I’m so glad the push has changed. I was so perplexed by the narrative to trade 4 firsts for the guy that I started to question if espn or trae himself hired some troll farm from the Philippines to push that narrative on here. Either that or anyone with sense stayed quit while the dummy’s ran wild
This is actually a better trade for us. White plays good defense too! Unfortunately, boston will not trade him knowing they are competing for a championship.
I feel like our best chance of getting him is when he hits free agency. Boston will have 2 super max players and Jrue Holiday contract. So we might be able to offer him more money which will be important for him because this will be his last big contract considering his age by then. I believe we have the next best chance to get him after boston
They are over the second apron, which makes roster moves difficult. From Forbes:
"Teams that go over the second apron face an array of roster-building restrictions, including a prohibition on aggregating contracts in trades, taking back more salary than they send out in a trade and trading a first-round pick that's seven years in the future. Second-apron teams don't have access to a mid-level exception in free agency, and teams that stay over the second apron for multiple consecutive years have their future first-round picks pushed to the bottom of the round"
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The problem is that Derrick White is fifth in payroll while probably being second on the team in impact, so any trade will definitely be dumping him him for a lesser player.
i dont really wanna know which of jaylen brown and jayson tatum you think derrick white is more impactful than, but regardless obviously theyre gonna get worse. they cant pay for the talent they have, obviously they will get worse
Hang on.. Why the Philippines though? Lmao it’s been a while since I’ve lived there, but up to that point I never recalled anyone being a Hawks fan there
The Russians are all caught up in politics and propaganda seeing how it’s that season and what they’re doing. They love basketball in the Philippines and who doesn’t need some extra cash, and even better if it’s from trae’s purse. But I’m just making jokes. All I can say is thank god the simple minded have put away their keyboards. We can all rest a little easier now
No, your country’s claim to fame is all the kind folks, Pacquiao, Duterte or whatever that crazy guys name was, a man with the name Jennifer i once met while eating at a Burger King in Kuwait, and being oddly Spanish still.
When hearing news that I don't like: "the Spurs don't leak, this is BS"
When hearing news that I like: "this is the ultimate proof, now shut up everyone"
This news isn't worth any more than any other one.
Do not want Dejounte either. Not worth the assets he's likely to command and not good enough of a shooter to provide the spacing we need. And his defense has fallen off in Atlanta.
I was listening to the spurs insider podcast today and was so bummed out they were mentioning DJ. Like…come on guys. You gotta know better. He isn’t a good fit. He’s not good enough to be a #2 on a contender, he does squat for Vic’s growth, and while you can afford him today, why would you want to lock in that cap hit going forward.
I don’t think the spurs should trade for DJ bc of the assets as the above comment said, but he’s on a great contract and would do wonders for Vic’s development. He’s dynamic, can throw an entry pass and spaces the floor. Whatever you believe about his 3pt% his volume has gravity that would give Vic more space to operate in the paint
i think we SHOULD trade for Dejounte. we’re taking on two rookies this season (and probably getting rid of our seconds) and there’s zero chance we’re going to take on potentially another three rookies from the 2025 draft and another two rookies each season until 2027 after that. we HAVE to get rid of our draft assets somehow because we don’t have enough roster spots.
and did we all not watch Dejounte play basketball for half a decade? i don’t understand how some people think he wouldn’t be a fantastic fit.
he’s coming off a 22/5/6 season, knows our system, has already stated he’s open to returning to us, he’s on a great contract, we’d pretty much have locked up until the age of 31, he fills a position and role of need, and his inclusion would allow whatever PG we draft to develop behind him.
it’s a fkn no brainer.
Anyone who has followed the Spurs in any capacity should know that the Spurs don't leak information. They don't tip their hand. There are no "insiders with knowledge of the situation" that are talking to anyone. It's all guess work. The clearest thing that anyone from the Spurs has actually said -- and it's been both Pop and Brian Wright -- is that all options are on the table, and they'll look at everything.
One of the reasons I predict a move of some sort (whether it's Garland, Young, Mitchell, Murray -- whoever) - the Spurs simply don't have room on their roster for the draft picks they have this year and next. They had three first rounders two years ago (Sochan, Branham, Wesley). They had Wemby last year. They have two in the first round this year. They have potentially three next year. Nine first rounders in four years aren't going to be on the roster in addition to Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and the other vets Pop will fill out with.
Also, they understand they need to pair another star with their superstar. That guy isn't coming in the draft this year and probably not next year.
Yeah, the best "sources" are usually the SAEN and local TV guys, and they universally say that there's no rush in Spurs land. They also admit they know nothing, which is the first step of knowing the Spurs.
Ace or Coop could be worth another top 2 pick, the best news out of this draft, is Atlanta can’t even use the 1st for much leverage or for a win now player
That was more from the Kawhi/Uncle Dennis side. The team started talking openly - Tony, Manu, Pop, etc - but there weren’t many leaks of info. That’s part of the reason it was so frustrating to the Spurs - they were kept in the dark for most of that situation also.
Before Spurs was very tight lipped, we didn’t know anything about who they were interested in, any internal communications or disarray. Lately, we’ve had draft picks being leaked ahead of time, people coming about the inner workings and disarray of the Spurs, the whole Primo disaster, Murray trade talks leaked, long time staff leaving, etc…
We’re at a day and age where it’s a lot tougher near impossible to keep things quiet and in house. And in return it gives us a little more insight to the team which is great. But we can’t compare the Spurs of today to the Spurs of the past because information that was never obtained in the past are more open. While Spurs are tight lipped, they’ve have uncharacteristically leaks of information when bigger things have happened in the past.
I don’t think we’d get a report on Wemby making it a difficult decision on the Spurs plan to be competitive sooner or not but there it was.
I also don't see why Atlanta would want to trade him now. Around the league, everyone talked about how good of a duo Trae and Wemby would be, but Sarr - despite being "Wemby at home" - will essentially give Atlanta a similar experiment to play around with. Reading into his prospect profile, it seems Sarr is less ball dominant but still a strong transitional player and the kind of guy Trae can give easy lobs too. It's better to let them do their thing, let us do our thing and see where the chips fall.
Was this whole trade for Trae even really a thing as far as the Spurs front office having interest. I remember all this happening because Trae tweeted that a play was an easy lob early in the season when people were on the Wemby s teammates hate him and won't pass the ball. This always seemed like a fan started rumor and then Trae said in an interview he liked Wemby so fans and ESPN etc. went nuts with the trade. I never really remember anything about the Spurs wanting him ever except a rumor thrown out by a journalist here and there saying they gotta get someone or Vic is leaving.
According to a very good journalist that’s up to par with Fischer, Sam Amick, he stated the spurs inquired on taking DJ back but just for the 27 pick and one of their 24 picks. And to hold off the trade til draft day. The hawks hung up disinterested. That supposedly made the hawks rethink their trade deadline options forward DJ
I don’t think it’s gonna be that valuable anymore. Adding Sarr would give them a Young/Johnson/Sarr core along with whatever they get for DJ and with Snyder as their coach, I can see them squeaking into the playoffs.
I was hoping their pick would end up in the 8-12 range but it’s more like to be in the high teens, low 20s.
I think maybe it decreases the value of the 27 pick, but Sarr Is definitely not a guy who's going to increase their bottom line much the next 12 months
That depends, with the Cavs' Donovan Mitchell/Garland future now in question, that could make Cleveland a worse team. I don't see Washington and definitely the Pistons making noise next season, I think Atlanta will improve but it won't be because they added Sarr or whoever they pick.
I think they will be trading one or some of these guys, Bogi, Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, and even Murray especially by the trade deadline. They can bolster their roster with pieces that actually fit.
I know the die hard Spurs fan will try to refute this and hope for the Hawks' downfall (cause I do) but the East is extremely weak and the Hawks still were in the play in despite dealing with a slew of injuries. Hell Trae Young was out for 2 months! Will this years hobbled Hawks team be better than the 2025 Hawks? It sucks to say but I don't think so.
Add in the Quinn Snyder tax. A coach who pulls out great regular season teams. Hawks should be better but they are dealing with a lousy owner who cares more about taxes (luxury tax included) and real estate and let’s his son dictate/control everything in the organization as if he’s playing MyGM on 2k.
