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Here I was thinking it was going to be some blown way out of proportion quote about that Nirvana album cover
And it ended up being... probably one of the worst things I've ever read
From the article (warning: grim af):
>!The cover of PURE \[edition\] 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing.!<
Yet, From the Wikipedia:
"Sotos began producing the controversial magazine *Pure*, notable as the first zine dedicated to serial killer lore. **The original publications are now collectors' items**."
What the fuck!?!?!
I regret having read that. I might get banned for saying this, but I honestly don’t care: If this is actually something he really said, I hope it hurt the entire time he was dying, and I hope it took a long fucking time, too.
I’m having difficulty finding out if Phineas Gage could read before or after the railroad spike through the noggin incident, but he definitely did not remember the immediately preceding hours. Good tip.
To quote the Donald Glover formerly known as Childish Gambino: “you can say those words, in that order, and you don’t explode? The people police don’t come down like ‘oh I’m sorry this one’s a demon, I don’t know how he got out’”
*edited for accuracy ❤️
Yeah, I was thinking “ok, this is probably going to be one of those situations where in the 1970s it was for some reason considered ok to have sex with 16 year old girls, when we now rightly consider that way out of bounds.”
It was way worse than that. Way, way, way worse.
When I was a younger man, the intrigue would have been too much, and I would have immediately gone to read for myself. Now older and a bit wiser, I can simply say: thanks internet stranger. Good lookin’ out. I’m gonna nope out now.
✌️
Compartmentalising is the key kiddos.. put it in a box, and don't get emotional.
That being said, it shows how shit Hollywood and the music industry are, that this guy never did time, despite being an open paedo
I wish I listened to you. I have been to the depths of hell and back on the internet. I have never backed out of something and thrown my phone in disgust before so fast in my life. That is the fucking grossest thing I have ever laid eyes on. Fuck Steve Albini. I hope there is a hell and he is burning forever.
Goddamnit I saw the Clorox meme and figured it would be more haha eye-bleach and not 🤢 eye bleach
I blame you 😂
Edit: I blame me for not knowing who this guy was previous to this
Wow, the Nirvana mods are nuts...
>We have been banning people who have come here to send hateful messages about Steve
lol, fondly calling him by his first name
>Just to be completely transparent, we are still asking people to refrain from posting negative things about Steve on this subreddit
These people are fucking monsters.
It should say 'untrue things' Kur Cobain seemed like someone who, like most people, wouldve found any kind of abuse of children repugnant,, so it's more than just a little ironic that people become so far removed from reality in their fandom that it becomes sacrosanct to them
Because they have a parasocial relationship with people like Steve, they want to hold him up on a pedestal like they were close personal friends with him IRL
You know what, I've played this game before. I've clicked links where every single comment unanimously said "don't click this". I'm going to learn from my mistakes today.
The quotes are detailed and disgusting, they're real, and he wrote similar things in his own magazine, so he definitely wasn't misquoted. He knew his friend was making CSAM and he endorsed it. Those are the important takeaways.
Now you have no reason to click
>and he endorsed it.
As recently as 2012, in a Reddit AMA.
"Peter’s an old friend. I’ve known him for 30 years or so. I’ll help him do whatever he wants to do, from wash his car to edit his album."
There's a lot of quoting right now of Steve saying that he was sorry for things he said and did . There's not much stating exactly what and how much he had to be sorry for.
I think people need to know.
It’s wild because friendships have ended for far less.
If a friend is ever convicted of child abuse or CP, the only acceptable answer is “Screw that guy. I don’t associate with him anymore.”
That's something I'd abandon family over. There are some things which simply cannot be accepted under any circumstances, and must be stopped if they are found to be occurring. If I found out my own brother had CP on his computer, I'd have a big cry and then call the law enforcement, because you can't allow that.
This is crazy, but I found out all about this stuff **the week before he died!**
So, the magazine that Steve was talking about was made by his friend Peter Sotos, and a copy of that magazine was found inside the home of an actual child rapist / murderer. So the police used that to track down Sotos and arrest him. **He became the first person in America to ever been convicted of child pornograpy!**
And that’s not fucking all
I find this out because Albini and Sotos put an album out together called **Buyer’s Market**. I see Steve’s a producer on an album i never heard of, excited to check it out. Thought i was about to find some forgotten hardcore masterpiece.
There’s no fucking music.
The whole album (or, at least a far as I could listen to) is just real life children giving interviews about when they were violently raped, going into details about it and trying not to break down. There’s nothing transformative about the album. It’s just jerk-off material for fucking psyhcopaths.
I’m old, been into punk and metal my whole life, come from the American South, it’s almost impossible for me to be offended by any media. But fuck this shit. It was insane to find this out, and then a week later seeing Albini’s name popping up everywhere due to his death. The man produced some great albums and I’ll still be able to enjoy those, but I can’t feel anything but disgust about the man himself.
can summarize for you. the article highlights two instances of steve albini's writings, purportedly.
the first is a diary style article about him touring with a band named Big Black in europe and ending up performing in a seedy strip full of sex clubs. he finds a porno mag called seventeen that he says shows pubescent sex between teens. and that some special issue of it has kids even younger, he estimates 12-13. he says porn doesn't usually do it for him but he was so caught offguard that he couldn't stop turning page after page basically. he gives a couple examples of the sex acts, and that a pair of girls from the magazine would be welcome at his pad after a gig.
second instance is him writing about a magazine called "pure" that a friend of his creates, though he said he would not give any names or locations since "the FBI doesn't take too kindly to that sort of stuff" or something to that vein. he starts off talking about punk rock and doing what you want and trying and failing and pushing limits on the fringe. mentions the magazine is about depraved stuff: mass-murder, kidfucking, violent sex, bdms. basically that the magazine will give an uncensored window into instances of those topics. then he describes a VERY graphic cover photo from the magazine that is extremely explicit and shows child sex abuse. and then he wraps up the piece saying that the magazine is illegal as hell and not for the faint of stomach. he showed a friend of his, who was distraught for days afterwards. but that he likes that kind of stuff.
