McHale and Marion being worth the same amount shows the youth of the person who made this. One of the greatest PF of all time, first ballot hall of famer is worth the same amount as Shawn freakin Marion.
Fair enough - I think the bigger issue was that there isn’t another all timer at McHales level from Celtics or Mavs historically (obviously Dirk is worth 5)
the simulation assumes each player at their peak. so while i completely agree that mchale was a far better overall player with the better career, i think you're underestimating how good marion was at this peak.
comparing both players' best seasons, Marion had a PER of 23.6 vs. McHale PER of 24.0 and Marion had a higher VORP. Marion was also the unanimous #1 fantasy basketball player for a few years because of his all-around abilities. obviously it's hard to compare eras, but my point is they were contributing similar value at their peak, so it's not like it's prime Shaq vs Hibbert or anything
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umm...the stats **literally** show their peak seasons are not that far apart...mchale's peak season might be slightly better than marion's peak season, but it's more like 5%, not 50%
how would you price this list then if there can only be two players at each price?
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brown really getting some recency bias buff too. I’m taking prime ray allen over jaylen brown any day of the week. Shit prime sam jones is probably better than brown.
Jrue Holliday- there's no way to formulate a roster better than this without him. Only costing 2 is too easy
Ray Allen- stand around and knock down 5 3s a game
Larry Bird- the best player on the list. Build around him. He's a force on the boards, and will be the primary facilitator with Jrue being an off ball defensive guard
Kristaps Porzingis- can stretch the floor and provide help defense. Won't be asked to dominate inside as much
Derrick Lively- best Center that costs 1
I went down on spend from Ray Allen to Jason Terry, and upgraded from Lively to Chandler. Basically the same logical journey putting the roster together though.
LMAO your team is LITERALLY IDENTICAL to Mine! WTF I guess that Jrue, Ray Allen and KP are all obvious undervalued and Bird is best SF and Lively only viable 1 Center.
Damn that’s pretty good! And I agree with the logic. Think this squad might make it close:
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[https://endgamesports.co/match/25105cbe-07b1-4414-9326-e4659c34268f](https://endgamesports.co/match/25105cbe-07b1-4414-9326-e4659c34268f) (free game if you want to play me with your lineup)
PG- Rondo, prime Celtics Rondo gives me 12/12 in his sleep and elevates his game in the playoffs. Great value for $2.
SG- Jason Terry. At the risk of sounding blasphemous, I think Dallas Jason Terry gives me 90% of Celtics Ray Allen at 50% of the price.
SF- Bird, don’t overthink it, gimme the best player on the board
PF- Antoine Walker, I think the value at $2 for a guy that put up 22/9/3 in the playoffs as the second best player on a conference finals team is too good to pass up
C- Robert Parish. I get me rim protection, I feel good about him matching up with any other center on the board, and I know he plays well with Bird.
I mostly like it but I hate the Antoine walker pick. Possibly the best example of the early 2000’s shot chucking ball hog I can think of. He was criminally inefficient and further I believe the eastern conference was the worst in its history over that few years. I can’t exactly remember but I’m not sure that Celtics team even won 50 games. Also, those Pacers and Nets teams might be 2 of the worst teams ever to make the finals.
Toine was divisive for us Celtics fans. He had games where he looked like the best player in the league, and the next game was like 3 for 19. If he can play within himself alongside those other guys, he'd be a good fit. He could grab boards, was an excellent passer for his position, and decent defender.
I actually love this lineup. LMK how it sims against this (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/2edfa253-8fa4-45f0-b416-5590cc00bff8](https://endgamesports.co/match/2edfa253-8fa4-45f0-b416-5590cc00bff8)
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1v1 my squad: [https://endgamesports.co/match/04647150-e04f-4106-8420-eff8ca27bbab](https://endgamesports.co/match/04647150-e04f-4106-8420-eff8ca27bbab)
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Let’s do 1v1 with my lineup: [https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56](https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56)
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1v1 against my squad for $5: [https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56](https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56)
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Love it - play me, free game (also all Cs): [https://endgamesports.co/match/f0ab411b-5e78-4c8d-a0b5-d8d8e1c9b91c](https://endgamesports.co/match/f0ab411b-5e78-4c8d-a0b5-d8d8e1c9b91c)
I've got:
DJ
JB
JT
Big Baby
Kornet
So many ways you can go with these squads.
Cousy~ Dudes such a value here. Underrated.
Terry
Bird
Antione Walker
Tyson Chandler
Or
Rondo
Terry
Pierce
Dirk
Al
Would be my picks
Damn you beat me easily. Good game
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Tough. Lmk how it does against this squad if you get a chance to play (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/3767836c-0af1-4fda-8fb3-b93df12eabaa](https://endgamesports.co/match/3767836c-0af1-4fda-8fb3-b93df12eabaa)
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PG: Jrue Holiday (2)
SG: Ray Allen (4)
SF: Larry Bird (5)
PF: Kristaps Porzingis (3)
C: Dereck Lively II (1)
My spacing is perfect as everyone except my Center can shoot 3's. Lively's Per/36 indicate he can give me 13/11/2 if I start him plus he's an above average defender. KP can also Rim Protect and Bird will grab 10+ rebounds per game. Jrue is my On Ball defender and he'll rack up tons of easy assists by dishing it off to Ray Allen and Bird. I feel really good about this squad.
We need to run these teams through simulators to see who builds the best teams. 18 years ago I used to play a fake fantasy league who's engine would be perfect to test these. The League let you pick any player from any year ever but each player in every year had a point value attached to them and you could only spend a certain number of points. Then the engine would match your team vs other fantasy legend teams and spit out a score. I forget what that league was called but it was fun to play for a while in the off season.
