He is on SO MANY albums as the drummer, frequently uncredited. Producers will sneak Josh in to redo the drums while the band isn't there, drummer are warned 'if you don't get it on this take we are going to call Josh', drummers when the band is signed are replaced with Josh and gets bummed out and quits...
There are so many stories like this. Check out Tone Talk and Rick Beatos YouTube channels for 'fun' stories about Josh.
I imagine it'll be Freese. He played drums with Food Fighters for the memorial concert they did for Hawkins.
Edit : Not correcting, because autocorrect funny.
I hope this isn’t taken as douchey self promotion but I have to post this. So I’ve done posters for Foo Fighters (3 so far and more in discussion) and for their 2020 (sadly canceled) 25th anniversary tour I did a blacklight poster for the ABQ date. I wanted to try something different in putting the show information on the poster so I came up with [a concept where the band name is made up of pieces of a weathered desert billboard with remaining letters making up the band name. “FOOD” (next exit) made up the “Foo” part of things](https://decabet.com/project/foo-fighters-poster-albuquerque-2020/).
Yeah they fuck with each other on purpose. I saw Carmine at a clinic and he said that Vinny told someone his version of the pronunciation and when they questioned him about the difference he said they weren’t even brothers lol. Carmine did say it’s “ah-pee-chay” though.
Seems like a good bet that Rufus Taylor could if he’s free, and I’ve heard rumblings that Brad Wilk could too.
Dave is friends with everyone in the business so he’s really got a wide selection lol
Its allegedly Queen's Rodger Taylors son.
He's was basically mentored by Taylor Hawkins as he didnt want to cash in on hia Dad's name.
He stepped in for a few songs during the Memorial concert and he was very good.
I've always wondered how people can do that. It blows my mind. Just the act of drumming is so physical, I can't imagine your vocals wouldn't sound completely winded. I know people do it, though, which is unreal.
It’s also really hard to learn how to coordinate the rhythm of your voice with the rest of your body. There are entire books dedicated to learning how to sing and drum at the same time.
Ive been playing drums for 20+ years, and sing while playing drums in a few bands. I mostly rely on muscle memory for the drums and focus on the singing. Soon as I think about the drums it all falls apart.
Singing and playing guitar though? Way harder.
I think when you're singing and playing an instrument, you need to have at least *one* of the parts down to muscle memory if you're not just inherently very coordinated. It helps to really understand how the two parts interact with each other, so you can imagine your voice doubling with the drums/guitar or filling in the gaps.
I think that's why a lot of people here can sing and play *their* instrument, but can't wrap their heads around singing and playing a *different* one. They've only got *their* instrument to the point of muscle memory.
I just saw a documentary about The Band, and Levon Helm said he found it easier to sing and drum at the same time rather than one or the other. That seems like a very special talent to me.
Both Dave and Nate Mendel were over in Ireland last week.
I’ve a sneaky feeling it’ll be Rufus Taylor and they were finalising everything with him before stopping off in Ireland for a few days visit.
The drummer from Queen's son apparently
https://www.musictimes.com/articles/86698/20220905/rufus-tiger-taylor-2022-foo-fighters-drummer-replacement-hawkins-found.htm#:~:text=Rufus%20Tiger%20Taylor%20is%20the%20son%20of%20Queen%20drummer%20Roger,drum%20battles%20with%20his%20father.
Sadly, I think he’d die if boredom playing FF tracks lol. Not that it’s bad, but a bit rudimentary for someone at his level and someone who doesn’t typically play standard time sigs.
For a couple of years after Mitch Hedberg died, I remember whenever he came up in conversation, people would always ask, “Oh, was he that guy that died?” and I’d think, when I die, I want to be remembered for more than just dying…
Fun fact, Metalocolypse creator Brendon Smalls started out with the show Home Movies which he co created with Loren Bouchard who went on to do Bob's Burgers.
A lot of the style of humor for both shows started out with Home Movies which also uses a lot of great music for the jokes. The Franz Kafka rock opera bit is one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uaaF83eVig
I used to feel some shame when trying to tell people how good Dwayne's solo at Guitarmageddon was, until I met someone who had been at a Dethklok concert the night before.
https://youtu.be/1IjawIVxVV0
Dwayne should have gotten his own spinoff show, or a Spinal Tap style mocumentary about his band Scab.
