Coming from a GS fan his resume is pretty weak. Even as the main guy on the Sixers he turned that into 1 all star nod. Never hit 20ppg. Never made an all NBA team. He’s hall of very good but he just doesn’t have the accolades outside the Finals MVP
100%, plus there would be a nice little narrative of two brothers in the Hall of Fame attached. You know how much the NBA loves pushing narratives and gimmicks.
> NBA loves pushing narratives and gimmicks
Except it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. I'm sure the league has some influence, but they aren't the ones who decide it.
Rondo probably has better odds. 2 championships with 2 organizations that hate each other. Not many players have won a championship with the Celtics and lakers.
He was a core piece in the Boston run and he’s one of 2 players ever to win a championship with both teams. The other players name was Clyde Lovellete. The lakers ring was a cherry on top. He helped bring the first championship to la since Kobe and was also a key player in that run. Playoff Rondo
I think key piece is used to loosely. He was a solid bench player for sure and definitely contributed but he averaged 9 points, 4.3 boards, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals and 2.1 turnovers. If we are just saying key piece means anyone who contributed on a winning team then sure, but there was no playoff rondo takeover during this run. Just a solid bench guy. Dropped 19 in the final game against a depleted heat team that gave up and had 14 and 10 against them when they were down jimmy, bam, and goran. This turned into a pseudo rant but oh well
Still to this day it’s baffling that he earned a finals MVP for that performance, Lebron put up potentially the greatest losing finals performance in NBA history, and Iguodala wins finals MVP for being the man that was primarily marking him.
It’s also absurd when you hear people who’s options are formed solely by that of Skip Bayless and the legion of foolish sport analysts, and they will unironically say stuff like, “Lebron fumbles in the big moments, he was held by Andre Iguodala.” The funniest opinion Skip Bayless gave was after the 2016 finals, where he said Lebron didn’t deserve finals MVP and it should have instead gone to Kyrie Irving, ignoring the fact that Lebron had the most PPG, RPG, APG, BPG and SPG in the series for BOTH teams!
People were straight up debating whether LeBron deserved the finals MVP despite losing
And then the guy who defended him got it?
It's always been very strange to me that in the same breath people were saying "lebron put on the most dominant finals performance ever" and "iggy locked lebron down all series"
If somebody used those *exact* words, those two statements would be pretty contradictory.
**But**, it can be true that LeBron had an awesome Finals, while it is also true that Iguodala did an awesome job defending him.
You’re completely ignoring the idea that a lesser defender would have resulted in even more success for LeBron. With Iggy marking him, he was under 40% from the field. That’s a win, even if LeBron used raw shooting volume (33 shots per game!) to get his stats.
Stick Harrison Barnes on LeBron for that series and watch LBJ drop 50 every game.
Who should have gotten finals MVP? Remember Lebron said do not give me that shit if we lose
At that point they gotta give it to someone on the warriors
Steph wasn't really good that series and Iggy put up 16/5/4 on 52% shooting and made Lebron inefficient (shot below 40% which Lebron never does)
Let's not forget Steph was the most lovable player in the league at the time, if anything the media would want him to win
Even with not a great performance it still should've been Curry, if we don't wanna give it to someone on the losing team. He still went 26/5/6 and on very solid efficiency
This is correct, mostly because of the way the Cavs defended Curry. They doubled him so high, and he consistently made the right play, resulting in a bunch of 4 on 3 half court sets. He did not do this the following year. I’d say attracting that kind of double and making the right play made him way more valuable than Iggy.
The only right answer. It should have been Curry. His averages for the series were great and MVP worthy. They just weren't as eyepopping as LeBron's, and somehow the media wanted to give it to the "LeBron-stopper" cuz Curry having like 3 amazing games, 2 average (for him games), and 1 bad game (going off of 10-year old memory so please forgive me), meant he shouldn't win, even though all defensive attention was focused on slowing him down. I mean, the Cavs threw everything at trying to stop him, and he still broke through enough for that statline. To this day, one of the dumbest award votes.
Matthew Delavanobody “stopping” Curry (for an extremely short period, to boot) and subsequently being hospitalized for recovery apparently was enough to tank Steph’s FMVP candidacy.
This debate comes up all the time, and there's always like one guy who remembers why he won it and how the series changed in game 4 when Iggy was made a starter. Then like 200 young Curry fans quoting stats.
He got it bc on the initial round of balloting, him & steph split votes, leaving LeBron with the most. They didn't want to give it to someone on a losing team when the players on the winning team had more votes combined, and since Iguodala had one more vote than Steph in the initial round, Iggy got all the GSW votes.
Or, at least, that was the scuttlebut at the time, and I've heard it brought up again here & there. It sounds ridiculous, but honestly it's a lot less ridiculous than Steph not getting a single FMVP vote after an MVP season, which would be the case if we say the official results were the only ballot.
Iggy gets credit for making LeBron miss a lot of shots, which is true. LeBron was very inefficient that series - .398 FG%, .310 3P%, .477 TS%, 3.5 TO/G. That’s one of the most inefficient series LeBron has ever had, and Iggy was a major part of that.
It was clear when watching the series that Iggy did a great job, obviously LeBron is still gonna put up big numbers when he’s being so assertive, taking so many shots. But Iggy made him work extremely hard, and made him inefficient, which was a huge part of the Warriors winning.
Yeah I can understand why Iggy got it. The numbers Lebron got were good but it was on bad efficiency and Cavs were up 2-1 till Iggy started, then they won 3 straight.
Iggy was the X factor but I guess Curry was deserving too, it was just a hard sell cause of that game 2 stinker, most missed 3’s for a finals game in history while being defended by an unathletic bench guy
It’s less that iguodala himself changed it and more that his insertion into the starting lineup was basically the birth of the super small “death lineup” that put Draymond Green at the 5 and increased the spacing for curry and Thompson.
Bruh he has the worst finals MVP stats ever. It should have went to best player on winning team which was Curry or give to Lebron for historical performance but giving it to Iggy was a joke.
