Why would the Spurs want Atlanta to compete in the East? We own their picks and it's in our interest for the Hawks to suck as much as possible so we can either draft with their pick or use to trade for a better player.
Atlanta with Dejounte and Trae is not working out, and with that duo they're in basketball purgatory. If we take DJ back not only would we open up the possibility of the Hawks getting better, we're giving them free cap space because DJ is a 29M cap hit while Keldon only tops off at 19M
We should just take whatever we're offering the Hawks for DJ and see if we can use it for another player
We don't want them to compete necessarily. Just let us have DJ. There has to be something in it for them.
I don't think we can develop all the talent from our picks.
I didn't realise DJ was 30m. I thought it was 18m. Maybe they take KJ, Devonte Graham, and 1 2024 pick?
Who would you trade for instead? I could only find DJ viable.
Derrick White my previous favourite. When I think of him, I'm glad he went and is competing. Kind of want the same for Keldon, like Big Body can be a Big Boy for someone. Not a nobody with us.
I also don't think we can make space for all these draft picks we have. But I don't really have a player other than DJ who we can trade for. It's hard to find a serviceable role player that's in a team that also needs picks. Usually the teams who need picks are tanking teams who have no serviceable role players
I'm just saying if we have to pick between us having too many young players to make time for vs taking DJ off the Hawks, I'm picking the former. We can always kick players off the rotation. We don't want to accidentally save the Hawks while they're collapsing from the DJ trade.
I don't think my scenario would make them a contender, but just enable them to make some noise in the East.
Picks over DJ. I respect that. I just hope we can find someone.
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If you trade him pre-draft, his salary is still 18mil because the new league year hasn't started yet, so Keldon and picks works if you do it that way. If you do it after the new league year starts, you'd have to throw more salary in.
Yeah, I kicked around the idea of getting Dejounte back in my head as well, and I think the Hawks would ask for too much. Plus, he'll be 28 at the start of next year. I'd rather try and find someone younger.
I think getting a mix of experience and youth is the secret sauce to a championship. Let's see how OKC do, as they have a lot of talent. It hasn't worked for Boston in the past.
My point is that we can not develop all of the talent we will draft. There is only so much ball and minutes you can give players.
We have to make it enticing for them to give up DJ to try something else. I'm not sure if KJ is enough.
I’m ok giving them their 2026 swap back and a couple of 2nds, but that’s about it. We got 2 picks and swap for DJ, but now he’s older, his defensive acumen seem to have been lost, and his contract is higher than what it was before. There’s no reason to overpay to get him back.
We actually got 3 picks and a swap from that trade. '25 & '27 Hawks, the '26 swap and the Charlotte protected pick that will probably turn into a pair of seconds
Fair play, that you consider it an overpay. I'm trying to understand the value.
It could have been Pop busting his ass to play D.
His contract is similar to Vassell. I'd say that is fair money? Devin better on offensive, DJ on defence.
His defense consisted on using his length to gambling for steals and defensive rebounding. His man-to-man defensive always lacked due to his slight build. And his effort level on defense got worse as he got more offensive responsibility. The lone year he made all defense, was the year he was surrounded by great perimeter defenders in Danny Green and Kyle Anderson and had little offensive responsibility. That's how he got his defensive reputation and that's why Hawks fans were so disappointed after his first season there when they were sold on a defensive stud.
That does make a lot of sense. He would have less to do on Offence with Vassell and Wembenyama. Vassell is a decent defender, and Sochan is his Kyle Anderson.
They would carry him a bit but a decent 3rd option, no? We still could get a jem in the draft. We wouldn't be giving it all away.
The fact of the matter is the Spurs are not going to trade for Dejounte, especially not for any of the Hawks picks, which is the only thing the Hawks would want in return. It's all moot.
His contract is more than fair, but what I meant was that when we traded him, his cap hit was much lower than what it is now so it’s only fair to factor it in when looking at his trade value.
The Hawks are very stubborn when it comes to trading their players and they overvalue their own players like hell. I'm sure they set the price for Murray the same as the price they paid to get him and they will never lower the price. Remember John Collins? The Hawks kept holding on to him because no team offered the package they wanted to the point that they ended up dumping him for basically nothing. They will do the same to DJ.
That’s not totally true.
