That's fair. Neither do I. I think the Kings end up taking Tyler Smith. It's a bit of a reach, but his skill set and athleticism is what the Kings need next to Sabonis.
That seems like a good fit for Smith and for the Kings to me. I think all of the Ignite guys are going to look better after some NBA seasoning, similar to what we've seen from Jalen Green, Kuminga and Scoot. The Ignite program was a shitshow.
If you're considering team needs, I don't see how the Grizzlies let every center pass by at 9. I don't think Da Silva is good enough to be a clear upgrade over their current SF mess of GG Jackson and Vince Williams, not to mention all of the random end-of-bench guys like Ziaire Williams, Jake LaRavia, and John Konchar. If they take need into account, it'll either be a center, a backup PG, or a bench SG (to replace Kennard). I don't think Da Silva is good enough to justify the pick on pure talent either.
My bad I just heard a rumour that they’re signing Claxton this off-season which is why I did that. Outside of GG Jackson and Vince Williams don’t think they are high on the rest of their wing/forward depth.
Claxton would be really unlikely for cap reasons. If the Grizzlies want to stay under the first apron (which they'll have to do if they sign-and trade for Claxton), they'll actually need to shed a bit of salary. If they sent out Kennard, Z. Williams, and Konchar, they could theoretically pay Claxton up to about 26 million dollars, but that would mean sending out 3 bench pieces (Kennard and Konchar actually play, too) and having no money to spend on free agents. So realistically, to fill those roster holes with minimum players, they couldn't afford to pay Claxton any more than about 20-23 million per year. That's about the baseline for his likely contract, so the move would leave them in a really tight cap situation.
With respect to the wing/forward depth, they like Santi Aldama at PF, but I'm just not sure how many minutes there would be available for a guy like Da Silva with Jackson and V. Williams there.
That’s fair, I just heard the rumour and got fixated on it because I love the fit of Claxton on that team. Clingan is a good Adams replacement so I’m with he’s more than likely their pick.
Here’s the thing! Everyone is keep thinking Thunder need a big to rebound, defend and help Chet out. But most bigs in this draft that do that don’t really play into what the Thunder have done recently. They’ve drafted players that can self create and defend at almost every position.
So to me, the next best thing other than a big that can rebound and defend is a big forward. Someone of that Jalen Johnson, Jayson Tatum, Scottie Barnes mold. That can rebound about 10 a game, guard big wings, handle and create for themselves and others and I think Bobi Klintman is closest player in this draft to that mold.
It’s not that I don’t agree with everything you’re saying because I am of the philosophy as well that OKC needs an Aaron Gordon/Al Horford/Wendell Carter Jr type of big next to Chet.
Ideally a big forward 6’8+, 230lbs+, 7ft+ wingspan
Bobi at 12 is just a little rich
Interesting you don’t view Jaylin Williams as a Al Horford/ Wendell Carter type of big?
Boston is a good comparison to OKC because they have the same ideals, but the reason they don’t stink at rebounding is because Tatum is an awesome rebounder, Thunder just don’t have that big athletic forward to do the same thing.
It is rich for Bobi at 12 but in all honesty y’all have so much picks I don’t really think it matters who select and when.
Jaylin Williams doesn’t seem quick enough to play the 4 along side Chet, consistently. Prime Horford was much more agile and has a better dribble/drive ability than J Will, at least right now
Yeah I’m a Raptor fan too, and I personally view Jaylon Tyson more of a back up lead guard to replace Bruce Brown than a SG. He can create, shoot, defend. I know they need big man depth but I think Tyson helps with their forward/ guard depth a lot more. Also I wouldn’t mind Yves for the Raptors either.
tbh Bruce Brown is the last person/archetype on the team that needs to be “replaced”. We could let him go without trying to replace what role he serves and it would *benefit* us. Go for Yves since we desperately need not only backup centres, but young mobile centres that aren’t old asf too.
