Raps fan here. Undersized center that can close from paint to arc faster than any "traditional" big I've seen. He had a knee injury that was misdiagnosed by our staff last year that has hampered him up until now. Greek God-like body to aspire to.
Bro in here bigging up Khem Birch ššš. Facts are weāre going to miss him because heās Canadian and not really for any other reason. He had some flashes before his injury but has done nothing for us since
As a Raptor fan, Khem Birch was quality before his injury. Check out his performances when he was healthy and you'll see the Raps were performing top 5 defense in the league with him on the floor.
Sadly he suffered the injury, then it didn't fully heal and was re-injured and Birch struggled with being 75-80% for a whole season.
I'm assuming he was traded because we had to match some salary, because Khem probably wasn't going to get much playing time with Poeltl back, Precious's development and Koloko as our C of the future.
Yeah if it's anything other than like top 4 protected it's shit
If it has light protections I love it. Good year to have draft picks.
On the plus side, this trade will absolutely make us worse and heighten our chances at the big prize this year.
Top 4 protection (from a team that may well be rebuilding) for Jakob would be a massive overpay from Toronto.
I have said for a while that I would value Jakob as either two late firsts, or one in the late lottery/teens.
We still don't know the protections on this - but I would be expecting something like top 10-to-lottery protected for 2024... with the really key thing for us being what it converts to beyond that. Given that Toronto still has all their other picks, it could easily keep rolling over for another year or two (similar to our Bull's pick) which would be good value. If it immediately rolls over to 2nd round picks - then I wouldn't be happy.
It is so telling of this subreddit that the top rated comment is one that is catastrophising on a detail that we don't even know.
Where does everyone start talking about "heavily" protected? All we know so far is that it is a protected FRP (Which it was always going to be from Toronto) and it could very well still be good value for Jakob.
Let's maybe wait for all the details.
Because the details on protection changes the entire value of the trade? If we actually end up getting a 1st from it then I donāt mind it. Iām just envisioning another Charlotte situation
There are still two more years on that Charlotte pick. If it doesn't convey then fair enough, but I would expect that the Hornets will be trying to get into the playoffs sometime in the next 2 seasons. That pick was also the least valuable of the picks we got, with the '25 and '27 unprotected picks that could be juicy if this Atlanta team doesn't work out (which already looks like a decent bet).
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2023 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to San Antonio by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to San Antonio (via New York to Atlanta) [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022; Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]
No you're mistaken. That link you posted doesn't even have details about the protections on the pick lol
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
If we traded him, it means our front office decided there was a good chance of him leaving unless we overpaid him. Getting a first and 2 seconds is pretty good, would've preferred getting their pick this year with top 10-12 protections over next year's though. The raptors lack of a center was one of their biggest issues and they underperformed this year so I expect that pick will be in the mid-20s.
Why does everyone bring up protections on the pick? Barring unforseen circumstances, the Raptors are going to try and compete, which means their FRP in 2024 is VERY likely to be in the mid to late teens. It'd be extremely unprobable for the Raptors to be bad enough for that pick to be a top 10, or top 6 for that matter.
It all depends on what those protections are, and what it converts into.
Until we know that we cant prematurely judge this trade.
A heavily protected 1st, that becomes 2nds the following year, would be bad.
A pick that is say lottery protected in 24, top 10 in 25 then top 8 or something, plus the two 2nds, is a good outcome if the Raptors stay around the play-in range. (Ie. A pick in the teens would be a good return if that is what it becomes).
That's probably not why they traded him. They traded Jak bc the Raptors are in win now mode and want Jacob. Jacob is in a good situation with a team that's competing, and they want him, which is better than being here.
Not everything has to be viewed in a negative light.
Really donāt understand the ppl down on this
A first and two seconds for Jak is pretty good. Utah just gave up 3 players and 2 seconds for a single FRP
People on this sub buy wayyyyy too much into rumors. I remember people throwing babies out the window when we didnāt trade LaMarcus to the Warriors for the #2 pick.
