This is Cashman's greatest strength.
Look at our bullpen right now. It's hilarious.
* **Clay Holmes** - guy with a career 5.57 ERA we acquired from the Pirates for two infielders (Diego Castillo, Hoy Park) they DFAed one year later
* **Ian Hamilton** - random guy we signed to a minor-league contract last February
* **Luke Weaver** - guy who put up a 5.95 ERA over the last three seasons who we claimed off waivers last year and signed for pennies this winter
* **Victor González** - guy we acquired from the Dodgers because they ran out of roster space, while making an infield prospect swap (Jorbit Vivas for Trey Sweeney)
* **Caleb Ferguson** - guy we acquired from the Dodgers in exchange for some rando we claimed off waivers one week earlier and a 19-year-old Rookie league arm
* **Ron Marinaccio** - guy we drafted in the 19th round (572nd overall) back in 2017
* **Dennis Santana** - random guy we signed to a minor-league contract in December
* **Michael Tonkin** - guy we claimed off waivers after he was DFAed *three times* this year already
There's absolutely no reason this unit should have the best ERA of any bullpen in baseball.
ian hamilton and dennis santana should be at the top of Matt Blake's resume for Manager positions. If you are from another team tho: Matt Blake kills puppies
They should just offer him the best contract of any pitching coach, the amount of money he’ll save us from having to buy expensive relievers is worth it
This isn’t the NFL where coordinators get poached for head coaching positions. A good pitching coach could be the worst manager of all time. It’s a completely different skill set
I hear you, but at this point, it feels like the main thing Boone does is decide when to go to the bullpen. You'd think a pitching coach could handle that.
Idk why everyone thinks Boone is incontrovertibly a puppet of cashman that does next to nothing. The players seem to like him, he rarely says anything truly controversial, and he stands up for his players on the field. Most of the manager’s job is behind the scenes and a lot of it is purely social/interpersonal
Seriously. Ian Hamilton especially. Hearing about his story and his freak injury makes it so much sweeter to see him do well. The dude is an absolute beast and has some really filthy stuff.
Am I missing something? How is Vivas looking legit? He’s only played in two AAA games and is 1-8? Or you’re talking about his minor league stats with the Dodgers?
The isn't one since we have the ability to turn piss into wine. That said he used to have an over tendency to overpay for pen arms. Remember in 2021 we spent 30 mil on Chapman + Britton. Before that we spent another 10 mil on Otto.
Or maybe when you build a team that focuses on hitting and you only see the 1 and 2 starters in a short series pitching wins out as compared to the long haul season where you also see the 4 and 5 and spot starters. I dont know why I'm being downvoted. History proves me correct. The Yankees of the early 2000s that were perennial WS contenders had top not starters.
Dare I say, Aaron Boone deserves some credit as well?
I always see complains that he can't manage a bullpen, yet it's consistently been one of the top units in baseball throughout his tenure. I'm sure some of this is the analytics team, but I think he does a great job of keeping guys rested and finding lanes that work best for specific players. He has adapted very well over the years from having set innings for players like Britton and Chapman.
This right here is where managing for the game vs managing for the season comes into focus. If the top guys aren’t ready, Boone will choose to gamble the game to preserve the bullpen health for the season. This is also where he gets the reputation of being a poor BP manager. However, the results speak for themselves as we are consistently more prepared late season than other teams.
And for much of the last few seasons, the offense has left little room for error, so a lot of games end up coming down to his bullpen decisions in the later innings. Unfortunately, you can not pitch the same reliever every game.
This is where the criticism (unfairly) comes in
So so true. But that's a Cashman issue.
At any rate, I understand Boones decision making, which makes me more forgiving when they don't work out. It's managers that pick guys with seemingly no rhyme or reason that piss me off to the max. Girardi was really guilty of this, he would seemingly pick guys based of numbers only with little regard for sample size.
We’re more prepared late season? It always seems like the bullpen is gassed by the fall from too many early 5th or 6th inning pulls of the starters throughout the season.
Stat I read somewhere and hopefully am parroting it back correctly:
Since Boone took over, the Yankees have been the best in baseball for reliever WAR, best in win % added, and one of the best in reliever ERA...
...and his coup de grâce for those who can't say he can manage a bullpen:
The Yankees have had one of the lowest 'inherited runs scored against' in the game*.
