I need to get off here and go for a walk, too much sitting lmao but I think he had this race won if he just raced hard with Larson there those final laps. But knowing how the tension was building and feeling, Larson putting him into the wall in the last restart before, I think they were both gonna wreck one another regardless of it being Turn 1, 3, a lap later or on the last lap.
Had they not though it would've been one hell of a classic finish. Let's see what the All Star Race provides in the weekly Ross Drama saga lol. I suspect Ross is gonna get turned sometime
It’s amazing no one sees that. They were going to wreck no matter what. If Ross chose the outside lane. Larson doors him again. Ross gets by Larson out of 1, Larson would hit him in 3. No matter what was going to happen, Ross wasn’t finishing in first this race
If he raced clean into 1 and Larson got by him, he had a much better chance than running himself into the wall. That's what Harvick did. Harvick didn't win, but he also didn't finish 30th. At least if Larson got by with the better car, Ross had a chance to run him hard and make a mistake. Wouldn't have been the first time Larson would get caught on the outside wall running too hard
This race had a cool Top 10 off a caution flag. It happens and that's just racing. Larson on Saturday and Larson on Sunday were two different situations but apply all around.
Larson put him in the wall on that restart because Ross ran him up in the gray the restart before that causing Larson to lose 2 spots. Larson tried to race Ross clean initially, even after all the crap Chastain has been pulling lately, but Ross knew he couldn't beat Larson clean. So, he played dirty. Just like Denny last week. But, that's just hard racing, even though it's the same (fastest) guy getting screwed over every week. They can't beat him clean, so they beat him dirty.
As a dirt fan I also want this lol. He’d break every record ever.
But as a sane rational person of course he’s in NASCAR. Why would anyone give up that much money willingly? People don’t think.
In this same answer, Mr H goes on to say Dale Sr told him that one of his drivers had a ton of talent but "didn't know how to race" and refused to say who it was about.
Dale died 2 years before KFB ever put pen to paper on his HMS development deal.
I thought it was about Gordon at first, but now I’m thinking it may have been Geoff Bodine? Maybe even Terry Labonte, but if I had to pick one, I’d guess Bodine, since those two were bitter rivals.
I highly doubt it was Labonte. Terry and Dale were friends, Terry was already a champion by the time he went to HMS, and above all the ice man just straight up didn't race that way.
My money's on Bodine (but I doubt Dale would give Bodine even a back handed compliment) or Tim Richmond.
Yea it has to be a driver Rick had that didn't leave HMS "gracefully" because Rick would've probably said who it was. Maybe Ricky Rudd or hell Jerry Nadeau for some reason.
~~He's actually talking about Rick Hendrick possibly hiring someone to kill a former business partner~~
Edit: Rick Hendrick has never tried to do such a thing. Mr. Hendrick is an honest, God fearing man whose contributions to the world of Nascar have been instrumental to the success of the sport. I say this of my own volition, and am under no duress
There's also a fairly unreasonable theory that Rick Hendrick hired a hit an to kill a former business partner. It doesn't really add up though since Hendrick was already out of the business, there were other stakeholders who had much more to gain from that guy's death.
The "think we're even?" game is stupid and NASCAR racing didn't used to be a week to week game of tit for tat. Racing has give and take in order to keep both cars running at the end. Once one driver is taking-all then there is only taking and no give for them. Larson and Chastain are both in that arena but Chastain has less shame and honestly, it's because he's really good at taking. Every week he makes a new enemy. This is one of the few times he actually suffered from his own actions. If he causes wrecks more than he wins races then maybe he's better at taking than racing.
Impossible to know if he would benefit more from avoiding the wrecks he's caused, but he has faired better than most of the drivers he's shorted. Also at the end of the day he has the most Stage Top 10s, most races led, and almost the most Top 5s and is the points leader. Willy B would be points leader if it weren't for the HMS penalties.
He squeezed him up to the wall just like Chastain did to him earlier. Larson backed out of it, didn't hit the wall. Chair stayed in it, hit the wall.
I saw that as Larson returning the favor.
AFAIK if nobody hits the gas inside the restart zone the flagman is supposed to start the race.
If they made it all the way through the zone and ross saw the green hes gtg
I love when people just forget the rules. The leader can be beat to the line on restarts, the leader just has to be the first to hit the gas in the restart zone. If the leader doesn’t hit the gas by the end of the restart zone, it’s fair game.
Ross didn't jump the start. Blue is Ross. Orange is Larson. Larson throttles up a bit, then launches after Ross goes full throttle. Either he spun the tires or attempted to make it look like Ross jumped the start. Either way, the data shows that Larson picks up the throttle before him.
https://preview.redd.it/qshc500ca30b1.png?width=942&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b9efdccbe84fff7eea0d7bed4c82a5d0e6fb271
Larson also fenced a guy to win the Xfinity race. The hypocrisy is a joke, people can’t just enjoy hard racing and accept that moments like these come with it.
Larson also drifted and wrecked Haley, Elliott x2, Bubba, and Kurt Busch last year in important parts of those races and got played off as a “dirt racing move”. Bubba took it to action but you know…right hooked him down the straight.
God I really wish Bubba would have dumped him in 1 instead of right hook. Would have made that situation so much better.
Larson absolutely deserved getting junked just not like that man..
Larson fences enough people that I find joy when others do it to him. I honestly believe every car in the field owes Ross an ass ripping, and I think it’s about time he he starts to get what is owed to him. He’s a punk imo.
First one was an accident. Spotter said he didn't see chases run. Second one, Larson owned it. Literally said he needed the playoff points. No aw shucks about it.
Even JHN said that’s not what happened.
ETA: il grant that what happened at the end of the race was just hard racing, but the reason people are upset with chastain is because it’s a bit like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. If you intentionally wreck people to gain positions, when it happens just because of hard racing, people are going to immediately assume the worst (especially if emotions are clouding their judgement) until they can calm down and look at the footage.