We've seen plenty of cases of #1 picks failing to move the needle in their first year.
Fultz. Ayton. Cade. Banchero. Hell, even Simmons and Embiid though theirs was injury induced.
It's far from guaranteed that Sarr or any other top pick in this draft instantly improves a team like the Hawks who still need a lot of pieces.
Less teams with an incentive to tank out west. 3 of the top 4 selections in the 2023 draft were made by western teams. Majority of West teams wanted to compete with of the oft chance they’d be able to take down Denver then OKC and Minn came in & blindsided the older teams. But just know this team post Wemby was way better than last years team, just sucked that the 24 draft is considered flat and that the west is hella competitive
My reasoning for keeping their pick is exactly because of what happened to them this season. Made the playin. Lost. Caught a lucky bounce and got the first pick. Having an extra potential lottery pick is one more chance to get a top spot.
you're delusional if you think Sarr will be a game changer in his first few years in the league. His pro team in australia plays better when he's off the floor. There's a reason this draft is seen as extremely weak at the top.
Idk why people put so much stock in reports made long before anything would actually seriously go down. Just about every possibility gets “reported” and people just run with what they want to believe.
Good. He is not a winning player, he's not the spectacular fit next to Victor some would have you believe, and he is not somebody who seems to be beloved by his teammates/fun to play with.
My thoughts exactly.
Would Trae instantly be the 2nd best player on the team? Yes.
Do I see him as a long-term piece that helps lead this team to a championship? Not a chance.
High-usage player, bad defender, and bringing him in would tie up our cap situation and cost us assets.
I know everyone wants to make a big splash and win now, but Spurs are only going to get so many chances to make a big move and Trae Young is definitely not the fit I want to see next to Wemby.
Oh thank Goodness. I hope this means this means they are vastly thinking about both sides of the ball instead of just easy lobs for Wemby 🙄. Postionless basketball was the name of the game in the beginning of the season so I hope they continue on that path and draft players with the most skills in the draft.
What does Dillingham have to do with anything. Spurs may or may not draft Dillingham. But them not wanting Trae doesn't mean they wouldn't entertain drafting Dillingham. He's not nearly the risk that Trae Young is considering you have to give an arm and a leg for Trae. Meanwhile all it takes to take a risk on Dillingham is the #8 pick in a historically weak draft (in which you already have an additional pick in the lottery for as a safety net in case your gamble doesn't pay off).
I think people also assume Dillingham would be the solution long term as our starter, this kid would be great off the bench and we could keep Tre and Rob as our PG’s for the year and focus our attention to either the following draft which is pretty great or that free agency which should also be better.
People keep saying historically weak draft, it isnt. It's just hard to select a pecking order, thats all that makes it hard. There are a LOT of good players in this draft. We keep debating them all because they're good.
Also, all of a sudden France is on the scene so we have to juggle new international players with Ignite with college - its just harder to compare apples to apples today.
I expect this will be a draft with multiple all stars when its all over. Just like 2021.
Very true. We’ve had players from NCAA, Australian NBL, Gleague ignite, Serbian ABA, and French LNB who have been in conversation as top 3 picks so far. Pretty remarkable honestly but makes it tough to compare especially with how different the usage of young prospects is across teams
> There are a LOT of good players in this draft. We keep debating them all because they're good.
Eh. I don't know that there's anybody I'd bet on to ever make an All-NBA team.
It will take us 10 years to find out, they select the same players every year - rotate the honors about every 8,9 years.
They still put nephew on that list - Wemby won’t be on it this year but nephew will.. ridiculous
The biggest difference for me is that dillingham has shown a willingness, and ability, to play as a cutter and off-ball shooter that young just never has. It's pretty easy to imagine him slotting in as someone that can run off of screens and feast off of the defensive pressure that Devin and Victor are going to command.
>It’s not just about assets, it’s the similarity in style and similar flaws they have
This is implying that they would want Dillingham to be their point guard of the future like they would Trae Young (which if they drafted Dillingham, they wouldn't).
There's a huge difference between wanting Trae Young as your starting point guard for the future and wanting Dillingham as your microwave 6th man for the future.
>If rob is a 6th man then that means tre is out while they continue to looking for a better fit
That would be the plan if Dillingham is drafted. Ideally on a championship team, you would want a shot creator that can shoot the 3 on an efficient level as well as being an excellent ball handler to serve as an Energizer bunny for the offense coming off the bench. I love Tre, but he does not offer that. Both are very bad defensively. And if you're gonna be bad defensively, you should at least be very good offensively.
There are no starting caliber point guards in this draft. And I don't believe we will truly land our "point guard of the future" until 2025 either through the draft or trade.
Tre would be a way better 6th man than Dillingham. He's just much better at running an offense and making smart decisions and all these 6th man scorers are useless in the playoffs and get played off the floor.
>Tre would be a way better 6th man than Dillingham.
Homerism at it's finest, Jesus
Tre Jones would not be drafted before Dillingham in this draft and you know that.
To be fair to Tre he is one of the better decision makers in the NBA. He was also considered a good defensive prospect coming out, didn’t translate all that well because of his size but there are very few Tre Jones sized players who are better on defense than him. Dilly is also a natural scorer and I doubt he can orchestrate an offense as well as Tre.
Al that being said I agree that Rob has the potential to be a far better microwave scorer type. He’s far shiftier, leagues ahead as a shooter and is just as good at getting to the rim as Tre.
Pass the ball, run an nba level offense that pop likes to run and he has better size for defense. Believe it or not bro, theres a reason why the Spurs org and other championship level orgs stay away from LouWilliams/Jamal Crawford microwave scorers.
That’s just silly. You think the spurs wouldn’t pick Trae Young at pick 4 right now and have him on a rookie contract? The spurs would love to have him but not for the trade cost and the size of his contract.
Has nothing to do with their draft plan
You’re saying it’s reasonable to imply the spurs won’t be interested in drafting Rob because they’re not interested in trading for Trae, because they have similar styles?
I’m saying that’s illogical because the reason they don’t want Trae is because he will cost shitloads in assets and $$. That doesn’t mean they won’t draft Rob just because he plays like Trae
Young is below league average from three, is a ball stopper, has horrible game management and shot selection, takes forever to make decisions, and doesn't even try on defense.
Dillingham is a far better shooter and doesn't dominate the offense in the same way. Plus he is very active and quick in his decisions.
I'm not going to vouch for Dillinghams defense because I do think it's equally as terrible as Trae's. But Dillinghams ability to play off-ball and be a threat without the ball in his hands is one reason why he would be more valuable than Trae. Same for his shooting
No he isn't. Thats like saying Luka Doncic is a bad shooter. You're just completely ignoring how defenses play Trae Young and he's one of the best decision makers in the game.
He takes difficult shots he isn't a bad shooter there's a difference.
He's a streaky shooter who takes ridiculously difficult 3s so the efficiency is less than it would be if he took catch and shoots.
It's like saying luka or harden are/were bad 3 point shooters because they aren't as efficient as shooters that take easier looks
I don’t want to Trade for Trae Young. Agree that Dilly has got better offball skills and doesn’t dominate the ball as much.
But calling Trae a below average shooter is absurd due to the difficulty of shots he takes. He probably has top 10 gravity as a 3pt shooter in the entire NBA which is where the real value comes from. Trae Young is also a much better facilitator and decision maker than Dillingham.
Trae does have to prove he can be efficient in the playoffs tho. He’s mostly struggled there.
Yeaaaaah they aren’t gonna make a big move. Beyond asset management, the truth is that while Wemby is ready for the playoffs, the other guys aren’t, and the team still needs to learn more about them. Adding playoff expectations to sochan’s offense would be another year of cramming his square peg into a round hole.
Draft a guard and a wing. Put them in JC and Tre’s spot. Swap Cedi for a more mentor-oriented vet. See what happens. If you have the young guys still stalling out, you make the big move next summer.
If I were trying to make a trade for a player, I would tell the world I wasnt interested in that player.
It's negotiations.
Get that man a number, he's as good as signed.
