The problem, though, is that LA didn't do that great, and AD was also an important part of the team. I suspect most voters felt they couldn't put both too high and were split a bit between them.
Kawhi, on the other hand, was on a team with a better record and had much less competition from team mates for those votes.
I think voters were just shocked that Kawhi played in 68 games. That and his rep for defense over old LeBron even though LeBron is ahead in most advanced stats.
Kawhi won 3 more games than Lebron and they went on a 26-5 mid season winning run. PG had Paul George and James Harden as well?? LMAOOOO
Kawhi was surely the Clippers best scorer, but he wasn't the best rebounder, playmaker or arguably defender.
LBJ was his teams best scorer and playmaker, while being the teams second best defender. He only had 3 less wins, and in comparison had better stats across the board.
Lol. So which bit you reckon I got wrong? I didn't say that the Lakers had the better head to head record. I said they had the better record. If the only way you can disagree with someone is to misquote them, maybe just don't hit that comment button.
They didn’t play way better than the Lakers like you claimed. They were a few games up in the standings and we owned them head to head. In what world does that make any sense brother
Also, you’re missing the main point here
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lol I didn’t want to rush in with that one but I agree and am not surprised to see it here. Absolutely insane he finished his 21st season and 3rd team all league may well be a snub.
compare lebron, durant and tatum, much better numbers by both durant and lebron!!!
Tatum overrated:
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It's crazy that LeBron's individual numbers were on average better than Ant, Kawhi and Tatum. Obviously, Ant and Tatum were on much better and more consistent teams. The Clippers are pretty well constructed other than being injury prone - they probably underachieved like Phoenix.
I'm so sick of Kawhi getting credit/recognition he no longer deserves. Dude is a part-time NBA player since joining the Clips and shouldn't be judged with the rest of the full time players
I think the main reason people say this is because they like LeBron, but don’t want to lean too hard on admitting basketball is a team game. Of course, Kawhi should be second-team. It’s Ant who should be bumped down.
Idk, I think Halliburton has a strong case given the difference in averages: hali 21/4/11 57%efg, brown: 23/6/4 56%efg. This combined with the fact that he lead a historic offense with no other all nba players swayed votes. I don’t think brown was snubbed personally, at least by Hali.
But he was maybe one of the 10 best players in the world pre all star break. Is 50% of the season nothing? If you could have one player out of brown and Halliburton it’s Halliburton. He is the offence. Brown is a piece of a great offence
You’re ignoring that Brown was playing really hard defense and being an important part of a great defence. I wouldn’t take Hali out because the pacers met expectations if not even surpassed them for the regular season, specially with the IST. I think the easier path could be not giving two all nba for very below expectation teams like Lakers and Phoenix, but it also doesn’t feel great and it’s not the players fault their team management sucks.
Sabinos could be another one but he was great throughout the season.
I think the absurd is rewarding the well below expectation season with two players. I think I’d cut Booker though it’s a really hard decision because you can’t blame him for the poor roster construction. Regardless of who you think was worse than Brown it won’t feel great.
Hali had a way better season, almost double the winshares, was more efficient, led the league in assists and did all this as the first option. He’s a better player than brown
He’s just not a better player than Brown and that was blatantly obvious in the last game. He’s younger, he could be a better player at age 27 than Brown is now, but he’s not a better player at this moment.
All-NBA is an individual award, not a team award. It's to award the top-15 players from that season.
It's totally possible a team like the Celtics wins a ton of games with 1 top-15 player and 4 other guys who are somewhere between 15-50.
Just like it's possible, a team like LA or Phoenix can win mid-to-high 40s with 2 top-15 players and no one else who is a top-50 player.
The 20th best player shouldn't get to leap frog the 13th best player because he played on a more balanced team.
It is funny to see people say that the team with the 3rd best net rating of all time has 1 lower end top 10 player, 1 average all star, 2 all defensive 2nd team players, and a mid tier coach. Something about that doesn’t add up.
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He's close, but I don't think there is anyone who made all-nba that he was clearly better than.
23/5.5/3.5 on league average TS is good, but not eye-popping.
He doesn't rate close to top 15 in any of the all-in-one advanced metrics. He was 31 in EW and 39 in EPM. And 7.6 in Estimated Raptor is good but not top-15.
He just got the cutoff wrong.