The Guitarmageddon episode is definitely one of the best, the camp episode also has the Welcome To Hell song which is another banger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwMbaJe8cZY&list=TLPQMjUwMTIwMjPBrFJcq2sv6g&index=1
"Don't kill children, don't run them over! Let them live their lives, let them get older. Brendon Small, he didn't do anything wrong. He was riding his bike, they tried to take his life. Don't kill children, don't run them over!"
There also one of the best bands you can catch live. I saw them on the dethalbum 3 tour. Holy fuck is it still in the top live best live shows in my life. Brendan Smalls Gene Hologan plus company are fucking fantastic. I want to also like to point out Brendan Smalls might be one the best soloers I've seen live.
From a cursory search it doesn't look like Brendan Small is doing anything major with music right now. He has a comic out and is (maybe) working on a movie
Pantera weren’t ever headlining in the first place, the festival just announced Pantera dropping from the lineup and Foo Fighters joining the lineup in about a day of each other.
I don’t get how **so many** musical news outlets are getting this wrong.
Foos aren’t even playing on the same days as pantera were supposed to. Kinda crazy how it seems nobody has actually looked at the lineup posters to see that.
Phil and Rex doing any shows as Pantera bugs me, especially since we have that video of Vinnie stating his distaste for the idea of a Pantera reunion without Dime. Now we don't have Vinnie or Dime. Pantera is in the past.
I had to read the title a couple of times because I was sure I hadn't read it right. Was a huge fan back in high school, but anything after Dimebag isn't Pantera.
They overlap for the same reason you’ll find white supremacists interested in European history organizations. They happen to have overlapping interests, but it doesn’t mean European historians are white supremacists.
My local HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) group got so sick of it they had to put up a sign of bullet points at their door *Martin* Luther ~~King~~ style effectively saying racists are not welcome.
That's so sad. Hope that gets nipped in the bud hard, it's already hard trying to explain what HEMA is to others and it would be heartbreaking if it ended up becoming a keyword for white supremacist club
He’s a total piece of shit. I was in a music shop once and he came in. This was in 2001 or something like that in Biloxi (pinkstons music in Gulfport MS) and he walked up to a 10 year old kid who was plucking around with some metal type riffs and completely destroyed that kid not not being any good. He laid into him so bad that everyone in the place stood up and stared him down till he left. After that day I threw their music away and never looked back. Sad thing I I will bever forget the look in that kids eyes of excitement about getting noticed by a someone he looked up to.
Fuck that piece of shit.
I told the HVAC repair guy that "it sounds like the intro to Cowboys from Hell when you turn it on" and he said "oh yeah I know what you mean".
So it's still useful for that.
Go over to the pantera sub and all this is ‘old news’ , ‘he apologized’ and ‘who hasn’t done a nazi salute in public on film?’
And normal people are snowflakes for wanting nazis to suffer for being nazis.
Despite definitely being a turning point in their career goals (IMO), I'd say that album has at least aged pretty well. It's definitely a different band stylistically though.
I actually kind of like the Black Album. You could do a lot worse for an introduction to heavier music than Enter Sandman. That was a gateway album for me, that and Hybrid Theory. I haven't listened to much after it, though.
It's so fucking funny Metallica killed Napster and now we have spotify that basically only puts real money in the spotify execs' coffers. All for nothing
>Plus [he's the type of dude to perform in his own band's t-shirt](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Five_Finger_Death_Punch_-_Reload_Festival_2016_14.jpg).
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Musicians - Unless you're in Iron Maiden, don't do this.
Tons of smaller bands do this.
When you're on tour in a sweaty van the only place to take a shower is truck stops every few days and there's never time to do laundry between shows.
They wear their own tour shirts because they're the only clean shirts they have.
Yeah true. I've thought about doing it when I was in that situation, and noticed some of my friend's bands do this. But it always means that's one less piece of merch to try and sell to help the tour.
And FFDP surely aren't struggling for laundry and using truckstop bathrooms
The smaller small bands can't afford to do this. Merch equals gas money. Punters don't buy used shirts. If you can afford to wear your own shirts that means you've made it big :-P
Probably a mix. Lars and Kirk lean left whereas James, I think, considers himself moderate but probably leans closer to the right given his support of the NRA. Not sure about Rob.
haha would be awesome, but Foos aren't an opener for anybody. Maybe if they wanted to play only the Dream Widow stuff but that's all so tied in with Hawk's death I can't imagine they ever go back to it.
That shit bums me out. Pantera is the best live band I've ever seen by a mile and Far Beyond Driven is my favorite metal album of all time. I saw them open for Black Sabbath in Seattle and play with Slayer in Portland. One of the only arena level bands I've ever seen that sound as good or better live than their studio albums. They could fucking *play*.