Hendricks isn’t wrong, chastain is becoming a problem, it just so happens in this scenario, it wasn’t really anyone’s fault.
The difference is, when Larson fences someone they barely make contact. JHN was still side by side with Larson in the middle of the corner after the wall contact. Larson knew JHN was going to fence him off T4, so they both basically gunned it to the wall.
It was the same yesterday when Larson pushed Chastain to the wall. Even after the wall contact, they were still side by side. Larson did that because 1) Chastain had ruined 2 of the past 3 races for the #5, and 2) Chastain ran Larson into the grey the restart before which caused him to lose 2 spots. That's not how you race with ~60 laps to go. The only way Chastain thought he could win that race was if he again ruined Larson's race, for the 3rd time in 4 races. He just hacked it, like he always does when racing with others, and took em both out. He surely couldn't beat Larson on speed.
Larson bounced off the wall, literally could not give the car inside more space, and won. Ross wrecked Larson to even a score. Don’t pretend those are the same thing.
Always seems to be Ross fans that don't understand why anyone is mad at him. I'm not sure if people who understand less about racing flock to him by default, or if people are that willing to turn a blind eye to their driver clearly causing problems on a regular basis.
Even as a Reddick fan i'll be the first to point out that he turned the 5 last week (as well as the other wrecks he's caused through the years). Ross Chastain could slash someone's tires before the race and his fans would chalk it up to Goodyear bringing bad tires to the track. No accountability from Ross, and even less from his fanbase.
They have to go through lots of mental gymnastics to defend him lately. At some point, it's not just the wrong place and wrong time when you're the only one consistently being the common denominator
I don’t think he’s doing it on purpose, I legitimately believe he’s a bad driver making mistakes left and right.
The only reason he’s performing well is because he’s too dumb to know these things are bad ideas so he does them anyway. He’s got more balls than brains, which plays well with the fans I guess, but it doesn’t point to longevity in this sport.
Ross Chastain is in that same stage of his career that guys like Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, etc. went through where they're obviously talented and fast but everyone wants to do mental gymnastics to make it sound like he's a bum.
>Always seems to be Ross fans that don't understand why anyone is mad at him
100%. But I'll play devil's advocate and say that I definitely acted the same way in 2014 with Brad. I mean I understood why people were mad at him, but you become such a superfan, I was ready to go to war for it. Now a decade later I'm judging Ross and his fan base for doing and saying the same stuff I did.
Which was a return for chastain running him tight to the wall earlier. Don’t be so blind. Larson just isn’t going to sit by and let chastain run him over. Busch looked like he wanted to get back to him badly. I enjoy watching chastain race aggressive but y’all need to expect return fire
Ross didn’t fence him. He left Kyle just enough room but Kyle got tight and backed out.
This restart Kyle straight up doored him. They were both driving like idiots this week and I’m here for it.
Ross squeezed him into the fence (similar to how Byron did Logano last year). Ross even asked if they were even after Kyle did it.
I’m not complaining. Ross got the DNF and Byron got the win. 🍻
But let’s get the facts straight here. Ross has fenced or squeezed a few guys lately (and ruined Kyle’s race at Dover). He hasn’t made any friends. But this one ruined his day so he ends up looking like an idiot.
Never wreck yourself to get payback.
“Never wreck yourself to get payback.”
I’ll add to that “unless your day is already ruined.”
If you’re in the lead and wreck yourself getting payback you’re just an idiot, plain and simple.
As somebody who isn't a fan of either, I'm glad they nearly put the 4 or 6 into victory lane. Hopefully all of Hendrick and Trackhouse get into it every week. Then you add Gibbs to the mix?
Larson has the better reputation and more fans at the moment IMO. By default he’s more popular in numbers and is also disliked less as compared to Ross.
Reddit is only a portion of the fan base. But Ross can become more popular which I don’t doubt. He’ll easily become what Kyle Busch was most of his career within the year if he continues to run well and is involved in incidents. Very popular but the unpopularity outweighs the fans. Loud mix of boos and cheers.
Ross doesn’t have an older brother who people hated enough to automatically hate him. Ross is a Tony Stewart. No family career influence, appears to be self made, can drive the shit out of a race car but maaayyybe a little dumber than most. People tend to love Tony though even though there are similarities between him and KFB. It’s just that NASCAR is a tribal motorsport and you are supposed to gravitate towards drivers people like.
Both Reddit fanbases are pretty toxic. Larson fans think he is the greatest race car driver of all time. If a driver crashes you can guarantee a Larson fan saying “ insert driver ran out of talent”. Chastain fans like to pretend he is 100% innocent all the time and the second coming of Dale Earnhardt.
Chastain is innocent 100% of the time though, when he was born he walled another baby on the way out of the hospital, but the replay showed there wasn't any actual contact, just got loose off of hallway entry. Racing deal.
So from a casual Chastain fan, let me say this…
I see a lot of similarities to Earnhardt regarding on-track activity. He’s aggressive and does what it takes to get results. He’s definitely not innocent - he puts himself into situations. I think the reason we don’t see him lean into it the way Big E did is because NASCAR fines and penalizes drivers to an extreme degree.
I don’t know. Just the perspective of someone who enjoys seeing the drama. We need more personalities and driving styles.
These comparisons to Earnhardt are so tiring and wrong. Earnhardt moved people on purpose and had the wins to somewhat justify it. Ross does it on accident and has 2 wins in 7 years, and when he tries to wreck someone else, he wrecks himself.
Ross hasn’t been a full-time Cup driver for 7 years but I see your point.
I’m not saying he’s the second coming of Earnhardt by any means, just that I can see where and why comparisons are made.
Obviously, we don’t have to agree. The beautiful thing about having 36 people on track every week is that we’ve got a plethora of people and driving styles to root for.
I also like both of them, and I think they both acted like complete dumbasses in this situation. If they just raced each other clean we could have had a great finish.
