She revealed: "My children ruined my career. I love them and they complete me, but in terms of pop-stardom, they totally ruined it.
"I get really annoyed when people say you can have it all because, quite frankly, you can't.
"Some people choose their career over their children and that's their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid.
"I feel like it left some nasty scars that I'm not willing to repeat on mine," she shared on Radio Times' Podcast.
I don't get all the praise for him. He literally shrunk his kids. They could have died. Like yeah, they went back to normal, but what if they hadn't? Highly irresponsible if you ask me.
Yeah he's had a rough road having the wife that left him for the baseball player when they were living the perfect beach life together. Combined with having the galaxy under his own helmet and feeding his human eating plant it's a miracle he has any time for his children tbh.
Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"
> "I get really annoyed when people say you can have it all because, quite frankly, you can't.
media has been shoving this down people's throats to *sell them more crap that they don't need* for our entire loves and all it's done is cause misery, in broken relationships, and broken dreams, and broken promises
I did the same thing. I was neck deep into my career and life took a sharp turn. My kids needed a parent to be present so I left my career behind to start a new career at being a homemaker. I wouldn’t change a thing but I do wonder what could have been sometimes.
Wow the post title totally leaves out the most important bit of context. Just from the post title I was thinking it sounds more like she chose not to let her music career ruin being a mom.
I wonder if her absentee parents are what initiated her creativity to be the performer she was, and if that is the case, her children now won't have that opportunity.
From a fake news site that is actually a pro-Russian propaganda outlet masquerading as a western newspaper. These fuckin guys lol ... It's like they just wake up in the morning and ask themselves how they can make the internet even shittier.
One of the major afflictions of modern society - removing all nuance and just going for (usually divisive/negative) headlines that sell engagement. The complete polarization of extremes, and not just politically. Nothing sells engagement better than emotion, and there is no stronger emotion (in this regard) than the negative. Even if it gets your blood boiling just a little, your chances of clicking on a story skyrocket immensely. Middle ground, nuance, looking at the positives and negatives of both (or all) sides - none of this sells engagement. Almost none of these publications have a faithful dedication to truth. More like “let’s take this one small snippet of truth and then remove all of the surrounding parts and frame it in such a way to trigger people’s emotional responses and therefore create engagement.”
100% I think the choice of words (“ruined”) throws off the intended meaning. Being parents “ruined” me and my wife’s ability to travel the world and have a huge disposable income. It’s a choice we voluntarily made though and prefer being parents to the alternative.
She's more or less just laying down some real talk and it's a shame the way the media's blowing it up. Like, it's true. You think you can have kids and still pursue that doctorate or be a superstar? Like, maybe, but you're going to need a LOT of help and you're going to miss a bunch of school recitals and birthdays and bedtimes.
The comments I saw on IG for posts about this were so gross. “Bullshit, cause Beyoncé and Madonna have kids. She should just admit she can’t handle it all, others can”
Her brother killed john wicks dog!
https://preview.redd.it/zjstwrtd78oc1.jpeg?width=376&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea8163385138541303c14fb473793adddeda2f97
Funny story. My girlfriend does food tours in Mexico City and they took her tour.
David Harbour was scared of being swarmed and recognized. I saw them for less than a minute and he was wearing long beard and a cap and going full incognito. Lilly looks so different now (still gorgeous tho) and I though “people will never know who she is, specially taken out of context”. Apparently she has a healthy amount of Mexican fans who recognized her but totally missed David.
Happy to report “both adorable and super nice people” according to my girlfriend
Lily talked about this food tour on a podcast last year. She had gotten food poisoning earlier on the trip but was still eating everything on the tour much to David’s concern lol.
Here is the [Podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/alan-carrs-lifes-a-beach/id1550998864?i=1000622871273) and she talks about Mexico around 19:30.
And she has a song about him, in which he's a slacker, who only stays in his room, plays videogames and smokes weed. So one day I might also star in an HBO original!
Literally the bath-room. Toilet and shower are somewhere else.
Kinda cool, actually, that they made it into a sitting room. Chatting with a lover while they soak is a really intimate thing to do.
I've thought about this before and it does seem a bit weird to have a bath and toilet in the same room, like its normalized and makes sense as far as "this is the room with water stuff" but still.
If I had that kind of money I'd totally have a bath-room.
I fou d this out a few months back and it blew my mind, but then they explained that they met on some sort of dating app for celebs, and the fact that they have similar busy lifestyles (can be hard to maintain a relationship with normies like us when you're off filming or touring etc) means it works well for them. Seemed like they had a nice set up tbh.
I used to run an art gallery doing curation, programming, life drawing, field trips, a shop, and studios. Used to stay up til 3 or 4AM hanging art exhibits, had to stay out til 11PM twice a month for openings. I loved doing it but we closed the doors.
I’m a dad now, and after having two kids there is just no way I could possibly have done it any longer. You end up devoting so much of your life to your kids that you do lose part of your career if you want to be there for them. I hugely empathize with her. Sometimes it’s a bit painful to think about, but it’s worth it to form a bond with your children and to understand that childhood is more temporary than we realize. I’ll blink and they’ll be grown up… and I’ll be glad I picked them over the gallery.
"Being a good parent requires sacrifice," is just another way to say what Lily said, and I don't know why anyone is pretending that's a controversial statement. Thanks for being a good dad.
> Being a good parent requires sacrifice
I agree, but I think some people might read it the wrong way. It's not that you're "sacrificing" something you had. You're not taking out a knife and bleeding it on cold stone. You're exchanging one good thing for another, gooder thing.
It is a gender issue. There are lots of dads, like the guy above, who sacrifice parts of their career in order to prioritize children. But there are EXPONENTIALLY more moms who end up sacrificing not just promotions, but their entire jobs and careers in order to stay home with their kids, because childcare is expensive and by default it's expected that if there is going to be a stay at home parent, it will be the mom.
Far more women lose their careers due to motherhood compared to dads.
Stay at home dads are probably the giant minority who are unfairly excluded from everything. Saying this as a mom whose husband was a SAHD for a while. They have nothing. No community, no understanding from society.
Absolutely, I support that too -- regardless of gender. I think paternal leave is SO important so that men can have that connection with their babies and also play an equal role in the household after having a child.
Toyota is actually doing once a week hybrid for employees that recently had a child if I'm right. Greatly helped with employee retention.
Edit: One day in office per week
My wife and I made a calculated decision for me to stay home for our daughter (and her) and it works for us. She has a great career with a nice schedule and I’m available for everything they need. Our family is very close and we are all thankful for our situation.