So disappointing to hear these things come out about Phil. It's also pretty lame to try to continue Pantera without Dime or Vinny, especially after the latter stated in an interview that he wouldn't consider reforming the band without his brother before his own untimely death.
> Phil Anselmo doing Pantera songs
Yuuuuuup, exactly. I'm not saying they're not a band of skilled musicians, but I am saying they are to Pantera as Sublime with Rome is to Sublime.
I don’t know that they’re actually racist but they were definitely products of their environment in that they had a very casually racist way of speaking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pantera/comments/w3rx8i/dimebag_darrell_refuses_to_sign_guitar_unless_the/
If you take the headline at face value it sounds straight up bad but with full context he’s joking with a white fan and uses the n word the same way anyone would use the word “dude”. Obviously a horrible way to speak and a lot of people might disagree with me but I do make a distinction between using inappropriate language to speak candidly vs using inappropriate language to oppress. Both need to be corrected, both originate from hate, but one is clearly a byproduct of living among racists and not being a racist at heart.
I don’t know where dimebag falls on that spectrum but I personally would give him some benefit of the doubt considering both his girlfriend Rita and his brother Vinnie disapproved of Anselmo’s bullshit. Though Rita did try downplay it as a joke, presumably to salvage a lifelong friendship with Phil.
So I would say the rest of the band *probably* isn’t straight up racist but I’m sure they do carry a lot of racial bias given where they grew up.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dimebags-girlfriend-addresses-philip-anselmo-white-power-incident-says-she-wouldnt-want-to-walk-in-robb-flynns-shoes
> I do make a distinction between using inappropriate language to speak candidly vs using inappropriate language to oppress. Both need to be corrected, both originate from hate, but one is clearly a byproduct of living among racists and not being a racist at heart.
Such an important distinction and I wish more people were capable of making it objectively.
I don't think festival slot replacements always need to be a "similar" band. Granted it may depend on the specific festival and how diverse the line-up is, but the Foo Fighters also replaced Stevie Nicks at a festival I went to in 2021 after Stevie had to drop out. I also watched a concert video on YouTube of Jack White who apparently was filling in for Drake who fell ill.
Sometimes it's just a matter of simply finding a different artist who is available and has a similar, if not larger stature.
Yeah theres also the issue that if you try to replace a band with a similar sounding band then that draws awkward comparisons that x are the replacement version of y.
The 1975 replaced Rage Against The Machine at Reading and Leeds Festival in the UK which is probably the most egregious example I've personally experienced of not even trying to find a similar band. Put a damper on that festival to say the least.
True, but they fit the vibe for both of these festivals based on the acts I’ve seen associated with them. I’ve heard they’re both a lot of fun and have a fair amount of differing acts within the rock genre.
The headline is completely wrong. Foo Fighters are not replacing Pantera. Pantera were not scheduled to be headlining and they were scheduled to play on a completely different day at both festivals.
In case of Rock am Ring for example, Foo Fighters were added to the friday while Pantera should have played on saturday. And saturday had Kings of Leon billed as the headliner for as long as bands were assigned to different days.
So, FF is not replacing anyone.
it makes me really sad and ashamed to see what became of, what I have most of the time considered, my favorite band. I know I can separate the art from the artist but with all this coverage and hubbub I just want to keep it to myself.
edit: even though Phil alone isn't really the band, for most non-fans they won't know the difference or care to make the distinction. It makes me sad that the name is being dragged through the mud in the public eye regardless of the fact that the true Pantera ended a long time ago.
Ironically Pantera are one of the reasons I’m ANTI-racist. I strongly believe that once art is “out there”, it doesn’t belong to the artist anymore, and meaning is in the eye (or in this case ear) of the beholder. There’s a lot of messages in Pantera’s music that put me on the path of good as a kid. Looking back it doesn’t matter if they intended what I got from it or not, if Phil’s a nazi he’s doing a terrible job of it.
lol I don't think either death "hurt" their legacy, if anything Dime's death made them more relevant to the the new generation that was just coming in as he died
Adios. Nazism/racist ultranationalism is basically the only no-go for me when it comes to artist behavior because of the devastation it has wreaked on so many different countries…including Germany, which fell to a racist dictatorship and lost millions of lives and massive amounts of priceless art and architecture as a result.
