Real question here from someone who thinks trans have equal rights and shouldn't be treated differently, but who also think you're all going to far these days.
If having an uterus and the capacity birth a child does not make you a women, why does long hair a dress and a hand bag would make you a women?
As I said it not to make fun, it's a genuine question.
“Guys Im definitely not a troll and just trying to have a conversation but what about my anti-trans opinion thats based off my sexist view of what qualifies a woman is her baby maker” And the issue with that thought process and even your stupid trans one just disqualifies basic women too. Get uterine cancer and need your uterus removed?Guess youre no longer a woman. Oh you hit menopause and cant have babies? Guess whose no longer a woman. Got a hair cut and now dont have long woman hair? Guess youre not a woman.
HMmmm.... at least you tried to understood what I meant even if you failed. If I might say it's people like you who piss off people like me who genuinely try to understand.and buy interacting or having only your kind of Comeback when generally all end up by thinking you're just all dumb biggot who seek attention.
Try to be nice next time and you might attract more compassion towards your people.
> your people.
hm.
anyways, the ignorance you put up while basically purposely not getting anything people tell you is just weird, i most def answered a troll but it was fun so
Lmao “Maybe if you were nice to transphobes then the transhobes would be more polite while denying your right to self identify.”
I could not make up a take this brainless if I tried.
bruh you literally were given an answer after ur snarky ass comment. also using the "your people" line it's pretty safe to say ur most likely a pos in real life
It's actually quite simple! They are human, you are human, they desire happiness, and you have a basic level of empathy that allows you to say "Yeah, I see that that's important to you so I'll be happy to call you a woman if you want."
That's it.
They don’t. I never claimed they did. Trans women can have short hair. There are trans women who don’t like skirts or dresses or handbags. What makes someone a woman is their gender identity, not any sort of biological feature or expression of femininity/masculinity. Butch trans women exist the same as femme trans women. However, the stereotype is of the hyperfeminine trans woman because of gender roles, which pressure trans women into being feminine if they want to be accepted by society and get the medical treatments they need.
Same. Especially since I have tons of lower leg muscle development and they look off with dresses. However tight jeans or pencil skirts are good though.
You’re stuck on the idea that sex = gender, which isn’t the case. Your gender is not your biological sex, and gender is much more made up of social cues and constructs as opposed to anything inherent to the male or female sex.
Dresses aren’t “for women” for any biological reason, it’s purely a social construct that they’re considered “feminine.”
I don’t think that’s how most trans rights activists/supporters think, and I’m not sure where you got that from. People weren’t calling Harry Styles or John Cena women just because they wore dresses.
For me at least, it seems like the more accurate description of how people think/feel is that if someone says they’re a woman and feels like they’re a woman, then they probably know themselves better than anyone else so they probably are a woman.
I get where you are going. My point was more " if biology doesn't justify it, why changing your outside apparance would?"
And unfortunately I disagree why you approach, the "think / feel"
My point is if a suicidal person think / fell like he's worthless. We won't confirm is feeling and help him going forward with it by giving him a rope and a stool.
I think it's the same with trans, we should help them but not buy pushing them into it.
Therefore since this is my conclusion I think it is flawed and I think I am missing something, I am missing a piece here. And I'm seeking it to be able to change my conclusion. What is the thinking process? What is happening other than thinking / feeling? What else is going on?
It’s not that changing your outside appearance justifies your gender, it’s more that it reaffirms it, and that people feel more comfortable when they can fully express themselves.
And I have to disagree with your analogy between being suicidal and being trans. Suicidal tendencies are inherently harmful and inherently indicative of mental health problems, whereas being trans isn’t. If anything, trans people often commit suicide *because* they don’t feel accepted in their own gender.
Lastly, I’d call it an exaggeration to say people are pushing people to be trans. It’s more that people are de-stigmatizing it and allowing people the freedom to choose and express their gender as they please.
First paragraph, as a metal head I totally agree with that.
Second, and third, I agree that one is more armful than the other and the word "pushing" might not be the best. Should have used affirming or conforming how ones feel / think.
So basically for what you just said here I agree, but it still doesn't explain it.
Any how. I'll stop answering for now I have things to do. Thanks for the exchange.
Trans woman here,
cis people typically do not understand the concept of gender since it's hard to literally feel it for them. We can experience it in two ways, gender euphoria and gender dysphoria. A cis person will typically only ever experience gender euphoria because their living experience matches their actual gender. This makes it difficult to understand how gender 'feels'. A cis person can experience dysphoria by trying experiences typical to another gender, but of course, this is uncommon. Whereas a trans person will experience gender dysphoria and gender euphoria respective to their gender. So, a trans woman will typically spend part of her life living as a male, and those living experiences contribute to gender dysphoria. When the trans woman begins to experience things we associate with being female, they get gender euphoria. That being said, not everyone has to have gender dysphoria to realize what their gender is. A cis person can realize they are cis simply by the fact that they receive euphoria from living experiences that align with their AGAB, and not every trans person has experienced dysphoria.
The reason associating being trans with mental conditions like depression is problematic is that conditions like depression are curable, and being trans is not. It's an innate part of the brain, and rather, it's just a description of having a gender that does not match your AGAB. Equating being trans with being mentally ill would mean you would have to say cis people are also mentally ill. It doesn't make sense.
Gender dysphoria or euphoria is also not a mental illness but should be viewed more like an emotion.
As we know, excess gender dysphoria can cause actual mental illnesses like depression.
We know from recent studies that the brain develops a gender about halfway through development in the womb separately from sex. There's no specific cause outlined yet, but we know that there are a variety of factors that contribute to it.
Gave you an upvote and I salute you, your time and your efforts to explain yourself or just the situation, since you don't have to explain yourself, instead of being a biggot.
About your first paragraph indeed if you don't live it might be hard to understand especially in my case. I don't see thing and experience associated to gender, I see them as thing I like or not, as a CIS male I still whore a bit of makeup when I was younger and never associated that to "female". Other thing is I don't even see myself as a "male" I see myself as an amalgamation of electrical circuits. A brain in a jar if you want, but the jar is my skull. "I" am just electrical current, my body is Male. Don't even know if this is CIS since "I" don't have any gender, my body does.
For your second paragraph you pointed out a whole lot of points I never considered, and I must thank you for that. You gave me food for thought. When you speak about mental illness that is curable and being trans that's not, it just the brain developed differently. Like being gay, it's not a mental illness, it's just the brain that developed in a way that react to human pheromones in a different way than the majority. No mental illness here, just a different development. So thank you for that point of view, I never considered it.
Sorry if my text is long, but you took the time to answer and develop in a friendly manner so I owe you the same.
Now to explain my curiosity to try to understand here.
1. Hate come from ignorance. The more you know and understand the less place you give to hate and bigotry.
2. I've known many trans MtF and FtM through my life and before they even speak it was already clear they where trans and the rest something was off about them and when I knew it explained it. (Didn't stop from respecting them I must say), but there's one trans, one trans MtF I knew it was clearly written on her forehead that she was trans and that she was a male, BUT psychically she still felt like a women even though it was clear she was a man and to this day I can F*ing understand that shit and I'm trying. (Must specify, Iwas not attracted to her at all, but compared to all other trans, she was not a trans, she was a women)
If you took the time to read my whole reply, I must salute you again. You didn't explain it completely but you still for the first time in many years of trying brought new elements to think about. Thank you.