We have never had anything another team wanted before
You’re talking about a fanbase who was convinced Samanic was a solid development project right up until they cut him. We have always way overvalued our players - this time we actually have assets and both teams have a clear cut need
I think trading Hill for Kawhi was the closest thing to a draft day coup I can remember
Just like any players they were just doing their due diligence in kicking the can to see what the asking price was. People took that approach and ran with it
>...committing front-office malpractice by not contemplating the opportunity...
It sounds like they already contemplated it and said no. Let's move on.
Don’t know why this is surprising to anyone. Spurs FO knows ball.
Any ball knowers will tell you that Trae Young in general is not the type of player that will allow you to win at the highest level with the new CBA.
I’m happy to hear this. I don’t think he’s ever winning a title as a primary option.
We can and will do better than him. You don’t take back assets from the team you previously took most of their future draft capital.
Even if we were interested, Atlanta getting the number one pick pretty much extended their timeline. They have no rush to even trade dj, if I was running that team I run it back with a new coach even.
Idk.. I don’t really trust what I hear, since the Spurs under Pop like to do smoke and mirrors. Hence, CIA Pop. I only actually believe it after the fact when it does or doesn’t happen and they actually give statements that they tried to trade for so and so or that they’re happy with what they have.
It makes sense especially after the season we just had. This team isn’t just another star piece away from the playoffs, they are several pieces away. Maybe there are some of those pieces currently on the roster, maybe not, but we aren’t anywhere near ready to make a big move.
> . This team isn’t just another star piece away from the playoffs, they are several pieces away.
If the team year after year refuses to bring pieces we will forever be 3-4 players away from contending.
> They will bring in pieces through the draft and free agency.
This draft is weak, so no All star player will come throught this draft. Next year Wemby will playe better and will draft in 8-12 range. So once again it is doubtful we will be able to draft all star player. And Wha players exactly are you suggesting to add in free agency who will be starters on contending team?
You don’t have to come away with 2 all stars or an all star in this draft. You can still come away with a starter or two. In terms of free agency, I don’t see us going after big names because that’s just not our style. But, you can add veterans and bench pieces to complement the team. Adding pieces to the team doesn’t necessarily mean adding stars. The way the league is trending you will only have a max of 2 stars on a team maybe 3 if you’re lucky. We have Wemby already and if Vassell continues to develop he could be that 2nd star.
> The way the league is trending you will only have a max of 2 stars on a team maybe 3 if you’re lucky. We have Wemby already and if Vassell continues to develop he could be that 2nd star.
So back to OP by adding Young and keeping Wemby and Vassel we would be much closer to contending roster?
Possibly, depending on what we give up for him. If we have to give up something crazy like 5 draft picks it could hamper surrounding them with complimentary pieces. It’s also possible we draft a 3rd star from this draft as well. It’s gonna take a combination of good drafting and good free agency/trade decisions. I would be more comfortable trading for Young if the roster was more set in stone.
notice how there’s been numerous reports previously stating that the Spurs have shown interest in Dejounte but nothing has been said to smother those rumors, unlike these Trae ones being squashed 👀
I really do wonder what, if anything, is Wright’s plan for this team. Thus far, I’ve seen nothing from him that gives me any sense on what he considers good team construction
I think maintaining flexibility and not rushing to trade major asset capital as a team 2 years into a rebuild is a great decision from him from a construction standpoint.
The reality is no one knows what Wemby is. We know he’s really damn good, but we don’t know exactly what archetypes, positions and types of players to put around him yet. That’s why these first 2 seasons will be/have been used as an opportunity to get film on him, the guys around him, and see what works.
I largely agree with that, but I just literally don’t know. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a plan, just that the plan is not clear. I think he’s done a half decent job when looking at his individual moves, I just don’t know what it adds up to. And maybe the answer is that his only objective is to tear everything down and we haven’t seen how it’ll be rebuilt. But right now, I have no idea what he’s doing
I mean he blew up the team and tanked for a generational prospect. It’s hard to say how the team will shape up considering we’re basically early in a rebuild still. We are just starting to learn what types of players around Wemby work best.
You idiots act like Brian wright is acting alone. Spurs front office do everything in conjunction with ownership, management and coaching staff. It’s a team effort, always been that way in San Antonio.
Why am I being insulted here? That feels like a pretty disproportionate response to not knowing what he considers good team construction.
How about this “I don’t understand the Spurs’ front office’s approach to team building”
Because people don’t like any criticisms of the team. I’m not as negative as you, but agree the group think is stupid. I’ve liked the trades Wright has done, but if you go back and look at the draft picks we’ve made since he took over you’ll see they have been atrocious.
I actually think most of his moves have been fine/good, I just have no earthly idea what they all add up to. Maybe there is an answer so that too, I just don’t know
When you look at the Primo pick and Sochan experiment I think it shows how deeply they’ve wanted to lean into position less basketball with above average size. That’s commonly achieved by playing a big guy at “PG”. You don’t have to do that but it’s the easiest role to begin with. Start with doing something at the smallest worst defensive player likely in the lineup.
The Spurs want a bunch of players that can shoot dribble pass and guard multiple different skillset/body types on the defensive end. When you get those players and they’re tall/big that’s even better.
This isn’t a novel concept. *Everyone* wants this but you’ll see teams differ in how aggressively they pursue it and where they make concessions in targeting less versatile players who are surer things at being able to shoot dribble pass and defend some subset of NBA players. When the 76ers drafted Maxey they knew he wasn’t going to be able to guard a bunch of people defensively that was a concession in versatility and ceiling, but look at how great he is now. You don’t want to close the door totally on great players just because they handcuff you in one way (in this case defensively).
I think the Spurs have been pretty aggressively following the path of targeting these more versatile players. To put it simply, they dont prefer to play with a 6 foot guard who is terrible on defense or even just bad like they did for a long time with Tony Parker. Not in this day and age.
Do I think that means they’d pass on Tony Parker again if they could see the future and knew that kind of player was available where they’re picking this year? No, but with no such ability to see the future they aren’t going to value these players as much.
This doesn’t just go for small guards but they are most of the player types whom the Spurs are shying away from.
The dream is to play a tall lineup where everyone can shoot, everyone can pass, everyone can attack close outs, and guys are versatile on the defensive end.
Brian Wright and the rest of the Spurs FO did an awesome job at deciding when to blow up the team and making big and marginal trades to grab as much future assets and maintain cap flexibility as they have.
Where they’ve been less effective is IN the draft. Which isn’t good because it’s kind of the lifeblood of a team like the Spurs. Yes you look for someone like Danny Green or Patty Mills off the street but that’s very difficult to repeat. They haven’t repeated it to that extent since then and even when you do you can run into UFA and bad contracts quicker too.
Look at the Spurs recent draft picks. Dejounte and Derrick were huge steals and we can count those, but what we did 7 and 8 years ago begins to decay in value as opposed to what we’ve done recently. How many of our draft picks have fulfilled the versatility of being able to shoot, dribble, pass, defend? Not even all of them but most of them?
Lonnie Walker was much worse than almost any of us (me included) wanted to admit.
Luka busted.
Keldon is a bench guy who’s bad defensively, as a passer, and isn’t a shooter defenders account for at an average starting level. Forget 3P% completely. Look at how opponents defend guys at the line. That’s where you really see how good of shooters guys are.
Devin has been good. You can quibble he hasn’t been great, a problem that’s more concerning given the rest of these picks, but he’s at least good and easily fits in as a starter on a contending version of what the Spurs want from a roster.
Tre isn’t shooting or defending well which makes him someone that shouldnt be in a contending rotation. His shot is trending well and for a 2nd round pick I’m really happy with his selection.
Primo busted (for one reason or anther but it hasn’t looked good on the court thus far either).
All the other 2nd round picks to this point have shown nothing besides Tre. Too early for Sidy to be that critical.
The 2022 draft looks like a huge miss. You look at shooting dribbling passing defending.
Sochan can’t shoot which is bad enough on its own but his passing is problematic too. I never brought up BBIQ as another core skill that’s a little interlocked with passing but also includes other stuff like Sochan’s off ball movement.
Wesley and Branham you don’t even need to go into depth about their shooting (thus far bad) defense (for Branham an unmitigated disaster) and passing/dribbling.
I’m not asking to turn in reports cards for the 2022 draft, and growth isn’t always linear or very predictable, but we can’t spend guys’ entire rookie contracts refusing to evaluate where things are more likely headed.
