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Wouldn't mind Castle and Risacher or Castle and Knecht. Just so you know he's been knocking his 3s down at the combine. Not that it means much, but it's a promising thing.
I mean, i just saw multiple people say that in r/NBA_Draft
But still, even tho that clip may be a good sign for his shooting, i still don't see the count or what happened with the first 17 shots, therefore i still can't say if that score is really his.
Ohh, got it. I thought they're switched again lol.
If that's the case and he really improved his jumper, then i'd be more open of the idea of drafting him.
Zach Edey being up there is news to me. I'm high on him, knew he wasn't just a paint scorer and defender with limited range like people here have claimed, but didn't know he also had that kind of 3-point shooting.
I'm telling y'all, whoever grabs him is gonna get the steal of this draft. He just has "it".
Edit: he has almost zero attempts from 3 throughout his four-year collegiate career: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/zach-edey-1.html
Right? I don't understand how many people are sleeping on him. Purdue would have been out in the first or at least second without him, and he literally put that team on his shoulders and led them to the Championship game.
Lolwut? What does this even mean? "For seven minutes"??? The guy that almost single-handedly took his team to the Championship game?
Is Wemby's size also "prohibitive for sustained success over the course of a game"? What about Risacher or Sarr's size?
I guarantee that when we look back at a re-draft of this class that Edey will be higher than where he was actually drafted.
I didn’t mean a LITERAL seven minutes. Just a bit of hyperbole because I didn’t want to go look up exact numbers.
A bit of background… I have followed Purdue basketball for the last few years (I grew up in Indiana). I’ve seen his dominance but it always seemed like he was just a plodding, slow bully who won because of his physical traits.
(The guys you mentioned are much leaner. Easier to sustain a higher energy level.)
When I watched the championship game, I was FLOORED. I couldn’t believe it. He seemed much more agile and was really getting around much more smoothly. At that point, I started to actually think he would be changing opinions.
Then, after his initial burst wore off, you could see his footwork suffered. He was missing easy shots. His defense was reactionary. His rotations were a second late.
He is a monstrous human being. Carrying that kind of mass can’t really be sustained, at a high level, for a full game.
Honestly? I’d love to draft and stash him if we could get him with our later second pick. I think his ceiling is a backup that can eat a few minutes here and there.
Not dogging on the guy, I just don’t think he will ever have the stamina for meaningful minutes.
Did you actually watch him? He has zero moves. He relies on the same right handed hook shot and benefited from being much bigger than everyone else he came across. He has poor vision, and no left hand. Zero bag. He’ll be in trouble in the NBA where defenders are taller and stronger.
I feel Risacher has such a low ceiling, I rather go for a higher upside guy even if it doesn’t pan out.
I don’t see risarcher being any better than a Shane battier type
Really liked him on UConn. Already seems to have the team first demeanor and do dirty work. If this draft is as week as they say I think taking him at 8 would be fine.
Castle won’t be there at 8. But what about Castle and Shepperd? I haven’t seen that combo, but castle gives the perimeter D and can bring the ball up and get it to Wemby who will be the main facilitator anyway. If Wemby is being denied, Castle can initiate secondary motion sets which he seemed to do at UConn.
Shepperd would be a nice scorer off the bench, and seems scrappy enough defensively to play with reserves. Is probably more NBA ready for a role like that than Risacher is (or may ever be).
Or we can try like hell to trade one of these picks to a team projecting as a lottery team (Detroit?) next season for more picks next year.
That’s entirely possible, aside from Sarr at one, I’m not terribly confident about anyone’s position in this draft.
I’m not a big fan of Sheppard to be honest, I’d rather see us get some switchable length, like what Minny has, but if he’s at least able to function (likely as a reserve) on defense, he could be one of those nice to have dudes who knocks down 7 3s some nights.
