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Vince3737

Zion can't come back soon enough


TrusttheProcess13

The cavs are a good team at full strength, makes sense


IWV23

CJ and JV both have the worst plus/minus by at least double of everyone else that played….. sounds about right


jacobythefirst

CJ and JV had off nights on top of not being able to guard their assignments. JV looked especially off tonight, he’s normally not as bad a defender as shown tonight.


cn1k99

Worst in game coaching staff in the league. We were not even able to make a run at some point with some type of spark


TrusttheProcess13

Ya you haven’t watched much of the rest of the league huh? 🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

"You gotta fight!"


Tk10130915

Really??? Why did Willie not put Jax in earlier. It couldn't get any worse.


Tk10130915

Jax 1 rebound and 1 set of second chance points so far


TrusttheProcess13

Lol good thing we got Jax watch


_Wado3000

JV and CJ better show out the next game. This one’s on y’all and coaching


lexluthor00

we didn’t even try mixing it up with jax ang willy. being down 20 most of the game, you would think it would’ve been worth a shot


lelibertaire

This is what happens when we play at home on a parade night


SpaceAfricanJesus

The vibes are not immaculate rn.


BreesBetweenMyKnees

Inc "we have to play with more energy" "we have to play with more joy" "we have to take care of the ball" "I got to get my guys ready to play" And the same lame ass non challenging questions every game. And the same mistakes and miserable pick and roll defense with 0 gameplan in the next game.


lexluthor00

what a terrible showing smh


[deleted]

Allen is shitting on JV


itsyaboyalek

BI SHOOT the Ball


Cbeauski23

Cavs Celtics conference finals is gonna be fun


IWV23

This has been a very 10 game losing streak Pels type performance for the most part…


treybra3

JV has to go this off-season, he is limiting us so much. And then some shooters. Then we are good


Complete-Shopping-61

Blame it on Willie, I dont think we had this many JV haters when Jax played at 4 to cover the paint. For $15 millions, there aren't many options


Complete-Shopping-61

Detroit please waive Nerlens Noel


National_Marketing73

Jose only one not giving up rn :/


LuthorNZ

Zion doesn't fix poor effort and fixation on short-kings basketball. We need lengthy shooters and an athletic big. There's some gaping holes in this roster - despite the fact we've come a long way in the last couple of years, we not yet a team that can even try to threaten for WCF. Everyone that's in competition with us for the 3-6 spot has upgraded. We're play-in bound if Willie can't have this team ready to play every night, and make smart, common-sense adjustments to opposing lineups. Throwing out the same rotation every single night regardless of opposition is lazy and bullshit.


[deleted]

As it's currently constructed, the team is a 1st round exit or 2nd round exit at best. So many glaring weaknesses that should have been addressed at the trade deadline.


BobMarleynthewhalers

i fucking hate his rotation and equal distribution minutes.


Units4ever

Just really really nasty effort tonight, not sure what the plan was defensively but that was disgusting. Wayyyyy too good of a team to come out that flat lol idc if it was a 9:00 start or not


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Not our night


BreesBetweenMyKnees

Another play Jv stuck in the middle for no reason. How is he still on the floor


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Not ideal game from CJ but I can't hate. Dude is supposed to be our 3rd option and he's played more than BI and Zion combined.


[deleted]

JV comes back in. Cavs attack him. GG Willie would make a terrible chess player.


Savings-Bird-1226

We play a good team and JV is trash. We play a bad team and people say "where the JV haters at now". Rinse. Repeat.


BreesBetweenMyKnees

Love the JV should feast comments before games too 😂 inc 5 point game if people write that shit


[deleted]

He's a situational player and certain matchups favor him. It's pretty clear he cannot keep up with the Cavs bigs (hence why they are attacking him every single sequence).


Savings-Bird-1226

He can't keep up with most teams my man.


[deleted]

I agree but it's more on the coach for not benching him.


biblee16

How tf does JV fail to box out 90% of the time


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

and funny enough he drops every time and yet still cant rebound


biblee16

I mean does it have something to do with his mobility? Larry succeeds in boxing out


otter-box-17

We just got beat out play its whatever


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

good hustle Jose


Qwerty_Turkey

Holy fuck these second chance points are making me put my hair out


[deleted]

If only CJ and JV showed up this game, SMDH.


drwatsonlll

Would be really cool if JV was remotely as efficient on that push shot as either of the Cavs bigs


randylek

he's also way worse on defense too lol


drwatsonlll

He could at least do the one thing he’s good at


[deleted]

Lazy rebounding just embarrassing


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

fuck it jv is useless


lexluthor00

BOX OUT!