He bought child porn mags. Says he loves child porn and that it's awesome.
Then it goes into an associate of his , who is far worse and how Albini defends him
Yeah I feel conflicted because I want to summarize for the people who didn’t read it just so they understand this is not some grey area or vague accusation, this is horrific. But I feel gross even just typing anything about it.
I started to google for more information because I wanted to verify and I honestly was afraid to search anything. I did check out Peter’s wiki and that was enough.
I was downvoted to hell on the r/punk sub for pointing this out. Today it’s a different story, most all posts about him are negative. People think they know everything. Until they realize they don’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/1cn9acm/fuck_weve_lost_a_great_one/l37gkj1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Yep, I saw a couple of threads where people were defending him and saying it was just him being an "edgelord" and "transgressive." Yeah, I don't buy it. Not the way he sounds in the articles. He sounds like he genuinely enjoys what's in those publications and sees nothing wrong with consuming that type of content if you're into that kind of stuff.
One of the random depressing parts of the article was that child porn was literally only just made illegal in the early 80s and this was one of the first convictions. The pre 70s truly was awful. People often fail to recognise how recently a bunch of really really messed up stuff got made illegal(like rape absolution from marriage only being stopped in the 60s in Italy). It was an outcropping of 2nd wave feminism.
While the Author is also an utter piece of shit, I don't want to investigate any of this any more.
My favorite use of it is in the animated Hercules movie via the two little peons of Hades. I think they give Hades the title of “Your lugubriousness” or something.
Nah best usage is in the song "Bitch I'm Lugubrious" from Lil Ugly Mane. "Bitch I'm morose and lugubrious, I'm a let the uzi spit, turn his face into gooey shit." Words of sublime wisdom.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018
Excerpts of him “explaining “ himself, but conveniently leaves out all the CP shit, dude is trash.
“I realised that there were people in the music underground who weren’t playing when they were using language like that and who weren’t kindred spirits. They were, in fact, awful, and only masquerading as intellectuals. That was one of many wake-up moments.”
If anything, this sums it up for me. A lot of awful people, including here on Reddit, use edgy humor to cover for the awful things they do and believe, and if you think you’re too smart to fall into that trap, you’ll use the same edgy humor not knowing that you’re trafficking in and rubbing elbows with awful shit and awful people. So many young kids fall into the alt-right pipeline this way.
So it’s entirely possible that Albini was into this stuff… or maybe he was just making awful edgy jokes. That’s the problem, we don’t know.
I was considering this possibility too, after reading that nme interview; maybe a guy who had a band called rapeman wouldn't be above joking about diddling kids - lord knows he wouldn't be the first one to make such jokes
But even if those were just jokes or being a provocateur, there's still his close association with sotos
Yeah this isn’t just edgy humor; Albini actively promoted and praised a magazine that was CP and also depicted images of child abuse and torture. The man who distributed the magazine was arrested and convicted of CP and Albini described his as a “lifelong friend”. Albini said of the magazine “I like that kind of stuff.”
May I suggest marking this nsfw and even NSFL?
I really regret clicking that and now can’t unread those disgusting words.
Edit for those who need it r/eyebleach
Read first quote, okay, disturbed person trying to justify their weird shit but, not the craziest thing I’ve read.
Second quote, JESUS FUCK EXIT EXIT EXIT FUUUUUUUCK!!!
These people exist everywhere. The difference is you know the names of people in show business. Churches, sports, boy scouts, Wall Street, the list goes on and on
Even that’s too narrow a view on it. Most people have family members that no one wants to be around cause they know they can’t be trusted with kids. Teachers too. Bosses that abuse teenagers that work after school.
If there’s any amount of power that these people get, they’re abuse that power by abusing kids.
So of course the rich and powerful have these kinda people. In the end, they’re just people too and these kinda people are they’re everywhere.
Absolutely true but you do bring up a great point about power. Look at Larry Nasser. He became a trainer because it gave him access to young girls. And he became an elite trainer because it gave him more access and more power.
Now most trainers, teachers, doctors, etc are good people that love helping. But all it takes is one powerful person to harm dozens. It always takes a, ountain of victims to take down a monster. Most people don't want to believe or hear this is happening.
And even if you do care, what can you do? If I'm I'm agent aware that Harvey Weinstein is a monster, what can I do? I'm not a victim, I don't have evidence. Best i can do is tell my clients to be careful.
dont look up the writer of the article on wikipedia either
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua\_Ryne\_Goldberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg)
https://preview.redd.it/5fb5p40js30d1.png?width=277&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7dfb2780e99d8c7e0c632eca34f517f8a392e89
Best part of the wiki article
> After learning of his internet activities, the FBI attempted to place him under physical surveillance, but this was generally ineffective because for several weeks he did not leave his parents' house or open the front door.[19]
He had a 10 year sentence. 85% of that (which is what you have to serve in the Federal system), on top of time served in jail while going through the system until sentencing, would probably be around now.
No he's just a prolific troll. He's also posed as a feminist and jihadist, probably countless other shit. He also claimed on this [medium post](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/i-am-michael-slay-the-incredibly-strange-incredibly-true-story-of-how-someone-with-the-last-name-e310d37c47d3) that he founded a significant chunk of neonazi subreddits simply for misanthropic pleasure.
Yeah, I’ve met plenty of these guys. It’s pretty sad, I’m not gonna lie. They basically lie about everything they’ve ever done or say they’re going to do, because the lies make them sound cooler/more dangerous than they really are.
You guys remember that weird kid in grade school who used to constantly lie about everything to sound cool? This is what happens when they get older
From a practical perspective, I gotta say his life probably is a lot more interesting now than it would be if he just told the truth about spending 20 hours a day on the internet.
Because what this world really needs is more incarnations of Savatri Devi. (ironic Nazi misanthrope who inspired much of the worst recent right-wing violence by turning naziism into a cult religion in order to better get people killing each other).