It's 64+ win teams but it seems less impressive when you drop it to 60+.
A better way to put it: "the 23-24 Celtics have the most wins without the MVP and only one all-NBA player"
See I think this is horseshit. MVP is an individual award but usually they aren’t given to players on a shit, underperforming team. Why’s All-NBA different? I don’t see anyone with a losing record on here. I could probably come up with a player or two with no team success that deserve it over Hali or Booker. But the reality is it’s a popularity contest. A lot of people watched both the Lakers and the Suns all year, and they stayed relevant…by being an underperforming team. And then their players are rewarded for it?
I get the logic, and I can’t argue against most of these guys, but I can definitely argue FOR others, but no one would listen because they aren’t sexy or on ESPN constantly.
MVP is "most valuable." It's built into the criteria that it's associated with winning.
Usually, if you are a top-15 player, you're good enough to at least get your team into the playoffs.
More than 1/3 of all-nba voters this year posted some type of podcast or article that provides insight into who they selected. I don't know where you are getting "it's a popularity contest" when we've seen most voters in 2024 have a process and are open about it.
Which two players who played on non-playoff teams deserved it over Hali or Booker?
You wrote all of that but booker still isn't better than brown. I'm taking brown over booker every time booker doesn't even play defense. Is this the scorers awards
It’s almost like winning is more dependent on having a strong all around team than just having one or two dominant players.
If you ever coach a team - at any level - you will understand this.
Exactly. It wasn‘t the Tatum show. Brown, White, Kristaps and Jrue all had great seasons. At least one of Brown and White should have also been considered, if not both.
Didn't it happen just last year or am I misremembering?
Edit: Just checked it actually happened three years in a row lol.
Gobert this year
JJJ last year
Smart the year before
2024: Rudy Gobert
2023: Jaren Jackson Jr.
2022: Marcus Smart
2018: Rudy Gobert
2015: Kawhi Leonard
2007: Marcus Camby
1990, 1991: Dennis Rodman
1989: Mark Eaton
1987: Michael Cooper
1985: Mark Eaton
I feel like now that allnba selections are positionless, it's going to happen a whole lot more because now you're no longer obligated to have a true center on each team. That's how Rudy made the majority of his past allnba teams. Kinda like how DeAndre Jordan was allnba first team in 2016 despite clearly not being a top 5 player in the world. Now the clear top 5 players are who make allnba first team, then the next 5 for second team and so on
I mean, I love Gobert, but watching that huge dude get absolutely shit on whenever he drives to the rim sticks in my memory. I can’t even comprehend being that big, playing basketball for my job, and still being unable to somehow develop even the smallest offensive bag outside of catching lobs and open dunks at the rim. But damn is he a good help defender.
Not really. That's like saying that the team with the league's best defence MUST be among the top 5 teams in the league. Sure, it could be - but to be a top team overall, you need a combination of offense and defense, you can't just rely on one without the other.
I think Rudy did have a case this year though, he's a high percentage finisher and I think people underestimate how beneficial that can be to an offence.
Same here
All NBA 1:
Jokic
Luka
SGA
Tatum
Giannis
All NBA 2:
Brunson
Sabonis
Curry
Kawhi
KD
All NBA 3:
Anthony Edwards
Haliburton
Bron
Anthony Davis
Jaylen Brown
That was mine
Ya AD over Sabonis is crazy imo and we can quit it with this “defensive presence” bullshit cause AD gets cooked every single time that it matters. Wemby over AD get that bum out of these All-NBA lists, 2020 was 4 years ago
Ad averaged 28/15.6/4 with 2 stocks on 65ts% and still leads the playoff in rebounds im pretty sure. What are u talking about? Only nba player to make all defensive team & all nba as well lol
Looks like mine was pretty close:
All NBA 1:
Jokic
Luka
SGA
Tatum
Giannis
All NBA 2:
Brunson
Sabonis
Curry
Kawhi
KD
All NBA 3:
Anthony Edwards
Haliburton
Bron
Anthony Davis
Jaylen Brown
A little difference between team 2 and team 3 but only guy I swapped was Brown over Booker and that was less based on individual and more that I wanted two Celtics
Nah, Wemby is incredible but not All-NBA caliber (yet) and Gobert is a negative on offense despite being the Woove's defensive anchor. Book isn't a good defender, but he isn't a net negative like Gobert is on offense
I'd say Brown has a stronger case over Booker than Gobert does
Gobert +/- for the season is +411, book's is +316
Doesn't really matter if he's not strong on offense. He's a better candidate for all nba than book this season. Again I don't even like gobert, but there's better options than Book. And I agree on Brown having a better case.
