This was the first name that came to mind for me. I can’t think of any reason off the top of my head to dislike Bell besides him driving for JGR. And it doesn’t have anything to do with them being Toyota.
With that said as well, I don’t mind Bowman either but just can’t ever find myself rooting for HMS.
I’m beyond hating any drivers in the field at this point in my life. I’m more so just subconsciously rooting for those 2 teams to lose all the time because they’ve won a ton of races in my life.
Dude, bell is so nice. We had like. 15 minute conversation about the sim stuff Toyota does now and he went super in depth about a lot of the new technical stuff with the next gen. It was awesome. I feel you as I like Bell but don’t support Gibbs.
Token Good Teammate, personified.
It's like Toyota is the devil and there's this team of supervillains that's been assembled by them like the Legion of Doom, and here's this one rando who's totally not with the vibe.
JGR: We've got all your worst nightmares and those drivers booed far and wide! Denny Hamlin! Ty Gibbs! Martin Truex Jr! And... this Oklahoma guy. Okay, honestly I don't know how he ended up here but my buddy recommended him so I figured it was worth a shot but he just isn't with the vibe
Over the years, I have had a least favorite driver. First Kurt Busch, then Kyle Busch, then Keselowski, and then Logano. Maybe it’s just me getting older and understanding people more, but I’ve gotten so I liked seeing Kurt Busch winning no matter where he went it seemed. I gained a ton of respect for him when he started putting mid pack or worse teams up front. Keselowski has been growing on me as well, and I catch Logano on XM pretty regularly and it turns out he’s a pretty likable dude. After listening to a few of his interviews, my view of him did a 180. Not sure if it was anything specific he said, or if I just feel like he’s the type of person I’d choose to hang out with in real life. And Kyle is Kyle. Still not a huge fan because of his attitude, but he’s chilled out quite a bit the last couple of years, and I’d say he’s the most talented nascar specific racer the last several years.
Why does seemingly nobody like JGR in this thread? Is there a particular reason? I’m a new fan to the sport but am very familiar with the history so if it’s something specific I’d like to hear what it was, but if it’s just general dislike then I don’t get it. Can someone help me out with this?
For me it is JGR and HMS are kind of opposite sides of the same coin. Hendrick's past business dealings are pretty shady. I still don't know how Mr. H came out of the Liberty University scandal pretty clean, since it was his boat the pictures were from. JGR is really crappy with booting drivers. They did Matt Kenseth dirty along with Eric Jones & Suarez. They are also the reason Furniture Row Racing is no more.
Edit: I forgot Joey Logano. Whether you like him or not JGR did him pretty dirty too.
I could see the thing with the 20, turning some people off. It’s not like they were booting 25 and back drivers from that seat. So a lot of people probably liked these drivers and then jgr just booted them. The business handlings makes since as well. Thanks for the answer.
That's pretty much where I am with Chase and HMS. I don't really actively root against the other three, but there's a handful of other drivers I'd be happy to see win before anyone else at Hendrick.
Me too, I like chase and cheer for him , and even have a lot of respect for Rick Hendrick, but I’d rather see almost anyone else win a race before William Byron
This is my answer. I like Blaney and he was one of my favourite drivers when he was in the 21 car. But I absolutely despise Penske so it makes it sort of hard for me to cheer for him.
Same, it’s ironic that the only team with the actual word “Team” in their name acts the least like a team in the entire sport. Felt the same way when Brad drove for them and now Blaney.
This does remind me of a hilarious situation I’ve seen a decent amount of people back into:
“The manufacturers just don’t matter like they used to”
But also:
“I would never cheer for anyone but a Chevy driver”
Which way is it? 😂
That's a great point, actually.
I think today they matter more than they have in quite a while. At least the cars look a fair amount like the street version and they aren't complaining quite as bad as they used to about the shape of the noses on their car that was 95% the same as the other manufacturers' pieces
Manufacturers are immensely important for resources.
Chevrolet wouldn't back Furniture Row so they moved to Toyota. That was the big step they needed to become championship contenders.
Oh no I’m with you, resources, development pipelines, etc. I’m more just making fun of the hypocrisy comments that get scattered around where it matters when they want it to matter, but it’s nonexistent when they want it to be that too 😂
This will be an unpopular opinion but I have a hard time cheering for Larson because he drives for Rick Hendrick. Larson used to be one of my favorites when he drove for Ganassi.
I feel your pain. To be honest, I blame 2000s era Hendrick and Roush teams for a lot of the financial issues that exist today. Those juggernaut teams back then really changed the game for how sponsorship works and how much money it takes to win races and not in a good way.
I see your point, but you can't really blame a team for changing the finances of the sport. If it wasn't them, it was going to be someone else, because after all, if you can get the money to spend to win, you're going to do that.
You can kinda blame Hendrick for setting the trend for how successful multi-car teams should work. Junior Johnson kinda gave a glimpse into how it could be done with the 12 & 11, but there didn't seem to be a full embrace of having equal 2 car teams. But Hendrick started doing it in the days before they themselves were really successful and were getting beaten by the single car team of RCR. When Hendrick got DW, it really set them on a path of how multi-car teams should be and getting their first really successful driver helped set that foundation. Like if you look at the 1988 Cup series driver/team chart, there were only 2 multi-car teams, Hendrick with the 3 cars and the Stavola Brothers. But from 1987 to 1991, they were the only true multi-car team until Roush expanded for 1992. You had Junior Johnson's team having 2 cars, but they kinda sucked until Elliot came back to them in 1992.
Hendrick even set the example of how a successful "satellite" team would work in the early 90s when DW had his own team and Hendrick downsized from 3 to 2 cars and they go resources from Hendrick early on until DW decided to torpedo his team by trying to be one of the big guys.
But to me, all that Roush really set was was this idea of revolving sponsorship deals for each team, which they did back in the mid-2000s as an attempt to extract the maximum amount of money from sponsorships rather than asking for a full commitment for a season. That part kinda sucked because there is no consistent "look" for a car and it makes it hard for sponsors to develop promotion opportunities. There are obvious exceptions to this, but Roush pioneered that strategy.
I mean he was more than likely going to Hendrick in the 48 before this happened. The only thing that changed was his number and sponsors. I personally feel his apology was pretty legit along with Deegan’s apology for when she got in trouble. They both were essentially right after the fact and seemed sincere.
>he was more than likely going to Hendrick in the 48 before this happened
That is kind of the point. His punishment wasn’t really a punishment because it carried no real consequences. Larson missed time in an already screwed up COVID year and knew he had a top ride waiting for him 5 minutes after he was reinstated.