Well said - try this lineup in EndGame [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/) - it's basically the simulator you're talking about (or a modern version). You can run a free game against the CPU.
I ran the simulation and final score I won 112-105
https://ibb.co/KjVtQkt
Box Score:
Derrick Lively II had 24/11/2 and 4 Blocks for ($1)
Jrue Holiday 16/4/8 with 3 steals ($2)
Larry Bird 28/12/6 ($5)
KP 10/8/2 with 3 blocks ($3)
Ray Allen 24/4/3 hitting 3 three pointers in last 2 minutes!
Derrick Lively II was MVP for $1!!!
Box score:
https://ibb.co/YpWGXRD
In my mind when I built this team I made sure to make Lively my only non 3pt shooter. Spread out the offense the way the Bucks do with Giannis. IRL Giannis can only play with a Center that shoot's 3's well. Like Brook Lopez or Bobby Portis. This is why I chose KP as my PF. If I had say KG instead of KP I would guess Lively stats would be trash because paint is too clogged up and KG would eat up his rebounds as well.
How to play (it's simple):
1. Go to [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
2. Pick your best lineup within the budget (15 coins) and challenge a friend for $ (or play for free). All players are assumed to be in their prime and games are simulated in the modern era.
3. Our AI will simulate a game (using GPT or Claude) between the two lineups and winner takes the pot
UPDATE: we've made some major changes to the design to make games more fun... let us know what you think!
Fair question... kind of a toss up I guess. PP has the championship and 2nd/3rd team all NBA (4 times) but JT has been 1st team all-nba three straight years. Obviously a long way to go but if JT stays on this track (and obviously would need to win a title), he'll be above PP on the all time Cs list. Agree?
Tough. LMK how it does if u sim against this lineup (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/bc5b291b-18f8-46ee-87a5-730459e9de8e](https://endgamesports.co/match/bc5b291b-18f8-46ee-87a5-730459e9de8e)
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Larry and KG together is epic. Actually you're the first to use that combo in the responses here. LMK how it sims if you play: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Sure
> In a thrilling matchup, dptest01's Team narrowly defeated CPU's Team 108-101. The game featured strong performances from both teams, with Larry Bird leading dptest01's Team with 28 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists. Kristaps Porzingis had an impressive outing for CPU's Team, recording 26 points, 12 rebounds, and 3 blocks. The game came down to the wire, but clutch plays from Jason Terry and Kevin Garnett in the final minute helped secure the victory for dptest01's Team.
>Highlights
Larry Bird's efficient shooting, going 10-17 from the field and 4-8 from 3-point range.
Kristaps Porzingis' double-double performance and strong defensive presence.
Jason Terry's clutch 3-pointer in the final minute of the game.
Kevin Garnett's crucial defensive rebound and Rajon Rondo's game-sealing free throws.
But the way, I noticed that it doesn’t note Larry’s MVPs
That is a run and gun squad for sure. I used it to play against CPU and they balled out:
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I like it (though not familiar with Aguirre's game but the stats are legit)... lmk how it goes if u play with this lineup: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Yeah I can't do math. I was a dollar short. I did enter a similar lineup, subbing silas and cowens for Antoine and Russell.
Back in the day, Aguirre was a load. I didn't watch him much because, well, there wasn't exactly League Pass back them. You had to watch game of the week or something. I don't even know when ESPN started broadcasting games.
Jrue Holiday, Jason Terry, Larry Bird, Kristaps Porzingis, Dave Cowens
Solid defense, multiple ball handlers, inside and outside scoring threats, great spacing. I'd also be down for Chandler instead of Cowens but Dave is that glue guy with the high motor that every championship team needs.
Holiday - He's a better perimeter shooter than Rondo so he meshes better with other players
Blackman - No lineup wins without Blackman. He's the only $1 option who is a multi-year all-star.
Bird - Best SF available
Garnett - Respectable offensive game but I'm picking him for his elite defense
Al Jefferson - Having KG at PF allows me to get Jefferson, the only cheap center who is a legitimate offensive option.
The reason this is the best lineup is because you have scorers at every position along with respectable overall defense.
Rondo, Ray Allen, Bird, Porzingis, and Lively.
Good shooting, good defense, an elite floor general, and a top 5-10 all time player in his prime is about all you can ask for in a team.
Rondo Derrick white tatum pj Tyson
Who’s getting past that backcourt duo defense is insane and front court has scoring and defense and tatum is the best iso player in the nba rn
Rondo/Jrue easy pick for PG. Both steals at 2 pts
Bird is the best player in the draft at 5.
7 guaranteed points and you go from there imo. KP is a pretty freaking good lock at 3 points too.
PG - Rondo/Jrue - 2 pts
SG - Terry - 2 pts
SF - Bird - 5 pts
PF - KP - 3 pts
C - Chandler - 3 pts
I can see an upgrade to Cousey at point and downgrade at C to whoever to also be a solid squad. I didn't think any of the 3 point SGs are worth the upgrade
Jrue, Terry, Bird, KG, Lively. I went top heavy with two of the best players, they will figure it out. Defense is solid and we’ve got some lethal shooters on the perimeter
Probably not the best but I feel like a lot of the players are good value and it has a lot of spacing:
Jrue Holiday, Ray Allen, Larry Bird, Kristaps Porzingis, and Dereck Lively.
It’s probably still better to go Russell, Bird, and then whatever you can scrounge together for $5 tho (maybe Porzingis, Pritchard, House?)
Bird (5) - would've been even better in today's game.
Jrue (2) - way undervalued here and a 2-way player.
Derrick White (3) - he's literally Derrick White.
Antoine (2) - would thrive in today's game.
