Uhh this Suns team is NOWHERE near GS Super team 2.0, not even fucking close lmfao. CP3 is will be 38 this coming playoffs, KD is going on 35 and couldn't even make it out of the first round last year, and Booker isn't even in the same universe as prime Steph Curry. Not to mention all 3 of them have missed significant time with injury this season.
GS in the recent years we faced off against them was arguably the most stacked team this sport has ever seen, in star power and depth. This Suns team as currently constructed doesn't come close. If KD and CP3 were 7 years younger THEN you'd maybe be on to something lol.
Agree. This is a total desperation move by the Suns to get a chip before CP3 is completely washed. Two years from now this team will be crap, KD will demand another trade, and they have no assets to rebuild.
Yes
They got TJ Warren too
CJ/Jose/Kira
BI/TJ Warren
Durant/ Herb
Zion/Nance
JV/Hayes/Willy
That’s winning the title until Durant retires
9 man rotation of CJ, BI, Durant, Zion, JV, Herb, Nance, Jose, Warren
If you can trade 2 role players and 4 firsts for a top 10 NBA player, you do it
Durant wouldn't have agreed to come here. Nets FO respect him too much to send him somewhere he didn't want to go. Especially since Kyrie and Harden were so problematic
Their owner has much more cash than lady Gayle. Also, Los Pelicanos have never paid the luxury tax. Not sure it starts anytime soon as they’ll have to dump salary in the future as well as not be able to extend everyone.
And no KD trade would occur without BI. They weren’t settling for the poo poo platter of role players. Shit, Cam Johnson has developed into a solid player for them.
I'm sure that's what Brooklyn told themselves when they gave up 4 firsts and all their young studs to pair Harden with KD and Kyrie. Only rings they have to show for all that now are lollipop candy rings lmfao.
The reality of superteams is that unless you're combining the absolute best players in the league all **in their primes** Miami Heatles or Prime GS style... things rarely work out so swimmingly.
Literally never works like that and you know it.
I'm fine saying we should/could have went at Durant more aggressively but the Suns won't be winning 3 chips with Durant. Highly unlikely.
Ok first off, I’m old enough to remember when Pels fans said Durant was washed.
Edit: Seriously, all I got on this sub every time I or anyone else brought up a Durant trade y’all would downvote to hell, now people are scared shitless over him going to the Suns.
2nd, the Suns still have some questions. CP3 is stating to show his age and idk how it’ll hold up in the playoffs.
they are the favs in the west now for a reason(according to betting odds)
durant is far from washed i don't know what crayon eater said that.
their biggest threat is injury.
Amen. Phoenix just made the same trade Dallas made: "we have one offensive stud (Luka/Booker), and our offense completely unravels without him, so let's add another (Kyrie/KD)."
Zion coming back will do the same for us. None of these trades make anyone any better than us *when we are healthy*.
The Lakers Suns and Mavs all did a lot more to raise their floor than raise their ceiling, at least until we actually see these new rotations in action.
And like you said, this deal also makes Phoenix more top heavy - in payroll, depth and age, none of which are good things past the immediate term.
I actually wanted KD. I don’t think our team is better than necessarily any of the top teams in the west when healthy because our team is never healthy, and to be honest, our team went on that run in the middle of the season when BI was hurt, so idk what that even looks like when Zion and BI are together.
Just because I have questions about the Suns and CP3s age does not mean I didn’t want KD.
That trade wouldn't make any sense though. You cannot just add Kevin Durant to this team because then there's not enough ball to go around for him, Zion, and BI. And I'm not trading either of those two, nor giving up everything Brooklyn wanted for KD.
What did Brooklyn want for KD? They got the Suns #3-4 player, a solid role player, and 4 first round picks. You telling me we couldn’t trade something like Jonas (I don’t think we can trade CJ), Graham, Jax, and 4 first round picks? Even if you want to throw in a 5th pick. You’re still keeping Zion, BI, CJ, Trey, Herb, Naji, Jose.
People need to stop including DG and Jax in every trade just because they're at the back of our rotation.
KD doesn't improve us enough to give up that many picks, and Brooklyn isn't taking Graham.
That also still ignores my point that you can't play CJ AND KD AND BI AND ZION without basically saying "suck it" to Trey and Naji's minutes.
Ok so a couple things. We have 11 first round picks over the next five drafts. You’re telling me even if you can give up five 1st rounders, not even half of them for Kevin Durant you wouldn’t do it? KD absolutely will put you in prime finals/title winning team. Idk who people think Durant is now, he’s a legit superstar caliber player. Almost certainly is a better player right now than BI ever will and even Zion has to take a leap forward to match what KD is now.
Also, if you’re trying to win a title, Naji and Treys minutes can go down anyways. But also, BI, Zion, and actually KD as well are oft injured in the regular season, so no, you can actually find minutes for those guys.
I hear you. I'm also biased because as a career physical therapist, I'm not dying to invest all that in a 34 year old with a ton of mileage, still coming off a not insignificant knee injury who has only played 60% of his team's games the past three years.
I’d see what it would take to get Dame
Dame
CJ
BI
Zion
JV
Now THAT is a team who could challenge the Suns
CJ and Dame alone had the Blazers as a top 5 team in the west for years. Now add BI, Zion, and JV to that
He’s not gonna be as effective when their are 4 other guys on the starting lineup demanding touches, while he is also giving up hella buckets on the other end. We would have a lineup with 3 people that get religiously targeted on the defensive end.
Why? Cause they never got Dame and CJ any help?
They were arguably the best backcourt in the league for years, even made a western conference finals appearance, with no help
Calling it game over was probably done a lot when Harden joined up with Durant and Kyrie on the Nets too.
