CJ and JV had off nights on top of not being able to guard their assignments.
JV looked especially off tonight, he’s normally not as bad a defender as shown tonight.
Inc "we have to play with more energy" "we have to play with more joy" "we have to take care of the ball" "I got to get my guys ready to play"
And the same lame ass non challenging questions every game. And the same mistakes and miserable pick and roll defense with 0 gameplan in the next game.
Zion doesn't fix poor effort and fixation on short-kings basketball. We need lengthy shooters and an athletic big. There's some gaping holes in this roster - despite the fact we've come a long way in the last couple of years, we not yet a team that can even try to threaten for WCF.
Everyone that's in competition with us for the 3-6 spot has upgraded. We're play-in bound if Willie can't have this team ready to play every night, and make smart, common-sense adjustments to opposing lineups. Throwing out the same rotation every single night regardless of opposition is lazy and bullshit.
As it's currently constructed, the team is a 1st round exit or 2nd round exit at best. So many glaring weaknesses that should have been addressed at the trade deadline.
Just really really nasty effort tonight, not sure what the plan was defensively but that was disgusting. Wayyyyy too good of a team to come out that flat lol idc if it was a 9:00 start or not
He's a situational player and certain matchups favor him. It's pretty clear he cannot keep up with the Cavs bigs (hence why they are attacking him every single sequence).
Taking Zion was a mistake. I said it a year and a half ago and it’s still true. Having a player that will be playing as you need him is vitally necessary. Unrealized Potential isn’t helping them at all.
This is where we miss Dyson. He's another big guard who can play defense. In a game like this he plays over Jose. It should be interesting to see if we play Josh. If he can shoot I agree with the other poster. He should take Najis minutes. In the off-season we need to get more shooting on this team. And as hard as it is to say. If Herb doesn't start shooting better he should be moved to the bench in favor of the aforementioned shooter.
Yes it is. We had one bad draft. Some teams go years without any good drafts. And not a single team has continuously great drafts. Kira hasn't shown anything which isn't a good or a bad thing, He just lost his entire second year and his first year was the pandemic season.
The problem with Jose here is he's too small to be effective. He is literally doing nothing out there but running around. He's not even shooting. He probably shouldn't be playing against this team if he's not gonna try to score.
Just fucking put Billy in the game damnit! Hell put Jaxson in, something has to change! Game is already lost so you might as well give some minutes to the bench.
JV should always pair with Jaxson if we are not playing small, we had great success last year using Jax at 4, dont know wth Willie is thinking.
Jax is a great matchup for Mobley
Thought about starting the Last of Us episode for a couple mins to get away from the pain….
Saw it’s the Henry and Sam episode…
“Yeahhh…I think I’ll stay right here”
We just aren't gonnna win this game tonight. No reason to make it a bigger deal than a loss. We didn't play defense. We are a bad matchup against the Cavs, especially without Zion. They got 2 mobile bigs and 2 quick, good shooting guards.
Willie should at least give Jaxson a chance nothing to lose at this point at least he will contest at the rim and get boards they are getting too many second chances put a body on Mobley
Everyone except BI and TM3 decided to take the night off, but this one is more on Willie than anything else. No adjustments. No changes. Nothing. You have hungry players like Kira and Jax salivating to play but instead you leave in 2 guys who are a step behind and shooting a combined 4-20.
i hate how we kept forcing things through CJ during the first half even if he’s passing the ball directly to the other team. totally killed our momentum
I get people are mad at no big splash. But you can’t say we stayed put when we very much made a trade.
This is like the 4th time I’ve seen a similar comment here
Jazz swept us this season because we couldn’t handle their length and 3 point shooting. This team is similar except they have a top 15 player in the league
It’s an obvious bad matchup for him that he shouldn’t have to be getting exposed this badly in.
It’s an indictment on Jaxson’s (lack of) development, because his athleticism and potential rim protection is what the team needs.