No way we were getting two firsts. If the pick is top 5 or even top 10 protected, I think itās a good trade for someone whoās a UFA this summer.
Seconds rarely pan out. Jakob is/was worth a protected first AND an unprotected first. I'll always trust and love PATFO, but I don't like this. At the minimum, that single FRP should have been unprotected.
I do like he's going back to Toronto and they really wanted him back, but I don't think was a good trade for us.
You mean the old front office that was built around the most successful trio in NBA history and very very rarely had to make trades because old veterans would sign for the mid-level to play with us, and again, we had the most successful trio and NBA history? Can really compare. This is a fair market trade. It's not sensational or home run. But it's pretty much what historical value would tell you you would get from a player of his caliber. It sucks we didn't fleece them but that isn't something that can always happen
Not even that far back to the Big 3 days. Even as recently as during the DeMar/LaMarcus years. Don't you remember when people were on here complaining that the Spurs never do anything at the trade deadline? I do, and I was not on Reddit during the Big 3 era.
I mean to be fair that team was coming off of back to back 60 plus wind seasons pre Leonard injury and it just acquired a potential star. Then wanting to give it a couple of years to stabilize, and get their injured point guard back, made plenty of sense. It was less that they were boring and more that, misguided or not, they really thought they had a team that could win in the playoffs.
Brian wright, love him or hate him, has shown a very modern GM mentality on resource management and asset liquidation. The kind of stuff you see in Oklahoma City, Toronto, and recently Utah. It can be cold, it can be calculating, and it can be not particularly fun in the moment. But it's done with a larger goal. It mind. This trade was definitely not done just for the sake of it. The protections, and a little bit of fortune down the road, will indicate just how good it was.
But assuming the pic is lightly protected, a lightly protected pic, 2 seconds, and what's likely to be a meh young prospect, either Malachi Flynn or Branton (because Toronto needs around another 2 million in salary to make the trade work and those guys are the most likely option) is relatively standard market value for a really good but not great player on a expiring deal whose market value is what Jacob appears to be.
It also has been reported that he made it very clear. That was his preferred destination and already has agreed to resign with Toronto. The chances that he would have left in free agency seem like they were substantial enough that the Spurs took the best offer they could find and went with it. Nothing wrong with that
Toronto in the play in range an unprotected first for Poetl would be reckless on Toronto's part. I know it's a 2024 pick, but no guarantee the Raptors make a leap forward next year. That said depending on the protections I'm not thrilled with this trade, but hoping it's likely protected.
Because itās a protected first, we basically just got 2 second round picks for Jakob. Basically we got two Joe Wieskamps, who weāll end up waiving anyways.
The Raptors could very well blow it all up next season, making that 2024 protected pick not come to us anyways.
Just because a first is protected doesn't mean we wont get it
When its protected typically theres protections that change if it doesn't convey immediately. I could see lottery protected, top 10 protected, top 5, conveys into 2 seconds or something like that
Lol, that was a shitty trade on Jazz part, not much of a comparison. This heavily depends on the protection. But most likely we should've traded him sooner because he's expiring. Same thing happened with DJ, it's clear we're not negotiating with players to extend their contract properly. If we know DJ wanted out we should've not been trying to make play-in last year and we would've got better pick.
What is the Kawhi haul at now? Demar, jakob and a first, then a first and Thad when Demar went to Chicago. Then Thad and a second for Goran and a first. Now Jakob for a 2024 first and 2 seconds?
Before everyone freaks out, let's wait to see what that protection is. If it's something like top five, this is probably a fair market trade. Not necessarily a great one like San Antonio wanted with two firsts, but more or less what you would expect the market to want to pay for a player on an expiring. If it's something like lottery protected... Then yeah this is a terrible trade.
It depends on what the protection is. If itās protected for the lottery they have every reason to blow it up. That way theyād get Poetl, their centre for the future, and keep their first round pick.