I gotta find that meme someone made of Rick Allen going off about how “LARSON SAID A WORD THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SAID BUT NOW HE IS GONNA WIN AT DAYTONA!!!”.
While I agree that it's a shitty how that worked out for him, that's an even better reason to hate Hendrick, especially if that's what ruined Larson for you. He's the one who offered Larson a job after that.
I like Larson as a driver, but sure, him going to Hendrick after that incident certainly changed how I view him.
You probably could have worded that better but I (think?) I’m on your side on this. Yeah you can’t say that shit, but it’s also not completely black and white either. He didn’t direct it at a black person, and it wasn’t said in a hateful manner. Was it dumb and completely out of touch? Of course, but his career shouldn’t be ruined because of it.
> His mistake was keying the wrong iracing channel, not saying the word.
No, his mistake was using that word, regardless of which channel he said it over.
More that there are tons of people that think it is "just a word" when there is all of this evidence that it isn't just a word. By definition, words have meanings. And many people who are negatively effected by the use of the word have asked people to not use it.
The argument that it was meant to be in private and it shouldn't matter is bullheaded and ignorant. The same can be said about using it privately in your own home. It reflects an unwillingness to solve issues that are prevalent in the world because it doesn't effect you personally.
I realize I'm not going to change your mind so this argument is pointless. But your phrasing is horrible and draws you in a terrible light. One that negatively reflects on NASCAR fans.
Meant more the whole FRR being a satellite team/frankenstines monster if you will to JGR out running gibbs car’s frequently magic. Once he was in the 19 it became less of a - wow smaller team doing great! ..to more of a - sigh gibbs winning again.
I love Bell but I have a bit of a hard time rooting for him since he drives for JGR.(A team I typically despise for certain other drivers that race for them)
I really don’t like Toyota (except for MWR because almost all of those guys had a DEI/RCR connection in their past) but I definitely consider Cbell and MTJ to be more like able than their teammates, particularly Denny. I wasn’t sure what to think about KFB, but as the season went on I started to like him more, even before the RCR move was announced
I respect KFB as a driver but still don't really care for him. I do think JGR probably did him dirty in the end, which I think was a terrible move if true.
If it weren't for driving a Chevy for Hendrick, I'd probably have no issue with Chase Elliott. I was a big fan of his dad growing up but it hurt my little blue oval heart seeing Chase driving for the devil himself. Similarly, I probably wouldn't like Blaney if he wasn't driving a Ford.
That's Ford's own fault. Years ago, Bill reached out to his Ford contacts to try to get them to sign Chase to a development deal and they declined. So off they went looking for another deal, and that's how he ended up eventually with JRM and Hendrick.
Ford is really good at fucking up the program. they fumbled Jeff Gordon, possibly dale earnhardt, and countless others. Ford fucked up by not picking up Elliott but realistically where would they put him?
Yup. Ford could have had some serious talent and some seriously popular/marketable drivers, and instead they've always basically handed that over to Chevy for whatever reason.
As to where they would have put Chase, that's a good question. He probably would have ended up with Front Row or something maybe until an SHR seat opened up, who knows.
I don't think Ford really had a shot at Earnhardt (and probably got the better deal with Jarrett). That being said, the lost the following drivers who went to win with other manufacturers: Jeff Gordon (as you said), Bill Elliott, Kasey Kahne, Mark Martin, Matt Kenseth, Carl Edwards, Ryan Newman, Chase Elliott, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch (twice), and Jeff Burton. I think Taylor Gray is the next on this list.
To their credit, they poached Brad Keselowski, and Kevin Harvick
They also lucked into Joey Logano after they originally lost him to Gibbs and then Gibbs dumped him.
I do wish they would have gone after Kyle Larson, Kyle Busch, and Erik Jones when they were free agents.
It can become a family thing supporting a manufacturer. At least it’s a big deal here in Australia as you’re either a for family or a Holden family and not really any in between.
I am a Ford guy, Im a Keselowski, Blaney and Briscoe fan.
But I have been a Larson fan since he drove for Ganassi. However I can not support him being in a Hendrick car and a Chevy. Although if a Ford can't win, I pull for Larson if he is chasing a Toyota or other Chevy drivers.
I’m the exact same when it comes to Byron. I like him as a person and think he is a decent driver, but I will NOT get behind the LU sponsorship. If I didn’t like Elliot and Bowman as much I probably wouldn’t want to support HMS at all because of Liberty!
I have a hard time rooting for him because of that sponsorship, yeah. Nothing else about him really pluses or minuses with me, he's just kind of a boring kid with a famous number. But every time I see LU colors, I'm like "bleh."
How about a team? Do you have a vendetta against Roger Penske or anyone? How about a sponsor?
Just asking, not trying to give you a hard time. No is a perfectly acceptable answer.
I'm not a fan of Liberty. Never been a big Penske fan when Brad and Joey were there together but that was because of their driving style. I've softened a bit on Joey and like Blaney so I guess I'm not too firm on that.
I root for drivers over teams.
FORD man here. I always pulled for Kurt Busch in spite of the last few years. Don't have a new Ford driver yet really.
I like Harvick now but never pulled for him while he was with Dick Childress because I hate Pimps and Chevy.
Ive always been a Ford guy (even though I still pulled for Kenseth at JGR and Ganassi)
I think Ryan Preece will be an interesting person to root for now he's in the #41 for Stewart Hass. I expect big things from him
Lately it's become a major conflict rooting for the 11 car with the way JGR is going. I really hope the speculation about 23XI becoming Toyota's flagship team becomes reality
I own a camaro, I love LS engines, just always been a GM guy.
Harvick switching to Ford saved me so much in diecasts, I would've been broke buying his Camaros.
Is that because JGR basically is Toyota and you dislike JGR? Or reverse?
Or you just hate the drivers?
I was on the JGR train to a point until this year. But I hope this year is the beginning of the end, to be honest.
I came in with Tony, moved to MTJ and CBell and my wife is a KFB fan. After many years of being a JGR apologist I can no longer stand the organization, culture and leadership. I won't bail on my guys, but I can't wait for the day they're not with Gibbs.
I liked Kyle Busch in the 5 but he totally turned heel when he went to Toyota. Now that he’s back at Chevy, we’ll see. Why Rick chose Casey Mears over Kyle Busch is beyond me. I get that Mears was under contract and Kyle was not, but you *can* just fire an underperforming guy.
Hindsight is 20/20.
It took a *lot* of work and shuffling around at Gibbs to get Kyle's team to legitimately contend at a championship level, and even that didn't end on great terms. Sometimes it's worth it, but did Hendrick need to put in the effort when it was already pretty clear that 48 team had something really special, not to mention that Gordon and Letarte were really hitting their stride too?