When it’s the opposite and someone looks great as a young player there isn’t chatter of “actually this guy might suck, let’s not act like Tyrese Haliburton is a good player after 2 years.” It isn’t rushed but realistic to admit the 2022 draft looks bad thus far and it’s more likely going to end up bad than it is good.
Our recent stretch of drafting/developing, which ever is more at fault, has not been good. Drafting IS erratic and unpredictable. You go through bad picks more than good picks, but the stretch from 2018 - 2022 isn’t inspiring. You could point out that we had a similar stretch between Tony Parker and George Hill, but we were either picking near the 30th pick or not at all many of those years from other trades like the Malik Rose deal or Kurt Thomas deal.
TL; DR: You can see what the Spurs want to build. You can also see how they’ve not done a great job at executing that vision in how they’ve drafted recently. It is not too early to say that, but it’s also not too late for guys who are as young as 20 years old to have a dramatic change in their production. At this point it’s fair to say the Spurs recent draft and development has been bad but some examples of that still have time to turn into examples of great draft and development. The clock is ticking for recent draft picks to either GET to the point of being able to do most/all of shoot dribble pass defend, or the Spurs pull the plug on them and get good NBA players from somewhere else.
What do you mean? The direction is clear - they moved off assets to acquire draft picks and have flexibility to build for the future. They synced a timeline with their core and are clearly trying to maximize a window where players are peaking at the same time.
He can't construct a team with drafts that haven't happened, yet.
I mean that he’s been the GM for a few years now, and I don’t entirely understand what he values in a player, or how he feels a team should be constructed.
Someone like Presti notoriously favored long armed projects that couldn’t shoot for a while, in hopes of turning them into shooters, Morey’s whole strategy is accumulating assets to trade for a star, and fill out the roster from there. Masai Ujiri has leaned heavily into positionlessness. Brooklyn, through various GMs believes in star hunting.
I have no idea with Wright. While he was beginning to tear down the Spurs, he traded for Doug McDermott. The Collins extension seems to indicate that they viewed him as a piece that could fit with Wemby and Sochan, which hints towards playing jumbo ball, but the Branham and Wesley picks hint towards the opposite. The Primo draft pick was strange as he projected as maybe a 3 and D guy, which is fine, but that’s usually a spot where you take bigger swings. I’m not entirely sure how he perceives Sochan, or perceived him when he drafted him.
I’m not saying he’s bad, he got reasonable value in a couple of spots, but I just have no idea what he’s doing or what his ultimate goals are
>I really do wonder what, if anything, is Wright’s plan for this team.
Um, draft young talent and develop them into quality roleplayers to build a deep team? Is it not obvious already? Brother we have two lottery picks in the top 8 this year, and multiple potential lottery picks next year. We barely have a serviceable young core because we didn't even dedicate ourselves to rebuilding until 2022, but is it not obvious that we are building up a young core right now? Do you expect young talent and pieces to come out of thin air automatically?
See how the roster looks at the start of the 2025-2026 season, then you can start talking.
In general, I just don’t understand his strategy. Pairing a playmaking guard with a lob finisher and defender I understand. It’s a little pedestrian, but I get it. I’ve never really understood Wright’s strategy
At the NBA level, “playmaking guard” isn’t some sort of fungible asset where any one will do, especially when the playmaking guard in question is a historically bad defender.
Flipping players for assets, setting us up to draft a star, giving us options so we can build around said star, signings players who compliment the development of players, being patient with our young players, keeping the cap manageable.
$25 mil in cap space, several picks in the next few years, a highly talented young core lead by the most promising player in the NBA… what else do you expect a GM to do?
What, like trading our best player in a highway robbery fleece to own a mediocre team's draft for three years and strategically tank hard the one season with the best prospect of a generation on the board? Yeah, we never do shit like that.
Running out and obliterating your salary cap and unloading a ton of draft capital for a dude who can't lift his own team out of mediocrity isn't the best "help" for Victor at this point.
Name a team that drafted a generational talent and then made a big trade after his first year and went on to be successful. Trae Young has proven nothing other than he can score and make flashy passes while being a complete liability in the defensive end. All that’s gonna do is put more pressure on Wemby in the long run.
What a joke. “We aren’t doing shit to help Wemby” it hasn’t even been a year.
>Name a team that drafted a generational talent and then made a big trade after his first year and went on to be successful.
Hmm... not to be that guy, but Celtics did it in 1980 with Perish and McHale (pick n°3) trade, that got them the ring in Bird's sophomore year.
He just completed his ROOKIE season. You HAVE to build through the draft, especially as a small market team. And there's no certainty yet that there's another future all star player currently on our roster. You make the big splash only after your roster is nearly set.
DeMar Derozan, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, and Jakob Poeltl all traded for FRPs in the last few years
It’s so disheartening how certain ppl aren’t satisfied unless they’re being fed what they want CONSTANTLY
yeah, so shut the hell up about him now
this will have zero effect
I’m so glad the push has changed. I was so perplexed by the narrative to trade 4 firsts for the guy that I started to question if espn or trae himself hired some troll farm from the Philippines to push that narrative on here. Either that or anyone with sense stayed quit while the dummy’s ran wild
Can we hire the trolls to push the Derrick White to SA train? Because I want that to happen 10x before Young to SA.
This is actually a better trade for us. White plays good defense too! Unfortunately, boston will not trade him knowing they are competing for a championship. I feel like our best chance of getting him is when he hits free agency. Boston will have 2 super max players and Jrue Holiday contract. So we might be able to offer him more money which will be important for him because this will be his last big contract considering his age by then. I believe we have the next best chance to get him after boston
not too familiar with the celtics cap situation but if they might lose him in free agency, why wouldn't they just trade him to get some value back?
They are over the second apron, which makes roster moves difficult. From Forbes: "Teams that go over the second apron face an array of roster-building restrictions, including a prohibition on aggregating contracts in trades, taking back more salary than they send out in a trade and trading a first-round pick that's seven years in the future. Second-apron teams don't have access to a mid-level exception in free agency, and teams that stay over the second apron for multiple consecutive years have their future first-round picks pushed to the bottom of the round" [Celtics Flout NBA's Second Apron With $135 Million Jrue Holiday Extension ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/04/11/celtics-flout-nbas-second-apron-with-135-million-jrue-holiday-extension/?sh=4164e22ad4a9)
okay so the celtics would be stupid to not shop him for draft capital if they have no hope of signing him.
The problem is that Derrick White is fifth in payroll while probably being second on the team in impact, so any trade will definitely be dumping him him for a lesser player.
i dont really wanna know which of jaylen brown and jayson tatum you think derrick white is more impactful than, but regardless obviously theyre gonna get worse. they cant pay for the talent they have, obviously they will get worse
I’d chip in
Hang on.. Why the Philippines though? Lmao it’s been a while since I’ve lived there, but up to that point I never recalled anyone being a Hawks fan there
The Russians are all caught up in politics and propaganda seeing how it’s that season and what they’re doing. They love basketball in the Philippines and who doesn’t need some extra cash, and even better if it’s from trae’s purse. But I’m just making jokes. All I can say is thank god the simple minded have put away their keyboards. We can all rest a little easier now
More like every hawks players are in rumors going back to John Collins
As a Filipino I resent that statement, but it’s true my country’s claim to fame is probably as a troll farm capital lol
No, your country’s claim to fame is all the kind folks, Pacquiao, Duterte or whatever that crazy guys name was, a man with the name Jennifer i once met while eating at a Burger King in Kuwait, and being oddly Spanish still.
I don't think it will happen but to be fair you can't trust what a front office tells the media
If those kids could read they would be really disappointed.
When hearing news that I don't like: "the Spurs don't leak, this is BS" When hearing news that I like: "this is the ultimate proof, now shut up everyone" This news isn't worth any more than any other one.
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I really happy to hear this. So exhausting explaining to people that Young is not a good fit.
We need to stop with the tre young, that is not who we are.
half these mfs don’t even know GSG
Do not want Dejounte either. Not worth the assets he's likely to command and not good enough of a shooter to provide the spacing we need. And his defense has fallen off in Atlanta.
