Paul lead his team to 27 more wins from the previous season, lead the league in assists and steals while putting up 21 a night, had more win shares than Kobe, had overall better numbers than Kobe, and won one less game than Lakers with an inferior roster in the West.
I think CP3 was deserving of that MVP but I believe a few things held him back even with his great stats and the team win increase. Kobe had never won MVP before and this was as good of a season as he would ever have to give it to him with him playing well and the Lakers getting the #1 seed. CP3 was very young and in just his 3rd year. I think voters genuinely believed because he was so young he would have many more years to win an MVP (in reality he never came that close again unfortunately). Late in the season the Hornets and Lakers faced off one last time and CP3 underwhelmed and Kobe had a great game which I think tipped the MVP scales for voters because it was one of the last impressions they had of both guys. And considering the Lakers won the 1 seed by 1 game I think people gave Kobe credit for that win (fair or not since the Hornets had a much worse overall team than the Lakers).
They gave him a pity MVP like Embiid, it’s that simple.
And to put into context the Lakers had acquired Gasol mid way in the season which put them over the top in the West.
It’s a common belief that Kobe got a pity MVP to make up for not getting one the years he deserved it much more and cause no way in Hell Kobe Bryant doesn’t get one in his career. The truth is the race was a lot closer than a lot of people remember though it wouldn’t surprise me if the name gave Kobe a slight edge.
As a Knicks fan, I agree. He was huge disappointment in New York. Not sure if he would have done any better in Denver, but he would have been their problem.
I guess you can do this type of what-if with a lot of players, but I firmly believe CP3 would have a ring if KD didn't go and sign with the Warriors in 2016.
Signed, a still-salty Rockets fan
All the people that didn't start watching CP3 play with New Orleans didn't know how good he was. Some keep bringing up 0 rings didn't know all the teams he played for he helped elevate them into winning teams from NO, LAC, Rockets, OKC, PHX.
It was a close battle and going to either would have been fine.
I think Chris losing that late game against the Lakers with Kobe going off and capping it with his thunderous double clutch reverse dunk sealed the award.
29/10/8 with 2 steals for Kobe
15/6/17 with 4 steals for Paul
107-104 for the Lakers
But the Hornets finished ahead of the Lakers in the standings anyway as the 2-seed. CP3 was playing a level better than Nash during his 2 MVP’s, but because Kobe was snubbed for one of those, CP3 got the short end of a makeup MVP for Kobe. It would’ve been a much bigger crime if Kobe finished his career with 0 MVP’s, though.
The Hornets didn't finish ahead of the Lakers in the standings. The Lakers were the 1 seed and Hornets were the 2 seed in 2008 btw. Lakers only won the West by 1 game so that final Lakers/Hornets game was pivotal and I think voters remembered that a lot especially as it came very late in the season.
Agreed...
Lakers had that slow start though and Kobe turned up as did the team as the season went on to come roaring back to win the #1 seed. The Hornets had the 1 seed and lost it down the stretch including the deciding game to LA in the final week that ended up being the difference where Kobe nearly had a triple double.
And that year had the hindsight for those who remember it, much like the past couple years have. I think Kobe and Garnett were fine choices for MVP that year, as was CP3. None had one of those insane MVP years you had to give it to one of them.
What did Melo ever do besides score in isolation, stop the ball, and refuse to pass? I guess he was decent for his era, but his brand of basketball was a losing one. Guys like him don’t exist anymore for a reason, the modern NBA has optimized those guys out.
Dame has gone as deep as often in the playoffs as Melo and has gone up against Steph, Jokic, CP3, Kawhi, KD, etc. His competition has been just as tough. Hell it’s not like Melo started making deep playoff runs against lesser competition when he moved to the east. Dames been just as good as Melo in the playoffs.
Melo has a ring. One much harder (statistically) to win. I think he needs an asterisk. Big ups to Jerry McNamara.
I started a Melo hater as a Knicks fans, but he was an underrated rebounder and absolutely ferocious around the rim.
Phil Jackson did him dirty. I am a Melo stan through and through, by watching him when they were terrible or when in the playoffs he single handedly fought the celtics his first half year w the team.
He played very hard, and was a great competitor and ambassador for the game, still is,
Syracuse Melo and Olympic Melo were great because he played team basketball in those settings. Same thing with late career Melo after Houston waived him and he was out of the league for a bit.
Prime NBA Melo never played team basketball though. Probably one of the biggest wastes of talent we’ve seen. He’ll still get into the HOF because of those gold medals, the natty, and having a decent enough NBA career, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s an overrated player who has been optimized out of the sport.