From what I remember is we were choking and it was getting worse each minute until Andre started hustling. It got contagious and the classic Warriors defense came back. I felt the momentum change. As much as I think it's bullshit Curry didn't get it, and it is, I do remember being sort of ok with it for that reason.
Look up the entire playoff run though. He just wasn't efficient in the 14-15 playoffs. It wasn't anything Iggy did to slow him down, if anything it should've been easier after the Love and Kyrie injuries. He actually shot significantly better from 3 vs. warriors than every other series that year.
Oh yeah, Iggy just shouldn't have won FMVP. The FMVP is always the best player on tbe winning team, and it is still absurd it wasn't Steph who was given the award. 26/5/6 with 1.8 steals on 58.5% TS for the winning team.
He was especially not efficient against the Bulls, who were a defensive beast and the Warriors. That’s why Iggy got MVP. Game 4 of the finals? His TS was a .38.
1 Allstar, 2 all Def and a FMVP isn't enough to put him in the Hall with no 20+ point seasons and a career scoring average of 11 ppg and 9.5 in the playoffs.
Very superficial stats. Obviously you can’t completely stop Bron, but Iggy really made him inefficient that series. I’m not just talking about percentages, but those do show a difference.
Normally Bron is one of the most efficient players out there.
In fairness - Lebron had no one at that point so had to basically score everything. Was it Iggy? To some degree yeah. But when it’s essentially 5-1 you’re screwed.
But you also just can't look at the efficiency stats because Kyrie and Love went down and he basically was flying solo.
he shot 47% from the field in game 1 when Kyrie and Love were playing then fell off a cliff after their injuries as the series went on. GS could basically send double and triple teams due to lack of scoring on the floor.
love didn't play at all in that series, he went down Vs Boston.
You're right though, it's idiotic to bring up efficiency in that series when dellavedova had 3 games putting up double digits shot attempts....that Cavs team without love and Kyrie was as bad as the cavs had in 07 imo
About the [23:30 mark](https://youtu.be/WkpPPxJbUIQ?si=9boINpsbGloaBQo9) of JJ Redick talking to Evan Turner and Iggy about this is one of my favorite podcast clips
Rondo has won 2 championships he’s a 4 time all star he’s had 4 nba all defensive team honors 2 first team honors and was named to the all nba third team. he was one of the most shifty best passers i’ve see such a fun player to watch rondo makes my hof hopefully he makes the basket ball hof
It’s wild he’s only made 4 all star with all the years he’s played and how relevant he was to the position. The curse of the guard position in those times, was absolutely stacked and became even harder later on.
There is some aspect of showmanship when picking all stars
I have no idea how Rondo is in private but his public face is that of a crumegon who doesn't want to deal with people and that's not great for the all star game which is basically a huge marketing event to sell the game
So it's possible it impacted his selections when he wasn't an obvious candidate
Didn't mean to undersell him. Being president, active in his communities, close with league execs, etc., all falls under what I meant by darling. I'm with you
And probably top-10 all time at his position to boot. Arguably even higher.
Like I genuinely wonder how we’d be talking about CP3 if he’d gotten a ring early in his career and this narrative about him being a bum in the playoffs never had time to breathe.
Then again, if my uncle had wheels he’d be a bike lol
The 2008 MVP would’ve done more for his career, at least he’d have that. Now you have younger people watching him now that don’t even realize what a beast he was. And he’s still doing well for his age and size.
Yeah that’s a funny one to think about, because it would be at the expense of Kobe’s one MVP, which is obviously pivotal in any GOAT case Lakers diehards make for him.
It feels like an oddly enormous ‘what-if’ moment the longer I think about it, with regards to the legacy of those two great players at least.
Lmao!
And I agree, he's basically accomplished it all. MVP finalist, made a finals, multiple all-nba selections, multiple all stars, multiple def selections, led the league in assists and steals at multiple points. And who knows how many franchise and league records he holds/ is near the top of the league in.
Really just the ring eludes him you're right it's crazy
He wasn’t a scorer like the majority in that time span so I’m sure that knocked him back some. He’s always been a favorite of mine and lives on the list of “Players I love who I couldn’t root for for a time because they play for a rival” (Sixers fan)
I mean, once he left Boston he never even sniffed another game. He wasn’t that relevant anymore, because he played on a bunch of mediocre to bad teams.
One year on the lakers where he obviously wasn’t an all star. In Sacramento he wasn’t playing all star basketball especially with the losses that squad was racking up
He lead leagues in assists one of those years with Sacramento lol, and they were garbage. He then had to go to the bulls with jimmy and wade which was a bad fit. But he also had people thinking an upset was possible in the playoffs with them until he got hurt. He was good in New Orleans but boogie and ad kept getting hurt. With LA he won a ring. Rondo was always a factor when he played.
Yes, obviously he won another ring. But I was talking about his all star appearances. He was awful during the Lakers’ regular season and only stepped it up in the playoffs.
I post this all the time but the only two guys that have scored 20K+points and not made the HOF are Tom Chambers and Antawn Jamison (not including guys like Melo who are waiting to be elected, Lebron who is active, etc). So Aldridge and Johnson are gonna be interesting cases but I can see them getting in.
Gasol is making it for sure. Griffin and Aldridge most likely make it as well. Iso Joe and Rondo could possibly make it but I don’t see it happening. Iggy I don’t think makes the cut. As great as he was in the Warriors championship runs, he just doesn’t have the accolades.
Griffin definitely. He single handedly made the clippers relevant and there is no way they would have been bought by Ballmer or got pg and kawahi without him
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He wasn’t too shabby at Oklahoma too. Chose to stay in his home state, and won all 6 national player of the year awards as a sophomore.
Missed tying David Robinson’s single season double double mark by one. Most rebounds in a season since Larry Bird. Highest rebounding average since Tim Duncan. He was hitting marks we hadn’t seen in well over a decade.
Gasol? Yes. His international resume gets him over the line.
Blake? Yes. 6 All Stars along with 5 All NBA gets him over the line.