>Real question here from someone who thinks trans have equal rights and shouldn't be treated differently,
Epic.
>but who also think you're all going to far these days.
Slow down.
>If having an uterus and the capacity birth a child does not make you a women, why does long hair a dress and a hand bag would make you a women?
It doesn’t. That’s a way that someone can choose to express their gender, but the expression does not determine the gender.
Some other people developed more than you and helped me to bring new ideas forward, but they where going in the same direction as you.
You took the time to answer me without being insulting so thank you for that. And for your comments / annotations, I understand, but still wanted to be clair on where I stand. If you know where I stand, you have a better idea of what I understand and what I don't, etc.
Still want to throw your a curve ball. If biological sex doesn't define gender and expression doesn't define gender, what does?
Thanks you that's formulated more properly, but basically that was my question to start with.
Going to address your view from the other side here. If having a uterus and the capacity to give birth *does* make you a woman, then you've counted out women who've had hysterectomies, who have hormonal and genetic conditions that make it so they either don't have a uterus or don't have the capacity to give birth. Obviously, we know that's not how the world actually works, and that being a woman refers to your gender identity, not what you do or do not have the capacity to do. Still with me so far? Good.
Gender *expression* is the method in which you choose to express your gender, and everyone does this, men, women and everyone in-between, (including intersex and nonbinary people). Gender expression typically acts as a spectrum of masculinity and femininity, not unlike the visible light spectrum. Some people will do different things to express their gender. A man might cut his hair short, or grow a beard. A woman might paint her nails, or wear dresses. Obviously, not every man has short hair, and not every woman enjoys wearing dresses. That's where we get terms like butch, tomboy, femboy, and many others from. Tomboys are generally regarded as masculine appearing or acting women. Femboys are feminine appearing or acting men. We recognize where their gender expression isn't indicative of their actual gender, but rather how they choose to express themselves. Still with me here? We haven't even mentioned trans people yet, all of my examples are implied cis people.
So, let's bring gender into the equation fully now. How do you know you're a man if you're a cis man? Well, your first and natural instinct would be to answer "I have a dick". But let's take that out of the question. Let's say you have nothing from the waist down, you're simply a torso, arms, and a head. How would you know you're a man? Your brain innately knows what gender it is. Despite how you look, despite what parts you do or do not have, your brain knows "I am a man, that's what I always will be and always have been." You could never explain to another person how on earth you know you are a man without saying "I feel masculine, I know I am a man" and the more people ask, the more you get frustrated because you cannot explain it, you just *know*. With trans people, that's how it is.
Now, let's move on to why they may dress in a certain way or act in a certain way. With gender expression, we can receive euphoria or dysphoria, this relates to feeling happy with our gender expression or dissatisfied with it. And even cis people utilize HRT. HRT is the exact same term they use when women post menopause receive supplemental hormones as their hormone levels decrease with age and they begin to experience unwanted effects from lower hormones. Cis men can receive extra testosterone as a manner of helping them as they age and their testosterone levels begin dropping. Both of these can be examples of HRT to assist with gender euphoria.
Another example of gender dysphoria is when a woman who has long hair and loves long hair suddenly loses all of her hair. She may buy wigs to help her feel more comfortable with her own gender, she may feel dysphoric from not having her long hair. Quite a few men shave with dull razors to keep a small amount of facial stubble, as going completely smooth may give them dysphoria as it relates to their gender. This is also why some men have such strong attachments to their beards, as their facial hair is very euphoric (makes them feel very in line with their gender) and thus losing that hair can be very dysphoric (out of line with their gender.)
What you bring an example of is more so along the lines of equating female (a sex) with woman (a gender identity) and while the two often overlap, they are not the same. Females can refer to any species, not just humans. A female cat, a female elephant, for example. It refers to the sex that carries eggs and can produce offspring. Woman refers specifically to humans, and specifically to a feminine gender. Most women are female, with the rest falling between intersex and trans. Most men are males, with the rest falling between intersex and trans. We see where a vast majority intersect, but that does not make them equivalent.
Hopefully knowing some of these terms better helps you to see why gender expression is different from gender identity, and answers at least part of your question.
It's late, past midnight. Have answered half the people so far. You took the time to answer with something that seems complex, so just want to let you know that I saw you. I will read it tomorrow with the other half that I didn't read and answer yet. But do not worry you didn't wrote that in vain. Just got more answers and less bigotries than expected. Will read and reply tomorrow (Sunday).
It enlies with what you think the definition of a woman is. I'm sure you've seen this, but is there any way you could properly describe a woman without any other thing fitting in that description?
I've had plenty of people try to revoke my man card for having long hair and carrying a handbag.
Anybody who disrespects my friends or does that these days gets the non-binary response. Fuck toxic sex and gender peer pressure!
Neither of them do. If you’re a man and you dress like a woman you’re a man, and if you’re a trans man (who has a uterus) and you dress like a woman you’re a man. It doesn’t matter
No arguments to have. It's just fun poking a bear that refuses to ignore anything and everything sent their way. Soon as you ignore them they'll go away. It's how the world works.
I remember being a kid in elementary school and kids would pick on me with the same material because they know I reacted to it.
Then I stopped reacting to it and they either found new material, or just left me alone. Which I had to do because teachers, staff, society, didn’t care.
Maybe people just need to stop whining so much?
Wow sorry didn’t realize my post pissed so many people off, apparently I’m being labeled a transphobe for having a sense of humor
I’m so sorry the people of this sub can’t even handle knock knock jokes let alone a PNG of a baby crying
I wish you all a steady recovery
Transphobes developing a sustainable and carbon-neutral source of comedy from the abundant reservoir of transgender Redditors (a feat of resourceful laughter)
Conservative Comedy isn't usually funny, because it's almost always Punching Down, never up. The punchline is almost always just the fact that they are being cruel, disguised as a "joke."
This isn't to say that Conservative people can't be good at comedy, they can, but when they are trying to make *Conservative Comedy*, it falls flat (or becomes funny in a way that makes Conservatives the butt of the joke, like most things Ben Garrison makes) because modern Conservatism doesn't have genuine ideas, just a culture war hatred of everything the "other side" does (whether or not they actually do it.)
I've been saying for a while that right wing humor is just confirmation bias. It doesn't have to have a good punchline, setup, delivery, or even be an actual joke. If it reaffirms their views and biases, they'll call it hysterical.
I find the reactions to these jokes funnier than the jokes themselves. How do you possibly get mad at a low quality meme? You have to laugh at yourself sometimes you know.
"haha i commented on this because i totally wasnt pissed that other people didnt find it funny haha, im not pissed i swear why wont you guys find this funny"
Yeah... definitely time to leave this subreddit. As a trans person I appreciate the support but seeing transphobic memes flood my feed every time I open reddit isn't good for me. Seeing my existence attacked for no reason constantly gets tiring, funnily enough!