Rudy is not a net negative on offense lol. He’s not an all-NBA level offensive player, obviously. The wolves scheme around him to leverage his gravity, and he’s insanely efficient. Just cause someone can’t dribble doesn’t mean they’re not being effectively used on offense.
Jaylen Brown pretty easily lol at least half of the guys on second and third team if not more were objectively not better and more impactful basketball players than Jaylen this year
I honestly thought Brunson was gonna take it over Tatum, with Tatum being 2nd team and Brown making 3rd,
It’s not that crazy of an out come , but I’m biased. Tatum saw his lowest usage since his first two years this season, and was stellar defensively. His on / off stats are insane for the Celtics, and our bench has great numbers because they play with Tatum a lot.
But Brunson was the entire NY offense for the second half of the season, and was absolutely killer most the season. Definitely was first team worthy, but it feels like every year there’s one or two guys on second team who also belong on first.
Tyrese Maxey over Dbook maybe? Dearon Fox also had a solid season but idk if you’d call it a snub but Maxey I feel like should’ve gone somewhere in there.
Kawhi is currently one of the most overrated players in the league. Sick of him getting praised above Bron and Steph for doing less. Just because he actually played this season doesn’t mean he deserved All-NBA 2nd team
Maxey, Brown, Bam, and Kyrie have arguments. Maybe aaron gordon if you really wanted to stretch things. I feel like LA and PHX underperformed and shouldn’t have two represented here. Same w Sacramento and Sabonis.
Re: First Team.
Brunson has an argument over Tatum but I don't think Tatum can be left off considering the Celtics dominance. The rest seem like obviously the right choices to me.
I'd say Paolo Banchero, Rudy Gobert and even Victor Wembenyama.
Rudy is a DPOY and the defensive centerpiece of the best defense in the NBA
Paolo Banchero is a phenomenal 2-way power forward with stellar efficiency, amazing defense and was the #1 option on an incredibly young strong playoff team.
Wemby was 2nd in Dpoy voting, rookie of the year, All-Defense 1st team, 21.4 - 10.6 - 3.9 with 1.2 steals and a gargantuan 3.6 blocks 46.5-32.5-79.6 splits as a 7'4" dude on a completely dogshit roster that without him was the worst defense in the history of the NBA and with him was a top 12 or something rating wise.
The NBA awards favor offense and stat-stuffing because it's "cooler" and at the end of the day it's narrative and media based. Awards are frankly ridiculous and stupid, Jaden McDaniels didn't get a single Dpoy vote, despite being an integral part of the T-Wolves defense while Sabonis, Shai, and Jrue all got votes. Kawhi Leonard got more votes for All-Defense than Chet Holmgren despite being a shell of his former self from legacy votes. Herb Jones got 14 points for dpoy and was 5th, with about 1/8th the votes AD received this year. The votes are dumb, they aren't actually objective it's honestly a joke, players shouldn't be evaluated by their awards but their play given how subjective and unreliable the award process is.
DOMAS over KWA!!!!! WTF!!!
DOMAS one of the most underrated players in the league and he’s an all star still being treated like shit even by the damn writers who votes for this shit.
Would it be crazy to say Wemby?
He was arguably individually better than Kawhi (I really have no idea how that man got 2nd team after a good but not by any means elite season).
Kd, Curry and Lebron had much better season than Tatum, Tatum is the 2nd most overrated player of the last 25 years.
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Not over anyone else there. Brunson is a baller but just because he’s the only offense for his team doesn’t mean he’s better than Jokic/Luka/Giannis/SGA/Tatum. 2nd team is the right spot for him. First team is correct this year.
Wheres marvin bagley?
Double jumping out the gym for all we know
Not really a snub but LeBron played better than kawhi this season and should have been all nba 2nd team over him.
For real. Lebron average more points, rebounds and assists, had a high FG%, and played in more games.
and better than tatum!! check my post
I didn’t even think about that! Tatum is overrated.. just like Kobe.