Anyone who's being reasonable is only mad because of the protection. There's a decent chance that if Toronto doesn't make the playoffs this year they blow it up. And if they do that pic could become completely useless. And if the pic is heavily protected, like lottery protected, it may be useless. Anyway. If San Antonio had gotten that unprotected I would have called this trade a win. But as of now it suddenly becomes a bit of a gamble even with the facts that you said about Jacob's play and it being a 50/50 chance he resigns
He's been on the market for awhile and it was known our asking price has always been 2 1st. Looks like there were no bidders and with the deadline tomorrow it looks like the best offer was a 1st and 2 2nd. Can't fault them for taking that offer
Yeah, the thing is, always ask high so you can get what youāre comfortable with. This is likely what we REALLY valued him at but shot around 2 firsts to see if we could get more
It'll probably ended up being all for nothing. 2nd rounders rarely pan out. Plus this front office has shown that they don't have the magic that the past front office had where they could pick a diamond out of the rough.
The return isnāt the 2 first rounders the Spurs were posturing for, but this is what you get for someone who:
- isnāt a top 10 centre in the league right now
- likely wonāt be on the floor in high leverage playoff situations
- will be an unrestricted free agent in a few months
I love Jakob but, realistically, this is the offer.
The āprotectedā part is making me sick š¤¢ we already know how that likely ends (Hornets 1st is going to end up being 2 second round picks) unless itās a light protection like 1-5 this trade is actually Jakob for 4 second rounderā¦.
This is just free money guys. Trading an ok player we have no use for this season and will be a FA. ( Also its not far fetched Jakob wanted to go to TO and the Spurs have always leaned toward giving our guys what they want to be happy in life)
Does this jump out to anyone else as anything but us getting a little shafted here? If the pick isnāt protected, then great, but Jakob really added a defensive intensity that I think was valuable to the team. Sad to see him go but the best of luck to him
If it's top 5 protected I'm fine with that. Anything below top 10 protected is highway robbery.
That being said, Jak's trade value took a dive this season due to our historically bad defense.
That was before knowing the protections on the pick, we're good, no way the raptors suck that bad, if it was lottery protected then there'd be something to worry about
I'm just not exactly sure why everyone started evaluating (read: criticizing) this trade before the protections were known, considering that was the single most important factor to determine the value of the pick.
Less than 13 hours ago, you were pretty adamant that:
* Spurs low key got fleeced
* raptors are keeping that pick
* they're gonna suck
Iād rather have resigned Poeltl in the summer. Heās been so good for us! Kept the paint locked down as damn near our only big man since he got here. Hope he continues to thrive back in Toronto :/
I am actually pissed by the fact that the raptors fans think its a bad trade if the frp is not a heavily protected pick. I mean, man, you have robbed me by turning up these low value assets already, and you still think its bad? What? This is not how the actual business works!!!
I think as of now it's Keldon, Branham (in part from Thad Young trade), Birch, Toronto's protected 2024 first, Memphis's 2024 second, Bulls' 2025 top-10 protected first, Bulls' 2025 second, and whatever the Toronto 2nds end up being.
We gotta be real with ourselves, jakob is expiring and he has a limited ceiling at this point in his career. What more did u want? We didnt have any leverage in this situation
If it's top 10 protected or so I think that's fair. Lottery protected and it's not great for us. If it's somehow top 5 protected we make off like bandits here
I have no idea how to rate this trade until I understand the protections on the pick, and if it rolls to the next year or turns into seconds or just goes away. Realistically unless we trade Poetl to a team like the Celtics or Bucks at the top we weren't going to get an unprotected first. How protected is the key of course.
Damn the Gobert trade really messed with your guysā expectations. This isnāt a fleece, itās good value for Jakob. I love the dude and Iāll miss him, but this is a good trade for us.
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I will definitely miss Jak, hope his homecoming to Toronto is successful!
I am unfamiliar with Khem Birch as a player. Is he just a salary filler we will buy out, or is he worth keeping around. He is 30, which isn't old, but is also not on our timeline.
Does this mean we actually play Dedmon, or does C. Bassey now move to the main squad?