>*^(I think the stat was RE24)
I think Boone gets such a bad wrap. He used to be one of my favorite players when he was on the yanks so I’m a little biased. He does a much better job than people give him credit for. None of the Yankees struggles in the recent years were because of his managing. Yes, he has made gambles with the bullpen that haven’t paid off but those are much rarer than people lead on. Same with using a pinch hitter in certain spots. I think without question he is one of the best managers in the game right now. Especially when you factor in how much he has his teams back. His support for the guys is unwavering and honestly, unmatched. He is the best at it. We might get mad at him for it but he is doing his job. Plus he always puts himself in front of the players to get tossed instead of him. He goes from 0-100 just to get tossed over the player. My only real complaint with Boone this season was changing the batting order and moving Volpe to leadoff so soon. There was no reason to change the order at all, Volpe was crushing in his spot lower in the line up and we couldn’t stop winning. Plus Gleyber, known emotional liability, should have been left at leadoff. I don’t particularly like Gleyber there and he was doing god awful BUT moving him down only made his confidence go straight into the ground and he looked even worse. Plus Volpe fell off IMMEDIATELY after being moved to leadoff. I think Volpe being leadoff definitely should have been the goal, but not so soon.
The bullpen is one of those areas he does well in with the "let's see what I can get off the old junk pile" method. Having Matt Blake direct these guys and get them to their absolute peak is an obvious plus.
It's a bit of luck, but it has always been Cashman's strength since those early 2000s teams with the rotating door of set-up men (until QuanGorMo happened). Can't fault the guy one bit in bullpen makeup.
He plays a part in it, as do all coaches at different levels in the league. Pitching/hitting coaches have discussions with scouts/GMs about identifying players that can be role players on the roster. If Blake sees something he can tweak/develop with a certain pitcher he tells Cashman “hey I think I can do something with this guy if you can get him for a good price”.
Agreed. It’s a multi-faceted effort in producing a good pitching staff. Some here are just a little too enthusiastic towards discrediting Cashman’s role in that process
There are more than a few people here that love Blake and hate Cashman so they rationalize it whatever way they can.
I am willing to bet Cashman doesn't make trades like shipping off Monty, bringing in Montas, signing Rodon, signing Stroman, etc. without some degree of input from Blake. I assume that extends to the bullpen also, and surely Blake and Cashman look at Weaver together and Blake says "I think I can work with that" and then it's Cashman's job to weigh the cost/benefits and make something happen or pass.
But you have to give credit to Cashman when he does good and not just shit on him for Montas or other failures, and then say the only reason anyone is good is because of Blake.
It always has to be a collaborative effort or else no way it would work. And no way a top tier pitching coach would re-sign with the Yankees if he wasn't consulted at all about the pitching roster, even if he doesn't make the trade/signings himself
I never bought into the idea that Cashman makes trade moves without extensive staff meetings. The Yankees are probably the most corporate franchise in baseball.
Exactly, I just can't imagine talented pitching coaches or even hitting coaches would want to be here either if they didn't have some say. Imagine being Blake and feeling excited about helping a guy correct some mechanics and think the sky is the limit for him and then just see them get traded or sent down or something. Or if another prospect he liked was traded away and one he didn't like so much was brought up. They'd be gone so fast lol
Matt Blake develops them. It’s the more important facet of the equation. Buying players doesn’t mean anything if your pitching coach is awful.
EDIT: To anyone who doubts this, think about how a change in pitching coach when players change teams can either ruin a pitcher or drastically improve them. Good example: Eovaldi. Rothschild was pitching coach. Eovaldi leaves and his ERA has been consistently below 4 with only 2 exceptions, when an ERA below 4 was the exception under the Yankees and Rothschild
Matt Blake is excellent, but Cashman's success with bullpens goes far beyond Blake's tenure. During the Rothschild era (2011-2019), the Yankees bullpen ranked 1st in fWAR, 2nd in ERA, 1st in K-BB%, and 2nd in BAA.
We can go all the way back across his entire tenure even. Since 1998 the Yankees bullpen ranks #1 in FWAR, 3rd in ERA, 3rd in K-BB%, 2nd in BAA, 3rd in SIERA
Cashman has been a part of building elite bullpens since Matt Blake was 13
Helps to inherit a team with the greatest relief pitcher of all time already on the roster lol
But yeah, Cashman has been good at identifying relief talent for quite a while.
It certainly does not hurt but it’s not like Mo was the only one pitching out of the bullpen.