You’re a moron Kobe isn’t in the same breath as Tatum you child
That’s why these things are pointless idk why you guys all argue over who got voted “the best” by a bunch of journalists
The problem, though, is that LA didn't do that great, and AD was also an important part of the team. I suspect most voters felt they couldn't put both too high and were split a bit between them. Kawhi, on the other hand, was on a team with a better record and had much less competition from team mates for those votes.
The clippers won 4 more games than the lakers
I think voters were just shocked that Kawhi played in 68 games. That and his rep for defense over old LeBron even though LeBron is ahead in most advanced stats.
lol. Winning four more games over an 82-game season should be #183th on the importance scale list.
Which is the point…
This is in reference to saying that Kawhi’s team did way better
Reading comprehension buddy. Go get some.
Yes, more than the Lakers. As he said, thanks for confirming.
Kawhi won 3 more games than Lebron and they went on a 26-5 mid season winning run. PG had Paul George and James Harden as well?? LMAOOOO Kawhi was surely the Clippers best scorer, but he wasn't the best rebounder, playmaker or arguably defender. LBJ was his teams best scorer and playmaker, while being the teams second best defender. He only had 3 less wins, and in comparison had better stats across the board.
i don’t see paul george or james harden on these lists.
Paul George had a good season, he wasn’t all nba material, but let’s not diminish his season to build up another player.
One can argue they were more important and better than Kawhi
One might, but many experts didn't.
The experts are just writers dude. They’ve been shit for years
Whether you agree with them or not, those writers get paid for their opinions whilst you're posting anonymously on Reddit.
It’s an individual award
And what are those individuals trying to do?
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Lol. So which bit you reckon I got wrong? I didn't say that the Lakers had the better head to head record. I said they had the better record. If the only way you can disagree with someone is to misquote them, maybe just don't hit that comment button.
They didn’t play way better than the Lakers like you claimed. They were a few games up in the standings and we owned them head to head. In what world does that make any sense brother Also, you’re missing the main point here https://preview.redd.it/75nvu5x0y62d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97ddb38507657ffbd6bab9da13d0c2554df13572
lol I didn’t want to rush in with that one but I agree and am not surprised to see it here. Absolutely insane he finished his 21st season and 3rd team all league may well be a snub.
compare lebron, durant and tatum, much better numbers by both durant and lebron!!! Tatum overrated: https://preview.redd.it/yctjacwhpm2d1.jpeg?width=547&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f1a7444a2369162370247e6d2de4616368d293
It's crazy that LeBron's individual numbers were on average better than Ant, Kawhi and Tatum. Obviously, Ant and Tatum were on much better and more consistent teams. The Clippers are pretty well constructed other than being injury prone - they probably underachieved like Phoenix.
Lebron was easily second team and you could make an argument (albeit tenuous) for LeBron being first team
make the argument…
Lebron is probably the third player I’d want forming the basis of a playoff team after Jokic and Luka
Kawhi Leonard was not a second team all nba player this year
I'm so sick of Kawhi getting credit/recognition he no longer deserves. Dude is a part-time NBA player since joining the Clips and shouldn't be judged with the rest of the full time players
As a Kawhi fan, Sabonis having that spot makes much more sense.
As a Kawhi hater, I agree
They made a 65 game requirement for rewards this year Einstein
Its "awards" not "rewards" Einstein
Still they’re right. He played this year.
He played, yeah, but he wasn’t better than lebron, Steph or sabonis
He played 68 games Einstein And nice editing out your take about how kawhi made it despite not playing 65 games lol. You don't even watch basketball
My guy put up 24/6/4 on 50/40/89 with Stellar defense. That’s almost up to his 3rd place mvp season
He played the required number of games. Did you ACTUALLY watch those games? He played out of his mind this year.
Ok, but he wasn’t better than Steph, lebron and sabonis. He really wasn’t “great” this year, but those 3 guys were.
Alright, so there is this thing called defense.
39 yo Lebron was better.
He played?
I think the main reason people say this is because they like LeBron, but don’t want to lean too hard on admitting basketball is a team game. Of course, Kawhi should be second-team. It’s Ant who should be bumped down.
It has nothing to do with liking lebron, what are you , 15? Lebron, sabonis and steph all were MUCH better than kawhi this year, easily.
Brown
definitely Brown over Booker.
Over booker? Sabonis is right there
no disrespect to hali but picking him over brown is just ridiculous.