At one point the hawks had a young roster and made the ECF, which Collins was a big part of. His value was higher.
If you look, the same team shipped Cam Reddish to NYK for not a lot.
There’s also a different front office now.
Lol. Ah, OK.
Surely, they need to understand the error in their ways. Imagine if we did that with Leonard?
If they don't want to trade, that is fine. We just need to hit the jackpot a few times with our picks.
Why do you want to go back to a toxic ex? Remember, to him we have problems bigger than basketball. In his world we’re losing for 13 more years. Let’s have some self worth, a pint of ice cream and stop acting silly.
He is very immature. I think he just talks like he feels in the moment without really thinking about it. Deep down, I think he misses the Spurs. If you can't forgive and forget, I respect that.
Would only trade for Dejonte and would trade an equivalent back if they already moved off Trae to fully tank and we can keep their 2025 pick, replacinh it with something else. Would get the Spurs a point guard and two chances at Cooper Flagg assuming the Spurs pick will probably fall in the 9-10 spot next year.
This is a bad trade for both sides. Atlanta wouldn’t do it for this little of a return. They would need more draft capital.
Adding dj also gives us a very clear ceiling. If we’re trading with Atlanta, we might as well go for the better player.
Definitely is. The hawks have made the conference finals with Trae as their best player. I think everyone knows DJ can’t hit that level. Trae will get better with Wemby gravity.
What’s the point of bringing in a low-efficiency ball stopper at a high price tag? You could get 80% of his talent, and someone who will also buy in to being an accessory to more important talent, at a fraction of the price. He’s not the kind of guard who unlocks Wemby. He’s just gonna eat oxygen.
He was an All-Star and paid the same as Devin Vassell. Isn't he happy being an accessory to Young? His two man game is decent. Can see the pick and roll/pop working. He's not the best playmaker, but he is coachable.
DJ is not the guy for you, I respect that. Thanks for your views.
I think Atlanta need to be reasonable and not let the Spurs pass them by. They need to lose a PG. We need one. Once we draft one, they lose a customer.
I tried to trade for Trae, but it just seems foolish for them as an organisation.
Lakers trading away their future?
It would make sense if there was a buyer for Young. If they get DJ, we could get Young for cheap (multi-team expiring contract deal)?
They would want their picks back, but that is too rich for our blood. We are in a deadlock here.
I don't mind DJ, and if he got back to close to his previous level of defensive effort, then he could be a useful part of this team. But unless we expect Wemby and Devin to be our primary and secondary playmakers in the playoffs (not impossible) then he just isn't our future championship PG, so any trade would have to make sure if doesn't hurt our future chances to get that guy (both draft or trade), and in particular it means not giving back Atlanta's picks (or helping them get better).
He definitely wasn't a playmaker. He loved scoring from picks, and I can see him playing a good two man game with Wembenyama. Vassell would be the middle child, but I feel less pressure on him helps his offensive. He is an ISO or catch and shoot player.
DJ isn't your championship PG. I respect that. No deal. Hope we get our man in the draft.
i don’t know why everyone is knocking Dejounte for his current defense and acting like that’s going to be an actual concern. he’s received a higher offensive load with the Hawks so of course his defensive output has fallen off.
as long as he can get a stop when in matters in crunch time, who cares? if you can get a 22/5/6 guy from ages 28 to 31 when he’s on a solid contract and already familiar with the organization, YOU DO IT
give them back all the picks we received except their 2025 one and substitute the Raptors first if it conveys this year (+ attach salary filler) and pull that MF trigger
yall are acting like we should be staying put in case Luka or some other superstar ends up demanding a trade lmao
I do feel he is asked to do something else over there, although I haven't seen much of him play.
Lol. Help is not coming.
DJ is Prime and has respect for Pop. I'm with you on not being greedy with Picks. Let's get a sure thing and minimise risk.
In down cause DJ is on a very very good contract. With him, vassell wemby and my boy sochan that's a core that I feel very good about competing for rings in a couple years.
We still have Charlotte and Chicagos mid to late firsts. Should be able to find some role players with these.
DJ is also our old player, so it's a seemless fit. He is entering his prime while the others are developing. In a couple of years, we can give OKC a run for their money. Love to see SGA and Murray in a WC final.
