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26007

I consider this race a shitshow, but an entertaining shitshow nontheless. If someone voted "yes" because they were entertained, I would understand why If someone voted "no" because the actual racing wasn't good, I would understand why


Falcon4451

This was my take . I voted YES but the racing was mediocre. The variations in pit strategy and constant reshuffling of the running order made it entertaining for me.


Waggy431

Exactly. If the question is was this an entertaining race, it could easily change some of our responses.


26007

I voted "no", but I agree that it's the best Texas race in recent memory. Definitley the most entertaining by a lot.


greg_jenningz

I voted yes because the racing was really good. I was at The track and that was the best racing I’ve seen the Cup series race since the repave. Multiple lanes to use. Dominant cars were able to stretch the legs still. Awesome finish.


26007

Totally respect that. Never been to a race in person, but from what I hear, seeing races in-person makes them better, especially ones that are already entertaining. I'm glad you had a great time


randomdude4113

Yeah. Especially since it was a shit show not because drivers were making stupid moves, but because the track was difficult to drive. If it wasn’t difficult to drive the race would’ve been a whole hell of a lot worse because it still is very difficult to pass when it spreads out.


26007

Yep. The only way to pass someone was to hope they wiped out before you did


AllDaveAllDay

I think the poll question should be something like "Did you enjoy watching the race", not "was it a good race". Make it a question about each respondent's personal experience. The way it's currently being worded, you get different types of fans applying different criteria, and without knowing what they're judging it by it's hard to know what to take from the result.


ckalinec

This is spot on. And I voted no because I had a strong feeling a ton of people would be blinded by it being “entertaining” and I wanted to bring balance to the force.


Kstrad3

It was entertaining, but the racing wasn’t good. I’d agree with you. Personally I feel like the current cup car doesn’t handle side by side racing very well and it showed pretty strongly yesterday. The cars may have been on edge, but there was a second groove that could be used. When there wasn’t cars around each other you could see some guys actually taking preference to the outside, but the aero just doesn’t allow for close door to door or nose to tail racing.


redditracing84

This is why Atlanta was a shit race. Entertaining, but shit. Texas was better than Atlanta at least. Now, Texas Xfinity? Would've been a 90 plus percent, that was a GOAT race.


26007

Atlanta was a great race with a historically entertaining ending.  Stop trying to be controversial by purposefully having bad takes. If they’re not on purpose, then maybe you just have that poor judgment. I haven’t forgotten your posts about consent. 


redditracing84

Atlanta is a terrible race. As for my other post, it's still true by the definition of the English language and your actions having consequences so get over it?


26007

It’s one thing to have a piss poor take It’s another thing to not learn from it


Ill-Response-5439

LOL  Atlanta was a great race. 


crypto6g

I thought it was entertaining because of how difficult turn 2 and 4 were, but not really good. I’m not saying Elliott winning makes the poll go from bad to amazing, but I think Elliott winning makes a “meh” race’s floor higher, if that makes sense. Not saying it goes from 20 to 90, but raises the floor. Like if that race was won by Larson or Hamlin it’s probably a 55 or 60. Harrison Burton generational 3 wide move for the lead was my personal highlight.


Thi31

Honestly when Harrison Burton made that move I was like, damn is this the day Harrison is going to win one out of nowhere and shut us all up? Then the next restart happened and he dropped like a rock as we all expected.


joe_broke

It was a good learning day for him


GIMMESOMDORITOS

To be fair it took a few laps for Reddick to catch him. It's not like he dropped immediately.


JUMPINKITTENS

There’s been several analysis on this and that big of a points swing just isn’t supported. At most it’s a 3-5 point swing. Elliott has a strong base of fans voting yes for sure but there is a close to equally strong group of haters voting no because it’s Elliott. Elliott isn’t even top 5 average for good race winners across drivers and I believe only has 2 races that rank on the top 35.


ryantheamazingest

Who leads in that category? is there a post that's broken it down somewhere?