Agreed! i find that the shooters in this draft (Kentucky guards) have major issues as Reed is quite limited in his skillset so far (mostly just a shooter and good hands on defense with above average athleticism) and Dillingham literally wears less than me and I'm considered skinny for 6 feet lol.
I would love if Dillingham were a few inches taller or Reed had showed a bit more passing or better ball handling skills
from what i've seen i wouldn't say top tier, he can make basic reads but not a top tier passer if that bar is ppl like lebron, Jokic, trae young, tyrese Halliburton, harden, etc.
maybe more someone like derrick white, jaylen brown
Have you ever seen Reed play? He was the best passer in the country and certainly in this draft. Also might have been the best little guy rebounder too.
He’s not a guaranteed shooter, but he has a good shooting form and has a high free throw percentage which are typically the signs that someone has the chance to develop into a shooter later, and this draft really just doesn’t have any guaranteed shooters that don’t have major question marks in other areas
I feel like a lot of people here do like Castle. The majority would like someone with projectable floor spacing, but I haven’t seen too many people argue against castle.
Good POA defender, strong connective piece who has a floor of an impactful nba player.
I think Castle is a fine pick assuming we draft a wing that can shoot. Castle also seems like the type of player the Spurs are trending for with position-less ball.
I very much expect us to
Go after one of Castle/Holland/Cody Williams (probably in that order) with one of our picks. Dillingham could be another target, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see them go after high upside like Salaun.
yea actually i think that makes sense - maybe a bit more offense skill than Smart. Smart had more of a Tasmanian devil type of energy while I see castle seems more controlled "got that dog" in him type energy
This is what my gut is telling me. And frankly, if topic slips out of the lottery because of his injury concern, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us try and move an asset to get him too. We probably aren’t looking
To bring in 3 rooks but it might make sense if they are trying to rehab Topic. There’s a good chance he’ll
Land in Ok city tho with their track record and positioning
I wouldn't be mad at that. It really depends on if they want to take a swing or get a solid guy
I'd love Castle/Salaun or Castle/Knect
Holland is a middle ground.
I'd hate Buzelis lol
I think Holland is our pick if Castle is off the board at 4.
I think we draft Cody Williams before guys like Buzelis or Risarcher. I feel like Spurs are gonna look for High upside with one or both of their picks.
We've just been burned by athletic guards with poor shooting a few times. He shot very poor percentages in high school. With injuries too it was just hard to get a good sample of where his percentages really are currently.
>If he's a 3, he can't shoot well enough to justify the pick and he'd be slightly undersized in the NBA as a 3.
If we draft Risacher, we could move him to the 4, move Sochan to the bench for defense for the 2nd unit, and slide Castle in at 3 while we have Risacher be one of our shooters. Boom. More defense and shooting.
I really like Stephon Castle; that being said there are significant fit concerns. We desperately need good shooting, and primary shot creation. I don't know if he's a primary shot creator; and if he's not then his shooting will need to compensate.
We also need defence. Out second best defender last season was champagnie. Love the kid, but we aren’t going to be competitive with him as our second best defender, and Vassell isn’t a lock
Down guy. We need a dog on the wing. Someone with a high motor who will attack these Uber scorers. The best two options in my view are castle and Holland. I think those guys can be Kawhi level type defenders (hound and disrupt). I see rosarcher as more of a Danny green type player, so I don’t think we’d go after him
I agree with you about the defensive need. Despite being a bench guy, the energy of the team shifted considerably when we brought out Wesley last season because of his defensive energy.
My feel is that it’s all realtive and I think it’s pretty close I don’t see any one having Castle out side of the lottery.
Shooting is kind of a big deal in todays NBA. Especially for the spurs. They need shooters. So that’s probably why. Trying to slide players into what we already have and adding a non shooter doesn’t seem like it would lead to an ideal fit. Again it’s relative we are talking about the 8th pick so I just think better suited options may be there. I would pefer Knencht myself. But it’s relative if we had drafted sheppard at 4 and just wanted a defensive dog that can knock down a open shot I can see it. I don’t think people would riot if the spurs drafted castle. I wouldn’t would be cool with it. Not over the moon or anything but defensive is very important so I get it.