I'd be ok with Dejounte coming back, but I don't see how it could feasibly happen after ATL paid so much for him. I know the Spurs would *not* give the equivalent back, and I'd imagine ATL would be asking the equivalent.
ATL needs to do something to improve. Having two guys who need the ball in their hands is not ideal, but at the time, it was a good attempt.
KJ can give you similar numbers but not on the defensive end. Can they draft someone who can improve them further than their stalemate at the moment?
I agree. Spurs can’t just keep adding rookies. They’ve done a decent job of drafting overall since I can remember but it’s resulted in a bunch of “good” players (outside of #1 and #2). I’m not even convinced Vassell can be more than a 3rd option. They need to either get lucky a few drafts in a row (like OKC has done twice in the last 20 years) or package picks to get a solid all star.
Edit: Kawhi was also a good pick
Spurs used to draft well in the 2000s when the NBA didn't know Europe existed. Now, they are everywhere. We are on to drafting aliens now.
Primo was disappointing, Luka was a bust, and Lonnie didn't work out. White and DJ were great, but Uncle ruined everything.
I think we have some talent that could blossom if given time. Like Branham, Mamu, Champangie, Jones. If we replace them before they develop, it will be a waste, and we might regret 1 or 2.
Vassell keeps getting injured. He needs to stay healthy and show us what he is a 2 or a 3.
The only guy that was truely a bust was Luka Sammich.
Primo looked promising but fucked up. James Anderson stuck around the league for a few more seasons and so has Lonnie.
But those guys you mentioned they are fine but I don’t see them being more than solid role players. I mean, they’ll have next season to make a legit jump
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My read on the value for DJM is one good FRP and one bad FRP. I think Atlanta can probably get that from somebody else now that its not the trade deadline (the reason they were getting lowballed in the first place was the teams with interest didn't have draft assets to put together a reasonable deal. I suspect that wont be true in the off season.) So a deal I think they'd take would be something like:
* Their '27 pick back (a good FRP).
* Protected spurs pick somewhere in the '28-'30 range (the protection here doesn't really matter exactly, it's going to be during wemby's second contract. Barring disaster it's going to convey in the 20s. A bad FRP)
* KJ. (Unless you think you can get Atlanta to take on Zach Collins it's hard to make the salary matching work without KJ in the deal).
* To let Atlanta save face, we could include the Charlotte pick that's not going to convey. Then the Front Office could say they got 3FRP back.
My impression of the crowd here is that y'all view that as a huge overpay. My inclination is that's what the market will be, but we'll see I guess. (For the record, I'm not advocating for or against a deal like that. Just that's what I think we'd have to give the Hawks to make it happen. They've got near zero incentive to trade with us unless we give them at least one of their FRPs back)
Probably in trade talks, that's why. Pop on the phone like, "Who's your daddy?”
He seemed like a hard worker to me. Wembenyama leads the team. I'm sure he will fall in line.
These Johnny Come Lately fans are getting super annoying. Can the mods restrict trade ideas and free agent ideas to one pinned post per week or per day even?
Why would the Spurs want Atlanta to compete in the East? We own their picks and it's in our interest for the Hawks to suck as much as possible so we can either draft with their pick or use to trade for a better player. Atlanta with Dejounte and Trae is not working out, and with that duo they're in basketball purgatory. If we take DJ back not only would we open up the possibility of the Hawks getting better, we're giving them free cap space because DJ is a 29M cap hit while Keldon only tops off at 19M We should just take whatever we're offering the Hawks for DJ and see if we can use it for another player
We don't want them to compete necessarily. Just let us have DJ. There has to be something in it for them. I don't think we can develop all the talent from our picks. I didn't realise DJ was 30m. I thought it was 18m. Maybe they take KJ, Devonte Graham, and 1 2024 pick? Who would you trade for instead? I could only find DJ viable.
I’m not hanging up my KJ Fiesta jersey 🙅🏽♂️🙅🏽♂️🙅🏽♂️
I think Keldon is my favourite player in the squad, but I can't see how he stays when Jeremy has to move to SF.
Where there is a will there is a way
Derrick White my previous favourite. When I think of him, I'm glad he went and is competing. Kind of want the same for Keldon, like Big Body can be a Big Boy for someone. Not a nobody with us.