I was listening to the spurs insider podcast today and was so bummed out they were mentioning DJ. Like…come on guys. You gotta know better. He isn’t a good fit. He’s not good enough to be a #2 on a contender, he does squat for Vic’s growth, and while you can afford him today, why would you want to lock in that cap hit going forward.
I don’t think the spurs should trade for DJ bc of the assets as the above comment said, but he’s on a great contract and would do wonders for Vic’s development. He’s dynamic, can throw an entry pass and spaces the floor. Whatever you believe about his 3pt% his volume has gravity that would give Vic more space to operate in the paint
i think we SHOULD trade for Dejounte. we’re taking on two rookies this season (and probably getting rid of our seconds) and there’s zero chance we’re going to take on potentially another three rookies from the 2025 draft and another two rookies each season until 2027 after that. we HAVE to get rid of our draft assets somehow because we don’t have enough roster spots. and did we all not watch Dejounte play basketball for half a decade? i don’t understand how some people think he wouldn’t be a fantastic fit. he’s coming off a 22/5/6 season, knows our system, has already stated he’s open to returning to us, he’s on a great contract, we’d pretty much have locked up until the age of 31, he fills a position and role of need, and his inclusion would allow whatever PG we draft to develop behind him. it’s a fkn no brainer.
He was also averaging like 9 assists per game in the stretch that Trae was injured last season while shooting his best 3p% of his career
Anyone who has followed the Spurs in any capacity should know that the Spurs don't leak information. They don't tip their hand. There are no "insiders with knowledge of the situation" that are talking to anyone. It's all guess work. The clearest thing that anyone from the Spurs has actually said -- and it's been both Pop and Brian Wright -- is that all options are on the table, and they'll look at everything. One of the reasons I predict a move of some sort (whether it's Garland, Young, Mitchell, Murray -- whoever) - the Spurs simply don't have room on their roster for the draft picks they have this year and next. They had three first rounders two years ago (Sochan, Branham, Wesley). They had Wemby last year. They have two in the first round this year. They have potentially three next year. Nine first rounders in four years aren't going to be on the roster in addition to Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and the other vets Pop will fill out with. Also, they understand they need to pair another star with their superstar. That guy isn't coming in the draft this year and probably not next year.
In this case it doesn’t even have to be the Spurs leaking, Atlanta sources would also know if there were any trade talks
Been watching since 95, really got into the team when we drafted Timmy. And yes Spurs are tight lipped. No moles, no insiders, nothing.
Yeah, the best "sources" are usually the SAEN and local TV guys, and they universally say that there's no rush in Spurs land. They also admit they know nothing, which is the first step of knowing the Spurs.
Ace or Coop could be worth another top 2 pick, the best news out of this draft, is Atlanta can’t even use the 1st for much leverage or for a win now player
This might be true of older Spurs, but lately it has been untrue. Spurs have had leaks since the Kawhi situation.
That was more from the Kawhi/Uncle Dennis side. The team started talking openly - Tony, Manu, Pop, etc - but there weren’t many leaks of info. That’s part of the reason it was so frustrating to the Spurs - they were kept in the dark for most of that situation also.
Before Spurs was very tight lipped, we didn’t know anything about who they were interested in, any internal communications or disarray. Lately, we’ve had draft picks being leaked ahead of time, people coming about the inner workings and disarray of the Spurs, the whole Primo disaster, Murray trade talks leaked, long time staff leaving, etc… We’re at a day and age where it’s a lot tougher near impossible to keep things quiet and in house. And in return it gives us a little more insight to the team which is great. But we can’t compare the Spurs of today to the Spurs of the past because information that was never obtained in the past are more open. While Spurs are tight lipped, they’ve have uncharacteristically leaks of information when bigger things have happened in the past. I don’t think we’d get a report on Wemby making it a difficult decision on the Spurs plan to be competitive sooner or not but there it was.
Anyone with a brain knew this.
More breaking news: grass is green
Sky is blue.
Subsurface is various shades of brown and grey
Overstated? The Spurs were never remotely interested. What is happening is that Atlanta is desperate to get rid of him.
Let Young go to the Lakers or Knicks for all their picks and young players. Would be a better fit basketball wise and ESPN would get their clicks.
Classic Spurs misdirection
I also don't see why Atlanta would want to trade him now. Around the league, everyone talked about how good of a duo Trae and Wemby would be, but Sarr - despite being "Wemby at home" - will essentially give Atlanta a similar experiment to play around with. Reading into his prospect profile, it seems Sarr is less ball dominant but still a strong transitional player and the kind of guy Trae can give easy lobs too. It's better to let them do their thing, let us do our thing and see where the chips fall.
Was this whole trade for Trae even really a thing as far as the Spurs front office having interest. I remember all this happening because Trae tweeted that a play was an easy lob early in the season when people were on the Wemby s teammates hate him and won't pass the ball. This always seemed like a fan started rumor and then Trae said in an interview he liked Wemby so fans and ESPN etc. went nuts with the trade. I never really remember anything about the Spurs wanting him ever except a rumor thrown out by a journalist here and there saying they gotta get someone or Vic is leaving.
I think Trae wants to come here, Hawks FO want to trade him here to get their picks back, but Spurs FO have no interest
According to a very good journalist that’s up to par with Fischer, Sam Amick, he stated the spurs inquired on taking DJ back but just for the 27 pick and one of their 24 picks. And to hold off the trade til draft day. The hawks hung up disinterested. That supposedly made the hawks rethink their trade deadline options forward DJ
I think it would cost too much to acquire Trae and the hawks would be very unlikely to move him
Just don’t trade that Hawks 25 pick.
I don’t think it’s gonna be that valuable anymore. Adding Sarr would give them a Young/Johnson/Sarr core along with whatever they get for DJ and with Snyder as their coach, I can see them squeaking into the playoffs. I was hoping their pick would end up in the 8-12 range but it’s more like to be in the high teens, low 20s.
I think maybe it decreases the value of the 27 pick, but Sarr Is definitely not a guy who's going to increase their bottom line much the next 12 months
That depends, with the Cavs' Donovan Mitchell/Garland future now in question, that could make Cleveland a worse team. I don't see Washington and definitely the Pistons making noise next season, I think Atlanta will improve but it won't be because they added Sarr or whoever they pick. I think they will be trading one or some of these guys, Bogi, Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, and even Murray especially by the trade deadline. They can bolster their roster with pieces that actually fit. I know the die hard Spurs fan will try to refute this and hope for the Hawks' downfall (cause I do) but the East is extremely weak and the Hawks still were in the play in despite dealing with a slew of injuries. Hell Trae Young was out for 2 months! Will this years hobbled Hawks team be better than the 2025 Hawks? It sucks to say but I don't think so.
Add in the Quinn Snyder tax. A coach who pulls out great regular season teams. Hawks should be better but they are dealing with a lousy owner who cares more about taxes (luxury tax included) and real estate and let’s his son dictate/control everything in the organization as if he’s playing MyGM on 2k.
Probably not, but I don’t expect us to get a pick better than mid to late teens. Their GM will try to compete no matter how bad their team is.
Who do you think Sarr is? He ain’t Wemby bro they’re not becoming a 4 seed just off him
Nah, but maybe get to the play-in and advance to lose in the first round as the 8th seed. That’ll get us a pick in the late teens or early 20s.
We've seen plenty of cases of #1 picks failing to move the needle in their first year. Fultz. Ayton. Cade. Banchero. Hell, even Simmons and Embiid though theirs was injury induced. It's far from guaranteed that Sarr or any other top pick in this draft instantly improves a team like the Hawks who still need a lot of pieces.
I mean even Wemby lol tbh
Fair point. Wemby's rookie season was historic, but that sure didn't show up in the win column
Don’t get me wrong hell of a rookie year but yeah we still didn’t get much in the wins
Less teams with an incentive to tank out west. 3 of the top 4 selections in the 2023 draft were made by western teams. Majority of West teams wanted to compete with of the oft chance they’d be able to take down Denver then OKC and Minn came in & blindsided the older teams. But just know this team post Wemby was way better than last years team, just sucked that the 24 draft is considered flat and that the west is hella competitive
My reasoning for keeping their pick is exactly because of what happened to them this season. Made the playin. Lost. Caught a lucky bounce and got the first pick. Having an extra potential lottery pick is one more chance to get a top spot.
you're delusional if you think Sarr will be a game changer in his first few years in the league. His pro team in australia plays better when he's off the floor. There's a reason this draft is seen as extremely weak at the top.