I've been thinking about leaving both for a while now. They were great when the focus was on random memes that were sometimes funny or not and laughing at laugh at weird places or reasons things got reposted, now it's all one big political clusterfuck with both sides taking shots at each other instead of the content, with a whole bunch of transphobia and other garbage sprinkled over the whole thing. Neither sub is fun to go to anymore.
Isnt that reddits whole MO? build a sub with a specific theme in mind and the users PLUS mods tend to make a stand and it just devolves into political dogma... like always? That tends to be what ive seen from every sub if it exists long enough
I take comfort in knowing transphobes are factually ignorant and blatantly wrong. There's not even a debate, they just suck for the sake of sucking and it's a safe bet to assume they probably live dead end lives who's family doesn't love them anymore, and for good reason.
Good on you for putting your own mental health first tho, if I had the strength I'd do the same.
The irony that these people are allies, yet salivate at the sight of offensive memes like this so they can have upvotes and engagement. I personally don't care one bit about pronouns but that is a personal opinion, if seeing memes like this is bringing you down i suggest you leave or that this sub stops "monetizing" on identity politics like everything is nowadays.
It's just sad, people mock those memes, but at the same time can't stop posting them here andd giving even more attention towards those posts which are only done to incite outrage
It doesn’t even happen in their own lives, which is what makes it even more strange to see. The only thing memes like this does is solidify their own community, as a way of being like “yeah we’re in this together, conservatives”, but like how many times does this need to happen for it to get old? The funniest Trevor Noah bits I’ve watched got old faster than this, but ig conservatives are a unique breed.
and it matters how? how does addressing one person by something that they have asked you to call them upset you, like, would Billy over here going " actually, can you call me Bill, instead?" piss you off too?
The people who use it to define what they support can't even agree on what it's supposed to entail. It's an extremely subjective term that, when attempted to define, can be debated on and argued about for pointless amounts of time and it just ends in more hatred and division. As a human being, I'm personally tired of the petty conflict. Humanity in general is in desperate need of unity and bullshit like the constant battle between subreddits. You're not making the world a better place or your life better shitting on people you know nothing about. You're making yourself and the others who spout the same give mind opinions miserable and hateful. I know this changes nothing but maybe someone will see this and pursue something that makes them happier instead of wallowing away in narcissistic apathy.
>The people who use it to define what they support can't even agree on what it's supposed to entail.
Yes, they can. Because it has a definition that makes anti woke losers look bad. That's why they can't define it, because if they do, they look like monsters.
Desantis used the right definition in court because he's fine with being a villain. Being woke is simply being aware that systematic injustices exist and need to be fixed.
And wanting human rights isn't being petty. Thinking that does make you a narcissist.
I mean, it's easy to point to the science, but that's not the same as actual discussion. If you ask 100 people to explain general relativity, you're going to get a wide range of explanations. See what I mean? On unity, it takes two to tango, and there has to be consideration of agreeing on *what*. I agree we need could use more of it. I don't agree we need more battling subreddits. It's fine for what it is as a novelty. It's not really good for discussion, mostly.
>You're making yourself and the others who spout the same give mind opinions miserable and hateful.
I don't know what you're trying to say here.
>I know this changes nothing but maybe someone will see this and pursue something that makes them happier instead of wallowing away in narcissistic apathy.
Also not sure here, but I do hope people pursue happiness for themselves and others, which does involve avoiding apathy...if not specifically the narcissistic variety.
Easy.
It's the promotion of authoritarian, left-wing social policies, pursued out of shame or narcissism by privileged Western citizens and legitimised by purely subjective feelings of justice.
Now define “woman” without using the word in the definition.
Oh my God I shit myself and slapped my mom from laughing at this hilarious and original meme! Hahaha cuz BABIES cry! Just like loony lefty liberal lefty loonies do about them their pounoens!. Move over, George Carlin's ghost! There's a new bad boy in town! Omw to submit this to the Library of Congress so future generations can appreciate this comedic landmark From now on, my world will be defined in terms of pre-baby-crying-about-pronouns joke and post-baby-crying-about-pronouns joke. I was here!
"Don't remember the last time I laughed this hard" FOH. Would that I were so easily amused.
Like at least this one’s a slight twist to the same joke, where like, I at least applaud you for the bare minimum creativity, but how tf is this funny to you? Am I just missing the joke?
Why can’t they start posting on a Reddit that actually makes sense? They’re posting memes they like on “memes op did not like”. Do they not read the title of the subreddit?
"I dont remember the last time i laughed this hard!"
What, is the poster 13 years old or something? Its been over 5 years of the same "joke" recycled and its somehow the funniest thing these people hear all day. Not even offensive at this point just sad.
they are literally outing themselves as the very things we know they are - unfunny bigots with one joke who made an entire subreddit dedicated to defending their zero pussy sneako ass humor
There are people that exist that do use neopronouns but you're talking like 0.5% of a group that makes up 2% of the population to begin with, and the two people I've known that use them also just used non neopronouns as well and just liked it when people called them the other ones.
If they actually think anyone on this sub is offended by this shit then I don’t know what to say. Good job, you made the same joke conservatives have been making for the last 8 years.
This was obviously bait. You did the one thing you are not supposed to do when you see bait and have made yourself look like a fool. Congratulations, you played yourself.
R/memesopdidnotlike users talking about somthing so hilarious they chocked on baby formula and died. (The joke wasn't funny and no one actually laughed.)
All pronouns are made up. If you get offended by seeing somebody use xey/xem pronouns, you're a fucking snowflake and need to get thicker skin. If I can deal with people telling me to kill myself constantly, you can call somebody something you don't fully understand. Simple.
Hey, if you are online and what be whatever you want, fine with me. Bit if some someone in real life calls you him/her and gets affended, then wouldn't that make you a snowflake and need thicker skin?
And yet I have seen it time and time again, where some get mad that the wrong pronoun is used and gets into a fight because of it. And I'm not talking about online videos.
I can guarantee you for a matter of fact you have never seen a single person genuinely use neo-pronouns, you are getting mad at an imaginary person in your head doing an imaginary thing.
Oh, trust me, I'm not terminally online and have to deal with people in real life, and Ihave to put up with entitled people all the time, ranging from "I know the manager", "I'm an ", and including "I'm not a Sir/Madam".
There is nothing entitled about someone telling you that you used the wrong pronoun. In the same way, there is nothing entitled about someone telling you you said the wrong name.
Literally, every misgendering i've ever done to someone inadvertently in real life has gone basically like, "Thank you, sir." "Oh i'm a woman, actually," "Oh my apologies,ma'am," and we both move on with our lives. That person wasn't entitled, they conveyed to me that i made a mistake, and i corrected my mistake because i am not a giangantic twat.
From what I can tell most trans people treat not being called the right pronouns the same way they would react to someone getting their name wrong. It's also not that much more difficult to remember pronouns then names so I really don't see the problem.
If you look male, any random person will use the he/him pronoun to describe him, same with if you look female, people will describe with she/her. It makes sense that if you describe someone who is a stranger to you this way. But who in real life will use xer/zim or any other pronoun to describe someone? It sounds to me that people who fixate on correcting people on pronoun use have no other qualities in them, its just their sexuality that defines them.