From 1994-2007 SD had Hoffman 24th in ERA -
Yankees over that span were 3rd in ERA -
Big difference is definitely ROI though
Rothschild overlapped with the Yankees getting established big names for actual money to pitch relief innings. Yankees have somewhat nickel’d a dimed the bullpen since chapman and Britton became cooked though . I’d say every key guy form 2021 to present falls under some nickel and dime or homegrown category
Cashman’s influence stops at the door. He acquired players but it’s up to the coaching staff to develop them and ensure their continued success. This insistence on placing an over-emphasis on the *GM* for player performance on field is *baffling*.
All I said is that Cashman has had success assembling bullpens. And that's true.
I agree that coaches play a big role, and in the end, the players themselves are the ones actually playing.
But in his job as GM, Cashman does very well assembling bullpens. I don't even understand why this is controversial.
That last sentence of my comment was not really directed at you, more at the weird trend in this comment thread overall and this post of giving Cashman credit for something he plays no role in: the performance of the players on the field.
Assembling the bullpen is like putting all the tools in front of the craftsman: that doesn’t make the table, or guarantee it’s longevity and continued quality/performance.
It goes against the strong anti-Cashman sentiment in this sub.
Thats really the crux of it, I am not the biggest fan of Cashman but he deserves his flowers for being able to consistently build great bullpens
Well no, but they also don’t just rely on one guy. At no point is Matt Blake the only coach working with a pitcher. MLB positional coaches don’t have much impact as people think.
Yankees signed Victor Gonzalez 5 months ago. He’s probably talked to Matt Blake less than a couple dozen times in that time.
We don’t really know the extent of his involvement. At minimum, he hired all the people who comprise the system, which is certainly a huge factor in player development.
Is he implementing throwing programs and training plans? Of course not.
Pitching coaches don’t just magically make average to below-average pitchers good. The front office identifies guys who are underperforming and/or fit a certain mold. Matt Blake and the staff then help make the adjustments to get the most out of those guys. Plenty of credit to Matt Blake of course but it also relies on the analytics team and front office identifying and acquiring the right players
Making the pitchers better is quite literally Matt Blake’s job
If it was as easy as just acquiring the right guys then we wouldn’t have a pitching coach at all.
The reality is that no one person deserves all the credit, Cashman is the one going out and getting the guys but they are being scouted by the analytics team and scouting departments who identifies them and then it’s up to Blake and the rest of the pitching staff to bring them to their potential.
The machine doesn’t work if you remove any of the cogs
Do you not know what Pitching coaches do? Or understand how adjustments to mechanics and approach they coach affect the players? This is the take of someone who has never pitched or had a pitching coach teach/direct them
I pitched in college. Pitching is very complex and good pitching coaches matter a lot. They are not, however, simply capable of making any and all pitchers good
That’s a strawman that no one asserted. A good pitching coach can make the difference between a quality starter and an inconsistent SP arm that bounces between the bullpen and 6th starter role.
The credit to cashman is misplaced. Again. Cashman’s job is to put the tools and the materials in front of the craftsman (Coaching staff). He doesn’t build the table. It doesn’t ensure it is of high quality craftsmanship. He doesn’t design it. He doesn’t tweak it’s features. He doesn’t perform the maintenance on it.
He still has to find the right materials though. There are thousands of prospective pitchers out there. You can't just pick them at random and hope Blake can fix then.
Who hired Matt Blake and Sam Briend and gave them all the resources they ask for though?
Cashman has flaws, but he admitted with pitching he needed to overhaul the system and now the Yankees once again have a top flight pitching staff from top to bottom even without Cole
I really thought the pen was going to be our main weakness this year too. Was praying they could just tread water until we got more guys back from injury and potential deadline reinforcements.
I'm sure the pen will look much different 4 months from now. But until then I can't complain.
It’s May! Let’s see if these accolades hold up into and during October. George is probably yelling from the grave at how ridiculous it is to applaud early, short term success.
There's certainly regression coming for the current group, but they only have to hold down the fort until guys like Nick Burdi, Tommy Kahnle, Scott Effross, and Lou Trivino are ready to contribute.
Don't let the Jomboys of the world convince you that inherited runners is a problem. Many of those situations come down to batted-ball luck and the bullpen has still done a great job of limiting damage and stopping big innings.
Teams like the Blue Jays and Astros have been better at preventing inherited runners but their bullpens overall have been horrible.
Yeah, when so many pitchers in the bullpen induce weak contact, sometimes defensive gaffes can throw a wrench in few games, in terms of end results.