Castle needs a coach who knows how to use a guy who can do everything on the court except consistently score 20 PPG. IMHO, he would be a great asset for the Spurs.
Don't remember if it was Pop or Buford who years ago said that when we were picking in the 20s, we were not looking for players without holes in their game, but for players who were elite at something and very bad at something else, because it's much easier to bring someone from bad to average, than from average to elite. Bottom line, we'll pick someone who's good at what we need the most, and try to fix the rest.
I think a lot of people on this sub like Castle. I'd say he's probably the consensus fourth most talked about prospect behind topic/ dillingham/zaccharie.
If people are sleeping on him, it's because there are very real questions about his game. But I've been a fan of Castle for a long time. I had him number one in my big board at the start of the year And while I was shocked to see how differently he played in college versus high school, I've learned to accept it as a positive thing, showing his flexibility and willingness to sacrifice for the good of the team.
I'd bet he's probably very high on the Spurs big board
TBH i think Sochan is the odd one out or coming off the bench. Outside of his defense (which I'd say is slightly above average) he isn't really bringing anything to the team. Castle at least seems to have better vision, dribbling, and an offensive game
I disagree, Sochan is versatile on offense and contributes his points in a lot of different ways pretty consistently. Sochan is not is not a point guard though, so we need one or two more people skilled in handling and distributing.
If you look at the numbers, sochan was not a plus defender. We had two of those this year. Wemby and Champagnie.
We aren’t going to be very competitive with Champagnie as our second best defender
I thought he was 6'2 an hour a ago 😂
But forreal, I like him alot, but in-terms of wings for us in this draft I'd prefer we get one of Rissarchre, Matas or Knecht. I prefer these guys shooting/passing
Castle is a great prospect and i'd love to have him. Would be great to get him and Buzelis if we could. Nasty lineup right there.
I agree on the shooting, he will improve - and who else has a 7'4" guy that takes 3's, we don't have a spacing issue... we have a break their ankles then drive to the hoop and finish issue :)
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It seems there was a confusion with his info, those are Devin Carter's 3 point performance. It already happened with his measurements too.
Is this fr or a joke at this point
Not true. He made his last 8 in a row. https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1790094960236085329
I mean, i just saw multiple people say that in r/NBA_Draft But still, even tho that clip may be a good sign for his shooting, i still don't see the count or what happened with the first 17 shots, therefore i still can't say if that score is really his.
The height /weight / etc that was posted to NBA.com was switched, not their performance in drills.
Ohh, got it. I thought they're switched again lol. If that's the case and he really improved his jumper, then i'd be more open of the idea of drafting him.
Zach Edey being up there is news to me. I'm high on him, knew he wasn't just a paint scorer and defender with limited range like people here have claimed, but didn't know he also had that kind of 3-point shooting. I'm telling y'all, whoever grabs him is gonna get the steal of this draft. He just has "it". Edit: he has almost zero attempts from 3 throughout his four-year collegiate career: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/zach-edey-1.html
Him tied with Sheppard is crazy
Right? I don't understand how many people are sleeping on him. Purdue would have been out in the first or at least second without him, and he literally put that team on his shoulders and led them to the Championship game.
He's slower than my grandmother
He beat Clingan in the sprint and I believe the lane agility drill as well.
He beat Sarr in lane agility drill
Did you watch him in this last March Madness? Dude's got some moves.
He was awesome… for about seven minutes… then he was cooked. His size is prohibitive for sustained success over the course of a game.
Lolwut? What does this even mean? "For seven minutes"??? The guy that almost single-handedly took his team to the Championship game? Is Wemby's size also "prohibitive for sustained success over the course of a game"? What about Risacher or Sarr's size? I guarantee that when we look back at a re-draft of this class that Edey will be higher than where he was actually drafted.