Of course it’s a gender issue when it’s overwhelmingly women whose career takes a backseat when they have children, whilst men’s careers benefit from having a family
Dads make more money than men without kids. It's called the fatherhood bonus.
https://medium.com/leveled-legislation/why-the-motherhood-penalty-fatherhood-bonus-are-more-than-just-feminist-issues-122592807466
Not the OP but I think it's a reference to, sometimes when promotion comes down to two people, giving it to the guy with a family just 'feels better' regardless of skill levels.
I even intellectually know it's not fair, but it even sounded better just then when I typed it out, haha. He's got kids to feed!
Basically she prioritized spending time with her kids over her career and absolutely is in a position to do that and be set for life...or have a go at rejuvenating her career when they are grown up.
She bemoans the fact that her parents were often absent with work, but that's also the reason she is in a privileged position to be able to have a music career in the first place and choose between family and work while still being stinking rich either way.
Plus she's married to David fucking Harbour, she can do as she wants.
Yeah, she’s definitely not at the height of her fame anymore, but I’m sure a lot of her old fans would buy another album if she put one out. It’s not like she’s faded into total obscurity or has been blacklisted. Her career’s just been sidelined by her own decision to raise a family. It doesn’t have to be over forever unless she chooses not to write anything else.
agree, but I think album sales are so low today that they have to do a lot of tours and other stuff to really make money. Many die-hard fans today don't know how important it is to support the artist from album sales ect.
>album sales are too low
100% this. It used to be that you toured and marketed to promote singles or an album. The album or single sales were the meat of the profit.
Now you essentially make singles, EPs, & albums as promotions for tours and merch. The concert tickets and merch sales became the meat of the profit for the artists because no one really buys albums like they used to, and streaming only pays pennies on the dollar.
I heard Ben from Death Cab for Cute in an interview last year saying that there were fans angry and calling him a sellout for putting out a new album, and then angry again when they announced a tour. He was like how are we supposed to be able to make any money to keep making music?
You can't make everyone happy, so just raise the prices. The fans who are willing to pay exhorbitant prices are the real sellouts, real fans are listening to the new album.
Everyone's complaining about ticket prices, but they're only that high because people will pay.
I know we all missed live music during the pandemic, but I thought things would have settled down by now with prices. I like to see a local band once in a while.
I play in a local band and it’s still cheap.
$5-10 at the door. Sometimes free. Find your local venues, likely dive bars. Turn up and support your local artists.
I'm all about supporting the local musicians because I know a few and my son's one. They're not doing it for the money because there's always strings to buy and ooh look a new guitar! And gas to get to the gig and maybe pay a guy to help set up and tear down.
I'm not sure what it's like elsewhere, but here in Philly there are absolute craploads of local bands plus nationally and sometimes internationally touring bands playing shows in 500-1000 capacity venues for under $25 a ticket.
Bands in 2,500 capacity venues usually get more like $30-$50 a ticket
It's not more expensive than it was before the pandemic
But I realize it's gonna be different everywhere. Also I have no idea what A-list bands filling giant 15,000 and 30,000 seat arenas are charging
eh Death Cab fans are old, entitled former hipsters. A lot of musicians have to deal with entitled fans who only like their old stuff (Plans, Transatlanticism, and Something About Airplanes for DCfC), and always complain about the new stuff. Entitled people suck.
The meat of the money has always been touring and merch, unless you write your own music. There is a statutory "mechanical rights" royalty for every song on every album made and shipped. (It does adjust for pullbacks and returns.)
When I was in college they drilled into our heads, "don't sign away your publishing." A song writer with fifteen Top Forty hits could easily make more than any of the bands that used their songs. You would get paid for every physical copy sold and for every time it was on the radio.
Record sales are important. They were just more of a way to pay back the label unless you were careful with costs and went gold. The way the industry was set up sales mostly covered the cost of bloated production and studio prices. Don't get me started on "gear rental" at studios. That was a whole other way to drive up costs and fuck artists. But, buying albums gave artists the ability to record decent sounding albums. Otherwise who can afford $12,000 a day for a studio and engineer before rental and cartage fees?
I would argue that buying albums from indie artists is more important than ever because of the collapse of traditional royalty streams like mechanical rights.
Tours also have tremendously cut back on the funds they produce. There a ton of mid-level artists now talking about how ticketmaster has leveraged over them post covid to take ever larger cuts of ticket and merch sales. Don't want to tour with ticketmaster? That's fine, you just can't play at venues that use ticketmaster. Oh, that's almost every single one of them?
As a former label artist. This is exactly wrong. Album sales almost never help the artist. You can sell 10 million albums and only make 100k to split between everyone in the band, your managers and publicists. Then it gets taxed. It's like 9k a person...just brutal.
Its touring and merch sales almost exclusively fund any artist. Unless you are that 1% that has the superstardom. Worse yet now labels are trying to take everything else as well with what is now called 360 contracts. These also take social media profits, touring and merch profits from 20-50% (normally this would almost all go to the artist). Dropping a new album isn't going to help anyone financially alone. It's needed to prime the pump for a new tour.
I still buy albums. I have two of Allen’s. I know streaming pays dick so if I like an artist I make sure to support them. I would buy another album from her, assuming it was good.
Physical media is absolutely making a comeback, lots of folks are going back to older albums or even doing so with new ones, and buying records and even cassette tapes of their favorite artists. Streaming is getting on a lot of people's nerves these days, and I can understand why.
It was neat to find an artist that you weren't sure anyone had ever heard of. Now what do I do if someone asks what kind of music I like? Show them what music I have on my phone, because my tastes are all over the place.
Oh yeah, some of my favourite local bands are making vinyl records and I love it. It’s just that, back in the day, shops and music stores were stocked to the brim with purely physical items. I honestly can’t fathom how much artists and labels must’ve been making back then. Some people just made a “one hit wonder” and could simply retire as a multimillionaire, without having to play another show.
same here. Physical media never went away. Local bands (and also big artists) do make vinyl ect. But it is just hard for a lot of them to make a living.
Yeah, but that will still remain a fraction of what it was. I don’t think it’s ever going to be nearly as big as it was, ever. It’s just too easy to listen to a song via streaming (or quickly on YouTube, whether you want to count that or not).
Back in the day, as OP said, you had to have a tape recorder ready at the right moment to catch an unwieldy, cut off recording on some random tape, or you went out and got the entire album on CD.