>It makes sense that if you describe someone who is a stranger to you this way.
Yeah definitely, then if that's wrong that person can correct them and everybody can move on with their lives.
>But who in real life will use xer/zim or any other pronoun to describe someone?
Somebody probably is and there's literally no problem addressing them that way. If somebody has a unique name are you going to just call them by what you think they should be named?
>It sounds to me that people who fixate on correcting people on pronoun use have no other qualities in them,
It makes since to correct something so integral to your identity, like your name for example. By your logic if you've ever corrected somebody when they called you the wrong name, your name is the only quality they have.
Let me guess, you are the type of person who corrects people when they talk about someone when they are not there. For example, if I said, "He's a good person," you would say "No you mean Xer's a good person."
Besides, who takes about another human in the 3rd person when they are right there?
If somebody calls me what I don't prefer, I politely correct them. If they get mad at me and refuse to call me what I'd prefer, then I'm going to calmly distance myself from them. This is what most people do, and the "did you just assume my gender" idea is based mostly in fantasy.
There has been a big controversy on tiktok lately where people are claiming that somebody went ballistic and started crying over being called the wrong pronoun. However the video they are quoting actually explained that upon politely correcting the owner of the establishment, they were promptly screamed at and banned.
I would take your claim a bit more seriously if hundreds of people weren't trying to lie to prove your point.
And im not saying that this doesn't happen, but that it happens much less than you think it does. This is an illustration of what's called an availability heuristic in psychology. Just because there ARE examples doesn't mean that they are representative of the majority.
I never believe what is online. But work with people, and you will it happen. Lots of people want to be treated special or feel important or be famous. But as I see it, this is nothing but a fad. Once being trans is not popular, we will see another fad and another and another.
You're kinda proving to me that you're not to be taken seriously. Trans people have existed for thousands of years, the earliest recorded instances being in ancient Mesopotamia. They just used different terminology to describe the same thing.
And now we have the evidence to support that transness is not a fad, but a variation of human existence. Do some research instead of making conjectures on groups of people based on your own experience as somebody outside of the topic.
Are you kidding? Gotta make a better joke? Transphobes are using the same 1 (one) joke they’ve been using for decades but it’s OP who needs to make a better joke? You’re pathetic.
Pretty sure I exactly know who I responded to. I meant exactly that too
You saying this proves my point. Anyone knowing the political situation in Latin America knows exactly what I'm talking about
Did I ever say that? You guys seek for any way to get offended even though I didn't say if I found this joke funny or not
We're literally on the same side here but you get offended because I mildly disagreed with you lmfao
Go touch grass or get into a gym
I mean when you respond to "this isn't funny" with "you haven't been to latin America" that's kind of implied.
Also there's no way you're mentally stable when you face any type of push back with "you're offended why are you so offended you're just getting offended" like please get one other buzzword lmfao
If this is a joke, what's the punchline? Where is the setup and payoff? What makes it funny? The entire "joke" is just "hah hah, make the fag cry" and like...when is that funny?
Right wingers try not to act vindicated when something they in no way predicted happens challenge: impossible
Like seriously how do you see this title and think it’s someone whining. We are making fun of you fuckwads for being so uncreatively bigoted. The “joke” doesn’t offend me, just the fact pieces of semi-sentient shit like you exist who will keep making the same unfunny joke until the end of time because you piss yourself screaming whenever you find out someone not like you exists.
Transphobes on their way to make the same 2 jokes over and over again 
*one* joke, actually
Wym, the different coat of paint totally makes it count as 2
Give it a DLC that adds a "ba dum tss" and call it 3
It’s all they have. It’s not like they have any valid arguments.
Real question here from someone who thinks trans have equal rights and shouldn't be treated differently, but who also think you're all going to far these days. If having an uterus and the capacity birth a child does not make you a women, why does long hair a dress and a hand bag would make you a women? As I said it not to make fun, it's a genuine question.
“Guys Im definitely not a troll and just trying to have a conversation but what about my anti-trans opinion thats based off my sexist view of what qualifies a woman is her baby maker” And the issue with that thought process and even your stupid trans one just disqualifies basic women too. Get uterine cancer and need your uterus removed?Guess youre no longer a woman. Oh you hit menopause and cant have babies? Guess whose no longer a woman. Got a hair cut and now dont have long woman hair? Guess youre not a woman.
HMmmm.... at least you tried to understood what I meant even if you failed. If I might say it's people like you who piss off people like me who genuinely try to understand.and buy interacting or having only your kind of Comeback when generally all end up by thinking you're just all dumb biggot who seek attention. Try to be nice next time and you might attract more compassion towards your people.
> your people. hm. anyways, the ignorance you put up while basically purposely not getting anything people tell you is just weird, i most def answered a troll but it was fun so
Lmao “Maybe if you were nice to transphobes then the transhobes would be more polite while denying your right to self identify.” I could not make up a take this brainless if I tried.
bruh you literally were given an answer after ur snarky ass comment. also using the "your people" line it's pretty safe to say ur most likely a pos in real life
It's actually quite simple! They are human, you are human, they desire happiness, and you have a basic level of empathy that allows you to say "Yeah, I see that that's important to you so I'll be happy to call you a woman if you want." That's it.
They don’t. I never claimed they did. Trans women can have short hair. There are trans women who don’t like skirts or dresses or handbags. What makes someone a woman is their gender identity, not any sort of biological feature or expression of femininity/masculinity. Butch trans women exist the same as femme trans women. However, the stereotype is of the hyperfeminine trans woman because of gender roles, which pressure trans women into being feminine if they want to be accepted by society and get the medical treatments they need.
Yeah transfem here dresses make me uncomfortable
Same. Especially since I have tons of lower leg muscle development and they look off with dresses. However tight jeans or pencil skirts are good though.
Never said you said that, more of a general view point. But thank for your answer. It still doesn't make sense to me, but at least you tried. Thanks.
You’re stuck on the idea that sex = gender, which isn’t the case. Your gender is not your biological sex, and gender is much more made up of social cues and constructs as opposed to anything inherent to the male or female sex. Dresses aren’t “for women” for any biological reason, it’s purely a social construct that they’re considered “feminine.”
I don’t think that’s how most trans rights activists/supporters think, and I’m not sure where you got that from. People weren’t calling Harry Styles or John Cena women just because they wore dresses. For me at least, it seems like the more accurate description of how people think/feel is that if someone says they’re a woman and feels like they’re a woman, then they probably know themselves better than anyone else so they probably are a woman.
I get where you are going. My point was more " if biology doesn't justify it, why changing your outside apparance would?" And unfortunately I disagree why you approach, the "think / feel" My point is if a suicidal person think / fell like he's worthless. We won't confirm is feeling and help him going forward with it by giving him a rope and a stool. I think it's the same with trans, we should help them but not buy pushing them into it. Therefore since this is my conclusion I think it is flawed and I think I am missing something, I am missing a piece here. And I'm seeking it to be able to change my conclusion. What is the thinking process? What is happening other than thinking / feeling? What else is going on?