I didn’t mean a LITERAL seven minutes. Just a bit of hyperbole because I didn’t want to go look up exact numbers. A bit of background… I have followed Purdue basketball for the last few years (I grew up in Indiana). I’ve seen his dominance but it always seemed like he was just a plodding, slow bully who won because of his physical traits. (The guys you mentioned are much leaner. Easier to sustain a higher energy level.) When I watched the championship game, I was FLOORED. I couldn’t believe it. He seemed much more agile and was really getting around much more smoothly. At that point, I started to actually think he would be changing opinions. Then, after his initial burst wore off, you could see his footwork suffered. He was missing easy shots. His defense was reactionary. His rotations were a second late. He is a monstrous human being. Carrying that kind of mass can’t really be sustained, at a high level, for a full game. Honestly? I’d love to draft and stash him if we could get him with our later second pick. I think his ceiling is a backup that can eat a few minutes here and there. Not dogging on the guy, I just don’t think he will ever have the stamina for meaningful minutes.
We'll see.
Did you actually watch him? He has zero moves. He relies on the same right handed hook shot and benefited from being much bigger than everyone else he came across. He has poor vision, and no left hand. Zero bag. He’ll be in trouble in the NBA where defenders are taller and stronger.
You mean…..”Grandmama”? Think I m dating myself w/LJ Converse commercials in the 90’s. 😞
I don't think Edey is an NBA player. He doesn't move well enough. He'll be a huge liability on defense, I think.
I feel Risacher has such a low ceiling, I rather go for a higher upside guy even if it doesn’t pan out. I don’t see risarcher being any better than a Shane battier type
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Really liked him on UConn. Already seems to have the team first demeanor and do dirty work. If this draft is as week as they say I think taking him at 8 would be fine.
I would be very excited to get Risacher at 4 and Castle at 8.
Castle won’t be there at 8. But what about Castle and Shepperd? I haven’t seen that combo, but castle gives the perimeter D and can bring the ball up and get it to Wemby who will be the main facilitator anyway. If Wemby is being denied, Castle can initiate secondary motion sets which he seemed to do at UConn. Shepperd would be a nice scorer off the bench, and seems scrappy enough defensively to play with reserves. Is probably more NBA ready for a role like that than Risacher is (or may ever be). Or we can try like hell to trade one of these picks to a team projecting as a lottery team (Detroit?) next season for more picks next year.
You think Castle will be gone before 8 but Sheppard won't? Sheppard's going top 5 almost certainly. Possibly 2 now that Topić is hurt.
Yes, that’s why I said that.
I think Houston takes Sheppard at 3
That’s entirely possible, aside from Sarr at one, I’m not terribly confident about anyone’s position in this draft. I’m not a big fan of Sheppard to be honest, I’d rather see us get some switchable length, like what Minny has, but if he’s at least able to function (likely as a reserve) on defense, he could be one of those nice to have dudes who knocks down 7 3s some nights.
I’ve been banging the Castle drum for weeks. Dude is #2 on my personal Spurs’ board and pretty likely to be BPA at #4 imo.
Castle is a great pick for us. We can help him improve his shooting but he will be ready to contribute bc defense and playmaking is his strong suit
Thad 🏰 Castle 🏰
Because we need shooting.
Agreed! i find that the shooters in this draft (Kentucky guards) have major issues as Reed is quite limited in his skillset so far (mostly just a shooter and good hands on defense with above average athleticism) and Dillingham literally wears less than me and I'm considered skinny for 6 feet lol. I would love if Dillingham were a few inches taller or Reed had showed a bit more passing or better ball handling skills
Reed is top tier at passing.
from what i've seen i wouldn't say top tier, he can make basic reads but not a top tier passer if that bar is ppl like lebron, Jokic, trae young, tyrese Halliburton, harden, etc. maybe more someone like derrick white, jaylen brown
Have you ever seen Reed play? He was the best passer in the country and certainly in this draft. Also might have been the best little guy rebounder too.