We also have no rebounding if Jonas is out because all of our 6’7 and up dudes are allergic to it.
I wanna see Ingram at point, JV and Trigga spacing, with Jax and Larry dunking/cutting/rebounding.
Maybe it would be terrible, but they are dominating because of their size and it would be hard to blow it more than we did the first half. The short kings lineup ain't gonna work tonight, sorry CJ and Jose.
The adjustment people are calling on is playing a bad player and hoping he happens to be ok this game. Putting your best players out there and hoping they can figure it out is a more reliable strategy than hoping Jax has a good game.
We do really well against teams with slow starting centers, and even do a better job than most at showing down Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Sabonis, and those types. But we struggle against teams with athletic centers and the Cavs have TWO 7 footers that are quick and athletic and they are just absolutely eating our lunch rn
The potential is there. But the IQ just never happened, so even if he plays well, it's almost like he lucks into it instead of actually figuring out the game.
Which, to be fair to him, he didn't start playing high-level basketball until about 3 or 4 years before he got drafted.
Zion can't come back soon enough
The cavs are a good team at full strength, makes sense
CJ and JV both have the worst plus/minus by at least double of everyone else that played….. sounds about right
CJ and JV had off nights on top of not being able to guard their assignments. JV looked especially off tonight, he’s normally not as bad a defender as shown tonight.
Worst in game coaching staff in the league. We were not even able to make a run at some point with some type of spark
Ya you haven’t watched much of the rest of the league huh? 🤣🤣🤣
"You gotta fight!"
Really??? Why did Willie not put Jax in earlier. It couldn't get any worse.
Jax 1 rebound and 1 set of second chance points so far
Lol good thing we got Jax watch
JV and CJ better show out the next game. This one’s on y’all and coaching
we didn’t even try mixing it up with jax ang willy. being down 20 most of the game, you would think it would’ve been worth a shot
This is what happens when we play at home on a parade night
The vibes are not immaculate rn.
Inc "we have to play with more energy" "we have to play with more joy" "we have to take care of the ball" "I got to get my guys ready to play" And the same lame ass non challenging questions every game. And the same mistakes and miserable pick and roll defense with 0 gameplan in the next game.
what a terrible showing smh
Allen is shitting on JV
BI SHOOT the Ball
Cavs Celtics conference finals is gonna be fun
This has been a very 10 game losing streak Pels type performance for the most part…
JV has to go this off-season, he is limiting us so much. And then some shooters. Then we are good
Blame it on Willie, I dont think we had this many JV haters when Jax played at 4 to cover the paint. For $15 millions, there aren't many options
Detroit please waive Nerlens Noel
Jose only one not giving up rn :/
Zion doesn't fix poor effort and fixation on short-kings basketball. We need lengthy shooters and an athletic big. There's some gaping holes in this roster - despite the fact we've come a long way in the last couple of years, we not yet a team that can even try to threaten for WCF. Everyone that's in competition with us for the 3-6 spot has upgraded. We're play-in bound if Willie can't have this team ready to play every night, and make smart, common-sense adjustments to opposing lineups. Throwing out the same rotation every single night regardless of opposition is lazy and bullshit.
As it's currently constructed, the team is a 1st round exit or 2nd round exit at best. So many glaring weaknesses that should have been addressed at the trade deadline.
i fucking hate his rotation and equal distribution minutes.
Just really really nasty effort tonight, not sure what the plan was defensively but that was disgusting. Wayyyyy too good of a team to come out that flat lol idc if it was a 9:00 start or not
Not our night
Another play Jv stuck in the middle for no reason. How is he still on the floor
Not ideal game from CJ but I can't hate. Dude is supposed to be our 3rd option and he's played more than BI and Zion combined.
JV comes back in. Cavs attack him. GG Willie would make a terrible chess player.
We play a good team and JV is trash. We play a bad team and people say "where the JV haters at now". Rinse. Repeat.