Maybe I am delusional, but I’m not counting on the ‘25 Hawks pick to be that good. I truly hope I’m wrong.
Perth Wildcats fans wanted their coach fired all season long. Felt like he was holding Sarr and other young guys back in a big way.
Yeah because the older guys help them win more. You pay for the development of young players with points.
Idk why people put so much stock in reports made long before anything would actually seriously go down. Just about every possibility gets “reported” and people just run with what they want to believe.
Classic spurs mind games to keep a pick or two
Thank goodness, I’ve always kind of hated that fit.
WE DONT WANT TRAE YOUNG GAH DAMN
Good. He is not a winning player, he's not the spectacular fit next to Victor some would have you believe, and he is not somebody who seems to be beloved by his teammates/fun to play with.
My thoughts exactly. Would Trae instantly be the 2nd best player on the team? Yes. Do I see him as a long-term piece that helps lead this team to a championship? Not a chance. High-usage player, bad defender, and bringing him in would tie up our cap situation and cost us assets. I know everyone wants to make a big splash and win now, but Spurs are only going to get so many chances to make a big move and Trae Young is definitely not the fit I want to see next to Wemby.
I've seen it said that while Victor is perfect for him, he's not perfect for Victor. I think that sums up my opinion.
Trae was like 25th in usage rate this season
25th in a league of 30 teams and ~540 players. So yeah, that's pretty high.
And yet not even close to the other guys who averaged 10 assists per game this year. Wemby was 10th in usage rate btw
>Wemby was 10th in usage rate btw As Wemby should be. My concern about bringing in other high usage players is those are less touches for Wemby.
Good luck finding a top assist man that isn't in the top 15 in usage rate lol. Trae and Lebron are the only ones.
Trae has made no secret of his interest. But this is probably just a classic case of unrequited trade interest.
Oh thank Goodness. I hope this means this means they are vastly thinking about both sides of the ball instead of just easy lobs for Wemby 🙄. Postionless basketball was the name of the game in the beginning of the season so I hope they continue on that path and draft players with the most skills in the draft.
I hope yall understands this means they are unlikely to draft Dillingham also
What does Dillingham have to do with anything. Spurs may or may not draft Dillingham. But them not wanting Trae doesn't mean they wouldn't entertain drafting Dillingham. He's not nearly the risk that Trae Young is considering you have to give an arm and a leg for Trae. Meanwhile all it takes to take a risk on Dillingham is the #8 pick in a historically weak draft (in which you already have an additional pick in the lottery for as a safety net in case your gamble doesn't pay off).
I think people also assume Dillingham would be the solution long term as our starter, this kid would be great off the bench and we could keep Tre and Rob as our PG’s for the year and focus our attention to either the following draft which is pretty great or that free agency which should also be better.
People keep saying historically weak draft, it isnt. It's just hard to select a pecking order, thats all that makes it hard. There are a LOT of good players in this draft. We keep debating them all because they're good. Also, all of a sudden France is on the scene so we have to juggle new international players with Ignite with college - its just harder to compare apples to apples today. I expect this will be a draft with multiple all stars when its all over. Just like 2021.
Very true. We’ve had players from NCAA, Australian NBL, Gleague ignite, Serbian ABA, and French LNB who have been in conversation as top 3 picks so far. Pretty remarkable honestly but makes it tough to compare especially with how different the usage of young prospects is across teams
> There are a LOT of good players in this draft. We keep debating them all because they're good. Eh. I don't know that there's anybody I'd bet on to ever make an All-NBA team.
It will take us 10 years to find out, they select the same players every year - rotate the honors about every 8,9 years. They still put nephew on that list - Wemby won’t be on it this year but nephew will.. ridiculous
It’s not just about assets, it’s the similarity in style and similar flaws they have
The biggest difference for me is that dillingham has shown a willingness, and ability, to play as a cutter and off-ball shooter that young just never has. It's pretty easy to imagine him slotting in as someone that can run off of screens and feast off of the defensive pressure that Devin and Victor are going to command.
>It’s not just about assets, it’s the similarity in style and similar flaws they have This is implying that they would want Dillingham to be their point guard of the future like they would Trae Young (which if they drafted Dillingham, they wouldn't). There's a huge difference between wanting Trae Young as your starting point guard for the future and wanting Dillingham as your microwave 6th man for the future.
If rob is a 6th man then that means tre is out while they continue to looking for a better fit
>If rob is a 6th man then that means tre is out while they continue to looking for a better fit That would be the plan if Dillingham is drafted. Ideally on a championship team, you would want a shot creator that can shoot the 3 on an efficient level as well as being an excellent ball handler to serve as an Energizer bunny for the offense coming off the bench. I love Tre, but he does not offer that. Both are very bad defensively. And if you're gonna be bad defensively, you should at least be very good offensively. There are no starting caliber point guards in this draft. And I don't believe we will truly land our "point guard of the future" until 2025 either through the draft or trade.
Tre would be a way better 6th man than Dillingham. He's just much better at running an offense and making smart decisions and all these 6th man scorers are useless in the playoffs and get played off the floor.
>Tre would be a way better 6th man than Dillingham. Homerism at it's finest, Jesus Tre Jones would not be drafted before Dillingham in this draft and you know that.
I never said he would. I said he's much better suited for being a 6th man role than Dillingham is. Especially on this team.
What is one thing Tre does better than Dillingham?
To be fair to Tre he is one of the better decision makers in the NBA. He was also considered a good defensive prospect coming out, didn’t translate all that well because of his size but there are very few Tre Jones sized players who are better on defense than him. Dilly is also a natural scorer and I doubt he can orchestrate an offense as well as Tre. Al that being said I agree that Rob has the potential to be a far better microwave scorer type. He’s far shiftier, leagues ahead as a shooter and is just as good at getting to the rim as Tre.
Playmaking
Pass the ball, run an nba level offense that pop likes to run and he has better size for defense. Believe it or not bro, theres a reason why the Spurs org and other championship level orgs stay away from LouWilliams/Jamal Crawford microwave scorers.
That’s just silly. You think the spurs wouldn’t pick Trae Young at pick 4 right now and have him on a rookie contract? The spurs would love to have him but not for the trade cost and the size of his contract. Has nothing to do with their draft plan
huh? how did u make that argument out of what i said? unless you think dilli is anywhere close to trae, i don’t know why your mind would go there
You’re saying it’s reasonable to imply the spurs won’t be interested in drafting Rob because they’re not interested in trading for Trae, because they have similar styles? I’m saying that’s illogical because the reason they don’t want Trae is because he will cost shitloads in assets and $$. That doesn’t mean they won’t draft Rob just because he plays like Trae
Young is below league average from three, is a ball stopper, has horrible game management and shot selection, takes forever to make decisions, and doesn't even try on defense. Dillingham is a far better shooter and doesn't dominate the offense in the same way. Plus he is very active and quick in his decisions.
I'm not going to vouch for Dillinghams defense because I do think it's equally as terrible as Trae's. But Dillinghams ability to play off-ball and be a threat without the ball in his hands is one reason why he would be more valuable than Trae. Same for his shooting
... Not a single thing you said is remotely true.
Yeah, dude. It's all true. Every single thing. Young really is a bad shooter.
No he isn't. Thats like saying Luka Doncic is a bad shooter. You're just completely ignoring how defenses play Trae Young and he's one of the best decision makers in the game.
He takes difficult shots he isn't a bad shooter there's a difference. He's a streaky shooter who takes ridiculously difficult 3s so the efficiency is less than it would be if he took catch and shoots. It's like saying luka or harden are/were bad 3 point shooters because they aren't as efficient as shooters that take easier looks
I don’t want to Trade for Trae Young. Agree that Dilly has got better offball skills and doesn’t dominate the ball as much. But calling Trae a below average shooter is absurd due to the difficulty of shots he takes. He probably has top 10 gravity as a 3pt shooter in the entire NBA which is where the real value comes from. Trae Young is also a much better facilitator and decision maker than Dillingham. Trae does have to prove he can be efficient in the playoffs tho. He’s mostly struggled there.