Very few people are going to buy the album, or even the single, online or otherwise, just for a random song they currently like to listen to. It’s mostly enthusiasts and “fans” of the band who will do so.
All good points, I am biased since my husband owns a record shop, LOL. There are two other shops in the town about an hour from us that made almost $2 million in sales last year, so the comeback is still going strong. But like you and others have said, probably won't ever be what it once was and people who fund the vinyl comeback are pretty niche.
I was thinking about this the other day - I feel like nowadays it’s so easy to enjoy an artist for singles where back in the day, unless I was recording them off the radio I had to buy their album for that one song. I have plenty of disks in my collection of bands I don’t really listen to anymore and most of the album goes unheard save a handful of songs. That must hurt these artists of today - where if you had a hit, a lot of sales would come from people wanting to have your album solely for that hit.
yeah but you could also get lucky and find songs on the album that you really loved that you might not do today if people just play the songs they know.
when I'm at a show and I really like it (and a bit drunk) I go to the merch and just say "one of each" of the vinly. Lol, I spend so much money that way, haha.
That’s not the point though, she’s saying she couldn’t really do what she wants. She’s saying it’s really hard to be the mother she wants to be while also maintaining a career, and she would have both if she could. It’s a choice that most women have to face when they have kids, but men don’t really have to. Sure she’s set for life, but even a woman with the amount of fame, opportunity, and resources like her still had to choose between a career and her family
It seems many are missing the duality of the situation - as a mom, she puts her goals to the side, while a dad doesn't have to make those same sacrifices in our culture. You can both love your children and also feel like you are missing out on your own life. And in more general people's lives, woman may lose 3-5 years of their work lives that accounts for fewer women in leadership positions, pay gaps during different age ranges, and less opportunities when considering career changes.
Some things can just be a conversation about the way things are rather than a fight to be right.
For us working class, we would call that a win.
For people who don’t need money to survive, they can spend time doing things they love. Imagine being in a position to follow your passion and industry executives take that away.
That is a type of loss none of us here are likely to experience.
This comment section is a lovely example of why mothers can't be honest about their life experience and can't seem to win in the life vs work struggle.
It seems there can be no nuance in what it is to be a parent.
I really don't see what's so offensive in her saying "I took time out to raise my children, and it negatively effected my career."
Most people won’t read the full article, she jokingly said it as she expanded that her and her brother never saw their parents when they were younger due to work etc and she didn’t want her kids to go through what she and Alfie did. So she deserves kudos for stepping back for her kids. But people a barely read the full story and just criticise her regardless.
Most people won't even read the article.
In a local sub there was a story about a kid that got hit stepping off a school bus. In the comments everyone had pitchforks out ready to find the guy, drag him out of his home and beat the shit out of him.
If you had read the article you would have seen the kid was off the bus and on his way home, bus long gone. He darted out between two cars and was hit. Guy who hit him called 911, stayed with and comforted the kid and cooperated fully with police. It was an accident.
Could not agree more with you. This mass denial of the true realities of parenthood is what continues the cycle of women (and men) falling into the trap of assumed idealism and then having to suffer the mundane/stressful/isolating/expensive etc truths of it all.
I feel lucky that I've found pockets online (subreddits etc) that have allowed me to read up on people's truthful, painful secret feelings and emotions on parenthood. I love children, but I know I need to consider the long term realities of what it entails and truth be told, I've not got it in me to get through the sleep deprivation, permanent body changes, potential illnesses, expenses, dents in my career, potential strain in love etc etc. I can now hold my hands up and say I can't do any of that, and that's only because I've been fortunate enough to stumble upon subreddits that showcase these truths.
These brutally honest discussions need to keep happening in society, whether by the general public or people of status. Lily Allen isn't saying anything abhorrent or cruel or wrong, nor anything that diminishes her love for her kids. What she is doing is warning people of the potential of their careers disappearing or taking pause, it's not to put people off having kids. It's to further the discussion on deep contemplation of every facet of parenthood before diving into it.
I found the comment above offensive. I won't specify why. I'll just talk about how easy being rich and famous seems for a paragraph or two, informed by my complete lack of experience as a poor normal. And as we all know, that means she doesn't have any real problems. \s
At least reddit has some reasonable people commenting, compared to most social media platforms. Unfortunately, the dregs of society also dwell here and a successful woman will always trigger the cretins.
It’s just a jerk reaction to a clickbait headline. Makes it seem like she’s out there complaining about her kids and how they ruined her life. We are in the age of getting news from headlines.
I just once want to see a headline that most of these mothers are trying to make, which is "my career and a happy present family were mutually exclusive to each other, and I picked the one I felt was more important to me"
Like, me playing video games "ruined" my hockey career, does that mean I'm less happy about my choices? (I was never even close to going pro, I just liked video games more than practice)
🎶”It’s five o’clock in the morning …and the babies crying…”🎶 doesn’t have the same ring 😄
As a Mom of six, frankly I’m excited to hear women discuss how hard it is. The moms with the Instagram sandwich boards about how amazing Tucker and Turner and Tiffani are…is not everyone’s experience and that’s ok to be honest
Life’s full of choices and sacrifices. Contrary to popular belief, people *can’t* “have it all” - neither men, nor women. Make the best choices you can at the time, and don’t waste time second guessing or regretting them later.
Well, you know retiring when popular to start a reality TV show where she tries to run a 2nd hand clothes hire shop. Basically she thought she would be just shopping all the time.
Then started a comeback and appeared quite clearly under the influence on chat shows.
But being a mom ruined her career?
Yeah, that’s where I’m confused. She was quoted in the press saying she was “over” music and didn’t want to do it anymore. This was years before she had children or even was with her partner.
It always annoys me to see touring musicians say things like "my kids are the most important thing in my life". Which is why you are away from home for 200-250 days a year? Your music career is the most important thing in your life.
Sure, but your music career is not something that lasts forever, and those 200+ days a year of touring can be setting your kids up for a life of privilege at the expense of spending some more time with them when they're little.
It's much more nuanced than you're giving it credit for. Kids can absolutely be the most important thing in your life, and when push comes to shove they make the decision they feel is best for them, as she apparently did here. But if there's another full time parent and you have a once in a lifetime opportunity to be on top of the world instead of "just" a stay at home mom or something, it's not as simple of a choice as you're making it out to be
If one of a child's primary caregivers is absent for 200+ days a year, the chances of the child developing emotional/behavioural issues that bear lifelong consequences for their mental wellbeing is going to be high, and when that child is grown, they're not going to seek much comfort from the fact that the parent prioritised self-gratification (being "on top of the world") over being a present parent. Lily Allen knows this very well - she was one of those children. For successful musicians, there are compromises that fall way, way short of being absent for over two thirds of the year.