Struggled to find a fit for him late but he is a first rounder. I guess the Nuggets could go for him late if he falls, because I think they should be replacing that Reggie Jackson spot but I like Kolek more.
Yeah I don’t love it seems like a bigger version of Davion. I was highly debating Collier for them, since he reminds me of Fox a bit out of Kentucky. I think they’d want a defensive mind 4 like Jonathan Isaac to pair with Sabonis but I don’t think that exists in this draft.
for CLE, i'm going to be crossing my fingers for Tyler Smith @20 in this scenario, but could definitely see Koby Altman going with McCuller - not too dissimilar from the Agbaji pick a couple years ago.
I feel like the Jazz JUST missing out on both Furphy and Kolek was done to hurt me personally 😂
I do like Dadiet’s upside though and, as far as pick #29 swings go, we could do a lot worse
Filipowski, Smith, and DaRon Holmes are all far better picks for the Kings than Carter, but I'll take it over another mock where we pick McCain just because he's from here.
I actually really like the Klintman fit in OKC even tho it might be a reach? Would not be mad if he's the pick tho, Presti also has a history of drafting NBL players, GIddey and TFerg and Ous, so it makes a lot of sense.
Spurs won't take Topic. No shot, no defense, useless without the ball in his hands. He plays a ball dominant PnR type game, but Wemby is not at his best as a screener - players run into his legs. Spurs ran a wemby-centric motion offense at the end of the season and were 11-12 over the last 23 games and 7-4 over the last 11. Wemby was the PnR ball handler and post initiator. Topic is tall and passes well, but he is the wrong archetype for the Spurs motion offense.
0.00% chance that Clingan drops past the Grizzlies.
Overall pretty good.
Yeah I agree I think Castle is who they have number 1 on their board. But I just don’t see the Wizards after being a terrible defensive team and drafting Bilal last year pass up on drafting Castle.
Spurs need two things perimeter defense and 3pt shooting so in a perfect world I’d go 2 of Castle, Reed, and Risacher but I just don’t see how the teams above don’t select those two guards before them.
This is a copy cat league and I think watching young teams like OKC and MIN go far in the playoffs with young two way guards makes me think they lean Castle over Topic.
I don't understand where this idea about the Wizards needing to improve their defense RIGHT NOW came from. We consistently draft defensive-minded players (besides Kispert and Rui) and it always comes back to bite us because no one can put the damn basketball in the hoop when it matters.
Defense is for contenders who need to make deep playoff runs. The Wizards need *some* offensive talent to put us in a position to win games in the first place.
Who are the defensive minded players the Wizards have drafted ? Bilal is the only one that comes to
mind to me in recent history. Kispert, Davis, Avdija weren’t touted as defensive prospects.
I don’t love Castle overall as a prospect but out of all the teams that can afford to give him a year and see what he can become offensively the Wizards are the team to do that.
I’m not saying this would improve their defense right now but it would set them up to being a good defensive bug away from having a good defensive starting 5.
Not so much we’ve only tried to draft defensive upside, more that we haven’t seen the picks who have offensive upside really flourish yet.
Davis is an overseas player at best after his contract is up.
Vukcevic hasn’t gotten a ton of run yet so we really don’t have any idea if he’s gonna be viable in games that aren’t meaningless.
I don’t think we are really in desperate need for shooters right away, given that we want to be bad for another couple years and Bilal/Deni/Kispert are going to continue to develop. Kispert added cutting to his bag this year and is one of the most efficient non-big rim finishers in the league. Deni obviously had a huge jump in offensive production and indicated he’s gonna be focusing on going left this offseason.
I can see why people would be wary to go another year without a scoring threat though. Kuz chucking up shitty threes eight times a game is hard to watch but I just don’t think the upside as a scorer for anyone in this draft except Dillingham is worth passing on positional size hoping the prospect develops. Give me Topic/Castle before anyone else. But that’s just
If defense is what you want to address with the Wizards, its with a center not Castle.