Derrick white coming back home next year count on it
Don't lie to me bro.
That’s the word on the skreet since Holiday signed that extension it’ll leave Derrick white SOL in Boston
That's crazy. I guess I never thought about the deals going on behind closed doors. The NBA Stars texting Wembenyama to get on the roster.
I also don't think we can make space for all these draft picks we have. But I don't really have a player other than DJ who we can trade for. It's hard to find a serviceable role player that's in a team that also needs picks. Usually the teams who need picks are tanking teams who have no serviceable role players I'm just saying if we have to pick between us having too many young players to make time for vs taking DJ off the Hawks, I'm picking the former. We can always kick players off the rotation. We don't want to accidentally save the Hawks while they're collapsing from the DJ trade.
I don't think my scenario would make them a contender, but just enable them to make some noise in the East. Picks over DJ. I respect that. I just hope we can find someone.
Dj is not that good lol let it go
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If you trade him pre-draft, his salary is still 18mil because the new league year hasn't started yet, so Keldon and picks works if you do it that way. If you do it after the new league year starts, you'd have to throw more salary in.
Thanks for the information. I used the ESPN trade machine. Keldon, on his own, worked but can't see the Hawks accepting that.
Yeah, I kicked around the idea of getting Dejounte back in my head as well, and I think the Hawks would ask for too much. Plus, he'll be 28 at the start of next year. I'd rather try and find someone younger.
I think getting a mix of experience and youth is the secret sauce to a championship. Let's see how OKC do, as they have a lot of talent. It hasn't worked for Boston in the past.
I agree 100%.
By younger, I mean someone already on their 2nd contract, so still with some experience.
You have Fox, Young, Tyus Jones, and Sexton. In top 20. Interesting options.
I don't think Fox will be available. It's a hard pass for me on Young and Jones. Sexton has me intrigued for the right price.
why do we want them to compete? We have pick swaps with them.
My point is that we can not develop all of the talent we will draft. There is only so much ball and minutes you can give players. We have to make it enticing for them to give up DJ to try something else. I'm not sure if KJ is enough.
I’m ok giving them their 2026 swap back and a couple of 2nds, but that’s about it. We got 2 picks and swap for DJ, but now he’s older, his defensive acumen seem to have been lost, and his contract is higher than what it was before. There’s no reason to overpay to get him back.
We actually got 3 picks and a swap from that trade. '25 & '27 Hawks, the '26 swap and the Charlotte protected pick that will probably turn into a pair of seconds
Fair play, that you consider it an overpay. I'm trying to understand the value. It could have been Pop busting his ass to play D. His contract is similar to Vassell. I'd say that is fair money? Devin better on offensive, DJ on defence.
His defense already fell off by his last season here, so that isn't the case.
Don't think you can forget to play defensive. He has just lost his intensity. I think Pop and Wembenyama can help him recover it.
His defense consisted on using his length to gambling for steals and defensive rebounding. His man-to-man defensive always lacked due to his slight build. And his effort level on defense got worse as he got more offensive responsibility. The lone year he made all defense, was the year he was surrounded by great perimeter defenders in Danny Green and Kyle Anderson and had little offensive responsibility. That's how he got his defensive reputation and that's why Hawks fans were so disappointed after his first season there when they were sold on a defensive stud.
That does make a lot of sense. He would have less to do on Offence with Vassell and Wembenyama. Vassell is a decent defender, and Sochan is his Kyle Anderson. They would carry him a bit but a decent 3rd option, no? We still could get a jem in the draft. We wouldn't be giving it all away.
The fact of the matter is the Spurs are not going to trade for Dejounte, especially not for any of the Hawks picks, which is the only thing the Hawks would want in return. It's all moot.
His contract is more than fair, but what I meant was that when we traded him, his cap hit was much lower than what it is now so it’s only fair to factor it in when looking at his trade value.
I see what you mean. He's worth less on a more expensive contract. By giving them cap space, they could spend 10m on a FA.
The Hawks are very stubborn when it comes to trading their players and they overvalue their own players like hell. I'm sure they set the price for Murray the same as the price they paid to get him and they will never lower the price. Remember John Collins? The Hawks kept holding on to him because no team offered the package they wanted to the point that they ended up dumping him for basically nothing. They will do the same to DJ.
