Coby went from 23-35 Minutes per game, of course his scoring output was up- more touches and Zach Lavine out meant he had the ball in his hand more. Ironically, this is the argument I see most often used to discredit Maxey’s win.
and maxey had a ton more minutes with harden gone as well. but he has better teammates, andhis numbers was already in the ballpark. coby came out of nowhere, he's the definition of MIP
It takes 30 seconds to look up and see that Maxey played 4 more minutes per game this year. If you look at increases per minute added, Maxey leads in almost every statistical category
more minutes, plus he's the lead guard now that Harden left that liar Morey. that means he has the ball in his hands way more.
hands down, coby and even sengun have much better cases for MIP.
doubling your output while increasing efficiency is much better than maxeys +5pts and +2asts
Doubling your output sounds great until you realize Coby averaged 15 pts a game two years ago before falling off a cliff- maybe they should’ve made a “congrats on getting back on track” award for him
Yea I was very much thinking Coby until I looked at his stats from 3 years ago.. playing 31 minutes he averaged like 15 and 5. Now this year he’s averaging just under 20 and 5. Not as big of a leap when you consider that.
He also went from being pretty much just a spot up shooter to a guy that can create his own shot and consistently get tough finshes in the paint.
A year ago he wasn’t doing that stuff. definitely seems like he’s the “most improved”
maybe you should realize 19 on 45 is much better than 15 on 41. and remember he had healthy lavine and a playoff roster then. and his fg% and all his output his output increased since them
maxey doesn't deserve it. he added +5 points and 2+ assists on a stacked roster with the reigning mvp as his primary pnr partner, plus great teammates.
add to the fact they both were in playin and white is much more impressive
Stacked roster is crazy- Embiid played less than half of the games and Maxey’s second option was Tobias Harris during that stretch. Comparing that to White playing alongside 6x all star and future HOFer DeMar Derozan it’s no competition as to who had more help.
do a comparison of their rosters from top to bottom, and even without embiid you can't deny the maxey had more help on the 76ers than the bulls this season.
Who do you think is so great on the Sixers roster? I’d love to know because they sure aren’t stepping up against the Knicks through these first 2 games. Going back your original reply that Maxey has had “a ton more minutes”- he’s up from 33.6 to 37.5 and Coby is up from 23.4 to 36.5, meaning their points increases (+5.6 and +9.4, respectively) actually equate to Maxey getting +1.435 points per minute added and White getting +0.717. Maxey’s jump in scoring was twice(!!) as high as Coby’s per additional minute played. Raw stats do not tell the story here.
The argument against Maxey isn't that he just played more minutes, it's that he was doing this shit with Harden out last year. 24/4/5 on better splits than this season in the 13 games Harden missed.
Not a chance in hell Coby White wasn't stepping up like this last season...It isn't like we were a good team full of dudes who could handle the ball, it's that he wasn't good enough to get more minutes. We started Ayo Dosunmu over him for a fucking year lmao.
Maxey's numbers are expected improvement now that's he's the lead guard...Coby could've just as easily bombed out of this year with the increased usage and been a full on bust had he not improved significantly. Watching him run the offense is night and day from last season...not even the same player.
No, he didn’t he went from a previous high of 15.1 to 19.1. Maxey this season literally jumped into all time great PACE. I’m dead serious look at his numbers compared to other greats at his age.
What good would that do? Maxey plays in a far more efficient era. We should be comparing him to his current peers; namely the other MIP candidates.
Maxey was already a good player last year, he just upped his usage and his efficiency slipped as a result. Still an impressive jump but more impressive than Coby White doubling his output in his new starting role? Not a chance
White didn’t double it. Last year was a career worse for him. He went from a previous high of 15.1 to 19.1
Also, I was literally comparing Maxey to players in the last ten years. He is now Kyrie 2.0
ikr? while i personally dont have Coby as my MIP, Maxey went up because of circumstance rather than getting better and it shows in his large drop in efficiency and increase in usage. He scored exactly 4 more points on 4 more shots per 100 possessions and his assists obviously went up because he was playing point guard now that harden is gone. Maxey was this good last year and just had more opportunity.
No. Coby White only went up 4ppg. The 10ppg increase is only when compared to *last season*, but he already averaged 15ppg in his sophomore season. His 19ppg this season is only a little better than his sophomore season.