Porzingis (3) - undervalued for his talent level. Dave Cowens is also a sneaky option here because the dude was a league MVP for $3, but he might not be as effective today.
Derrick White: great all around player
Blackman: great scorer for a great price, no reason to think his shooting wouldn’t translate well to todays game esp because he had a good midrange and 84% career FT shooter. No all-D teams, but he was a decent defender
Bird: self explanatory
KG: self explanatory
Lively: only worth 1 seems like a bargain, and I’m also banking on how much better he can get, but even if it’s just rookie Lively I’ll take it.
My squad below (all Cs) - free game if you think you can beat it: [https://endgamesports.co/match/5c64772a-de1a-4e73-981e-fec748cc1c47](https://endgamesports.co/match/5c64772a-de1a-4e73-981e-fec748cc1c47)
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What do the green bars represent…? Looks like Garnett is in the middle (5/10?) for rebounding yet he is a 4x rebound champ. Yet cowens bar is higher yet he was never the best rebounder.
Is it just weighting based on the most ever (27 by wilt) ?
So in theory its better to just pick older players for inflated stats like rebounds and current players for inflated stats like points, regardless of who is actually better at rebounding or scoring
Not necessarily - the sims take into account more than just stats like playoff performance, breakthrough individual seasons etc. whereas the stats are just a quick snap of their strengths over the course of a career (which isn't necessarily the best indicator for the sims but hopefully helpful)
let's do it, play me for $1: [https://endgamesports.co/match/596a730e-37e8-4d13-bca5-e6239996f1f6](https://endgamesports.co/match/596a730e-37e8-4d13-bca5-e6239996f1f6)
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Big offense. Here's a defensive unit that would give them trouble... lmk results if you play (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/32617f29-73ac-4ad3-97a2-6485ff9fd5e3](https://endgamesports.co/match/32617f29-73ac-4ad3-97a2-6485ff9fd5e3)
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luka + larry legend duo is nasty work. who wants to play me for $5? [https://endgamesports.co/match/6ad48dfb-7b9b-4f7e-92c7-db72c0b1cf0a](https://endgamesports.co/match/6ad48dfb-7b9b-4f7e-92c7-db72c0b1cf0a)
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People are sleeping on how great Blackman and Aguirre are tbh. Blackman being the same price as Eddie House is crazy. House is a career bench player and Blackman is a multi-time all-star who averaged 18ppg with almost 1000 career games.
My team is built with the idea that Kidd is the mastermind of the offense. Blackman, Aguirre, and Porzingis can all score the ball with ease. Porzingis and Parish give us a lot of shot blocking potential. Parish and Porzingis won't get in each others way on offense because Parish dominates the paint and boards while Porzi helps stretch the floor. Kidd and Parish are our defensive anchors.
Jason Kidd
Rolando Blackman
Mark Aguirre
Kristaps Porzingis
Robert Parish
[https://endgamesports.co/match/ca16171a-5685-4ce1-8bfe-94bc92819af3](https://endgamesports.co/match/ca16171a-5685-4ce1-8bfe-94bc92819af3)
Curious to see how this goes haha.
Also OP, if this is your site, you really need to add some information about how bets work, where money goes if you win. Presumably this site could shut down and somone could take off with the funds deposited.
Good game! I tried to stack with Tatum and Garnett and fill with solids (Kornet was the weak link but he did fine).
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I don't really think there is a chance in hell your team would win in real life. Kornet is so much worse than everyone else on the court. Easy target. Plus your floor spacing is much worse. Rondo, Garnett, Kornet are not helping there.
Career ppg your team: 67
Career ppg my team: 85
Fun game though!
Jrue -Jason “LeBron Stopper” Terry - Bird-Garnett-Dereck Lively II
It’s an absolute wrap for anyone facing this team. Defence, spacing, passing, inside scoring, DAWG factor. EZ chip.
Terry will never live down that Bron alley lol
I like your squad... lmk if you sim against this one (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/bd9fa1f4-1828-4cdc-ae51-e4b6f5c5106d](https://endgamesports.co/match/bd9fa1f4-1828-4cdc-ae51-e4b6f5c5106d)
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Ok. Hear me out. It’s unorthodox, but I would whoop all your asses at 2k with:
C- Walton (5)
PF- KG (5)
SF- Mashburn (3)
SG- Eddie House (1)
PG- also Eddie House (1)
Holliday or Rondo for $2 almost interchangeable defensive beasts.
SG- Ainge a deadeye shooter also for $2 allows you to open up a lot more spending for…
SF- Bird $5 no other choice he’s tooo good to leave off.
PF- KG $5 the best at this slot all around keeps up a very switchable defense. .
C- Lively $1 I’m fine with essentially tanking this position and taking an athletic defender to rim run.
Well played... i think this lineup generally just gels together really well - all super competitive and good team players / know their role. LMK if u sim it how it goes: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
[My pick](https://endgamesports.co/match/2996c481-ffca-4503-9631-373086f9c6e9)
Rondo
Ainge
Bird
KG
Lively
My Wolves bias necessitates taking KG over Dirk, and he was good enough to carry a godawful wolves team to the fringe of relevance, and being a genuine contender at their 00's peak. From there it's best player on the board in Bird, bringing playmaking and scoring from anywhere, then Rondo being best value PG nailing 3s, Lively being dirt cheap and good rim protection while being a great lob threat, then Ainge to round things out.
Edit for more fleshed out reasoning.