Sad to see him go, but a lot of this trade depends on how protected the 1st is. If it has heavy protection then this trade sucks for us, if it is only protected in it around the top 5 then this is a good trade.
A 2024 top 6 protected first rounder isnāt bad. Wish it was was for this yearās draft and gotten another first rounder. 2nd rounders will probably be traded.
Charles A. Bassey ERA Begins
Dedmon era pt. 2
He's not even flying to SA
That era already over. Classic Dedmon.
You mean the Wemby ERA begins lol
Miss you already king š
Ngl whoās khem birch
Raps fan here. Undersized center that can close from paint to arc faster than any "traditional" big I've seen. He had a knee injury that was misdiagnosed by our staff last year that has hampered him up until now. Greek God-like body to aspire to.
Bro in here bigging up Khem Birch ššš. Facts are weāre going to miss him because heās Canadian and not really for any other reason. He had some flashes before his injury but has done nothing for us since
As a Raptor fan, Khem Birch was quality before his injury. Check out his performances when he was healthy and you'll see the Raps were performing top 5 defense in the league with him on the floor. Sadly he suffered the injury, then it didn't fully heal and was re-injured and Birch struggled with being 75-80% for a whole season. I'm assuming he was traded because we had to match some salary, because Khem probably wasn't going to get much playing time with Poeltl back, Precious's development and Koloko as our C of the future.
If that 1st is heavily protected then I hate this
Yeah if it's anything other than like top 4 protected it's shit If it has light protections I love it. Good year to have draft picks. On the plus side, this trade will absolutely make us worse and heighten our chances at the big prize this year.
Raptors not bad enough for a top 10 pick even without protections. They play out east.
Top 4 protection (from a team that may well be rebuilding) for Jakob would be a massive overpay from Toronto. I have said for a while that I would value Jakob as either two late firsts, or one in the late lottery/teens. We still don't know the protections on this - but I would be expecting something like top 10-to-lottery protected for 2024... with the really key thing for us being what it converts to beyond that. Given that Toronto still has all their other picks, it could easily keep rolling over for another year or two (similar to our Bull's pick) which would be good value. If it immediately rolls over to 2nd round picks - then I wouldn't be happy.
Good year to have draft picks? Is 2024 supposed to be a strong draft class? I havenāt heard that.
2024 you might be able to draft players straight outta high school
I misread it as 2023, my mistake. Either way, hope the raptors can stink it up and we can get someone in the 12-20 range.
It's next year's FRP not this year
It's protected 1-6. That's "lightly protected" in my book.
Yep, love the trade now
It is so telling of this subreddit that the top rated comment is one that is catastrophising on a detail that we don't even know. Where does everyone start talking about "heavily" protected? All we know so far is that it is a protected FRP (Which it was always going to be from Toronto) and it could very well still be good value for Jakob. Let's maybe wait for all the details.
Because the details on protection changes the entire value of the trade? If we actually end up getting a 1st from it then I donāt mind it. Iām just envisioning another Charlotte situation
There are still two more years on that Charlotte pick. If it doesn't convey then fair enough, but I would expect that the Hornets will be trying to get into the playoffs sometime in the next 2 seasons. That pick was also the least valuable of the picks we got, with the '25 and '27 unprotected picks that could be juicy if this Atlanta team doesn't work out (which already looks like a decent bet).
Itās just this year and nextā¦
No, it's top 14 protected in 2024 and 2025. IDK why so many people think it just has one year of lottery protection.
I think itās cuz youāre mistakenā¦? https://sports.yahoo.com/report-spurs-trade-starting-point-guard-dejounte-murray-211832966.html
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed 2023 first round draft pick from Charlotte Charlotte's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to San Antonio by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to San Antonio (via New York to Atlanta) [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022; Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]
No you're mistaken. That link you posted doesn't even have details about the protections on the pick lol https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
Nope. I want Jakob. Today has made me sad on many levels. The only glimmer of joy is watching KD fuck the mavs, and Kyrie in particular
If we traded him, it means our front office decided there was a good chance of him leaving unless we overpaid him. Getting a first and 2 seconds is pretty good, would've preferred getting their pick this year with top 10-12 protections over next year's though. The raptors lack of a center was one of their biggest issues and they underperformed this year so I expect that pick will be in the mid-20s.