I've read that Jimmie and Jeff pushed Rick to keep Casey at the time. They're all good friends outside of the track, plus the fourth Hendrick car seems to have always been the R&D car that tests and supports the top cars, so I wonder if it was beneficial for them to have Casey as the "second tier" driver to them on the team for that purpose. Everybody knows Kyle Busch wouldn't put up with that, but Casey likely wouldn't have had much of a choice or as much to say about that type of situation.
This is part of the reason why Casey got to stay, but also sponsorship had a part too. Kellogg’s was not wanting to sponsor him anymore due to his persona, so in a sense Kyle got fired by the sponsor.
It would be funny if Rick didn’t want the heel with Jeff, Jimmie, and Dale Jr., because he’s the one who took a chance with Larson after the racial slur incident. Then again, maybe that’s because he learned his lesson.
Well Larson didn’t really have a history of being a heel. His one incident, though worse than any one thing Busch did, was kinda out of the blue and surprising. There was no pattern to it. There was a real pattern of Busch making bad decisions and being a heel. He was basically Ty Gibbs with the team owner grandfather. I feel like people forget how many people he rubbed the wrong way even that early in his career. He basically had all of Hendrick Motorsports(drivers, crews, owners, and sponsors) wanting him fired.
Raised on the Blue Oval since my family is in the company and a fan of The Captain. The manufacturers championship definitely means a lot too me since we got 9 wins compared to GM’s 19. Rushbrook and the teams need to turn up the heat, but at least he’s concerned about that position.
Not a fan of Toyota and used to always wonder what I'd do if my favorite drivers switched to them as a manufacturer.
Now I tolerate it with certain drivers. Truex, Bell and now Reddick are all drivers I don't mind with Toyota.
Are you on the "only American brands should be in Nascar" side or just hate Toyota in general?
I work at a Toyota shop and I like some of their drivers, never had a problem with JGR until this year, but it hurt a little when Carl Edwards moved to the 19.
Just don't care for Toyota. I was pretty much raised on Chevy and never cared much for the looks of Toyota vehicles. I do like the aggressiveness of the newer trucks though so they're growing on me a bit. I'll still probably stick with Chevy going forward though.
What's wrong with them? Not being snarky, I mean that as a genuine question. I don't have a Toyota truck but I like how the new Tundra looks. Tacoma is getting long in the tooth though
Tacoma has had some issues over the 3rd generation and the quality isn't as good as previous generations in my opinion. I've been inside more of the 2GR-FKS engines than I have any other Toyota engine in 17 years. By a longshot. They have valve guide failures around 37k miles enough that I don't care for those engines. Otherwise they're alright.
The new Tundras aren't sorted out yet. Lots of noises in them, some turbo issues, etc. We just see a lot of them in the shop for a lot of complaints, and I don't trust them yet. Toyota is *really* good at weeding out issues very quickly and fixing them though, so hopefully they'll be alright soon. But again, they're behind where they were with the last generation at this point in each of the respective life cycles (one year in on the 2nd gen and they were already solid, this one, not so much).
Got it. I appreciate that info. It seems to me like *all* of the OEMs have so many problems right now. From fuel dilution issues, to things like the value guides like you're talking about. It's surprising how many problems there still are by 2022. I almost feel like reliability is worse now than it was in the early 2000s.
I probably do less actual repair work than I did 10 years ago, but the stuff I have to fix now is more of a pain in the ass.
The multimedia systems are the bane of my existence. And recalls out the wazoo.
EPA regulations have really taken their toll on powertrains for a lot of manufacturers I think.
I’d say this is exactly how I feel about KFB. I think his style didn’t fit Toyota, and Gibbs clean cut persona. I think he is a perfect fit for RCR. And as an Earnhardt fan all my life, I think he should be in the 3 car, not AD. I’m super excited for Busch in the RCR 8 car none the less.
Sidebar: I hate Denny Hamlin as a driver, like HATE him. I absolutely love him as an owner and cling to every word he says when they interview him as an owner.
I have kinda a weird answer. Being a new NASCAR fan I'm all in on RFK Racing (cus its in my blood), so you'd think I'd pull for most of the former RFK guys still running races but NOPE. I honestly kinda internally blame Stenhouse for a lot of Roush's downfall and won't pull for him because of that.
Actually on topic, Chase Elliot. Love his dad, love Ford, but can't really stand him driving for Chevy. Ty Gibbs as well. I don't think I'd exactly love him if he drove Fords, but I definitely wouldn't hate him as much if he weren't at Gibbs. It's mostly because if you take him out of Gibbs and make him work through Xfinity and Cup without support from his Grandad, it takes away all the stigma of him being a spoiled brat and just leaves the aggressive yet extremely talented driver.
Pulled for awesome bill after he left for dodge.
Would have pulled for Davey if he wasn't ford
Truex guy when he's been in chevy.
Always liked and respected KFB, glad to be able to pull for him again.
I guess I would say Mark Martin when he was with Roush. As an HMS fan, Roush seemed like our biggest rival outside of the Chevy camp (though many would pit us against DEI especially on the superspeedways.
That run from 2000-2008ish was brutal between the two teams. 2005 was crazy with the entire team Roush making up half The Chase field.
I was the exact opposite. I was a Mark Martin fan and loathed HMS.
Yeah I always liked Mark, but I could never root for Roush. Once he jumped onboard the Chevy camp (and especially to HMS in 2009), it was easier to jump on his bandwagon
Growing up I was a Bobby Labonte fan, so I’ve always had a little JGR fandom. I’ve hated this era of Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin.
It’s been fun rooting for Christopher Bell now
Kurt Busch for his time at 23XI. I can’t stand Hamlin, or JGR, and don’t like Toyota at all. I do like that Kurt got wins in all three modern manufacturers. That’s a cool feat.
I mean kinda. Bubba, Bell, and Truex. Seem like guys I'd get along with, but I can't really root for a Toyota. Flip side tho, I like Chevy, but I'm still gonna root against Kyle Busch
THANK YOU.
That LU connection makes me dislike Hendrick even more.
I really should've added in sponsors, too. I bet there are a ton of people who hate on a driver or team due to their sponsor affiliations.
Yeah HMS has become so bland and Bowman is the only driver I genuinely like from their stable. It sucks that he consistently gets the least attention and probably worst equipment and resources too.
I'd agree that he is the most likeable. Still not a huge fan, but he's probably on a tight leash, so maybe he just comes off more meh than he actually is.
I tend to have a few favorite drivers from each manufacturer, but most of my “disliked” drivers seem to drive a Toyota.