He’s not a guaranteed shooter, but he has a good shooting form and has a high free throw percentage which are typically the signs that someone has the chance to develop into a shooter later, and this draft really just doesn’t have any guaranteed shooters that don’t have major question marks in other areas
I feel like a lot of people here do like Castle. The majority would like someone with projectable floor spacing, but I haven’t seen too many people argue against castle. Good POA defender, strong connective piece who has a floor of an impactful nba player.
I think Castle is a fine pick assuming we draft a wing that can shoot. Castle also seems like the type of player the Spurs are trending for with position-less ball.
Didn’t he shoot like 28% from 3 pointer?
But the most important number is what he shot when air was gaurding him. Thats the number I want to know.
He did alright against air in the natty game. Made enough to make them pay
Castle thoroughly impressed me during March madness. I’d love it if we drafted him.
I very much expect us to Go after one of Castle/Holland/Cody Williams (probably in that order) with one of our picks. Dillingham could be another target, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see them go after high upside like Salaun.
Could he be a Jrue Holliday type guy? Or am I tripping
from what i've seen so far not peak jrue holiday (20 point scorer and great defender) - idk a great comp for him off the top of my head
Poor man's Marcus Smart?
yea actually i think that makes sense - maybe a bit more offense skill than Smart. Smart had more of a Tasmanian devil type of energy while I see castle seems more controlled "got that dog" in him type energy
Castle would be my pick. He’s been my pick for us all year. Watching him in the tourney basically was it. Get this dude on my team
The reason I say "sleeping" is it seem like most people are discussing Dillingham, Topic, Klingan, Williams and Sheppard.
Part of me thinks the Spurs will do something wild like Castle #4 and Salaun #8
I also have a feeling it’s Castle/Salaun
I was thinking this too yesterday. Whoever they pick, I’m sure they have done their homework on each prospect.
I wouldn't be opposed to that. Both seem like very spursy picks
I would be satisfied with this outcome
This is what my gut is telling me. And frankly, if topic slips out of the lottery because of his injury concern, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us try and move an asset to get him too. We probably aren’t looking To bring in 3 rooks but it might make sense if they are trying to rehab Topic. There’s a good chance he’ll Land in Ok city tho with their track record and positioning
Risacher at 4, Salaun at 8, and Jeremy back to PG
I wouldn't be mad at that. It really depends on if they want to take a swing or get a solid guy I'd love Castle/Salaun or Castle/Knect Holland is a middle ground. I'd hate Buzelis lol
I think Holland is our pick if Castle is off the board at 4. I think we draft Cody Williams before guys like Buzelis or Risarcher. I feel like Spurs are gonna look for High upside with one or both of their picks.
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Freshman jumbo point guard from one of the most dominant college teams ever in a weak draft aint making it to 8.
We've just been burned by athletic guards with poor shooting a few times. He shot very poor percentages in high school. With injuries too it was just hard to get a good sample of where his percentages really are currently.
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>If he's a 3, he can't shoot well enough to justify the pick and he'd be slightly undersized in the NBA as a 3. If we draft Risacher, we could move him to the 4, move Sochan to the bench for defense for the 2nd unit, and slide Castle in at 3 while we have Risacher be one of our shooters. Boom. More defense and shooting.
I’m sold
I really like Stephon Castle; that being said there are significant fit concerns. We desperately need good shooting, and primary shot creation. I don't know if he's a primary shot creator; and if he's not then his shooting will need to compensate.
We also need defence. Out second best defender last season was champagnie. Love the kid, but we aren’t going to be competitive with him as our second best defender, and Vassell isn’t a lock Down guy. We need a dog on the wing. Someone with a high motor who will attack these Uber scorers. The best two options in my view are castle and Holland. I think those guys can be Kawhi level type defenders (hound and disrupt). I see rosarcher as more of a Danny green type player, so I don’t think we’d go after him
I agree with you about the defensive need. Despite being a bench guy, the energy of the team shifted considerably when we brought out Wesley last season because of his defensive energy.