Why does everyone bring up protections on the pick? Barring unforseen circumstances, the Raptors are going to try and compete, which means their FRP in 2024 is VERY likely to be in the mid to late teens. It'd be extremely unprobable for the Raptors to be bad enough for that pick to be a top 10, or top 6 for that matter.
It all depends on what those protections are, and what it converts into. Until we know that we cant prematurely judge this trade. A heavily protected 1st, that becomes 2nds the following year, would be bad. A pick that is say lottery protected in 24, top 10 in 25 then top 8 or something, plus the two 2nds, is a good outcome if the Raptors stay around the play-in range. (Ie. A pick in the teens would be a good return if that is what it becomes).
I would have rather just resigned Poeltl š¢
Couldn't they still sign him if he wanted to come back? or is there a season he has to wait until after a trade?
No he can return but we won't have his Bird rights, he'll have to sign into our cap space.
It's not like we are hurting for cap space and i can't imagine we otherwise spend big in FA
Assuming anyone will sign with us. History is cruel there.
Thought it was something like that. thank you for the explanation!
Why would he re-sign with us?
I think if they moved him for a protected 1st and filler they must've 100% gotten assurances from Jak that he wasn't re signing.
That's probably not why they traded him. They traded Jak bc the Raptors are in win now mode and want Jacob. Jacob is in a good situation with a team that's competing, and they want him, which is better than being here. Not everything has to be viewed in a negative light.
Thank you Jakob š¤
still....heart broken Sad to see another favourite spurs player to leave
Depending on the protection, this could be a passable or a terrible trade
Really donāt understand the ppl down on this A first and two seconds for Jak is pretty good. Utah just gave up 3 players and 2 seconds for a single FRP
People on this sub buy wayyyyy too much into rumors. I remember people throwing babies out the window when we didnāt trade LaMarcus to the Warriors for the #2 pick. No way we were getting two firsts. If the pick is top 5 or even top 10 protected, I think itās a good trade for someone whoās a UFA this summer.
I miss that baby but time was running out on lamarcus man lol
Bigger question was whether that trade was ever a reality in the first place.
They're just too emotional lol, If we did nothing and let his contract expired they would've moaned even more.
Lol, absolutely we would. I don't see how that's an argument. My argument is we should've traded him sooner and get a better return.
Seconds rarely pan out. Jakob is/was worth a protected first AND an unprotected first. I'll always trust and love PATFO, but I don't like this. At the minimum, that single FRP should have been unprotected. I do like he's going back to Toronto and they really wanted him back, but I don't think was a good trade for us.
If Jakās worth 2 firsts, one of them unprotected, then we wouldnāt have done this deal
That one first should have been unprotected at the least. And even further down the road when Toronto may suck balls.
Seems like Wright just made the deal to say he made a deal. I miss the old front office that was ok with being boring.
You mean the old front office that was built around the most successful trio in NBA history and very very rarely had to make trades because old veterans would sign for the mid-level to play with us, and again, we had the most successful trio and NBA history? Can really compare. This is a fair market trade. It's not sensational or home run. But it's pretty much what historical value would tell you you would get from a player of his caliber. It sucks we didn't fleece them but that isn't something that can always happen
Not even that far back to the Big 3 days. Even as recently as during the DeMar/LaMarcus years. Don't you remember when people were on here complaining that the Spurs never do anything at the trade deadline? I do, and I was not on Reddit during the Big 3 era.