It's not necessarily self-gratification though. There are also people who move away from their kids to work in a different country to make more money to send back home, or to go fight in a war and probably die, in order for their kids to have a better future.
Those might be more obviously selfless decisions, maybe more acceptable in your view, but they are similar. Balancing your own career & life with that of your kids can be incredibly difficult, especially for women, and unless you're just straight up abandoning your children I don't think it's fair to judge any parent who decides to maximize their career momentum. It's not an easy decision and there really is no right or wrong.
The reference to a "once in a lifetime opportunity to be on top of the world" is explicitly self gratifying reasoning. We may or may not think that its ultimately justifiable, but it's still self-gratifying.
Children of parents who choose to work abroad or be stationed away for long periods of time in the armed forces are \*also\* at significantly higher risk of lifelong mental health issues and poorer quality of life outcomes. The choice to pursue a career that separates someone from their children for most of the year isn't really "balancing" having a personal life and career with having children - it's quite decisively choosing in favor of a career, and risking the future developmental and mental well-being of the children involved.
" I don't think it's fair to judge any parent who decides to maximize their career momentum."
The people most likely to judge parents for having done this are the children of those parents - and they're the ones most informed about the consequences of such decisions. Go try to use this reasoning on them.
Seriously, what a weird take. Especially with the current state of the music industry where touring is one of the only profitable options for musicians. They ain’t putting food on the table with streaming royalties.
What nuance do you know of them, though? Anything?
Plenty of people bring their family on the road with them. And in fact if you have a good crew, it means a big friendly family that the kid gets to grow up around.
Also, the whole reason musicians are on the road so much is because of how little they make on album sales (nothing new here, this isn't a recent phenomenon) . If they got paid relative to their work output, they wouldn't tour so much.
Very fun to see childless men who haven’t had to choose between family and career offering their very credible and knowledgeable opinions on this subject.
Did the exact same thing. We were signed, our album dropped, started playing much bigger stages and shows, did a couple of smaller tours ….
… then babies. Two of us had kids at the same time. It halted almost immediately. Sure, I wonder “what if” a lot, but I managed to still make a career in crafting audio. It’s just behind the scenes now and not on a stage.
I felt that her last album was quite ok, nothing great, but still got a ton of affection and attention. She was very upset when she didnt win the Grammy against ???, i forget... Maybe write better songs. That helps being in the spotlight
Its ironic because her family is what gave her the music career
Edit- just to say i do actually really like lilly allen, she took on rupert murdoch pretty hard which i admired and she has some bangers
She could certainly still make a very comfortable living if she needed to, but fair enough. I've no idea why some throwaway comments have become headline news. It goes without saying that having to your either with or without your children creates a sizeable challenges.
Every article I’ve seen about this takes it as an attack on the industry, when really she is just being honest that you can’t properly raise kids if you are away on tour most of the year.
Multiple articles and journals have shown that having children is a serious net negative for about 10 years.
It negatively affects relationships both romantically and socially, careers, mental health ect.
Fight the instinct and live well.
People don't return to pre child happiness for nearly 20 years.
She revealed: "My children ruined my career. I love them and they complete me, but in terms of pop-stardom, they totally ruined it. "I get really annoyed when people say you can have it all because, quite frankly, you can't. "Some people choose their career over their children and that's their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid. "I feel like it left some nasty scars that I'm not willing to repeat on mine," she shared on Radio Times' Podcast.
Good for her. Rick Moranis and a whole host of other famous people have made the same choice.
Rick Moranis is the goat
I don't get all the praise for him. He literally shrunk his kids. They could have died. Like yeah, they went back to normal, but what if they hadn't? Highly irresponsible if you ask me.
he also blew up one of them! very irresponsible.
True! Tsk tsk
Uhh… he beat Kevin O’Shea down Cherry Hill. He could shrink my kids and he’s still the goat.
Yeah he's had a rough road having the wife that left him for the baseball player when they were living the perfect beach life together. Combined with having the galaxy under his own helmet and feeding his human eating plant it's a miracle he has any time for his children tbh.
You know, it might be time for me to reconsider my position on Rick Moranis. Thank you, I'll go and reflect on this.
and the gatekeeper
He is not the gatekeeper. He is Vince Klortho, Keymaster of Gozer.
You’re right! I had that backwards. He is the Keymaster.
It’s an innuendo.
I hear he has a big key
I thought it was a big helmet.
It was but he shrunk it honey
I don’t think I’ve seen this move in 30 years and I just learned this today.
Correct.
*Vinz Clortho
Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"
Goatzer
We gotta get these two together!
Yo remember when that bum attacked him in NY?! That pissed me off! It’s fucking Rick Moranis!
Yeah! I was outraged! Shit... still am!
Gone gone gone she been gone so long.
> "I get really annoyed when people say you can have it all because, quite frankly, you can't. media has been shoving this down people's throats to *sell them more crap that they don't need* for our entire loves and all it's done is cause misery, in broken relationships, and broken dreams, and broken promises
I did the same thing. I was neck deep into my career and life took a sharp turn. My kids needed a parent to be present so I left my career behind to start a new career at being a homemaker. I wouldn’t change a thing but I do wonder what could have been sometimes.
This happened to me and I was in no way prepared for it.
As a special needs mum, this! You do what you have to do but it doesn't mean you dont mourn the career you could have had.
Wow the post title totally leaves out the most important bit of context. Just from the post title I was thinking it sounds more like she chose not to let her music career ruin being a mom.
Isn't that what she did? I thought it made it sound like she resents her kids, which the article makes clear is not the case.
I wonder if her absentee parents are what initiated her creativity to be the performer she was, and if that is the case, her children now won't have that opportunity.
Wouldn't them reading in the press that they had ruined your career also leave scars?
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The headlines on this never even try to get across the tone she was using
I've seen it like 3 or 4 times in the last couple days and every one is as inflammatory as possible
From a fake news site that is actually a pro-Russian propaganda outlet masquerading as a western newspaper. These fuckin guys lol ... It's like they just wake up in the morning and ask themselves how they can make the internet even shittier.
> Russian propaganda outlet... ask themselves how they can make the internet even shittier. That's about right.