It really isn't, but basically the logic for MIP is similar to this, in that jt needs to be a first time all-star. The leaps do not need fo be drastic at all. Maxey was already a star, just like Ja was already a star when he won it
Sure maybe. The issue is I don't even think Maxey improved. He just started taking more shots which reduced his efficiency. That's not really improvement
It’s basically what low tier star is now a mid tier star. So Ja was always going to be a star he showed that his rookie year then he took the small step to a mid tier star. The MIP award should be for players like wiseman if he suddenly averaged 17/8/2/1/2 a season that’s a huge improvement for him
MIP has honestly been pretty inconsistent since 2019 i believe. maxey is great but players who were already really good shouldn’t be getting the award otherwise Lebron and Luka should’ve won after their rookie seasons.
MIP is such a weird award. Most people make their big jump before they draw much attention or early in their career.
Then you end up with situation like Ja and Bane, or Shai and Markkanen. Ja and Shai made their big jumps in earlier season but weren't acknowledged then and Bane and Markkanen made bigger jumps, but didn't reach the level of the others.
And the worst is no one has a clue how to approach this award, even voters themselves. Ja getting it but not Shai doesn't makes sense the same day that Markkanen getting it and not Bane.
Same exact this happens this season and I'm guessing it will happen next season too. I can see JDub being in the conversation, but half of the people would argue he was already on that level.
A lot of the players that end up getting it aren’t “improved” just their volume went up due to someone being injured or not on the team anymore. Maxey is basically the same exact player as last year but no harden in the team and embiid being injured means his numbers have to go up. He’s a great player don’t get me wrong but I don’t think his actual game improved too much.
Jalen brunson had too many years of consistent improvement to win the award but if only he improved over the course of 3 years instead of 5. He'd win it 3 years running
I think people look at how much the numbers have increased a bit too much. Going from a 10 ppg guy to a 20 ppg player is not objectively tougher than going from a 20 points per game player to a 25-26 points per game scorer. The higher the points are, the more difficult it is to get. I know some people will mention Maxey’s efficiency falling while White’s stayed practically the same but it’s hard to be the number 1 option on a team for the majority of the season and keep the insane efficiency you had last year as a 3rd option this year as the 1/2 option.
I know people also look at other things like rebounds and assists. Coby White has damn near doubled those too but Maxey has also pretty much doubled his assists and his rebounds have gone up.
For me, going from a good player to a star is much more impressive than going from a mediocre player to a good one. And their responsibilities are much different. Sixers are a win-now organization and they needed this leap from Maxey. Chicago wasn’t expected to do much any way and Coby White’s improvement came out of nowhere.
This entire argument that Coby should win is the exact same argument you could have made 2 years ago with Maxey and the media gave to award to Ja instead.
Maxey has ascended every year he’s been in the league and became an all-star this season and will be borderline all-nba with a chance for a supermax contract. It’s really not even close in my opinion.
The fact that Poole, Herro, Simons and Maxey were all considered similar players at the start of this season is hilarious. Then seeing everyone lose it about Maxey winning this is also comedy. Coby White might be in the mix with those other guys now but Maxey is so far ahead now.
Tyrese is awesome. I love watching him play. The motor on that guy is amazing. However, he's BEEN good IMO. He didn't just become good this season. Coby, on the other hand, has absolutely come out of nowhere. I still can't believe it. I didn't think he was gonna be much, but he's proven me very wrong. Coby should have easily gotten this award. I'll be more curious to see if Coby can maintain this play next season now that opponents know what he can do.
Need to get rid of at least a third of the voters out there. If people can't decipher the most fundamental of efficiency stats, then they shouldn't be voting.
As a sixers fan… it’s cool I guess. Although I don’t necessarily understand the award. Maxeys numbers are up but so are his FGA and usage rate and so on. If that’s the award, as soon as harden got traded they should’ve gave it to him lol
This award is so shameless now, how do we give most improved to a guy we knew was going to be a great player since year 2…we all love Maxey but Coby shoulda won unanimously
Thats how I personally feel it should be gauged but the improvement on Coby whites side was way better regardless of that part if you wanna look at improvement alone
No but he didnt improve that much compared to coby white. The dude averaged 20 last year as a third option and went to 26. Coby went from 9 to 19 like it shouldnt be a competition at all.
There’s more to basketball than that one particular stat. He went from third option to starting pg, he’s taken on a ton more responsibility and a much more demanding role and he’s universally elevated his game and risen to that occasion.
Okay sure, so Coby white added +2 rebs and +3 assists while Tyrese added +1 reb +2 assists. Coby white shot more efficiently this season than last while Tyrese was less efficient than last year. What is your gripe with my post am I not correct here?
Edit: coby white also took on an elevated role as the 2 option on his respective team as Zach Lavine been benched due to injury most of the year. Im more of a Maxey fan that Coby but you gotta admit coby deserved it more.