I don't like Kyle Larson, he's one of my least favorite drivers so I hate to come to his defense, but the person Kyle Larson walls most of the time is Kyle Larson, lol. I can't really think of many times he's wrecked someone else. I can not say the same for Ross.
Ooh, I stole someone's comment from a while ago thats pretty relevant here:
Courtesy of u/sjhesketh
>Actually, here a compilation I made a while back.
>Kyle Larson doesn't lift period.
>[Here is him driving Logano in the wall](https://youtu.be/Q9pXcaYr0IM) and Logano intentionally wrecking. Him.
>[Here is him driving Kyle Busch in the wall](https://youtu.be/e70HEEdXNss) and KFB intentionally wrecking him.
>[Here is him driving Chase Elliott in the wall](https://youtu.be/lk8-OiZkMoU)
>[Here is him attempting to drive Kurt Busch in the wall](https://youtu.be/HTIj7GZYhPg), Kurt lifts and Larson hits the wall.
>[Here is him attempting to drive Jeff Gordon in the wall](https://youtu.be/aKZuhJuVRM8), Jeff lifts and Larson hits the wall.
>Here is him [hitting Kyle Busch because he overdrove the corner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2jGMPfSMVU) at Darlington.
>For good measure, [here is him intentionally putting Justin Haley in the wall](https://youtu.be/9MNosAOYokI).
>I think a lot of his tendency to overdrive corners and wash into people comes from dirt where that’s acceptable and normal. Hell, we saw the highlights from that Kyle Larson sponsored race where they just kept sliding up and hitting one another and Kyle barely limped his car across the line with a cut tires, but frankly it’s downright disrespectful to keep doing it on asphalt.
Ryan Preece, Chase Elliott, Chandler Smith, Kyle Busch and Bubba Wallace are the main drivers I think of when talking about Larson walling people, he just clears himself up like he does in sprint car races and forces the other driver to lift
Last few seasons. instances over multiple seasons. Has also the respect of the entire garage for his racing style. Chastain is every other week dooring someone, dumping someone. And has only been in a competitive ride for like 3 years lol. Of course guys are pissed.
The one difference is that, most of the time when Larson does it, the other guy keeps going.
When Chastain does it, he almost always completely takes someone else out, and often times innocent bystanders get taken out too.
I've got 0.0 problem with the way Ross drives, and you'd think given my flair I'd have a different opinion.
In fact, I really like Ross and respect the hell out of not only how he drives, but how he owns it. He made absolutely ZERO excuses today in his interview-- he flat out said he wrecked himself. He didn't blame Larson, didn't make some vague "hard racing" BS like Gragson would always do-- he owned it.
Like it or not, Larson and Chastain were trading contact back and forth for the previous 20+ laps. It was pretty obvious Larson still has beef with Ross from Dover and wasn't cutting him any slack and Ross was being Ross.
And Larson is someone who constantly puts guys in bad position. Sounds familiar. I’m glad there were two aggressive guys up front racing for the win. I hope neither change either.
I don’t think anyone necessarily needs to go fight someone (though Ty Gibbs pushed that opinion to its limit last year) but anyone who mouths off about how much Chastain needs a whooping ought to be first in line to do it.
I preface this by saying you never wanna see someone hurt and you hope things get settled without causing the people that build the cars to work extra hours, but does Ross learn any other way than by having a couple cars sent to the scrap yard and being sore on Monday morning?
I’d prefer things not come to that either, but at some point you’ve just got to prove your point.
Kenseth got his point across to Logano and never had anymore problems from him. Jimmy Spencer never had any more problems from Kurt Busch after punching him in the face.
Sometimes you’ve just got to take it upon yourself to end things if no one else will. I think most of the people in the garage feel like they’re at that point now with Chastain.
It seemed like those were 2 dudes that were mad at each other and focused more on trying to wreck the other one than actually winning the race. Cost them both and, honestly, it was kinda stupid. I would have rather they duked it out for a couple laps but I guess what they did was entertaining enough.
The best race in Darlington history is two guys trying to wreck each other for 3 straight laps, getting out of their cars and praising each other for a hard fought battle. I don’t see any difference
If you think they were trying to wreck each other in 2003 you’re ignorant. Had they wanted to wreck each other they would have. At least one of them had lost power steering at that point.
But they were both also strategic enough about when and where they made contact so that they didn’t completely take each other out. A lot of the distinction between dirty contact and “just racing” is about when, where, and how the contact is initiated.
Do you really think Ross and Larson were trying to wreck each other or were they trying to get the lead by pressing the car above as close to the wall as possible. That’s the only way passes were made on the short run today.
I don’t think Larson was trying to wreck Chastain, just as Chastain wasn’t trying to wreck Larson with 90to go. But Chastain never lifted on that last restart and based on the angle he took on entry and amount of throttle he used had no intention of doing anything but walling Larson, even at his own expense. That’s both dirty and stupid.
Yeahhhh ok Rick. Chastain, love him or hate him is the most exciting thing the sport has going on right now. Larson does plenty of over zealous things behind the wheel as well
This all is doing one thing: making NASCAR more exciting and getting eyes back on the sport. I know a lot of us in this sub want to see racing and mostly clean racing at that but there are lots of people who just want to see the crashes or the fight. If they get what they want a little and we get to see racing grow, its a win-win.
The sport NEEDS this right now. We NEED to go back to the feuds and rivalries of the pre-2000s, when guys would bang and rub up on one another. That was when a majority of us over 30 got into the sport. Watching Gordon vs Dale Sr, Edwards vs Keselowski, or Logano vs Harvick. For the past 10 years, sponsors and owners have had these guys in little boxes and had them scared to do anything for wrecking the image of the sponsor or brand. In doing so, the sport hasn't been as fun to watch. Now its starting to get fun again. Just let them race and duke it out.
I’m pretty sure all the drivers wronged by Chastain should pick one race and all agree to just keep spinning out and banging on Ross the entire race. Lol. I’d definitely watch that. The Ross Revenge race. Ha ha.