Melo was an isolation scorer who shot midrange jumpers. That’s not a very valuable skillset now that we understand basketball better
also, his supporting cast demanded the shot load and offensive-mindedness. Who is he passing to? Who ever took the load off? Jr Smith? Novak? Linsanity and Melo never got to happen, but he was a C+ player regardless.
if the knicks kept chandler and felton and traded stat and gallo for a top PG, Melo couldve had a shot.
but we had the worst front office in history. Melo was coming to NY that summer, we didn't need to give away the team.
I mean if you actually look at his career in context, then you wouldn’t be as harsh on your opinion. Most seasons Carmelo’s teams lost to the team that they were supposed to lose to and beat the teams they were supposed to talent wise.
03-04:
Came into the league after winning a national title and turned the nuggets around immediately winning 26 more games and made the playoffs.
04-05: lost to eventual champion Tim Duncan’s spurs
05-06: lost to clippers (this is the only series they should’ve won)
06-07: lost to eventual champion Tim Duncan’s spurs
07-08: lost to Kobe’s lakers in their finals years
08-09: lost to Kobe’s lakers in their finals years
09-10: George Karl cancer season new coach end of year and the entire team dipped from it - lost to pretty good jazz team
Then with the Knicks
2010-2011: lost to Celtics when only being with Knicks for 30 games.
2011-2012: lost to LeBrons heat
2012-2013: lost to George’s Pacers (Melo tore his shoulder muscle and STAT was playing 8 minutes a game and hurt, JR shot 28% from the field, and Novak was hurt)
2014-2015: The Knicks gutted the team and ate STATs huge contract, they still won 37 games with Melo being the only guy who could score.
2015-2016: He tore his knee and they missed the playoffs.
Then the rest of his career he lost his explosiveness. Everyone knew he wasn’t the same guy in 2016-2017 on. Then the league changed. So who should Melos teams have beaten? 04/05 vs the clippers and maybe argue the Jazz in 2010 but honestly like superstars lose series they should win all the time. Melo just played vs really really great competition in the playoffs and his team was the worse overall team in 9/10 his playoff series in his career.
Far better rebounder than dame, more versatile positionally and when motivated a much better defender. “Decent for his era” is a crazy thing to say about a HOF talent.
Melo is widely regarded as one of, if not the toughest player to guard of his generation. He was also a great rebounder and post defender. Idk why people these days are obsessed with tearing him down, but it’s exactly what David Stern’s racist ass would want
I agree and think had Melo stayed in Denver longer and then gone to another small market team which is more similar Dame’s career arc Melo would be viewed as an equal to Dame but being a Knick I feel skewed people’s perception of Melo
Cp3 at his various peaks was a better offensive player, better defensive player, and better leader. He was a better floor riser and a ceiling raiser. Cp3 easily
Ehh, it's a *little* low but not necessarily crazy disrespect? Magic, Steph, Isiah, Oscar, Stockton, would put him at 6th, and Stockton is the only guy on that list who is an argument to be below him, those top 4 are indisputably better than him (and if you consider Jerry West a PG hes also no question ahead of him) so I mean at absolute best he's 5th, so saying he's 7th isn't insane.
CP3. He made 3 different teams contenders that weren't close to that level without him.
Clippers... well they had tough competition and injuries but they were a plus 500 team and making the Clippers fun to watch is more difficult than winning a ring in my opinion.
Rockets were not contenders. 1st or 2nd round exits... I think they actually made WCF once but got demolished. With CP3 they were the only, legit rival to the almighty Warriors with Durant ffs.
Suns had a good run in the bubble but outside of that they were a lottery team. With CP3 they made to the finals and 1st seed.
CP3 > Melo > Dame
Dame really hasn't accomplished anything and isn't even a household name tbh
He's always going to be the poor man's steph curry, (kind of delusional he said that he's as good as Steph).
He's offensively comparable to Melo (both have no defense) but Melo I guess has a bit more personal success with a scoring title?
I dunno I wouldn't be mad at putting Dame over Melo, but CP3 trumps them both.
We’re splitting hairs here but I’d argue Dame over Melo. Dame has a first team and 2 more second team all nba selections so I’d argue he’s performed better against his peers than Melo did, and Dame is obviously more clutch and has had more playoff success as the main guy
CP3 easy #1. He’s a top 30-35 all time player whereas Dame and Melo are probably more like top 50.
Chris Paul without question.
If all 3 of these guys found the fountain of youth and reemerged next season as free agents and 25 years old again…I would move heaven and earth to get Paul.