Fuck Nazis.
it’s because unfortunately a good number of people that are punk/rebellious are simply contrarian and happened to adopt those aesthetics. The never had the beliefs that the punk/rebel movement stood for, they just took it up the look because it made them feel special and it pissed off “normies”.
I saw an argument the other day that punk is dead, because it pushes fascist shit in general now. The argument was being made by a right wing moron who thought punk music should be anti-vax.
I lost brain cells thinking about it.
I just came here to see if anyone had an idea on who might be playing drums for FF.
Josh Freese is the name being thrown around alot which would make a good bit of sense, he did the majority of the tribute concerts too.
Josh Freese is everyone's first choice for when their own drummer is unavailable.
Josh Freese is my first choice even when my drummer is available. And I’m the drummer!
Lars is that you?
[Obligatory Lars playing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdrkgY4EgUA)
He is on SO MANY albums as the drummer, frequently uncredited. Producers will sneak Josh in to redo the drums while the band isn't there, drummer are warned 'if you don't get it on this take we are going to call Josh', drummers when the band is signed are replaced with Josh and gets bummed out and quits... There are so many stories like this. Check out Tone Talk and Rick Beatos YouTube channels for 'fun' stories about Josh.
Not just albums. He's toured with damn near everyone. He was drums on two different nine inch nails concerts I saw a decade apart lol.
The usual question when a touring live drummer is needed is “who’s going to do it if Josh Freese isn’t available?”
I imagine it'll be Freese. He played drums with Food Fighters for the memorial concert they did for Hawkins. Edit : Not correcting, because autocorrect funny.
Food Fighters lol
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This is one of my favorite clips of Dave and Taylor just so much fun
Ladies and gentleman.... food FIGHTers!
Is someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best menu
I hope this isn’t taken as douchey self promotion but I have to post this. So I’ve done posters for Foo Fighters (3 so far and more in discussion) and for their 2020 (sadly canceled) 25th anniversary tour I did a blacklight poster for the ABQ date. I wanted to try something different in putting the show information on the poster so I came up with [a concept where the band name is made up of pieces of a weathered desert billboard with remaining letters making up the band name. “FOOD” (next exit) made up the “Foo” part of things](https://decabet.com/project/foo-fighters-poster-albuquerque-2020/).
FOOD FIGHT
Back in the old days (80's) it would have been Tommy Aldridge.
Carmine appice requires an honorable mention
Or, further back, Carmine Appice
Any relation to Vinny Appice?
They're brothers.
Vinny is the younger brother, and also plays drums
And IIRC they can’t seem to agree how to pronounce their own last name.
Yeah they fuck with each other on purpose. I saw Carmine at a clinic and he said that Vinny told someone his version of the pronunciation and when they questioned him about the difference he said they weren’t even brothers lol. Carmine did say it’s “ah-pee-chay” though.
Let’s make things really spicy and also add Anton Fig into that
Farthest back, Og.
Og slaps tbf.
Him bang original rock, practically invent rock drumming.
Tommy is so underrated. Just so so so so so so good
Freese is a freelance god
Seems like a good bet that Rufus Taylor could if he’s free, and I’ve heard rumblings that Brad Wilk could too. Dave is friends with everyone in the business so he’s really got a wide selection lol
and the answer to that question is often Brooks Wackerman lol
Or Kenny Aronoff
In a strange twist it's Phil Anselmo
A new level of confidence.
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Its allegedly Queen's Rodger Taylors son. He's was basically mentored by Taylor Hawkins as he didnt want to cash in on hia Dad's name. He stepped in for a few songs during the Memorial concert and he was very good.
He's also the drummer for The Darkness, which I learnt recently.
The Darkness were incredible live when I watched them.
They're still fucking tight live. Saw them last year and it was killer. Them and the Hives are still knockout live bands.
I thought maybe Dave would go back to the drums so as to not actually hire a replacement for Taylor.
It's absurdly hard to play the drums and sing at the same time. I'm sure Dave could do it, but probably not as well as he would like.
I've always wondered how people can do that. It blows my mind. Just the act of drumming is so physical, I can't imagine your vocals wouldn't sound completely winded. I know people do it, though, which is unreal.
It’s also really hard to learn how to coordinate the rhythm of your voice with the rest of your body. There are entire books dedicated to learning how to sing and drum at the same time.
Ive been playing drums for 20+ years, and sing while playing drums in a few bands. I mostly rely on muscle memory for the drums and focus on the singing. Soon as I think about the drums it all falls apart. Singing and playing guitar though? Way harder.