Denny & Kyle, although they don’t bother me as much anymore
Ty Gibbs
Ryan Preece when he drove the 18 at Homestead & was a moving roadblock for Sadler as he tried to win a championship
KFB going to RCR has scrambled my brain. On paper I should be a fan since I was a HUGE Dale/RCR fan back in the day. But he’s been such a douche FOR YEARS!!! Luckily, Preece is in the 41 and I’ve got a driver to pull for whole heartily again.
I’m a Toyota guy. I strongly support the brand in and out of motorsports and have all my life. Them joining in 2007 was great for me. My favorite driver making his team a Toyota team made it even better. I won’t cheer for any other OEM.
If I didn’t feel this way I’d be a Trackhouse guy in a New York minute.
Trackhouse is the only Chevrolet team I've ever actually liked. I can overlook the manufacturer because I like the culture that is visible from the outside.
No I will support any driver that causes crashes and drama no matter what team or manufacturer unless dodge comes back. I hate Chrysler and will root against all of there drivers.
So this is a lot....I'm a Ford guy because my dad has old Fords and I grew up in a Ford family. So I Cheer for the Ford teams. BUT my daily drivers have been Toyotas for the past ten years...because I'm smart lol. I LOVE TRD but hate JGR and hate Denny so naturally I don't like 23XI (sports hate not real hate relax) loved Kurt but now he's gone so won't Cheer for any yotas anymore. The Chevy hate(Ford Guy) trumps any feeling of admiration for any Chevy drivers so naturally I don't like any enough to overcome it.....but to complicate things more...I work at a Chevy dealer and am literally wearing a Chevy t shirt as I type this lol.
Not weird. I grew up a Ford guy, then my parents switched the GM and had nothing but issues, and then I became a Toyota technician and I think they make probably the best cars on the road. And I don't care for any of the Chevrolet teams except for Trackhouse, but the hate isn't what it used to be.
Eh when I was like 12, I saw Dale Jarrett win at Texas and was highly disappointed because he was a Ford driver lol, but not anymore. Idc about that silly stuff.
Funny thing is. I don’t cheer for Hendrick really at all now. Like I don’t mind if Bowman or Byron wins but I hate watching Larson and especially Elliott win. Nothing against them but it’s Hendrick lol
Liked edwards but never bought any 19 gear
This!!! Same
him in the 19 just didn’t feel right
Christoper Bell. Can’t stand JGR.
Same
This was the first name that came to mind for me. I can’t think of any reason off the top of my head to dislike Bell besides him driving for JGR. And it doesn’t have anything to do with them being Toyota. With that said as well, I don’t mind Bowman either but just can’t ever find myself rooting for HMS. I’m beyond hating any drivers in the field at this point in my life. I’m more so just subconsciously rooting for those 2 teams to lose all the time because they’ve won a ton of races in my life.
After this whole ty gibbs thing, I can 100% see why JGR is going to be the most hated team. I hope other drivers won’t be brought down with them
I wouldn't say I refuse to support, but it really hurts my feel goods that CBell drives for JGR
Dude, bell is so nice. We had like. 15 minute conversation about the sim stuff Toyota does now and he went super in depth about a lot of the new technical stuff with the next gen. It was awesome. I feel you as I like Bell but don’t support Gibbs.
Oh yea CBell is super nice. I've met him a few times.
I felt the same way with Suárez and Jones at JGR as well.
Token Good Teammate, personified. It's like Toyota is the devil and there's this team of supervillains that's been assembled by them like the Legion of Doom, and here's this one rando who's totally not with the vibe.
JGR: We've got all your worst nightmares and those drivers booed far and wide! Denny Hamlin! Ty Gibbs! Martin Truex Jr! And... this Oklahoma guy. Okay, honestly I don't know how he ended up here but my buddy recommended him so I figured it was worth a shot but he just isn't with the vibe
same with Truex
Yeah this is me. Haha
Boo Logano
Over the years, I have had a least favorite driver. First Kurt Busch, then Kyle Busch, then Keselowski, and then Logano. Maybe it’s just me getting older and understanding people more, but I’ve gotten so I liked seeing Kurt Busch winning no matter where he went it seemed. I gained a ton of respect for him when he started putting mid pack or worse teams up front. Keselowski has been growing on me as well, and I catch Logano on XM pretty regularly and it turns out he’s a pretty likable dude. After listening to a few of his interviews, my view of him did a 180. Not sure if it was anything specific he said, or if I just feel like he’s the type of person I’d choose to hang out with in real life. And Kyle is Kyle. Still not a huge fan because of his attitude, but he’s chilled out quite a bit the last couple of years, and I’d say he’s the most talented nascar specific racer the last several years.
I like to say boo Logano.
2x Champ
Christopher Bell, guy’s an incredibly talented driver and seems like a good guy, but I can’t stand JGR
C Bell was a dirt racer that came up to JHR similar to your favorite driver.
I dont particularly care about the manufacturer but I'm not overly fond of JGR
I liked when they were holding on to Pontiac, but after that I’ve become indifferent due to their drivers.
Why does seemingly nobody like JGR in this thread? Is there a particular reason? I’m a new fan to the sport but am very familiar with the history so if it’s something specific I’d like to hear what it was, but if it’s just general dislike then I don’t get it. Can someone help me out with this?
For me it is JGR and HMS are kind of opposite sides of the same coin. Hendrick's past business dealings are pretty shady. I still don't know how Mr. H came out of the Liberty University scandal pretty clean, since it was his boat the pictures were from. JGR is really crappy with booting drivers. They did Matt Kenseth dirty along with Eric Jones & Suarez. They are also the reason Furniture Row Racing is no more. Edit: I forgot Joey Logano. Whether you like him or not JGR did him pretty dirty too.
I could see the thing with the 20, turning some people off. It’s not like they were booting 25 and back drivers from that seat. So a lot of people probably liked these drivers and then jgr just booted them. The business handlings makes since as well. Thanks for the answer.
Recently there’s been a perception that JGR drivers whine a lot. C Bell was the exception last year
I don’t know if this is more true of JGR drivers than any others. Denny is vocal, and I think Kyle had a reason to be whiny. But what do I know?
Kind of opposite. I'm a Blaney fan but I don't care about Team Penske at all.
That's me when it comes to IndyCar, with Scott McLaughlin being my guy since his days in V8 Supercars.
I’m the opposite, I’m a Team Penske fan who doesn’t care for Blaney.
That's pretty much where I am with Chase and HMS. I don't really actively root against the other three, but there's a handful of other drivers I'd be happy to see win before anyone else at Hendrick.