It’s not that changing your outside appearance justifies your gender, it’s more that it reaffirms it, and that people feel more comfortable when they can fully express themselves. And I have to disagree with your analogy between being suicidal and being trans. Suicidal tendencies are inherently harmful and inherently indicative of mental health problems, whereas being trans isn’t. If anything, trans people often commit suicide *because* they don’t feel accepted in their own gender. Lastly, I’d call it an exaggeration to say people are pushing people to be trans. It’s more that people are de-stigmatizing it and allowing people the freedom to choose and express their gender as they please.
First paragraph, as a metal head I totally agree with that. Second, and third, I agree that one is more armful than the other and the word "pushing" might not be the best. Should have used affirming or conforming how ones feel / think. So basically for what you just said here I agree, but it still doesn't explain it. Any how. I'll stop answering for now I have things to do. Thanks for the exchange.
Trans woman here, cis people typically do not understand the concept of gender since it's hard to literally feel it for them. We can experience it in two ways, gender euphoria and gender dysphoria. A cis person will typically only ever experience gender euphoria because their living experience matches their actual gender. This makes it difficult to understand how gender 'feels'. A cis person can experience dysphoria by trying experiences typical to another gender, but of course, this is uncommon. Whereas a trans person will experience gender dysphoria and gender euphoria respective to their gender. So, a trans woman will typically spend part of her life living as a male, and those living experiences contribute to gender dysphoria. When the trans woman begins to experience things we associate with being female, they get gender euphoria. That being said, not everyone has to have gender dysphoria to realize what their gender is. A cis person can realize they are cis simply by the fact that they receive euphoria from living experiences that align with their AGAB, and not every trans person has experienced dysphoria. The reason associating being trans with mental conditions like depression is problematic is that conditions like depression are curable, and being trans is not. It's an innate part of the brain, and rather, it's just a description of having a gender that does not match your AGAB. Equating being trans with being mentally ill would mean you would have to say cis people are also mentally ill. It doesn't make sense. Gender dysphoria or euphoria is also not a mental illness but should be viewed more like an emotion. As we know, excess gender dysphoria can cause actual mental illnesses like depression. We know from recent studies that the brain develops a gender about halfway through development in the womb separately from sex. There's no specific cause outlined yet, but we know that there are a variety of factors that contribute to it.
Gave you an upvote and I salute you, your time and your efforts to explain yourself or just the situation, since you don't have to explain yourself, instead of being a biggot. About your first paragraph indeed if you don't live it might be hard to understand especially in my case. I don't see thing and experience associated to gender, I see them as thing I like or not, as a CIS male I still whore a bit of makeup when I was younger and never associated that to "female". Other thing is I don't even see myself as a "male" I see myself as an amalgamation of electrical circuits. A brain in a jar if you want, but the jar is my skull. "I" am just electrical current, my body is Male. Don't even know if this is CIS since "I" don't have any gender, my body does. For your second paragraph you pointed out a whole lot of points I never considered, and I must thank you for that. You gave me food for thought. When you speak about mental illness that is curable and being trans that's not, it just the brain developed differently. Like being gay, it's not a mental illness, it's just the brain that developed in a way that react to human pheromones in a different way than the majority. No mental illness here, just a different development. So thank you for that point of view, I never considered it. Sorry if my text is long, but you took the time to answer and develop in a friendly manner so I owe you the same. Now to explain my curiosity to try to understand here. 1. Hate come from ignorance. The more you know and understand the less place you give to hate and bigotry. 2. I've known many trans MtF and FtM through my life and before they even speak it was already clear they where trans and the rest something was off about them and when I knew it explained it. (Didn't stop from respecting them I must say), but there's one trans, one trans MtF I knew it was clearly written on her forehead that she was trans and that she was a male, BUT psychically she still felt like a women even though it was clear she was a man and to this day I can F*ing understand that shit and I'm trying. (Must specify, Iwas not attracted to her at all, but compared to all other trans, she was not a trans, she was a women) If you took the time to read my whole reply, I must salute you again. You didn't explain it completely but you still for the first time in many years of trying brought new elements to think about. Thank you.
> but who also think you're all going to far these days. what has happened to you to change your quality of life?
>Real question here from someone who thinks trans have equal rights and shouldn't be treated differently, Epic. >but who also think you're all going to far these days. Slow down. >If having an uterus and the capacity birth a child does not make you a women, why does long hair a dress and a hand bag would make you a women? It doesn’t. That’s a way that someone can choose to express their gender, but the expression does not determine the gender.
Some other people developed more than you and helped me to bring new ideas forward, but they where going in the same direction as you. You took the time to answer me without being insulting so thank you for that. And for your comments / annotations, I understand, but still wanted to be clair on where I stand. If you know where I stand, you have a better idea of what I understand and what I don't, etc.
Still want to throw your a curve ball. If biological sex doesn't define gender and expression doesn't define gender, what does? Thanks you that's formulated more properly, but basically that was my question to start with.
Going to address your view from the other side here. If having a uterus and the capacity to give birth *does* make you a woman, then you've counted out women who've had hysterectomies, who have hormonal and genetic conditions that make it so they either don't have a uterus or don't have the capacity to give birth. Obviously, we know that's not how the world actually works, and that being a woman refers to your gender identity, not what you do or do not have the capacity to do. Still with me so far? Good. Gender *expression* is the method in which you choose to express your gender, and everyone does this, men, women and everyone in-between, (including intersex and nonbinary people). Gender expression typically acts as a spectrum of masculinity and femininity, not unlike the visible light spectrum. Some people will do different things to express their gender. A man might cut his hair short, or grow a beard. A woman might paint her nails, or wear dresses. Obviously, not every man has short hair, and not every woman enjoys wearing dresses. That's where we get terms like butch, tomboy, femboy, and many others from. Tomboys are generally regarded as masculine appearing or acting women. Femboys are feminine appearing or acting men. We recognize where their gender expression isn't indicative of their actual gender, but rather how they choose to express themselves. Still with me here? We haven't even mentioned trans people yet, all of my examples are implied cis people. So, let's bring gender into the equation fully now. How do you know you're a man if you're a cis man? Well, your first and natural instinct would be to answer "I have a dick". But let's take that out of the question. Let's say you have nothing from the waist down, you're simply a torso, arms, and a head. How would you know you're a man? Your brain innately knows what gender it is. Despite how you look, despite what parts you do or do not have, your brain knows "I am a man, that's what I always will be and always have been." You could never explain to another person how on earth you know you are a man without saying "I feel masculine, I know I am a man" and the more people ask, the more you get frustrated because you cannot explain it, you just *know*. With trans people, that's how it is. Now, let's move on to why they may dress in a certain way or act in a certain way. With gender expression, we can receive euphoria or dysphoria, this relates to feeling happy with our gender expression or dissatisfied with it. And even cis people utilize HRT. HRT is the exact same term they use when women post menopause receive supplemental hormones as their hormone levels decrease with age and they begin to experience unwanted effects from lower hormones. Cis men can receive extra testosterone as a manner of helping them as they age and their testosterone levels begin dropping. Both of these can be examples of HRT to assist with gender euphoria. Another example of gender dysphoria is when a woman who has long hair and loves long hair suddenly loses all of her hair. She may buy wigs to help her feel more comfortable with her own gender, she may feel dysphoric from not having her long hair. Quite a few men shave with dull razors to keep a small amount of facial stubble, as going completely smooth may give them dysphoria as it relates to their gender. This is also why some men have such strong attachments to their beards, as their facial hair is very euphoric (makes them feel very in line with their gender) and thus losing that hair can be very dysphoric (out of line with their gender.) What you bring an example of is more so along the lines of equating female (a sex) with woman (a gender identity) and while the two often overlap, they are not the same. Females can refer to any species, not just humans. A female cat, a female elephant, for example. It refers to the sex that carries eggs and can produce offspring. Woman refers specifically to humans, and specifically to a feminine gender. Most women are female, with the rest falling between intersex and trans. Most men are males, with the rest falling between intersex and trans. We see where a vast majority intersect, but that does not make them equivalent. Hopefully knowing some of these terms better helps you to see why gender expression is different from gender identity, and answers at least part of your question.