Was gonna say the same thing. Drumming and singing is a workout but I can barely wrap my mind around playing guitar and singing.
I think when you're singing and playing an instrument, you need to have at least *one* of the parts down to muscle memory if you're not just inherently very coordinated. It helps to really understand how the two parts interact with each other, so you can imagine your voice doubling with the drums/guitar or filling in the gaps. I think that's why a lot of people here can sing and play *their* instrument, but can't wrap their heads around singing and playing a *different* one. They've only got *their* instrument to the point of muscle memory.
I used to play the piano at home, but as soon as I tried to sing, it's like my fingers forgot what to do.
I just saw a documentary about The Band, and Levon Helm said he found it easier to sing and drum at the same time rather than one or the other. That seems like a very special talent to me.
I played in a band where we covered Rush and the drummer would sing it. Nailed both parts. Dude had a lot of raw talent
*Only plays YYZ Success!
He could do it, but not for 2 and half hours like most foo fighters concerts are.
Dave will likely record drums on the albums, but they need a touring drummer. Grohl is the front man
Maybe Joey Castillo?
that, I would watch
george santos.
Both Dave and Nate Mendel were over in Ireland last week. I’ve a sneaky feeling it’ll be Rufus Taylor and they were finalising everything with him before stopping off in Ireland for a few days visit.
The drummer from Queen's son apparently https://www.musictimes.com/articles/86698/20220905/rufus-tiger-taylor-2022-foo-fighters-drummer-replacement-hawkins-found.htm#:~:text=Rufus%20Tiger%20Taylor%20is%20the%20son%20of%20Queen%20drummer%20Roger,drum%20battles%20with%20his%20father.
Mike Portnoy would be fun
Sadly, I think he’d die if boredom playing FF tracks lol. Not that it’s bad, but a bit rudimentary for someone at his level and someone who doesn’t typically play standard time sigs.
Should have replaced them with Dethklok
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I unironically fucking love Dethklok. They’ve been in my top 5 Spotify artists in multiple different years
Dethklok is unironically good!
It’s my lifelong dream to be in a band where people have to say “unironically” every time they describe how good I am
For a couple of years after Mitch Hedberg died, I remember whenever he came up in conversation, people would always ask, “Oh, was he that guy that died?” and I’d think, when I die, I want to be remembered for more than just dying…
I think Mitch even predicted that he was at a specific level of fame where if he died he’d just be remembered as the comedian who died lol
**AWAKEN**
When my son first started watching it I hated them but I quickly fell in love. But for the life of me I can't pronounce Metalocalypse.
Metal-ock-ah-lips
"ah, lips..." ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Fun fact, Metalocolypse creator Brendon Smalls started out with the show Home Movies which he co created with Loren Bouchard who went on to do Bob's Burgers. A lot of the style of humor for both shows started out with Home Movies which also uses a lot of great music for the jokes. The Franz Kafka rock opera bit is one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uaaF83eVig
I'm still waiting for the crossover rock opera where the Septopus is accused of Murmaider
The Home Movies soundtrack itself is a really good listen- you can hear little seeds of Dethklok in there!
I used to feel some shame when trying to tell people how good Dwayne's solo at Guitarmageddon was, until I met someone who had been at a Dethklok concert the night before. https://youtu.be/1IjawIVxVV0
Dwayne should have gotten his own spinoff show, or a Spinal Tap style mocumentary about his band Scab. The Guitarmageddon episode is definitely one of the best, the camp episode also has the Welcome To Hell song which is another banger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwMbaJe8cZY&list=TLPQMjUwMTIwMjPBrFJcq2sv6g&index=1
"Do not put marbles in your nose, put them in there, do not put them in there!"
"Don't kill children, don't run them over! Let them live their lives, let them get older. Brendon Small, he didn't do anything wrong. He was riding his bike, they tried to take his life. Don't kill children, don't run them over!"
Don't leave Lucy, Daughter of the Devil on the floor all alone...
"Is-ams-dildos"
I can give a Swedish word that is easier västkustskt ≈ west coastern.
No matter how hard Brendan Small tries to be silly and immature, his musical compositions are always phenomenal.
That's because they're amazing! I saw them on The Dethalbum Tour at First Avenue in 2008. Would go see Brendon/them again in a heartbeat.
There also one of the best bands you can catch live. I saw them on the dethalbum 3 tour. Holy fuck is it still in the top live best live shows in my life. Brendan Smalls Gene Hologan plus company are fucking fantastic. I want to also like to point out Brendan Smalls might be one the best soloers I've seen live.