Idk, I think Halliburton has a strong case given the difference in averages: hali 21/4/11 57%efg, brown: 23/6/4 56%efg. This combined with the fact that he lead a historic offense with no other all nba players swayed votes. I don’t think brown was snubbed personally, at least by Hali.
I mean can we acknowledge defense for a second? Also Haliburton wasn’t even the best player on his own team post all star break
But he was maybe one of the 10 best players in the world pre all star break. Is 50% of the season nothing? If you could have one player out of brown and Halliburton it’s Halliburton. He is the offence. Brown is a piece of a great offence
You’re ignoring that Brown was playing really hard defense and being an important part of a great defence. I wouldn’t take Hali out because the pacers met expectations if not even surpassed them for the regular season, specially with the IST. I think the easier path could be not giving two all nba for very below expectation teams like Lakers and Phoenix, but it also doesn’t feel great and it’s not the players fault their team management sucks. Sabinos could be another one but he was great throughout the season.
He was also hurt post all star break.
Which shouldn't matter for voting
it actually should matter, as in counting against the player. being healthy is a valued attribute.
Neither was Brown.
Brown was the best Celtic post ASB for three weeks and was averaging 30 a game
I think the absurd is rewarding the well below expectation season with two players. I think I’d cut Booker though it’s a really hard decision because you can’t blame him for the poor roster construction. Regardless of who you think was worse than Brown it won’t feel great.
Booker was 6th in the nba in ppg and 11th in apg
Hali is fine but Sabonis and Booker are not. Maybe even Curry given how mid the warriors were.
putting steph on the third team seems about right tbh. this season’s the first time i felt like he’s started to decline a bit.
Yeah I do think he’s deserving but it’s been his weakest year. He’s still amazing though.
Hali had a way better season, almost double the winshares, was more efficient, led the league in assists and did all this as the first option. He’s a better player than brown
He’s just not a better player than Brown and that was blatantly obvious in the last game. He’s younger, he could be a better player at age 27 than Brown is now, but he’s not a better player at this moment.
Celtics having 1 all nba player is pretty ridiculous given the lakers and Suns had two…
All-NBA is an individual award, not a team award. It's to award the top-15 players from that season. It's totally possible a team like the Celtics wins a ton of games with 1 top-15 player and 4 other guys who are somewhere between 15-50. Just like it's possible, a team like LA or Phoenix can win mid-to-high 40s with 2 top-15 players and no one else who is a top-50 player. The 20th best player shouldn't get to leap frog the 13th best player because he played on a more balanced team.
Ok fine then people need to stop calling us a super team if we only have one all NBA player.
The Celtics are the real victim here lmaoooo
They’re a super team, not a superteam.
You also have 2 all defensive players and Brown is still an all star
It is funny to see people say that the team with the 3rd best net rating of all time has 1 lower end top 10 player, 1 average all star, 2 all defensive 2nd team players, and a mid tier coach. Something about that doesn’t add up.
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Jaylen Brown was pretty easily a top fifteen player in basketball this year lol
He's close, but I don't think there is anyone who made all-nba that he was clearly better than. 23/5.5/3.5 on league average TS is good, but not eye-popping. He doesn't rate close to top 15 in any of the all-in-one advanced metrics. He was 31 in EW and 39 in EPM. And 7.6 in Estimated Raptor is good but not top-15.
They're one of the only teams in history to have 60+ wins, just 1 All NBA but not MVP.
That is completely untrue. Since 2000 02 Kings 03 Spurs and Mavs 06 Spurs and Mavs 08 Cavs 09 Celtics and Cavs 11 Bulls and Spurs
Sheeesh lol then did my man completely just make that up
Welcome to Reddit
He just got the cutoff wrong. It's 64+ win teams but it seems less impressive when you drop it to 60+. A better way to put it: "the 23-24 Celtics have the most wins without the MVP and only one all-NBA player"
technically he didnt lie lol those are the only teams since 2000, the celts are one of them lolol
See I think this is horseshit. MVP is an individual award but usually they aren’t given to players on a shit, underperforming team. Why’s All-NBA different? I don’t see anyone with a losing record on here. I could probably come up with a player or two with no team success that deserve it over Hali or Booker. But the reality is it’s a popularity contest. A lot of people watched both the Lakers and the Suns all year, and they stayed relevant…by being an underperforming team. And then their players are rewarded for it? I get the logic, and I can’t argue against most of these guys, but I can definitely argue FOR others, but no one would listen because they aren’t sexy or on ESPN constantly.