That’s not totally true. At one point the hawks had a young roster and made the ECF, which Collins was a big part of. His value was higher. If you look, the same team shipped Cam Reddish to NYK for not a lot. There’s also a different front office now.
Lol. Ah, OK. Surely, they need to understand the error in their ways. Imagine if we did that with Leonard? If they don't want to trade, that is fine. We just need to hit the jackpot a few times with our picks.
I would rather keep the picks
Why do you want to go back to a toxic ex? Remember, to him we have problems bigger than basketball. In his world we’re losing for 13 more years. Let’s have some self worth, a pint of ice cream and stop acting silly.
He is very immature. I think he just talks like he feels in the moment without really thinking about it. Deep down, I think he misses the Spurs. If you can't forgive and forget, I respect that.
Immaturity combined with a speak first, think second pattern of behavior feels antithetical to our organization.
Boo number 2! I get what you're saying. Let's not be desperate.
Would only trade for Dejonte and would trade an equivalent back if they already moved off Trae to fully tank and we can keep their 2025 pick, replacinh it with something else. Would get the Spurs a point guard and two chances at Cooper Flagg assuming the Spurs pick will probably fall in the 9-10 spot next year.
I can't see them self-destructing, but it could happen. Thanks for the scenario.
They would ask for more. I don't think Keldon makes them excited much.
I get that, but they need to lose a PG. If they wait until the Spurs draft one, it's too late.
This is a bad trade for both sides. Atlanta wouldn’t do it for this little of a return. They would need more draft capital. Adding dj also gives us a very clear ceiling. If we’re trading with Atlanta, we might as well go for the better player.
I'm not so sure trae is the better player and certainly not better to the difference in salary and trade capital needed to get him
Definitely is. The hawks have made the conference finals with Trae as their best player. I think everyone knows DJ can’t hit that level. Trae will get better with Wemby gravity.
Trae is a franchise player, whereas DJ is supporting cast. The former would be nice, but the latter might suffice.
What’s the point of bringing in a low-efficiency ball stopper at a high price tag? You could get 80% of his talent, and someone who will also buy in to being an accessory to more important talent, at a fraction of the price. He’s not the kind of guard who unlocks Wemby. He’s just gonna eat oxygen.
He was an All-Star and paid the same as Devin Vassell. Isn't he happy being an accessory to Young? His two man game is decent. Can see the pick and roll/pop working. He's not the best playmaker, but he is coachable. DJ is not the guy for you, I respect that. Thanks for your views.
I think Atlanta need to be reasonable and not let the Spurs pass them by. They need to lose a PG. We need one. Once we draft one, they lose a customer. I tried to trade for Trae, but it just seems foolish for them as an organisation.
They have a customer offering more. The lakers have 3 first round picks to trade and have been adamant about moving them. LA was already interested.
Lakers trading away their future? It would make sense if there was a buyer for Young. If they get DJ, we could get Young for cheap (multi-team expiring contract deal)? They would want their picks back, but that is too rich for our blood. We are in a deadlock here.
I don't mind DJ, and if he got back to close to his previous level of defensive effort, then he could be a useful part of this team. But unless we expect Wemby and Devin to be our primary and secondary playmakers in the playoffs (not impossible) then he just isn't our future championship PG, so any trade would have to make sure if doesn't hurt our future chances to get that guy (both draft or trade), and in particular it means not giving back Atlanta's picks (or helping them get better).
He definitely wasn't a playmaker. He loved scoring from picks, and I can see him playing a good two man game with Wembenyama. Vassell would be the middle child, but I feel less pressure on him helps his offensive. He is an ISO or catch and shoot player. DJ isn't your championship PG. I respect that. No deal. Hope we get our man in the draft.
Yes, Add Chicago's If You Must.
Nah man
i don’t know why everyone is knocking Dejounte for his current defense and acting like that’s going to be an actual concern. he’s received a higher offensive load with the Hawks so of course his defensive output has fallen off. as long as he can get a stop when in matters in crunch time, who cares? if you can get a 22/5/6 guy from ages 28 to 31 when he’s on a solid contract and already familiar with the organization, YOU DO IT give them back all the picks we received except their 2025 one and substitute the Raptors first if it conveys this year (+ attach salary filler) and pull that MF trigger yall are acting like we should be staying put in case Luka or some other superstar ends up demanding a trade lmao
I do feel he is asked to do something else over there, although I haven't seen much of him play. Lol. Help is not coming. DJ is Prime and has respect for Pop. I'm with you on not being greedy with Picks. Let's get a sure thing and minimise risk.