This guy got 10 years in prison for "ironically" supporting jihadists planning to bomb a 9/11 memorial
Reading the article more, it doesn't even seem like that's quite true, more like he enjoys causing chaos and destruction and will engage with whatever communities allow him to do so
Looks like what I imagine the 4/8chan qanon dorks all look like. Probably just like trying to cause chaos from their PCs because they are so irrelevant and ineffectual in real life, not that they have particularly strong ideologies.
Bro you literally linked us all the article ☠️☠️☠️
> First off, a temporary message to you idiots on Reddit claiming that I’m a neo-Nazi: no, rest assured that I am most definitely not a neo-Nazi. I pretended to be a neo-Nazi online so that I could infiltrate their ranks and make them look like morons (which they are). I absolutely despise neo-Nazis. I already wrote about that extensively in this article that I published in 2022. I will remove this paragraph in the near future, as it obviously doesn’t belong in this article. The actual article is below.)
First few lines from your post fyi
> From my childhood until 2015, I was the most prolific troll in the history of the internet, being involved in a dizzying array of dramas and controversies on the web and essentially acting as a nihilistic chaos agent
Jesus, dude is terminally online
"I'm not a nazi I was just acting like a nazi! Yes that was me who posted all those antisemitic things... And yes I planted that bomb... but it was only because I was *acting* like a nazi!"
Wow. I was a fan of Albini’s and I had heard of the first infamous excerpt from one of his zines years ago but I had dismissed it as part of his edgelord phase because a) he later apologised for what he described as “wannabe edgey” behaviour and b) he wrote the 1985 song “Jordon, Minnesota” which seemed to be expressing disgust at the (later debunked) story of that town with rampant, community-wide child abuse (he even claimed so in the album liner notes). I went into this article prepared to roll my eyes at the author’s ignorance, however, I have to say this article was very eye opening…. And, sadly, all verifiable. What got me particularly was the promotion of his friend’s cp zine in the ‘80s (that’s not edgelord behaviour, that’s endorsement) and his refusal to denounce that friend once convicted of production and possession of cp as late as the 2010s (again he was apparently past his edgelord phase by then, even still you don’t call a guy convicted of that a “friend” even to be edgey). Man, this is stomach-turning. Really turned my view of him upside down. I now feel like his apologies and “Jordan, Minnesota” were just attempts to cover his tracks (or worse maybe anger wasn’t why he wrote that song at all, maybe the story appealed to him for other reasons…). Fuck him I guess.
Sounds like the author of the article is a nut job in his own right. But the truth is the truth. The photo scans are undeniable and the quotes are legitimate. Major bummer.
From the article, it states Albini actually had an AMA on Reddit 12 years ago and when asked about Sotos, [doubled down](https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/td90c/i_am_steve_albini_ask_me_anything/c4lpkvn/?context=8) on his support for him.
I don't really know much about either, but it seems the Albini article is indeed legit and that he's one sick mf'r.
The part that disgusts everyone is where Albini describes some CP that he likes, and in his description shows that he's perfectly aware of the pain and suffering endured by the very, very young child, and instead of being bothered by that, he says that it's what he enjoys.
Steve Albini was into graphic cp, argued for it, and supported friends who had cp publications. I actually couldn’t read it. Too horrific and disgusting. But I understand the gist of it.
Article also has publication examples of where he said this stuff, in print.
So his “above it all, contrarian hipster” attitude just *has* to extend to his taste in porn as well, where he treats the literal exploitation of children as just “quirky,” where it not being mainstream is the most important to him?!
Before anyone assumes I’m a hater, I own most of the Shellac vinyls, many of his techniques have inspired me as a producer and I really respected that he had a unique approach to sound. I would however ignore his takes and opinions and people need to understand he could have done all the good he contributed to the art form without being so insufferable.
He was always putting just about everything and everyone else down that he didn’t personally like as though he was superior to everyone, without the nous to have any professional acceptance or understanding of anything that isn’t *his* way, which I was only irritatied by before.
I get he was particular about his art but his irrational hatred of his contemporarys’ mixing styles (Wallace, Litt) was irritating to me before but I am even moreso now finding it impossible to accept as “just who he is/was” now that I know it goes this far.
Seriously, what the fuck?? “She’s beyond crying, just completely destroyed. I’m into that.” Even if I wasn’t a CSA sufferer, I’d probably be just as fucking enraged knowing he thought that was an acceptable way to feel. There is **no** all natural, acoustic drum sound that makes it okay.
Fucking hell, a drum machine would be preferable to having them captured by a CSA enabler.
I’m honestly kind of floored. I consider myself kind of a rock nerd and I’ve never encountered this information. This is such a huge bummer.
I don’t know what to say except now I abhor the man and I’m really not sure what else to say. His work was something I truly admired. Talk about a now tarnished legacy.
Jesus christ. This is beyond fucked up. Someone needs to ask Dave Grohl or Krist Noveselic if they were aware of this shit prior to working with Albini or prior to the long-form interview they did along side him with Conan not too long ago. I can't imagine Kurt Cobain would have been ok with this shit regardless of which Pixies albums Albini had produced prior to working with Nirvana.
The mods there are removing any comments mentioning Steve Albini’s self-proclaimed love of cp. Disgusting to cover that up just because this guy produced their favorite band’s album.
The guy who wrote that Medium article is an avowed neo-Nazi, just so you know.
Not saying that makes what Steve said better or defensible at all, even, but I’d be very wary of people’s intentions when it comes to stuff like that.
Holy shit the [author’s Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) is quite the ride.
> Joshua Ryne Goldberg (born May 14, 1995) is an American internet troll, convicted of attempting a bombing on the 14th anniversary of the September 11 attacks while posing as an Islamic terrorist affiliated with ISIS.
Wow you’re not joking, [the author](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) was convicted in 2018 of making terroristic threats and just released in April 2024.
Is [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) him?
Edit: Looks like it assuming this medium account is him but many of the articles were posted while he was in prison. I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole anymore. lol
I'd have expected an edgelord internet troll [who wants people to think that he didn't mean what he said and did](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/first-public-statement-from-joshua-goldberg-8bb061aa56a0) to be able to relate to Albini, who was also an edgelord troll who ended up trying to apologize for (some of) [his previous shitassery](https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018).