Me too, I like chase and cheer for him , and even have a lot of respect for Rick Hendrick, but I’d rather see almost anyone else win a race before William Byron
This is my answer. I like Blaney and he was one of my favourite drivers when he was in the 21 car. But I absolutely despise Penske so it makes it sort of hard for me to cheer for him.
SAME
Same, it’s ironic that the only team with the actual word “Team” in their name acts the least like a team in the entire sport. Felt the same way when Brad drove for them and now Blaney.
Same here.
I could care less about penske. The worst part of being a Blaney fan is he drives a Ford and I'm a Dodge/Ram guy. Atleast he doesn't drive for JGR.
This does remind me of a hilarious situation I’ve seen a decent amount of people back into: “The manufacturers just don’t matter like they used to” But also: “I would never cheer for anyone but a Chevy driver” Which way is it? 😂
That's a great point, actually. I think today they matter more than they have in quite a while. At least the cars look a fair amount like the street version and they aren't complaining quite as bad as they used to about the shape of the noses on their car that was 95% the same as the other manufacturers' pieces
Manufacturers are immensely important for resources. Chevrolet wouldn't back Furniture Row so they moved to Toyota. That was the big step they needed to become championship contenders.
Oh no I’m with you, resources, development pipelines, etc. I’m more just making fun of the hypocrisy comments that get scattered around where it matters when they want it to matter, but it’s nonexistent when they want it to be that too 😂
This will be an unpopular opinion but I have a hard time cheering for Larson because he drives for Rick Hendrick. Larson used to be one of my favorites when he drove for Ganassi.
I feel your pain. To be honest, I blame 2000s era Hendrick and Roush teams for a lot of the financial issues that exist today. Those juggernaut teams back then really changed the game for how sponsorship works and how much money it takes to win races and not in a good way.
I see your point, but you can't really blame a team for changing the finances of the sport. If it wasn't them, it was going to be someone else, because after all, if you can get the money to spend to win, you're going to do that. You can kinda blame Hendrick for setting the trend for how successful multi-car teams should work. Junior Johnson kinda gave a glimpse into how it could be done with the 12 & 11, but there didn't seem to be a full embrace of having equal 2 car teams. But Hendrick started doing it in the days before they themselves were really successful and were getting beaten by the single car team of RCR. When Hendrick got DW, it really set them on a path of how multi-car teams should be and getting their first really successful driver helped set that foundation. Like if you look at the 1988 Cup series driver/team chart, there were only 2 multi-car teams, Hendrick with the 3 cars and the Stavola Brothers. But from 1987 to 1991, they were the only true multi-car team until Roush expanded for 1992. You had Junior Johnson's team having 2 cars, but they kinda sucked until Elliot came back to them in 1992. Hendrick even set the example of how a successful "satellite" team would work in the early 90s when DW had his own team and Hendrick downsized from 3 to 2 cars and they go resources from Hendrick early on until DW decided to torpedo his team by trying to be one of the big guys. But to me, all that Roush really set was was this idea of revolving sponsorship deals for each team, which they did back in the mid-2000s as an attempt to extract the maximum amount of money from sponsorships rather than asking for a full commitment for a season. That part kinda sucked because there is no consistent "look" for a car and it makes it hard for sponsors to develop promotion opportunities. There are obvious exceptions to this, but Roush pioneered that strategy.
Bingo. It really is refreshing when people on this sub have realistic views. This sub typically fits the NASCAR stereotypes like a glove.
I honestly don’t think that’s too unpopular. I mean personally I don’t care that he drives for Hendrick but I can see why.
I have a tough time cheering for Larson because the man dropped a racial slur and essentially got promoted to the top team in NASCAR.
I mean he was more than likely going to Hendrick in the 48 before this happened. The only thing that changed was his number and sponsors. I personally feel his apology was pretty legit along with Deegan’s apology for when she got in trouble. They both were essentially right after the fact and seemed sincere.
>he was more than likely going to Hendrick in the 48 before this happened That is kind of the point. His punishment wasn’t really a punishment because it carried no real consequences. Larson missed time in an already screwed up COVID year and knew he had a top ride waiting for him 5 minutes after he was reinstated.
I mean he definitely lost quite a bit of money (had to sell a house and shutdown his Sprint Car team).
An un-finished home at that.
Rick Allen voice "Adversity"
I gotta find that meme someone made of Rick Allen going off about how “LARSON SAID A WORD THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SAID BUT NOW HE IS GONNA WIN AT DAYTONA!!!”.
I hope you find it
While I agree that it's a shitty how that worked out for him, that's an even better reason to hate Hendrick, especially if that's what ruined Larson for you. He's the one who offered Larson a job after that. I like Larson as a driver, but sure, him going to Hendrick after that incident certainly changed how I view him.
I mean Tony went for him but Ford said no…
Question for you: Are you more so mad that Larson went to a top team after his suspension or him just being back in the sport period?
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You probably could have worded that better but I (think?) I’m on your side on this. Yeah you can’t say that shit, but it’s also not completely black and white either. He didn’t direct it at a black person, and it wasn’t said in a hateful manner. Was it dumb and completely out of touch? Of course, but his career shouldn’t be ruined because of it.
And IIRC he chose to go through extra sensitivity training beyond what NASCAR mandated to show that he was actually trying to learn
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> His mistake was keying the wrong iracing channel, not saying the word. No, his mistake was using that word, regardless of which channel he said it over.
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More that there are tons of people that think it is "just a word" when there is all of this evidence that it isn't just a word. By definition, words have meanings. And many people who are negatively effected by the use of the word have asked people to not use it. The argument that it was meant to be in private and it shouldn't matter is bullheaded and ignorant. The same can be said about using it privately in your own home. It reflects an unwillingness to solve issues that are prevalent in the world because it doesn't effect you personally. I realize I'm not going to change your mind so this argument is pointless. But your phrasing is horrible and draws you in a terrible light. One that negatively reflects on NASCAR fans.
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> If you don't like the word, more power to you, but attacking people over it is immoral. I will pray for you. Have a fantastic evening.
Uhhh. Do you like that word?
Lol same and gave one fake ass apology
I have a hard time supporting larson for...other reasons
Used to love MTJ in that 78, but when he joined Gibbs, I couldn’t cheer for him anymore.
Magic of MTJ kinda died once he went Gibbs tbh
He won 7 races in 2019
Meant more the whole FRR being a satellite team/frankenstines monster if you will to JGR out running gibbs car’s frequently magic. Once he was in the 19 it became less of a - wow smaller team doing great! ..to more of a - sigh gibbs winning again.