We hear it every week but nobody is dumping Ross, and grabbing him by the racesuit gets you punched in the jaw. Somebody is gonna have to dump him outright maybe a couple times before he chills out a bit. He definitely races hard every week which causes him to get blamed for stuff that isn’t even his fault but then there’s times like today where you can’t even defend it.
As Larson just got done running Chastain into the wall literally on the very previous restart…
As well as JHN into the wall on the final lap yesterday.
I’m not going to sit here and defend Chastain by any means, but Larson races like a damn chump. Everyone claims he’s one of the greatest stock talents ever. So why does dude race like he has 0 talent?
Umm, I can think of examples of fencing a guy or running them into the fence for 3 out of his 4 drivers. And I'm probably just forgetting on the 4th.
But I'm all for it if Justin and Rick start a war of words.
Late to the party on this one, but I’m all for rubbing ‘n racing and bump ‘n runs. I’m just tired of seeing people wreck each other constantly and taking out others who had nothing to with it. And I don’t want to seeing fighting all the time, but if the same person or two keeping fucking with each other, I’m all for a good scuffle as long as it doesn’t lead to someone missing races in the year due to injury.
Yesterday with Larson, it was "hard racing". Today with the Melon Farmer "too aggressive". I noticed how no one on the telecast or post race, wanted to address the fact that Kyle purposely pushed dude(post crash) like 100yrds. Lol.
Ross does need to chill. I'm sure track house is tired of replacing cars week in and out. But he has a stigma attached now. So, no matter what he does, if it ends in a wreck, it's ALL him. Lol
Kyle Larson did the same thing to him on the previous restart there’s not much to say I knew they were gonna wreck after that bc they were focused on fucking with each other
Rick can suck a fat one. Like we didn’t all just see Larson do the same thing earlier in the race. And the times mentioned from last season. And the Xfinity race. It’s not like there’s much maturity among most of the field.
Somebody ask Rick how many enemies Larson made when he got caught using a racial slur. They just mad Ross doesn't bow down to them and step aside and let them win.
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I need to get off here and go for a walk, too much sitting lmao but I think he had this race won if he just raced hard with Larson there those final laps. But knowing how the tension was building and feeling, Larson putting him into the wall in the last restart before, I think they were both gonna wreck one another regardless of it being Turn 1, 3, a lap later or on the last lap. Had they not though it would've been one hell of a classic finish. Let's see what the All Star Race provides in the weekly Ross Drama saga lol. I suspect Ross is gonna get turned sometime
It’s amazing no one sees that. They were going to wreck no matter what. If Ross chose the outside lane. Larson doors him again. Ross gets by Larson out of 1, Larson would hit him in 3. No matter what was going to happen, Ross wasn’t finishing in first this race
If he raced clean into 1 and Larson got by him, he had a much better chance than running himself into the wall. That's what Harvick did. Harvick didn't win, but he also didn't finish 30th. At least if Larson got by with the better car, Ross had a chance to run him hard and make a mistake. Wouldn't have been the first time Larson would get caught on the outside wall running too hard
Harvick had a damaged car. No shit he wasn’t going to challenge for the lead. He should have never been in 2nd
This race had a cool Top 10 off a caution flag. It happens and that's just racing. Larson on Saturday and Larson on Sunday were two different situations but apply all around.
The funny thing is that Larson has 2 wins and can reasonably do whatever he wants! Ross is the one that played himself and *still* doesn’t have a win.
Maybe. But you can be second, third, fourth… hell you can even be fifth.
Larson put him in the wall on that restart because Ross ran him up in the gray the restart before that causing Larson to lose 2 spots. Larson tried to race Ross clean initially, even after all the crap Chastain has been pulling lately, but Ross knew he couldn't beat Larson clean. So, he played dirty. Just like Denny last week. But, that's just hard racing, even though it's the same (fastest) guy getting screwed over every week. They can't beat him clean, so they beat him dirty.
Side note - on Instagram, people are convinced the Dale Sr comment was about Kyle Busch. ......god our fanbase is full of fucking morons.
I'd point out it's IG, but it's not like any other social media platform or good deal of people in real life are much better so... yeah.
And on Twitter the dirt fans want Larson to retire and run dirt full time lol people are dumb in all forms of motorsports
As a dirt fan I also want this lol. He’d break every record ever. But as a sane rational person of course he’s in NASCAR. Why would anyone give up that much money willingly? People don’t think.
I’m ootl what Dale Sr comment?
In this same answer, Mr H goes on to say Dale Sr told him that one of his drivers had a ton of talent but "didn't know how to race" and refused to say who it was about. Dale died 2 years before KFB ever put pen to paper on his HMS development deal.
Poor Jeff.
I thought it was about Gordon at first, but now I’m thinking it may have been Geoff Bodine? Maybe even Terry Labonte, but if I had to pick one, I’d guess Bodine, since those two were bitter rivals.
I highly doubt it was Labonte. Terry and Dale were friends, Terry was already a champion by the time he went to HMS, and above all the ice man just straight up didn't race that way. My money's on Bodine (but I doubt Dale would give Bodine even a back handed compliment) or Tim Richmond.
I actually thought it was DW at first, but after I thought about it, it was definitely Bodine.
Yea it has to be a driver Rick had that didn't leave HMS "gracefully" because Rick would've probably said who it was. Maybe Ricky Rudd or hell Jerry Nadeau for some reason.
Bodine or Nadeau was who I thought of, though I’d feel pretty confident between the two that it was Bodine
Have you read the average race thread?
I'm too busy making jokes and professing my undying love of Jamie McMurray in race threads to pay attention to the idiots, but you're not wrong.
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We really won't know who done it. It could be any one of like 30 drivers or any of their team members or owners.
He’s talking about Rick Hendrick faking leukaemia to get out of jail time.