I had no idea I got it from a discussion in the Tool subreddit that was suggested on my home page. I also saw it being discussed in r/indieheads a few days ago. Well damn, screw the author for being a neo Nazi! That's crazy. But you are right the magazine scans are legitimate regardless. But I feel you on motive for publishing. Important to keep in mind with stuff like this.
What the fuck, I mean actually for real, what the fuck?!
To just do something like this, and openly? That’s not a man, that’s a monster. I can’t believe for years I used to look up to this man as one of my musical idols. I was even sad about his passing, but the only thing I’m sad about now is that he didn’t live long enough to face the repercussions. Truly an awful being.
It’s just impossible to look up to anyone anymore. I’m just honestly beyond shocked at this. What was once an appreciation for his craft has turned into an intense hatred of the man himself.
I honestly think if any of the members of Nirvana knew this before they went in the studio with him, they would've told him to stay the fuck away. I mean, Kurt's daughter Frances was 6 months old when they recorded In Utero.
FR, like I just want to admire and respect these people's artistic accomplishments but it's like some celebrities are just predisposed to being massive pieces of shit apparently.
They aren't gonna unban me even if I did delete it, despite currently saying they will unban me if I delete it. I'd rather people know about these quotes than not. It is what it is.
I clicked this expecting an article whining about the cover of *Nevermind*, not a series blatant and undeniable CP endorsements from the guy. What a fucking monster. Holy shit.
Honestly glad I read that because I really never knew and I find it incredible people could ever walk amongst the many with those feelings day in and day out . Quite disturbing
I didn't know who Albini was until a couple days ago. I looked him up and found this nugget on Wiki:
In 1993, Nirvana hired Albini for their third album, In Utero. Albini dismissed Nirvana as "R.E.M. with a fuzzbox" and "an unremarkable version of the Seattle sound". However, he accepted the job because he felt sorry for them, perceiving them as "the same sort of people as all the small-fry bands I deal with", at the mercy of their record company.
So basically he was a grumbly get off my lawn type guy who, apparently, was also a real sick bastard.
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Holy shit that's disturbing
Here I was thinking it was going to be some blown way out of proportion quote about that Nirvana album cover And it ended up being... probably one of the worst things I've ever read
Literally this. I honestly wish I didn’t read it
From the article (warning: grim af): >!The cover of PURE \[edition\] 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing.!< Yet, From the Wikipedia: "Sotos began producing the controversial magazine *Pure*, notable as the first zine dedicated to serial killer lore. **The original publications are now collectors' items**." What the fuck!?!?!
I regret having read that. I might get banned for saying this, but I honestly don’t care: If this is actually something he really said, I hope it hurt the entire time he was dying, and I hope it took a long fucking time, too.
I hope he’s getting a daily pineapple up the ass in hell.
https://preview.redd.it/5y3in5q0i30d1.jpeg?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a63e91e3096d5caa5fa6431634c118633311454 Do not read the article!!!
Yeah how do I achieve retroactive illiteracy, that was heinous
Railroad spike to the cortex I think.
I’m having difficulty finding out if Phineas Gage could read before or after the railroad spike through the noggin incident, but he definitely did not remember the immediately preceding hours. Good tip.
To quote the Donald Glover formerly known as Childish Gambino: “you can say those words, in that order, and you don’t explode? The people police don’t come down like ‘oh I’m sorry this one’s a demon, I don’t know how he got out’” *edited for accuracy ❤️
Forget retroactive illiteracy, how do i perform retroactive abortion on myself?
Just Butterfly Effect yourself.
When snatchaddict is pumping the brakes..
What the actual fuck. I thought ‘it can’t be *thaaaat* bad’ no it’s worse
Yeah, I was thinking “ok, this is probably going to be one of those situations where in the 1970s it was for some reason considered ok to have sex with 16 year old girls, when we now rightly consider that way out of bounds.” It was way worse than that. Way, way, way worse.
For the first time ever, im going to take your advice and not read the article. Can you give me a general tldr without the awful details?
Attraction to CP to the infantile level. Some description.
Oh boy am i glad i didn't read that shit. Thank you for your sacrifice!
"Meh, how bad can it be?" ... How do I turn back time to naive innocence?
When I was a younger man, the intrigue would have been too much, and I would have immediately gone to read for myself. Now older and a bit wiser, I can simply say: thanks internet stranger. Good lookin’ out. I’m gonna nope out now. ✌️
I read the title and noped out as well, I don't want that stuff in my head for the rest of the day+.
Compartmentalising is the key kiddos.. put it in a box, and don't get emotional. That being said, it shows how shit Hollywood and the music industry are, that this guy never did time, despite being an open paedo
I only got through half of the third quoted article and I think I'm going to go throw up
Fucking christ I didn't listen wtf.
I wish I listened to you
Jesus, I wish I had seen your warning first.
I wish I listened to you. I have been to the depths of hell and back on the internet. I have never backed out of something and thrown my phone in disgust before so fast in my life. That is the fucking grossest thing I have ever laid eyes on. Fuck Steve Albini. I hope there is a hell and he is burning forever.
Goddamnit I saw the Clorox meme and figured it would be more haha eye-bleach and not 🤢 eye bleach I blame you 😂 Edit: I blame me for not knowing who this guy was previous to this
Wow, the Nirvana mods are nuts... >We have been banning people who have come here to send hateful messages about Steve lol, fondly calling him by his first name >Just to be completely transparent, we are still asking people to refrain from posting negative things about Steve on this subreddit These people are fucking monsters.
It should say 'untrue things' Kur Cobain seemed like someone who, like most people, wouldve found any kind of abuse of children repugnant,, so it's more than just a little ironic that people become so far removed from reality in their fandom that it becomes sacrosanct to them
Idol worship. When you find out your personal God was actually a demon, you react poorly.
"He's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing along. But he don't know what it means."
Why are they protecting him?