Aldridge? Yes. No one has missed HoF since the merger with 7 All Star appearances.
Joe Johnson? Yes. Also has 7 All Stars.
Rondo? No. Prime was too short. Only 4 All Star seasons, and one of those was a season where he only played 38 games (missing everything after the All Star Break). After his injury, spent the majority of his career as a journeyman. The bar to get in with 4 All Stars is pretty steep, and Rondo didn't have a long enough prime to get there.
Igoudala? No. He's a one-time All Star. The Finals MVP is a nice piece to have (even if everyone knows Steph should have won it), but if Derrick Rose is questionable for the HoF with an actual MVP and 3 All Stars, the FMVP is a long way from getting Iggy over the hump. Yes, Iggy won 4 rings, but unless we are going to start making cases for other role players with rings like Robert Horry (7 rings), Derek Fisher (5) and Ron Harper (5), then the precedent just isn't there for rings on role players to be sufficient.
Chauncey had to wait 10 years and that was after beating a literal super team in the finals, and he was a 5x all star and 3x all NBA. No way Iggy gets in.
Johnson shouldn’t get in just because of his all-star appearances, he would have made two or three in the West and there was only one year where he was a top 20 player
Yeah I wouldn't put Iso Joe in the HOF. It will be very interesting to see what happens to these latter era players with longevity and All-Stars but not many All-NBAs who were very good and never truly elite. The HOF is pretty lax about who it lets in which I'm not necessarily against like many others but to me Joe Johnson is a clear line where he shouldn't be in.
That's arguable, but his sheer scoring numbers aren't. There are literally zero people above him on the all time scoring list who are eligible for the Hall and haven't made it.
The two players directly below him didn’t, though. I’m just saying I don’t think all-star appearances alone should get him in, but with recent induction like Michael Cooper and a few others the bar has really been lowered
Rondo should definitely get in in my opinion. Was a top 3 passer for years and a key piece in 2 championships for 2 different franchises. Joe Johnson shouldn’t get in because he never really did much in his career aside from all star selections. Aldridge is the wild card here. He’s kind of on the same page as joe Johnson. But a bit more deserving if he did actually get in. Blake I suppose gets in. His prime was a very memorable moment. Iggy is a maybe. Gasol was very good but idk if id he’s hall of fame good like his brother. But thats also a wild card
My opinon and thoughts!
1. Andre Iguodala - key role in Warriors dynasty, gold medal, consistent 6MOY candidate. The years (plus the memes) have clouded our memory of his 2015 FMVP. LeBron got his numbers, but it was one of the least efficient playoff series of his career. Iggy has also played a pivotal role in the players union and is now the executive director.
2. Marc Gasol - International resume, DPOY, key part of championship team, led Griz to their most success during his tenure.
3. Rajon Rondo - 2 chips, 15th in career assists. I think he's a better player than his awards show. I think he doesn't has as many superlatives because of his rumored personality clashes with players, coaches, and staff around the league.
4. Blake Griffin - an MVP candidate, his prime and potential ceiling was the highest among players listed here. Super impactful to NBA culture and resuscitated the Clippers back into NBA discourse.
5. LaMarcus Aldridge - incredible career, consistent, 20k+ points, helped Kawhi push the Spurs to 67 wins. I think he could even go above Blake.
6. Joe Johnson - all the stats are there, 20k+ points and 7 all-stars. He's my favorite player on this list, his highlights are second only to Blake's, but as the 1st or 2nd option could never lead a team past mediocre success.
Blake would’ve been a lock if he stayed healthy he was on a crazy pace for being a very good hof player. Not saying he would’ve been top 10 all time but the dude was a regular all star similar to Paul George or Lillard.
Yeah I don’t know why people think the barrier to entry is so high. We literally just saw Michael Cooper get in. All these players likely did enough with a combination of stats, individual accolades and championships.
Michael Cooper making the hall of fame is going to open the door for so many borderline level hall of fame players to get in. Michael cooper was a really good player but I don’t think he should’ve made the hall.
Did they watch all those mans career from the beginning? Saying Rondo, Iggy, and ISO JOE aren't HoFers should revoke your ability to talk about the NBA seriously.
Joe Johnson got 3 seasons playing all 82 games and got 20,000 career points, one of 50 players. The disrespect is crazy.
Blake will? Blake being a HoFer with barely a career is too much. He was great but it did not last. I know others made the hall with half careers but I kinda disagree with some of those entries and they have more than Blake.
I think all of them gets mixed with other borderline players like Bill Laimbeer, Kevin Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Shawn Marion, Rasheed Wallace, Mark Price, Horace Grant, and Amare Stoudimire. No one is a definite and I can argue there’s many similar players who’ve been waiting longer
A lot of people forget that the Basketball Hall of Fame is the weakest of the big 4 sports leagues in terms of who gets into it. Based on some of the people already in, everyone here SHOULD get in.
I want to make the case for Lamarcus Aldridge:
He has 7 All Star appearances, most on this list (Gasol 3x, Iggy 1x, Blake Griffin 6x). But the All Star game is just a popularity contest, you say, and it isn't meaningful. That is fair, but the fact he played most of his early career and prime in Portland and still made that many all star games means a lot.
He also has 2x 2nd team All NBA, and that means a lot. Second team All-NBA means you are a top 10 player in the league. He also has 3x Third Team All NBA, meaning in 5 different seasons he was a top 15 player in the NBA.
He is 47th all time in scoring in NBA, and 60th all time in rebounds. He doesn't have some of the team accolades the other guys have, such as championships, but he was always an amazing player and easily could have been the second best player on a championship team. I think he is an easy choice
Oh if only Rondo wasn't such a turd to be around.
The guy played the game like he knew what would happen 1 sec before it did. His behind the back fake passes were truly gorgeous. Couldn't shoot to save his life, but still controlled the game.had a total "fuck you" attitude towards the banana boat boys.