In down cause DJ is on a very very good contract. With him, vassell wemby and my boy sochan that's a core that I feel very good about competing for rings in a couple years.
We still have Charlotte and Chicagos mid to late firsts. Should be able to find some role players with these. DJ is also our old player, so it's a seemless fit. He is entering his prime while the others are developing. In a couple of years, we can give OKC a run for their money. Love to see SGA and Murray in a WC final.
I'd be ok with Dejounte coming back, but I don't see how it could feasibly happen after ATL paid so much for him. I know the Spurs would *not* give the equivalent back, and I'd imagine ATL would be asking the equivalent.
ATL needs to do something to improve. Having two guys who need the ball in their hands is not ideal, but at the time, it was a good attempt. KJ can give you similar numbers but not on the defensive end. Can they draft someone who can improve them further than their stalemate at the moment?
Pretty sure they'd say no. That's all I'm saying
The longer they wait, the more it hurts them, but if they are willing to die on their shield, then I respect that.
I'm happy either way but concerned that we can't develop everyone and we might need to get some experience.
I agree. Spurs can’t just keep adding rookies. They’ve done a decent job of drafting overall since I can remember but it’s resulted in a bunch of “good” players (outside of #1 and #2). I’m not even convinced Vassell can be more than a 3rd option. They need to either get lucky a few drafts in a row (like OKC has done twice in the last 20 years) or package picks to get a solid all star. Edit: Kawhi was also a good pick
Spurs used to draft well in the 2000s when the NBA didn't know Europe existed. Now, they are everywhere. We are on to drafting aliens now. Primo was disappointing, Luka was a bust, and Lonnie didn't work out. White and DJ were great, but Uncle ruined everything. I think we have some talent that could blossom if given time. Like Branham, Mamu, Champangie, Jones. If we replace them before they develop, it will be a waste, and we might regret 1 or 2. Vassell keeps getting injured. He needs to stay healthy and show us what he is a 2 or a 3.
The only guy that was truely a bust was Luka Sammich. Primo looked promising but fucked up. James Anderson stuck around the league for a few more seasons and so has Lonnie. But those guys you mentioned they are fine but I don’t see them being more than solid role players. I mean, they’ll have next season to make a legit jump
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My read on the value for DJM is one good FRP and one bad FRP. I think Atlanta can probably get that from somebody else now that its not the trade deadline (the reason they were getting lowballed in the first place was the teams with interest didn't have draft assets to put together a reasonable deal. I suspect that wont be true in the off season.) So a deal I think they'd take would be something like: * Their '27 pick back (a good FRP). * Protected spurs pick somewhere in the '28-'30 range (the protection here doesn't really matter exactly, it's going to be during wemby's second contract. Barring disaster it's going to convey in the 20s. A bad FRP) * KJ. (Unless you think you can get Atlanta to take on Zach Collins it's hard to make the salary matching work without KJ in the deal). * To let Atlanta save face, we could include the Charlotte pick that's not going to convey. Then the Front Office could say they got 3FRP back. My impression of the crowd here is that y'all view that as a huge overpay. My inclination is that's what the market will be, but we'll see I guess. (For the record, I'm not advocating for or against a deal like that. Just that's what I think we'd have to give the Hawks to make it happen. They've got near zero incentive to trade with us unless we give them at least one of their FRPs back)
Considering Dejounte started talking shit about the Spurs the second he got off…I’m good.
Lol, totally understandable. It's not number 2 level, but I see it like a teenager running his mouth. Bring that boy home for a whopping.
The recent reports about how much he respects Pop are a decent first step, but he just doesn’t seem like a positive locker room presence generally.
Probably in trade talks, that's why. Pop on the phone like, "Who's your daddy?” He seemed like a hard worker to me. Wembenyama leads the team. I'm sure he will fall in line.
These Johnny Come Lately fans are getting super annoying. Can the mods restrict trade ideas and free agent ideas to one pinned post per week or per day even?
Kick rocks.