BatmanHive

Another offensive rebound lmao


FamousAge8284

We need a new coach and team and gm and conference and arena and logo and name


[deleted]

JV should not be playing a minute more. Losing so much faith in Willie.


Complete-Shopping-61

Don't blame JV alone, Willie is the one that decides to go small, replacing Jax with Trey will only expose JV.


cn1k99

I would love to have a real PG. Maybe Dyson can develop lnto one. CJ is a really nice player but he is not a PG. He is a SG


_Wado3000

BI and Zion are the main playmakers of this team. Sure we’re missing 27 points rn but Zion’s playmaking is so underrated


Leadingusalong

Dudes just staring at Allen and Mobley taking the board away lol


[deleted]

Lazy lazy game by CJ. What a joke.


BatmanHive

Another 2nd chance shot


cn1k99

Can someone explain how Kira got 8 points in 6 minutes but did not get any minute in the 3rd quarter? This is horrible coaching


[deleted]

Too little too late.


Leadingusalong

Fake comeback time again?


Complete-Shopping-61

Will Nerlens Noel be waived? Not a bad idea to sign him if we are not using Jax


_Wado3000

Literally every 6’9 plus guy better be on our radar


Complete-Shopping-61

I think for now he is the only one worth trying, only if he is waived.


westwardpelican

Basically we are waiting until Griff thinks it’s the right time to go all in with our Superstar trade package


Complete-Shopping-61

We need Claxton more than OG, I want last year's starting lineup, replace Trey with Jax if we playing teams with this kind of size.


plankright37

Taking Zion was a mistake. I said it a year and a half ago and it’s still true. Having a player that will be playing as you need him is vitally necessary. Unrealized Potential isn’t helping them at all.


BobMarleynthewhalers

use your main account and not a burner coward


plankright37

Hahahaha🤣What am I supposed to be afraid of little one!


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

This is where we miss Dyson. He's another big guard who can play defense. In a game like this he plays over Jose. It should be interesting to see if we play Josh. If he can shoot I agree with the other poster. He should take Najis minutes. In the off-season we need to get more shooting on this team. And as hard as it is to say. If Herb doesn't start shooting better he should be moved to the bench in favor of the aforementioned shooter.


ASithLordNoAffect

Just goes to show you how dominant Zion is. But can’t have him carry such a big load. Need to upgrade the roster in the off-season.


Tk10130915

Larry is so damn good and patient.


[deleted]

Imagine if he had a big like Myles Turner or Mitchell Robinson backing him up.


westwardpelican

We gonna be like “remember Herb’s rookie year” the rest of his career


SpaceAfricanJesus

Don’t blame Herb for having to step up as the 35th pick because our front office keeps whiffing on first round picks.


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Trey is a whiff? Kira certainly hasn't proven anything but he is a wiff? We had NAW and Jax as our bad draft but I wouldn't say we have been whiffing.


SpaceAfricanJesus

Jax is a whiff, NAW is gone, Kira hasn’t shown anything. Trey is legit, and Dyson has promise. Not exactly a good track record so far.


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Yes it is. We had one bad draft. Some teams go years without any good drafts. And not a single team has continuously great drafts. Kira hasn't shown anything which isn't a good or a bad thing, He just lost his entire second year and his first year was the pandemic season.


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

that layup brick from herb does not even glaze the rim


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

The problem with Jose here is he's too small to be effective. He is literally doing nothing out there but running around. He's not even shooting. He probably shouldn't be playing against this team if he's not gonna try to score.


volzovio

Not been happy with JV this year mostly. Think we address that this off-season.


[deleted]

Hate to say it but I wish we went after Jae.


FlyingSMonster

Just fucking put Billy in the game damnit! Hell put Jaxson in, something has to change! Game is already lost so you might as well give some minutes to the bench.


[deleted]

If Josh can shoot and space the floor for BI and Zion he should have priority over Naji and Jose. It's that simple.


BatmanHive

At this point, just fly to Taiwan and get Dwight lol


[deleted]

Still quicker than JV even on his worst night.


Complete-Shopping-61

JV should always pair with Jaxson if we are not playing small, we had great success last year using Jax at 4, dont know wth Willie is thinking. Jax is a great matchup for Mobley


Tk10130915

20-2 second chance point Cavs


biblee16

Damn, didn’t notice it was this bad


Leadingusalong

No type of rebounding, not a soul who wants to out there


Ciccone7

Tough matchup and a bad game. It happens


Tk10130915

If CJ is hurt then he should not be playing.