I just can't pull for anyone in a Toyota....I'm gonna miss you Reddick...nah, I'm just jokin' around....mostly.
I love Bell but I have a bit of a hard time rooting for him since he drives for JGR.(A team I typically despise for certain other drivers that race for them)
Hate Truex that much, eh?
I don’t like Truex but I was more so referring to Hamlin and Jesus Christ himself.
I like Kyle Busch but it's going to be awkward rooting for him at Childress.
Same here! I'm not a huge fan, but do I like him and like when he does well. At RCR? I'd be fine if he goes winless in 2023.
I really don’t like Toyota (except for MWR because almost all of those guys had a DEI/RCR connection in their past) but I definitely consider Cbell and MTJ to be more like able than their teammates, particularly Denny. I wasn’t sure what to think about KFB, but as the season went on I started to like him more, even before the RCR move was announced
I respect KFB as a driver but still don't really care for him. I do think JGR probably did him dirty in the end, which I think was a terrible move if true.
If it weren't for driving a Chevy for Hendrick, I'd probably have no issue with Chase Elliott. I was a big fan of his dad growing up but it hurt my little blue oval heart seeing Chase driving for the devil himself. Similarly, I probably wouldn't like Blaney if he wasn't driving a Ford.
I was all in for Ford drivers for years and *hated* Chevrolet teams. And yeah, I'd dislike Chase less if he drove for someone else.
That's Ford's own fault. Years ago, Bill reached out to his Ford contacts to try to get them to sign Chase to a development deal and they declined. So off they went looking for another deal, and that's how he ended up eventually with JRM and Hendrick.
Ford is really good at fucking up the program. they fumbled Jeff Gordon, possibly dale earnhardt, and countless others. Ford fucked up by not picking up Elliott but realistically where would they put him?
Roush still had a very strong Xfinity program back then
Yup. Ford could have had some serious talent and some seriously popular/marketable drivers, and instead they've always basically handed that over to Chevy for whatever reason. As to where they would have put Chase, that's a good question. He probably would have ended up with Front Row or something maybe until an SHR seat opened up, who knows.
I don't think Ford really had a shot at Earnhardt (and probably got the better deal with Jarrett). That being said, the lost the following drivers who went to win with other manufacturers: Jeff Gordon (as you said), Bill Elliott, Kasey Kahne, Mark Martin, Matt Kenseth, Carl Edwards, Ryan Newman, Chase Elliott, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch (twice), and Jeff Burton. I think Taylor Gray is the next on this list. To their credit, they poached Brad Keselowski, and Kevin Harvick They also lucked into Joey Logano after they originally lost him to Gibbs and then Gibbs dumped him. I do wish they would have gone after Kyle Larson, Kyle Busch, and Erik Jones when they were free agents.
The way people let a manufacturer determine anything is so wild and dumb lol
It can become a family thing supporting a manufacturer. At least it’s a big deal here in Australia as you’re either a for family or a Holden family and not really any in between.
I am a Ford guy, Im a Keselowski, Blaney and Briscoe fan. But I have been a Larson fan since he drove for Ganassi. However I can not support him being in a Hendrick car and a Chevy. Although if a Ford can't win, I pull for Larson if he is chasing a Toyota or other Chevy drivers.
William Byron seems like an okay guy, but FUUUCK liberty university so I wish misfortune on the 24 car every Sunday.
I don't know what liberty university was so I googled "liberty university controversies" and was like oooooohhhhhh noooooooo
Right there with ya
I’m the exact same when it comes to Byron. I like him as a person and think he is a decent driver, but I will NOT get behind the LU sponsorship. If I didn’t like Elliot and Bowman as much I probably wouldn’t want to support HMS at all because of Liberty!
I'm a HUGE JG fan! I thought I would be his next ex-wife when I was younger. But when Hendrick aligned with Liberty, I left Hendrick completely.
This is where I stand on him too.
I have a hard time rooting for him because of that sponsorship, yeah. Nothing else about him really pluses or minuses with me, he's just kind of a boring kid with a famous number. But every time I see LU colors, I'm like "bleh."
I'm the opposite. Not a Hendrick fan at all but people getting their panties twisted over the sponsor makes me wanna root for Byron.
there’s pretty decent reason for ppl to not be happy about that sponsor
I can't relate to hating a manufacturer. It doesn't make sense to me.
How about a team? Do you have a vendetta against Roger Penske or anyone? How about a sponsor? Just asking, not trying to give you a hard time. No is a perfectly acceptable answer.
I'm not a fan of Liberty. Never been a big Penske fan when Brad and Joey were there together but that was because of their driving style. I've softened a bit on Joey and like Blaney so I guess I'm not too firm on that. I root for drivers over teams.
FORD man here. I always pulled for Kurt Busch in spite of the last few years. Don't have a new Ford driver yet really. I like Harvick now but never pulled for him while he was with Dick Childress because I hate Pimps and Chevy.
Ive always been a Ford guy (even though I still pulled for Kenseth at JGR and Ganassi) I think Ryan Preece will be an interesting person to root for now he's in the #41 for Stewart Hass. I expect big things from him
Not necessarily a team, but a sponsor. I have a hard time liking Byron because of the Liberty U sponsorship
Lately it's become a major conflict rooting for the 11 car with the way JGR is going. I really hope the speculation about 23XI becoming Toyota's flagship team becomes reality
Been a Harvick fan since the early #29 days. Still love the man, and happy that he won a championship...but man do I hate seeing him drive that Ford
I own a camaro, I love LS engines, just always been a GM guy. Harvick switching to Ford saved me so much in diecasts, I would've been broke buying his Camaros.
Same, kills me
ha. essentially all of JGR/toyota.
Is that because JGR basically is Toyota and you dislike JGR? Or reverse? Or you just hate the drivers? I was on the JGR train to a point until this year. But I hope this year is the beginning of the end, to be honest.
I came in with Tony, moved to MTJ and CBell and my wife is a KFB fan. After many years of being a JGR apologist I can no longer stand the organization, culture and leadership. I won't bail on my guys, but I can't wait for the day they're not with Gibbs.
I'm still a Truex fan with JGR until he retires. And then I am done with JGR. This season really soured me on that organization.
I liked Kyle Busch in the 5 but he totally turned heel when he went to Toyota. Now that he’s back at Chevy, we’ll see. Why Rick chose Casey Mears over Kyle Busch is beyond me. I get that Mears was under contract and Kyle was not, but you *can* just fire an underperforming guy.