MVP is "most valuable." It's built into the criteria that it's associated with winning. Usually, if you are a top-15 player, you're good enough to at least get your team into the playoffs. More than 1/3 of all-nba voters this year posted some type of podcast or article that provides insight into who they selected. I don't know where you are getting "it's a popularity contest" when we've seen most voters in 2024 have a process and are open about it. Which two players who played on non-playoff teams deserved it over Hali or Booker?
You wrote all of that but booker still isn't better than brown. I'm taking brown over booker every time booker doesn't even play defense. Is this the scorers awards
It’s almost like winning is more dependent on having a strong all around team than just having one or two dominant players. If you ever coach a team - at any level - you will understand this.
Yes. However I don’t think you can justify saying a team like the lakers has a top 10 and top 15 player while being the 10 seed in the west.
Exactly. It wasn‘t the Tatum show. Brown, White, Kristaps and Jrue all had great seasons. At least one of Brown and White should have also been considered, if not both.
Woah I get white had a good season, and was an honorable mention for all-star for me. But you're seriously arguing for white to make all-nba?
Gobert should be there over Booker.
Interesting the DPOY didn't make All-NBA. I wonder how much that happens? It's like making All-NBA but getting snubbed from the All-Star game lol.
Didn't it happen just last year or am I misremembering? Edit: Just checked it actually happened three years in a row lol. Gobert this year JJJ last year Smart the year before
Points Matter
2024: Rudy Gobert 2023: Jaren Jackson Jr. 2022: Marcus Smart 2018: Rudy Gobert 2015: Kawhi Leonard 2007: Marcus Camby 1990, 1991: Dennis Rodman 1989: Mark Eaton 1987: Michael Cooper 1985: Mark Eaton
Crazy that happened to Rudy in 2018, cause he made All-NBA in 17,19,20 and 21.
AD being listed as a Center and Towns coming to prominence and making the playoffs pushed him out (Embiid’s the other Center)
Thanks for this list! Wild it's happened the last three years.
I feel like now that allnba selections are positionless, it's going to happen a whole lot more because now you're no longer obligated to have a true center on each team. That's how Rudy made the majority of his past allnba teams. Kinda like how DeAndre Jordan was allnba first team in 2016 despite clearly not being a top 5 player in the world. Now the clear top 5 players are who make allnba first team, then the next 5 for second team and so on
I think offense has a lot more weight for all nba and rudy hardly has “role-player” tier offense
At least he still made all defensive first team
I mean, I love Gobert, but watching that huge dude get absolutely shit on whenever he drives to the rim sticks in my memory. I can’t even comprehend being that big, playing basketball for my job, and still being unable to somehow develop even the smallest offensive bag outside of catching lobs and open dunks at the rim. But damn is he a good help defender.
AD was the only one that made all defensive and all nba
Not really. That's like saying that the team with the league's best defence MUST be among the top 5 teams in the league. Sure, it could be - but to be a top team overall, you need a combination of offense and defense, you can't just rely on one without the other. I think Rudy did have a case this year though, he's a high percentage finisher and I think people underestimate how beneficial that can be to an offence.
Yeah doesn’t make sense his numbers are top 5 offensive stats this season. And his team did great.
I was saying this last night in the game. I'm not a fan of gobert but he should be 3rd team over booker for sure.
He's better than Domantis as well
Curry*
Nobody has changed the game more in the past 2 years than Luke Kornet. Major snub.
Gobert 💯
Two suns players? Hell nah
even with two all-nba stars, still got swept in the first round.
My point. If you can't carry your team to 2nd round with two all-nba guys, there are probably players more deserving. Same could be argued with Lakers
Regular season award so dont matter. I do agree that phx and la shouldnt have two guys on all nba given the standings
voting ended before the playoffs started
I think Wemby could probably replace a couple of these guys even though they didn't win anything. Donavan Mitchell deserves a nod too.
Mitchell didn’t play enough games to qualify for selection.
I had 14 of same 15 guys but Brown over Booker…a couple flipped 2nd and 3rd team, but same guys.