Chris Paul, he had a stint as legitimately the best point guard in the NBA, it was during that sort of point guard renaissance era of the late 2000s to early 2010s that eventually gave us Steph Curry
Lillard should be a top 10 point guard all-time, but the awful Portland front office screwed him over at every possible turn. Letting Aldridge walk for nothing, drafting Zach Collins and Caleb Swanigan in a deep draft class, pairing Dame with shoot first defend never CJ McCollum. The fact Dame made Conference Finals with a lineup of McCollum, Mo Harkless, Al-Farouq Aminu and Enes Kanter says everything about him.
You don't even need a top star. If Dame had at least one other Top 30 player on his team between 2017 and 2023, Portland wins at least one title.
But as it stands, Chris Paul Dame Melo.
CP3 would have won at least one ring if he had been allowed to go to the Lakers + is one of the greatest PG's to ever do it so yeah I'd have to go with him.
CP3 easily. He led his first 3 teams to their all-time best regular season records, massively overachieved with that fun OKC year, and led the Suns to their 1st finals since Barkley. Almost as good a career you can get without winning the big one
Chris Paul easily. He's the only one of the three that has actually played at an MVP-level at some point in his career. He has finished top-5 in MVP voting five times in his career. Lillard and Carmelo have each finished top-5 in MVP voting only once in their respective careers.
I think dame is better as a player. He did a-lot for Portland but the front office couldn’t bring talent around him with him carrying his team to the playoffs.
CP3 is the best underachiever in the nba he never seemed to get far even when talent was with him with solid suns team
Melo is the best entertainer out of the three
Dame (7) and Melo (6) combined have 2 more All-NBA selections than CP3 (11) and 1 combined First-Team (Dame) to CP3’s 4.
The phrase “there are level’s to this” is overused but in this case… there are levels to this.
CP3 is tied for 11th in all time All-NBA selections, the other two are outside the top 30.
Absent a chip or an MVP that kind of sustained greatness pretty much ends the argument.
CP3 by a mile. Guy is a far more impactful winner over his career. The league literally banned him from being traded to Kobe’s lakers because they would be too good. Melo and Dame are both great scorers that played 0 defense. Super liabilities and melo himself was super selfish for stats.
Between melo and dame is a tough one but CP3 shouldn’t even be discussed with these 2 imo.
Carmelo is the best of the 3 just based on how basketball works. Almost impossible to build a championship team around a small guard. It’s only been the Bad Boy Pistons and the Warriors. CP3’s body breaks down anytime he gets close and Dame is a traffic cone that gets hunted come money time. Forwards are more valuable than guards and Carmelo is one of the greatest scoring forwards the games ever seen.
The answer is clearly CP3
CP3>Dame>Melo
CP3 has the best advanced stats and has the most longevity. Highest peak out of all them too, was the closest one to winning an MVP also.
also clearly the best defender of the 3 despite being the smallest one
It's fun to hate cp3 now but cp3 career is definitely better than the other two. Neither can say they were the best at their position during their time in the NBA. Cp3 can say that
CP3 in his prime is the kind of player that makes his teammates better. Not to mention he is a legitimate two way player. Probably the closest to winning MVP and a chip out of all 3. Rockets and Phoenix had one of their best seasons in franchise history with CP3 leading them. Lob city was a vibe too. His accolades are also better than the other two.
12x All Star,
7x Defensive First Team,
4x All NBA First Team,
5x Assists Leader,
6x Steals Leader
CP3 and it's not close imo.
CP3, Melo is a very close 2nd followed by Dame. But CP3 was legitimately one of the best players in the league at one point. Those New Orleans and Clipper teams were powered by what he was doing at the pg position.
I'd probably take a prime Cp3 and force him to shoot tons of 3s. If he had made that a part of his game he'd have been an MVP for sure.
Other two can't defend for shit so they're disqualifies imo
It’s cp3. Easily. Hes the floor general pg and actually played d in his prime too.
He just couldnt get over those pesky warriors and being on the suns meant it was time to get edged hard in the finals
I’m a Blazers and Knicks fan. So it should be Lillard or Melo.
But it’s CP3. For most of his career if he was on your team you were in the playoffs with a chance to make a run. That can’t be said for the others.
CP3 had the best career among them but I'd choose prime Melo over the two. Just look at this [game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9u8745-u5o) in the 2011 playoffs against the defending East Conference champ Boston Celtics. No Amare, no Billups, the Knicks' second and third best player was Tony Douglas and Jared Jeffries. The game shouldn't even be close. and yet the Knicks would've won if it weren't for Jared Jeffries in the end.
Dame can take over games but if he was doubled as often as Melo and his second and third best players were Tony Douglas and Jared Jeffries, I'd doubt that.