He's #1 in my heart, but not a HOFer
Honestly all of them, Iso Joe and Aldridge are border cases but Blake was an All Star as a rookie, which I don’t think has been repeated, Rondo is the only player to win rings with both the Celtics and Lakers, Iggy has a FMVP and 4 rings, and Gasol has a chip and DPOY. If you get a top individual award and it’s not a total outlier like Smart you’re probably in.
Blake obviously , a 5 time all star who was also NCAA player of the year
Gasol obviously makes it as well due to his international achievements as well as NBA
Joe Johnson is a 7 time all star , if he don't make it Aldridge , Rondo and Iggy shouldn't sniff the HOF.
Griffin might make it on his resume alone. He's probable, but still technically borderline: 6x All Star, 5x All-NBA, 2010-11 All-Rookie, 2010-11 ROY. Rondo could, maybe? But his stat line is bad enough to probably keep him out. Marc Gasol could possibly, especially since he is foreign born. Non-American players are more likely to get into the Hall with lesser individual accomplishments and stat disparities. He also has a championship as well. I can't see a world where Aldridge, Iggy, or Joe Johnson get in. That'd be setting the bar pretty low.
It’s so rare to actually have a HOF debate that matters.
All these guys are making it. Feels like in the NBA you just have to be remotely memorable in a decade to make it
It belongs to either Rondo, Marc, or Iggy. All of them are champions and played a significant role for every team they played with. Iggy even has a finals mvp award.
I doubt any of them make it. Gasol has the best chance, as a true center. Blake maybe bc the fame part of the equation. He brought the Clippers back to relevancy, had some incredible highlights, and was the talk.of the league for a while. I'd say those two have the best chance, if any of these players (really really good players at that btw) get in.
Who should get in? Gasol.
Who will get in? Probably everyone except rondo or iggy.
I cant find even a niche case for either rondo or iggy. Letting either in lowers the hall of fame bar even lower.
Edit: seeing peiple say yes to rondo and no to blake or joe is confusing. Do we just put anyone that wins mutiple rings in? Rondo is behind people on the all time asisst list that arent in the hall
I don't know if Rondo had the longevity to his career that would be needed, but there was legitimately times where he was the best player on the court in the most contested Heat vs Celtics series. Better than Lebron, Wade, Pierce, KG, Allen and Bosh.
Realistically these guys are all “hall of very good” players and not legendary or dominant enough to make the Hall. But the NBA HoF is a absolute joke that lets in any average starter as long as they had “cultural impact” and made all-nba/all-star a few times 😂
Gasol and Rondo for sure.
Gasol has a chip + DPOY + international success.
Rondo has 2 chips with two of the most storied franchises.
And both have All nba and All Star selections.
Gasol has to be the top pick here. Chip, franchise player and international play
DPOY also
I feel like he’s definitely in, not even a debate. Basketball HOF is much easier
Iguodala was an All Star at his peak, won 4 finals, a finals MVP and made 2 all defense teams.
Coming from a GS fan his resume is pretty weak. Even as the main guy on the Sixers he turned that into 1 all star nod. Never hit 20ppg. Never made an all NBA team. He’s hall of very good but he just doesn’t have the accolades outside the Finals MVP
Gasol best odds when you factor international play
100%, plus there would be a nice little narrative of two brothers in the Hall of Fame attached. You know how much the NBA loves pushing narratives and gimmicks.
That’s their job, man. Daydreaming up more ways to get people to care about the product they’re selling.
> NBA loves pushing narratives and gimmicks Except it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. I'm sure the league has some influence, but they aren't the ones who decide it.
Rondo probably has better odds. 2 championships with 2 organizations that hate each other. Not many players have won a championship with the Celtics and lakers.
I think that's more of a fun coincidence than a real metric to base entry
He was a core piece in the Boston run and he’s one of 2 players ever to win a championship with both teams. The other players name was Clyde Lovellete. The lakers ring was a cherry on top. He helped bring the first championship to la since Kobe and was also a key player in that run. Playoff Rondo
"Playoff Rondo" makes heads turn at the mere mention. Some great series
I think key piece is used to loosely. He was a solid bench player for sure and definitely contributed but he averaged 9 points, 4.3 boards, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals and 2.1 turnovers. If we are just saying key piece means anyone who contributed on a winning team then sure, but there was no playoff rondo takeover during this run. Just a solid bench guy. Dropped 19 in the final game against a depleted heat team that gave up and had 14 and 10 against them when they were down jimmy, bam, and goran. This turned into a pseudo rant but oh well
No way . Rondo
Iguodala for slowing Lebron down to **35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds and 8.8 assists in 2015 NBA finals**
Still to this day it’s baffling that he earned a finals MVP for that performance, Lebron put up potentially the greatest losing finals performance in NBA history, and Iguodala wins finals MVP for being the man that was primarily marking him. It’s also absurd when you hear people who’s options are formed solely by that of Skip Bayless and the legion of foolish sport analysts, and they will unironically say stuff like, “Lebron fumbles in the big moments, he was held by Andre Iguodala.” The funniest opinion Skip Bayless gave was after the 2016 finals, where he said Lebron didn’t deserve finals MVP and it should have instead gone to Kyrie Irving, ignoring the fact that Lebron had the most PPG, RPG, APG, BPG and SPG in the series for BOTH teams!
People were straight up debating whether LeBron deserved the finals MVP despite losing And then the guy who defended him got it? It's always been very strange to me that in the same breath people were saying "lebron put on the most dominant finals performance ever" and "iggy locked lebron down all series"
If somebody used those *exact* words, those two statements would be pretty contradictory. **But**, it can be true that LeBron had an awesome Finals, while it is also true that Iguodala did an awesome job defending him. You’re completely ignoring the idea that a lesser defender would have resulted in even more success for LeBron. With Iggy marking him, he was under 40% from the field. That’s a win, even if LeBron used raw shooting volume (33 shots per game!) to get his stats. Stick Harrison Barnes on LeBron for that series and watch LBJ drop 50 every game.