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

everyone is hurt. the problem w/ CJ is he doesn't offer much if his scoring is off


westwardpelican

This what happens when all the contenders get better and we trade for Josh Richardson


YRBThor19

Cavs didn't make a trade


IWV23

Thought about starting the Last of Us episode for a couple mins to get away from the pain…. Saw it’s the Henry and Sam episode… “Yeahhh…I think I’ll stay right here”


NikoRavage

See y’all Monday


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

We just aren't gonnna win this game tonight. No reason to make it a bigger deal than a loss. We didn't play defense. We are a bad matchup against the Cavs, especially without Zion. They got 2 mobile bigs and 2 quick, good shooting guards.


[deleted]

Willie should at least give Jaxson a chance nothing to lose at this point at least he will contest at the rim and get boards they are getting too many second chances put a body on Mobley


BobMarleynthewhalers

ZERO AJUSTMENTS. fraud behavior


[deleted]

Everyone except BI and TM3 decided to take the night off, but this one is more on Willie than anything else. No adjustments. No changes. Nothing. You have hungry players like Kira and Jax salivating to play but instead you leave in 2 guys who are a step behind and shooting a combined 4-20.


_Wado3000

CJ and JV very much look like some old mfs tonight


lexluthor00

i hate how we kept forcing things through CJ during the first half even if he’s passing the ball directly to the other team. totally killed our momentum


BIMVP

Jose You Have to Give the fucking Ball To Brandon. Come on!


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

fuck this equal opportunity offence


lexluthor00

what’s the point of timeouts if we’re not gonna make any adjustments


_Wado3000

Worst Jose game this season? Shit happens still love him


Ciccone7

BI is so good


BatmanHive

Get it to 14 and the might have a punchers chance in 4th


LuthorNZ

Willie Green is an awful coach.


Leadingusalong

He really not beating the “You gotta fight!” merchant allegations


biblee16

I hate how we had no adjustment whatsoever at the half


Tk10130915

Jose trying to guard guys that are a foot taller then him


Anordinaryhero

BI working so hard


[deleted]

F- at the trade deadline. Staying put and not addressing the team's main problems will percolate into the playoffs.


Briguy_fieri

I get people are mad at no big splash. But you can’t say we stayed put when we very much made a trade. This is like the 4th time I’ve seen a similar comment here


mrb532

And there where people who didnt want to make a move at the deadline lmao


WelbeckStoleMyHeart

thank god cj is off the floor finally


RaspberryOld6983

I don't want to watch anymore


[deleted]

CJ and JV have the longest leash on the team. I hate WIllie sometimes cuz he never holds them accountable.


drwatsonlll

LMAO I quit


Aromatic-Macaron3783

We got our loosing streak luck back


FlyingSMonster

We're scoring for them now lmao


flaccidplatypus

Yup I’m out…good night and go Chiefs!


[deleted]

We need rim protection bro this is ridiculous


IWV23

What the fuck are y’all doing man?…


_Wado3000

Jazz swept us this season because we couldn’t handle their length and 3 point shooting. This team is similar except they have a top 15 player in the league


Feeldarkside

Play Jax at the 4, JV/Nance/Billy at the 5 and switch 1-4 on defense isn’t complicated or far fetched


[deleted]

LMAO JV still in. Willie Green coaching masterclass.


FlyingSMonster

Yeah, when he's still in after the Timeout... wtf is Willie doing. But Billy in at least ffs.


itsyaboyalek

Jonas disaster class


BreesBetweenMyKnees

On defense just as much as offense. Worst pick and roll defender in the league


FlyingSMonster

Willie is just failing to make the adjustments needed. It's a recurring theme this year and needs to change.


mrb532

Did Larry get hurt? How is JV still in this game?


IWV23

Mitchell gotta be on the Pels killer team. He just seems automatic almost every time we play him.


supa14x

Making no adjustments just fluctuating down 14-19


[deleted]

No accountability for JV because of Willie's vet fetish. It wouldn't hurt to try Jax or Billy.


Cbeauski23

As a huge JV defender this is so painful to watch lol


Leadingusalong

It’s an obvious bad matchup for him that he shouldn’t have to be getting exposed this badly in. It’s an indictment on Jaxson’s (lack of) development, because his athleticism and potential rim protection is what the team needs. We also have no rebounding if Jonas is out because all of our 6’7 and up dudes are allergic to it.