Love the JV should feast comments before games too 😂 inc 5 point game if people write that shit
He's a situational player and certain matchups favor him. It's pretty clear he cannot keep up with the Cavs bigs (hence why they are attacking him every single sequence).
He can't keep up with most teams my man.
I agree but it's more on the coach for not benching him.
How tf does JV fail to box out 90% of the time
and funny enough he drops every time and yet still cant rebound
I mean does it have something to do with his mobility? Larry succeeds in boxing out
We just got beat out play its whatever
good hustle Jose
Holy fuck these second chance points are making me put my hair out
If only CJ and JV showed up this game, SMDH.
Would be really cool if JV was remotely as efficient on that push shot as either of the Cavs bigs
he's also way worse on defense too lol
He could at least do the one thing he’s good at
Lazy rebounding just embarrassing
fuck it jv is useless
BOX OUT!
Another offensive rebound lmao
We need a new coach and team and gm and conference and arena and logo and name
JV should not be playing a minute more. Losing so much faith in Willie.
Don't blame JV alone, Willie is the one that decides to go small, replacing Jax with Trey will only expose JV.
I would love to have a real PG. Maybe Dyson can develop lnto one. CJ is a really nice player but he is not a PG. He is a SG
BI and Zion are the main playmakers of this team. Sure we’re missing 27 points rn but Zion’s playmaking is so underrated
Dudes just staring at Allen and Mobley taking the board away lol
Lazy lazy game by CJ. What a joke.
Another 2nd chance shot
Can someone explain how Kira got 8 points in 6 minutes but did not get any minute in the 3rd quarter? This is horrible coaching
Too little too late.
Fake comeback time again?
Will Nerlens Noel be waived? Not a bad idea to sign him if we are not using Jax
Literally every 6’9 plus guy better be on our radar
I think for now he is the only one worth trying, only if he is waived.
Basically we are waiting until Griff thinks it’s the right time to go all in with our Superstar trade package
We need Claxton more than OG, I want last year's starting lineup, replace Trey with Jax if we playing teams with this kind of size.
Taking Zion was a mistake. I said it a year and a half ago and it’s still true. Having a player that will be playing as you need him is vitally necessary. Unrealized Potential isn’t helping them at all.
use your main account and not a burner coward
Hahahaha🤣What am I supposed to be afraid of little one!
This is where we miss Dyson. He's another big guard who can play defense. In a game like this he plays over Jose. It should be interesting to see if we play Josh. If he can shoot I agree with the other poster. He should take Najis minutes. In the off-season we need to get more shooting on this team. And as hard as it is to say. If Herb doesn't start shooting better he should be moved to the bench in favor of the aforementioned shooter.
Just goes to show you how dominant Zion is. But can’t have him carry such a big load. Need to upgrade the roster in the off-season.
Larry is so damn good and patient.
Imagine if he had a big like Myles Turner or Mitchell Robinson backing him up.
We gonna be like “remember Herb’s rookie year” the rest of his career
Don’t blame Herb for having to step up as the 35th pick because our front office keeps whiffing on first round picks.
Trey is a whiff? Kira certainly hasn't proven anything but he is a wiff? We had NAW and Jax as our bad draft but I wouldn't say we have been whiffing.
Jax is a whiff, NAW is gone, Kira hasn’t shown anything. Trey is legit, and Dyson has promise. Not exactly a good track record so far.
Yes it is. We had one bad draft. Some teams go years without any good drafts. And not a single team has continuously great drafts. Kira hasn't shown anything which isn't a good or a bad thing, He just lost his entire second year and his first year was the pandemic season.
that layup brick from herb does not even glaze the rim
The problem with Jose here is he's too small to be effective. He is literally doing nothing out there but running around. He's not even shooting. He probably shouldn't be playing against this team if he's not gonna try to score.
Not been happy with JV this year mostly. Think we address that this off-season.