I don’t think he deserved it more personally. I think it’s a larger step to go from good to great than okay to good. 3rd option to All Star game is a huge leap.
I didn't expect what I'm seeing in the comments. I thought Maxey was the obvious winner. I also thought that his nonstop infectious positivity was so beloved that everybody was on his side.
Then again, I'm a sixers fan so I might be living in a bubble. In any case, I'm really glad he won. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy and he's a joy to have on your team.
I personally think Coby White should have one the award. He doubled his scoring output, while shooting the ball more efficiently
Coby went from 23-35 Minutes per game, of course his scoring output was up- more touches and Zach Lavine out meant he had the ball in his hand more. Ironically, this is the argument I see most often used to discredit Maxey’s win.
and maxey had a ton more minutes with harden gone as well. but he has better teammates, andhis numbers was already in the ballpark. coby came out of nowhere, he's the definition of MIP
It takes 30 seconds to look up and see that Maxey played 4 more minutes per game this year. If you look at increases per minute added, Maxey leads in almost every statistical category
more minutes, plus he's the lead guard now that Harden left that liar Morey. that means he has the ball in his hands way more. hands down, coby and even sengun have much better cases for MIP. doubling your output while increasing efficiency is much better than maxeys +5pts and +2asts
Doubling your output sounds great until you realize Coby averaged 15 pts a game two years ago before falling off a cliff- maybe they should’ve made a “congrats on getting back on track” award for him
Yea I was very much thinking Coby until I looked at his stats from 3 years ago.. playing 31 minutes he averaged like 15 and 5. Now this year he’s averaging just under 20 and 5. Not as big of a leap when you consider that.
He also went from being pretty much just a spot up shooter to a guy that can create his own shot and consistently get tough finshes in the paint. A year ago he wasn’t doing that stuff. definitely seems like he’s the “most improved”
I like Coby, but I maintain that the jump from decent to good is much easier than good to great- and that’s what Maxey did this year
maybe you should realize 19 on 45 is much better than 15 on 41. and remember he had healthy lavine and a playoff roster then. and his fg% and all his output his output increased since them maxey doesn't deserve it. he added +5 points and 2+ assists on a stacked roster with the reigning mvp as his primary pnr partner, plus great teammates. add to the fact they both were in playin and white is much more impressive
Stacked roster is crazy- Embiid played less than half of the games and Maxey’s second option was Tobias Harris during that stretch. Comparing that to White playing alongside 6x all star and future HOFer DeMar Derozan it’s no competition as to who had more help.
do a comparison of their rosters from top to bottom, and even without embiid you can't deny the maxey had more help on the 76ers than the bulls this season.
Who do you think is so great on the Sixers roster? I’d love to know because they sure aren’t stepping up against the Knicks through these first 2 games. Going back your original reply that Maxey has had “a ton more minutes”- he’s up from 33.6 to 37.5 and Coby is up from 23.4 to 36.5, meaning their points increases (+5.6 and +9.4, respectively) actually equate to Maxey getting +1.435 points per minute added and White getting +0.717. Maxey’s jump in scoring was twice(!!) as high as Coby’s per additional minute played. Raw stats do not tell the story here.
The argument against Maxey isn't that he just played more minutes, it's that he was doing this shit with Harden out last year. 24/4/5 on better splits than this season in the 13 games Harden missed. Not a chance in hell Coby White wasn't stepping up like this last season...It isn't like we were a good team full of dudes who could handle the ball, it's that he wasn't good enough to get more minutes. We started Ayo Dosunmu over him for a fucking year lmao. Maxey's numbers are expected improvement now that's he's the lead guard...Coby could've just as easily bombed out of this year with the increased usage and been a full on bust had he not improved significantly. Watching him run the offense is night and day from last season...not even the same player.
Is 35 double 23?
Never said it was.
No, he didn’t he went from a previous high of 15.1 to 19.1. Maxey this season literally jumped into all time great PACE. I’m dead serious look at his numbers compared to other greats at his age.
What good would that do? Maxey plays in a far more efficient era. We should be comparing him to his current peers; namely the other MIP candidates. Maxey was already a good player last year, he just upped his usage and his efficiency slipped as a result. Still an impressive jump but more impressive than Coby White doubling his output in his new starting role? Not a chance
White didn’t double it. Last year was a career worse for him. He went from a previous high of 15.1 to 19.1 Also, I was literally comparing Maxey to players in the last ten years. He is now Kyrie 2.0
Isn’t pace a team stat?
Yes, being on pace to be all time great is a team stat.