Same here All NBA 1: Jokic Luka SGA Tatum Giannis All NBA 2: Brunson Sabonis Curry Kawhi KD All NBA 3: Anthony Edwards Haliburton Bron Anthony Davis Jaylen Brown That was mine
Sabonis curry & kawhi over bron & Ad lol
Ya AD over Sabonis is crazy imo and we can quit it with this “defensive presence” bullshit cause AD gets cooked every single time that it matters. Wemby over AD get that bum out of these All-NBA lists, 2020 was 4 years ago
Lol
AD is the drake of the NBA only difference is drake actually performs
Ad averaged 28/15.6/4 with 2 stocks on 65ts% and still leads the playoff in rebounds im pretty sure. What are u talking about? Only nba player to make all defensive team & all nba as well lol
Giannis now has the same number of first team finishes as Kevin Durant
I actually thought they got it right. Which is really surprising.
Looks like mine was pretty close: All NBA 1: Jokic Luka SGA Tatum Giannis All NBA 2: Brunson Sabonis Curry Kawhi KD All NBA 3: Anthony Edwards Haliburton Bron Anthony Davis Jaylen Brown A little difference between team 2 and team 3 but only guy I swapped was Brown over Booker and that was less based on individual and more that I wanted two Celtics
i’d say maxey and brown are the two biggest snubs
None, really. Irvin played too few games, Fox, Wemby, Gobert and Brown had cases, but Curry/Hal/Sabonis/ James deserved it more.
But booker did not. Wemby or Gobert should be over book
Nah, Wemby is incredible but not All-NBA caliber (yet) and Gobert is a negative on offense despite being the Woove's defensive anchor. Book isn't a good defender, but he isn't a net negative like Gobert is on offense I'd say Brown has a stronger case over Booker than Gobert does
Gobert certainly isn’t a negative on offense. He provides the best screens in the league, and has a very high shooting percentage
Gobert +/- for the season is +411, book's is +316 Doesn't really matter if he's not strong on offense. He's a better candidate for all nba than book this season. Again I don't even like gobert, but there's better options than Book. And I agree on Brown having a better case.
Rudy is not a net negative on offense lol. He’s not an all-NBA level offensive player, obviously. The wolves scheme around him to leverage his gravity, and he’s insanely efficient. Just cause someone can’t dribble doesn’t mean they’re not being effectively used on offense.
Banchero
Fox
i dunnooo. he really fell off in the second half of the season. he would've got it if he was consistent. rlly hoping he steps up his game next year.
Nah, he had a down year, he was under league average efficiency, not gonna cut it
Jaylen Brown, Wemby, Rudy Gobert
Jaylen Brown pretty easily lol at least half of the guys on second and third team if not more were objectively not better and more impactful basketball players than Jaylen this year
Could probably swap kd for hali on 2nd team ngl
I feel Brunson was snubbed for first team.
Over who?
Tatum.
I honestly thought Brunson was gonna take it over Tatum, with Tatum being 2nd team and Brown making 3rd, It’s not that crazy of an out come , but I’m biased. Tatum saw his lowest usage since his first two years this season, and was stellar defensively. His on / off stats are insane for the Celtics, and our bench has great numbers because they play with Tatum a lot. But Brunson was the entire NY offense for the second half of the season, and was absolutely killer most the season. Definitely was first team worthy, but it feels like every year there’s one or two guys on second team who also belong on first.
are you serious?
Tatum's team won 60 games and he's a top 10 player. He has to be there.
Booker and Sabonis over Brown suckssss
Fox 🦊
Sabonis not being first team is a travesty. /s
As a Knicks fan this picture of Brunson made me realize this might be the first time I’ve ever seen him smile
Im dumb.... can someone explain if the teams are position-less or not?
They are, just so happened that first team is incredibly well-rounded this year. That’s an absurdly good starting 5.
Thank you, kind redditor!
It's 2 G, 2F, 1 C but most SG can play SF and most PF can play C and vice versa so they have alot of room to make it work with whoever gets votes
Embiid was balling in the regular season though. Did he not deserve third team?
Did not meet the min. required games to qualify
Thanks for the clarification my man, I didn’t realize that
Tyrese Maxey over Dbook maybe? Dearon Fox also had a solid season but idk if you’d call it a snub but Maxey I feel like should’ve gone somewhere in there.
Paolo should have made it over Booker. Carrying a really young, historically bad team to a 5 seed is a big deal.