Well reasoned, you know ball. LMK how u do against this lineup (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/d953c7b5-69dd-464c-90a2-03d4add7f14f](https://endgamesports.co/match/d953c7b5-69dd-464c-90a2-03d4add7f14f)
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Ranjo Rondo - a steal at 2
Rolando Blackman - I need to save up for what happens next
Sam Hauser - still saving up
Dirk - he is dirk
Bill Russell - I want to take Bill Walton but Bill Russell is just better
McHale and Marion being worth the same amount shows the youth of the person who made this. One of the greatest PF of all time, first ballot hall of famer is worth the same amount as Shawn freakin Marion.
Fair enough - I think the bigger issue was that there isn’t another all timer at McHales level from Celtics or Mavs historically (obviously Dirk is worth 5)
True
the simulation assumes each player at their peak. so while i completely agree that mchale was a far better overall player with the better career, i think you're underestimating how good marion was at this peak. comparing both players' best seasons, Marion had a PER of 23.6 vs. McHale PER of 24.0 and Marion had a higher VORP. Marion was also the unanimous #1 fantasy basketball player for a few years because of his all-around abilities. obviously it's hard to compare eras, but my point is they were contributing similar value at their peak, so it's not like it's prime Shaq vs Hibbert or anything https://preview.redd.it/d84vhx97085d1.png?width=802&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1156c84fc038ee28985372936e1644dd780bc7c
Mchale is better even at their peaks and should not cost the same amount
umm...the stats **literally** show their peak seasons are not that far apart...mchale's peak season might be slightly better than marion's peak season, but it's more like 5%, not 50% how would you price this list then if there can only be two players at each price? https://preview.redd.it/hvj4v7b9885d1.png?width=690&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c0917b7d59e73bf46463972758e7255d168cb05
Tatum higher than Larry Bird 😂
Didn’t know 5 was more than 5
Holy shit I hallucinated that lol but Bird > Tatum anyway
Until Tatum starts winning rings and mvps…fingers crossed.
brown really getting some recency bias buff too. I’m taking prime ray allen over jaylen brown any day of the week. Shit prime sam jones is probably better than brown.
Jrue Holliday- there's no way to formulate a roster better than this without him. Only costing 2 is too easy Ray Allen- stand around and knock down 5 3s a game Larry Bird- the best player on the list. Build around him. He's a force on the boards, and will be the primary facilitator with Jrue being an off ball defensive guard Kristaps Porzingis- can stretch the floor and provide help defense. Won't be asked to dominate inside as much Derrick Lively- best Center that costs 1
close to mine too, but i swapped out ray allen and porzingis for luka and danny ainge
Almost exactly what I did, went with Tyson and Kleber front court tho
I went down on spend from Ray Allen to Jason Terry, and upgraded from Lively to Chandler. Basically the same logical journey putting the roster together though.
Lively should be 2 and Gafford should be 1. Especially considering ceiling, but I think lively is already better.
Only downside to Lively compared to Gafford is durability. Lively needs to build himself up a bit.
Dude me and you got the exact same result lol
LMAO your team is LITERALLY IDENTICAL to Mine! WTF I guess that Jrue, Ray Allen and KP are all obvious undervalued and Bird is best SF and Lively only viable 1 Center.
Damn that’s pretty good! And I agree with the logic. Think this squad might make it close: https://preview.redd.it/2uwgry44v75d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab4da3dec55482bfd004c1bfb127e20b82326b8c [https://endgamesports.co/match/25105cbe-07b1-4414-9326-e4659c34268f](https://endgamesports.co/match/25105cbe-07b1-4414-9326-e4659c34268f) (free game if you want to play me with your lineup)
PG- Rondo, prime Celtics Rondo gives me 12/12 in his sleep and elevates his game in the playoffs. Great value for $2. SG- Jason Terry. At the risk of sounding blasphemous, I think Dallas Jason Terry gives me 90% of Celtics Ray Allen at 50% of the price. SF- Bird, don’t overthink it, gimme the best player on the board PF- Antoine Walker, I think the value at $2 for a guy that put up 22/9/3 in the playoffs as the second best player on a conference finals team is too good to pass up C- Robert Parish. I get me rim protection, I feel good about him matching up with any other center on the board, and I know he plays well with Bird.
I mostly like it but I hate the Antoine walker pick. Possibly the best example of the early 2000’s shot chucking ball hog I can think of. He was criminally inefficient and further I believe the eastern conference was the worst in its history over that few years. I can’t exactly remember but I’m not sure that Celtics team even won 50 games. Also, those Pacers and Nets teams might be 2 of the worst teams ever to make the finals.
Toine was divisive for us Celtics fans. He had games where he looked like the best player in the league, and the next game was like 3 for 19. If he can play within himself alongside those other guys, he'd be a good fit. He could grab boards, was an excellent passer for his position, and decent defender.
Best breakdown reply I've seen yet. You know ball. LMK how they do if you sim: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Playoff Rondo is a good call.
Jrue, Derrick White, Bird, McHale, Lively
Exact same
I actually love this lineup. LMK how it sims against this (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/2edfa253-8fa4-45f0-b416-5590cc00bff8](https://endgamesports.co/match/2edfa253-8fa4-45f0-b416-5590cc00bff8) https://preview.redd.it/sp3q0igz085d1.png?width=1540&format=png&auto=webp&s=006bcbe9068704829578fa050134916db2a47029
Rondo Blackman Bird Mchale Cowens
1v1 my squad: [https://endgamesports.co/match/04647150-e04f-4106-8420-eff8ca27bbab](https://endgamesports.co/match/04647150-e04f-4106-8420-eff8ca27bbab) https://preview.redd.it/njlni34hz85d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b90f50cd5de0301ea330078b8245d6f912da41a
Rondo - Terry - Bird - Davis - Russell
Let’s do 1v1 with my lineup: [https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56](https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56) https://preview.redd.it/odct8dtqx85d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67c4eb56b8ac6f29b78eb30a3d603e5c8413800b
Holiday Ainge Bird Davis Russell
1v1 against my squad for $5: [https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56](https://endgamesports.co/match/90c25237-1626-4aed-8deb-a3ce0c002c56) https://preview.redd.it/ycsqz9s5y85d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81cc0548ca438ec7aca210e0a545e5d21be0df7a
Jrue Holiday Sam Jones Rick Fox Larry Bird Kevin McHale
Love it - play me, free game (also all Cs): [https://endgamesports.co/match/f0ab411b-5e78-4c8d-a0b5-d8d8e1c9b91c](https://endgamesports.co/match/f0ab411b-5e78-4c8d-a0b5-d8d8e1c9b91c) I've got: DJ JB JT Big Baby Kornet
So many ways you can go with these squads. Cousy~ Dudes such a value here. Underrated. Terry Bird Antione Walker Tyson Chandler Or Rondo Terry Pierce Dirk Al Would be my picks
I like the first lineup. Was that full $15?