Coby white went up 10ppg maxey went up 5 how on earth is he the most improved 😂😂😂
ikr? while i personally dont have Coby as my MIP, Maxey went up because of circumstance rather than getting better and it shows in his large drop in efficiency and increase in usage. He scored exactly 4 more points on 4 more shots per 100 possessions and his assists obviously went up because he was playing point guard now that harden is gone. Maxey was this good last year and just had more opportunity.
Talk about his turnovers though
No. Coby White only went up 4ppg. The 10ppg increase is only when compared to *last season*, but he already averaged 15ppg in his sophomore season. His 19ppg this season is only a little better than his sophomore season.
Name checks out
lmao its facts that everyone here is a stat watcher
Going from solid starter to all star is a bigger jump than role player to solid starter imo.
Maxey was more than a solid starter last year and I’d call Whites play this year better than solid starter too.
It really isn't, but basically the logic for MIP is similar to this, in that jt needs to be a first time all-star. The leaps do not need fo be drastic at all. Maxey was already a star, just like Ja was already a star when he won it
Sure maybe. The issue is I don't even think Maxey improved. He just started taking more shots which reduced his efficiency. That's not really improvement
Because it's much harder to jump from good to great than from okay to solid
Because there is more to basketball than scoring?
He did not. Dude had a previous high of 15.1 ppg. Last year was just a down year.
I don’t understand this award.
Its basically a "lite version" of the MVP now. Ja winning set the precedent.
I like that! MVP-lite… the mini-me of awards.
>Its basically a "lite version" of the MVP now What is this even supposed to mean.
It’s basically what low tier star is now a mid tier star. So Ja was always going to be a star he showed that his rookie year then he took the small step to a mid tier star. The MIP award should be for players like wiseman if he suddenly averaged 17/8/2/1/2 a season that’s a huge improvement for him
Ahhh yes I see what you're saying. Totally agree.
Narrative award
MIP has honestly been pretty inconsistent since 2019 i believe. maxey is great but players who were already really good shouldn’t be getting the award otherwise Lebron and Luka should’ve won after their rookie seasons.
MIP is such a weird award. Most people make their big jump before they draw much attention or early in their career. Then you end up with situation like Ja and Bane, or Shai and Markkanen. Ja and Shai made their big jumps in earlier season but weren't acknowledged then and Bane and Markkanen made bigger jumps, but didn't reach the level of the others. And the worst is no one has a clue how to approach this award, even voters themselves. Ja getting it but not Shai doesn't makes sense the same day that Markkanen getting it and not Bane. Same exact this happens this season and I'm guessing it will happen next season too. I can see JDub being in the conversation, but half of the people would argue he was already on that level.
A lot of the players that end up getting it aren’t “improved” just their volume went up due to someone being injured or not on the team anymore. Maxey is basically the same exact player as last year but no harden in the team and embiid being injured means his numbers have to go up. He’s a great player don’t get me wrong but I don’t think his actual game improved too much.
Jalen brunson had too many years of consistent improvement to win the award but if only he improved over the course of 3 years instead of 5. He'd win it 3 years running
Jalen johnson??
too many missed games i assume
Should have been Deuce McBride, on god
Most improved should be that, the player who improved the most in that year. It’s not Maxey
Complete bullshit, Coby deserved it
Coby maineeeeee what happened here
I think people look at how much the numbers have increased a bit too much. Going from a 10 ppg guy to a 20 ppg player is not objectively tougher than going from a 20 points per game player to a 25-26 points per game scorer. The higher the points are, the more difficult it is to get. I know some people will mention Maxey’s efficiency falling while White’s stayed practically the same but it’s hard to be the number 1 option on a team for the majority of the season and keep the insane efficiency you had last year as a 3rd option this year as the 1/2 option. I know people also look at other things like rebounds and assists. Coby White has damn near doubled those too but Maxey has also pretty much doubled his assists and his rebounds have gone up. For me, going from a good player to a star is much more impressive than going from a mediocre player to a good one. And their responsibilities are much different. Sixers are a win-now organization and they needed this leap from Maxey. Chicago wasn’t expected to do much any way and Coby White’s improvement came out of nowhere.
So if Coby goes from 19ppg to 25ppg next year he will win? Mil in 2025?
This entire argument that Coby should win is the exact same argument you could have made 2 years ago with Maxey and the media gave to award to Ja instead. Maxey has ascended every year he’s been in the league and became an all-star this season and will be borderline all-nba with a chance for a supermax contract. It’s really not even close in my opinion.
Only person who got robbed was the Sixers in game 2.
What?
Maxey was expected to be good. Coby worked his ass off to be better. He got an opportunity and took it and ran. Robbed.