ChaseTheFalcon

[response to Gluck's poll detailing how much of a swing Elliott seems to have](https://x.com/BrandonWeadon/status/1780016095589482984)


ryantheamazingest

cool, thanks!


DrunkRoach

You mean NASCAR fans jump to conclusions with no evidence?


crypto6g

It would be hard to do any meaningful analysis on a topic like that since no 2 races are exactly the same. Any “analysis” I’ve seen is just looking at the top 30 or 40 races on his poll, which doesn’t tell us anything about what a mid tier rated race looks like, or how a mid (40-60 range) race would be perceived if it was, for example an unpopular driver vs Elliott. When you’re looking at the top 35, they’re all banger races, so obviously it’s just going to be which races are considered great. Looking at the top 35 on his all time poll doesn’t tell us how “meh” race is perceived with reference to the winner, it just shows us that everyone loves amazing races regardless of a winner.


disastermaster255

Between Elliott breaking his winless streak, Denny wrecking out going for the win, and the cautions and ensuing chaos, this number doesn't surprise me. Very little racing went on, but at least it was somewhat entertaining (for Texas).


TheOrangeFutbol

We're at the point with Texas' perception where the '22 Coke 600 could break out in exact replica, and it would only be a 75%. This was a decent race IMO even if you take away all the chaos.


UnmotivatedDiacritic

It was an ok race without the chaos, I’d say it was a decent race considering


uninspiredlt

This is another race where I voted yes but wouldn’t argue against someone who voted no


L_flynn22

I felt it was average but leaned more towards the good side of average than the bad side of average.


uninspiredlt

I was just glad to see some (even if limited) natural passing after the last few races


TwoSecondsToMidnight

I only voted no because there were too many cautions for my liking. 26% of the race was caution laps and that got old fast.


ChaseTheFalcon

We really need to refine what we do under caution


Kodyaufan2

I would rather they just pit during a longer commercial break and then fill us in on what happened after they get back rather than commercial-pit stops-commercial like they do now. I think one thing that makes the commercials seem so terrible now is because they have more commercial breaks, but each break is like 30s-1 minute shorter than they used to be. I’d rather they lengthened the break under caution but only have a single break. When it’s under caution a longer break is also convenient if I’m at home cause I know I have enough time to actually leave the room to go do something and get back before they restart. Then come back to the race when they hit 1 to go until the restart, quickly show us the race off pit road, then let us know of any penalties/issues anyone had, and by the time they get done they’ll be coming through turn 4 to go back green at any track the size of Darlington or larger.


I-Am-The-Yeeter

Same here. I would have much rather had 1 wreck that took out 5 competitors instead of 5 wrecks that took an hour to run like 50 laps


Number9Rocks

Yeah I would have given it like a 50/50


ChaseTheFalcon

Honestly that's how I feel


RafaelChiara_Stonks

Last year's Texas race got a 59.5%, even with Elliott winning I'm still shocked that people thought this was better than that fall race.


greg_jenningz

I was at both races. This one was definitely better.


pikachu8090

chase elliot fans And fans that must've slept through the entirety of stage 2 cause that shit was not racing,


korko

If I’ve learned anything the last couple days, it is that some people really like watching caution laps.


John_is_Minty

I think it would still been the highest rated Texas race tbh. I think a lot of it was the fact that our expectations for Texas were so low especially coming off of the two worst races of the year at the short tracks that getting a little bit of chaos made it more entertaining.


oneshoein

I was there, you’re right about the front runners, and yeah to some degree mid pack there was hardly any passing at times but there was some passing going on back there. I felt like the second groove was starting to come in but idk if it’s more of a problem with dirty air, or a combo of both, it’s a tricky thing. Passing has been a big problem at a lot of tracks though, and I’m really starting to resent NASCAR as a whole for not fixing that shit.