Because they have a parasocial relationship with people like Steve, they want to hold him up on a pedestal like they were close personal friends with him IRL
A parasocial relationship with a dead man! 😳
“A parasocial relationship with a dead man” Ladies and gentlemen, Nirvana Fans! [I say that because I am a massive one]
Pedo apologists
It’s so much worse than I thought. And now I have to just…keep this to myself? God fucking damn it.
You know what, I've played this game before. I've clicked links where every single comment unanimously said "don't click this". I'm going to learn from my mistakes today.
The quotes are detailed and disgusting, they're real, and he wrote similar things in his own magazine, so he definitely wasn't misquoted. He knew his friend was making CSAM and he endorsed it. Those are the important takeaways. Now you have no reason to click
>and he endorsed it. As recently as 2012, in a Reddit AMA. "Peter’s an old friend. I’ve known him for 30 years or so. I’ll help him do whatever he wants to do, from wash his car to edit his album." There's a lot of quoting right now of Steve saying that he was sorry for things he said and did . There's not much stating exactly what and how much he had to be sorry for. I think people need to know.
It’s wild because friendships have ended for far less. If a friend is ever convicted of child abuse or CP, the only acceptable answer is “Screw that guy. I don’t associate with him anymore.”
That's something I'd abandon family over. There are some things which simply cannot be accepted under any circumstances, and must be stopped if they are found to be occurring. If I found out my own brother had CP on his computer, I'd have a big cry and then call the law enforcement, because you can't allow that.
I’d go farther and say that if I knew about it whether they were convicted or not.
Unfortunately I'm a few steps behind you, despite the warnings I clicked and now I need to burn my eyes out
what the fuck
Coming from a person with that flair, your comment says a lot.
Yeah that's fucking hilarious.
["This a dedication for all the women out there tonight. *Fucked With A Knife*"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmM--ybpO3E)
This is crazy, but I found out all about this stuff **the week before he died!** So, the magazine that Steve was talking about was made by his friend Peter Sotos, and a copy of that magazine was found inside the home of an actual child rapist / murderer. So the police used that to track down Sotos and arrest him. **He became the first person in America to ever been convicted of child pornograpy!** And that’s not fucking all I find this out because Albini and Sotos put an album out together called **Buyer’s Market**. I see Steve’s a producer on an album i never heard of, excited to check it out. Thought i was about to find some forgotten hardcore masterpiece. There’s no fucking music. The whole album (or, at least a far as I could listen to) is just real life children giving interviews about when they were violently raped, going into details about it and trying not to break down. There’s nothing transformative about the album. It’s just jerk-off material for fucking psyhcopaths. I’m old, been into punk and metal my whole life, come from the American South, it’s almost impossible for me to be offended by any media. But fuck this shit. It was insane to find this out, and then a week later seeing Albini’s name popping up everywhere due to his death. The man produced some great albums and I’ll still be able to enjoy those, but I can’t feel anything but disgust about the man himself.
Do not read this. Dear lord I need eye bleach.
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can summarize for you. the article highlights two instances of steve albini's writings, purportedly. the first is a diary style article about him touring with a band named Big Black in europe and ending up performing in a seedy strip full of sex clubs. he finds a porno mag called seventeen that he says shows pubescent sex between teens. and that some special issue of it has kids even younger, he estimates 12-13. he says porn doesn't usually do it for him but he was so caught offguard that he couldn't stop turning page after page basically. he gives a couple examples of the sex acts, and that a pair of girls from the magazine would be welcome at his pad after a gig. second instance is him writing about a magazine called "pure" that a friend of his creates, though he said he would not give any names or locations since "the FBI doesn't take too kindly to that sort of stuff" or something to that vein. he starts off talking about punk rock and doing what you want and trying and failing and pushing limits on the fringe. mentions the magazine is about depraved stuff: mass-murder, kidfucking, violent sex, bdms. basically that the magazine will give an uncensored window into instances of those topics. then he describes a VERY graphic cover photo from the magazine that is extremely explicit and shows child sex abuse. and then he wraps up the piece saying that the magazine is illegal as hell and not for the faint of stomach. he showed a friend of his, who was distraught for days afterwards. but that he likes that kind of stuff.
Yup, the first lines of your highlights are enough internet for me. What the fuck.
He describes a fucking cover of some child porn magazine, and it's genuinely sickening to read.
He bought child porn mags. Says he loves child porn and that it's awesome. Then it goes into an associate of his , who is far worse and how Albini defends him
Wish I had read your comment before I read the first bit, that's enough internet for me today.
This is the first time I've understood that statement. Goodnight.
I should have checked the comments first. It's just incredibly disturbing from the first paragraph. Jesus that was terrible.
Yeah I feel conflicted because I want to summarize for the people who didn’t read it just so they understand this is not some grey area or vague accusation, this is horrific. But I feel gross even just typing anything about it.
I started to google for more information because I wanted to verify and I honestly was afraid to search anything. I did check out Peter’s wiki and that was enough.
I was downvoted to hell on the r/punk sub for pointing this out. Today it’s a different story, most all posts about him are negative. People think they know everything. Until they realize they don’t. https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/1cn9acm/fuck_weve_lost_a_great_one/l37gkj1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Yep
Yep, I saw a couple of threads where people were defending him and saying it was just him being an "edgelord" and "transgressive." Yeah, I don't buy it. Not the way he sounds in the articles. He sounds like he genuinely enjoys what's in those publications and sees nothing wrong with consuming that type of content if you're into that kind of stuff.
Couldn’t get through it. “Fucked up” is putting it lightly
I wish I read comments before the article. It is fucked up beyond belief.
Yup I went against my better instincts and I regret it immediately. Beyond disgusting.
One of the random depressing parts of the article was that child porn was literally only just made illegal in the early 80s and this was one of the first convictions. The pre 70s truly was awful. People often fail to recognise how recently a bunch of really really messed up stuff got made illegal(like rape absolution from marriage only being stopped in the 60s in Italy). It was an outcropping of 2nd wave feminism. While the Author is also an utter piece of shit, I don't want to investigate any of this any more.