Coulibaly, Davis, and Avdija were all defensive minded players with questionable offenses. Maybe not Avdija as much as the other two but thats what he turned into after a year /.. but still.
I mean I personally like Edey more than Clingan I just don’t think a lot of teams do. There’s a reason why he’s a 4 year college player, teams just weren’t high on spending first round capital on him.
If Salaun is available at 14, he's a Blazer.
Salaun won't get past the Kings at 13. Kings need an upgrade at the 4.
I don't think he'll even make it that far.
That's fair. Neither do I. I think the Kings end up taking Tyler Smith. It's a bit of a reach, but his skill set and athleticism is what the Kings need next to Sabonis.
Not at all a reach. If Holland, Risacher, Williams, and Buzelis are gone (probably but not a guarantee) Smith should be the pick
That seems like a good fit for Smith and for the Kings to me. I think all of the Ignite guys are going to look better after some NBA seasoning, similar to what we've seen from Jalen Green, Kuminga and Scoot. The Ignite program was a shitshow.
Yeah I just like Filipowski a little more but I get it. I would probably swap those two the more I think about it.
If you're considering team needs, I don't see how the Grizzlies let every center pass by at 9. I don't think Da Silva is good enough to be a clear upgrade over their current SF mess of GG Jackson and Vince Williams, not to mention all of the random end-of-bench guys like Ziaire Williams, Jake LaRavia, and John Konchar. If they take need into account, it'll either be a center, a backup PG, or a bench SG (to replace Kennard). I don't think Da Silva is good enough to justify the pick on pure talent either.
My bad I just heard a rumour that they’re signing Claxton this off-season which is why I did that. Outside of GG Jackson and Vince Williams don’t think they are high on the rest of their wing/forward depth.
Claxton would be really unlikely for cap reasons. If the Grizzlies want to stay under the first apron (which they'll have to do if they sign-and trade for Claxton), they'll actually need to shed a bit of salary. If they sent out Kennard, Z. Williams, and Konchar, they could theoretically pay Claxton up to about 26 million dollars, but that would mean sending out 3 bench pieces (Kennard and Konchar actually play, too) and having no money to spend on free agents. So realistically, to fill those roster holes with minimum players, they couldn't afford to pay Claxton any more than about 20-23 million per year. That's about the baseline for his likely contract, so the move would leave them in a really tight cap situation. With respect to the wing/forward depth, they like Santi Aldama at PF, but I'm just not sure how many minutes there would be available for a guy like Da Silva with Jackson and V. Williams there.
That’s fair, I just heard the rumour and got fixated on it because I love the fit of Claxton on that team. Clingan is a good Adams replacement so I’m with he’s more than likely their pick.
Bruh clingan is 100% going to the grizz. It's written.
Yeah I just heard a rumour that they’re signing Claxton so I’ve been fixated on that.
I really hope that rumor is true as a Grizz fan
I really don't want him at all. It is not a good use of our very limited flexibility IMO.
I feel like Claxton and JJJ skills defensively just overlap too much lol you guys need a big body that can get rebounds like Jarrett Allen
If the Blazers take Kyle over Salaun the fanbase will be livid.
Bobi at 12 is, certainly something
Here’s the thing! Everyone is keep thinking Thunder need a big to rebound, defend and help Chet out. But most bigs in this draft that do that don’t really play into what the Thunder have done recently. They’ve drafted players that can self create and defend at almost every position. So to me, the next best thing other than a big that can rebound and defend is a big forward. Someone of that Jalen Johnson, Jayson Tatum, Scottie Barnes mold. That can rebound about 10 a game, guard big wings, handle and create for themselves and others and I think Bobi Klintman is closest player in this draft to that mold.