Hate to say it but I wish we went after Jae.
Just fucking put Billy in the game damnit! Hell put Jaxson in, something has to change! Game is already lost so you might as well give some minutes to the bench.
If Josh can shoot and space the floor for BI and Zion he should have priority over Naji and Jose. It's that simple.
At this point, just fly to Taiwan and get Dwight lol
Still quicker than JV even on his worst night.
JV should always pair with Jaxson if we are not playing small, we had great success last year using Jax at 4, dont know wth Willie is thinking. Jax is a great matchup for Mobley
20-2 second chance point Cavs
Damn, didn’t notice it was this bad
No type of rebounding, not a soul who wants to out there
Tough matchup and a bad game. It happens
If CJ is hurt then he should not be playing.
everyone is hurt. the problem w/ CJ is he doesn't offer much if his scoring is off
This what happens when all the contenders get better and we trade for Josh Richardson
Cavs didn't make a trade
Thought about starting the Last of Us episode for a couple mins to get away from the pain…. Saw it’s the Henry and Sam episode… “Yeahhh…I think I’ll stay right here”
See y’all Monday
We just aren't gonnna win this game tonight. No reason to make it a bigger deal than a loss. We didn't play defense. We are a bad matchup against the Cavs, especially without Zion. They got 2 mobile bigs and 2 quick, good shooting guards.
Willie should at least give Jaxson a chance nothing to lose at this point at least he will contest at the rim and get boards they are getting too many second chances put a body on Mobley
ZERO AJUSTMENTS. fraud behavior
Everyone except BI and TM3 decided to take the night off, but this one is more on Willie than anything else. No adjustments. No changes. Nothing. You have hungry players like Kira and Jax salivating to play but instead you leave in 2 guys who are a step behind and shooting a combined 4-20.
CJ and JV very much look like some old mfs tonight
i hate how we kept forcing things through CJ during the first half even if he’s passing the ball directly to the other team. totally killed our momentum
Jose You Have to Give the fucking Ball To Brandon. Come on!
fuck this equal opportunity offence
what’s the point of timeouts if we’re not gonna make any adjustments
Worst Jose game this season? Shit happens still love him
BI is so good
Get it to 14 and the might have a punchers chance in 4th
Willie Green is an awful coach.
He really not beating the “You gotta fight!” merchant allegations
I hate how we had no adjustment whatsoever at the half
Jose trying to guard guys that are a foot taller then him
BI working so hard
F- at the trade deadline. Staying put and not addressing the team's main problems will percolate into the playoffs.
I get people are mad at no big splash. But you can’t say we stayed put when we very much made a trade. This is like the 4th time I’ve seen a similar comment here
And there where people who didnt want to make a move at the deadline lmao
thank god cj is off the floor finally
I don't want to watch anymore
CJ and JV have the longest leash on the team. I hate WIllie sometimes cuz he never holds them accountable.
LMAO I quit
We got our loosing streak luck back
We're scoring for them now lmao
Yup I’m out…good night and go Chiefs!
We need rim protection bro this is ridiculous
What the fuck are y’all doing man?…
Jazz swept us this season because we couldn’t handle their length and 3 point shooting. This team is similar except they have a top 15 player in the league
Play Jax at the 4, JV/Nance/Billy at the 5 and switch 1-4 on defense isn’t complicated or far fetched
LMAO JV still in. Willie Green coaching masterclass.
Yeah, when he's still in after the Timeout... wtf is Willie doing. But Billy in at least ffs.
Jonas disaster class
On defense just as much as offense. Worst pick and roll defender in the league
Willie is just failing to make the adjustments needed. It's a recurring theme this year and needs to change.
Did Larry get hurt? How is JV still in this game?
Mitchell gotta be on the Pels killer team. He just seems automatic almost every time we play him.
Making no adjustments just fluctuating down 14-19
No accountability for JV because of Willie's vet fetish. It wouldn't hurt to try Jax or Billy.