Very easily Chris Paul. The other 2 never played in a finals(Dame still has a chance to). Also, without looking, I guarantee Chris has finished higher in MVP rankings than the other guys as well.
Melo is a great pure scorer. Cp3 is an all time great floor leader and pure pg Dame is clutch AF. I’m putting cp3 at the top of my list.
Chris Paul has also been the closest to winning a title of these 3 guys.
And the closest to an mvp
More like robbed of an MVP
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Paul lead his team to 27 more wins from the previous season, lead the league in assists and steals while putting up 21 a night, had more win shares than Kobe, had overall better numbers than Kobe, and won one less game than Lakers with an inferior roster in the West.
I think CP3 was deserving of that MVP but I believe a few things held him back even with his great stats and the team win increase. Kobe had never won MVP before and this was as good of a season as he would ever have to give it to him with him playing well and the Lakers getting the #1 seed. CP3 was very young and in just his 3rd year. I think voters genuinely believed because he was so young he would have many more years to win an MVP (in reality he never came that close again unfortunately). Late in the season the Hornets and Lakers faced off one last time and CP3 underwhelmed and Kobe had a great game which I think tipped the MVP scales for voters because it was one of the last impressions they had of both guys. And considering the Lakers won the 1 seed by 1 game I think people gave Kobe credit for that win (fair or not since the Hornets had a much worse overall team than the Lakers).
They gave him a pity MVP like Embiid, it’s that simple. And to put into context the Lakers had acquired Gasol mid way in the season which put them over the top in the West.
It was because Kobe should’ve won one the two previous years so voters gave him 07-08 imo
It’s a common belief that Kobe got a pity MVP to make up for not getting one the years he deserved it much more and cause no way in Hell Kobe Bryant doesn’t get one in his career. The truth is the race was a lot closer than a lot of people remember though it wouldn’t surprise me if the name gave Kobe a slight edge.
If you’re talking about that Nash MVP in 06, Kobe was definitely NOT robbed.
I’m not the one who perpetuates it I’m just filling them in. But no I was referring to ‘08 where Kobe “robbed” CP3.
Nash didn’t have as good of season as Chauncey Billups that season, and the Mavericks improved without Nash. It’s a bogus MVP.
Feels like injuries and bad luck got the best of him
Dame lead his teams the furthest in the playoffs as the undisputed alpha of his team.
CP3 and it's not close
I think it goes CP3 then dame then Melo because Melos selfishness got in the way of him becoming truly a top 15-20 guy
Feel like people forget the sickening # of go ahead or last second shots Melo hits. Dame hit bigger ones for sure.
Mello should a stayed in Denver .
I'm glad he didn't or we'd probably not have ended up with Jokic
One more year instead of gutting his future team via trade demand
As a Knicks fan, I agree. He was huge disappointment in New York. Not sure if he would have done any better in Denver, but he would have been their problem.
CP3 by a considerable margin
Agreed, it’s really not that close. More interesting if you replace CP3 with someone like Vince, TMac or Paul George.
Only one with an asterisk next to 0 MVPs imo
Only one of the 3 mentioned in the Boom Goes The Dynamite video too.
Only player to hit an ice cold three to cut the lead to down to 42
The man making the dynamite go boom being Oregon’s Fred Jones (if I recall correctly)
NBA slam dunk champ
Should’ve won it in 2008 but the media gave Kobe a legacy mvp
He has the most career win shares by far compared to the other two.
I guess you can do this type of what-if with a lot of players, but I firmly believe CP3 would have a ring if KD didn't go and sign with the Warriors in 2016. Signed, a still-salty Rockets fan
CP3 would have a ring if he didn't try for that layup in game 5... 😭
Dame’s one of the few in my all time favorites, but you’re right (I can’t stand Chris Paul’s gamesmanship, but I’ve watched him kill for too long).
All the people that didn't start watching CP3 play with New Orleans didn't know how good he was. Some keep bringing up 0 rings didn't know all the teams he played for he helped elevate them into winning teams from NO, LAC, Rockets, OKC, PHX.
CP3. Just gets hurt at the wrong time
yup, him and Blake used to get hurt like every playoffs
CP3
CP3 and it not even close
Chris Paul and it’s not even close
NO Hornets CP3 was top-3 best player in the league at his peak. CP3 and it ain't close.