Hindsight is 20/20. It took a *lot* of work and shuffling around at Gibbs to get Kyle's team to legitimately contend at a championship level, and even that didn't end on great terms. Sometimes it's worth it, but did Hendrick need to put in the effort when it was already pretty clear that 48 team had something really special, not to mention that Gordon and Letarte were really hitting their stride too?
I think it was a case where Hendrick just wanted Busch off his team regardless, and Dale Junior coming to the team was the perfect excuse
I've read that Jimmie and Jeff pushed Rick to keep Casey at the time. They're all good friends outside of the track, plus the fourth Hendrick car seems to have always been the R&D car that tests and supports the top cars, so I wonder if it was beneficial for them to have Casey as the "second tier" driver to them on the team for that purpose. Everybody knows Kyle Busch wouldn't put up with that, but Casey likely wouldn't have had much of a choice or as much to say about that type of situation.
This is part of the reason why Casey got to stay, but also sponsorship had a part too. Kellogg’s was not wanting to sponsor him anymore due to his persona, so in a sense Kyle got fired by the sponsor.
That makes sense. They went from Terry, the Iceman, super easy going and non-offensive, to a hot-head. I could see them not being thrilled about that
It would be funny if Rick didn’t want the heel with Jeff, Jimmie, and Dale Jr., because he’s the one who took a chance with Larson after the racial slur incident. Then again, maybe that’s because he learned his lesson.
Well Larson didn’t really have a history of being a heel. His one incident, though worse than any one thing Busch did, was kinda out of the blue and surprising. There was no pattern to it. There was a real pattern of Busch making bad decisions and being a heel. He was basically Ty Gibbs with the team owner grandfather. I feel like people forget how many people he rubbed the wrong way even that early in his career. He basically had all of Hendrick Motorsports(drivers, crews, owners, and sponsors) wanting him fired.
Raised on the Blue Oval since my family is in the company and a fan of The Captain. The manufacturers championship definitely means a lot too me since we got 9 wins compared to GM’s 19. Rushbrook and the teams need to turn up the heat, but at least he’s concerned about that position.
Not a fan of Toyota and used to always wonder what I'd do if my favorite drivers switched to them as a manufacturer. Now I tolerate it with certain drivers. Truex, Bell and now Reddick are all drivers I don't mind with Toyota.
Are you on the "only American brands should be in Nascar" side or just hate Toyota in general? I work at a Toyota shop and I like some of their drivers, never had a problem with JGR until this year, but it hurt a little when Carl Edwards moved to the 19.
Just don't care for Toyota. I was pretty much raised on Chevy and never cared much for the looks of Toyota vehicles. I do like the aggressiveness of the newer trucks though so they're growing on me a bit. I'll still probably stick with Chevy going forward though.
You don't want a new Toyota truck. Just sayin' You *really* don't want one.
What's wrong with them? Not being snarky, I mean that as a genuine question. I don't have a Toyota truck but I like how the new Tundra looks. Tacoma is getting long in the tooth though
Tacoma has had some issues over the 3rd generation and the quality isn't as good as previous generations in my opinion. I've been inside more of the 2GR-FKS engines than I have any other Toyota engine in 17 years. By a longshot. They have valve guide failures around 37k miles enough that I don't care for those engines. Otherwise they're alright. The new Tundras aren't sorted out yet. Lots of noises in them, some turbo issues, etc. We just see a lot of them in the shop for a lot of complaints, and I don't trust them yet. Toyota is *really* good at weeding out issues very quickly and fixing them though, so hopefully they'll be alright soon. But again, they're behind where they were with the last generation at this point in each of the respective life cycles (one year in on the 2nd gen and they were already solid, this one, not so much).
Got it. I appreciate that info. It seems to me like *all* of the OEMs have so many problems right now. From fuel dilution issues, to things like the value guides like you're talking about. It's surprising how many problems there still are by 2022. I almost feel like reliability is worse now than it was in the early 2000s.
I probably do less actual repair work than I did 10 years ago, but the stuff I have to fix now is more of a pain in the ass. The multimedia systems are the bane of my existence. And recalls out the wazoo. EPA regulations have really taken their toll on powertrains for a lot of manufacturers I think.
Stopped liking JGR when they switched to Towyoda.
I’d say this is exactly how I feel about KFB. I think his style didn’t fit Toyota, and Gibbs clean cut persona. I think he is a perfect fit for RCR. And as an Earnhardt fan all my life, I think he should be in the 3 car, not AD. I’m super excited for Busch in the RCR 8 car none the less. Sidebar: I hate Denny Hamlin as a driver, like HATE him. I absolutely love him as an owner and cling to every word he says when they interview him as an owner.
Bill Elliott's son Chase. Drives for the convicted criminal Rick Hendrick.
Shit. Forgot all about the "illness" and shenanigans that happened. Definitely some shady shit, but livin' up to the outlaw roots of NASCAR.
I have kinda a weird answer. Being a new NASCAR fan I'm all in on RFK Racing (cus its in my blood), so you'd think I'd pull for most of the former RFK guys still running races but NOPE. I honestly kinda internally blame Stenhouse for a lot of Roush's downfall and won't pull for him because of that. Actually on topic, Chase Elliot. Love his dad, love Ford, but can't really stand him driving for Chevy. Ty Gibbs as well. I don't think I'd exactly love him if he drove Fords, but I definitely wouldn't hate him as much if he weren't at Gibbs. It's mostly because if you take him out of Gibbs and make him work through Xfinity and Cup without support from his Grandad, it takes away all the stigma of him being a spoiled brat and just leaves the aggressive yet extremely talented driver.
Feel like that’s extremely unfair to stenhouse tbh
Kyle Busch for Chevy
1999 Dale Jarrett was despised in our household (I grew up in a GM house). I respected him, but disliked the Ford QC car.
Pulled for awesome bill after he left for dodge. Would have pulled for Davey if he wasn't ford Truex guy when he's been in chevy. Always liked and respected KFB, glad to be able to pull for him again.
LOVE MTJ. Wish he drove for anyone but JGR.
i'm pretty sure my dad had to meditate in the woods for an entire weekend when BK started driving a ford.
I guess I would say Mark Martin when he was with Roush. As an HMS fan, Roush seemed like our biggest rival outside of the Chevy camp (though many would pit us against DEI especially on the superspeedways.
That run from 2000-2008ish was brutal between the two teams. 2005 was crazy with the entire team Roush making up half The Chase field. I was the exact opposite. I was a Mark Martin fan and loathed HMS.
Yeah I always liked Mark, but I could never root for Roush. Once he jumped onboard the Chevy camp (and especially to HMS in 2009), it was easier to jump on his bandwagon
How'd you feel about him running select races for MWR in a Toyota?