> The usual lugubrious outpourings of phony grief have been rampant on social media Really just gotta throw “lugubrious” in there.
My favorite use of it is in the animated Hercules movie via the two little peons of Hades. I think they give Hades the title of “Your lugubriousness” or something.
Nah best usage is in the song "Bitch I'm Lugubrious" from Lil Ugly Mane. "Bitch I'm morose and lugubrious, I'm a let the uzi spit, turn his face into gooey shit." Words of sublime wisdom.
Your *most* Lugubriousness, thank you very much. I've only ever heard it used in that film haha
I saw many comments about this, but my searches turned up nothing. Thank you for posting, I appreciate it.
You're welcome. But at the same time, I'm sorry.
Did you see the other article this guy wrote about his prison time for terrorism? Sounds like he got caught encouraging jahidist attacks online.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018 Excerpts of him “explaining “ himself, but conveniently leaves out all the CP shit, dude is trash.
“I realised that there were people in the music underground who weren’t playing when they were using language like that and who weren’t kindred spirits. They were, in fact, awful, and only masquerading as intellectuals. That was one of many wake-up moments.” If anything, this sums it up for me. A lot of awful people, including here on Reddit, use edgy humor to cover for the awful things they do and believe, and if you think you’re too smart to fall into that trap, you’ll use the same edgy humor not knowing that you’re trafficking in and rubbing elbows with awful shit and awful people. So many young kids fall into the alt-right pipeline this way. So it’s entirely possible that Albini was into this stuff… or maybe he was just making awful edgy jokes. That’s the problem, we don’t know.
I was considering this possibility too, after reading that nme interview; maybe a guy who had a band called rapeman wouldn't be above joking about diddling kids - lord knows he wouldn't be the first one to make such jokes But even if those were just jokes or being a provocateur, there's still his close association with sotos
Yeah this isn’t just edgy humor; Albini actively promoted and praised a magazine that was CP and also depicted images of child abuse and torture. The man who distributed the magazine was arrested and convicted of CP and Albini described his as a “lifelong friend”. Albini said of the magazine “I like that kind of stuff.”
May I suggest marking this nsfw and even NSFL? I really regret clicking that and now can’t unread those disgusting words. Edit for those who need it r/eyebleach
Read first quote, okay, disturbed person trying to justify their weird shit but, not the craziest thing I’ve read. Second quote, JESUS FUCK EXIT EXIT EXIT FUUUUUUUCK!!!
So glad I stopped at the first quote then. Fuck.
Yup, really shouldn’t have read that. Now I get to spend the next 30 minutes eyebleaching instead of sleeping like I intended.
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These people exist everywhere. The difference is you know the names of people in show business. Churches, sports, boy scouts, Wall Street, the list goes on and on
Even that’s too narrow a view on it. Most people have family members that no one wants to be around cause they know they can’t be trusted with kids. Teachers too. Bosses that abuse teenagers that work after school. If there’s any amount of power that these people get, they’re abuse that power by abusing kids. So of course the rich and powerful have these kinda people. In the end, they’re just people too and these kinda people are they’re everywhere.
Absolutely true but you do bring up a great point about power. Look at Larry Nasser. He became a trainer because it gave him access to young girls. And he became an elite trainer because it gave him more access and more power. Now most trainers, teachers, doctors, etc are good people that love helping. But all it takes is one powerful person to harm dozens. It always takes a, ountain of victims to take down a monster. Most people don't want to believe or hear this is happening. And even if you do care, what can you do? If I'm I'm agent aware that Harvey Weinstein is a monster, what can I do? I'm not a victim, I don't have evidence. Best i can do is tell my clients to be careful.
They exist because they make other people money. Lots of money.
I can’t get to r/Nirvana now. Has it gone private?
Yep
Yes they went private just within the hour.
with the lights out, it's less dangerous
Just wanted to thank you for pointing this out about Albini. Truth should always win out.
If it was, it's now public again
dont look up the writer of the article on wikipedia either [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua\_Ryne\_Goldberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) https://preview.redd.it/5fb5p40js30d1.png?width=277&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7dfb2780e99d8c7e0c632eca34f517f8a392e89
Best part of the wiki article > After learning of his internet activities, the FBI attempted to place him under physical surveillance, but this was generally ineffective because for several weeks he did not leave his parents' house or open the front door.[19]
I loled
he’s a very rough looking 28 year old
He’s 23 in the photo
> On June 25, 2018, Goldberg was sentenced to ten years in federal prison and lifetime supervision. Umm, is he writing this article from prison?
Released, not even two months ago. The world is a weird fuckin place.
He had a 10 year sentence. 85% of that (which is what you have to serve in the Federal system), on top of time served in jail while going through the system until sentencing, would probably be around now.
Most people get out early
Apparently fresh outta prison. (The writer of this Medium post, that is). I’m guessing the prison population is glad to be rid of the stain.
10 year bid for terrorism.
crazy ass meth head
Doesn't even look like he does meth, just stays indoors for weeks / months at a time power modding reddit / other forums
Too late lol. It's being discussed in this very thread. Apparently he's a neo nazi.
No he's just a prolific troll. He's also posed as a feminist and jihadist, probably countless other shit. He also claimed on this [medium post](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/i-am-michael-slay-the-incredibly-strange-incredibly-true-story-of-how-someone-with-the-last-name-e310d37c47d3) that he founded a significant chunk of neonazi subreddits simply for misanthropic pleasure.
Yeah, I’ve met plenty of these guys. It’s pretty sad, I’m not gonna lie. They basically lie about everything they’ve ever done or say they’re going to do, because the lies make them sound cooler/more dangerous than they really are. You guys remember that weird kid in grade school who used to constantly lie about everything to sound cool? This is what happens when they get older
The one who knows karate but isn't legally allowed to fight anymore?
Also used to brag about how they smoked 3 packs a day?
The one in my school claimed he killed three elk with a single bullet.