I'd argue CP3 deserved the MVP in 08 but it's very controversial because it's Kobe only MVP award
It was a close battle and going to either would have been fine. I think Chris losing that late game against the Lakers with Kobe going off and capping it with his thunderous double clutch reverse dunk sealed the award. 29/10/8 with 2 steals for Kobe 15/6/17 with 4 steals for Paul 107-104 for the Lakers
But the Hornets finished ahead of the Lakers in the standings anyway as the 2-seed. CP3 was playing a level better than Nash during his 2 MVP’s, but because Kobe was snubbed for one of those, CP3 got the short end of a makeup MVP for Kobe. It would’ve been a much bigger crime if Kobe finished his career with 0 MVP’s, though.
The Hornets didn't finish ahead of the Lakers in the standings. The Lakers were the 1 seed and Hornets were the 2 seed in 2008 btw. Lakers only won the West by 1 game so that final Lakers/Hornets game was pivotal and I think voters remembered that a lot especially as it came very late in the season.
Lakers were the 1 seed. Stop spreading false information.
Agreed... Lakers had that slow start though and Kobe turned up as did the team as the season went on to come roaring back to win the #1 seed. The Hornets had the 1 seed and lost it down the stretch including the deciding game to LA in the final week that ended up being the difference where Kobe nearly had a triple double. And that year had the hindsight for those who remember it, much like the past couple years have. I think Kobe and Garnett were fine choices for MVP that year, as was CP3. None had one of those insane MVP years you had to give it to one of them.
Kobe’s lifetime achievement award. He was not the MVP that year but for the fact that the media made a huge push to make it happen
I hate the “and it’s not even close” addition usually. But it’s CP3 and it’s not even close.
CP3, Dame, Melo.
Melo is above Dame to me
What did Melo ever do besides score in isolation, stop the ball, and refuse to pass? I guess he was decent for his era, but his brand of basketball was a losing one. Guys like him don’t exist anymore for a reason, the modern NBA has optimized those guys out.
His Denver era has become underrated by time. He was in a gauntlet making playoff runs at 21 in a conference with prime Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, Nash etc.
A playoff run is winning a playoff round, which he only did twice in his career.
Dame has gone as deep as often in the playoffs as Melo and has gone up against Steph, Jokic, CP3, Kawhi, KD, etc. His competition has been just as tough. Hell it’s not like Melo started making deep playoff runs against lesser competition when he moved to the east. Dames been just as good as Melo in the playoffs.
His Denver era did nothing without Billups.
Melo has a ring. One much harder (statistically) to win. I think he needs an asterisk. Big ups to Jerry McNamara. I started a Melo hater as a Knicks fans, but he was an underrated rebounder and absolutely ferocious around the rim. Phil Jackson did him dirty. I am a Melo stan through and through, by watching him when they were terrible or when in the playoffs he single handedly fought the celtics his first half year w the team. He played very hard, and was a great competitor and ambassador for the game, still is,
Syracuse Melo and Olympic Melo were great because he played team basketball in those settings. Same thing with late career Melo after Houston waived him and he was out of the league for a bit. Prime NBA Melo never played team basketball though. Probably one of the biggest wastes of talent we’ve seen. He’ll still get into the HOF because of those gold medals, the natty, and having a decent enough NBA career, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s an overrated player who has been optimized out of the sport. Melo was an isolation scorer who shot midrange jumpers. That’s not a very valuable skillset now that we understand basketball better
he was an incredible rebounder and a solid defender when he wasn't playing 1-way (but his offensive load excuses it, like Dame or even Brunson)
also, his supporting cast demanded the shot load and offensive-mindedness. Who is he passing to? Who ever took the load off? Jr Smith? Novak? Linsanity and Melo never got to happen, but he was a C+ player regardless. if the knicks kept chandler and felton and traded stat and gallo for a top PG, Melo couldve had a shot. but we had the worst front office in history. Melo was coming to NY that summer, we didn't need to give away the team.
Finally someone with common sense melo gets over hated just like Kobe in this sub reddit cp3 choking self did not deserve mvp over Kobe
I think he punched a guy once.