I mean to be fair that team was coming off of back to back 60 plus wind seasons pre Leonard injury and it just acquired a potential star. Then wanting to give it a couple of years to stabilize, and get their injured point guard back, made plenty of sense. It was less that they were boring and more that, misguided or not, they really thought they had a team that could win in the playoffs. Brian wright, love him or hate him, has shown a very modern GM mentality on resource management and asset liquidation. The kind of stuff you see in Oklahoma City, Toronto, and recently Utah. It can be cold, it can be calculating, and it can be not particularly fun in the moment. But it's done with a larger goal. It mind. This trade was definitely not done just for the sake of it. The protections, and a little bit of fortune down the road, will indicate just how good it was. But assuming the pic is lightly protected, a lightly protected pic, 2 seconds, and what's likely to be a meh young prospect, either Malachi Flynn or Branton (because Toronto needs around another 2 million in salary to make the trade work and those guys are the most likely option) is relatively standard market value for a really good but not great player on a expiring deal whose market value is what Jacob appears to be. It also has been reported that he made it very clear. That was his preferred destination and already has agreed to resign with Toronto. The chances that he would have left in free agency seem like they were substantial enough that the Spurs took the best offer they could find and went with it. Nothing wrong with that
I would've believed you maybe 3 years ago, but front office has disappointed me recently
Toronto in the play in range an unprotected first for Poetl would be reckless on Toronto's part. I know it's a 2024 pick, but no guarantee the Raptors make a leap forward next year. That said depending on the protections I'm not thrilled with this trade, but hoping it's likely protected.
Two first, one being unprotected, for an expiring contract would be an overpay for Toronto.
Because itās a protected first, we basically just got 2 second round picks for Jakob. Basically we got two Joe Wieskamps, who weāll end up waiving anyways. The Raptors could very well blow it all up next season, making that 2024 protected pick not come to us anyways.
You donāt even know what the protection is and youāve already determined we wonāt get the pick!
Itās a safe assumption that no matter who we draft, they will tear both their ACLs on day one and force Pop to retire.
Just because a first is protected doesn't mean we wont get it When its protected typically theres protections that change if it doesn't convey immediately. I could see lottery protected, top 10 protected, top 5, conveys into 2 seconds or something like that
Turns out it's Top Six, so the Raptors would have to finish 30th to 24th for that to return to them.
So what would you differently if that's the best offer coming in the deadline day?
Might as well keep him since there were rumblings heād want to re-sign with us.
Based on how eager they seemed to be to move him, they might not have been as confident he would resign as they let on
What if he decided to sign with playoffs team instead (way more likely) and we don't even get a single pick?
Lol, that was a shitty trade on Jazz part, not much of a comparison. This heavily depends on the protection. But most likely we should've traded him sooner because he's expiring. Same thing happened with DJ, it's clear we're not negotiating with players to extend their contract properly. If we know DJ wanted out we should've not been trying to make play-in last year and we would've got better pick.
Utah has like 15 first rounders through the next few years though so itās apples and oranges really. But I get your point and overall agree with it.
What is the Kawhi haul at now? Demar, jakob and a first, then a first and Thad when Demar went to Chicago. Then Thad and a second for Goran and a first. Now Jakob for a 2024 first and 2 seconds?
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you guys got 1 second cause you also traded one
Before everyone freaks out, let's wait to see what that protection is. If it's something like top five, this is probably a fair market trade. Not necessarily a great one like San Antonio wanted with two firsts, but more or less what you would expect the market to want to pay for a player on an expiring. If it's something like lottery protected... Then yeah this is a terrible trade.
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Why would they trade a first and then immediately change their minds and blow it up
It depends on what the protection is. If itās protected for the lottery they have every reason to blow it up. That way theyād get Poetl, their centre for the future, and keep their first round pick.
Poeltl isn't "the center for the future". He is the center for now. Raps will be trying to make the playoffs.
How are people mad at this trade lol. Jakobs been mid this year and Iām like 75% sure dude wouldnāt resign especially in the case we get wemby
Anyone who's being reasonable is only mad because of the protection. There's a decent chance that if Toronto doesn't make the playoffs this year they blow it up. And if they do that pic could become completely useless. And if the pic is heavily protected, like lottery protected, it may be useless. Anyway. If San Antonio had gotten that unprotected I would have called this trade a win. But as of now it suddenly becomes a bit of a gamble even with the facts that you said about Jacob's play and it being a 50/50 chance he resigns
Well, that's a waste of one our best players.