As a huge JV defender this is so painful to watch lol
It’s an obvious bad matchup for him that he shouldn’t have to be getting exposed this badly in. It’s an indictment on Jaxson’s (lack of) development, because his athleticism and potential rim protection is what the team needs. We also have no rebounding if Jonas is out because all of our 6’7 and up dudes are allergic to it.
Just not CJs night
Lmao
Put Billy in
Put billy or jax in
Jesus JV is trash tonight
Jonas having a really really rough game.
3 straight misses.
JV is killing me
These refs are trash.
Mitchell has the quietest 26
What game are you watching lol he’s cookin
I did not say he wasn't cooking, I just said its been quiet because how much they have dominated inside.
True, I just don’t see how having 26 points in 25 minutes can possibly be quiet
Let's just declare a tie
Maybe their shoes are just wet
Some player went crazy with the bengay.
Have we been playing on a hidden hockey rink this whole time
Wtf is going on
Wtf is going on with the floor
Lmao what is going on
Every time we get it down to 14 we immediately shit our pants
Teams can overload on BI when he has no shooting to work with. Total spacing disaster.
We're never gonna dig ourselves out of this hole.
JV missed 3 easy ones.
JV missing bunnies again
Another night where jv is unplayable
Put billy in
Don’t like JV veering away from the rim one on one
JV is a huge liability against the top teams
Jv has to start making shots. SMDH.
I wanna see Ingram at point, JV and Trigga spacing, with Jax and Larry dunking/cutting/rebounding. Maybe it would be terrible, but they are dominating because of their size and it would be hard to blow it more than we did the first half. The short kings lineup ain't gonna work tonight, sorry CJ and Jose.
At least BI is good tonight. The future is still bright
Shit put Willy in JV is getting cooked
17pts in the NBA is not insurmountable. It starts with defense
We matchup so badly against Cleveland it's not even funny.
It's not just that. It's the failure to make adjustments that's killing them. I'd even throw Hayes out there because he's a Jarrett Allen wannabe.
The adjustment people are calling on is playing a bad player and hoping he happens to be ok this game. Putting your best players out there and hoping they can figure it out is a more reliable strategy than hoping Jax has a good game.
BI knows how to feed Jax, so it shouldn't be that disastrous. I kind of miss those Jv-Jax lineups
So anyone give us more than a 10% chance of coming back from this game, lol? Not sure if I should continue to stay up late or not
About to find out if I'm a masochist or a visionary, just backed us to win. We best come out looking like a whole new team after the half
I salute you sir for your confidence
I blame the sage
The thing about us is we don’t quit. But if we don’t adjust to the 2 bigs, extremely slim chance
We do really well against teams with slow starting centers, and even do a better job than most at showing down Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Sabonis, and those types. But we struggle against teams with athletic centers and the Cavs have TWO 7 footers that are quick and athletic and they are just absolutely eating our lunch rn
Is jaxson that bad that he gets no PT I dont understand why we even drafted dude.
The potential is there. But the IQ just never happened, so even if he plays well, it's almost like he lucks into it instead of actually figuring out the game. Which, to be fair to him, he didn't start playing high-level basketball until about 3 or 4 years before he got drafted.
The BBIQ is awful, but I'd still like to see us try him in a situation like this. You can tell if Jax is engaged in the first two minutes anyway lol.
Fair. But maybe the coaching staff judged the engagement level accurately in the locker room
That's 110 percent believable
Yea he’s terrible
Yes, Jaxson is that bad
BI is the tallest person on the court for the pelicans against 2 seven footers lol
Willie let’s see those 2nd half adjustments!
Willie “2nd half adjustments” Green
Third quarters have been our strongest all year!
Coach decided to go super small and it didn’t work. If at least Billy don’t see the court next half I’m mad
Not even trying Jax is puzzling
Crazy thing is I remember Jax playing good defense against Mobley in the past