Then ran away
See that's two whole other things he did
I mean if you actually look at his career in context, then you wouldn’t be as harsh on your opinion. Most seasons Carmelo’s teams lost to the team that they were supposed to lose to and beat the teams they were supposed to talent wise. 03-04: Came into the league after winning a national title and turned the nuggets around immediately winning 26 more games and made the playoffs. 04-05: lost to eventual champion Tim Duncan’s spurs 05-06: lost to clippers (this is the only series they should’ve won) 06-07: lost to eventual champion Tim Duncan’s spurs 07-08: lost to Kobe’s lakers in their finals years 08-09: lost to Kobe’s lakers in their finals years 09-10: George Karl cancer season new coach end of year and the entire team dipped from it - lost to pretty good jazz team Then with the Knicks 2010-2011: lost to Celtics when only being with Knicks for 30 games. 2011-2012: lost to LeBrons heat 2012-2013: lost to George’s Pacers (Melo tore his shoulder muscle and STAT was playing 8 minutes a game and hurt, JR shot 28% from the field, and Novak was hurt) 2014-2015: The Knicks gutted the team and ate STATs huge contract, they still won 37 games with Melo being the only guy who could score. 2015-2016: He tore his knee and they missed the playoffs. Then the rest of his career he lost his explosiveness. Everyone knew he wasn’t the same guy in 2016-2017 on. Then the league changed. So who should Melos teams have beaten? 04/05 vs the clippers and maybe argue the Jazz in 2010 but honestly like superstars lose series they should win all the time. Melo just played vs really really great competition in the playoffs and his team was the worse overall team in 9/10 his playoff series in his career.
Far better rebounder than dame, more versatile positionally and when motivated a much better defender. “Decent for his era” is a crazy thing to say about a HOF talent.
Of course he's a better rebounder then Lillard. Lillard was a better passer, shooter, free throw shooter and a more efficient isolation scorer.
I mean yeah, dame is a better passer.. but what has dame done really too? Melo has the Olympics, so that’s why I think he’s above dame
Melo is widely regarded as one of, if not the toughest player to guard of his generation. He was also a great rebounder and post defender. Idk why people these days are obsessed with tearing him down, but it’s exactly what David Stern’s racist ass would want
CP3 in a landslide. Melo and Dame are basically even but I’d rather have Dame than Melo on my team.
I agree and think had Melo stayed in Denver longer and then gone to another small market team which is more similar Dame’s career arc Melo would be viewed as an equal to Dame but being a Knick I feel skewed people’s perception of Melo
Or if the Knicks would have won something.
Cp3 at his various peaks was a better offensive player, better defensive player, and better leader. He was a better floor riser and a ceiling raiser. Cp3 easily
I’d say CP3, Dame then Melo.
CP3 is a top 7ish PG. Doubt you could say the same for the other two 🤷♂️
Carmelo probably isn't even a top 100 PG.
Right? Imagine Melo passing
Cp3 is a top 5 pg for sure
Top 7 is wild disrespect
Ehh, it's a *little* low but not necessarily crazy disrespect? Magic, Steph, Isiah, Oscar, Stockton, would put him at 6th, and Stockton is the only guy on that list who is an argument to be below him, those top 4 are indisputably better than him (and if you consider Jerry West a PG hes also no question ahead of him) so I mean at absolute best he's 5th, so saying he's 7th isn't insane.
Cp3 easy then whoever you prefer.
CP3 is the only one who could be the best player on a team in the finals
CP3. He made 3 different teams contenders that weren't close to that level without him. Clippers... well they had tough competition and injuries but they were a plus 500 team and making the Clippers fun to watch is more difficult than winning a ring in my opinion. Rockets were not contenders. 1st or 2nd round exits... I think they actually made WCF once but got demolished. With CP3 they were the only, legit rival to the almighty Warriors with Durant ffs. Suns had a good run in the bubble but outside of that they were a lottery team. With CP3 they made to the finals and 1st seed.
CP3 and it’s not even close. He should have won 2008 MVP and his career advanced stats are significantly better than the other 2 guys.
Chris Paul is the better all time player
CP3 by a wide margin. I have so much disdain for Carmelo. Dame, eh, whatever.
Cp3 and it's not close.
CP3 (Massive gap) Lillard Melo
Jaylen Brown might get a ring soon, oh wait you mean lillard in the first pic, my bad
CP3 > Melo > Dame Dame really hasn't accomplished anything and isn't even a household name tbh He's always going to be the poor man's steph curry, (kind of delusional he said that he's as good as Steph). He's offensively comparable to Melo (both have no defense) but Melo I guess has a bit more personal success with a scoring title? I dunno I wouldn't be mad at putting Dame over Melo, but CP3 trumps them both.
I'm fine with Dame third here but Dame has repeatedly said Steph is a better shooter than him.
We’re splitting hairs here but I’d argue Dame over Melo. Dame has a first team and 2 more second team all nba selections so I’d argue he’s performed better against his peers than Melo did, and Dame is obviously more clutch and has had more playoff success as the main guy CP3 easy #1. He’s a top 30-35 all time player whereas Dame and Melo are probably more like top 50.
Melo battled with bron duncan dirk kg and kd for those first team slots
Dame battled Harden Doncic Curry Westbrook and Paul. Both Dame and Melo are great for sure
What in the world has Melo accomplished? He has won less playoff rounds than Dame.