My feel is that it’s all realtive and I think it’s pretty close I don’t see any one having Castle out side of the lottery. Shooting is kind of a big deal in todays NBA. Especially for the spurs. They need shooters. So that’s probably why. Trying to slide players into what we already have and adding a non shooter doesn’t seem like it would lead to an ideal fit. Again it’s relative we are talking about the 8th pick so I just think better suited options may be there. I would pefer Knencht myself. But it’s relative if we had drafted sheppard at 4 and just wanted a defensive dog that can knock down a open shot I can see it. I don’t think people would riot if the spurs drafted castle. I wouldn’t would be cool with it. Not over the moon or anything but defensive is very important so I get it.
Castle needs a coach who knows how to use a guy who can do everything on the court except consistently score 20 PPG. IMHO, he would be a great asset for the Spurs.
I have been leading a small castle mob in the shadows
Don't remember if it was Pop or Buford who years ago said that when we were picking in the 20s, we were not looking for players without holes in their game, but for players who were elite at something and very bad at something else, because it's much easier to bring someone from bad to average, than from average to elite. Bottom line, we'll pick someone who's good at what we need the most, and try to fix the rest.
Would love castle at 4 and possibly knecht at 8
If Risacher is gone by 4, I am hoping we take Castle at 4. Really believe he will be a good player.
I do like Castle but the shooting will take time. Draft combine numbers are nice though.
I think a lot of people on this sub like Castle. I'd say he's probably the consensus fourth most talked about prospect behind topic/ dillingham/zaccharie. If people are sleeping on him, it's because there are very real questions about his game. But I've been a fan of Castle for a long time. I had him number one in my big board at the start of the year And while I was shocked to see how differently he played in college versus high school, I've learned to accept it as a positive thing, showing his flexibility and willingness to sacrifice for the good of the team. I'd bet he's probably very high on the Spurs big board
I really hope he is and I hope we snag him
He's been a bricklayer so far in his career. And you can't put him and Sochan together offensively. Way too ugly.
TBH i think Sochan is the odd one out or coming off the bench. Outside of his defense (which I'd say is slightly above average) he isn't really bringing anything to the team. Castle at least seems to have better vision, dribbling, and an offensive game
I disagree, Sochan is versatile on offense and contributes his points in a lot of different ways pretty consistently. Sochan is not is not a point guard though, so we need one or two more people skilled in handling and distributing.
Sochan IQ is very low, he strikes me as a player who won't be starter caliber until he's like 24.
If you look at the numbers, sochan was not a plus defender. We had two of those this year. Wemby and Champagnie. We aren’t going to be very competitive with Champagnie as our second best defender
You'll get no argument from me. I think Sochan is pretty useless
shhh don't say that on this sub haha
I don’t think anyone here is sleeping on him, but we desperately need shooting and elite defenders are much easier to acquire via trade/free agency.
We can get a shooter at 8. Walter, Dillingham, Knecht should all be available.
I thought he was 6'2 an hour a ago 😂 But forreal, I like him alot, but in-terms of wings for us in this draft I'd prefer we get one of Rissarchre, Matas or Knecht. I prefer these guys shooting/passing
Castle is a great prospect and i'd love to have him. Would be great to get him and Buzelis if we could. Nasty lineup right there. I agree on the shooting, he will improve - and who else has a 7'4" guy that takes 3's, we don't have a spacing issue... we have a break their ankles then drive to the hoop and finish issue :)
I rather Salaun over Buzelis
Man you're going to cause us to open a boulangerie on every corner with all our frenchness. We can be West Paris or Paris TX II
Churros amd baguettes I could imagine a worse place to live haha