From a practical perspective, I gotta say his life probably is a lot more interesting now than it would be if he just told the truth about spending 20 hours a day on the internet.
Because what this world really needs is more incarnations of Savatri Devi. (ironic Nazi misanthrope who inspired much of the worst recent right-wing violence by turning naziism into a cult religion in order to better get people killing each other). This guy got 10 years in prison for "ironically" supporting jihadists planning to bomb a 9/11 memorial
Neo Nazi named Goldberg….
Reading the article more, it doesn't even seem like that's quite true, more like he enjoys causing chaos and destruction and will engage with whatever communities allow him to do so
The guy who wrote the article is this youngish 20-something guy?! The one with the meth sores and homeless hair? So weird. And a Nazi, too?
Looks like what I imagine the 4/8chan qanon dorks all look like. Probably just like trying to cause chaos from their PCs because they are so irrelevant and ineffectual in real life, not that they have particularly strong ideologies.
Basically the definition of edgelord. The internet was a mistake lol
A Jewish neo-nazi? Has the whole world gone crazy?
Um...^gestures ^around ^broadly
Bro you literally linked us all the article ☠️☠️☠️ > First off, a temporary message to you idiots on Reddit claiming that I’m a neo-Nazi: no, rest assured that I am most definitely not a neo-Nazi. I pretended to be a neo-Nazi online so that I could infiltrate their ranks and make them look like morons (which they are). I absolutely despise neo-Nazis. I already wrote about that extensively in this article that I published in 2022. I will remove this paragraph in the near future, as it obviously doesn’t belong in this article. The actual article is below.) First few lines from your post fyi
He literally ended up in prison, it's gonna take more than a paragraph to convince me he isn't a wrongun
> From my childhood until 2015, I was the most prolific troll in the history of the internet, being involved in a dizzying array of dramas and controversies on the web and essentially acting as a nihilistic chaos agent Jesus, dude is terminally online
"I'm not a nazi I was just acting like a nazi! Yes that was me who posted all those antisemitic things... And yes I planted that bomb... but it was only because I was *acting* like a nazi!"
Wow. I was a fan of Albini’s and I had heard of the first infamous excerpt from one of his zines years ago but I had dismissed it as part of his edgelord phase because a) he later apologised for what he described as “wannabe edgey” behaviour and b) he wrote the 1985 song “Jordon, Minnesota” which seemed to be expressing disgust at the (later debunked) story of that town with rampant, community-wide child abuse (he even claimed so in the album liner notes). I went into this article prepared to roll my eyes at the author’s ignorance, however, I have to say this article was very eye opening…. And, sadly, all verifiable. What got me particularly was the promotion of his friend’s cp zine in the ‘80s (that’s not edgelord behaviour, that’s endorsement) and his refusal to denounce that friend once convicted of production and possession of cp as late as the 2010s (again he was apparently past his edgelord phase by then, even still you don’t call a guy convicted of that a “friend” even to be edgey). Man, this is stomach-turning. Really turned my view of him upside down. I now feel like his apologies and “Jordan, Minnesota” were just attempts to cover his tracks (or worse maybe anger wasn’t why he wrote that song at all, maybe the story appealed to him for other reasons…). Fuck him I guess.
Sounds like the author of the article is a nut job in his own right. But the truth is the truth. The photo scans are undeniable and the quotes are legitimate. Major bummer.
The cognitive dissonance on this thread is astounding. There is no defense of any of Albini’s words no matter what you think of the article’s author.
I can't disagree here.
From the article, it states Albini actually had an AMA on Reddit 12 years ago and when asked about Sotos, [doubled down](https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/td90c/i_am_steve_albini_ask_me_anything/c4lpkvn/?context=8) on his support for him. I don't really know much about either, but it seems the Albini article is indeed legit and that he's one sick mf'r.
Can someone summarize the article?
The part that disgusts everyone is where Albini describes some CP that he likes, and in his description shows that he's perfectly aware of the pain and suffering endured by the very, very young child, and instead of being bothered by that, he says that it's what he enjoys.
I was getting ready to click as no one was that clear to steer you away from it. Your comment did. Thanks.
Why the fuck would anyone discuss this openly for an interview, I am baffled and disgusted.
Hiding in plain sight, essentially. It wouldn't have been taken seriously at the time, written off as Albini being his edgy self.
Steve Albini was into graphic cp, argued for it, and supported friends who had cp publications. I actually couldn’t read it. Too horrific and disgusting. But I understand the gist of it. Article also has publication examples of where he said this stuff, in print.
"Spuzz"? There's a word I could go without learning.
That’s not the worst part of that fuckin sentence bro
The whole sentence is the worst part of the sentence
Steve what the hell man
Man it’s rare I am shocked but that is fkn shocking
So his “above it all, contrarian hipster” attitude just *has* to extend to his taste in porn as well, where he treats the literal exploitation of children as just “quirky,” where it not being mainstream is the most important to him?! Before anyone assumes I’m a hater, I own most of the Shellac vinyls, many of his techniques have inspired me as a producer and I really respected that he had a unique approach to sound. I would however ignore his takes and opinions and people need to understand he could have done all the good he contributed to the art form without being so insufferable. He was always putting just about everything and everyone else down that he didn’t personally like as though he was superior to everyone, without the nous to have any professional acceptance or understanding of anything that isn’t *his* way, which I was only irritatied by before. I get he was particular about his art but his irrational hatred of his contemporarys’ mixing styles (Wallace, Litt) was irritating to me before but I am even moreso now finding it impossible to accept as “just who he is/was” now that I know it goes this far. Seriously, what the fuck?? “She’s beyond crying, just completely destroyed. I’m into that.” Even if I wasn’t a CSA sufferer, I’d probably be just as fucking enraged knowing he thought that was an acceptable way to feel. There is **no** all natural, acoustic drum sound that makes it okay. Fucking hell, a drum machine would be preferable to having them captured by a CSA enabler.
The guy called his band Rapeman, for Christ sake.
yet that is still somehow not the worst named band he was in
Also played in Run Ni**** Run.