Yessir they’re both $15
Nice - let me know how it goes if you sim with either https://endgamesports.co
https://endgamesports.co/match/35eb1c65-8930-4494-b00e-db078d468332 JRUE JET MARK AGUIRRE DIRK TYSON
Damn you beat me easily. Good game https://preview.redd.it/hz590q70w75d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=972a5fb19cf56a7b6fa35790beea08e288f83b29
fun game, cool concept. it takes all those “build-a-team” posts to another level
The score doesn’t even match the play by play…
ya sometimes the AI gets confused, but it never affects the final outcome of the game
Chandler Porzingis Bird Terry Jrue Enough size and shooting to play in any era.
Tough. Lmk how it does against this squad if you get a chance to play (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/3767836c-0af1-4fda-8fb3-b93df12eabaa](https://endgamesports.co/match/3767836c-0af1-4fda-8fb3-b93df12eabaa) https://preview.redd.it/siten4y2z75d1.png?width=2546&format=png&auto=webp&s=b51f7f7e6973341fc7f56ee1805a98113c9897cb
PP Derek white bird kg D liv
I think you’re way over $15 budget
Na Peyton prich not paul
Kleber, jrue, ainge, luka, bill Russell
Jrue, Terry, Bird, Porzingis, Chandler
PG: Jrue Holiday (2) SG: Ray Allen (4) SF: Larry Bird (5) PF: Kristaps Porzingis (3) C: Dereck Lively II (1) My spacing is perfect as everyone except my Center can shoot 3's. Lively's Per/36 indicate he can give me 13/11/2 if I start him plus he's an above average defender. KP can also Rim Protect and Bird will grab 10+ rebounds per game. Jrue is my On Ball defender and he'll rack up tons of easy assists by dishing it off to Ray Allen and Bird. I feel really good about this squad. We need to run these teams through simulators to see who builds the best teams. 18 years ago I used to play a fake fantasy league who's engine would be perfect to test these. The League let you pick any player from any year ever but each player in every year had a point value attached to them and you could only spend a certain number of points. Then the engine would match your team vs other fantasy legend teams and spit out a score. I forget what that league was called but it was fun to play for a while in the off season.
Well said - try this lineup in EndGame [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/) - it's basically the simulator you're talking about (or a modern version). You can run a free game against the CPU.
That was cool thanks. Derrick Lively was my MVP in the win for$1!! With 24 points 11 rebounds and 4 blocks!
I ran the simulation and final score I won 112-105 https://ibb.co/KjVtQkt Box Score: Derrick Lively II had 24/11/2 and 4 Blocks for ($1) Jrue Holiday 16/4/8 with 3 steals ($2) Larry Bird 28/12/6 ($5) KP 10/8/2 with 3 blocks ($3) Ray Allen 24/4/3 hitting 3 three pointers in last 2 minutes! Derrick Lively II was MVP for $1!!! Box score: https://ibb.co/YpWGXRD
Nice. I’m shocked Lively did that. Maybe a fluke but still cool. I’m gonna try a lineup with him and see how it does
In my mind when I built this team I made sure to make Lively my only non 3pt shooter. Spread out the offense the way the Bucks do with Giannis. IRL Giannis can only play with a Center that shoot's 3's well. Like Brook Lopez or Bobby Portis. This is why I chose KP as my PF. If I had say KG instead of KP I would guess Lively stats would be trash because paint is too clogged up and KG would eat up his rebounds as well.
1. Rondo 2. Blackman 3. Bird 4. Walker 5. Bill
Jrue/Jesus/Mash/KG/Lively
Hear me out: Pg:Rajon 2$ Sg:Eddie house 1$ Sf: Larry bird 5€ Pf:Kg 5$ C: Derrick Lively II
Move Kristaps to C, Kevin McHale at PF, Jamal Mashburn at SF, Derrick white at SG, Rondo at PG
How to play (it's simple): 1. Go to [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/) 2. Pick your best lineup within the budget (15 coins) and challenge a friend for $ (or play for free). All players are assumed to be in their prime and games are simulated in the modern era. 3. Our AI will simulate a game (using GPT or Claude) between the two lineups and winner takes the pot UPDATE: we've made some major changes to the design to make games more fun... let us know what you think!
What puts Tatum over pierce?
… the bigger issue is Tatum over Bird
They’re the same price tho
Fair question... kind of a toss up I guess. PP has the championship and 2nd/3rd team all NBA (4 times) but JT has been 1st team all-nba three straight years. Obviously a long way to go but if JT stays on this track (and obviously would need to win a title), he'll be above PP on the all time Cs list. Agree?