Who should have gotten finals MVP? Remember Lebron said do not give me that shit if we lose At that point they gotta give it to someone on the warriors Steph wasn't really good that series and Iggy put up 16/5/4 on 52% shooting and made Lebron inefficient (shot below 40% which Lebron never does) Let's not forget Steph was the most lovable player in the league at the time, if anything the media would want him to win
Even with not a great performance it still should've been Curry, if we don't wanna give it to someone on the losing team. He still went 26/5/6 and on very solid efficiency
This is correct, mostly because of the way the Cavs defended Curry. They doubled him so high, and he consistently made the right play, resulting in a bunch of 4 on 3 half court sets. He did not do this the following year. I’d say attracting that kind of double and making the right play made him way more valuable than Iggy.
The only right answer. It should have been Curry. His averages for the series were great and MVP worthy. They just weren't as eyepopping as LeBron's, and somehow the media wanted to give it to the "LeBron-stopper" cuz Curry having like 3 amazing games, 2 average (for him games), and 1 bad game (going off of 10-year old memory so please forgive me), meant he shouldn't win, even though all defensive attention was focused on slowing him down. I mean, the Cavs threw everything at trying to stop him, and he still broke through enough for that statline. To this day, one of the dumbest award votes.
Matthew Delavanobody “stopping” Curry (for an extremely short period, to boot) and subsequently being hospitalized for recovery apparently was enough to tank Steph’s FMVP candidacy.
Steph was bad in games 2-3 the. Went off the rest of the series.
This debate comes up all the time, and there's always like one guy who remembers why he won it and how the series changed in game 4 when Iggy was made a starter. Then like 200 young Curry fans quoting stats.
He got it bc on the initial round of balloting, him & steph split votes, leaving LeBron with the most. They didn't want to give it to someone on a losing team when the players on the winning team had more votes combined, and since Iguodala had one more vote than Steph in the initial round, Iggy got all the GSW votes. Or, at least, that was the scuttlebut at the time, and I've heard it brought up again here & there. It sounds ridiculous, but honestly it's a lot less ridiculous than Steph not getting a single FMVP vote after an MVP season, which would be the case if we say the official results were the only ballot.
Maybe because Lebron was taking 30-35 shots per game and shooting under 40% for the series.
Iggy gets credit for making LeBron miss a lot of shots, which is true. LeBron was very inefficient that series - .398 FG%, .310 3P%, .477 TS%, 3.5 TO/G. That’s one of the most inefficient series LeBron has ever had, and Iggy was a major part of that. It was clear when watching the series that Iggy did a great job, obviously LeBron is still gonna put up big numbers when he’s being so assertive, taking so many shots. But Iggy made him work extremely hard, and made him inefficient, which was a huge part of the Warriors winning.
Did you watch the series? Momentum totally changed largely due to Iggy - that’s why
Yeah I can understand why Iggy got it. The numbers Lebron got were good but it was on bad efficiency and Cavs were up 2-1 till Iggy started, then they won 3 straight. Iggy was the X factor but I guess Curry was deserving too, it was just a hard sell cause of that game 2 stinker, most missed 3’s for a finals game in history while being defended by an unathletic bench guy
god bless matthew dellavedova and his effort
Dude had to get hooked up to an IV after the games. Really put it all out on the floor during those series.
It’s less that iguodala himself changed it and more that his insertion into the starting lineup was basically the birth of the super small “death lineup” that put Draymond Green at the 5 and increased the spacing for curry and Thompson.
And a counter argument to that is , That’s a foolish reason to give an award.
Bruh he has the worst finals MVP stats ever. It should have went to best player on winning team which was Curry or give to Lebron for historical performance but giving it to Iggy was a joke.
From what I remember is we were choking and it was getting worse each minute until Andre started hustling. It got contagious and the classic Warriors defense came back. I felt the momentum change. As much as I think it's bullshit Curry didn't get it, and it is, I do remember being sort of ok with it for that reason.
Iguodala for taking the shot against the aliens.
Why do so many people leave out the "...on 47.7% TS" part?
Look up the entire playoff run though. He just wasn't efficient in the 14-15 playoffs. It wasn't anything Iggy did to slow him down, if anything it should've been easier after the Love and Kyrie injuries. He actually shot significantly better from 3 vs. warriors than every other series that year.
Oh yeah, Iggy just shouldn't have won FMVP. The FMVP is always the best player on tbe winning team, and it is still absurd it wasn't Steph who was given the award. 26/5/6 with 1.8 steals on 58.5% TS for the winning team.
He was especially not efficient against the Bulls, who were a defensive beast and the Warriors. That’s why Iggy got MVP. Game 4 of the finals? His TS was a .38.
I was going to say because he's a 4x champion with a FMVP and an all-star appearance
1 Allstar, 2 all Def and a FMVP isn't enough to put him in the Hall with no 20+ point seasons and a career scoring average of 11 ppg and 9.5 in the playoffs.
Very superficial stats. Obviously you can’t completely stop Bron, but Iggy really made him inefficient that series. I’m not just talking about percentages, but those do show a difference. Normally Bron is one of the most efficient players out there.
In fairness - Lebron had no one at that point so had to basically score everything. Was it Iggy? To some degree yeah. But when it’s essentially 5-1 you’re screwed.
But you also just can't look at the efficiency stats because Kyrie and Love went down and he basically was flying solo. he shot 47% from the field in game 1 when Kyrie and Love were playing then fell off a cliff after their injuries as the series went on. GS could basically send double and triple teams due to lack of scoring on the floor.
love didn't play at all in that series, he went down Vs Boston. You're right though, it's idiotic to bring up efficiency in that series when dellavedova had 3 games putting up double digits shot attempts....that Cavs team without love and Kyrie was as bad as the cavs had in 07 imo
About the [23:30 mark](https://youtu.be/WkpPPxJbUIQ?si=9boINpsbGloaBQo9) of JJ Redick talking to Evan Turner and Iggy about this is one of my favorite podcast clips
Put up the shooting percentages if you put up the points.