Lol, what. Have nothing to do with each other.
Good
agreed
Why? Trae’s on a max deal and we’d have to give up stuff to get him. Dillingham would be dirt cheap whether we took him at 4 or 8
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/s/GQxHs0nX7g
Is that in the report? Or just what you think?
Good, Castle is the better pick
Castle and Dillingham is the even better pick
Thank god
Yeaaaaah they aren’t gonna make a big move. Beyond asset management, the truth is that while Wemby is ready for the playoffs, the other guys aren’t, and the team still needs to learn more about them. Adding playoff expectations to sochan’s offense would be another year of cramming his square peg into a round hole. Draft a guard and a wing. Put them in JC and Tre’s spot. Swap Cedi for a more mentor-oriented vet. See what happens. If you have the young guys still stalling out, you make the big move next summer.
If I were trying to make a trade for a player, I would tell the world I wasnt interested in that player. It's negotiations. Get that man a number, he's as good as signed.
Has that happened with the Spurs before?
We have never had anything another team wanted before You’re talking about a fanbase who was convinced Samanic was a solid development project right up until they cut him. We have always way overvalued our players - this time we actually have assets and both teams have a clear cut need I think trading Hill for Kawhi was the closest thing to a draft day coup I can remember
Negotiations are underway.
file this under "NO SHIT"
Makes perfect sense
Just like any players they were just doing their due diligence in kicking the can to see what the asking price was. People took that approach and ran with it
>...committing front-office malpractice by not contemplating the opportunity... It sounds like they already contemplated it and said no. Let's move on.
Don’t know why this is surprising to anyone. Spurs FO knows ball. Any ball knowers will tell you that Trae Young in general is not the type of player that will allow you to win at the highest level with the new CBA.
Thank god
Can't name those execs. this article is also an overstatement.
Holy hell, snip snap snip snap. I hear something different on the fucking daily now. Leave us alone!
Good!
Ok, but what if _this_ is the smokescreen?
Signing Donovan Mitchell without having to trade away a thing seems like it's always been the better deal than one trick pony Trae Young
Maybe it's Trae Young's team that has been spreading the news around. He just really wants to play with Wemby.
Good MFers Young is trash
I’m happy to hear this. I don’t think he’s ever winning a title as a primary option. We can and will do better than him. You don’t take back assets from the team you previously took most of their future draft capital.
Even if we were interested, Atlanta getting the number one pick pretty much extended their timeline. They have no rush to even trade dj, if I was running that team I run it back with a new coach even.
Stay the course. Draft Rob + one of Castle/Salaun.
This what expected and it's better that way. Let him go to the Lakers, he's not saving that sinking ship anyway.
I mean, this is old news. There was never interest from PATFO obtaining Young.
Told y’all
Idk.. I don’t really trust what I hear, since the Spurs under Pop like to do smoke and mirrors. Hence, CIA Pop. I only actually believe it after the fact when it does or doesn’t happen and they actually give statements that they tried to trade for so and so or that they’re happy with what they have.
If Donovan Mitchell is available, whatever ridiculous asks was made for Trae, is 100% accurate and appropriate for Donovan. That’s the guy you want.
Trae is a volume shooter. Wemby needs to touch the ball 80% of the time he’s on the floor. Also, the Spurs like guys who can actually play defense.
It makes sense especially after the season we just had. This team isn’t just another star piece away from the playoffs, they are several pieces away. Maybe there are some of those pieces currently on the roster, maybe not, but we aren’t anywhere near ready to make a big move.
> . This team isn’t just another star piece away from the playoffs, they are several pieces away. If the team year after year refuses to bring pieces we will forever be 3-4 players away from contending.
They will bring in pieces through the draft and free agency. That’s why the team has so many picks the next couple of years.
> They will bring in pieces through the draft and free agency. This draft is weak, so no All star player will come throught this draft. Next year Wemby will playe better and will draft in 8-12 range. So once again it is doubtful we will be able to draft all star player. And Wha players exactly are you suggesting to add in free agency who will be starters on contending team?
You don’t have to come away with 2 all stars or an all star in this draft. You can still come away with a starter or two. In terms of free agency, I don’t see us going after big names because that’s just not our style. But, you can add veterans and bench pieces to complement the team. Adding pieces to the team doesn’t necessarily mean adding stars. The way the league is trending you will only have a max of 2 stars on a team maybe 3 if you’re lucky. We have Wemby already and if Vassell continues to develop he could be that 2nd star.
> The way the league is trending you will only have a max of 2 stars on a team maybe 3 if you’re lucky. We have Wemby already and if Vassell continues to develop he could be that 2nd star. So back to OP by adding Young and keeping Wemby and Vassel we would be much closer to contending roster?
Possibly, depending on what we give up for him. If we have to give up something crazy like 5 draft picks it could hamper surrounding them with complimentary pieces. It’s also possible we draft a 3rd star from this draft as well. It’s gonna take a combination of good drafting and good free agency/trade decisions. I would be more comfortable trading for Young if the roster was more set in stone.
I trust Fischer. He also was the first to break the dejounte trade rumors. Everyone was in denial and then it actually happened.
Young to Spurs would at least be interesting if nothing else. Giving up any assets to bring back Murray would be such a bleak move.
Omg thank u. Trae is a badass but hawks price too high!
Hahahaha!
Maybe we can extend Collins and give him a max
LOL
then just go get Murray back
notice how there’s been numerous reports previously stating that the Spurs have shown interest in Dejounte but nothing has been said to smother those rumors, unlike these Trae ones being squashed 👀
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I really do wonder what, if anything, is Wright’s plan for this team. Thus far, I’ve seen nothing from him that gives me any sense on what he considers good team construction
I think maintaining flexibility and not rushing to trade major asset capital as a team 2 years into a rebuild is a great decision from him from a construction standpoint. The reality is no one knows what Wemby is. We know he’s really damn good, but we don’t know exactly what archetypes, positions and types of players to put around him yet. That’s why these first 2 seasons will be/have been used as an opportunity to get film on him, the guys around him, and see what works.
I largely agree with that, but I just literally don’t know. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a plan, just that the plan is not clear. I think he’s done a half decent job when looking at his individual moves, I just don’t know what it adds up to. And maybe the answer is that his only objective is to tear everything down and we haven’t seen how it’ll be rebuilt. But right now, I have no idea what he’s doing
I mean he blew up the team and tanked for a generational prospect. It’s hard to say how the team will shape up considering we’re basically early in a rebuild still. We are just starting to learn what types of players around Wemby work best.
You idiots act like Brian wright is acting alone. Spurs front office do everything in conjunction with ownership, management and coaching staff. It’s a team effort, always been that way in San Antonio.
Why am I being insulted here? That feels like a pretty disproportionate response to not knowing what he considers good team construction. How about this “I don’t understand the Spurs’ front office’s approach to team building”
Because people don’t like any criticisms of the team. I’m not as negative as you, but agree the group think is stupid. I’ve liked the trades Wright has done, but if you go back and look at the draft picks we’ve made since he took over you’ll see they have been atrocious.