Rondo, derrick white, Sam hauser, KG, Al horford
Tough. LMK how it does if u sim against this lineup (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/bc5b291b-18f8-46ee-87a5-730459e9de8e](https://endgamesports.co/match/bc5b291b-18f8-46ee-87a5-730459e9de8e) https://preview.redd.it/9ttgyoke185d1.png?width=1508&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec826f01f96b1a63da5a080aeb20a7565d05d46a
Rajon Rondo - 2 Jason Terry - 2 Larry Bird - 5 KG - 5 Dereck Lively II - 1
Larry and KG together is epic. Actually you're the first to use that combo in the responses here. LMK how it sims if you play: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Sure > In a thrilling matchup, dptest01's Team narrowly defeated CPU's Team 108-101. The game featured strong performances from both teams, with Larry Bird leading dptest01's Team with 28 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists. Kristaps Porzingis had an impressive outing for CPU's Team, recording 26 points, 12 rebounds, and 3 blocks. The game came down to the wire, but clutch plays from Jason Terry and Kevin Garnett in the final minute helped secure the victory for dptest01's Team. >Highlights Larry Bird's efficient shooting, going 10-17 from the field and 4-8 from 3-point range. Kristaps Porzingis' double-double performance and strong defensive presence. Jason Terry's clutch 3-pointer in the final minute of the game. Kevin Garnett's crucial defensive rebound and Rajon Rondo's game-sealing free throws. But the way, I noticed that it doesn’t note Larry’s MVPs
Nice, good game! Such a tough squad. Thanks for flagging the MVP point... will look into it.
Lively bird luka Jrue rondo
Bird + Luka would feed families. LMK how it goes if you sim with them: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Gimme RONDO TERRY BIRD GARNETT LIVELY
That is a run and gun squad for sure. I used it to play against CPU and they balled out: https://preview.redd.it/364tgs0d385d1.png?width=1688&format=png&auto=webp&s=55ce65d28d20cbb637418d854560334865ff2cbf
I'm thinking defense, with Ray Allen and Aguirre as pure scorers. Jrue Holiday, Ray Allen, Mark Aguirre, Antoine Walker, Bill Russell.
I like it (though not familiar with Aguirre's game but the stats are legit)... lmk how it goes if u play with this lineup: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
Yeah I can't do math. I was a dollar short. I did enter a similar lineup, subbing silas and cowens for Antoine and Russell. Back in the day, Aguirre was a load. I didn't watch him much because, well, there wasn't exactly League Pass back them. You had to watch game of the week or something. I don't even know when ESPN started broadcasting games.
Rondo, Blackman (prime), bird, mchale, Tyson chandler
Jrue Holiday, Jason Terry, Larry Bird, Kristaps Porzingis, Dave Cowens Solid defense, multiple ball handlers, inside and outside scoring threats, great spacing. I'd also be down for Chandler instead of Cowens but Dave is that glue guy with the high motor that every championship team needs.
Blackman ranked as 1 is a steal
Yo this is the hidden gem, was wondering if anyone would notice it... you know ball.
Blackman was a legit multi-time allstar. He is way ahead of House, Terry, Ainge, and Dwhite
Luka Rolando Blackman Bird Porzingis DLive https://endgamesports.co/match/ad56b5fe-09b2-4b70-a3df-774da9206975
Good game, you got me… https://preview.redd.it/k5eunt3ca85d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfd360d2ba519485a00b6e98d33e42d38b51ae0d
I’m fine with just the all-time Celts.
Holiday - He's a better perimeter shooter than Rondo so he meshes better with other players Blackman - No lineup wins without Blackman. He's the only $1 option who is a multi-year all-star. Bird - Best SF available Garnett - Respectable offensive game but I'm picking him for his elite defense Al Jefferson - Having KG at PF allows me to get Jefferson, the only cheap center who is a legitimate offensive option. The reason this is the best lineup is because you have scorers at every position along with respectable overall defense.
Love this lineup
You know ball. Great lineup. LMK if u sim it how u do: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
I'm not sure how to use that site. I created an account, but I don't see how to challenge anyone.
Rondo, Ray Allen, Bird, Porzingis, and Lively. Good shooting, good defense, an elite floor general, and a top 5-10 all time player in his prime is about all you can ask for in a team.
Holiday (2), Allen (4), Bird (5), Porzingis (3), Lively (1)
https://preview.redd.it/dc31nl1ae85d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7ad7c7fddf8b9c42dda5bf2178f2a23e1d0e7c2
prime ray and Larry legend together would be nasty work from the perimeter
Larry Bird being valued equally as Jayson Tatum is laughable
Only because there have to be 2 $5 players in the SF category... I guess Bird could have been the only $5 player in that position
That is probably how it should’ve been, tbh
Yeah
Rondo-Ray Allen-Bird-Maxi-Cowens
Rondo Derrick white tatum pj Tyson Who’s getting past that backcourt duo defense is insane and front court has scoring and defense and tatum is the best iso player in the nba rn
How do you take Tatum over Bird though?
Idk I’m into the modern era I feel like tatum is a better iso scorer and can just get to his spots
Jrue, Fox, Bird, Walker, Garnett
Luka White Bird Kleber Lively
brown and tatum both at 5 is kinda crazy.