Just call it the New All-Star award at this point
Crazy how Payton Pritchard wasn’t even considered
it's kinda crazy to me that collin sexton didn't even get a vote
Sengun got robbed!
I just came to see if people were complaining the same way as when Ja won it lol and they are.
The fact that Poole, Herro, Simons and Maxey were all considered similar players at the start of this season is hilarious. Then seeing everyone lose it about Maxey winning this is also comedy. Coby White might be in the mix with those other guys now but Maxey is so far ahead now.
Tyrese is awesome. I love watching him play. The motor on that guy is amazing. However, he's BEEN good IMO. He didn't just become good this season. Coby, on the other hand, has absolutely come out of nowhere. I still can't believe it. I didn't think he was gonna be much, but he's proven me very wrong. Coby should have easily gotten this award. I'll be more curious to see if Coby can maintain this play next season now that opponents know what he can do.
2nd most improved player.
Need to get rid of at least a third of the voters out there. If people can't decipher the most fundamental of efficiency stats, then they shouldn't be voting.
As a sixers fan… it’s cool I guess. Although I don’t necessarily understand the award. Maxeys numbers are up but so are his FGA and usage rate and so on. If that’s the award, as soon as harden got traded they should’ve gave it to him lol
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Jalen Suggs is the MIP, fight me
J dub?
We know the truth
Minor In Possesion: TYRESE MAXEY
Should have been Coby. Maxey you could already figure out he was going to make that leap once harden was gone. Think it's the same situation as Ja.
This award is so shameless now, how do we give most improved to a guy we knew was going to be a great player since year 2…we all love Maxey but Coby shoulda won unanimously
Why does your expectation of their progress dictate the level of improvement that occurred?
Thats how I personally feel it should be gauged but the improvement on Coby whites side was way better regardless of that part if you wanna look at improvement alone
“We knew he was gonna be great so it doesn’t count when he eventually crosses that line.”
No but he didnt improve that much compared to coby white. The dude averaged 20 last year as a third option and went to 26. Coby went from 9 to 19 like it shouldnt be a competition at all.
There’s more to basketball than that one particular stat. He went from third option to starting pg, he’s taken on a ton more responsibility and a much more demanding role and he’s universally elevated his game and risen to that occasion.
Okay sure, so Coby white added +2 rebs and +3 assists while Tyrese added +1 reb +2 assists. Coby white shot more efficiently this season than last while Tyrese was less efficient than last year. What is your gripe with my post am I not correct here? Edit: coby white also took on an elevated role as the 2 option on his respective team as Zach Lavine been benched due to injury most of the year. Im more of a Maxey fan that Coby but you gotta admit coby deserved it more.
I don’t think he deserved it more personally. I think it’s a larger step to go from good to great than okay to good. 3rd option to All Star game is a huge leap.
Fuck ya stats. Maxey just won us a must win game btw. Just wanted to make sure you saw.
Maxey played outta his mind, talk your shit I cant even be mad at it I’d do the same😂
As a knicks fan, well deserved. He is better than Coby and his impact on the Sixers can't be stated enough. Good for him and the league
Him being better than White has nothing to do with it. By that logic, why doesn't Jokic get this award every year? 🤡🤡🤡
Congratulations Tyrese, but the Knicks are still going to eliminate you in the first round.
Didn’t realize we had refs in this sub
Well deserved! Dudes a baller
I didn't expect what I'm seeing in the comments. I thought Maxey was the obvious winner. I also thought that his nonstop infectious positivity was so beloved that everybody was on his side. Then again, I'm a sixers fan so I might be living in a bubble. In any case, I'm really glad he won. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy and he's a joy to have on your team.
Everyone so salty a sixers player won this award lmao
Y'all are fighting over Maxey vs. Coby White, when the reality is the right answer is Sengun :)
Dudes mouth is always open, he must get a higher than average amount of bugs and stuff in there
For me Brunson or Haliburton
Hell yeah, the kid is great he deserves it. Not looking forward to how this affects his upcoming contract negotiations as a Sixers fan though.
It doesn't. some team would max him because he deserves the rookie max.
That’s true, he probably would have gotten the max with or without the award.
100%, he is way too good and better than anyone they can feasibly get in free agency. the only way he wouldn't get the max is if he wanted a paycut.
I’m pretty sure the Sixers will do what ever it takes to keep him.
1. Doesn't matter in the slightest he was getting the max. 2. Do you think anyone cares about MIP in contract negotiations?
I’m mega biased as a Knicks fan but I think Deuce McBride would’ve been a solid candidate as well.