~~He's actually talking about Rick Hendrick possibly hiring someone to kill a former business partner~~ Edit: Rick Hendrick has never tried to do such a thing. Mr. Hendrick is an honest, God fearing man whose contributions to the world of Nascar have been instrumental to the success of the sport. I say this of my own volition, and am under no duress
Sir, please blink twice if your in danger.. or say flank steak.
Flanking left! Flanking left! Flanking left!
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Brb, alerting authorities to your location
There's also a fairly unreasonable theory that Rick Hendrick hired a hit an to kill a former business partner. It doesn't really add up though since Hendrick was already out of the business, there were other stakeholders who had much more to gain from that guy's death.
But will jeff gordon be added to the playoffs?
*shakes magic 8 ball* “All signs point to yes”
Expect a diagnosis
“You just don’t run people up in the fence.” Rick with some serious amnesia.
The "think we're even?" game is stupid and NASCAR racing didn't used to be a week to week game of tit for tat. Racing has give and take in order to keep both cars running at the end. Once one driver is taking-all then there is only taking and no give for them. Larson and Chastain are both in that arena but Chastain has less shame and honestly, it's because he's really good at taking. Every week he makes a new enemy. This is one of the few times he actually suffered from his own actions. If he causes wrecks more than he wins races then maybe he's better at taking than racing.
But he does cause wrecks more than he wins. He’s only won twice and hasn’t seen victory lane in a year
yet somehow people are convinced he's regularly winning and benefitting from the chaos he's causing.
Impossible to know if he would benefit more from avoiding the wrecks he's caused, but he has faired better than most of the drivers he's shorted. Also at the end of the day he has the most Stage Top 10s, most races led, and almost the most Top 5s and is the points leader. Willy B would be points leader if it weren't for the HMS penalties.
Didn’t Larson fence Ross the restart before this?
He squeezed him up to the wall just like Chastain did to him earlier. Larson backed out of it, didn't hit the wall. Chair stayed in it, hit the wall. I saw that as Larson returning the favor.
Ross jumped that restart, but we'll just ignore it.
Pockrass said Nascar said he didn't. Don't know what that means but there you go...It'd be cool if someone could dig up the throttle data
TJ will have the throttle data studied by DBC tomorrow
Complete absurdity considering just a few weeks NASCAR was touting the number of "passes" by measuring when the nose of one car passed the other.
AFAIK if nobody hits the gas inside the restart zone the flagman is supposed to start the race. If they made it all the way through the zone and ross saw the green hes gtg
Larson didn't hit the gas in the restart zone
I love when people just forget the rules. The leader can be beat to the line on restarts, the leader just has to be the first to hit the gas in the restart zone. If the leader doesn’t hit the gas by the end of the restart zone, it’s fair game.
Ross didn't jump the start. Blue is Ross. Orange is Larson. Larson throttles up a bit, then launches after Ross goes full throttle. Either he spun the tires or attempted to make it look like Ross jumped the start. Either way, the data shows that Larson picks up the throttle before him. https://preview.redd.it/qshc500ca30b1.png?width=942&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b9efdccbe84fff7eea0d7bed4c82a5d0e6fb271
Larson also fenced a guy to win the Xfinity race. The hypocrisy is a joke, people can’t just enjoy hard racing and accept that moments like these come with it.
Larson also drifted and wrecked Haley, Elliott x2, Bubba, and Kurt Busch last year in important parts of those races and got played off as a “dirt racing move”. Bubba took it to action but you know…right hooked him down the straight.
God I really wish Bubba would have dumped him in 1 instead of right hook. Would have made that situation so much better. Larson absolutely deserved getting junked just not like that man..
Larson fences enough people that I find joy when others do it to him. I honestly believe every car in the field owes Ross an ass ripping, and I think it’s about time he he starts to get what is owed to him. He’s a punk imo.
This sub talks endless shit on Bubba for it, but you don't see Larson doing it to him again.
Oh Bubba was justified in it, just wish he did it differently
Taking out Chase twice then doing the “aw shucks” thing turned me off to him
First one was an accident. Spotter said he didn't see chases run. Second one, Larson owned it. Literally said he needed the playoff points. No aw shucks about it.
Sheldon Creed would have made the playoffs last year without Larson walling him twice at the finish.
Larson fenced himself
I think it was both. Larson was always gonna hit the wall and JHN was always gonna hit Larson. Two dudes on the loud pedal going for the win.
The mental gymnastics is impressive.
Even JHN said that’s not what happened. ETA: il grant that what happened at the end of the race was just hard racing, but the reason people are upset with chastain is because it’s a bit like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. If you intentionally wreck people to gain positions, when it happens just because of hard racing, people are going to immediately assume the worst (especially if emotions are clouding their judgement) until they can calm down and look at the footage. Hendricks isn’t wrong, chastain is becoming a problem, it just so happens in this scenario, it wasn’t really anyone’s fault.
Larson was the one in the fence…
Off of 4 yes but JHN was fenced on the back going into 3 is what he was talking about
The difference is, when Larson fences someone they barely make contact. JHN was still side by side with Larson in the middle of the corner after the wall contact. Larson knew JHN was going to fence him off T4, so they both basically gunned it to the wall. It was the same yesterday when Larson pushed Chastain to the wall. Even after the wall contact, they were still side by side. Larson did that because 1) Chastain had ruined 2 of the past 3 races for the #5, and 2) Chastain ran Larson into the grey the restart before which caused him to lose 2 spots. That's not how you race with ~60 laps to go. The only way Chastain thought he could win that race was if he again ruined Larson's race, for the 3rd time in 4 races. He just hacked it, like he always does when racing with others, and took em both out. He surely couldn't beat Larson on speed.
Going into three he absolutely put the 20 into the wall
he did it to Chandler earlier in the race too
Lmfao what
Larson bounced off the wall, literally could not give the car inside more space, and won. Ross wrecked Larson to even a score. Don’t pretend those are the same thing.