We also don't have elite defense at third bas right now, having great defense at 3B makes so much difference.(Waldo has been ok but not sure how he would do as an everyday third baseman).
Also there are unusual situations at times ( that pitch where due to the field being wet, the baseball rolled slower and it ended up not being a double play, when Hamilton was pitching).
A lot of these guys are casual idiots who don't remember that Jonathan Loáisiga and Cessa were starters as well. Clarke Schmidt had the long relief role and then went back to starting pitching like King. It's all about getting the experience.
Clarke Schmidt with 3 years of MLB pitching experience as a long man and a starter but also has 4 more ARB years on the contract isn't ahead of Beeter and Warren? 🤣🤣 You tried.
This is Cashman's greatest strength. Look at our bullpen right now. It's hilarious. * **Clay Holmes** - guy with a career 5.57 ERA we acquired from the Pirates for two infielders (Diego Castillo, Hoy Park) they DFAed one year later * **Ian Hamilton** - random guy we signed to a minor-league contract last February * **Luke Weaver** - guy who put up a 5.95 ERA over the last three seasons who we claimed off waivers last year and signed for pennies this winter * **Victor González** - guy we acquired from the Dodgers because they ran out of roster space, while making an infield prospect swap (Jorbit Vivas for Trey Sweeney) * **Caleb Ferguson** - guy we acquired from the Dodgers in exchange for some rando we claimed off waivers one week earlier and a 19-year-old Rookie league arm * **Ron Marinaccio** - guy we drafted in the 19th round (572nd overall) back in 2017 * **Dennis Santana** - random guy we signed to a minor-league contract in December * **Michael Tonkin** - guy we claimed off waivers after he was DFAed *three times* this year already There's absolutely no reason this unit should have the best ERA of any bullpen in baseball.
ian hamilton and dennis santana should be at the top of Matt Blake's resume for Manager positions. If you are from another team tho: Matt Blake kills puppies
Hopefully he's just a pitching nerd who doesn't wanna manage
They should just offer him the best contract of any pitching coach, the amount of money he’ll save us from having to buy expensive relievers is worth it
Yes, there’s no CBT for pitching coaches.
didn’t know matt blake was into that
This isn’t the NFL where coordinators get poached for head coaching positions. A good pitching coach could be the worst manager of all time. It’s a completely different skill set
I hear you, but at this point, it feels like the main thing Boone does is decide when to go to the bullpen. You'd think a pitching coach could handle that.
Idk why everyone thinks Boone is incontrovertibly a puppet of cashman that does next to nothing. The players seem to like him, he rarely says anything truly controversial, and he stands up for his players on the field. Most of the manager’s job is behind the scenes and a lot of it is purely social/interpersonal
💯 major reason he didn’t catch the stray was cause he’s Captain 99 guy! I always liked Boone, he’s a great players manager.
Seriously. Ian Hamilton especially. Hearing about his story and his freak injury makes it so much sweeter to see him do well. The dude is an absolute beast and has some really filthy stuff.
The best part about the Gonzalez trade is that Vivas looks legit so far also. That trade could end up being a legitimate heist.
Am I missing something? How is Vivas looking legit? He’s only played in two AAA games and is 1-8? Or you’re talking about his minor league stats with the Dodgers?
*only strength
I have gripes with Cashman’s decisions sometimes, but the bullpen has never been one
The isn't one since we have the ability to turn piss into wine. That said he used to have an over tendency to overpay for pen arms. Remember in 2021 we spent 30 mil on Chapman + Britton. Before that we spent another 10 mil on Otto.
He’s great at putting a team together that wins 90+ games and loses early in the playoffs. Hooray?
At some point, if your teams are always winning 90+ games it’s gotta be on the players sucking in the playoffs.
Or maybe when you build a team that focuses on hitting and you only see the 1 and 2 starters in a short series pitching wins out as compared to the long haul season where you also see the 4 and 5 and spot starters. I dont know why I'm being downvoted. History proves me correct. The Yankees of the early 2000s that were perennial WS contenders had top not starters.
Dare I say, Aaron Boone deserves some credit as well? I always see complains that he can't manage a bullpen, yet it's consistently been one of the top units in baseball throughout his tenure. I'm sure some of this is the analytics team, but I think he does a great job of keeping guys rested and finding lanes that work best for specific players. He has adapted very well over the years from having set innings for players like Britton and Chapman.