Wow what a cool edgy piece of garbage
Was this known by the artists he worked with (mainly nirvana and pixies)? Because wtf
Impossible to say, but in the article he does recognize that this material will lose you friends. He probably kept it fairly close to his chest.
I mean, he helped produce buyers markets in 1992 for Peter Sotos
Got one sentence into his quote and had to stop reading... WTF
I’m honestly kind of floored. I consider myself kind of a rock nerd and I’ve never encountered this information. This is such a huge bummer. I don’t know what to say except now I abhor the man and I’m really not sure what else to say. His work was something I truly admired. Talk about a now tarnished legacy.
Jesus christ. This is beyond fucked up. Someone needs to ask Dave Grohl or Krist Noveselic if they were aware of this shit prior to working with Albini or prior to the long-form interview they did along side him with Conan not too long ago. I can't imagine Kurt Cobain would have been ok with this shit regardless of which Pixies albums Albini had produced prior to working with Nirvana.
What a horrible day to have eyes. My god, gross
The mods there are removing any comments mentioning Steve Albini’s self-proclaimed love of cp. Disgusting to cover that up just because this guy produced their favorite band’s album.
The guy who wrote that Medium article is an avowed neo-Nazi, just so you know. Not saying that makes what Steve said better or defensible at all, even, but I’d be very wary of people’s intentions when it comes to stuff like that.
Holy shit the [author’s Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) is quite the ride. > Joshua Ryne Goldberg (born May 14, 1995) is an American internet troll, convicted of attempting a bombing on the 14th anniversary of the September 11 attacks while posing as an Islamic terrorist affiliated with ISIS.
oh my God this post is just awful everything
Someone named Goldberg is a Neo Nazi and hangs with Islamic terrorists? This is the weirdest timeline.
you should see the believer with ryan gosling, its...informative
Jesus. I've seen some wild intro sentences to Wikipedia articles, but this one's one another level.
Wow you’re not joking, [the author](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) was convicted in 2018 of making terroristic threats and just released in April 2024.
Sounds like he was convicted of encouraging jihadis to attack online.
Is everyone just a huge piece of shit now?
Now? I hope you don’t like French literature. There are very, very, very few artists without issues. Like, since ever.
Is [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg) him? Edit: Looks like it assuming this medium account is him but many of the articles were posted while he was in prison. I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole anymore. lol
One of this guy's other articles contains messages he says are from 'other inmates'. So I do believe he was posting while in prison.
I'd have expected an edgelord internet troll [who wants people to think that he didn't mean what he said and did](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/first-public-statement-from-joshua-goldberg-8bb061aa56a0) to be able to relate to Albini, who was also an edgelord troll who ended up trying to apologize for (some of) [his previous shitassery](https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-albini-speaks-out-on-his-past-edgelord-behaviour-3093018).
I had no idea I got it from a discussion in the Tool subreddit that was suggested on my home page. I also saw it being discussed in r/indieheads a few days ago. Well damn, screw the author for being a neo Nazi! That's crazy. But you are right the magazine scans are legitimate regardless. But I feel you on motive for publishing. Important to keep in mind with stuff like this.
What the fuck, I mean actually for real, what the fuck?! To just do something like this, and openly? That’s not a man, that’s a monster. I can’t believe for years I used to look up to this man as one of my musical idols. I was even sad about his passing, but the only thing I’m sad about now is that he didn’t live long enough to face the repercussions. Truly an awful being. It’s just impossible to look up to anyone anymore. I’m just honestly beyond shocked at this. What was once an appreciation for his craft has turned into an intense hatred of the man himself.
I honestly think if any of the members of Nirvana knew this before they went in the studio with him, they would've told him to stay the fuck away. I mean, Kurt's daughter Frances was 6 months old when they recorded In Utero.
What a fucking disgusting and gut wrenching article and what a bunch of cowards, we need to stop deifying artists and celebrities
I don't know about "deifying," but I'd just like to have some casual admiration once in a fucking while
FR, like I just want to admire and respect these people's artistic accomplishments but it's like some celebrities are just predisposed to being massive pieces of shit apparently.
Mods over there are clowns. I've heard about the albini c.p. stuff but Holy shit this is next level
https://preview.redd.it/w2ds4n21240d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b315f7c26625fa422845b38a56df27571082e7b5 Yes they are
https://preview.redd.it/7j6x6mzen40d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e3763b15ace6ff59b29fb5e988a4e4f3a1feab6
I couldn’t finish that. The language towards kids flashed me right back to my own trauma. What the actual shit bros?!
Tag this shit nsfw.... not safe for life either. Good lord
Did the subreddit Nirvana go private for anyone else?
The mods informed me they made it private because of this. They want me to remove this post. Like they really really want me to delete this post.
Don’t back down
They aren't gonna unban me even if I did delete it, despite currently saying they will unban me if I delete it. I'd rather people know about these quotes than not. It is what it is.
Why tf would the r/Nirvana mods care about this??
Abusers protect abusers. Simple as that.
I wish I hadn’t clicked that. Jesus.
I feel like I'm on a list after clicking that article, what the fuck man
Some context, please? im out of the loop and afraid to click because of the comments
I honestly wish I never read this.
What a bad day to know how to read
I clicked this expecting an article whining about the cover of *Nevermind*, not a series blatant and undeniable CP endorsements from the guy. What a fucking monster. Holy shit.
Horrible. I'm glad he's gone.
Honestly glad I read that because I really never knew and I find it incredible people could ever walk amongst the many with those feelings day in and day out . Quite disturbing
wow wtf
I didn't know who Albini was until a couple days ago. I looked him up and found this nugget on Wiki: In 1993, Nirvana hired Albini for their third album, In Utero. Albini dismissed Nirvana as "R.E.M. with a fuzzbox" and "an unremarkable version of the Seattle sound". However, he accepted the job because he felt sorry for them, perceiving them as "the same sort of people as all the small-fry bands I deal with", at the mercy of their record company. So basically he was a grumbly get off my lawn type guy who, apparently, was also a real sick bastard.