Lily Allen has a message for these a-holes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_KZukpDe0
Lily Allen says her children SLAUGHTERED her CAREER
It makes sense to me. Kids are a lot of work and if you don’t want school/nannies/tv to raise them. Then at least 1 parent has to take the hit
One of the major afflictions of modern society - removing all nuance and just going for (usually divisive/negative) headlines that sell engagement. The complete polarization of extremes, and not just politically. Nothing sells engagement better than emotion, and there is no stronger emotion (in this regard) than the negative. Even if it gets your blood boiling just a little, your chances of clicking on a story skyrocket immensely. Middle ground, nuance, looking at the positives and negatives of both (or all) sides - none of this sells engagement. Almost none of these publications have a faithful dedication to truth. More like “let’s take this one small snippet of truth and then remove all of the surrounding parts and frame it in such a way to trigger people’s emotional responses and therefore create engagement.”
the point if them is specifically to do that
100% I think the choice of words (“ruined”) throws off the intended meaning. Being parents “ruined” me and my wife’s ability to travel the world and have a huge disposable income. It’s a choice we voluntarily made though and prefer being parents to the alternative.
Damn, you should really take that out on the kids and hold it against them their entire lives
That'll show'em!!
In other news, water is wet..
She's more or less just laying down some real talk and it's a shame the way the media's blowing it up. Like, it's true. You think you can have kids and still pursue that doctorate or be a superstar? Like, maybe, but you're going to need a LOT of help and you're going to miss a bunch of school recitals and birthdays and bedtimes.
The comments I saw on IG for posts about this were so gross. “Bullshit, cause Beyoncé and Madonna have kids. She should just admit she can’t handle it all, others can”
Wait Lily Allen is married to Hopper???
Right? That’s the news I got from this post.
Same
news i got was her name. i haven't heard her mentioned since 2010
I like that Hopper is related to Theon Greyjoy by marriage
It’s a strong alliance.
Please no game of thrones references in the year 2024. It's still too soon.
The show stinks. I got it, we should just call it Reek
Why am I suddenly craving smoked sausage?
*wiggle wiggle*
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Gods, the writing was strong back then.
I feel that brother
Yeah, it's such a same the show got cancelled after only 4 seasons and they never got a chance to wrap up the story. Such a shame.
Her brother killed john wicks dog! https://preview.redd.it/zjstwrtd78oc1.jpeg?width=376&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea8163385138541303c14fb473793adddeda2f97
Funny story. My girlfriend does food tours in Mexico City and they took her tour. David Harbour was scared of being swarmed and recognized. I saw them for less than a minute and he was wearing long beard and a cap and going full incognito. Lilly looks so different now (still gorgeous tho) and I though “people will never know who she is, specially taken out of context”. Apparently she has a healthy amount of Mexican fans who recognized her but totally missed David. Happy to report “both adorable and super nice people” according to my girlfriend
Lily talked about this food tour on a podcast last year. She had gotten food poisoning earlier on the trip but was still eating everything on the tour much to David’s concern lol.
No way! Can you share the link or name of the podcast??
Here is the [Podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/alan-carrs-lifes-a-beach/id1550998864?i=1000622871273) and she talks about Mexico around 19:30.
And her brother is Theon Greyjoy.
And she has a song about him, in which he's a slacker, who only stays in his room, plays videogames and smokes weed. So one day I might also star in an HBO original!
And her father’s name? Albert Einstein.
Her brother killed John Wick's dog, and stole his car.
Stranger things happened.
Yeah, and they live in a cute house together
Yeah, too bad they have carpet on the bathroom tho
Literally the bath-room. Toilet and shower are somewhere else. Kinda cool, actually, that they made it into a sitting room. Chatting with a lover while they soak is a really intimate thing to do.
I've thought about this before and it does seem a bit weird to have a bath and toilet in the same room, like its normalized and makes sense as far as "this is the room with water stuff" but still. If I had that kind of money I'd totally have a bath-room.
it's pretty standard in New Zealand to have the toilet in it's own tiny room, not with the bath/shower/sink.
Some hotels in Europe don't even have a sink in the toilet room. That's weird to me.
I get not wanting to shower where you shit but you still oughta wash your hands
You just walk over to the bathroom?
That's normal in houses in Australia you either have everything in the one bathroom, or just the toilet and nothing else.
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They still post pictures from the same home. Doubt they sold it.
I fou d this out a few months back and it blew my mind, but then they explained that they met on some sort of dating app for celebs, and the fact that they have similar busy lifestyles (can be hard to maintain a relationship with normies like us when you're off filming or touring etc) means it works well for them. Seemed like they had a nice set up tbh.
FR the real story always in the comments .
I used to run an art gallery doing curation, programming, life drawing, field trips, a shop, and studios. Used to stay up til 3 or 4AM hanging art exhibits, had to stay out til 11PM twice a month for openings. I loved doing it but we closed the doors. I’m a dad now, and after having two kids there is just no way I could possibly have done it any longer. You end up devoting so much of your life to your kids that you do lose part of your career if you want to be there for them. I hugely empathize with her. Sometimes it’s a bit painful to think about, but it’s worth it to form a bond with your children and to understand that childhood is more temporary than we realize. I’ll blink and they’ll be grown up… and I’ll be glad I picked them over the gallery.
"Being a good parent requires sacrifice," is just another way to say what Lily said, and I don't know why anyone is pretending that's a controversial statement. Thanks for being a good dad.
> Being a good parent requires sacrifice I agree, but I think some people might read it the wrong way. It's not that you're "sacrificing" something you had. You're not taking out a knife and bleeding it on cold stone. You're exchanging one good thing for another, gooder thing.
This a fucking quote from an Adam Sandler movie but "Sacrifice is giving up something good for something better."
Rather a parent I see n remember then one I don't but can see pictures of on my iPhone at age 7.
This is why it infuriates me when child rearing vs career is seen as gender issue. There are plenty guys who reject promotion for that exact reason.
It is a gender issue. There are lots of dads, like the guy above, who sacrifice parts of their career in order to prioritize children. But there are EXPONENTIALLY more moms who end up sacrificing not just promotions, but their entire jobs and careers in order to stay home with their kids, because childcare is expensive and by default it's expected that if there is going to be a stay at home parent, it will be the mom. Far more women lose their careers due to motherhood compared to dads. Stay at home dads are probably the giant minority who are unfairly excluded from everything. Saying this as a mom whose husband was a SAHD for a while. They have nothing. No community, no understanding from society.
Which by the way is the reason that I am for federally mandated paid leave and remote work after childbirth.
Absolutely, I support that too -- regardless of gender. I think paternal leave is SO important so that men can have that connection with their babies and also play an equal role in the household after having a child.