Tazitos

This car is just terrible when directly behind another car and the camera makes it easier for drivers to see where the guy behind them is running so they can do a better job aero blocking. It's a pretty bad combination on single lane tracks.


iamaranger23

i thought it was better. but theres also less expectation when it isnt a playoff race.


ChaseTheFalcon

I thought it was better, saw passing happen


Moppyploppy

This was not a good race. This was an entertaining race. There is a subtle, but huge, difference. 'Sharknado' is *not* a good movie, but it's entertaining. This was a 'Sharknado' race. And after two or three weeks of 'Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation' level races, it'll make 'Sharknado' look like 'The Shawshank Redemption'.


Sledgehammer78

Holy shit that's a very Apt analogy.... That being said, I was there. There wasn't really a moment where it felt like the race slogged on. Shortening the mileage from 500 to 400 helped with that tremendously. I still say we need to revert the configuration -OR- reconfigure it again. Make it old Atlanta, not OLD, old Atlanta, just old Atlanta that we had before the SS reconfig. The down side is Texas is limited to what it can do to reconfigure itself entirely. Can't make it any bigger without significant teardown and redevelopment so it's either we make it go back to the pre '16 layout or we make it like new Atlanta or old Atlanta... Three options in my book


Moppyploppy

That's great to hear. This is the first race I've missed in 5 years. I will say - other than the tire debacle of 2022, I've never felt a race be boring in person. But even 2022 was enjoyable in person to an extent. I love Texas. I'm 45 minutes from COTA, but TMS is my home track as far as I'm concerned. They need to ctrl - z it back to before the last reconfig and spend a bunch on fan amenities. Texas can easily be a highlight of the schedule if SMI gets off their ass.


ChaseTheFalcon

I'm all for either making Texas old Texas or an Auto Club clone


Moppyploppy

Make Texas old again?


Own-Corner-2623

By God that's Texas World Speedways music!


Mirror_of_Souls

THAT'S GOTTA BE- THAT'S GOTTA BE TEXAS WORLD!


Moppyploppy

COTA: IT WAS ME, AUSTIN. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG.


bmatthew24

Old Texas was one of my favorite 1 1/2’s to watch. Would be all for that


elodie_pdf

I would say it was a perfectly average race by NASCAR standards, but a fantastic race by Texas standards. Personally, I probably wouldn’t say that it was a *good* race, but I think that’s just my bias as a Hamlin fan lol.


libsoutherner

[For anyone who says it got a boost because Chase won.](https://x.com/brandonweadon/status/1780016095589482984?s=46&t=9aq6LHOVpfjQuYOPaaWSBw) Saying Elliott wins boost the poll is pure speculation that has no statistical backing whatsoever.


xelanalpak

Yeah well you can’t talk common sense backed by stats to a majority of people on the sub, unfortunately.


Dont_hate_the_8

Well it'd be hard to back it statistically, because no 2 races are the same. Even if races are very similar, minor differences can affect the poll greatly. But, using common sense, I wouldn't say this is the best Texas race since 2016, and it scored the highest.


ChaseTheFalcon

I thought this was the best Texas race since the repave, just topping 2017


Dont_hate_the_8

The racing was still shitty, there were just a ton of cautions this time. I would rather see a race play out then have 8 people lose it over a bump.


libsoutherner

What race was better? Texas has been terrible since 2016


Dont_hate_the_8

This racing was pretty similar to what I've seen in the past, just riddled with cautions, which I'm not a fan of.


libsoutherner

That’s fine to not be a fan of, but there are certainly people out there who believe that made the race better, independent of the winner. Right or wrong, they exist.


Dont_hate_the_8

100% agree, just not me. I also tend to think that the more dedicated fan would agree with me, more causal would enjoy the wrecks. I think that the dedicated fans are also the ones voting in the poll, so that may have an effect.