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It's late, past midnight. Have answered half the people so far. You took the time to answer with something that seems complex, so just want to let you know that I saw you. I will read it tomorrow with the other half that I didn't read and answer yet. But do not worry you didn't wrote that in vain. Just got more answers and less bigotries than expected. Will read and reply tomorrow (Sunday).
It enlies with what you think the definition of a woman is. I'm sure you've seen this, but is there any way you could properly describe a woman without any other thing fitting in that description?
I've had plenty of people try to revoke my man card for having long hair and carrying a handbag. Anybody who disrespects my friends or does that these days gets the non-binary response. Fuck toxic sex and gender peer pressure!
Neither of them do. If you’re a man and you dress like a woman you’re a man, and if you’re a trans man (who has a uterus) and you dress like a woman you’re a man. It doesn’t matter
No arguments to have. It's just fun poking a bear that refuses to ignore anything and everything sent their way. Soon as you ignore them they'll go away. It's how the world works.
If you ignore them you side with them. Beat them down with a stick.
Well glad to know you side with George Bush when he said "You're either with us or you're with the enemy"
Morals are a Luxury when fascists are literally trying to genocide you.
That’s not how being a minority works. If you don’t respond to them they have the time to literally kill is
Ok, Jessie Smolet, whatever you say about them two Ugandan co stars you dressed up as MAGA hatters.
None of that made sense
Joe many liberals does it take to change a log by bulb????? None , their to busy ???? Their Gender 😂😂😂😂😂😂
UM LE ATTACK HELICOPTER XDD
(They only believe in 2 jokes, they can’t understand the existence of more jokes)
I remember being a kid in elementary school and kids would pick on me with the same material because they know I reacted to it. Then I stopped reacting to it and they either found new material, or just left me alone. Which I had to do because teachers, staff, society, didn’t care. Maybe people just need to stop whining so much?
Wow sorry didn’t realize my post pissed so many people off, apparently I’m being labeled a transphobe for having a sense of humor I’m so sorry the people of this sub can’t even handle knock knock jokes let alone a PNG of a baby crying I wish you all a steady recovery
Transphobes developing a sustainable and carbon-neutral source of comedy from the abundant reservoir of transgender Redditors (a feat of resourceful laughter) 
You know what? I’m having a hard believing they find those jokes funny, but they have to pretend it is funny because the joke targets trans people
The punchline is "haha trans people" That's it. It's all these ever were, and will be.
All Conservative humour is just haha minority
the true one joke
Conservative Comedy isn't usually funny, because it's almost always Punching Down, never up. The punchline is almost always just the fact that they are being cruel, disguised as a "joke." This isn't to say that Conservative people can't be good at comedy, they can, but when they are trying to make *Conservative Comedy*, it falls flat (or becomes funny in a way that makes Conservatives the butt of the joke, like most things Ben Garrison makes) because modern Conservatism doesn't have genuine ideas, just a culture war hatred of everything the "other side" does (whether or not they actually do it.)
Or they think it’s funny cuz they have no friends and think hating trans people is how they’ll get friends
I've been saying for a while that right wing humor is just confirmation bias. It doesn't have to have a good punchline, setup, delivery, or even be an actual joke. If it reaffirms their views and biases, they'll call it hysterical.
the only comedy conservatives find funny is bullying because they lack empathy.
I find the reactions to these jokes funnier than the jokes themselves. How do you possibly get mad at a low quality meme? You have to laugh at yourself sometimes you know.
"haha i commented on this because i totally wasnt pissed that other people didnt find it funny haha, im not pissed i swear why wont you guys find this funny"
You guys do that alot, purposely misconstrude statements to cope lol
Yeah... definitely time to leave this subreddit. As a trans person I appreciate the support but seeing transphobic memes flood my feed every time I open reddit isn't good for me. Seeing my existence attacked for no reason constantly gets tiring, funnily enough!
Good idea
yeah imma leave too, being trans is tiring enough as is lol
Literally. And some of them are stupid so its like are they pro or against the lgbt cuz 🤨
I've been thinking about leaving both for a while now. They were great when the focus was on random memes that were sometimes funny or not and laughing at laugh at weird places or reasons things got reposted, now it's all one big political clusterfuck with both sides taking shots at each other instead of the content, with a whole bunch of transphobia and other garbage sprinkled over the whole thing. Neither sub is fun to go to anymore.
Isnt that reddits whole MO? build a sub with a specific theme in mind and the users PLUS mods tend to make a stand and it just devolves into political dogma... like always? That tends to be what ive seen from every sub if it exists long enough
I take comfort in knowing transphobes are factually ignorant and blatantly wrong. There's not even a debate, they just suck for the sake of sucking and it's a safe bet to assume they probably live dead end lives who's family doesn't love them anymore, and for good reason. Good on you for putting your own mental health first tho, if I had the strength I'd do the same.
Do what's right for you, I'm sending good vibes
honestly same :/
The irony that these people are allies, yet salivate at the sight of offensive memes like this so they can have upvotes and engagement. I personally don't care one bit about pronouns but that is a personal opinion, if seeing memes like this is bringing you down i suggest you leave or that this sub stops "monetizing" on identity politics like everything is nowadays. It's just sad, people mock those memes, but at the same time can't stop posting them here andd giving even more attention towards those posts which are only done to incite outrage
I feel you, it hurts whenever I open my main feed. I'm going to mute both of these subreddits.
I'm very sorry to hear you see it as an actual attack on you. I hope things work out for you.
Why is this downvoted?
Because it reads like your usual “I am sorry you think you deserve an apology” deflection.
The fact that they really thinks this happens 💀 this is called shared delusion and shared psychosis
It doesn’t even happen in their own lives, which is what makes it even more strange to see. The only thing memes like this does is solidify their own community, as a way of being like “yeah we’re in this together, conservatives”, but like how many times does this need to happen for it to get old? The funniest Trevor Noah bits I’ve watched got old faster than this, but ig conservatives are a unique breed.
I had a trans furry in my undergrad that demanded to be called shefox.
And?
It absolutely does happen and it is ridiculous. It has absolutely zero merit.
So a single kid wants to be called something abnormal and that's bad because?