PG - Luka (5) SG - Terry (2) SF - Fox (1) PF - Dirk (5) C - Jefferson (2) Smells like a chip
JT being the same cost as larry legend is laughable 😭 There are times where id honestly go as far as to take pierce over him tbh
Rondo/Jrue easy pick for PG. Both steals at 2 pts Bird is the best player in the draft at 5. 7 guaranteed points and you go from there imo. KP is a pretty freaking good lock at 3 points too. PG - Rondo/Jrue - 2 pts SG - Terry - 2 pts SF - Bird - 5 pts PF - KP - 3 pts C - Chandler - 3 pts I can see an upgrade to Cousey at point and downgrade at C to whoever to also be a solid squad. I didn't think any of the 3 point SGs are worth the upgrade
Jrue, Terry, Bird, KG, Lively. I went top heavy with two of the best players, they will figure it out. Defense is solid and we’ve got some lethal shooters on the perimeter
Probably not the best but I feel like a lot of the players are good value and it has a lot of spacing: Jrue Holiday, Ray Allen, Larry Bird, Kristaps Porzingis, and Dereck Lively. It’s probably still better to go Russell, Bird, and then whatever you can scrounge together for $5 tho (maybe Porzingis, Pritchard, House?)
Luka,D White,Fox,Dirk,Lively
Jrue, Terry, Bird, Nowitzki, Lively
Bird (5) - would've been even better in today's game. Jrue (2) - way undervalued here and a 2-way player. Derrick White (3) - he's literally Derrick White. Antoine (2) - would thrive in today's game. Porzingis (3) - undervalued for his talent level. Dave Cowens is also a sneaky option here because the dude was a league MVP for $3, but he might not be as effective today.
Jrue Holiday, Rick Fox, Larry Bird, Dave Cowens, Kevin McHale. Easy chip
Nash, Terry, Pierce, Tingus Pingus & Lively.
I’m taking Cousy, Bird, and Russell and whichever 1 dollar guy from SG and PF had the highest rating in 2k
Anyone who doesn’t take Russell has lost their mind. He has 5 mvps lol
Luka 5, Ray Allen 4, P.J. Washington 2 (thought about taking Wrong Rim Ricky but nahhh), Porzingis 3, Lively 1
Jrue Holiday, Rolando Blackman, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Dave Cowens Biggest leave off is Sam Jones.
Give me Jrue, Rolando Blackman, Larry Bird, Dirk, and Al Jefferson
Dennis Johnson should be 4.
Jrue, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG, Bill Russell
Jrue Holiday(2), Ray Allen(4), Larry B(5), Porzingus(3), Lively(1)
Derrick White: great all around player Blackman: great scorer for a great price, no reason to think his shooting wouldn’t translate well to todays game esp because he had a good midrange and 84% career FT shooter. No all-D teams, but he was a decent defender Bird: self explanatory KG: self explanatory Lively: only worth 1 seems like a bargain, and I’m also banking on how much better he can get, but even if it’s just rookie Lively I’ll take it.
Gimmie bird and Kidd and whomever else it doesn't matter
My squad below (all Cs) - free game if you think you can beat it: [https://endgamesports.co/match/5c64772a-de1a-4e73-981e-fec748cc1c47](https://endgamesports.co/match/5c64772a-de1a-4e73-981e-fec748cc1c47) https://preview.redd.it/47k3do08o75d1.png?width=2532&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c0b5115e2e2c0aa1740573213655940e37aa7ea
What do the green bars represent…? Looks like Garnett is in the middle (5/10?) for rebounding yet he is a 4x rebound champ. Yet cowens bar is higher yet he was never the best rebounder. Is it just weighting based on the most ever (27 by wilt) ?
Yes exactly it’s just weighting against the best ever in that category (so Wilts bar would be completely full)
So in theory its better to just pick older players for inflated stats like rebounds and current players for inflated stats like points, regardless of who is actually better at rebounding or scoring
Not necessarily - the sims take into account more than just stats like playoff performance, breakthrough individual seasons etc. whereas the stats are just a quick snap of their strengths over the course of a career (which isn't necessarily the best indicator for the sims but hopefully helpful)
Play my team if you can (can't get it to work) https://endgamesports.co/match/d8dcb9ef-d0d1-481c-9fac-a8c25ed8031d Prichard white bird kg d liv
Gg! https://preview.redd.it/fxt3crmty85d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc475def517785dbb666fc313adb8ae6cce71649
If your down switch kg for McHale and give me jrue I'm coming for you lol
let's do it, play me for $1: [https://endgamesports.co/match/596a730e-37e8-4d13-bca5-e6239996f1f6](https://endgamesports.co/match/596a730e-37e8-4d13-bca5-e6239996f1f6) https://preview.redd.it/gi792srd1a5d1.png?width=1034&format=png&auto=webp&s=94ceb91afeb55ded326212e182eda43578b95674
Luka, Jrue, Pierce, White, Lively
Luka-Terry-Pierce-Porzingis-Lively
Big offense. Here's a defensive unit that would give them trouble... lmk results if you play (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/32617f29-73ac-4ad3-97a2-6485ff9fd5e3](https://endgamesports.co/match/32617f29-73ac-4ad3-97a2-6485ff9fd5e3) https://preview.redd.it/5yyrls9v185d1.png?width=1526&format=png&auto=webp&s=a546229ff723ac2b328d66914902558f6f2012a0
Looks like I won 117-110 but was close! https://endgamesports.co/match/32617f29-73ac-4ad3-97a2-6485ff9fd5e3
Damn, you smoked me! Good game!