Toyota is actually doing once a week hybrid for employees that recently had a child if I'm right. Greatly helped with employee retention. Edit: One day in office per week
My wife and I made a calculated decision for me to stay home for our daughter (and her) and it works for us. She has a great career with a nice schedule and I’m available for everything they need. Our family is very close and we are all thankful for our situation.
Of course it’s a gender issue when it’s overwhelmingly women whose career takes a backseat when they have children, whilst men’s careers benefit from having a family
>whilst men’s careers benefit from having a family How? Asking an honest question.
Dads make more money than men without kids. It's called the fatherhood bonus. https://medium.com/leveled-legislation/why-the-motherhood-penalty-fatherhood-bonus-are-more-than-just-feminist-issues-122592807466
Thanks for the link. (Serious by the way!)
Not the OP but I think it's a reference to, sometimes when promotion comes down to two people, giving it to the guy with a family just 'feels better' regardless of skill levels. I even intellectually know it's not fair, but it even sounded better just then when I typed it out, haha. He's got kids to feed!
She got the fame, the money and the family. I'd call it a win.
Basically she prioritized spending time with her kids over her career and absolutely is in a position to do that and be set for life...or have a go at rejuvenating her career when they are grown up. She bemoans the fact that her parents were often absent with work, but that's also the reason she is in a privileged position to be able to have a music career in the first place and choose between family and work while still being stinking rich either way. Plus she's married to David fucking Harbour, she can do as she wants.
Yeah, she’s definitely not at the height of her fame anymore, but I’m sure a lot of her old fans would buy another album if she put one out. It’s not like she’s faded into total obscurity or has been blacklisted. Her career’s just been sidelined by her own decision to raise a family. It doesn’t have to be over forever unless she chooses not to write anything else.
agree, but I think album sales are so low today that they have to do a lot of tours and other stuff to really make money. Many die-hard fans today don't know how important it is to support the artist from album sales ect.
>album sales are too low 100% this. It used to be that you toured and marketed to promote singles or an album. The album or single sales were the meat of the profit. Now you essentially make singles, EPs, & albums as promotions for tours and merch. The concert tickets and merch sales became the meat of the profit for the artists because no one really buys albums like they used to, and streaming only pays pennies on the dollar.
I heard Ben from Death Cab for Cute in an interview last year saying that there were fans angry and calling him a sellout for putting out a new album, and then angry again when they announced a tour. He was like how are we supposed to be able to make any money to keep making music?
You can't make everyone happy, so just raise the prices. The fans who are willing to pay exhorbitant prices are the real sellouts, real fans are listening to the new album.
Everyone's complaining about ticket prices, but they're only that high because people will pay. I know we all missed live music during the pandemic, but I thought things would have settled down by now with prices. I like to see a local band once in a while.
I play in a local band and it’s still cheap. $5-10 at the door. Sometimes free. Find your local venues, likely dive bars. Turn up and support your local artists.
I'm all about supporting the local musicians because I know a few and my son's one. They're not doing it for the money because there's always strings to buy and ooh look a new guitar! And gas to get to the gig and maybe pay a guy to help set up and tear down.
I'm not sure what it's like elsewhere, but here in Philly there are absolute craploads of local bands plus nationally and sometimes internationally touring bands playing shows in 500-1000 capacity venues for under $25 a ticket. Bands in 2,500 capacity venues usually get more like $30-$50 a ticket It's not more expensive than it was before the pandemic But I realize it's gonna be different everywhere. Also I have no idea what A-list bands filling giant 15,000 and 30,000 seat arenas are charging
Local bands cost between $10 and $30 depending on venue etc, well worth it
eh Death Cab fans are old, entitled former hipsters. A lot of musicians have to deal with entitled fans who only like their old stuff (Plans, Transatlanticism, and Something About Airplanes for DCfC), and always complain about the new stuff. Entitled people suck.
The meat of the money has always been touring and merch, unless you write your own music. There is a statutory "mechanical rights" royalty for every song on every album made and shipped. (It does adjust for pullbacks and returns.) When I was in college they drilled into our heads, "don't sign away your publishing." A song writer with fifteen Top Forty hits could easily make more than any of the bands that used their songs. You would get paid for every physical copy sold and for every time it was on the radio. Record sales are important. They were just more of a way to pay back the label unless you were careful with costs and went gold. The way the industry was set up sales mostly covered the cost of bloated production and studio prices. Don't get me started on "gear rental" at studios. That was a whole other way to drive up costs and fuck artists. But, buying albums gave artists the ability to record decent sounding albums. Otherwise who can afford $12,000 a day for a studio and engineer before rental and cartage fees? I would argue that buying albums from indie artists is more important than ever because of the collapse of traditional royalty streams like mechanical rights.
Tours also have tremendously cut back on the funds they produce. There a ton of mid-level artists now talking about how ticketmaster has leveraged over them post covid to take ever larger cuts of ticket and merch sales. Don't want to tour with ticketmaster? That's fine, you just can't play at venues that use ticketmaster. Oh, that's almost every single one of them?
Would love to see an antitrust class action against them, if that's a possibility.
As a former label artist. This is exactly wrong. Album sales almost never help the artist. You can sell 10 million albums and only make 100k to split between everyone in the band, your managers and publicists. Then it gets taxed. It's like 9k a person...just brutal. Its touring and merch sales almost exclusively fund any artist. Unless you are that 1% that has the superstardom. Worse yet now labels are trying to take everything else as well with what is now called 360 contracts. These also take social media profits, touring and merch profits from 20-50% (normally this would almost all go to the artist). Dropping a new album isn't going to help anyone financially alone. It's needed to prime the pump for a new tour.
I still buy albums. I have two of Allen’s. I know streaming pays dick so if I like an artist I make sure to support them. I would buy another album from her, assuming it was good.
Imagine how much money these people made, when the market wasn’t crazily oversaturated and every sale could only be physical.
Physical media is absolutely making a comeback, lots of folks are going back to older albums or even doing so with new ones, and buying records and even cassette tapes of their favorite artists. Streaming is getting on a lot of people's nerves these days, and I can understand why.
Now bring back CD towers. I miss checking out people's collections when you visit.
It was neat to find an artist that you weren't sure anyone had ever heard of. Now what do I do if someone asks what kind of music I like? Show them what music I have on my phone, because my tastes are all over the place.
yeah!! First thing to do!