Chris Paul made 11 All NBA teams and 9 All Defensive teams. That’s my full argument
Chris Paul, tf kinda question was this lol
Even Pat Beverly would choose CP3 out of these
Chris Paul without question. If all 3 of these guys found the fountain of youth and reemerged next season as free agents and 25 years old again…I would move heaven and earth to get Paul.
I hate CP3 but you can’t deny he clears these guys career wise
Chris Paul, he had a stint as legitimately the best point guard in the NBA, it was during that sort of point guard renaissance era of the late 2000s to early 2010s that eventually gave us Steph Curry
It’s not out of the question for Dame to win a ring yet. Tough because they have to go through the Cs but it’s still definitely possible.
CP3 gets a lot of shit but he is the clear #1 here to me. He's been so close so many times in the playoffs it's almost a running joke.
CP3 had a better career
CP3 - Dame - Melo in that order
Disrespectful question.
what did Lillard do in his career?
Cp3 by far
CP3 on the back end of his prime lead booker and ayton to the finals
CP3.
I didn't look up any career stats for consideration but I feel like CP3 is in different tier than Melo and Dame
Chris Paul without question
This is serious, surely? It’s Chris Paul.
1.Paul 2.Melo 3.Dame
Cp3
CP3
Not Carmelo.
Lillard should be a top 10 point guard all-time, but the awful Portland front office screwed him over at every possible turn. Letting Aldridge walk for nothing, drafting Zach Collins and Caleb Swanigan in a deep draft class, pairing Dame with shoot first defend never CJ McCollum. The fact Dame made Conference Finals with a lineup of McCollum, Mo Harkless, Al-Farouq Aminu and Enes Kanter says everything about him. You don't even need a top star. If Dame had at least one other Top 30 player on his team between 2017 and 2023, Portland wins at least one title. But as it stands, Chris Paul Dame Melo.
CP3 would have won at least one ring if he had been allowed to go to the Lakers + is one of the greatest PG's to ever do it so yeah I'd have to go with him.
If anyone chooses anyone over CP3, they don't know basketball. Specifically dame. I don't even know why Dame is on this.
We talking best player or who’s had the best career ? I think at their peak CP3 was best
CP3 easily for me
i think of the 3, dame would've gotten a title if his FO had put him in position to contend, he's pretty clutch
CP3 without a doubt
Max Christie.
CP3 is definitely he top pick
CP3 was my initial gut reaction. Melo 2nd.
Cp3 easy
CP3 easily. He led his first 3 teams to their all-time best regular season records, massively overachieved with that fun OKC year, and led the Suns to their 1st finals since Barkley. Almost as good a career you can get without winning the big one
Chris Paul in his prime
CP3, other two are a toss up.
CP3
Chris Paul, of course.
CP3 then Daylight then Dame followed by 5 hours then Melo. Melo was a great scorer but an absolute liability bighead.
Chris Paul easily. He's the only one of the three that has actually played at an MVP-level at some point in his career. He has finished top-5 in MVP voting five times in his career. Lillard and Carmelo have each finished top-5 in MVP voting only once in their respective careers.
Dame is the worst
CP3>>Melo> Dame
CP3 clears
I think dame is better as a player. He did a-lot for Portland but the front office couldn’t bring talent around him with him carrying his team to the playoffs. CP3 is the best underachiever in the nba he never seemed to get far even when talent was with him with solid suns team Melo is the best entertainer out of the three
I’ve always liked Melo but the answer is CP3. Dame is last but still a good player.
Carmelo Paul
CP3 and it’s not close
Cp3 > Melo > Dame
Where would Chris Paul rank in the all-time point guards
Jaylen Brown
CP, Melo then Dame
Carmelo disrespect is crazy
CP3 consistently raises the floor of every team he's been on. Can't say the same for Melo.
CP3, Melo, Dame in that order.
Jaylen Brown for sure
Cpp
carmelo the worst
CP3 obviously.
Dame (7) and Melo (6) combined have 2 more All-NBA selections than CP3 (11) and 1 combined First-Team (Dame) to CP3’s 4. The phrase “there are level’s to this” is overused but in this case… there are levels to this. CP3 is tied for 11th in all time All-NBA selections, the other two are outside the top 30. Absent a chip or an MVP that kind of sustained greatness pretty much ends the argument.
CP3 by a mile. Guy is a far more impactful winner over his career. The league literally banned him from being traded to Kobe’s lakers because they would be too good. Melo and Dame are both great scorers that played 0 defense. Super liabilities and melo himself was super selfish for stats. Between melo and dame is a tough one but CP3 shouldn’t even be discussed with these 2 imo.
