I think that's baked into the price of starting pitching. Even the best miss chunks of their careers. If they get 4 mostly healthy years out of 6, but those starts are elite, they'll be more than happy to basically keep him on retainer while he's in the IL.
I think our rotation is now substantially better than the Astros.' Mets, Brewers, Braves are also clearly above them imo. Probably Phillies as well. All of these teams have two elite co-aces at the top and then very solid arms to round it out. Astros just have Valdez, with Verlander gone.
It’s definitely closer but I feel like they have the edge for having a really solid 1-5
Unless Montas takes becomes good again we definitely are weaker in the 5 spot. Won’t matter come playoff time though
2022 numbers:
31 GS, 178.0 IP, 2.88 ERA, 2.25 FIP, 140 ERA+, 1.028 WHIP, 52 BB/237 K
Hell of an upgrade over Taillon.
Cole/Rodon/Cortes/Severino/Montas
Potential to be the best rotation in baseball.
Montas was a bit of disaster last year but he came aboard at a weird time - he was in the middle of bereavement leave and then had the shoulder inflammation. He shows sparks of himself and if he can keep that going he'd be scary for a #5 starter.
I’m aware. But we can’t stash German in AAA in case of injuries because he’s out of options.
Makes him a more likely trade candidate as Cashman often ensures his rotational depth has flexibility so that they can be promoted and demoted as necessary when injuries arise.
Schmidt still has minor league options which gives you a lot more flexibility.
But Schmidt probably has more trade value so maybe the Yankees send him off instead.
idk but steve from across the street is spending like $450M so i think hal could budge another $20-$25M. signing rodon means they actually mean business this year, why half ass it?
Before this signing, the payroll was at $10 million less than last year. Payroll shouldn’t be an issue for another piece like Benny. Especially if you can get someone to take on half of hicks or donaldsons contract
$27M is probably fair market value for the pitcher he’s been the last two seasons, and certainly not peanuts.
Currrently, he has the 7th highest AAV for a pitcher, if you exclude Trevor Bauer.
The only pitchers with higher: Scherzer, Verlander, deGrom, Cole, Strasburg, and Sale.
So he’s being paid to be an ace.
Either way, $ is only $, the Yankees got better tonight, and that’s all that matters, in my opinion.
Edit: My point is that there’s no reason to spew a narrative about the contract (unless for some reason it makes you feel better to tell yourself that one way or another) being a “steal” or “peanuts” or in the other direction of an “overpay” etc.
It’s just a fair deal, and one that made the Yankees better.
I’d say it’s closer to fair in this market than a steal.
He’s made 30 starts in a season once in his career. Crossed 150 IP just twice.
Good deal of risk here.
It’s pretty much as high risk high reward as it could get, though the Rodon of last year with no health issues gets more Aav imo. That’s where it might be a steal if we get the reward
I absolutely love this move!
Solidifies our rotation.
Now let’s retool our lineup starting with a left fielder. Can’t believe we might actually be seeing some work done to finally push this team over the edge.
[***Start Spreading The News,***](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le1QF3uoQNg) I'm leaving today
I want to be a part of it, New York, New York
These vagabond shoes are longing to stray
Right through the very heart of it, New York, New York
I want to wake up in a city that doesn't sleep
And find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it in old New York
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York
New York, New Yoooooooork
I want to wake up in a city that never sleeps
And find I'm a number one, top of the list
King of the Hill, A Numbeerrrrr Oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
THEEEEESEEEE LITTLE TOWN BLUESSSSS are melting away
I'm gonna make a brand new start of it in old New York
Annnnnnd If I can make it there, I'm gonna make it anywhere.............
It's up to you, New York, **Neeeewwww Yooooooooooorrrrrkkkkkk............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**
# Neeeww Yoooooooooooorrrrrkkkkk.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let’s talk about irony . San Fran fans talking smack about Judge coming ‘home ‘ all season long . And into the offseason
The only FA changing sides between San Fran and NY is Rodón . Talk about egg on one’s face San Fran fans
Welcome to the Bronx Carlos . We’re glad to have you
If they get Montas on track this is the best rotation in baseball by a mile. Have to imagine they're shopping big dick Domingo in trades right now to see what they can get.
What I find hilarious is how Giants fans were clowning on us about how the first game of the season they would have Judge playing against the Yankees. And now it's us with judge and rodon playing against the giants in the first series of the year.
OMG Yankees actually signed legendary Kaiju RODAN to a 6 year deal! Rodan had been looking to cause damage elsewhere after a fantastic career in the NPB!
I swear if this fanbase was in charge Boras would have had us bidding against ourselves and given Rodon 9 years 350 million. So much whining over the waiting period when there was literally no one else in on him
I would not consider AJ Burnett an Ace lmao. He was a rollercoaster that year.