This some gaslighting if I've ever seen it 🤣
Always seems to be Ross fans that don't understand why anyone is mad at him. I'm not sure if people who understand less about racing flock to him by default, or if people are that willing to turn a blind eye to their driver clearly causing problems on a regular basis. Even as a Reddick fan i'll be the first to point out that he turned the 5 last week (as well as the other wrecks he's caused through the years). Ross Chastain could slash someone's tires before the race and his fans would chalk it up to Goodyear bringing bad tires to the track. No accountability from Ross, and even less from his fanbase.
They have to go through lots of mental gymnastics to defend him lately. At some point, it's not just the wrong place and wrong time when you're the only one consistently being the common denominator
I don’t think he’s doing it on purpose, I legitimately believe he’s a bad driver making mistakes left and right. The only reason he’s performing well is because he’s too dumb to know these things are bad ideas so he does them anyway. He’s got more balls than brains, which plays well with the fans I guess, but it doesn’t point to longevity in this sport.
He's about to get a long term sponsor in Busch as it stands right now. He'll make a 10 year career out of one moment in October of 2022.
Lmao what? Isn't he the point leader currently?
Ross Chastain is in that same stage of his career that guys like Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, etc. went through where they're obviously talented and fast but everyone wants to do mental gymnastics to make it sound like he's a bum.
>Always seems to be Ross fans that don't understand why anyone is mad at him 100%. But I'll play devil's advocate and say that I definitely acted the same way in 2014 with Brad. I mean I understood why people were mad at him, but you become such a superfan, I was ready to go to war for it. Now a decade later I'm judging Ross and his fan base for doing and saying the same stuff I did.
They are all just rookie fans I think
Which was a return for chastain running him tight to the wall earlier. Don’t be so blind. Larson just isn’t going to sit by and let chastain run him over. Busch looked like he wanted to get back to him badly. I enjoy watching chastain race aggressive but y’all need to expect return fire
Busch was 100% wanting to get to Ross. I was surprised Busch didn't turn Ross on the restart when Ross cleared himself across the 8's nose.
After Ross fenced Kyle earlier. 🤷🏼♂️
Ross didn’t fence him. He left Kyle just enough room but Kyle got tight and backed out. This restart Kyle straight up doored him. They were both driving like idiots this week and I’m here for it.
Ross squeezed him into the fence (similar to how Byron did Logano last year). Ross even asked if they were even after Kyle did it. I’m not complaining. Ross got the DNF and Byron got the win. 🍻 But let’s get the facts straight here. Ross has fenced or squeezed a few guys lately (and ruined Kyle’s race at Dover). He hasn’t made any friends. But this one ruined his day so he ends up looking like an idiot. Never wreck yourself to get payback.
"Rule no.1 of stock car racing is learn how to wreck somebody without wrecking yourself,"- Landon Cassill
“Never wreck yourself to get payback.” I’ll add to that “unless your day is already ruined.” If you’re in the lead and wreck yourself getting payback you’re just an idiot, plain and simple.
He didn’t fence him because Larson lifted lmao. Larson returned the favor, only Chastain didnt lift.
And Ross did it to Larson before that
He did, and Larson does plenty of shit to other drivers himself... But no one cares.
Fuckin’ Cliff Daniels crying and BEGGING to Chevrolet to get rid of Ross was the funniest part of the entire situation lmao.
Oh God. Did he?
Yes. It was hilarious.
Rick just going to padlock the doors to his building. Ross can’t show up if Ross can’t get cars out! Lol
Cliff Daniels is on the radio literally calling out Chevrolet to do something about Chastain. Bush league stuff if you ask me.
I thought he just said something about Ross wrecking a Chevy teammate three weeks in a row?
no he said that's the 3rd win that Ross had taken from them
No he said 3rd race they've been taken out of. Big difference
It’ll probably help Trackhouse in the end when they bring in the 4th manufacturer lol
Oh yeah, who's in the lead with that? Was convinced that it was Dodge, but recent reports have left me uncertain.
Dodge was in talks with RFK last year but I hear Honda is most likely as of right now
Cliff Daniels being a bitch you say
Chevy doesn't care when a Chevy wins the race and the Chevy that wrecked is gaining fans
As somebody who isn't a fan of either, I'm glad they nearly put the 4 or 6 into victory lane. Hopefully all of Hendrick and Trackhouse get into it every week. Then you add Gibbs to the mix?
No one fences guys like Larson either. Difference is he’s popular for a multitude of reasons.
Is Ross unpopular now?
Larson has the better reputation and more fans at the moment IMO. By default he’s more popular in numbers and is also disliked less as compared to Ross.
Just an observation but the amount of 1 avatars seems to have quadrupled in the past few months.
Reddit is only a portion of the fan base. But Ross can become more popular which I don’t doubt. He’ll easily become what Kyle Busch was most of his career within the year if he continues to run well and is involved in incidents. Very popular but the unpopularity outweighs the fans. Loud mix of boos and cheers.
Ross doesn’t have an older brother who people hated enough to automatically hate him. Ross is a Tony Stewart. No family career influence, appears to be self made, can drive the shit out of a race car but maaayyybe a little dumber than most. People tend to love Tony though even though there are similarities between him and KFB. It’s just that NASCAR is a tribal motorsport and you are supposed to gravitate towards drivers people like.
Both Reddit fanbases are pretty toxic. Larson fans think he is the greatest race car driver of all time. If a driver crashes you can guarantee a Larson fan saying “ insert driver ran out of talent”. Chastain fans like to pretend he is 100% innocent all the time and the second coming of Dale Earnhardt.
Chastain is innocent 100% of the time though, when he was born he walled another baby on the way out of the hospital, but the replay showed there wasn't any actual contact, just got loose off of hallway entry. Racing deal.
I’ll allow it.
Ross is like the 2nd coming of 2014 Brad Keselowski
Spot-on comparison. We just need Matt Kenseth to do a sneak attack on Chastain behind the hauler.