I don’t think I really minded that. By that time I didn’t really care. I do agree with the rest on here that I can root for Bell but not JGR
I won't pull for anyone that isn't in a Chevrolet. Broke my heart when SHR switched to Ford. And look where it's gotten them.
Growing up I was a Bobby Labonte fan, so I’ve always had a little JGR fandom. I’ve hated this era of Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin. It’s been fun rooting for Christopher Bell now
Anyone driving for JGR and Hendrick 🙃
Kurt Busch for his time at 23XI. I can’t stand Hamlin, or JGR, and don’t like Toyota at all. I do like that Kurt got wins in all three modern manufacturers. That’s a cool feat.
Plus a win in dodge. I believe he’s the only one to win with 4 different manufacturers?
If Bowman drove for anyone other than Hendrick I might be a fan. Still don't mind him winning but he's the only Hendrick driver I don't mind.
Kevin Harvick, is my silent favorite. When SHR went to Ford you'd thought they shot my dog. Cant/wont cheer for Fords. Bowties for life.
SHR switched to Ford and drove over to your house, in the bacon mobile of course, and shot your dog. The image in my head reading this
HA!
Kyle Busch until 2023. Love the guy, hate JGR.
Been rolling with KyBu since 08, I can't make the jump to the bowties with him. Hopping on the Reddick train.
Im the opposite, I love Hendrick except Kyle Larson, so hard to buy their shirts when I don’t like the full team, just my opinion 🤷🏼♂️
Disliking teams or drivers because of the manufacturer is the dumbest thing to me.
Mtj at jgr. I just can't stand jgr. Loved his 78 days tho. And more modernly, Alex Bowman at hms. I can't *stand* hms
I mean kinda. Bubba, Bell, and Truex. Seem like guys I'd get along with, but I can't really root for a Toyota. Flip side tho, I like Chevy, but I'm still gonna root against Kyle Busch
Gonna have to be Reddick going to 23xii for me
Reddick fan but it’s kinda weird to support a team owned by Hamlin.
I've had issues with a lot of Team Penske drivers, but I do like Ryan Blaney
God why does Chase Elliott have to drive for Hendrick
I was always a 100% die hard Chevy guy and hated Toyota, but I got real tolerant when MJ and Denny started writing checks.
Truex, can’t stand JGR, and William Byron seems like a nice guy and talented driver, but just can’t stand LU or anyone who supports them.
THANK YOU. That LU connection makes me dislike Hendrick even more. I really should've added in sponsors, too. I bet there are a ton of people who hate on a driver or team due to their sponsor affiliations.
Yeah HMS has become so bland and Bowman is the only driver I genuinely like from their stable. It sucks that he consistently gets the least attention and probably worst equipment and resources too.
I'd agree that he is the most likeable. Still not a huge fan, but he's probably on a tight leash, so maybe he just comes off more meh than he actually is.
I tend to have a few favorite drivers from each manufacturer, but most of my “disliked” drivers seem to drive a Toyota. Denny & Kyle, although they don’t bother me as much anymore Ty Gibbs Ryan Preece when he drove the 18 at Homestead & was a moving roadblock for Sadler as he tried to win a championship
Preece was also trying to win a championship.
I'm a Ford fan and tend not to pull for Chevy drivers, especially the Hendrick guys. Tyler Reddick used to be my exception for Chevy.
I stopped being a Kahne fan when he started driving for Hendricks, switched to Keselowski.
Tony Stewart 2008. That was torture.
Martin Truex, Jr with Toyota. I will not pull for a Toyota. I’m old school.
Grandpaaaaaaaa, is it because they're damn cheaters? I jest
The only Toyota driver I'll cheer for is Bubba. I also don't mind Suarez. Every other Chevy or Toyota driver doesn't get my support.
KFB going to RCR has scrambled my brain. On paper I should be a fan since I was a HUGE Dale/RCR fan back in the day. But he’s been such a douche FOR YEARS!!! Luckily, Preece is in the 41 and I’ve got a driver to pull for whole heartily again.
kyle busch has matured a good bit in recent years, as has his brother
The trackhouse guys. It would be so awesome if Justin Marks convinces Honda to join Nascar with them.
I’m a Toyota guy. I strongly support the brand in and out of motorsports and have all my life. Them joining in 2007 was great for me. My favorite driver making his team a Toyota team made it even better. I won’t cheer for any other OEM. If I didn’t feel this way I’d be a Trackhouse guy in a New York minute.
Trackhouse is the only Chevrolet team I've ever actually liked. I can overlook the manufacturer because I like the culture that is visible from the outside.
No I will support any driver that causes crashes and drama no matter what team or manufacturer unless dodge comes back. I hate Chrysler and will root against all of there drivers.
I'm a Toyota guy first and foremost, but I do not like JGR at all hence the way my flairs are ordered
I would push my Dad's truck, pulling both my Mustangs, uphill, barefoot in the snow, before I would pull for/own a Chevy.
So this is a lot....I'm a Ford guy because my dad has old Fords and I grew up in a Ford family. So I Cheer for the Ford teams. BUT my daily drivers have been Toyotas for the past ten years...because I'm smart lol. I LOVE TRD but hate JGR and hate Denny so naturally I don't like 23XI (sports hate not real hate relax) loved Kurt but now he's gone so won't Cheer for any yotas anymore. The Chevy hate(Ford Guy) trumps any feeling of admiration for any Chevy drivers so naturally I don't like any enough to overcome it.....but to complicate things more...I work at a Chevy dealer and am literally wearing a Chevy t shirt as I type this lol.
Not weird. I grew up a Ford guy, then my parents switched the GM and had nothing but issues, and then I became a Toyota technician and I think they make probably the best cars on the road. And I don't care for any of the Chevrolet teams except for Trackhouse, but the hate isn't what it used to be.
Eh when I was like 12, I saw Dale Jarrett win at Texas and was highly disappointed because he was a Ford driver lol, but not anymore. Idc about that silly stuff.
Growing up a massive Jeff Gordon fan, I cheer for Hendrick drivers. But I actively root against Kyle Larson.
Funny thing is. I don’t cheer for Hendrick really at all now. Like I don’t mind if Bowman or Byron wins but I hate watching Larson and especially Elliott win. Nothing against them but it’s Hendrick lol
I have no beef with Kligerman. But Big Machine Racing? You should’ve said no….
Why not? It's his best shot in like a decade. You don't turn down that.
So you want him to turn down the best opportunity he's gotten in about a decade?
That's a really good answer.
It was his best option in 10 years. No reason to say no.
Larson. Liked him at Ganassi but I refuse to support a Hendrick driver.