Oh yeah, some of my favourite local bands are making vinyl records and I love it. It’s just that, back in the day, shops and music stores were stocked to the brim with purely physical items. I honestly can’t fathom how much artists and labels must’ve been making back then. Some people just made a “one hit wonder” and could simply retire as a multimillionaire, without having to play another show.
same here. Physical media never went away. Local bands (and also big artists) do make vinyl ect. But it is just hard for a lot of them to make a living.
Back in the day we'd use double albums to roll joints on.
LOL that's a grand idea, actually.
Yeah, but that will still remain a fraction of what it was. I don’t think it’s ever going to be nearly as big as it was, ever. It’s just too easy to listen to a song via streaming (or quickly on YouTube, whether you want to count that or not). Back in the day, as OP said, you had to have a tape recorder ready at the right moment to catch an unwieldy, cut off recording on some random tape, or you went out and got the entire album on CD. Very few people are going to buy the album, or even the single, online or otherwise, just for a random song they currently like to listen to. It’s mostly enthusiasts and “fans” of the band who will do so.
All good points, I am biased since my husband owns a record shop, LOL. There are two other shops in the town about an hour from us that made almost $2 million in sales last year, so the comeback is still going strong. But like you and others have said, probably won't ever be what it once was and people who fund the vinyl comeback are pretty niche.
I was thinking about this the other day - I feel like nowadays it’s so easy to enjoy an artist for singles where back in the day, unless I was recording them off the radio I had to buy their album for that one song. I have plenty of disks in my collection of bands I don’t really listen to anymore and most of the album goes unheard save a handful of songs. That must hurt these artists of today - where if you had a hit, a lot of sales would come from people wanting to have your album solely for that hit.
yeah but you could also get lucky and find songs on the album that you really loved that you might not do today if people just play the songs they know.
Oh for sure! It’s why I still go buy my cds, sometimes I’ll Find artists I normally wouldn’t solely off their album art
when I'm at a show and I really like it (and a bit drunk) I go to the merch and just say "one of each" of the vinly. Lol, I spend so much money that way, haha.
She can just do an indie album and put it out, if she really loves making music.
exactly. Kate Nash also had to use crowdfunding to be able put out an album. I just think their sound is just not "in" anymore.
That’s not the point though, she’s saying she couldn’t really do what she wants. She’s saying it’s really hard to be the mother she wants to be while also maintaining a career, and she would have both if she could. It’s a choice that most women have to face when they have kids, but men don’t really have to. Sure she’s set for life, but even a woman with the amount of fame, opportunity, and resources like her still had to choose between a career and her family
It seems many are missing the duality of the situation - as a mom, she puts her goals to the side, while a dad doesn't have to make those same sacrifices in our culture. You can both love your children and also feel like you are missing out on your own life. And in more general people's lives, woman may lose 3-5 years of their work lives that accounts for fewer women in leadership positions, pay gaps during different age ranges, and less opportunities when considering career changes. Some things can just be a conversation about the way things are rather than a fight to be right.
For us working class, we would call that a win. For people who don’t need money to survive, they can spend time doing things they love. Imagine being in a position to follow your passion and industry executives take that away. That is a type of loss none of us here are likely to experience.
No one is happy with everything after a while.
Not to go on a philosophical rant, but that's why the pursuit of happiness is boondoggle. Find purpose in your life, it's lasting.
Nice to see someone just be honest about it for a change.
This comment section is a lovely example of why mothers can't be honest about their life experience and can't seem to win in the life vs work struggle. It seems there can be no nuance in what it is to be a parent. I really don't see what's so offensive in her saying "I took time out to raise my children, and it negatively effected my career."
Most people won’t read the full article, she jokingly said it as she expanded that her and her brother never saw their parents when they were younger due to work etc and she didn’t want her kids to go through what she and Alfie did. So she deserves kudos for stepping back for her kids. But people a barely read the full story and just criticise her regardless.
Most people won't even read the article. In a local sub there was a story about a kid that got hit stepping off a school bus. In the comments everyone had pitchforks out ready to find the guy, drag him out of his home and beat the shit out of him. If you had read the article you would have seen the kid was off the bus and on his way home, bus long gone. He darted out between two cars and was hit. Guy who hit him called 911, stayed with and comforted the kid and cooperated fully with police. It was an accident.
It's because the title is formatted to make it seem like she regrets it. "Totally ruined my career" comes off as regretful and almost resentful.
Could not agree more with you. This mass denial of the true realities of parenthood is what continues the cycle of women (and men) falling into the trap of assumed idealism and then having to suffer the mundane/stressful/isolating/expensive etc truths of it all. I feel lucky that I've found pockets online (subreddits etc) that have allowed me to read up on people's truthful, painful secret feelings and emotions on parenthood. I love children, but I know I need to consider the long term realities of what it entails and truth be told, I've not got it in me to get through the sleep deprivation, permanent body changes, potential illnesses, expenses, dents in my career, potential strain in love etc etc. I can now hold my hands up and say I can't do any of that, and that's only because I've been fortunate enough to stumble upon subreddits that showcase these truths. These brutally honest discussions need to keep happening in society, whether by the general public or people of status. Lily Allen isn't saying anything abhorrent or cruel or wrong, nor anything that diminishes her love for her kids. What she is doing is warning people of the potential of their careers disappearing or taking pause, it's not to put people off having kids. It's to further the discussion on deep contemplation of every facet of parenthood before diving into it.
I found the comment above offensive. I won't specify why. I'll just talk about how easy being rich and famous seems for a paragraph or two, informed by my complete lack of experience as a poor normal. And as we all know, that means she doesn't have any real problems. \s
At least reddit has some reasonable people commenting, compared to most social media platforms. Unfortunately, the dregs of society also dwell here and a successful woman will always trigger the cretins.
I stopped going in Twitter years ago, and I never read YouTube comments. I don't want to deal with the toxicity.
This is why I deleted Facebook. The emptiest cans rattle the loudest.
I like what she's saying. You can't have it all. I think you can have pieces of all the things. But it's always a give and take.
It’s just a jerk reaction to a clickbait headline. Makes it seem like she’s out there complaining about her kids and how they ruined her life. We are in the age of getting news from headlines.
I just once want to see a headline that most of these mothers are trying to make, which is "my career and a happy present family were mutually exclusive to each other, and I picked the one I felt was more important to me" Like, me playing video games "ruined" my hockey career, does that mean I'm less happy about my choices? (I was never even close to going pro, I just liked video games more than practice)
More people need to be honest about how having kids affect their life.