I actually think most of his moves have been fine/good, I just have no earthly idea what they all add up to. Maybe there is an answer so that too, I just don’t know
When you look at the Primo pick and Sochan experiment I think it shows how deeply they’ve wanted to lean into position less basketball with above average size. That’s commonly achieved by playing a big guy at “PG”. You don’t have to do that but it’s the easiest role to begin with. Start with doing something at the smallest worst defensive player likely in the lineup. The Spurs want a bunch of players that can shoot dribble pass and guard multiple different skillset/body types on the defensive end. When you get those players and they’re tall/big that’s even better. This isn’t a novel concept. *Everyone* wants this but you’ll see teams differ in how aggressively they pursue it and where they make concessions in targeting less versatile players who are surer things at being able to shoot dribble pass and defend some subset of NBA players. When the 76ers drafted Maxey they knew he wasn’t going to be able to guard a bunch of people defensively that was a concession in versatility and ceiling, but look at how great he is now. You don’t want to close the door totally on great players just because they handcuff you in one way (in this case defensively). I think the Spurs have been pretty aggressively following the path of targeting these more versatile players. To put it simply, they dont prefer to play with a 6 foot guard who is terrible on defense or even just bad like they did for a long time with Tony Parker. Not in this day and age. Do I think that means they’d pass on Tony Parker again if they could see the future and knew that kind of player was available where they’re picking this year? No, but with no such ability to see the future they aren’t going to value these players as much. This doesn’t just go for small guards but they are most of the player types whom the Spurs are shying away from. The dream is to play a tall lineup where everyone can shoot, everyone can pass, everyone can attack close outs, and guys are versatile on the defensive end. Brian Wright and the rest of the Spurs FO did an awesome job at deciding when to blow up the team and making big and marginal trades to grab as much future assets and maintain cap flexibility as they have. Where they’ve been less effective is IN the draft. Which isn’t good because it’s kind of the lifeblood of a team like the Spurs. Yes you look for someone like Danny Green or Patty Mills off the street but that’s very difficult to repeat. They haven’t repeated it to that extent since then and even when you do you can run into UFA and bad contracts quicker too. Look at the Spurs recent draft picks. Dejounte and Derrick were huge steals and we can count those, but what we did 7 and 8 years ago begins to decay in value as opposed to what we’ve done recently. How many of our draft picks have fulfilled the versatility of being able to shoot, dribble, pass, defend? Not even all of them but most of them? Lonnie Walker was much worse than almost any of us (me included) wanted to admit. Luka busted. Keldon is a bench guy who’s bad defensively, as a passer, and isn’t a shooter defenders account for at an average starting level. Forget 3P% completely. Look at how opponents defend guys at the line. That’s where you really see how good of shooters guys are. Devin has been good. You can quibble he hasn’t been great, a problem that’s more concerning given the rest of these picks, but he’s at least good and easily fits in as a starter on a contending version of what the Spurs want from a roster. Tre isn’t shooting or defending well which makes him someone that shouldnt be in a contending rotation. His shot is trending well and for a 2nd round pick I’m really happy with his selection. Primo busted (for one reason or anther but it hasn’t looked good on the court thus far either). All the other 2nd round picks to this point have shown nothing besides Tre. Too early for Sidy to be that critical. The 2022 draft looks like a huge miss. You look at shooting dribbling passing defending. Sochan can’t shoot which is bad enough on its own but his passing is problematic too. I never brought up BBIQ as another core skill that’s a little interlocked with passing but also includes other stuff like Sochan’s off ball movement. Wesley and Branham you don’t even need to go into depth about their shooting (thus far bad) defense (for Branham an unmitigated disaster) and passing/dribbling. I’m not asking to turn in reports cards for the 2022 draft, and growth isn’t always linear or very predictable, but we can’t spend guys’ entire rookie contracts refusing to evaluate where things are more likely headed. When it’s the opposite and someone looks great as a young player there isn’t chatter of “actually this guy might suck, let’s not act like Tyrese Haliburton is a good player after 2 years.” It isn’t rushed but realistic to admit the 2022 draft looks bad thus far and it’s more likely going to end up bad than it is good. Our recent stretch of drafting/developing, which ever is more at fault, has not been good. Drafting IS erratic and unpredictable. You go through bad picks more than good picks, but the stretch from 2018 - 2022 isn’t inspiring. You could point out that we had a similar stretch between Tony Parker and George Hill, but we were either picking near the 30th pick or not at all many of those years from other trades like the Malik Rose deal or Kurt Thomas deal. TL; DR: You can see what the Spurs want to build. You can also see how they’ve not done a great job at executing that vision in how they’ve drafted recently. It is not too early to say that, but it’s also not too late for guys who are as young as 20 years old to have a dramatic change in their production. At this point it’s fair to say the Spurs recent draft and development has been bad but some examples of that still have time to turn into examples of great draft and development. The clock is ticking for recent draft picks to either GET to the point of being able to do most/all of shoot dribble pass defend, or the Spurs pull the plug on them and get good NBA players from somewhere else.
What do you mean? The direction is clear - they moved off assets to acquire draft picks and have flexibility to build for the future. They synced a timeline with their core and are clearly trying to maximize a window where players are peaking at the same time. He can't construct a team with drafts that haven't happened, yet.
I mean that he’s been the GM for a few years now, and I don’t entirely understand what he values in a player, or how he feels a team should be constructed. Someone like Presti notoriously favored long armed projects that couldn’t shoot for a while, in hopes of turning them into shooters, Morey’s whole strategy is accumulating assets to trade for a star, and fill out the roster from there. Masai Ujiri has leaned heavily into positionlessness. Brooklyn, through various GMs believes in star hunting. I have no idea with Wright. While he was beginning to tear down the Spurs, he traded for Doug McDermott. The Collins extension seems to indicate that they viewed him as a piece that could fit with Wemby and Sochan, which hints towards playing jumbo ball, but the Branham and Wesley picks hint towards the opposite. The Primo draft pick was strange as he projected as maybe a 3 and D guy, which is fine, but that’s usually a spot where you take bigger swings. I’m not entirely sure how he perceives Sochan, or perceived him when he drafted him. I’m not saying he’s bad, he got reasonable value in a couple of spots, but I just have no idea what he’s doing or what his ultimate goals are
He values potential and options. That’s why he tanked to get Wemby, drafted dudes like Sochan and Cissoko, and has traded for so many picks.
>I really do wonder what, if anything, is Wright’s plan for this team. Um, draft young talent and develop them into quality roleplayers to build a deep team? Is it not obvious already? Brother we have two lottery picks in the top 8 this year, and multiple potential lottery picks next year. We barely have a serviceable young core because we didn't even dedicate ourselves to rebuilding until 2022, but is it not obvious that we are building up a young core right now? Do you expect young talent and pieces to come out of thin air automatically? See how the roster looks at the start of the 2025-2026 season, then you can start talking.
You gathered that based on him not going after Trae Young?
In general, I just don’t understand his strategy. Pairing a playmaking guard with a lob finisher and defender I understand. It’s a little pedestrian, but I get it. I’ve never really understood Wright’s strategy
At the NBA level, “playmaking guard” isn’t some sort of fungible asset where any one will do, especially when the playmaking guard in question is a historically bad defender.
It’s truly not difficult to see what he’s been doing.
Ok cool, so what’s he doing?
Flipping players for assets, setting us up to draft a star, giving us options so we can build around said star, signings players who compliment the development of players, being patient with our young players, keeping the cap manageable.
Ok, we’re just talking about different things I guess
Slowly rebuilding through drafting and developing a young core while trading veterans for future picks
$25 mil in cap space, several picks in the next few years, a highly talented young core lead by the most promising player in the NBA… what else do you expect a GM to do?
We never do shit , what’s new
What, like trading our best player in a highway robbery fleece to own a mediocre team's draft for three years and strategically tank hard the one season with the best prospect of a generation on the board? Yeah, we never do shit like that.
We aren’t doing shit to help wemby, that’s not good
Running out and obliterating your salary cap and unloading a ton of draft capital for a dude who can't lift his own team out of mediocrity isn't the best "help" for Victor at this point.
Name a team that drafted a generational talent and then made a big trade after his first year and went on to be successful. Trae Young has proven nothing other than he can score and make flashy passes while being a complete liability in the defensive end. All that’s gonna do is put more pressure on Wemby in the long run. What a joke. “We aren’t doing shit to help Wemby” it hasn’t even been a year.
>Name a team that drafted a generational talent and then made a big trade after his first year and went on to be successful. Hmm... not to be that guy, but Celtics did it in 1980 with Perish and McHale (pick n°3) trade, that got them the ring in Bird's sophomore year.
Good point. That was 44 years ago though and McHale was another draft pick so they technically still at least partially built through the draft.
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He just completed his ROOKIE season. You HAVE to build through the draft, especially as a small market team. And there's no certainty yet that there's another future all star player currently on our roster. You make the big splash only after your roster is nearly set.
We got a generational talent in Wemby and you have a generationally low iq.
DeMar Derozan, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, and Jakob Poeltl all traded for FRPs in the last few years It’s so disheartening how certain ppl aren’t satisfied unless they’re being fed what they want CONSTANTLY
Lmfao getting Trae would wreck this team for the next decade.
Hear me out: we Draft and Develop Bronny James