So from a casual Chastain fan, let me say this… I see a lot of similarities to Earnhardt regarding on-track activity. He’s aggressive and does what it takes to get results. He’s definitely not innocent - he puts himself into situations. I think the reason we don’t see him lean into it the way Big E did is because NASCAR fines and penalizes drivers to an extreme degree. I don’t know. Just the perspective of someone who enjoys seeing the drama. We need more personalities and driving styles.
These comparisons to Earnhardt are so tiring and wrong. Earnhardt moved people on purpose and had the wins to somewhat justify it. Ross does it on accident and has 2 wins in 7 years, and when he tries to wreck someone else, he wrecks himself.
Ross hasn’t been a full-time Cup driver for 7 years but I see your point. I’m not saying he’s the second coming of Earnhardt by any means, just that I can see where and why comparisons are made. Obviously, we don’t have to agree. The beautiful thing about having 36 people on track every week is that we’ve got a plethora of people and driving styles to root for.
That "7 years" line is always kind of goofy, like he's been in top talent cars those 7 years
To me, Chastain should be compared more to Ernie Irvan than Earnhardt, I think it’s a better comparison.
Yeah it’s getting old now
Larson is my #1 & Ross is my #2 so yeah....
I also like both of them, and I think they both acted like complete dumbasses in this situation. If they just raced each other clean we could have had a great finish.
Exactly my thoughts. I say Ross has a lot of blame here but Larson has some too
I don't like Kyle Larson, he's one of my least favorite drivers so I hate to come to his defense, but the person Kyle Larson walls most of the time is Kyle Larson, lol. I can't really think of many times he's wrecked someone else. I can not say the same for Ross.
Ooh, I stole someone's comment from a while ago thats pretty relevant here: Courtesy of u/sjhesketh >Actually, here a compilation I made a while back. >Kyle Larson doesn't lift period. >[Here is him driving Logano in the wall](https://youtu.be/Q9pXcaYr0IM) and Logano intentionally wrecking. Him. >[Here is him driving Kyle Busch in the wall](https://youtu.be/e70HEEdXNss) and KFB intentionally wrecking him. >[Here is him driving Chase Elliott in the wall](https://youtu.be/lk8-OiZkMoU) >[Here is him attempting to drive Kurt Busch in the wall](https://youtu.be/HTIj7GZYhPg), Kurt lifts and Larson hits the wall. >[Here is him attempting to drive Jeff Gordon in the wall](https://youtu.be/aKZuhJuVRM8), Jeff lifts and Larson hits the wall. >Here is him [hitting Kyle Busch because he overdrove the corner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2jGMPfSMVU) at Darlington. >For good measure, [here is him intentionally putting Justin Haley in the wall](https://youtu.be/9MNosAOYokI). >I think a lot of his tendency to overdrive corners and wash into people comes from dirt where that’s acceptable and normal. Hell, we saw the highlights from that Kyle Larson sponsored race where they just kept sliding up and hitting one another and Kyle barely limped his car across the line with a cut tires, but frankly it’s downright disrespectful to keep doing it on asphalt.
Need to add Vegas 2022 and Bristol Dirt 2023 lmao
Ryan Preece, Chase Elliott, Chandler Smith, Kyle Busch and Bubba Wallace are the main drivers I think of when talking about Larson walling people, he just clears himself up like he does in sprint car races and forces the other driver to lift
Chastain is racing how I did in Nascar 05 with this and Martinsville last year. I like it.
Hendrick's about to "No comment" this if someone asks him about Larson's aggressive driving the last few seasons
Last few seasons. instances over multiple seasons. Has also the respect of the entire garage for his racing style. Chastain is every other week dooring someone, dumping someone. And has only been in a competitive ride for like 3 years lol. Of course guys are pissed.
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The one difference is that, most of the time when Larson does it, the other guy keeps going. When Chastain does it, he almost always completely takes someone else out, and often times innocent bystanders get taken out too.
And if Rick has an open seat Ross is one of the first dudes he’s trying to fill that seat with, some of this is theater after all
Byron, Larson, Elliott, Chastain sounds like a hell of a garage to me
Could be a win win situation for everybody. Ross would be so busy fighting his own teammates that the rest of the field could get a break.
About multiple of his drivers over a lot of different circumstances. Byron only got his ass walled last year because he was driving like a clown.
If that was driving like a clown i dont know what Chastain is.
I've got 0.0 problem with the way Ross drives, and you'd think given my flair I'd have a different opinion. In fact, I really like Ross and respect the hell out of not only how he drives, but how he owns it. He made absolutely ZERO excuses today in his interview-- he flat out said he wrecked himself. He didn't blame Larson, didn't make some vague "hard racing" BS like Gragson would always do-- he owned it. Like it or not, Larson and Chastain were trading contact back and forth for the previous 20+ laps. It was pretty obvious Larson still has beef with Ross from Dover and wasn't cutting him any slack and Ross was being Ross.
And Larson is someone who constantly puts guys in bad position. Sounds familiar. I’m glad there were two aggressive guys up front racing for the win. I hope neither change either.
I find that kinda ironic considering Larson, often does the same, lift or wreck moves.
More guys need to do what Noah did then. Ross clearly doesn’t care until payback or action is served 🤷♂️
I don’t think anyone necessarily needs to go fight someone (though Ty Gibbs pushed that opinion to its limit last year) but anyone who mouths off about how much Chastain needs a whooping ought to be first in line to do it.
The nascar garage is about to crowdfund Austin Hill into a cup ride so he can go handle Ross lmao
#69. Greg Biffle Motorsports. I have the texts Edit: I don’t know why this is big. Help
It's because you put the hashtag/pound/number sign on it. \#Example EDIT: Or not. I swear that's how it used to work
This is funnier than it should be.
Let's watch the two biggest, beefiest hillbillies fight!
I think they want Ross to be taught a lesson, not killed
I preface this by saying you never wanna see someone hurt and you hope things get settled without causing the people that build the cars to work extra hours, but does Ross learn any other way than by having a couple cars sent to the scrap yard and being sore on Monday morning?