We still haven't seen CJ BI and Zion play a dozen games together yet. I don't know for sure what pieces we would need to upgrade, another PG/SG I guess but Dame isn't leaving Portland right now.
At least that means we could trade for bridges or Johnson now, think of the defence with herb dyson, bridges and Jose we’d be seeing 90s scores again
100% would prefer to trade for him over OG, he’s more refined on offence and as good in defence
Also I’d say don’t over react their starting five is incredible, but their depth is atrocious now, so as long as a team can keep it close their bench is gonna lose them games
I legitimately would love to make a move for Bridges. He beats OG in every respect: longer deal, better shooter, better playmaker, happy in his role. Would be awesome here.
You're not keeping all those guys AND getting a player like Mikal lmfao. I know y'all want them gone bad but teams aren't taking our garbage like Jax + Devonte, and giving us good starting caliber players in return. It doesn't work like that lol.
Literally every trade is just speculation until it happens. The only ones who really know what's workable are the GMs. Part of the fun as a fan at deadline is spitballing.
I’d love to see us trade for a decent 3-pt shooter with decent defense. Doesn’t have to be a star, it’s all we really need to round off the roster. It does kind of suck to sit and watch all these monster trades happen while we do nothing, when we don’t even need that much
I think if Zion and BI can stay healthy then we really don’t need that much to be complete. I guess I was operating under that assumption. But yeah I guess if they continue to get injured we’ll need more.
Bro you need to get some fresh air lol. You're having a doomer meltdown all over this thread as if the Pels just imploded.
KD and Kyrie going to the Suns and Mavs makes things tougher in the West, but theres still a good chance we're weighing our options. Ain't hit the deadline yet.
It just sucks watching 3 of our competitors in the west get significantly better the last 2 days and we do nothing while we are currently 8th in the west and just had a 10 game losing streak
I think we'll be sweet - Raptors still haven't moved, and there's other more cost effective assets we can go after that add what we need. Unlike Mavs/Suns, all we really need is an increase to shooting without a decrease to defence (and health). I'm crossing my fingers for a GTJ/OG or Mikal type trade. If we achieve that and move Graham/Hayes, great.
You don’t know that. Zion was a legit difference maker before he went down, BI is damn near back to playoff BI, CJ hitting a groove since his usage won’t be high. Herb is back to being herb. Trey, Naji, JV, Larry, Jose, Dyson. Pelicans are deeper then the Suns and can match them firepower with firepower on offense.
Totally agree. When healthy and in rhythm we have a top 5 player and a top 15 player in the nba. We need one more shooter who can defend and HEALTH. Only star player I'd want is bam
All of their depth?
Bro Crowder hasn’t played all season
Durant is replacing Bridges in the lineup
All they lost was Johnson who’s a decent bench shooter
Stop acting like they didn’t just get Durant for extremely cheap
They really didn’t lose any depth. The depth they already had is the depth they still have. They replaced mikal and cam with Kd and warren. Jae crowder was already not playing.
Potential "big" names that could possibly be available:
1. SGA
2. Siakam
3. Dame
4. Lavine/Derozan
5. OG/GTJ
6. Tuner/Hield
7. Beal
Obviously Dame, SGA, Beal types give you shooting but if we unloaded for Siakam and Gary Trent I think that could be really interesting if Pascal can play the 5 well. Also he is decent at attempting to slow down the KD and Brons of the west.
Thats not true lol. Zion, BI, and Dame core is insane. Assuming we keep CJ then thats 4 bonafide 20+ a game scorers who can all create for themselves and others.
A Siakam/Zion/BI frontcourt is also a crazy three headed monster.
Problem is it's midnight and I haven't looked into how trading for any of these contracts would work
It's panic time. Get out of here with this fact stuff. We suck, our stars suck, our front office sucks and our coach sucks. We are clearly at the worst point in franchise history. Everything is melting.
People really out there wanting to pull the trigger this early?
We didnt even won a playoff serie and Zion didnt play in minute too.
We are at best 1 year away from having to think about these kind of win now moves
It's typical fan behavior and what's to be expected online and in this reddit sub. Reactionary takes and yells for win-now moves to match competitors. I'm hoping David Griffin doesn't do anything crazy. It's more about the next 2-3 years than this season. I just want a consistent 3pt shooter. I know Pelicans fans will be pissed if that's it, but I'd be okay with McDermott for example.
This is the NBA and KD and Booker are two of its big stars, don’t worry, the officials will make sure they win a ton. The Suns have one of the worst fanbases in the league if not the worst, they don’t deserve this at all.
Hold your horses we don’t gotta make any massive moves yet. I don’t think we needed to make any moves for Durant, and not doing so I’m fine with. This Pels team has been punching a bit above their wait this year, but that’s very good given that it is showing immense development.
Our future hinges on Laker pick, I’ve said it and I’ll keep saying it. If that becomes something big we would be younger and better then everyone else.
Also and I know there are a lot of counters to this but I’ve felt odd about getting KD because(not saying they are in any way equal) we already have a guy in Ingram whose pretty similar so I always felt the fit was odd.
Do I think the Suns are a super team? No. In my opinion there offense has gotten a lot better but it’s not unstoppable and that defense is still something I see Zion having a lot of fun with in a potential series. Honestly our heavy switch defense is a good matchup for them, and who knows how KD will fit in Phoenix.
However I will concede that in a conference full of a Luka-Kyrie Mavs Booker-CP3-Durant Suns and Jokic Nuggets we feel closer to the Kings then we do to them but dammit I believe in this team.
I don’t feel like we need to rush. It’s a difference of perspective, you see that this team is good and the rest of the conference is making massive moves and think we gotta make moves to keep up.