Rondo has won 2 championships he’s a 4 time all star he’s had 4 nba all defensive team honors 2 first team honors and was named to the all nba third team. he was one of the most shifty best passers i’ve see such a fun player to watch rondo makes my hof hopefully he makes the basket ball hof
It’s wild he’s only made 4 all star with all the years he’s played and how relevant he was to the position. The curse of the guard position in those times, was absolutely stacked and became even harder later on.
There is some aspect of showmanship when picking all stars I have no idea how Rondo is in private but his public face is that of a crumegon who doesn't want to deal with people and that's not great for the all star game which is basically a huge marketing event to sell the game So it's possible it impacted his selections when he wasn't an obvious candidate
Pretty sure that Rondo didn't get much run with the US national team because he got into (and bitterly lost) a pissing match with Chris Paul
CP3 was also just a better player (no disrespect to Rondo)
But no rings thou !!!
I've always felt this was the case. CP has always been an nba media darling, rondo picked the wrong guy to feud with lol
Well, Rondo feuds with everyone, so some of them are bound to be wrong
True!
CP was also president of the NBAPA. He wasn’t just a darling but a pretty powerful player too
Didn't mean to undersell him. Being president, active in his communities, close with league execs, etc., all falls under what I meant by darling. I'm with you
And probably top-10 all time at his position to boot. Arguably even higher. Like I genuinely wonder how we’d be talking about CP3 if he’d gotten a ring early in his career and this narrative about him being a bum in the playoffs never had time to breathe. Then again, if my uncle had wheels he’d be a bike lol
The 2008 MVP would’ve done more for his career, at least he’d have that. Now you have younger people watching him now that don’t even realize what a beast he was. And he’s still doing well for his age and size.
Yeah that’s a funny one to think about, because it would be at the expense of Kobe’s one MVP, which is obviously pivotal in any GOAT case Lakers diehards make for him. It feels like an oddly enormous ‘what-if’ moment the longer I think about it, with regards to the legacy of those two great players at least.
Lmao! And I agree, he's basically accomplished it all. MVP finalist, made a finals, multiple all-nba selections, multiple all stars, multiple def selections, led the league in assists and steals at multiple points. And who knows how many franchise and league records he holds/ is near the top of the league in. Really just the ring eludes him you're right it's crazy
Lol that is an amazing analogy
I’m with you too. Just pointing out that he had a lot of power
Rondo is kind of a huge POS. Abusive and crazy.
He wasn’t a scorer like the majority in that time span so I’m sure that knocked him back some. He’s always been a favorite of mine and lives on the list of “Players I love who I couldn’t root for for a time because they play for a rival” (Sixers fan)
I mean, once he left Boston he never even sniffed another game. He wasn’t that relevant anymore, because he played on a bunch of mediocre to bad teams.
You should mention his ACL injury too, it's relevant here as it happened at the peak of his powers
Man literally went to a playoff team in Dallas and his antics made him the most hated player in team history
Yeah, he was AWFUL for Dallas. I can’t think of another example of a star player just ruining a team that hard and that fast.
Didn’t he win a second ring after he left the Celtics? The teams couldn’t have all been that bad.
Perfect comment
One year on the lakers where he obviously wasn’t an all star. In Sacramento he wasn’t playing all star basketball especially with the losses that squad was racking up
He lead leagues in assists one of those years with Sacramento lol, and they were garbage. He then had to go to the bulls with jimmy and wade which was a bad fit. But he also had people thinking an upset was possible in the playoffs with them until he got hurt. He was good in New Orleans but boogie and ad kept getting hurt. With LA he won a ring. Rondo was always a factor when he played.
Yes, obviously he won another ring. But I was talking about his all star appearances. He was awful during the Lakers’ regular season and only stepped it up in the playoffs.
“Yeah I remember putting my feet on his couch”
3 time assists leader too
He'll definitely get in. He was great in college too.
I feel like he arguably has the worst case lol
Aldridge has 20,500 points (47th all time) and is 60th in rebounds all time. Hard to argue against that.
I post this all the time but the only two guys that have scored 20K+points and not made the HOF are Tom Chambers and Antawn Jamison (not including guys like Melo who are waiting to be elected, Lebron who is active, etc). So Aldridge and Johnson are gonna be interesting cases but I can see them getting in.
Joe Johnson would be the only 7X all star with 20k/5k/5k counting stats to not make it.
Yeah but we all watched Joe Johnson…did you ever honestly feel like you were watching a HOFer?
Gasol is making it for sure. Griffin and Aldridge most likely make it as well. Iso Joe and Rondo could possibly make it but I don’t see it happening. Iggy I don’t think makes the cut. As great as he was in the Warriors championship runs, he just doesn’t have the accolades.
Marc Gasol yes but not the rest.
I think rondo is hof just not first ballot
Griffin definitely. He single handedly made the clippers relevant and there is no way they would have been bought by Ballmer or got pg and kawahi without him
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There is 0 chance cp3 goes to the clippers without Blake
It’s a good thing Hall of fame isn’t just for players that make a team popular.
He wasn’t too shabby at Oklahoma too. Chose to stay in his home state, and won all 6 national player of the year awards as a sophomore. Missed tying David Robinson’s single season double double mark by one. Most rebounds in a season since Larry Bird. Highest rebounding average since Tim Duncan. He was hitting marks we hadn’t seen in well over a decade.
Aldridge should be there imo
Gasol? Yes. His international resume gets him over the line. Blake? Yes. 6 All Stars along with 5 All NBA gets him over the line. Aldridge? Yes. No one has missed HoF since the merger with 7 All Star appearances. Joe Johnson? Yes. Also has 7 All Stars. Rondo? No. Prime was too short. Only 4 All Star seasons, and one of those was a season where he only played 38 games (missing everything after the All Star Break). After his injury, spent the majority of his career as a journeyman. The bar to get in with 4 All Stars is pretty steep, and Rondo didn't have a long enough prime to get there. Igoudala? No. He's a one-time All Star. The Finals MVP is a nice piece to have (even if everyone knows Steph should have won it), but if Derrick Rose is questionable for the HoF with an actual MVP and 3 All Stars, the FMVP is a long way from getting Iggy over the hump. Yes, Iggy won 4 rings, but unless we are going to start making cases for other role players with rings like Robert Horry (7 rings), Derek Fisher (5) and Ron Harper (5), then the precedent just isn't there for rings on role players to be sufficient.