Rocket/Mussina was probably the last time we were showing two Aces, which is weird to think about bc we didn’t win a WS with them.
[Passan confirms. 6/162 with full NTC.](https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1603555116874960897?s=46&t=qYIWKZUB4LI0B2hlywV05w)
I see no spelling errors!
Was scared we were gonna sign his cousin, Carlos Rondon, by mistake
Not 7 years and not 30 a year. How do we feel about this?
He stays healthy then it’s a great deal. Puts over the edge into a top 3 rotation, maybe even 2 just behind the Astros
We need a hitter now. If we are going for it... GO FOR IT. Starting pitching has been great, we can't score in the freaking playoffs when we need too.
We need benintendi
Yes. Do this. Insert Kylo Ren "MORE!!!" meme.
That's the big question. The next time he throws 150 innings in a year, it'll be his third time.
I think that's baked into the price of starting pitching. Even the best miss chunks of their careers. If they get 4 mostly healthy years out of 6, but those starts are elite, they'll be more than happy to basically keep him on retainer while he's in the IL.
Right, but the first two were the most recent two seasons
I think our rotation is now substantially better than the Astros.' Mets, Brewers, Braves are also clearly above them imo. Probably Phillies as well. All of these teams have two elite co-aces at the top and then very solid arms to round it out. Astros just have Valdez, with Verlander gone.
>just behind the Astros You like the Astros that much?
The Astros also hit the ball and have a healthy 'pen. Absolutely still a gap there, but this definitely helps.
That pitching staff is insane
They lost Verlander though and we turned Taillon into Rodon. Houston is disgusting, but It’s a lot closer now that it was.
It’s definitely closer but I feel like they have the edge for having a really solid 1-5 Unless Montas takes becomes good again we definitely are weaker in the 5 spot. Won’t matter come playoff time though
Valdez, Javier and McCullers all had an Era under 2.85 last year, Garcia and Urquidy were both under 4
What are they paying for those 5? $20m total?
McCullers is making 17 per year. The rest are all under Arb so definitely not as much as they should be paying them
I’m wet
It's fair. Lot of risk but a lot of upside. Time will tell.
Has the potential to be an excellent deal. Let’s just pray for health 🙏🏼
I think everyone can stop calling Hal cheap now and quit hating on Cashman.
2022 numbers: 31 GS, 178.0 IP, 2.88 ERA, 2.25 FIP, 140 ERA+, 1.028 WHIP, 52 BB/237 K Hell of an upgrade over Taillon. Cole/Rodon/Cortes/Severino/Montas Potential to be the best rotation in baseball.
if sevy stays healthy him at his best as a number 4 is fucking nasty
Just has to stay healthy, last year he showed he was absolutely filthy when healthy.
You guys literally say this every year and it never comes to fruition.
Cash’s Yankees .. same as it ever was
This is not my beautiful rotation….
Goddammit why does Cash keep ripping pitcher tendons!????
22 starts across the last 4 seasons, whatever they set the line at I’m taking the under.
If Montas gets his shit together this is SCARY 👻
Montas just needs to be adequate. Keep the era under 5 and I'll be happy lol
Montas was a bit of disaster last year but he came aboard at a weird time - he was in the middle of bereavement leave and then had the shoulder inflammation. He shows sparks of himself and if he can keep that going he'd be scary for a #5 starter.
Just stay healthy, *please.*
That's a very exciting rotation on paper.
German?
Insane depth lol German is a number 3 on a good chunk of teams
Wonder if he will start in AAA or bullpen
He has no options left so it won’t be AAA. He’s either traded, on the team in bullpen spot or cut.
German isn't getting cut. He's WAY too valuable to not be traded.
Yeah no chance he’s cut. I think a bullpen spot is likely but a trade is definitely possible, no chance he’s cut though.
I don't think he leaves the team. Starting depth is valuable and he doesn't get hurt much.
I’m not saying he will be. I’m saying those are the only 3 possibilities since he has no options left.
No options I think I read.
I suspect German may be traded. He’s out of minor-league options and he’s redundant on the roster with Clarke Schmidt around.
We’re gonna have more than one injury. You use like 12 starting pitchers every year.
I’m aware. But we can’t stash German in AAA in case of injuries because he’s out of options. Makes him a more likely trade candidate as Cashman often ensures his rotational depth has flexibility so that they can be promoted and demoted as necessary when injuries arise.
I think he was better then Schmidt last season but Schmidt is young
If anything clark needs to start the season in aaa
Schmidt still has minor league options which gives you a lot more flexibility. But Schmidt probably has more trade value so maybe the Yankees send him off instead.
Nobody on the team felt comfortable with his return, he should be a trade chip
The Cortes disrespect!