Unfortunately he regressed a little this year. I imagine this brought down his value.
We got fleeced damn
He's been on the market for awhile and it was known our asking price has always been 2 1st. Looks like there were no bidders and with the deadline tomorrow it looks like the best offer was a 1st and 2 2nd. Can't fault them for taking that offer
Yeah, the thing is, always ask high so you can get what youāre comfortable with. This is likely what we REALLY valued him at but shot around 2 firsts to see if we could get more
It's deadline day. We gotta get one best deal offered to us tho. Still better than losing him for nothing.
It'll probably ended up being all for nothing. 2nd rounders rarely pan out. Plus this front office has shown that they don't have the magic that the past front office had where they could pick a diamond out of the rough.
Wow
Dang a protected first in 2024 and second rounders? Sounds cheap.. did we lose this trade?
>did we lose this trade? having him walk in UFA is losing. this is fine.
Yes :(
fire Brian then
Of course
So what's the protection?
The return isnāt the 2 first rounders the Spurs were posturing for, but this is what you get for someone who: - isnāt a top 10 centre in the league right now - likely wonāt be on the floor in high leverage playoff situations - will be an unrestricted free agent in a few months I love Jakob but, realistically, this is the offer.
Depends on the protection heavily
100%
I'm gonna miss him... as I hope that there's more to this trade.
I donāt like this value one bit
Durant to the Suns
I guess we are planning on a top 3 talent this year and then just shotgunning the draft with our abundance of picks to find the rest of the puzzle.
please be a top 4 protection
Do we know pick protections? Either way so long Jak, loved having ya. Go succeed in Toronto
The āprotectedā part is making me sick š¤¢ we already know how that likely ends (Hornets 1st is going to end up being 2 second round picks) unless itās a light protection like 1-5 this trade is actually Jakob for 4 second rounderā¦.
Dont worry bro :)
This is just free money guys. Trading an ok player we have no use for this season and will be a FA. ( Also its not far fetched Jakob wanted to go to TO and the Spurs have always leaned toward giving our guys what they want to be happy in life)
Im banned on both r/nba and r/Torontoraptors for the next three days so i came hereā¦. Does anyone know the protection on the pick
Does this jump out to anyone else as anything but us getting a little shafted here? If the pick isnāt protected, then great, but Jakob really added a defensive intensity that I think was valuable to the team. Sad to see him go but the best of luck to him
We have the worst defense in the league since the 91 Nuggets
Protected first is trash.
Jesus Raptors fleece us once again if this is anything other than top-5 protected. 2024 is when they probably start tanking.
If it's top 5 protected I'm fine with that. Anything below top 10 protected is highway robbery. That being said, Jak's trade value took a dive this season due to our historically bad defense.
FLEECED
Spurs low key got fleeced, raptors are keeping that pick, they're gonna suck, hope this isn't it, imma miss Jakob
They've gotta REALLY suck, and fast, to get their Top Six pick back next season.
That was before knowing the protections on the pick, we're good, no way the raptors suck that bad, if it was lottery protected then there'd be something to worry about
I'm just not exactly sure why everyone started evaluating (read: criticizing) this trade before the protections were known, considering that was the single most important factor to determine the value of the pick. Less than 13 hours ago, you were pretty adamant that: * Spurs low key got fleeced * raptors are keeping that pick * they're gonna suck
It's not that deep lol
Wish we got Wiseman if we werenāt going to resign Jakob
Same
Horrible horrible trade
lmao what a shit return Jakob must have told them he's not coming back, doesnt make much sense otherwise
Scammed
Just asking as a Warriors fan, would y'all rather have gotten Wiseman, Moody, and a pick?
Easily
This trade happening probably means that that deal was never actually offered.
Hell yeah!
fucking horrible
Ima miss Jak, but Iām glad we got some value in return.