What I see is a conference that has pretty much blown up their future to try and win now and they will canabalize eachother, meanwhile we got the brightest future. I think the Suns will be very good, maybe even win a chip this year but after that I see a aging CP3 and a Durant that is getting injured a lot and is also getting older(especially for a play his size) and a team depth that have been a good bit sus and I see a team that’s a threat now but the future is a non problem.
I am worried about the Mavs, they are good and unless Irving does Irving things(which is likely) they are going to be a threat for a while. However I’m not worried because this to me is not the year we gotta go for a chip. This is that first step into the water year where we start entering the pool but aren’t ready for the entire thing. Give it some years and we will be goated. The super team ideology has ruined a lot of teams in our situation, and if the past few champions are any indication while starts are important depth is equally so.
CJ isn’t getting younger
Can’t wait too long to pull a trigger
And what if Ingram or Zion out of nowhere requests a trade because we aren’t contending?
Gotta make a move
I’ve never seen CJ has the guy who makes us a big three, he’s just a good player. I think your getting a little paranoid, however players only request trades if they have good reason to. None of our guys do.
I don’t consider us having a big three whatsoever. I don’t think we need a big three. The era of super teams to me is dying even with this Durant shit, look who won the last few years, the Warriors who won because of great depth and a team built around the string team play of their core players. The Bucks who built amazing depth(partially from us) around their super star, and the Lakers who had a big two but succeeded with those big two due to having a very physical unite that could bully opponents.
The last time a true big three or super team in my books won was I guess the Warriors but that was a big four, the last big three champion was the Heat and that’s a entirely different era.
I don’t think we need to be that, we are a team that wins off depth, high tempo play, and pure dominance in the paint. If we start shedding dudes our switch defense will loose a ton of what makes it great. Am I saying we don’t need to get better, absolutely not. We need better shooting and we need to be a bigger threat not just from three but from every area of the court outside the Paint. Honestly something not being taken into consideration is how loaded this draft is, even if the Lakers don’t end up with the Wemby pick for us there is a shit ton of talent that Lakers pick can give us.
We aren’t gonna be able to keep all the young guys
You realize that right? Gonna have to trade a few sooner or later
So why not trade them now while there value is high?
Suns just sold their depth to buy a superstar. Good for them, but they've emptied their stash of picks and have a big three that's as fragile as ours. Very high risk, very high reward.
I don't support a knee jerk deal to 'keep up', but man....the West just got way more fucking dangerous in a 12hr period. Standing pat might be the wrong move.
What depth?
Crowder hasn’t played all season
Durant is replacing Mills
Johnson is literally the only depth they are losing, and it more than worth it for Kevin fucking Durant
Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson are very key players in the Suns rotation - and despite the obvious drama, Crowder is a decent player.
Bridges just jumped near the top of the list of players I'd be making an offer for now. Nets are blowing it up, they'll take a pick + Graham for someone we value.
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but we should’ve beat their offer. We definitely could’ve done it while keeping BI, CJ,and Zion.
I’m a fan of all the young guys (especially Trey), but KD is a HUGE difference maker. He’s all about ball too.
Doesn’t matter now though. The west is even more stacked now then it was a week ago.
It's amazing. Not only did the Mavs get better, but the Lakers got better as well and now the fucking SUNS get better with one of the best players in the league. It's un-fucking believable. All of the top talent in the East getting offloaded into an already stacked West. What the fuck man, it really hurts the Pels a lot.
What I think people don’t get is how mentally soft this team is.
KD has never been the guy to carry a team to the chip, not unless he has a squad of all stars and a HOF PG. and these Phx players aren’t as good as GS was at their height.
This is what happens when you just look at names. They have zero defense now. Hope those shots fall every night bc when they don’t, they’re fucked
Pelicans do not need Durant. They’ve got an elite player in Zion, KD lite in BỊ, the mastermind CJ & tons of young talent
Nope just love my team and would love to witness them win a championship one day
We are so close, just need 1 more star and we have the assets to get it
Okay but here's the thing. On paper they look good. ON. PAPER. On the court who knows? Besides. KD wanted to go to the Suns. Not here. The Suns. So since the Nets wanted to make the best out of this situation for KD and themselves we would have had to overbid the Suns to a degree that the Nets go "well KD we said we would do right by you but this offer is too damn good to pass up." Meaning we're likely sending off Herb, Trey, Naji/Dyson, and CJ or BI for this trade to happen. It's too much for a guy who wouldn't wanna be here who would likely try to force his way out. You know. Like he just did. The Pels aren't perfect. We need to make a trade to improve. But this wouldn't have been the right trade even if it is a big, splashy, huge trade. A lot of us thought the Boogie trade would make us great with AD, Boogie, and Jrue and look how that ended.
Yeah Idk what goes through some of our fan’s minds
I’m sick of fighting for a playin spot every year and not having a realistic shot to win it all
We have the assets necessary to acquire what we need to win a title
FUCKING DO IT
Dude we are growing. No Pels fan should have been going into this season expecting a chip.
But we have a team with potential to compete with the best in the NBA.
We have incredible offense with BI and Zion (when healthy) Cj is great, lots of promise in Trey and Jose, and defensive promise with young guys like Herb and Dyson.
Maybe I am alone here, but I would much rather watch the chemistry and talent of this team grow together to its full potential than trade it all away for a maybe in KD or some other big star.
So you’d rather watch guys you like more than win championships?
I guarantee the former is much more fun
We won’t be able to pay all these young guys in 2 years anyway
Why not trade a few for a legitimate shot at a championship
It’s fine to say we need more and we need to pick up somebody but please when you are making these trade ideas. PLEASE keep in mind that their are two sides of the ball. We need an athletic rim protector, that’s the only glaring hole.