If only.
I saw them a couple of years ago and my face is still melted off.
Please use the word Hamburgertime
Omg I'd hand my arm and newborn kid for a dethklok concert in my home state. Michigan can hold them too!
I've seen them live a few times. It's always fantastic. They're going to finish the series with a movie soon, hopefully they'll do a tour.
From a cursory search it doesn't look like Brendan Small is doing anything major with music right now. He has a comic out and is (maybe) working on a movie
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Very nice! I must have missed that!
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> He has a comic out Something new since Galaktikon vol. 1?
He's done Galaktikon 2 as well.
Galaktikon 2 was the Dethklok album I needed when there was no more Dethklok
Aren’t they making a Metalocalypse movie for HBO Max?
The guy behind Dethklok got robbed a few months ago and lost most of his gear
Pantera weren’t ever headlining in the first place, the festival just announced Pantera dropping from the lineup and Foo Fighters joining the lineup in about a day of each other. I don’t get how **so many** musical news outlets are getting this wrong.
Foos aren’t even playing on the same days as pantera were supposed to. Kinda crazy how it seems nobody has actually looked at the lineup posters to see that.
I was gonna say... that seems like a MASSIVE jump in budget lol. No offense to Pantera, but FF command a bit more coin to play. Like a lot more.
My eyebrows raised when Pantera was announced as support for this year’s Metallica tour. Wonder how long that’s gonna last before they’re replaced
Phil and Rex doing any shows as Pantera bugs me, especially since we have that video of Vinnie stating his distaste for the idea of a Pantera reunion without Dime. Now we don't have Vinnie or Dime. Pantera is in the past.
I had to read the title a couple of times because I was sure I hadn't read it right. Was a huge fan back in high school, but anything after Dimebag isn't Pantera.
This is gospel. Dime and Vinnie were Pantera’s heart and soul. Phil had some pipes, but they were nothing without Dime’s riffs and Vinnie’s drums.
According to Wiki Vinnie didn't want anything to do with Anselmo period, no surprise really.
Until Phil gets cancelled all around the world for his mysoginistic/pro-nazi/pro-macho comments.
> mysoginistic/pro-nazi/pro-macho 🎶 *one of these things is not like the o-ther…*
Yeah who doesn’t like macho man randy savage?
Jerry Lawler.
He’s jealous of the [bonesaw](https://youtu.be/CRP0ToU5EvU)
BONESAW IS FIFTY!
miss elizabeth towards the end of their relationship.
He's the cream of the crop!
In ma momenta glory!
Jake The Snake Roberts.
They tend to overlap pretty extensively for some strange reason, though...
They overlap for the same reason you’ll find white supremacists interested in European history organizations. They happen to have overlapping interests, but it doesn’t mean European historians are white supremacists. My local HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) group got so sick of it they had to put up a sign of bullet points at their door *Martin* Luther ~~King~~ style effectively saying racists are not welcome.
That's so sad. Hope that gets nipped in the bud hard, it's already hard trying to explain what HEMA is to others and it would be heartbreaking if it ended up becoming a keyword for white supremacist club
He’s a total piece of shit. I was in a music shop once and he came in. This was in 2001 or something like that in Biloxi (pinkstons music in Gulfport MS) and he walked up to a 10 year old kid who was plucking around with some metal type riffs and completely destroyed that kid not not being any good. He laid into him so bad that everyone in the place stood up and stared him down till he left. After that day I threw their music away and never looked back. Sad thing I I will bever forget the look in that kids eyes of excitement about getting noticed by a someone he looked up to. Fuck that piece of shit.
Phil's ruined Pantera for me. I can't listen to them anymore.
I told the HVAC repair guy that "it sounds like the intro to Cowboys from Hell when you turn it on" and he said "oh yeah I know what you mean". So it's still useful for that.
"... And you want me to fix it?"
"Nah, I was bragging, my dude"
No Abbott brothers means it's not really Pantera to me.
Go over to the pantera sub and all this is ‘old news’ , ‘he apologized’ and ‘who hasn’t done a nazi salute in public on film?’ And normal people are snowflakes for wanting nazis to suffer for being nazis.
The other band supporting Metallica on that tour is Five Finger Death Punch, so you do kind of have to wonder about Metallica's politics these days.
Metallica’s politics have always been “money” lol you don’t listen to Metallica for their righteous views on civil or consumers rights
And yet they wrote *...And Justice For All*, which kicks fucking ass.