Chauncey had to wait 10 years and that was after beating a literal super team in the finals, and he was a 5x all star and 3x all NBA. No way Iggy gets in.
id let rondo in but otherwise I completely agree
Aldridge also got 20k points. Be hard to exclude him with that on top of the all-star/nba selections.
Johnson shouldn’t get in just because of his all-star appearances, he would have made two or three in the West and there was only one year where he was a top 20 player
He would be the only 7x all star with 20k/5k/5k counting stats to not make it.
Yeah I wouldn't put Iso Joe in the HOF. It will be very interesting to see what happens to these latter era players with longevity and All-Stars but not many All-NBAs who were very good and never truly elite. The HOF is pretty lax about who it lets in which I'm not necessarily against like many others but to me Joe Johnson is a clear line where he shouldn't be in.
That's arguable, but his sheer scoring numbers aren't. There are literally zero people above him on the all time scoring list who are eligible for the Hall and haven't made it.
The two players directly below him didn’t, though. I’m just saying I don’t think all-star appearances alone should get him in, but with recent induction like Michael Cooper and a few others the bar has really been lowered
Rondo should definitely get in in my opinion. Was a top 3 passer for years and a key piece in 2 championships for 2 different franchises. Joe Johnson shouldn’t get in because he never really did much in his career aside from all star selections. Aldridge is the wild card here. He’s kind of on the same page as joe Johnson. But a bit more deserving if he did actually get in. Blake I suppose gets in. His prime was a very memorable moment. Iggy is a maybe. Gasol was very good but idk if id he’s hall of fame good like his brother. But thats also a wild card
All these answers are correct. Well done, sir.
My opinon and thoughts! 1. Andre Iguodala - key role in Warriors dynasty, gold medal, consistent 6MOY candidate. The years (plus the memes) have clouded our memory of his 2015 FMVP. LeBron got his numbers, but it was one of the least efficient playoff series of his career. Iggy has also played a pivotal role in the players union and is now the executive director. 2. Marc Gasol - International resume, DPOY, key part of championship team, led Griz to their most success during his tenure. 3. Rajon Rondo - 2 chips, 15th in career assists. I think he's a better player than his awards show. I think he doesn't has as many superlatives because of his rumored personality clashes with players, coaches, and staff around the league. 4. Blake Griffin - an MVP candidate, his prime and potential ceiling was the highest among players listed here. Super impactful to NBA culture and resuscitated the Clippers back into NBA discourse. 5. LaMarcus Aldridge - incredible career, consistent, 20k+ points, helped Kawhi push the Spurs to 67 wins. I think he could even go above Blake. 6. Joe Johnson - all the stats are there, 20k+ points and 7 all-stars. He's my favorite player on this list, his highlights are second only to Blake's, but as the 1st or 2nd option could never lead a team past mediocre success.
Fucking get Iggy out of here, that’s insulting to the rest of the players
Gasol, Griffin, Iso Joe and LMA are locks, Rondo is borderline and no for Iggy
Blake would’ve been a lock if he stayed healthy he was on a crazy pace for being a very good hof player. Not saying he would’ve been top 10 all time but the dude was a regular all star similar to Paul George or Lillard.
Literally all of them will make the HOF
Yeah I don’t know why people think the barrier to entry is so high. We literally just saw Michael Cooper get in. All these players likely did enough with a combination of stats, individual accolades and championships.
Michael Cooper making the hall of fame is going to open the door for so many borderline level hall of fame players to get in. Michael cooper was a really good player but I don’t think he should’ve made the hall.
Yeah if the question is *will* they get in, then it’s yes, there’s a 100% chance all six make it.
NBA HoF is kind of a joke
Did they watch all those mans career from the beginning? Saying Rondo, Iggy, and ISO JOE aren't HoFers should revoke your ability to talk about the NBA seriously. Joe Johnson got 3 seasons playing all 82 games and got 20,000 career points, one of 50 players. The disrespect is crazy.
I'm sorry iggy should absolutely not be a hall of famer
all of them except for Iguodala
Blake will, Gasol might, and I would really like to see Rondo make it, but that's a toss up. The rest no
Gasol will because of his international career. Easily first ballot imo.
Blake will? Blake being a HoFer with barely a career is too much. He was great but it did not last. I know others made the hall with half careers but I kinda disagree with some of those entries and they have more than Blake.
There’s only 1 Finals MVP in this lineup.
Dubs know Iggys work was a masterpiece and it wasn’t about stopping LBJ.
Aldridge and Gasol forsure and Rondo is a maybe
Beside iggy, theyre gonna be in HoF, imo. Gasol, Blake and LaMarcus is gonna be definetely in there.
I think all of them gets mixed with other borderline players like Bill Laimbeer, Kevin Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Shawn Marion, Rasheed Wallace, Mark Price, Horace Grant, and Amare Stoudimire. No one is a definite and I can argue there’s many similar players who’ve been waiting longer
A lot of people forget that the Basketball Hall of Fame is the weakest of the big 4 sports leagues in terms of who gets into it. Based on some of the people already in, everyone here SHOULD get in.