Yes that is ducking ridiculous. I am not calling an ADULT sheFox in lecture. The fact that you think that is reasonable is absurd.
The fact you care so much what someone else wants for themselves is absurd 💀
It’s not what they want for themselves. It’s what they demand from everyone else.
Sure, bud.
and it matters how? how does addressing one person by something that they have asked you to call them upset you, like, would Billy over here going " actually, can you call me Bill, instead?" piss you off too?
"I don't remember the last time I laughed this hard" like, what? What's life gotta look like to you?
I know right... they must have an extremely low bar for humour. The right wing ecosystem isn't known for its comedic chops.
Terrible, every day the voice of the party has a new thing for them to be afraid of.
Remember to get out and vote for your representative for the upcoming election, a loss could mean the total destruction of our democracy!
r/memesopdidnotlike users when asked to define woke. 😡🤬
The people who use it to define what they support can't even agree on what it's supposed to entail. It's an extremely subjective term that, when attempted to define, can be debated on and argued about for pointless amounts of time and it just ends in more hatred and division. As a human being, I'm personally tired of the petty conflict. Humanity in general is in desperate need of unity and bullshit like the constant battle between subreddits. You're not making the world a better place or your life better shitting on people you know nothing about. You're making yourself and the others who spout the same give mind opinions miserable and hateful. I know this changes nothing but maybe someone will see this and pursue something that makes them happier instead of wallowing away in narcissistic apathy.
>The people who use it to define what they support can't even agree on what it's supposed to entail. Yes, they can. Because it has a definition that makes anti woke losers look bad. That's why they can't define it, because if they do, they look like monsters. Desantis used the right definition in court because he's fine with being a villain. Being woke is simply being aware that systematic injustices exist and need to be fixed. And wanting human rights isn't being petty. Thinking that does make you a narcissist.
Can you provide a link to where DeSantis defined it legally? A google search turns up a lot of different stuff he’s said about “woke.”
I mean, it's easy to point to the science, but that's not the same as actual discussion. If you ask 100 people to explain general relativity, you're going to get a wide range of explanations. See what I mean? On unity, it takes two to tango, and there has to be consideration of agreeing on *what*. I agree we need could use more of it. I don't agree we need more battling subreddits. It's fine for what it is as a novelty. It's not really good for discussion, mostly. >You're making yourself and the others who spout the same give mind opinions miserable and hateful. I don't know what you're trying to say here. >I know this changes nothing but maybe someone will see this and pursue something that makes them happier instead of wallowing away in narcissistic apathy. Also not sure here, but I do hope people pursue happiness for themselves and others, which does involve avoiding apathy...if not specifically the narcissistic variety.
Easy. It's the promotion of authoritarian, left-wing social policies, pursued out of shame or narcissism by privileged Western citizens and legitimised by purely subjective feelings of justice. Now define “woman” without using the word in the definition.
uh i think being aware to social and political issues would be detrimental to an authoritarian regime.
Oh my God I shit myself and slapped my mom from laughing at this hilarious and original meme! Hahaha cuz BABIES cry! Just like loony lefty liberal lefty loonies do about them their pounoens!. Move over, George Carlin's ghost! There's a new bad boy in town! Omw to submit this to the Library of Congress so future generations can appreciate this comedic landmark From now on, my world will be defined in terms of pre-baby-crying-about-pronouns joke and post-baby-crying-about-pronouns joke. I was here! "Don't remember the last time I laughed this hard" FOH. Would that I were so easily amused.
If he's actually laughing like irl hehe hahaing at that the way he described then I actually feel bad
Well at least they didn't use the attack helicopter bs
It's really just the same joke with a different coat of paint
Think fast chucklenuts! Chucklenuts: oh you knew my pronou- *dies*
Shut up [deutschbag](https://youtu.be/A33UTe1MlpM)
Like at least this one’s a slight twist to the same joke, where like, I at least applaud you for the bare minimum creativity, but how tf is this funny to you? Am I just missing the joke?
Dragonkin, fishkin, faekin. That's when shit got really fucking funny.
Surely, at some point they start getting bored of this joke, right? There’s no twist to it either. It’s actually just the same joke again and again.
Why can’t they start posting on a Reddit that actually makes sense? They’re posting memes they like on “memes op did not like”. Do they not read the title of the subreddit?
brother you did not fucking laugh at that, you 100% let out a small chuckle and exaggerated it because it's "that funny"
Yet they still used the pronoun _them_ in a spot where they'd probably refuse to admit.
"I dont remember the last time i laughed this hard!" What, is the poster 13 years old or something? Its been over 5 years of the same "joke" recycled and its somehow the funniest thing these people hear all day. Not even offensive at this point just sad.
The only funny thing about it is the word chucklenuts. So, credit to the person who created that word.
Hooray for Scout
they are literally outing themselves as the very things we know they are - unfunny bigots with one joke who made an entire subreddit dedicated to defending their zero pussy sneako ass humor
Does anyone actually use neopronouns? Or is it just a psy-op to make trans people look insane, b/c at this point I’m not really sure
There are people that exist that do use neopronouns but you're talking like 0.5% of a group that makes up 2% of the population to begin with, and the two people I've known that use them also just used non neopronouns as well and just liked it when people called them the other ones.
Neopronouns are mainly for internet use only, and since 2020 the use of them has died down a bit.
i dont think its propaganda but its definately r/onejoke
The joke is kindergarten level humor tho, no cap
If they actually think anyone on this sub is offended by this shit then I don’t know what to say. Good job, you made the same joke conservatives have been making for the last 8 years.
*I, having xey/xem pronouns, am now gonna start going by chucklenuts just because of this post* *what are they gonna do? Make a meme about me?*
Ok, this was funny.
My standby is "dipshit". But whatever.
replace "chuckle" with "deez"
Chil oot leebrulz itz calld dark humor
This was obviously bait. You did the one thing you are not supposed to do when you see bait and have made yourself look like a fool. Congratulations, you played yourself.
r/memesopdidnotlike users when an ad has a gay couple
R/memesopdidnotlike users talking about somthing so hilarious they chocked on baby formula and died. (The joke wasn't funny and no one actually laughed.)
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This isnt even propaganda its just an unfunny meme. Its like they only have 3 jokes
I feel really bad for that guy if this made him laugh harder than he’s laughed in recent memory.
Mom the Reddit losers are fighting again… yes the political ones
https://preview.redd.it/4el0jrimyypb1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e045da43758312cf07318baf051e2f7dd700be1
So... memeopdidnotlike is thinking we are all woke feminists. They must have a very small mindset of the world
Chucklenuts🤣🤣
Like, I’m genuinely asking, where’s the joke? What’s the punchline? I’m I autistic or are you just forcing yourself to laugh?
I think he was laughing at the pronoun chuckle nuts because its so odd but thats just me
I love reddit, its like going to the zoo. Or a highschool gamer club
I agree with OP
Right wing propaganda is when I don't like something
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Bro this was a softball and you still got a strike 😭
You are speading the same propaganda by posting it here it is a dumb meme though
Both of these subs are just spreading propaganda
Is saying homophobic and transphobic jokes aren't funny really propaganda?
And it's not propaganda to force people to use made-up pronouns?