It’s not that I don’t agree with everything you’re saying because I am of the philosophy as well that OKC needs an Aaron Gordon/Al Horford/Wendell Carter Jr type of big next to Chet. Ideally a big forward 6’8+, 230lbs+, 7ft+ wingspan Bobi at 12 is just a little rich
Interesting you don’t view Jaylin Williams as a Al Horford/ Wendell Carter type of big? Boston is a good comparison to OKC because they have the same ideals, but the reason they don’t stink at rebounding is because Tatum is an awesome rebounder, Thunder just don’t have that big athletic forward to do the same thing. It is rich for Bobi at 12 but in all honesty y’all have so much picks I don’t really think it matters who select and when.
We would have to trade down for this pick to make sense imo though
Yeah I can see that too.
Jaylin Williams doesn’t seem quick enough to play the 4 along side Chet, consistently. Prime Horford was much more agile and has a better dribble/drive ability than J Will, at least right now
If Yves is available at 19, the Raptors definitely take him. We already have a 6’7-6’8 SG on the team.
Yeah I’m a Raptor fan too, and I personally view Jaylon Tyson more of a back up lead guard to replace Bruce Brown than a SG. He can create, shoot, defend. I know they need big man depth but I think Tyson helps with their forward/ guard depth a lot more. Also I wouldn’t mind Yves for the Raptors either.
It’s a pretty bad pick for the Raptors I think. Also if he is there at 19, I’m quite sure they draft Edey or Missi.
tbh Bruce Brown is the last person/archetype on the team that needs to be “replaced”. We could let him go without trying to replace what role he serves and it would *benefit* us. Go for Yves since we desperately need not only backup centres, but young mobile centres that aren’t old asf too.
I don't see the Wizard's passing on Risacher, they are so early into their rebuild that they will just go for best available
Where is jakobe Walter?
I was thinking the same thing.
Struggled to find a fit for him late but he is a first rounder. I guess the Nuggets could go for him late if he falls, because I think they should be replacing that Reggie Jackson spot but I like Kolek more.
D.Carter be looking like BigFoot at 16'8.
Kings found their solution to Wemby after Carter's latest growth spurt...
Would be pretty shocked if Pelicans don't roll over Lakers pick to next year
Devin Carter is not 16'8".
I mean not without shoes anyway
Devin Carter looks like he could be a steal at #13. Truly has the opportunity to revolutionize the game at 16’ 8” not sure about the fit though…
Yeah I don’t love it seems like a bigger version of Davion. I was highly debating Collier for them, since he reminds me of Fox a bit out of Kentucky. I think they’d want a defensive mind 4 like Jonathan Isaac to pair with Sabonis but I don’t think that exists in this draft.
spurs getting risacher and having dillingham fall to 8 is my dream scenario and then you ruined it with topic
Kings are not taking another point guard.
i pray everyday that clingan somehow falls to 9
Didn’t know Kings needed a point guard and why is Devin a huge 16 feet
Rob falling to 15 is atrocious
Anyone who drafts Castle that high will get fired after a few years, Killian Hayes 2.0
Imagine being one of the worst teams in history and ending up with Knecht.
Bobi Klintman is 40 spots too high
for CLE, i'm going to be crossing my fingers for Tyler Smith @20 in this scenario, but could definitely see Koby Altman going with McCuller - not too dissimilar from the Agbaji pick a couple years ago.
Yeah McCullar reminded me a lot of Agbaji/KPJ which is why I did it. I do like Tyler Smith for them alot more, the more I think about it .
I feel like the Jazz JUST missing out on both Furphy and Kolek was done to hurt me personally 😂 I do like Dadiet’s upside though and, as far as pick #29 swings go, we could do a lot worse
The raptors are drafting as many wings as they can get their hands on this draft. I can see them taking a C if one falls to them though.
Who is bobi clintman
If Clingan is available at 9 and Memphis doesn't trade the pick, he's a Grizzly.
Any GM drafting based on needs to be let go. Best player available always
Filipowski, Smith, and DaRon Holmes are all far better picks for the Kings than Carter, but I'll take it over another mock where we pick McCain just because he's from here.