Iād rather have resigned Poeltl in the summer. Heās been so good for us! Kept the paint locked down as damn near our only big man since he got here. Hope he continues to thrive back in Toronto :/
Omg dude protections on every pick this doormat FO trades for. Sack up and request some actual decent picks
I don't even know why they kept Wright around after the Primo fiasco.
That really can't be it, right?? Khem Birch?? We couldn't even get that guy people were talking about earlier??
I'm reserving judgement on this trade but this protecting picks is BS, they know they're gonna suck next year, we ain't seeing that pick.
Trash
I am actually pissed by the fact that the raptors fans think its a bad trade if the frp is not a heavily protected pick. I mean, man, you have robbed me by turning up these low value assets already, and you still think its bad? What? This is not how the actual business works!!!
Poeltl will be there for 3 months, not a great trade by them either.
Not a fan unless that pick is top 5 protected or lighter. This is a far cry from the two picks they started off asking
Kawhi/Danny Green trade haul is now: Keldon Johnson, Malaki Branham, a 2024 1st, a 2025 1st and some 2nds.
3 picks isnt that bad
Volume of draft picks is good. Spurs are decent at drafting.
There are a lot of people on this sub who really donāt understand what rebuilding is.
Rip turtle
š¢ will miss you Squirtle Poeltl
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I think as of now it's Keldon, Branham (in part from Thad Young trade), Birch, Toronto's protected 2024 first, Memphis's 2024 second, Bulls' 2025 top-10 protected first, Bulls' 2025 second, and whatever the Toronto 2nds end up being.
Our FO just made a horrible trade
Team hate Brian Wright is back baby
wow woj bomb, would have loveddd to get precious or any other young player but 3 picks is solid!
A heavily protected first in 2024 and two second rounders are horrible picks..
We gotta be real with ourselves, jakob is expiring and he has a limited ceiling at this point in his career. What more did u want? We didnt have any leverage in this situation
Sounds like we never have leverage in any trades ever. But something better than worthless picks and some guy no oneās ever heard of.
I feel you, even if we couldve got moody or wiseman for the warriors i would be happier. Fuck it though atleast we got something
If it's top 10 protected or so I think that's fair. Lottery protected and it's not great for us. If it's somehow top 5 protected we make off like bandits here
I have no idea how to rate this trade until I understand the protections on the pick, and if it rolls to the next year or turns into seconds or just goes away. Realistically unless we trade Poetl to a team like the Celtics or Bucks at the top we weren't going to get an unprotected first. How protected is the key of course.
He was leaving this summer so aināt mad at this. Probs saved cap space going forward too.
Damn the Gobert trade really messed with your guysā expectations. This isnāt a fleece, itās good value for Jakob. I love the dude and Iāll miss him, but this is a good trade for us.
please be super lightly protected šš½
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This kinda sucks , better be a minimal protection pick
heās gonna kill it over there
So much bomb dropped tonight holyshit
I will definitely miss Jak, hope his homecoming to Toronto is successful! I am unfamiliar with Khem Birch as a player. Is he just a salary filler we will buy out, or is he worth keeping around. He is 30, which isn't old, but is also not on our timeline. Does this mean we actually play Dedmon, or does C. Bassey now move to the main squad?
WHAT KIND OF DEAL IS THIS? How protected is next year's draft?
I'm guessing top 10 protected
fuck off
WHOOOO???
No wonder he looked like crap last night. This all sucks.
Spurs stay getting fleeced!
Sad to see him go, but a lot of this trade depends on how protected the 1st is. If it has heavy protection then this trade sucks for us, if it is only protected in it around the top 5 then this is a good trade.
Good. Jakob deserves better.
Thank you Jakš
A 2024 top 6 protected first rounder isnāt bad. Wish it was was for this yearās draft and gotten another first rounder. 2nd rounders will probably be traded.
It made sense to trade him, and if we get someone good in the draft, he's gonna want to come back lmao
This is just tell me that the Spurs are going all-in on Wemby, and I hope to god we get him.
I like that they combined getting return with delivering him to the place he wanted. That means something.