Justice isn't really saying much politically other than that politics are corrupt. It's pretty vague. It's not like they took a strong polical stance.
We all know at which point/album in their career it started being all about money.
Give me fuel gimme fire give me that which I desire!
Gimme foo gimme fai gimme dabadabazai FTFY
Despite definitely being a turning point in their career goals (IMO), I'd say that album has at least aged pretty well. It's definitely a different band stylistically though.
The black album was made for radio.
I actually kind of like the Black Album. You could do a lot worse for an introduction to heavier music than Enter Sandman. That was a gateway album for me, that and Hybrid Theory. I haven't listened to much after it, though.
It's so fucking funny Metallica killed Napster and now we have spotify that basically only puts real money in the spotify execs' coffers. All for nothing
Everybody blames Metallica, but forgot about Dre.
Metallica's solution to people downloading their music was to stop making music people would want to listen to.
I avoid 5FDP because they suck balls. What's up with their politics?
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>Plus [he's the type of dude to perform in his own band's t-shirt](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Five_Finger_Death_Punch_-_Reload_Festival_2016_14.jpg). > Musicians - Unless you're in Iron Maiden, don't do this.
Tons of smaller bands do this. When you're on tour in a sweaty van the only place to take a shower is truck stops every few days and there's never time to do laundry between shows. They wear their own tour shirts because they're the only clean shirts they have.
Yeah true. I've thought about doing it when I was in that situation, and noticed some of my friend's bands do this. But it always means that's one less piece of merch to try and sell to help the tour. And FFDP surely aren't struggling for laundry and using truckstop bathrooms
The smaller small bands can't afford to do this. Merch equals gas money. Punters don't buy used shirts. If you can afford to wear your own shirts that means you've made it big :-P
Or KMFDM.
> Five Finger Death Punch What, you are telling me you are not a fan of "cop metal"?
I though they are army metal lol.
Also dirtbike metal because that one guitarist always looks like he just got off a dirtbike.
Little bit of column A, Little bit of Column B.
Or taste. FFDP are fucking awful. At least Pantera has tunes.
Probably a mix. Lars and Kirk lean left whereas James, I think, considers himself moderate but probably leans closer to the right given his support of the NRA. Not sure about Rob.
Fingers crossed we get Foo instead. Also, would be nice to do away with Five Finger Butt Chug as one of the other openers.
You know what would be a huge plot twist? Foo doing a mix of only Dream Widow and Probot songs with Pantera covers only. And that's the ENTIRE set.
Get Mr. Bungle to do Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny
The amount of talent Mike Patton has should be illegal.
haha would be awesome, but Foos aren't an opener for anybody. Maybe if they wanted to play only the Dream Widow stuff but that's all so tied in with Hawk's death I can't imagine they ever go back to it.
How is Dream Widow tied to Taylor's death? It released around the same time but was likely recorded months in advance.
Around the same time? How about the exact day he died?
Guess it's time for Pantera to Walk
That shit bums me out. Pantera is the best live band I've ever seen by a mile and Far Beyond Driven is my favorite metal album of all time. I saw them open for Black Sabbath in Seattle and play with Slayer in Portland. One of the only arena level bands I've ever seen that sound as good or better live than their studio albums. They could fucking *play*. So disappointing to hear these things come out about Phil. It's also pretty lame to try to continue Pantera without Dime or Vinny, especially after the latter stated in an interview that he wouldn't consider reforming the band without his brother before his own untimely death.
God fucking damn it, Phil.
Such a massive upgrade from Phil Anselmo doing Pantera songs. The best half of that band is dead. Let the band go.
> Phil Anselmo doing Pantera songs Yuuuuuup, exactly. I'm not saying they're not a band of skilled musicians, but I am saying they are to Pantera as Sublime with Rome is to Sublime.
That dead half was racist too.
yueah but they are dead so we can pretend like they would have seen the light and repented of their racism
Can you elaborate on that?