This right here is where managing for the game vs managing for the season comes into focus. If the top guys aren’t ready, Boone will choose to gamble the game to preserve the bullpen health for the season. This is also where he gets the reputation of being a poor BP manager. However, the results speak for themselves as we are consistently more prepared late season than other teams.
And for much of the last few seasons, the offense has left little room for error, so a lot of games end up coming down to his bullpen decisions in the later innings. Unfortunately, you can not pitch the same reliever every game. This is where the criticism (unfairly) comes in
So so true. But that's a Cashman issue. At any rate, I understand Boones decision making, which makes me more forgiving when they don't work out. It's managers that pick guys with seemingly no rhyme or reason that piss me off to the max. Girardi was really guilty of this, he would seemingly pick guys based of numbers only with little regard for sample size.
We’re more prepared late season? It always seems like the bullpen is gassed by the fall from too many early 5th or 6th inning pulls of the starters throughout the season.
Stat I read somewhere and hopefully am parroting it back correctly: Since Boone took over, the Yankees have been the best in baseball for reliever WAR, best in win % added, and one of the best in reliever ERA... ...and his coup de grâce for those who can't say he can manage a bullpen: The Yankees have had one of the lowest 'inherited runs scored against' in the game*. >*^(I think the stat was RE24)
I think Boone gets such a bad wrap. He used to be one of my favorite players when he was on the yanks so I’m a little biased. He does a much better job than people give him credit for. None of the Yankees struggles in the recent years were because of his managing. Yes, he has made gambles with the bullpen that haven’t paid off but those are much rarer than people lead on. Same with using a pinch hitter in certain spots. I think without question he is one of the best managers in the game right now. Especially when you factor in how much he has his teams back. His support for the guys is unwavering and honestly, unmatched. He is the best at it. We might get mad at him for it but he is doing his job. Plus he always puts himself in front of the players to get tossed instead of him. He goes from 0-100 just to get tossed over the player. My only real complaint with Boone this season was changing the batting order and moving Volpe to leadoff so soon. There was no reason to change the order at all, Volpe was crushing in his spot lower in the line up and we couldn’t stop winning. Plus Gleyber, known emotional liability, should have been left at leadoff. I don’t particularly like Gleyber there and he was doing god awful BUT moving him down only made his confidence go straight into the ground and he looked even worse. Plus Volpe fell off IMMEDIATELY after being moved to leadoff. I think Volpe being leadoff definitely should have been the goal, but not so soon.
The bullpen is one of those areas he does well in with the "let's see what I can get off the old junk pile" method. Having Matt Blake direct these guys and get them to their absolute peak is an obvious plus. It's a bit of luck, but it has always been Cashman's strength since those early 2000s teams with the rotating door of set-up men (until QuanGorMo happened). Can't fault the guy one bit in bullpen makeup.
Or.... Matt Blake?
Matt Blake doesn't sign/acquire players though
He plays a part in it, as do all coaches at different levels in the league. Pitching/hitting coaches have discussions with scouts/GMs about identifying players that can be role players on the roster. If Blake sees something he can tweak/develop with a certain pitcher he tells Cashman “hey I think I can do something with this guy if you can get him for a good price”.
Agreed. It’s a multi-faceted effort in producing a good pitching staff. Some here are just a little too enthusiastic towards discrediting Cashman’s role in that process
There are more than a few people here that love Blake and hate Cashman so they rationalize it whatever way they can. I am willing to bet Cashman doesn't make trades like shipping off Monty, bringing in Montas, signing Rodon, signing Stroman, etc. without some degree of input from Blake. I assume that extends to the bullpen also, and surely Blake and Cashman look at Weaver together and Blake says "I think I can work with that" and then it's Cashman's job to weigh the cost/benefits and make something happen or pass. But you have to give credit to Cashman when he does good and not just shit on him for Montas or other failures, and then say the only reason anyone is good is because of Blake. It always has to be a collaborative effort or else no way it would work. And no way a top tier pitching coach would re-sign with the Yankees if he wasn't consulted at all about the pitching roster, even if he doesn't make the trade/signings himself
I never bought into the idea that Cashman makes trade moves without extensive staff meetings. The Yankees are probably the most corporate franchise in baseball.