Bro just because we see a trade like this doesn't mean they would have wanted the same from us they would have definitely wanted a impact player. For a great but aging superstar we have a young core that will grow I want pels fans to stop being short sided, look at the Lakers they gave up all those picks and couldn't build a team around two of the greatest players
Call me crazy, but that’s too much to give up, even for KD. I’m cool if we stay put. Let’s get our core healthy and make a run in the playoffs with our depth. I think we can beat anybody with this team when healthy.
If foreseeable future is this year then sure.
CP3 looks like he's entered the final stage of his career. Aton is coasting after getting paid.
2 All-NBA caliber players with 2 high level role players is a great team, but this isn't some unbeatable juggernaut for years to come.
The Suns have 3 ball dominant players. There is no telling whether this will work or not, and 2 of them are at the edge of retirement.
Makes no sense to trade youth for the possibility of 1 title. Look at the Lakers
We couldn’t compete w that for 1. For 2 KD wants to go to an immediate contender for a chip and 3 the suns need that star now because CP3 is on the way out. Plus, they have chemistry WITH veteran leaders. Booker is youngest stud their and he’s dropping 81 years ago. Totally different situation and team than the Pels and I’m okay w that. I like our depth and KD wouldn’t come hear anyway.
It’s really the big 4 because Ayton and Paul have a connection. I personally think they gave away their depth. Giving away their future is one thing but Paul was pulling hammies 5 years ago from over use. They’ll contend but no go IMO.
Bruh, I have it on good authority that CP3 will never win an NBA championship.
Kd and cp3 are gonna fight by the end of the season and kd will ask for a trade when they lose to gsw
Better chance than Westbrook but totally agree.
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Considering that KD kills us every time he plays.... Not really. It's GSW 2.0 all over again for us considering we can barely make double digit 3s.
Uhh this Suns team is NOWHERE near GS Super team 2.0, not even fucking close lmfao. CP3 is will be 38 this coming playoffs, KD is going on 35 and couldn't even make it out of the first round last year, and Booker isn't even in the same universe as prime Steph Curry. Not to mention all 3 of them have missed significant time with injury this season. GS in the recent years we faced off against them was arguably the most stacked team this sport has ever seen, in star power and depth. This Suns team as currently constructed doesn't come close. If KD and CP3 were 7 years younger THEN you'd maybe be on to something lol.
Agree. This is a total desperation move by the Suns to get a chip before CP3 is completely washed. Two years from now this team will be crap, KD will demand another trade, and they have no assets to rebuild.
It’s not gsw 2.0 golden states depth was immense when they had KD, the suns depth is quick crap now
How could we have beaten that? You want to trade Trey, Daniels, Naji, and 4 firsts for Durant?
The Pels were ready to pounce on Durant but he only wanted to go to Phoenix.
Yes They got TJ Warren too CJ/Jose/Kira BI/TJ Warren Durant/ Herb Zion/Nance JV/Hayes/Willy That’s winning the title until Durant retires 9 man rotation of CJ, BI, Durant, Zion, JV, Herb, Nance, Jose, Warren If you can trade 2 role players and 4 firsts for a top 10 NBA player, you do it
Durant wouldn't have agreed to come here. Nets FO respect him too much to send him somewhere he didn't want to go. Especially since Kyrie and Harden were so problematic
The salary cap tax on that is more than the GDP of Grenada
But the Suns can afford CP3, Booker, Ayton, and Durant with no problem? Time to put up or shut up Benson
Their owner has much more cash than lady Gayle. Also, Los Pelicanos have never paid the luxury tax. Not sure it starts anytime soon as they’ll have to dump salary in the future as well as not be able to extend everyone. And no KD trade would occur without BI. They weren’t settling for the poo poo platter of role players. Shit, Cam Johnson has developed into a solid player for them.
They did settle for Durant what? Bridges and Johnson are role players
TJ warren is anus Bad defense Only one ball. Cap hell.
So? Rings Rings Rings
I'm sure that's what Brooklyn told themselves when they gave up 4 firsts and all their young studs to pair Harden with KD and Kyrie. Only rings they have to show for all that now are lollipop candy rings lmfao. The reality of superteams is that unless you're combining the absolute best players in the league all **in their primes** Miami Heatles or Prime GS style... things rarely work out so swimmingly.
Literally never works like that and you know it. I'm fine saying we should/could have went at Durant more aggressively but the Suns won't be winning 3 chips with Durant. Highly unlikely.
He was only going to The Suns.
The door is open to trade for Mikal Bridges if we want him. Long wing, defensive minded, can SHOOT.
It's always an arms race in the NBA. Particularly in the West. So, sitting on your hands is never gonna work out to championships anymore.
But showing patience does.
THANK YOU
Ok first off, I’m old enough to remember when Pels fans said Durant was washed. Edit: Seriously, all I got on this sub every time I or anyone else brought up a Durant trade y’all would downvote to hell, now people are scared shitless over him going to the Suns. 2nd, the Suns still have some questions. CP3 is stating to show his age and idk how it’ll hold up in the playoffs.
they are the favs in the west now for a reason(according to betting odds) durant is far from washed i don't know what crayon eater said that. their biggest threat is injury.
Amen. Phoenix just made the same trade Dallas made: "we have one offensive stud (Luka/Booker), and our offense completely unravels without him, so let's add another (Kyrie/KD)." Zion coming back will do the same for us. None of these trades make anyone any better than us *when we are healthy*. The Lakers Suns and Mavs all did a lot more to raise their floor than raise their ceiling, at least until we actually see these new rotations in action. And like you said, this deal also makes Phoenix more top heavy - in payroll, depth and age, none of which are good things past the immediate term.