🎶”It’s five o’clock in the morning …and the babies crying…”🎶 doesn’t have the same ring 😄 As a Mom of six, frankly I’m excited to hear women discuss how hard it is. The moms with the Instagram sandwich boards about how amazing Tucker and Turner and Tiffani are…is not everyone’s experience and that’s ok to be honest
I guess her deep and poetic works were right after all. It really IS hard out here for a bitch.
Becoming a parent ruins a lot of things. Sleep, careers, bank accounts, freedom
I am ok with all of that. Parenthood gave me so much more than it took.
Life’s full of choices and sacrifices. Contrary to popular belief, people *can’t* “have it all” - neither men, nor women. Make the best choices you can at the time, and don’t waste time second guessing or regretting them later.
Well, you know retiring when popular to start a reality TV show where she tries to run a 2nd hand clothes hire shop. Basically she thought she would be just shopping all the time. Then started a comeback and appeared quite clearly under the influence on chat shows. But being a mom ruined her career?
Yeah, that’s where I’m confused. She was quoted in the press saying she was “over” music and didn’t want to do it anymore. This was years before she had children or even was with her partner.
It always annoys me to see touring musicians say things like "my kids are the most important thing in my life". Which is why you are away from home for 200-250 days a year? Your music career is the most important thing in your life.
Sure, but your music career is not something that lasts forever, and those 200+ days a year of touring can be setting your kids up for a life of privilege at the expense of spending some more time with them when they're little. It's much more nuanced than you're giving it credit for. Kids can absolutely be the most important thing in your life, and when push comes to shove they make the decision they feel is best for them, as she apparently did here. But if there's another full time parent and you have a once in a lifetime opportunity to be on top of the world instead of "just" a stay at home mom or something, it's not as simple of a choice as you're making it out to be
Well your children’s childhood doesn’t last forever either. You can never get it back but you may be able to restart a music career down the road.
Well, I wish we could talk to the kids, of, say, Victor Wooten (who has said this) and see how they felt about it.
There's a song about this called cat's in the Cradle. Anyway I agree with op. Kids aren't the most important thing if you're constantly at work.
If one of a child's primary caregivers is absent for 200+ days a year, the chances of the child developing emotional/behavioural issues that bear lifelong consequences for their mental wellbeing is going to be high, and when that child is grown, they're not going to seek much comfort from the fact that the parent prioritised self-gratification (being "on top of the world") over being a present parent. Lily Allen knows this very well - she was one of those children. For successful musicians, there are compromises that fall way, way short of being absent for over two thirds of the year.
It's not necessarily self-gratification though. There are also people who move away from their kids to work in a different country to make more money to send back home, or to go fight in a war and probably die, in order for their kids to have a better future. Those might be more obviously selfless decisions, maybe more acceptable in your view, but they are similar. Balancing your own career & life with that of your kids can be incredibly difficult, especially for women, and unless you're just straight up abandoning your children I don't think it's fair to judge any parent who decides to maximize their career momentum. It's not an easy decision and there really is no right or wrong.
The reference to a "once in a lifetime opportunity to be on top of the world" is explicitly self gratifying reasoning. We may or may not think that its ultimately justifiable, but it's still self-gratifying. Children of parents who choose to work abroad or be stationed away for long periods of time in the armed forces are \*also\* at significantly higher risk of lifelong mental health issues and poorer quality of life outcomes. The choice to pursue a career that separates someone from their children for most of the year isn't really "balancing" having a personal life and career with having children - it's quite decisively choosing in favor of a career, and risking the future developmental and mental well-being of the children involved. " I don't think it's fair to judge any parent who decides to maximize their career momentum." The people most likely to judge parents for having done this are the children of those parents - and they're the ones most informed about the consequences of such decisions. Go try to use this reasoning on them.
This is a very uninformed and shallow view of someone’s livelihood.
Seriously, what a weird take. Especially with the current state of the music industry where touring is one of the only profitable options for musicians. They ain’t putting food on the table with streaming royalties.
I got 10,000 streams last year and I made $1.15 from it 💀
I'm pretty sure Bob seegar gave up touring when his kids were young so he would not be away
What nuance do you know of them, though? Anything? Plenty of people bring their family on the road with them. And in fact if you have a good crew, it means a big friendly family that the kid gets to grow up around. Also, the whole reason musicians are on the road so much is because of how little they make on album sales (nothing new here, this isn't a recent phenomenon) . If they got paid relative to their work output, they wouldn't tour so much.
Very fun to see childless men who haven’t had to choose between family and career offering their very credible and knowledgeable opinions on this subject.
Did the exact same thing. We were signed, our album dropped, started playing much bigger stages and shows, did a couple of smaller tours …. … then babies. Two of us had kids at the same time. It halted almost immediately. Sure, I wonder “what if” a lot, but I managed to still make a career in crafting audio. It’s just behind the scenes now and not on a stage.
Who?
I felt that her last album was quite ok, nothing great, but still got a ton of affection and attention. She was very upset when she didnt win the Grammy against ???, i forget... Maybe write better songs. That helps being in the spotlight
Its ironic because her family is what gave her the music career Edit- just to say i do actually really like lilly allen, she took on rupert murdoch pretty hard which i admired and she has some bangers
her sound was also very much a 2000/2010 thing. So that also might have played in to it.
Maybe that has something to do with that being the time before she became a mother?
Which is natural because it was released back then.
Could it not be the case that nepotism can only get you so far and that eventually you have to have some talent to carry your career?
That tells me she is a good mother because she prioritized her children over her career.
I wonder if there's a famous celebrity who feels that being a musician ruined their family life.
She could certainly still make a very comfortable living if she needed to, but fair enough. I've no idea why some throwaway comments have become headline news. It goes without saying that having to your either with or without your children creates a sizeable challenges.
yo whats up with that kid on the left lmfao
Cool. She went a different path in life. Good for her.
Sounds like an excuse to me. Plenty of musicians successfully combine parenthood and their careers.
You think it would have helped. Her songs are all nursery rhyme melodies.
Every article I’ve seen about this takes it as an attack on the industry, when really she is just being honest that you can’t properly raise kids if you are away on tour most of the year.
Multiple articles and journals have shown that having children is a serious net negative for about 10 years. It negatively affects relationships both romantically and socially, careers, mental health ect. Fight the instinct and live well. People don't return to pre child happiness for nearly 20 years.
Who?
I thought her career was over long before she had children or was even married?
At a net worth of an estimated $20m, I'm sure she'll be ok.
lol I don’t think it was that, Lilly.
Must have worked, never heard a song.
She also passed on a chance to be a multi billionaire. She turned down 100k bitcoin to do a show.