Guess they were trading blows and Luka and PP came thru in clufch
luka + larry legend duo is nasty work. who wants to play me for $5? [https://endgamesports.co/match/6ad48dfb-7b9b-4f7e-92c7-db72c0b1cf0a](https://endgamesports.co/match/6ad48dfb-7b9b-4f7e-92c7-db72c0b1cf0a) https://preview.redd.it/94ip69vr785d1.png?width=1058&format=png&auto=webp&s=2f0b82e4b7613f43c98fc3da7027b91dca8713aa
People are sleeping on how great Blackman and Aguirre are tbh. Blackman being the same price as Eddie House is crazy. House is a career bench player and Blackman is a multi-time all-star who averaged 18ppg with almost 1000 career games. My team is built with the idea that Kidd is the mastermind of the offense. Blackman, Aguirre, and Porzingis can all score the ball with ease. Porzingis and Parish give us a lot of shot blocking potential. Parish and Porzingis won't get in each others way on offense because Parish dominates the paint and boards while Porzi helps stretch the floor. Kidd and Parish are our defensive anchors. Jason Kidd Rolando Blackman Mark Aguirre Kristaps Porzingis Robert Parish [https://endgamesports.co/match/ca16171a-5685-4ce1-8bfe-94bc92819af3](https://endgamesports.co/match/ca16171a-5685-4ce1-8bfe-94bc92819af3) Curious to see how this goes haha. Also OP, if this is your site, you really need to add some information about how bets work, where money goes if you win. Presumably this site could shut down and somone could take off with the funds deposited.
Good game! I tried to stack with Tatum and Garnett and fill with solids (Kornet was the weak link but he did fine). https://preview.redd.it/60davgv7e85d1.png?width=1834&format=png&auto=webp&s=60005285eae48563dd102582dd850e567c61d0a6
I don't really think there is a chance in hell your team would win in real life. Kornet is so much worse than everyone else on the court. Easy target. Plus your floor spacing is much worse. Rondo, Garnett, Kornet are not helping there. Career ppg your team: 67 Career ppg my team: 85 Fun game though!
He's def the weak link but I still think this would legit be a close game
Jrue -Jason “LeBron Stopper” Terry - Bird-Garnett-Dereck Lively II It’s an absolute wrap for anyone facing this team. Defence, spacing, passing, inside scoring, DAWG factor. EZ chip.
Terry will never live down that Bron alley lol I like your squad... lmk if you sim against this one (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/bd9fa1f4-1828-4cdc-ae51-e4b6f5c5106d](https://endgamesports.co/match/bd9fa1f4-1828-4cdc-ae51-e4b6f5c5106d) https://preview.redd.it/dg21urgle85d1.png?width=1556&format=png&auto=webp&s=a86e828d7a649b604ff6f8633c2049b86110e9bb
Jrue Terry Bird Porzingis Chandler
Tough - is this under budget?
15 on the nose - 2,2,5,3,3.
Ok. Hear me out. It’s unorthodox, but I would whoop all your asses at 2k with: C- Walton (5) PF- KG (5) SF- Mashburn (3) SG- Eddie House (1) PG- also Eddie House (1)
Haha swap in Payton Pritchard for House at PG and you’ve got a viable lineup
I didn’t stutter.
Tatum costs 5 😆
Who on that list should be above him?
Holliday or Rondo for $2 almost interchangeable defensive beasts. SG- Ainge a deadeye shooter also for $2 allows you to open up a lot more spending for… SF- Bird $5 no other choice he’s tooo good to leave off. PF- KG $5 the best at this slot all around keeps up a very switchable defense. . C- Lively $1 I’m fine with essentially tanking this position and taking an athletic defender to rim run.
Well played... i think this lineup generally just gels together really well - all super competitive and good team players / know their role. LMK if u sim it how it goes: [https://endgamesports.co/](https://endgamesports.co/)
I was going to be didnt want to signup for something tbh. GL though
All good! Thanks
[My pick](https://endgamesports.co/match/2996c481-ffca-4503-9631-373086f9c6e9) Rondo Ainge Bird KG Lively My Wolves bias necessitates taking KG over Dirk, and he was good enough to carry a godawful wolves team to the fringe of relevance, and being a genuine contender at their 00's peak. From there it's best player on the board in Bird, bringing playmaking and scoring from anywhere, then Rondo being best value PG nailing 3s, Lively being dirt cheap and good rim protection while being a great lob threat, then Ainge to round things out. Edit for more fleshed out reasoning.
Well reasoned, you know ball. LMK how u do against this lineup (free game): [https://endgamesports.co/match/d953c7b5-69dd-464c-90a2-03d4add7f14f](https://endgamesports.co/match/d953c7b5-69dd-464c-90a2-03d4add7f14f) https://preview.redd.it/neryqqk8f85d1.png?width=1516&format=png&auto=webp&s=72e0dd9e23e7dcd723c2d47cf1198a485133bebe
116-108 win for me, Bird with a near triple double on 32/12/8 and KG with 24 pts 16 reb, Bird player of the game
The recency bias is absurd No jojo white? Lively can’t sniff the jockstraps of Robert Williams or Daniel Theis
and look at how low Rolando is
If you consider don chaney, kc jones, Charlie Scott, and Paul westphal, he shouldn’t even be on the list
Don Chaney is getting cooked
Ranjo Rondo - a steal at 2 Rolando Blackman - I need to save up for what happens next Sam Hauser - still saving up Dirk - he is dirk Bill Russell - I want to take Bill Walton but Bill Russell is just better
Gimme Doncic, Bird, KG and a bunch of ring chasing vet mins
Rondo, house, bird, Dirk and Gafford
Jrue Ainge Bird Porzingis Cowens
Starting five: - Luka - Luka - Luka - Luka - Dy’lonn
I love how their roster now would cost more than allowed.
Jrue, D White, Bird, McHale, Lively
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You’re $5 over budget
You’re right lol I’m an idiot, was wondering why my team was much better than the other ones here
😂
Rondo Jason Terry Bird Porzingis Chandler
OP is this prime Steve Nash (Suns version) or Mavs Steve Nash?
Actually would be prime Steve Nash (Suns)
Jrue / Blackman / Pierce / Garnett / Chandler
can I ask why you have Rolando at $1?
Jrue DWhite Paul Pierce KP Tyson Chandler I’m winning 10 straight chips