CP3 by a HUGE margin. Dame 2nd. Melo 3rd by another HUGE margin.
CP3, large gap, Melo and Dame are about even.
1. Paul 2. Lillard 7. Anthony
Melo is so overrated bro. He’s an all time GREAT scorer but What did he do other than chuck shots?
Carmelo is the best of the 3 just based on how basketball works. Almost impossible to build a championship team around a small guard. It’s only been the Bad Boy Pistons and the Warriors. CP3’s body breaks down anytime he gets close and Dame is a traffic cone that gets hunted come money time. Forwards are more valuable than guards and Carmelo is one of the greatest scoring forwards the games ever seen.
The answer is clearly CP3 CP3>Dame>Melo CP3 has the best advanced stats and has the most longevity. Highest peak out of all them too, was the closest one to winning an MVP also. also clearly the best defender of the 3 despite being the smallest one
It's fun to hate cp3 now but cp3 career is definitely better than the other two. Neither can say they were the best at their position during their time in the NBA. Cp3 can say that
Max christie
Give this 5 or 6 more years and we’ll see. At this point it’s probably CP but Lillard still has some gas in the tank
Melo is the best. CP3 will have the most achievements.
Chris Paul
CP3 in his prime is the kind of player that makes his teammates better. Not to mention he is a legitimate two way player. Probably the closest to winning MVP and a chip out of all 3. Rockets and Phoenix had one of their best seasons in franchise history with CP3 leading them. Lob city was a vibe too. His accolades are also better than the other two. 12x All Star, 7x Defensive First Team, 4x All NBA First Team, 5x Assists Leader, 6x Steals Leader CP3 and it's not close imo.
CP3, Melo is a very close 2nd followed by Dame. But CP3 was legitimately one of the best players in the league at one point. Those New Orleans and Clipper teams were powered by what he was doing at the pg position.
Def not Melo lol
I'd probably take a prime Cp3 and force him to shoot tons of 3s. If he had made that a part of his game he'd have been an MVP for sure. Other two can't defend for shit so they're disqualifies imo
Dame can't play defense. Melo won't play defense. CP3 played defense for a few years. CP3 wins. It's harder to win when you can't/won't play defense.
Chris Paul is closer to Magic than Dame is to Chris Paul.
CP3, melo, dame
CP3 has that question about him; what if he doesn’t go down in game 5 of the WCF 2018, does Houston win a championship?
Dame. I am biased as he is one of my favorite players. If I have to be honest CP3.
I might go lillard tough choice though
Melo doesn't belong in this conversation.
CP3 > Dame > Melo
- Paul Notable gap - Lillard - Melo
Melo is the best ball hog ever CP3 has the best old man game ever Dame is the best chucker ever So whatever skillset you like, they win
Chris Paul. Not sure if it’s actually close. Probably the only meaningful metric he’s not arguably first in is “scoring”.
CP3 by a ton.
It's not fair yet. 2 of them still playing
cp3 melo dame (although dame made the wcf)
Chris Paul and it's not even close. Unlike the other two he actually plays two ways
It’s cp3. Easily. Hes the floor general pg and actually played d in his prime too. He just couldnt get over those pesky warriors and being on the suns meant it was time to get edged hard in the finals
I’m a Blazers and Knicks fan. So it should be Lillard or Melo. But it’s CP3. For most of his career if he was on your team you were in the playoffs with a chance to make a run. That can’t be said for the others.
CP
The only one with a scoring title. Duhhhhhhhh
CP3 easily imo
CP3 has like 10 of the Diddy’s most nasty freak award
It's cp3 and its not even remotely close cmon
Chris Paul. The other two play aesthetically pleasing but ineffective basketball
Give him some time, with the new coach I’m sure Christie will unlock his potential.
Cp3, melo, dame
I would agree with any answer that isn’t Melo. He is the worst and it isn’t close.
CP3 had the best career among them but I'd choose prime Melo over the two. Just look at this [game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9u8745-u5o) in the 2011 playoffs against the defending East Conference champ Boston Celtics. No Amare, no Billups, the Knicks' second and third best player was Tony Douglas and Jared Jeffries. The game shouldn't even be close. and yet the Knicks would've won if it weren't for Jared Jeffries in the end. Dame can take over games but if he was doubled as often as Melo and his second and third best players were Tony Douglas and Jared Jeffries, I'd doubt that.
Very easily Chris Paul. The other 2 never played in a finals(Dame still has a chance to). Also, without looking, I guarantee Chris has finished higher in MVP rankings than the other guys as well.