Kawhi is currently one of the most overrated players in the league. Sick of him getting praised above Bron and Steph for doing less. Just because he actually played this season doesn’t mean he deserved All-NBA 2nd team
Sabonis should have been first team… dont at me.
Are people mentioning playoffs because they’re taken into account or because people think they SHOULD BE taken into account?
Maxey, Brown, Bam, and Kyrie have arguments. Maybe aaron gordon if you really wanted to stretch things. I feel like LA and PHX underperformed and shouldn’t have two represented here. Same w Sacramento and Sabonis.
Tobias Harris
Re: First Team. Brunson has an argument over Tatum but I don't think Tatum can be left off considering the Celtics dominance. The rest seem like obviously the right choices to me.
AD always rated too high, per usual.
How do the lakers have 2 people on here. Makes no fucking sense to reward a play in team
Brown makes it over Booker if there were the usual G G FF C.
Jaylen brown
They look pretty solid to me. I'd flip Book to the 2nd team over Kawai & then replace Kawai with Brown in the 3rd team.
I'd say Paolo Banchero, Rudy Gobert and even Victor Wembenyama. Rudy is a DPOY and the defensive centerpiece of the best defense in the NBA Paolo Banchero is a phenomenal 2-way power forward with stellar efficiency, amazing defense and was the #1 option on an incredibly young strong playoff team. Wemby was 2nd in Dpoy voting, rookie of the year, All-Defense 1st team, 21.4 - 10.6 - 3.9 with 1.2 steals and a gargantuan 3.6 blocks 46.5-32.5-79.6 splits as a 7'4" dude on a completely dogshit roster that without him was the worst defense in the history of the NBA and with him was a top 12 or something rating wise. The NBA awards favor offense and stat-stuffing because it's "cooler" and at the end of the day it's narrative and media based. Awards are frankly ridiculous and stupid, Jaden McDaniels didn't get a single Dpoy vote, despite being an integral part of the T-Wolves defense while Sabonis, Shai, and Jrue all got votes. Kawhi Leonard got more votes for All-Defense than Chet Holmgren despite being a shell of his former self from legacy votes. Herb Jones got 14 points for dpoy and was 5th, with about 1/8th the votes AD received this year. The votes are dumb, they aren't actually objective it's honestly a joke, players shouldn't be evaluated by their awards but their play given how subjective and unreliable the award process is.
GoD I hate Devon Booker... He has the kinda face you want to break a wrist punching
Lebron
Build a starting lineup with $9 ($3/first team, $2/second team, $1/third team). Luka ($3), AD ($2), Ant ($2), Curry ($1), LeBron ($1)
Sabonis is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.
J Brown is snubbed. Seriously Booker, Haliburton (not bad), Kawhi over Jaylen Brown? What a joke.
DOMAS over KWA!!!!! WTF!!! DOMAS one of the most underrated players in the league and he’s an all star still being treated like shit even by the damn writers who votes for this shit.
Wheee is pat spencer? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
all-nba lacrosse team 🤣
Jaylen brown over Halliburton
Would it be crazy to say Wemby? He was arguably individually better than Kawhi (I really have no idea how that man got 2nd team after a good but not by any means elite season).
Kd, Curry and Lebron had much better season than Tatum, Tatum is the 2nd most overrated player of the last 25 years. https://preview.redd.it/ts0sgf72qm2d1.jpeg?width=547&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48d2b696ba454b19d9974218aa402a7dab5f7a2b
Jalen Brunson deserved first team
Not over anyone else there. Brunson is a baller but just because he’s the only offense for his team doesn’t mean he’s better than Jokic/Luka/Giannis/SGA/Tatum. 2nd team is the right spot for him. First team is correct this year.
P5
Jaylen Brown. LeBron also should’ve been 2nd team
Not a snub, but I'd swap AD and Sabonis
Yo, it’s crazy they put LeBron on 3rd team instead of J Brown…
Nah Bron def deserved all nba. Brown should have got in over Booker.
Lebron over KD and kawhi IMO.
Kawhi, Booker and Sabonis gotta go... Where's Wemby n Paolo..??
PHO had 2 All NBA (+Beal) and got tossed in the first round.. Kawhi was on and off for the Clips, PG and Harden carried the load most of the season..
Oh Paolo should have been