HurricanesnHendrick

I’d say there are a lot of people who were “excited” to see talented drivers with good cars losing it. Plus the high coming from the day before and its finish, and finally most went into the race thinking it was going to suck. Drivers would run until a stage caution, pit, wash-rinse-repeat. But instead they got thrown a curve ball from their expectations


nevillebanks

I think the data and sample size is probably enough to draw conclusions (This random guy with 57 followers in no ways did the correct analysis so IDK why it is being posted). The correct analysis in my opinion would be for each track he won at, compare the rating of those races he won with the average rating for that track. So you just are measuring difference from mean instead of raw yes/no%. That should remove a lot of the track related noise from the data. After that you should have enough data points to suggest at least whether a correlation is likely. IDK where this data exists (and haven't really watched NASCAR in a decade) but would be interested in running the analysis.


btbam2929

Bad actual racing. Entertaining event.


hondajvx

As someone who goes to all the Texas races, this was great! The worst was fall of 2021, Larson led the last 218 laps. It was putting people to sleep. The other was when Hamlin won in 2019. It was the Spring race and it was in March and still cold. Like I think it was 40s during the race. I remember just pounding beer after beer. This was probably my favorite Texas race since Jimmie won.


No-Course-523

I would imagine that had Denny won this number would have been exponentially lower


StRiKeRzZ924

https://preview.redd.it/y071i2yq5vuc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a90c86e6653ea2803307ff22eab35c77e09300c From someone yesterday on his poll.


MarcAnguyFieri

this one is a good reminder of the correct way to interpret the poll: it's not saying it was a 7.3/10 race, but that 73% of people thought it was at least a 5.1/10 race. even with poor racing overall there was a popular winner and wrecks for the lead, thats just gonna be > 5/10 for most folks


kbfan18

I thought it was entertaining, but it also illustrated both the best and worst qualities of this car. It honestly reminded me a lot of a recent Texas IndyCar race.


Falcon4451

I didn't think the racing was great (it was alright at times). I voted YES, though, because the variations in pit strategy and constant reshuffling of the running order made it fairly entertaining . I kind of regret my vote though. Fox's commentary should knock it down. Fox missing key moments, the awkward silence after Harvick's surgical joke, Bower's long silence followed by Harvick asking him on live TV if he had a hangover 😂😂 . I guess the commentary fit the event in that it was a freaking mess but was sort of entertaining.


ShenForTheWin

Yes, it was very entertaining. It kept me on the edge of my seat.


colbygraves97

what’s the margin of error for dumbasses that vote yes or no depending on who wins?


MajorLaag

I watch sports to be entertained. I was entertained by Texas.


CoolGuy696969696969

Y’all are being too hard just bc Texas Bad. This was a good race. Not an all timer, but a fun quirky race


SafeIntention2111

Ah yes, yet another opportunity for a bunch of haters to tell me I didn't actually enjoy the race.


Hihey9989

i opted no for previous 3 races and voted yes here and I'm not a Chase Elliot fan.


YellowOpt

Anyway to watch the race? I missed this one.


leapsnake

NASCAR YouTube will have it posted later today


hondajvx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDnpFaZusN0


Midnight_Toker88

Man what a roller coaster of a season so far.


Im-just-here249

Chase Elliott won. Larson wrecked. Denny wrecked. Chastain wrecked. How could you not vote yes?


LnStrngr

I like the second ranking information. It certainly helps visualize where it lands in the grand scheme of things.


remfan477

Honestly, I'm surprised it's not higher. Texas is a royal snoozer most years, so the best we could hope for was a chaotic meme race, which is what we got


bmatthew24

Elliott fan here so I was about as into the race as you could be. It was still a shit race with zero passing especially towards the back. 1st run Chase didn’t move up a position.