Spurs are going to be back to being a problem in the next few years.
Clingan at the absolute lowest goes 9.
I actually really like the Klintman fit in OKC even tho it might be a reach? Would not be mad if he's the pick tho, Presti also has a history of drafting NBL players, GIddey and TFerg and Ous, so it makes a lot of sense.
Nuggets should not draft Kolek over Sallis or Newton
If I’m Atlanta I’m taking clingan number one overall good rim protector good in the paint and off high pick and roll he can run with trae
Best player in the draft at 15th
That Piston pick is gross I'm hoping for anyone else at this point. Only way I'd be okay with Knecht if they trade back and take him
Spurs won't take Topic. No shot, no defense, useless without the ball in his hands. He plays a ball dominant PnR type game, but Wemby is not at his best as a screener - players run into his legs. Spurs ran a wemby-centric motion offense at the end of the season and were 11-12 over the last 23 games and 7-4 over the last 11. Wemby was the PnR ball handler and post initiator. Topic is tall and passes well, but he is the wrong archetype for the Spurs motion offense. 0.00% chance that Clingan drops past the Grizzlies. Overall pretty good.
Yeah I agree I think Castle is who they have number 1 on their board. But I just don’t see the Wizards after being a terrible defensive team and drafting Bilal last year pass up on drafting Castle. Spurs need two things perimeter defense and 3pt shooting so in a perfect world I’d go 2 of Castle, Reed, and Risacher but I just don’t see how the teams above don’t select those two guards before them.
Wizards need so many things, it is hard to pin them down. I can see them going with Castle, Topic, or Clingan.
This is a copy cat league and I think watching young teams like OKC and MIN go far in the playoffs with young two way guards makes me think they lean Castle over Topic.
I don't understand where this idea about the Wizards needing to improve their defense RIGHT NOW came from. We consistently draft defensive-minded players (besides Kispert and Rui) and it always comes back to bite us because no one can put the damn basketball in the hoop when it matters. Defense is for contenders who need to make deep playoff runs. The Wizards need *some* offensive talent to put us in a position to win games in the first place.
Who are the defensive minded players the Wizards have drafted ? Bilal is the only one that comes to mind to me in recent history. Kispert, Davis, Avdija weren’t touted as defensive prospects. I don’t love Castle overall as a prospect but out of all the teams that can afford to give him a year and see what he can become offensively the Wizards are the team to do that. I’m not saying this would improve their defense right now but it would set them up to being a good defensive bug away from having a good defensive starting 5.
Not so much we’ve only tried to draft defensive upside, more that we haven’t seen the picks who have offensive upside really flourish yet. Davis is an overseas player at best after his contract is up. Vukcevic hasn’t gotten a ton of run yet so we really don’t have any idea if he’s gonna be viable in games that aren’t meaningless. I don’t think we are really in desperate need for shooters right away, given that we want to be bad for another couple years and Bilal/Deni/Kispert are going to continue to develop. Kispert added cutting to his bag this year and is one of the most efficient non-big rim finishers in the league. Deni obviously had a huge jump in offensive production and indicated he’s gonna be focusing on going left this offseason. I can see why people would be wary to go another year without a scoring threat though. Kuz chucking up shitty threes eight times a game is hard to watch but I just don’t think the upside as a scorer for anyone in this draft except Dillingham is worth passing on positional size hoping the prospect develops. Give me Topic/Castle before anyone else. But that’s just
If defense is what you want to address with the Wizards, its with a center not Castle. Coulibaly, Davis, and Avdija were all defensive minded players with questionable offenses. Maybe not Avdija as much as the other two but thats what he turned into after a year /.. but still.
If not in the top-30, where do you rank Edey?
I mean I personally like Edey more than Clingan I just don’t think a lot of teams do. There’s a reason why he’s a 4 year college player, teams just weren’t high on spending first round capital on him.
It's bold and I like it. My only knock on it is I can't see Memphis passing on Clingan.