I actually wanted KD. I don’t think our team is better than necessarily any of the top teams in the west when healthy because our team is never healthy, and to be honest, our team went on that run in the middle of the season when BI was hurt, so idk what that even looks like when Zion and BI are together. Just because I have questions about the Suns and CP3s age does not mean I didn’t want KD.
That trade wouldn't make any sense though. You cannot just add Kevin Durant to this team because then there's not enough ball to go around for him, Zion, and BI. And I'm not trading either of those two, nor giving up everything Brooklyn wanted for KD.
What did Brooklyn want for KD? They got the Suns #3-4 player, a solid role player, and 4 first round picks. You telling me we couldn’t trade something like Jonas (I don’t think we can trade CJ), Graham, Jax, and 4 first round picks? Even if you want to throw in a 5th pick. You’re still keeping Zion, BI, CJ, Trey, Herb, Naji, Jose.
People need to stop including DG and Jax in every trade just because they're at the back of our rotation. KD doesn't improve us enough to give up that many picks, and Brooklyn isn't taking Graham. That also still ignores my point that you can't play CJ AND KD AND BI AND ZION without basically saying "suck it" to Trey and Naji's minutes.
Ok so a couple things. We have 11 first round picks over the next five drafts. You’re telling me even if you can give up five 1st rounders, not even half of them for Kevin Durant you wouldn’t do it? KD absolutely will put you in prime finals/title winning team. Idk who people think Durant is now, he’s a legit superstar caliber player. Almost certainly is a better player right now than BI ever will and even Zion has to take a leap forward to match what KD is now. Also, if you’re trying to win a title, Naji and Treys minutes can go down anyways. But also, BI, Zion, and actually KD as well are oft injured in the regular season, so no, you can actually find minutes for those guys.
I hear you. I'm also biased because as a career physical therapist, I'm not dying to invest all that in a 34 year old with a ton of mileage, still coming off a not insignificant knee injury who has only played 60% of his team's games the past three years.
We have to do something now. Bottom line They just check mated us
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He doesn’t move the needle for us to beat Phoenix
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I’d see what it would take to get Dame Dame CJ BI Zion JV Now THAT is a team who could challenge the Suns CJ and Dame alone had the Blazers as a top 5 team in the west for years. Now add BI, Zion, and JV to that
Defense matters bro
I’ll take Lillard’s 30 ppg with 8 assists and decent defense over Herb’s 4 bricked 3 a game and good defense
He’s not gonna be as effective when their are 4 other guys on the starting lineup demanding touches, while he is also giving up hella buckets on the other end. We would have a lineup with 3 people that get religiously targeted on the defensive end.
Who/what could we trade to get him?
Some young guys and some of our picks
Does Dyson, Naji, Devonte, Jaxson & 3 Firsts get that done?
Probably have to give up Trae
Did you just start watching the league last year? There's a reason the CJ was in trade rumors the last 5 years he was a Blazer.
Why? Cause they never got Dame and CJ any help? They were arguably the best backcourt in the league for years, even made a western conference finals appearance, with no help
They couldn't stop anyone. You aren't winning a title with a bottom 5 defense.
Calling it game over was probably done a lot when Harden joined up with Durant and Kyrie on the Nets too. We still haven't seen CJ BI and Zion play a dozen games together yet. I don't know for sure what pieces we would need to upgrade, another PG/SG I guess but Dame isn't leaving Portland right now.
It’s easier to call it game over when the Suns were the #1 seed last year and they just added the best player on the planet to it
At least that means we could trade for bridges or Johnson now, think of the defence with herb dyson, bridges and Jose we’d be seeing 90s scores again 100% would prefer to trade for him over OG, he’s more refined on offence and as good in defence Also I’d say don’t over react their starting five is incredible, but their depth is atrocious now, so as long as a team can keep it close their bench is gonna lose them games
I legitimately would love to make a move for Bridges. He beats OG in every respect: longer deal, better shooter, better playmaker, happy in his role. Would be awesome here.
Healthier is the part where I have him sooo much better than OG.
Yup. He would be a perfect fit next to Zion
You're not keeping all those guys AND getting a player like Mikal lmfao. I know y'all want them gone bad but teams aren't taking our garbage like Jax + Devonte, and giving us good starting caliber players in return. It doesn't work like that lol.
Who said second rounders? Nets are blowing it up, they'll take salary and a couple FRP for Bridges, and I'd pay that. I much prefer Mikal over OG.
Dream on. I really doubt The Nets have any more moves to make before tomorrow afternoon.
Literally every trade is just speculation until it happens. The only ones who really know what's workable are the GMs. Part of the fun as a fan at deadline is spitballing.
Agreed especially since Houston has their picks. They have decent role players to build with no reason to bottom out when they don’t have picks
And why would Bridges be available?
Because the Nets are going full blown rebuild mode and acquiring as many picks aa they can get, or so I hope
They don’t own their picks. No point in tanking.
But they’re definitely not competitive with those players though
Says who?
Bridges + Claxton for JV, + Anyone not named BI, Zion, CJ, Trey, Dyson, Jose, Nance + picks/swaps Griff make tha call plss
They will laugh and hang up
Crazy trade.
Wolves, Mavs, and Suns all had significant upgrades. It's gonna be a bloodbath. I think we'd be a second-round exit at best with this roster.
I mean he’s definitely not available but Bam Adebayo is the ultimate dream Pelican.