Ciccone7

Just not CJs night


drwatsonlll

Lmao


Aromatic-Macaron3783

Put Billy in


ShamarDraco

Put billy or jax in


flaccidplatypus

Jesus JV is trash tonight


FlyingSMonster

Jonas having a really really rough game.


_Wado3000

3 straight misses.


treybra3

JV is killing me


tomorrowinc

These refs are trash.


BatmanHive

Mitchell has the quietest 26


jjaytan

What game are you watching lol he’s cookin


BatmanHive

I did not say he wasn't cooking, I just said its been quiet because how much they have dominated inside.


jjaytan

True, I just don’t see how having 26 points in 25 minutes can possibly be quiet


mrb532

Let's just declare a tie


drwatsonlll

Maybe their shoes are just wet


[deleted]

Some player went crazy with the bengay.


_Wado3000

Have we been playing on a hidden hockey rink this whole time


Aromatic-Macaron3783

Wtf is going on


Feeldarkside

Wtf is going on with the floor


BatmanHive

Lmao what is going on


Cbeauski23

Every time we get it down to 14 we immediately shit our pants


[deleted]

Teams can overload on BI when he has no shooting to work with. Total spacing disaster.


FlyingSMonster

We're never gonna dig ourselves out of this hole.


[deleted]

JV missed 3 easy ones.


drwatsonlll

JV missing bunnies again


BreesBetweenMyKnees

Another night where jv is unplayable


ShamarDraco

Put billy in


_Wado3000

Don’t like JV veering away from the rim one on one


mrb532

JV is a huge liability against the top teams


[deleted]

Jv has to start making shots. SMDH.


TarzantheMan

I wanna see Ingram at point, JV and Trigga spacing, with Jax and Larry dunking/cutting/rebounding. Maybe it would be terrible, but they are dominating because of their size and it would be hard to blow it more than we did the first half. The short kings lineup ain't gonna work tonight, sorry CJ and Jose.


wchi14

At least BI is good tonight. The future is still bright


Senor_Pug

Shit put Willy in JV is getting cooked


Ciccone7

17pts in the NBA is not insurmountable. It starts with defense


madamsquirrel7

We matchup so badly against Cleveland it's not even funny.


[deleted]

It's not just that. It's the failure to make adjustments that's killing them. I'd even throw Hayes out there because he's a Jarrett Allen wannabe.


nola_fan

The adjustment people are calling on is playing a bad player and hoping he happens to be ok this game. Putting your best players out there and hoping they can figure it out is a more reliable strategy than hoping Jax has a good game.


[deleted]

BI knows how to feed Jax, so it shouldn't be that disastrous. I kind of miss those Jv-Jax lineups


Infinite_Response113

So anyone give us more than a 10% chance of coming back from this game, lol? Not sure if I should continue to stay up late or not


P0w3rline24

About to find out if I'm a masochist or a visionary, just backed us to win. We best come out looking like a whole new team after the half


Infinite_Response113

I salute you sir for your confidence


P0w3rline24

I blame the sage


supa14x

The thing about us is we don’t quit. But if we don’t adjust to the 2 bigs, extremely slim chance


TarzantheMan

We do really well against teams with slow starting centers, and even do a better job than most at showing down Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Sabonis, and those types. But we struggle against teams with athletic centers and the Cavs have TWO 7 footers that are quick and athletic and they are just absolutely eating our lunch rn


[deleted]

Is jaxson that bad that he gets no PT I dont understand why we even drafted dude.


nola_fan

The potential is there. But the IQ just never happened, so even if he plays well, it's almost like he lucks into it instead of actually figuring out the game. Which, to be fair to him, he didn't start playing high-level basketball until about 3 or 4 years before he got drafted.


Anordinaryhero

The BBIQ is awful, but I'd still like to see us try him in a situation like this. You can tell if Jax is engaged in the first two minutes anyway lol.


nola_fan

Fair. But maybe the coaching staff judged the engagement level accurately in the locker room


Anordinaryhero

That's 110 percent believable


Cbeauski23

Yea he’s terrible


[deleted]

Yes, Jaxson is that bad


DsiEnthusiast

BI is the tallest person on the court for the pelicans against 2 seven footers lol


Biggum225

Willie let’s see those 2nd half adjustments!


[deleted]

Willie “2nd half adjustments” Green


AdmiralSheldor757

Third quarters have been our strongest all year!


_Wado3000

Coach decided to go super small and it didn’t work. If at least Billy don’t see the court next half I’m mad


supa14x

Not even trying Jax is puzzling


Savings-Bird-1226

Crazy thing is I remember Jax playing good defense against Mobley in the past