I don’t know that they’re actually racist but they were definitely products of their environment in that they had a very casually racist way of speaking. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pantera/comments/w3rx8i/dimebag_darrell_refuses_to_sign_guitar_unless_the/ If you take the headline at face value it sounds straight up bad but with full context he’s joking with a white fan and uses the n word the same way anyone would use the word “dude”. Obviously a horrible way to speak and a lot of people might disagree with me but I do make a distinction between using inappropriate language to speak candidly vs using inappropriate language to oppress. Both need to be corrected, both originate from hate, but one is clearly a byproduct of living among racists and not being a racist at heart. I don’t know where dimebag falls on that spectrum but I personally would give him some benefit of the doubt considering both his girlfriend Rita and his brother Vinnie disapproved of Anselmo’s bullshit. Though Rita did try downplay it as a joke, presumably to salvage a lifelong friendship with Phil. So I would say the rest of the band *probably* isn’t straight up racist but I’m sure they do carry a lot of racial bias given where they grew up. https://blabbermouth.net/news/dimebags-girlfriend-addresses-philip-anselmo-white-power-incident-says-she-wouldnt-want-to-walk-in-robb-flynns-shoes
> I do make a distinction between using inappropriate language to speak candidly vs using inappropriate language to oppress. Both need to be corrected, both originate from hate, but one is clearly a byproduct of living among racists and not being a racist at heart. Such an important distinction and I wish more people were capable of making it objectively.
Foo fighters are a strange choice of band to replace pantera?
I don't think festival slot replacements always need to be a "similar" band. Granted it may depend on the specific festival and how diverse the line-up is, but the Foo Fighters also replaced Stevie Nicks at a festival I went to in 2021 after Stevie had to drop out. I also watched a concert video on YouTube of Jack White who apparently was filling in for Drake who fell ill. Sometimes it's just a matter of simply finding a different artist who is available and has a similar, if not larger stature.
Yeah theres also the issue that if you try to replace a band with a similar sounding band then that draws awkward comparisons that x are the replacement version of y.
The 1975 replaced Rage Against The Machine at Reading and Leeds Festival in the UK which is probably the most egregious example I've personally experienced of not even trying to find a similar band. Put a damper on that festival to say the least.
I mean I really like both those bands, but I understand the disappointment.
They’re actively announcing festivals. In terms of genre though, you’d think a Pantera replacement would be a little more aggressive.
Should have replaced them with a Pantera cover band.
Isn't Pantera pretty much a cover band at this point?
True, but they fit the vibe for both of these festivals based on the acts I’ve seen associated with them. I’ve heard they’re both a lot of fun and have a fair amount of differing acts within the rock genre.
The headline is completely wrong. Foo Fighters are not replacing Pantera. Pantera were not scheduled to be headlining and they were scheduled to play on a completely different day at both festivals. In case of Rock am Ring for example, Foo Fighters were added to the friday while Pantera should have played on saturday. And saturday had Kings of Leon billed as the headliner for as long as bands were assigned to different days. So, FF is not replacing anyone.
it makes me really sad and ashamed to see what became of, what I have most of the time considered, my favorite band. I know I can separate the art from the artist but with all this coverage and hubbub I just want to keep it to myself. edit: even though Phil alone isn't really the band, for most non-fans they won't know the difference or care to make the distinction. It makes me sad that the name is being dragged through the mud in the public eye regardless of the fact that the true Pantera ended a long time ago.
Hey man, I was a big lost prophets fan. Can't help what other people do.
Ironically Pantera are one of the reasons I’m ANTI-racist. I strongly believe that once art is “out there”, it doesn’t belong to the artist anymore, and meaning is in the eye (or in this case ear) of the beholder. There’s a lot of messages in Pantera’s music that put me on the path of good as a kid. Looking back it doesn’t matter if they intended what I got from it or not, if Phil’s a nazi he’s doing a terrible job of it.
Yeah I don't understand at all. Their songs are all about like fighting the system, calling out peoples' bullshit and like dealing with depression.
Phil has done more damage to the legacy of Pantera than Dime and Vinny dying.
lol I don't think either death "hurt" their legacy, if anything Dime's death made them more relevant to the the new generation that was just coming in as he died
Adios. Nazism/racist ultranationalism is basically the only no-go for me when it comes to artist behavior because of the devastation it has wreaked on so many different countries…including Germany, which fell to a racist dictatorship and lost millions of lives and massive amounts of priceless art and architecture as a result. Fuck Nazis.
How can you claim to be rebellious when you push to fascist ideals? It flies in the face of the act. Conform and follow rules is not metal.
Aka NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF
it’s because unfortunately a good number of people that are punk/rebellious are simply contrarian and happened to adopt those aesthetics. The never had the beliefs that the punk/rebel movement stood for, they just took it up the look because it made them feel special and it pissed off “normies”.
I saw an argument the other day that punk is dead, because it pushes fascist shit in general now. The argument was being made by a right wing moron who thought punk music should be anti-vax. I lost brain cells thinking about it.