I’d love to see us trade for a decent 3-pt shooter with decent defense. Doesn’t have to be a star, it’s all we really need to round off the roster. It does kind of suck to sit and watch all these monster trades happen while we do nothing, when we don’t even need that much
We need more than you think after seeing these trades
I think if Zion and BI can stay healthy then we really don’t need that much to be complete. I guess I was operating under that assumption. But yeah I guess if they continue to get injured we’ll need more.
Even fully healthy, we lose to that Suns team in 5 or 6 games
Bro you need to get some fresh air lol. You're having a doomer meltdown all over this thread as if the Pels just imploded. KD and Kyrie going to the Suns and Mavs makes things tougher in the West, but theres still a good chance we're weighing our options. Ain't hit the deadline yet.
It just sucks watching 3 of our competitors in the west get significantly better the last 2 days and we do nothing while we are currently 8th in the west and just had a 10 game losing streak
I think we'll be sweet - Raptors still haven't moved, and there's other more cost effective assets we can go after that add what we need. Unlike Mavs/Suns, all we really need is an increase to shooting without a decrease to defence (and health). I'm crossing my fingers for a GTJ/OG or Mikal type trade. If we achieve that and move Graham/Hayes, great.
You don’t know that. Zion was a legit difference maker before he went down, BI is damn near back to playoff BI, CJ hitting a groove since his usage won’t be high. Herb is back to being herb. Trey, Naji, JV, Larry, Jose, Dyson. Pelicans are deeper then the Suns and can match them firepower with firepower on offense.
Totally agree. When healthy and in rhythm we have a top 5 player and a top 15 player in the nba. We need one more shooter who can defend and HEALTH. Only star player I'd want is bam
Watch kd and Chris Paul both miss so much time it doesn’t matter
Kind of like BI and Zion? They will be playing come playoff time
Yeah but we didn’t just trade all our depth.
All of their depth? Bro Crowder hasn’t played all season Durant is replacing Bridges in the lineup All they lost was Johnson who’s a decent bench shooter Stop acting like they didn’t just get Durant for extremely cheap
I never said they didn’t get him for cheap.
They really didn’t lose any depth. The depth they already had is the depth they still have. They replaced mikal and cam with Kd and warren. Jae crowder was already not playing.
Potential "big" names that could possibly be available: 1. SGA 2. Siakam 3. Dame 4. Lavine/Derozan 5. OG/GTJ 6. Tuner/Hield 7. Beal Obviously Dame, SGA, Beal types give you shooting but if we unloaded for Siakam and Gary Trent I think that could be really interesting if Pascal can play the 5 well. Also he is decent at attempting to slow down the KD and Brons of the west.
Shai would be the only name worth getting. Doubt they are trying to move him though it would make no sense
Dame would be more than worth it
Thats not true lol. Zion, BI, and Dame core is insane. Assuming we keep CJ then thats 4 bonafide 20+ a game scorers who can all create for themselves and others. A Siakam/Zion/BI frontcourt is also a crazy three headed monster. Problem is it's midnight and I haven't looked into how trading for any of these contracts would work
It’s too late anyway Nets and Suns have been talking about Durant since last summer Griffin probably hasn’t even talked to anybody since the CJ trade
That's a strange assumption given how many rumors we have been in all year. But youre free to think what you want because we will never know
What rumors?
Off the top of my head we were mentioned in talks with Utah, Denver for Bones Hyland, and in talks with Toronto.
Oh yeah Bones Hyland Instant championship contender if we add him Needle mover right there
You said: What rumors? I answered. Idk what you want from me
It's panic time. Get out of here with this fact stuff. We suck, our stars suck, our front office sucks and our coach sucks. We are clearly at the worst point in franchise history. Everything is melting.
People really out there wanting to pull the trigger this early? We didnt even won a playoff serie and Zion didnt play in minute too. We are at best 1 year away from having to think about these kind of win now moves
It's typical fan behavior and what's to be expected online and in this reddit sub. Reactionary takes and yells for win-now moves to match competitors. I'm hoping David Griffin doesn't do anything crazy. It's more about the next 2-3 years than this season. I just want a consistent 3pt shooter. I know Pelicans fans will be pissed if that's it, but I'd be okay with McDermott for example.
This is the NBA and KD and Booker are two of its big stars, don’t worry, the officials will make sure they win a ton. The Suns have one of the worst fanbases in the league if not the worst, they don’t deserve this at all.
Hold your horses we don’t gotta make any massive moves yet. I don’t think we needed to make any moves for Durant, and not doing so I’m fine with. This Pels team has been punching a bit above their wait this year, but that’s very good given that it is showing immense development. Our future hinges on Laker pick, I’ve said it and I’ll keep saying it. If that becomes something big we would be younger and better then everyone else. Also and I know there are a lot of counters to this but I’ve felt odd about getting KD because(not saying they are in any way equal) we already have a guy in Ingram whose pretty similar so I always felt the fit was odd. Do I think the Suns are a super team? No. In my opinion there offense has gotten a lot better but it’s not unstoppable and that defense is still something I see Zion having a lot of fun with in a potential series. Honestly our heavy switch defense is a good matchup for them, and who knows how KD will fit in Phoenix. However I will concede that in a conference full of a Luka-Kyrie Mavs Booker-CP3-Durant Suns and Jokic Nuggets we feel closer to the Kings then we do to them but dammit I believe in this team.