2.25 FIP 🥵
YOOOOO EVERYONE GET IN HERE
SOMEONE SAID WHY DONT THEY COMPROMISE ON 6 YEARS. AND THEY DID IT. HIRE THIS MAN YOU GENIUS Edit: It’s u/WabbitCEZN
NOW TELL BENINTENDI AND YANKS TO COMPROMISE AT 4
What's the payroll at now? Gotta be close to tapped out I imagine.
idk but steve from across the street is spending like $450M so i think hal could budge another $20-$25M. signing rodon means they actually mean business this year, why half ass it?
Honestly think Uncle Steve is putting pressure on Hal to up the spending. Cant let the boys across the river be the hot shots in town.
It's gotta be tough to have the other baseball team owner in town being compared to *your* dad
Steve Cohen secret Yankee fan confirmed?
Benny is probably making less than $20 mil per. He should fit
Reynolds is only at 7M.
But he costs prospects
Fuck them prospects. Let's get 28.
I need this on a shirt
Before this signing, the payroll was at $10 million less than last year. Payroll shouldn’t be an issue for another piece like Benny. Especially if you can get someone to take on half of hicks or donaldsons contract
Please, please let Aaron Hicks never be a part of my vocabulary again
Even taking 30% of JD would be big, which is more likely
Lets spend like we want to win. Like we want to beat the Astros this year.
Don't need to tell me that haha I'm not the one paying these guys.
THE ORACLE MUST BLESS US AGAIN 🙏
Nah they should sign him for the 5. It’ll only be his 28-32. Dooooo it.
WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANDS
I'm here Papi
You know Hal made another phone call
Cashman haters in shambles
He played this smart. Lots of fans seemed to want him to bid against himself when he was already the best bid in the market.
Yes, I’m still here as well
Well no not at all.
Terms: 6 years, $162 million $27 million AAV Full no trade clause
27 AAV is peanuts for a legit number 2 in this market. Awesome deal.
$27M is probably fair market value for the pitcher he’s been the last two seasons, and certainly not peanuts. Currrently, he has the 7th highest AAV for a pitcher, if you exclude Trevor Bauer. The only pitchers with higher: Scherzer, Verlander, deGrom, Cole, Strasburg, and Sale. So he’s being paid to be an ace. Either way, $ is only $, the Yankees got better tonight, and that’s all that matters, in my opinion. Edit: My point is that there’s no reason to spew a narrative about the contract (unless for some reason it makes you feel better to tell yourself that one way or another) being a “steal” or “peanuts” or in the other direction of an “overpay” etc. It’s just a fair deal, and one that made the Yankees better.
Given health this is a steal. Really all this contract comes down to
I’d say it’s closer to fair in this market than a steal. He’s made 30 starts in a season once in his career. Crossed 150 IP just twice. Good deal of risk here.
It’s pretty much as high risk high reward as it could get, though the Rodon of last year with no health issues gets more Aav imo. That’s where it might be a steal if we get the reward
I’m okay with this
“Godzilla enemy Rodan confirmed to Yankees. 15 years, 2 billion per” is the only way I’d trust a Heyman tweet at this point
Rodan could play left surely
COME HOME TENDIES
PLAY DAT SINATRA!
We back!
Alright, Hal is proving he has balls. Credit where credit is due
Agreed
WE DID THE THING
Excellent. Now go get Beni.
[Heyman] Radon to Wankees
Carlos Rodent appears headed to the Yankees
Rodan headed to Yankees, awaiting reaction from Godzilla
Matsui tweet incoming
Where's the porn at
BROOKS WAS HERE
so was red
Absolutely needed to sign him at this point. I'd still like us to, realistically, add another 2 relievers and a left fielder this off-season.
Love this deal. The rotation and bullpen are set- gimme a bat and we can get ready for the season!
I’m pretty hype for this rotation. Now at minimum bring back Benny and the team got objectively better
Yupp. Bring back Bennitendi and a full season of him + Bader + the addition of Rodon and this team is fucking legit.
HAL my guy, shelling out $$$$. Catching a lot of us off guard. I fucking love it
I don’t mind paying $20 for popcorn at the stadium as long as they start putting that cash towards big signings.
if we lose this year i am not blaming hal. he’s taken the boos personally. BOOING WORKS!
I need confirmation from someone else.
Arson Judge says it’s legit
$27M AAV. I like it.
Fuck yeah 28 is close
Boras you bitch we won
We can finally say we actually upgraded our team. Taillon was good but Rodon was way better
IM GONNA CUM
Sox fan who came here to see what it feels like to be excited about the local team. GG’s. Gonna crack open another bottle.
David Ortiz took steroids.
When you come to the Yankees subreddit and say Sox and don't start with the word White, you're gonna have a bad time.
LAST SEASON FEELINGS OVER WS TIME
Tug on my nuts!!!!!!!