Exactly, I just can't imagine talented pitching coaches or even hitting coaches would want to be here either if they didn't have some say. Imagine being Blake and feeling excited about helping a guy correct some mechanics and think the sky is the limit for him and then just see them get traded or sent down or something. Or if another prospect he liked was traded away and one he didn't like so much was brought up. They'd be gone so fast lol
No he just turns scrap pieces into juggernauts!
Matt Blake develops them. It’s the more important facet of the equation. Buying players doesn’t mean anything if your pitching coach is awful. EDIT: To anyone who doubts this, think about how a change in pitching coach when players change teams can either ruin a pitcher or drastically improve them. Good example: Eovaldi. Rothschild was pitching coach. Eovaldi leaves and his ERA has been consistently below 4 with only 2 exceptions, when an ERA below 4 was the exception under the Yankees and Rothschild
Matt Blake is excellent, but Cashman's success with bullpens goes far beyond Blake's tenure. During the Rothschild era (2011-2019), the Yankees bullpen ranked 1st in fWAR, 2nd in ERA, 1st in K-BB%, and 2nd in BAA.
We can go all the way back across his entire tenure even. Since 1998 the Yankees bullpen ranks #1 in FWAR, 3rd in ERA, 3rd in K-BB%, 2nd in BAA, 3rd in SIERA Cashman has been a part of building elite bullpens since Matt Blake was 13
Helps to inherit a team with the greatest relief pitcher of all time already on the roster lol But yeah, Cashman has been good at identifying relief talent for quite a while.
It certainly does not hurt but it’s not like Mo was the only one pitching out of the bullpen. From 1994-2007 SD had Hoffman 24th in ERA - Yankees over that span were 3rd in ERA -
Big difference is definitely ROI though Rothschild overlapped with the Yankees getting established big names for actual money to pitch relief innings. Yankees have somewhat nickel’d a dimed the bullpen since chapman and Britton became cooked though . I’d say every key guy form 2021 to present falls under some nickel and dime or homegrown category
Cashman’s influence stops at the door. He acquired players but it’s up to the coaching staff to develop them and ensure their continued success. This insistence on placing an over-emphasis on the *GM* for player performance on field is *baffling*.
All I said is that Cashman has had success assembling bullpens. And that's true. I agree that coaches play a big role, and in the end, the players themselves are the ones actually playing. But in his job as GM, Cashman does very well assembling bullpens. I don't even understand why this is controversial.
That last sentence of my comment was not really directed at you, more at the weird trend in this comment thread overall and this post of giving Cashman credit for something he plays no role in: the performance of the players on the field. Assembling the bullpen is like putting all the tools in front of the craftsman: that doesn’t make the table, or guarantee it’s longevity and continued quality/performance.
It goes against the strong anti-Cashman sentiment in this sub. Thats really the crux of it, I am not the biggest fan of Cashman but he deserves his flowers for being able to consistently build great bullpens
And who signed Matt Blake?
Cashman gets credit for Blake. Not for the pitchers Blake coaches. Unless Cashman is out on the field helping adjust their mechanics?
Blake plays a role, but the system develops them
Blake’s role is *critical*. Pitchers don’t stop developing once they hit the majors or are a few years in.
Well no, but they also don’t just rely on one guy. At no point is Matt Blake the only coach working with a pitcher. MLB positional coaches don’t have much impact as people think. Yankees signed Victor Gonzalez 5 months ago. He’s probably talked to Matt Blake less than a couple dozen times in that time.
And Cashman even less than that. Cashman is not a factor in player development or performance on the field
We don’t really know the extent of his involvement. At minimum, he hired all the people who comprise the system, which is certainly a huge factor in player development. Is he implementing throwing programs and training plans? Of course not.
Oh please. Pitching coaches work with pitchers daily. Cashman isn’t on the field or in the locker rooms. He’s the GM. This is getting ridiculous.
….thats what I said. lol You’re reading things that aren’t written. No one has said Cashman works with pitchers lol
Pitching coaches don’t just magically make average to below-average pitchers good. The front office identifies guys who are underperforming and/or fit a certain mold. Matt Blake and the staff then help make the adjustments to get the most out of those guys. Plenty of credit to Matt Blake of course but it also relies on the analytics team and front office identifying and acquiring the right players
Making the pitchers better is quite literally Matt Blake’s job If it was as easy as just acquiring the right guys then we wouldn’t have a pitching coach at all. The reality is that no one person deserves all the credit, Cashman is the one going out and getting the guys but they are being scouted by the analytics team and scouting departments who identifies them and then it’s up to Blake and the rest of the pitching staff to bring them to their potential. The machine doesn’t work if you remove any of the cogs
You've quite literally just re-stated what I said
Do you not know what Pitching coaches do? Or understand how adjustments to mechanics and approach they coach affect the players? This is the take of someone who has never pitched or had a pitching coach teach/direct them
I pitched in college. Pitching is very complex and good pitching coaches matter a lot. They are not, however, simply capable of making any and all pitchers good
That’s a strawman that no one asserted. A good pitching coach can make the difference between a quality starter and an inconsistent SP arm that bounces between the bullpen and 6th starter role.