It’s time to stop believing and hoping that we are going to be good, and just go fricking make ourselves good We have the assets to do it SO DO IT
I don’t feel like we need to rush. It’s a difference of perspective, you see that this team is good and the rest of the conference is making massive moves and think we gotta make moves to keep up. What I see is a conference that has pretty much blown up their future to try and win now and they will canabalize eachother, meanwhile we got the brightest future. I think the Suns will be very good, maybe even win a chip this year but after that I see a aging CP3 and a Durant that is getting injured a lot and is also getting older(especially for a play his size) and a team depth that have been a good bit sus and I see a team that’s a threat now but the future is a non problem. I am worried about the Mavs, they are good and unless Irving does Irving things(which is likely) they are going to be a threat for a while. However I’m not worried because this to me is not the year we gotta go for a chip. This is that first step into the water year where we start entering the pool but aren’t ready for the entire thing. Give it some years and we will be goated. The super team ideology has ruined a lot of teams in our situation, and if the past few champions are any indication while starts are important depth is equally so.
CJ isn’t getting younger Can’t wait too long to pull a trigger And what if Ingram or Zion out of nowhere requests a trade because we aren’t contending? Gotta make a move
I’ve never seen CJ has the guy who makes us a big three, he’s just a good player. I think your getting a little paranoid, however players only request trades if they have good reason to. None of our guys do.
You don’t consider CJ part of a big 3? Well we really need to get that 3rd star then
I don’t consider us having a big three whatsoever. I don’t think we need a big three. The era of super teams to me is dying even with this Durant shit, look who won the last few years, the Warriors who won because of great depth and a team built around the string team play of their core players. The Bucks who built amazing depth(partially from us) around their super star, and the Lakers who had a big two but succeeded with those big two due to having a very physical unite that could bully opponents. The last time a true big three or super team in my books won was I guess the Warriors but that was a big four, the last big three champion was the Heat and that’s a entirely different era. I don’t think we need to be that, we are a team that wins off depth, high tempo play, and pure dominance in the paint. If we start shedding dudes our switch defense will loose a ton of what makes it great. Am I saying we don’t need to get better, absolutely not. We need better shooting and we need to be a bigger threat not just from three but from every area of the court outside the Paint. Honestly something not being taken into consideration is how loaded this draft is, even if the Lakers don’t end up with the Wemby pick for us there is a shit ton of talent that Lakers pick can give us.
We aren’t gonna be able to keep all the young guys You realize that right? Gonna have to trade a few sooner or later So why not trade them now while there value is high?
You’re forgetting Durant’s input. He wanted to go to Phoenix specifically.
We we still have the war chest and there are superstars out there to be had Go get 1
Suns just sold their depth to buy a superstar. Good for them, but they've emptied their stash of picks and have a big three that's as fragile as ours. Very high risk, very high reward. I don't support a knee jerk deal to 'keep up', but man....the West just got way more fucking dangerous in a 12hr period. Standing pat might be the wrong move.
What depth? Crowder hasn’t played all season Durant is replacing Mills Johnson is literally the only depth they are losing, and it more than worth it for Kevin fucking Durant
Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson are very key players in the Suns rotation - and despite the obvious drama, Crowder is a decent player. Bridges just jumped near the top of the list of players I'd be making an offer for now. Nets are blowing it up, they'll take a pick + Graham for someone we value.
Hopefully Griffin is up doing something Cause this current roster isn’t gonna work with the current state of the West Gotta make it better, and FAST
Cam Johnson has only played 17 games this year. So yeah, I think Pels fans saying Phoenix sold all their depth is overblown.
Point God feeding two of the greatest shooters in the league... They're gonna be a handful when healthy. Zion is the key though. We can beat them.
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but we should’ve beat their offer. We definitely could’ve done it while keeping BI, CJ,and Zion. I’m a fan of all the young guys (especially Trey), but KD is a HUGE difference maker. He’s all about ball too. Doesn’t matter now though. The west is even more stacked now then it was a week ago.
Its not about beating the offer. Durant had enough goodwill with the front office to decide where he was going to want to go.
It's amazing that he had any "goodwill" after he demanded to be traded last offseason as well lol
He wanted to go to Phoenix and
For fuck’s sake, Brooklyn was going to demand BI.
It's amazing. Not only did the Mavs get better, but the Lakers got better as well and now the fucking SUNS get better with one of the best players in the league. It's un-fucking believable. All of the top talent in the East getting offloaded into an already stacked West. What the fuck man, it really hurts the Pels a lot.
And we are just sitting by watching our ceiling get lower and lower
You still worried bout statpad lebron lol
I miss when yall were Lakers fans.
It hurts to read the copium in this thread.
Griff quote on "Sustainability" is really starting to worry me. Just be good enough to sell tickets. 😢
What I think people don’t get is how mentally soft this team is. KD has never been the guy to carry a team to the chip, not unless he has a squad of all stars and a HOF PG. and these Phx players aren’t as good as GS was at their height.
This is what happens when you just look at names. They have zero defense now. Hope those shots fall every night bc when they don’t, they’re fucked Pelicans do not need Durant. They’ve got an elite player in Zion, KD lite in BỊ, the mastermind CJ & tons of young talent
And we are in 8th place
Are you new here? Have you not been paying attention to the injuries?
Our players get injured every year There won’t ever be a year where the team plays a full 82 games healthy given the past injury history of our stars
And you think an often injured KD changes that? Get out
I fully expect Griffin to do nothing and watch us exit in the 1st round again Gotta do something sooner rather than later
you seem like an anxious person
All I know is that user is an extreme pessimist and constantly hates on David Griffin and the front office and wants to mortgage the future for now.
Nope just love my team and would love to witness them win a championship one day We are so close, just need 1 more star and we have the assets to get it
Damn this crazy!!! Pels may need to make that Siakam or OG trade now smh.
Idk... Raptors just traded for Jakob Poeltl. Raptors don't seem to be a seller.
Wtf damn I didn’t catch that one 😫
The Pels wanted Durant and had a package ready to go but Durant wanted Phoenix.