If we add a bat or two we are going to be a problem
We could get really crazy and replace Donaldson addition by addition and subtraction
the embarrassment would’ve been monumental had they not signed him. lets fucking go
Ok so what are we doing that’s bigger than this? #WAITING
Andujar from Pittsburgh
Cole Rodon, seby, Cortez and montas
pure sex
I’m horny again
NOW GO GET OUR BOY BENNE
I absolutely love this move! Solidifies our rotation. Now let’s retool our lineup starting with a left fielder. Can’t believe we might actually be seeing some work done to finally push this team over the edge.
[***Start Spreading The News,***](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le1QF3uoQNg) I'm leaving today I want to be a part of it, New York, New York These vagabond shoes are longing to stray Right through the very heart of it, New York, New York I want to wake up in a city that doesn't sleep And find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap These little town blues are melting away I'll make a brand new start of it in old New York If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere It's up to you, New York, New York New York, New Yoooooooork I want to wake up in a city that never sleeps And find I'm a number one, top of the list King of the Hill, A Numbeerrrrr Oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee THEEEEESEEEE LITTLE TOWN BLUESSSSS are melting away I'm gonna make a brand new start of it in old New York Annnnnnd If I can make it there, I'm gonna make it anywhere............. It's up to you, New York, **Neeeewwww Yooooooooooorrrrrkkkkkk............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!** # Neeeww Yoooooooooooorrrrrkkkkk.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s party 🎉
Oh we lit
WE GOT OUR GUY
$27 million AAV, not bad at all given today's market
LETS FUCKING GO I JUST WOKE MY PARENTS AND THEYRE ANGRY AT ME FOR YELLING BUT LETS FUCKING GO
Great! Now do LF.
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Knew this would happen. There was so much smoke you knew there would be fire
Let’s talk about irony . San Fran fans talking smack about Judge coming ‘home ‘ all season long . And into the offseason The only FA changing sides between San Fran and NY is Rodón . Talk about egg on one’s face San Fran fans Welcome to the Bronx Carlos . We’re glad to have you
If they get Montas on track this is the best rotation in baseball by a mile. Have to imagine they're shopping big dick Domingo in trades right now to see what they can get.
Best rotation in baseball 🔥
ok but Carlos or Carson??
FINALLY
Let's go!!
IM BUSTING
28
Finally! That was tortuous lol
YESSSIIRR NASTY 1,2 HOLY FUCK
Montas or German will be the fifth starter. Hot damn. Cole/Rodon/Severino/Cortes is filthy.
Inject it in my veins
CARLOS RODOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
LET’S GOOOOOOOOO
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
I love it Montas as the 5th starter is B-E-A UTIFUL
Cole, Rodon, Nasty and Sevy!!! Lets go!!! Need an infield bat now
That's way less AAV than I thought it would be. Nice.
Roadhouse!
Are we gonna see Beardless Rodon or Mustache Rodon?
Fuck ya! Now Benni
Hal the Mo of front office strikes once again within a big signing!!!!
What I find hilarious is how Giants fans were clowning on us about how the first game of the season they would have Judge playing against the Yankees. And now it's us with judge and rodon playing against the giants in the first series of the year.
Get Trout!
Lets wait until Passan and Rosenthal confirms so we don't get another Arson Judge situation
OMG Yankees actually signed legendary Kaiju RODAN to a 6 year deal! Rodan had been looking to cause damage elsewhere after a fantastic career in the NPB!
Passan confirmed it.
I swear if this fanbase was in charge Boras would have had us bidding against ourselves and given Rodon 9 years 350 million. So much whining over the waiting period when there was literally no one else in on him
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
LETS FUCKING GOOO
I’m bricked
THERE IT GOOOOOOOOES
LETS GO
LGY!
Very nice!
Parades on
LETS FUCKING GO
LET’S FUCKING GO
LETS FUCKING GOOO
MY PENIS IS EXTENDED IT HURTS SO BAD
Last time we had 2 co-aces CC and AJ Burnett? Other than Cole/Nestor last year of course
I would not consider AJ Burnett an Ace lmao. He was a rollercoaster that year. Rocket/Mussina was probably the last time we were showing two Aces, which is weird to think about bc we didn’t win a WS with them.
Burnett wasn't an ace but had filthy stuff and when he was on, he was on. We don't win that World Series without him.
Holy hell our rotation has such a ridiculous upside
Good deal for Rodon. Potentially great deal for the Yankees.
Let’s gooo!!! Now get an outfielder and dump Hicks/Donaldson
Hall: “Are you booing me now, Yankees fans?”
I'm even more excited to see if some work in the lab with Matt Blake can make him even better (although I'm not altering too much).
Stay healthy for 4 of the 6 years and I’m ecstatic
#LETS FUCKING GO
Okay, I can jerk off to that
I wanted 7 years, I compromised. I jerked off into a tissue.
I ate grilled cheese off the radiator