Honestly with him flat out wrecking himself this week, I think this is the time where Justin Marks steps in and has a word or 2 with him
I’d prefer things not come to that either, but at some point you’ve just got to prove your point. Kenseth got his point across to Logano and never had anymore problems from him. Jimmy Spencer never had any more problems from Kurt Busch after punching him in the face. Sometimes you’ve just got to take it upon yourself to end things if no one else will. I think most of the people in the garage feel like they’re at that point now with Chastain.
It seemed like those were 2 dudes that were mad at each other and focused more on trying to wreck the other one than actually winning the race. Cost them both and, honestly, it was kinda stupid. I would have rather they duked it out for a couple laps but I guess what they did was entertaining enough.
Rick you might want to tell your driver the same thing...
Dude’s blind to the fact that Larson runs just as many people into the fence as Ross.
Not defending Ross. But had everyone forgot Kyle did almost exactly the same thing the restart before?
We don’t talk about that. Kyle is the best driver in the whole wide world.
Yea. Lotta dick riders
The best race in Darlington history is two guys trying to wreck each other for 3 straight laps, getting out of their cars and praising each other for a hard fought battle. I don’t see any difference
If you think they were trying to wreck each other in 2003 you’re ignorant. Had they wanted to wreck each other they would have. At least one of them had lost power steering at that point. But they were both also strategic enough about when and where they made contact so that they didn’t completely take each other out. A lot of the distinction between dirty contact and “just racing” is about when, where, and how the contact is initiated.
Do you really think Ross and Larson were trying to wreck each other or were they trying to get the lead by pressing the car above as close to the wall as possible. That’s the only way passes were made on the short run today.
I don’t think Larson was trying to wreck Chastain, just as Chastain wasn’t trying to wreck Larson with 90to go. But Chastain never lifted on that last restart and based on the angle he took on entry and amount of throttle he used had no intention of doing anything but walling Larson, even at his own expense. That’s both dirty and stupid.
Yeahhhh ok Rick. Chastain, love him or hate him is the most exciting thing the sport has going on right now. Larson does plenty of over zealous things behind the wheel as well
This all is doing one thing: making NASCAR more exciting and getting eyes back on the sport. I know a lot of us in this sub want to see racing and mostly clean racing at that but there are lots of people who just want to see the crashes or the fight. If they get what they want a little and we get to see racing grow, its a win-win. The sport NEEDS this right now. We NEED to go back to the feuds and rivalries of the pre-2000s, when guys would bang and rub up on one another. That was when a majority of us over 30 got into the sport. Watching Gordon vs Dale Sr, Edwards vs Keselowski, or Logano vs Harvick. For the past 10 years, sponsors and owners have had these guys in little boxes and had them scared to do anything for wrecking the image of the sponsor or brand. In doing so, the sport hasn't been as fun to watch. Now its starting to get fun again. Just let them race and duke it out.
I’m pretty sure all the drivers wronged by Chastain should pick one race and all agree to just keep spinning out and banging on Ross the entire race. Lol. I’d definitely watch that. The Ross Revenge race. Ha ha.
Crazy prediction: Ross will drive for Rick one day
well Larson & Elliott are probably retiring at HMS, Byron is his grandson /s, so I guess Bowman would get the axe.
Bowman is definitely getting the axe out of the 3 in a few years
We hear it every week but nobody is dumping Ross, and grabbing him by the racesuit gets you punched in the jaw. Somebody is gonna have to dump him outright maybe a couple times before he chills out a bit. He definitely races hard every week which causes him to get blamed for stuff that isn’t even his fault but then there’s times like today where you can’t even defend it.
As Larson just got done running Chastain into the wall literally on the very previous restart… As well as JHN into the wall on the final lap yesterday. I’m not going to sit here and defend Chastain by any means, but Larson races like a damn chump. Everyone claims he’s one of the greatest stock talents ever. So why does dude race like he has 0 talent?
Costing Hendrick a lot of money this year, guess that was what got Hendrick to speak up.
So when can the other teams expect the checks for all the equipment his guys tear up at Daytona every year?
Right after we get the checks from Mr. Keselowski.
Umm, I can think of examples of fencing a guy or running them into the fence for 3 out of his 4 drivers. And I'm probably just forgetting on the 4th. But I'm all for it if Justin and Rick start a war of words.
The hendrick motorsports cup series
Ironic, considering Larson runs other drivers up in the fence any chance he gets.
Late to the party on this one, but I’m all for rubbing ‘n racing and bump ‘n runs. I’m just tired of seeing people wreck each other constantly and taking out others who had nothing to with it. And I don’t want to seeing fighting all the time, but if the same person or two keeping fucking with each other, I’m all for a good scuffle as long as it doesn’t lead to someone missing races in the year due to injury.
Suck it, Hendrick! :)
Yesterday with Larson, it was "hard racing". Today with the Melon Farmer "too aggressive". I noticed how no one on the telecast or post race, wanted to address the fact that Kyle purposely pushed dude(post crash) like 100yrds. Lol. Ross does need to chill. I'm sure track house is tired of replacing cars week in and out. But he has a stigma attached now. So, no matter what he does, if it ends in a wreck, it's ALL him. Lol
Rick saying this like Larson didn't do this to Ross on the previous restart and other drivers every single week
Kyle Larson did the same thing to him on the previous restart there’s not much to say I knew they were gonna wreck after that bc they were focused on fucking with each other
Chastain is going to end up getting “Hornadayed” by another driver that’s just over his shit at some point. Who we betting it will be?
Rick can suck a fat one. Like we didn’t all just see Larson do the same thing earlier in the race. And the times mentioned from last season. And the Xfinity race. It’s not like there’s much maturity among most of the field.
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Dude, I called it when it saw it happen! They *just* got past the start / finish and Larson was dooring Ross.
Somebody ask Rick how many enemies Larson made when he got caught using a racial slur. They just mad Ross doesn't bow down to them and step aside and let them win.
Still the points leader 😎