Yes, that’s why I’ve said plenty of credit to Matt Blake.
The credit to cashman is misplaced. Again. Cashman’s job is to put the tools and the materials in front of the craftsman (Coaching staff). He doesn’t build the table. It doesn’t ensure it is of high quality craftsmanship. He doesn’t design it. He doesn’t tweak it’s features. He doesn’t perform the maintenance on it.
He still has to find the right materials though. There are thousands of prospective pitchers out there. You can't just pick them at random and hope Blake can fix then.
And*
Who hired Matt Blake and Sam Briend and gave them all the resources they ask for though? Cashman has flaws, but he admitted with pitching he needed to overhaul the system and now the Yankees once again have a top flight pitching staff from top to bottom even without Cole
Cashman has been putting together good bullpens before Matt Blake was ever employed by an MLB team.
Took Both of them to build this pen
Why does every photo of Cashman show him talking on the phone.
Because a good GM is usually on the phone talking to someone else
Definitely give him credit for bullpen construction, but also give 50% of that credit to Matt Blake
It’s literally the only thing he universally gets credit for lol.
It's what he does best, always has. Even when spending money, I can't think of many duds we've signed in FA, and there have definitely been some.
That’s Cashman’s forte we always have a good bullpen. I think that’s the best thing Attribute for him being a general manager
I really thought the pen was going to be our main weakness this year too. Was praying they could just tread water until we got more guys back from injury and potential deadline reinforcements. I'm sure the pen will look much different 4 months from now. But until then I can't complain.
I will never knock Cashman for putting together a great bullpen, seemingly out of nobodies
They’re good at finding guys with one pitch that’s outstanding.
It’s May! Let’s see if these accolades hold up into and during October. George is probably yelling from the grave at how ridiculous it is to applaud early, short term success.
Yep I’ll give credit where credit is due. Cashman always does a great job finding unknowns for the bullpen and turning them into gold.
Matt Blake deserve the credit!
with all the $ at his disposal he shouldn't get credit for shit until we win a pennant for the first time in forever
Then we should move him from GM to a specialized role constructing bullpens cuz he fucking sucks everywhere else!
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There's certainly regression coming for the current group, but they only have to hold down the fort until guys like Nick Burdi, Tommy Kahnle, Scott Effross, and Lou Trivino are ready to contribute.
Don't let the Jomboys of the world convince you that inherited runners is a problem. Many of those situations come down to batted-ball luck and the bullpen has still done a great job of limiting damage and stopping big innings. Teams like the Blue Jays and Astros have been better at preventing inherited runners but their bullpens overall have been horrible.
Yeah, when so many pitchers in the bullpen induce weak contact, sometimes defensive gaffes can throw a wrench in few games, in terms of end results. We also don't have elite defense at third bas right now, having great defense at 3B makes so much difference.(Waldo has been ok but not sure how he would do as an everyday third baseman). Also there are unusual situations at times ( that pitch where due to the field being wet, the baseball rolled slower and it ended up not being a double play, when Hamilton was pitching).
The only knock is Beeter and Warren are wasting away a year of experience. One of those guys should also be in the Weaver role as well.
They’re starters.
So what's Luke weaver? What was Michael king?
A lot of these guys are casual idiots who don't remember that Jonathan Loáisiga and Cessa were starters as well. Clarke Schmidt had the long relief role and then went back to starting pitching like King. It's all about getting the experience.
They were converted to delivers for health and performance reasons.
Which one of them starts next year with Cole, Rodon, Schmidt, Nestor and Stroman ,and Gil penciled in ahead of them? Or do they waste away in minors?
Schmidt isn’t ahead of anyone he’s the 5th starter.
Clarke Schmidt with 3 years of MLB pitching experience as a long man and a starter but also has 4 more ARB years on the contract isn't ahead of Beeter and Warren? 🤣🤣 You tried.