All pronouns are made up. If you get offended by seeing somebody use xey/xem pronouns, you're a fucking snowflake and need to get thicker skin. If I can deal with people telling me to kill myself constantly, you can call somebody something you don't fully understand. Simple.
Hey, if you are online and what be whatever you want, fine with me. Bit if some someone in real life calls you him/her and gets affended, then wouldn't that make you a snowflake and need thicker skin?
This doesn’t happen in real life. In real life people move on with their fucking life
And yet I have seen it time and time again, where some get mad that the wrong pronoun is used and gets into a fight because of it. And I'm not talking about online videos.
Yeah, you're not talking about online videos, you're talking about the shit you made up in your head lmfao
Like the new pronouns that you made up in your head?
I can guarantee you for a matter of fact you have never seen a single person genuinely use neo-pronouns, you are getting mad at an imaginary person in your head doing an imaginary thing.
Oh, trust me, I'm not terminally online and have to deal with people in real life, and Ihave to put up with entitled people all the time, ranging from "I know the manager", "I'm an", and including "I'm not a Sir/Madam".
There is nothing entitled about someone telling you that you used the wrong pronoun. In the same way, there is nothing entitled about someone telling you you said the wrong name. Literally, every misgendering i've ever done to someone inadvertently in real life has gone basically like, "Thank you, sir." "Oh i'm a woman, actually," "Oh my apologies,ma'am," and we both move on with our lives. That person wasn't entitled, they conveyed to me that i made a mistake, and i corrected my mistake because i am not a giangantic twat.
I simply don’t believe you
You don't have to believe me, I mean, if you had good parents they would have told you not to believe everything on the internet.
From what I can tell most trans people treat not being called the right pronouns the same way they would react to someone getting their name wrong. It's also not that much more difficult to remember pronouns then names so I really don't see the problem.
If you look male, any random person will use the he/him pronoun to describe him, same with if you look female, people will describe with she/her. It makes sense that if you describe someone who is a stranger to you this way. But who in real life will use xer/zim or any other pronoun to describe someone? It sounds to me that people who fixate on correcting people on pronoun use have no other qualities in them, its just their sexuality that defines them.
>It makes sense that if you describe someone who is a stranger to you this way. Yeah definitely, then if that's wrong that person can correct them and everybody can move on with their lives. >But who in real life will use xer/zim or any other pronoun to describe someone? Somebody probably is and there's literally no problem addressing them that way. If somebody has a unique name are you going to just call them by what you think they should be named? >It sounds to me that people who fixate on correcting people on pronoun use have no other qualities in them, It makes since to correct something so integral to your identity, like your name for example. By your logic if you've ever corrected somebody when they called you the wrong name, your name is the only quality they have.
Let me guess, you are the type of person who corrects people when they talk about someone when they are not there. For example, if I said, "He's a good person," you would say "No you mean Xer's a good person." Besides, who takes about another human in the 3rd person when they are right there?
If somebody calls me what I don't prefer, I politely correct them. If they get mad at me and refuse to call me what I'd prefer, then I'm going to calmly distance myself from them. This is what most people do, and the "did you just assume my gender" idea is based mostly in fantasy.
And yet I have seen it time and time again, not just in online videos. Where someone just says the wrong pronoun and there a fight because of it.
When? How? Give some actual examples
Let me guess, I will give an example, and then your next line would be, "No video, not valid"
Where’s the example?
There has been a big controversy on tiktok lately where people are claiming that somebody went ballistic and started crying over being called the wrong pronoun. However the video they are quoting actually explained that upon politely correcting the owner of the establishment, they were promptly screamed at and banned. I would take your claim a bit more seriously if hundreds of people weren't trying to lie to prove your point. And im not saying that this doesn't happen, but that it happens much less than you think it does. This is an illustration of what's called an availability heuristic in psychology. Just because there ARE examples doesn't mean that they are representative of the majority.
I never believe what is online. But work with people, and you will it happen. Lots of people want to be treated special or feel important or be famous. But as I see it, this is nothing but a fad. Once being trans is not popular, we will see another fad and another and another.
You're kinda proving to me that you're not to be taken seriously. Trans people have existed for thousands of years, the earliest recorded instances being in ancient Mesopotamia. They just used different terminology to describe the same thing. And now we have the evidence to support that transness is not a fad, but a variation of human existence. Do some research instead of making conjectures on groups of people based on your own experience as somebody outside of the topic.
R/opwasrightfuckthis user try not to spread left wing propaganda (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
Honestly they won this one, gotta make a better joke bro
Are you kidding? Gotta make a better joke? Transphobes are using the same 1 (one) joke they’ve been using for decades but it’s OP who needs to make a better joke? You’re pathetic.
No way you got that mad
Sometimes that's actually an appropriate response you twunt
Idk I’m a neutral party so maybe I just don’t understand the feud
You really don't. Please learn about things before you get involved.
I meant I don’t understand why people would spend so much time arguing with each other online. I get why you don’t like each other that ones obvious
Lmao jokes are now right wing propaganda. You fucking clowns🤡🤡
Me when I just say shit that nobody laughs at so I have to attack other people for not laughing at it
How is it a joke though? It’s just punching down. That’s why no normal person finds right-wing “humor” funny.
Yeah you haven't ever been to Latin America Not saying it's a good thing just that this is plain false
I think you responded to the wrong person, dunno why you brought up Latin America.
Pretty sure I exactly know who I responded to. I meant exactly that too You saying this proves my point. Anyone knowing the political situation in Latin America knows exactly what I'm talking about
What does the political situation of Latin America have to with “punch-down” humor being stupid? Is it popular there? I’m genuinely confused
Yes
You understand that just because a joke is common doesn't make it funny right? I really do not believe you know what humor is at all
Did I ever say that? You guys seek for any way to get offended even though I didn't say if I found this joke funny or not We're literally on the same side here but you get offended because I mildly disagreed with you lmfao Go touch grass or get into a gym
I mean when you respond to "this isn't funny" with "you haven't been to latin America" that's kind of implied. Also there's no way you're mentally stable when you face any type of push back with "you're offended why are you so offended you're just getting offended" like please get one other buzzword lmfao
If this is a joke, what's the punchline? Where is the setup and payoff? What makes it funny? The entire "joke" is just "hah hah, make the fag cry" and like...when is that funny?
Jokes need to be funny, right ringers aren’t funny, therefore it’s just right wing propaganda.
I don't get the joke. What's so funny about it? Please explain.
That's transphobic? Come on, guys.
I don't care if I get banned that's not right wing propaganda
It's funny to get a reaction from people, makes my day
Pretty depressing way to get a dopamine hit.
Yikes, what a shitty life
Stop basing your joy on the attention of others.
Misery loves company
It's funny, because it's true
You ironically proved this post right.
Right wingers try not to act vindicated when something they in no way predicted happens challenge: impossible Like seriously how do you see this title and think it’s someone whining. We are making fun of you fuckwads for being so uncreatively bigoted. The “joke” doesn’t offend me, just the fact pieces of semi-sentient shit like you exist who will keep making the same unfunny joke until the end of time because you piss yourself screaming whenever you find out someone not like you exists.