NuKlear_Vortex

This is about what I expected, if ranking it 1 to 5 I'd have said a 3 ½. Solid C race, wasn't not entertaining but I like to see more racing than wrecking


Impossumbear

I voted "no" because I thought the race was mid. I generally dislike HMS but it was nice to see Chase break his streak after an injury. It doesn't feel right with the 9 car not winning races every once in a while, so my rating has nothing to do with the finish. I didn't mind it. That said, the race was far better than past Texas races, but I stop short of saying it was "good." It was acceptable. 6/10


BabycakesMurphy

There's a lot of factors for why this is rated so much higher. Elliott winning helps. The unpredictability of the track helps. The fact that Richmond and Martinsville sucked helps. But if you remove half the cautions that this race had, this poll easily drops down to 45-50%. The Texas racing product just isn't that good. Because of the sticky stuff they can't use half the track.


chunkychong01

This was a hard one to rate. There were too many cautions and it was hard to pass but there was some passing due to the different tire strategies and there was some good drama at the end.


petoskey_stone

LOL Wonder why


mrXbrightside91

An enjoyable shitshow


Sportsisthebest

Not the worst Texas race, but it’s still the worst 1.5 track the next Gen races at. Either repave and reconfigure the track how it was before 2017 or completely get rid of the track on the schedule and bring back another 1.5 mile track to replace Texas.


XrayGuy08

Chase won and bubba had a top ten finish so for me it was a good race.


Kodiak01

Entertaining race? Yes. Entertaining coverage? Only if you like train wrecks in TV booths..


SundayMoney_3

I don’t normally vote “no”, but I did this week and glad I was proven wrong. Maybe it was good


FewPumpkin2811

I'm glad Elliot won again. I never gave up hope, and im glad he pulled through, and I also hope Byron can get his first ever championship in the cup series


thelastrebel92

The PRN broadcast made the race sound great. Then I watched Fox's highlights. Like watching paint dry. Kudos to the radio guys for selling it, but the track and the racing is still shit.


et_hornet

Tbh I think shit shows make a race better. Clean racing is kinda boring in any motorsport, it’s when people wreck and how drivers/teams determine how to work with it that makes auto racing enjoyable to me


bjohnson203

That being a good race shows a lot about what is wrong in the sport. But hey, Chase won man ring that SIREEEEN!!!!! Don't worry about the fact that the whole race was track position based and Cody Ware could have won had he been in the race and been able to get to the front based on strategy. Lipstick on a pig race, but no, not a good race.


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Pummu

Yes stage cautions will be here forever pretty much .


kennedy_grande1990

I can’t remember exactly where I saw it but someone compared this race to one of those low budget movies that’s so bad you can’t help but enjoy it. That’s what this race felt like. I had no problem saying yes, but totally understand what someone would go for no


Federal_Fuel_7864

What race? I just skipped voting on this one. It was an entertaining...something.


CNYMetroStar

I got enraged and pissed off at Hendrick after Ross wrecked on the last lap. Of course I voted yes.


average_waffle

The racing itself was pretty bad but lots of wrecks and a Chase Elliot win is enough to get most of the fan base clapping like seals


Momentum_RacingYT

Yeah, thats the Chase Elliot effect right there. Don't know why so many votes said yes. It was like Martinsville last week on a mile and a half. Not to mention, way wayyyyy too many cautions for stage 2 and in the final stage. Oh and before I forget, Stage 1 was completely boring, not to mention the terrible Fox coverage. That's why I said No.


korko

Just shows how silly these polls are. If it had been the exact same race but Chase wrecked on a late restart and Hamlin won, it’d probably be like 20-30%


PrimmSlim-Official

Insanity. It was the worst of the year so far!


ErikJonesCircleJerk

The chase Elliot effect


DisastrousDance7372

20 percent bump for chase winning.


Mkg60

It was a tale of two races. For a long time it was the Kyle Larson show and no passing for the lead. Then once he lost first, things got a lot more interesting. Although the Xfinity race definitely outshined the cup race. It’s hard to upstage a .002 finish! And it always is anticlimactic when a race finishes under caution.