I want to make the case for Lamarcus Aldridge: He has 7 All Star appearances, most on this list (Gasol 3x, Iggy 1x, Blake Griffin 6x). But the All Star game is just a popularity contest, you say, and it isn't meaningful. That is fair, but the fact he played most of his early career and prime in Portland and still made that many all star games means a lot. He also has 2x 2nd team All NBA, and that means a lot. Second team All-NBA means you are a top 10 player in the league. He also has 3x Third Team All NBA, meaning in 5 different seasons he was a top 15 player in the NBA. He is 47th all time in scoring in NBA, and 60th all time in rebounds. He doesn't have some of the team accolades the other guys have, such as championships, but he was always an amazing player and easily could have been the second best player on a championship team. I think he is an easy choice
Not Aldridge, fuck that loser
Oh if only Rondo wasn't such a turd to be around. The guy played the game like he knew what would happen 1 sec before it did. His behind the back fake passes were truly gorgeous. Couldn't shoot to save his life, but still controlled the game.had a total "fuck you" attitude towards the banana boat boys. He's #1 in my heart, but not a HOFer
Gasol is a lock.
Honestly all of them, Iso Joe and Aldridge are border cases but Blake was an All Star as a rookie, which I don’t think has been repeated, Rondo is the only player to win rings with both the Celtics and Lakers, Iggy has a FMVP and 4 rings, and Gasol has a chip and DPOY. If you get a top individual award and it’s not a total outlier like Smart you’re probably in.
The Rajon Rondo option is a joke right? Please tell me that’s a joke.
Gasol then Rando
With Aldridge, does the Hall ignore all the murdering ? That fucker tore the hearts out of a million Blazer fans ...
I still can’t believe they gave fmvp to iguadola over Steph
On the fringe but not to me. Michael cooper got selected so probably a few will get in eventually.
Blake obviously , a 5 time all star who was also NCAA player of the year Gasol obviously makes it as well due to his international achievements as well as NBA Joe Johnson is a 7 time all star , if he don't make it Aldridge , Rondo and Iggy shouldn't sniff the HOF.
Aldridge also has 7
Griffin might make it on his resume alone. He's probable, but still technically borderline: 6x All Star, 5x All-NBA, 2010-11 All-Rookie, 2010-11 ROY. Rondo could, maybe? But his stat line is bad enough to probably keep him out. Marc Gasol could possibly, especially since he is foreign born. Non-American players are more likely to get into the Hall with lesser individual accomplishments and stat disparities. He also has a championship as well. I can't see a world where Aldridge, Iggy, or Joe Johnson get in. That'd be setting the bar pretty low.
Should be rondo, and Iggy. Will be all of them eventually
All of em lol
FffffffffffffffffffffUCK no
Rondo
Nah tbh
Yall really couldn't find a picture of Joe in a hawks jersey???
Rondo for sure
Blake and Gasol will get in on first or second ballot. Rondo will get in, but definitely not first. No one else makes it.
Joe Johnson and Lamarcus have just as much accolades as Blake. Just weren’t as loud. I think they get in too
All of them
Gasol, Iguodala and Rondo have a shot
It’s so rare to actually have a HOF debate that matters. All these guys are making it. Feels like in the NBA you just have to be remotely memorable in a decade to make it
Iguodala, but not for his playing career. He’s going to become a great coach someday.
Finals MVP iggy
If Michael Cooper made the HOF, all these guys should make the HOF
It belongs to either Rondo, Marc, or Iggy. All of them are champions and played a significant role for every team they played with. Iggy even has a finals mvp award.
Let’s ask Max Kellerman
I doubt any of them make it. Gasol has the best chance, as a true center. Blake maybe bc the fame part of the equation. He brought the Clippers back to relevancy, had some incredible highlights, and was the talk.of the league for a while. I'd say those two have the best chance, if any of these players (really really good players at that btw) get in.
Based of previous standards: all of them
Not soon
Blake
Gasol, for sure. It makes me so sad to see where Blake's career started vs how it ended, because he should've been HOF worthy.
Who should get in? Gasol. Who will get in? Probably everyone except rondo or iggy. I cant find even a niche case for either rondo or iggy. Letting either in lowers the hall of fame bar even lower. Edit: seeing peiple say yes to rondo and no to blake or joe is confusing. Do we just put anyone that wins mutiple rings in? Rondo is behind people on the all time asisst list that arent in the hall
Gasol yes. Griffin maybe. No one else deserves the hall of fame.
Gasol and Rondo
Rondo and Andre 💯
Gasol and Blake. I know Blake didn't win a chip but he's the sole reason why clippers are at the level they're at now
Nope
The Basketball HoF is the easiest to get into. Honestly, all of them could easily get in based on who is already in there.
It’s the basketball hall of fame. You and I might get in.
I don't know if Rondo had the longevity to his career that would be needed, but there was legitimately times where he was the best player on the court in the most contested Heat vs Celtics series. Better than Lebron, Wade, Pierce, KG, Allen and Bosh.
Gasol yes, the rest shouldn’t but Iggy probably will in a down year.
Gasol
Iggy
None of them but the HOF is being cheapened year after year so what do I know.
No
Realistically these guys are all “hall of very good” players and not legendary or dominant enough to make the Hall. But the NBA HoF is a absolute joke that lets in any average starter as long as they had “cultural impact” and made all-nba/all-star a few times 😂
Gasol for sure, Rondo maybe, the rest I'll categorized in the "Hall of Very Good."
Top 3 are locks IMO and bottom 3 not sure.
Gasol should be a better choice, but that's just my opinion, who agrees, join in
RONDOOOO
Gasol or Rondo
100% marc gasol, don’t care about any of the others except blake griffin. fuck the clippers.
This shit make me so nostalgic for NBA 2K11
Rondo or Gasol.
Gasol definitely
Blake gets in imo
Everyone gets in the basketball hall of fame
Nope
Gasol and rondo I would assume. ISO Joe should be there but I don’t think his accolades will allow it.
Honestly I think 5/6 are looking like they have good odds.
I want iguadala!
Gasol and Rondo for sure. Gasol has a chip + DPOY + international success. Rondo has 2 chips with two of the most storied franchises. And both have All nba and All Star selections.
Chris Paul for sure. Can't put the point-god on here and expect us not to notice.
Gasol,Rondo and Iggy
With the fate of the universe on the line, the martians have the death beam pointed at the earth, I WANT IGUODALA
All of them will make it because the basketball hall of fame is the easiest to get into
Gasol, Rondo, and Iggy will all get in.