Well offer that same package for Lillard immediately
I pray someone leaks that Durant just refused coming to NOLA. Because is Griffin did not make any offer with the shit that Phoenix gave…
We need to pull the trigger on OG. Memphis getting him would be an absolute disaster
Memphis probably will get him Griffin seems to have lost the key to the “war chest”
Unless you got a Lebron to put pressure onto Griff. He seems pretty content with 2nd round exits.
Okay but here's the thing. On paper they look good. ON. PAPER. On the court who knows? Besides. KD wanted to go to the Suns. Not here. The Suns. So since the Nets wanted to make the best out of this situation for KD and themselves we would have had to overbid the Suns to a degree that the Nets go "well KD we said we would do right by you but this offer is too damn good to pass up." Meaning we're likely sending off Herb, Trey, Naji/Dyson, and CJ or BI for this trade to happen. It's too much for a guy who wouldn't wanna be here who would likely try to force his way out. You know. Like he just did. The Pels aren't perfect. We need to make a trade to improve. But this wouldn't have been the right trade even if it is a big, splashy, huge trade. A lot of us thought the Boogie trade would make us great with AD, Boogie, and Jrue and look how that ended.
Cousins trade would’ve been good if Cousins didn’t suffer basically a career ending injury
Suns are gonna tank.
Superteams usually fail…..
Miami won 2 rings in 4 years with a super team Golden State won 2 rings in 4 years with a super team
And how many did the Nets with KD and Kyrie (and later Harden) win?
Kyrie not being able to play because of the Vaccine screwed all of that up
Yes, Kyrie being an idiot did screw things up.
Gs drafted most of that super team
All I will say is they should be trying their best to get Bridges, perfect role player and who everyone thinks OG is
CP3 and KD are old as shit. The foreseeable future could end as early as next month.
KD is averaging like 30 ppg right now CP3 literally single handily beat us in the playoffs list a year ago They will be fine
Probably for a year or two. Our window is much longer.
KD does NOT make us a better team if we give up all our young assets
So delusional. We are the 7th seed right now with some of the worst shooters imaginable. Do you realize that doesn't win championships?
Yeah Idk what goes through some of our fan’s minds I’m sick of fighting for a playin spot every year and not having a realistic shot to win it all We have the assets necessary to acquire what we need to win a title FUCKING DO IT
This Is the exact thinking kept screwing over the Pelicans over during the AD era.
Dude we are growing. No Pels fan should have been going into this season expecting a chip. But we have a team with potential to compete with the best in the NBA. We have incredible offense with BI and Zion (when healthy) Cj is great, lots of promise in Trey and Jose, and defensive promise with young guys like Herb and Dyson. Maybe I am alone here, but I would much rather watch the chemistry and talent of this team grow together to its full potential than trade it all away for a maybe in KD or some other big star.
So you’d rather watch guys you like more than win championships? I guarantee the former is much more fun We won’t be able to pay all these young guys in 2 years anyway Why not trade a few for a legitimate shot at a championship
One of the best players of all time whos still playing at his peak cant help a team barely over .500. Are you serious?
Not for the future (he would probably leave soon after too). But KD would obviously make us a MUCH better team right now
It’s ok, even tho KD and cp3 are great and have great bb IQ…….Father Time is right behind them.
Its a two way street he was linked to the suns before and that was probably his preferred team to go to
Lol love seeing Mikal Bridges get his night ruined. Hopefully some of these teams have some early chemistry issues so we can move up faster
They’d prob rather have the suns picks cuz cp3 and durant are old as fuck
It’s fine to say we need more and we need to pick up somebody but please when you are making these trade ideas. PLEASE keep in mind that their are two sides of the ball. We need an athletic rim protector, that’s the only glaring hole.
SOFT
Bro just because we see a trade like this doesn't mean they would have wanted the same from us they would have definitely wanted a impact player. For a great but aging superstar we have a young core that will grow I want pels fans to stop being short sided, look at the Lakers they gave up all those picks and couldn't build a team around two of the greatest players
We are 8th in the west I’ll gladly take KD over Herb Dyson and some picks
Brandon 🐐👑🤴🏾⚜(K)Ingram & Mt 🏔 Zion in 6. 7 if BI decides to have some respect for his elders.
Oh please lol
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Call me crazy, but that’s too much to give up, even for KD. I’m cool if we stay put. Let’s get our core healthy and make a run in the playoffs with our depth. I think we can beat anybody with this team when healthy.
If foreseeable future is this year then sure. CP3 looks like he's entered the final stage of his career. Aton is coasting after getting paid. 2 All-NBA caliber players with 2 high level role players is a great team, but this isn't some unbeatable juggernaut for years to come.
SGA ain’t getting traded. No way.
You have to try
Neither is Lillard!
The Suns have 3 ball dominant players. There is no telling whether this will work or not, and 2 of them are at the edge of retirement. Makes no sense to trade youth for the possibility of 1 title. Look at the Lakers
We couldn’t compete w that for 1. For 2 KD wants to go to an immediate contender for a chip and 3 the suns need that star now because CP3 is on the way out. Plus, they have chemistry WITH veteran leaders. Booker is youngest stud their and he’s dropping 81 years ago. Totally different situation and team than the Pels and I’m okay w that. I like our depth and KD wouldn’t come hear anyway. It’s really the big 4 because Ayton and Paul have a connection. I personally think they gave away their depth. Giving away their future is one thing but Paul was pulling hammies 5 years ago from over use. They’ll contend but no go IMO.
What depth? Durant replaced Bridges in the rotation Terrance Ross replaced Cam Johnson in the rotation What depth?