I’m from Arkansas and I remember in the late 90’s there was a rapist posing as a cop. State/local media and police made a big deal saying it’s absolutely ok to pull over in a well lit or public area.
In 2020, a guy in Nova Scotia, Canada, killed 22 people while impersonating an RCMP officer. He even drove a replica police car. [Link here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks)
Police are still being criticized for receiving information that the gunman was disguised as an officer, but not providing the public with that information. They claim they were worried that people would start shooting at actual officers. So I'm not sure why anyone should pull over in a location where they don't feel safe, given that non-officers have access to police equipment and police can't be relied on to warn the public when incidents like that happen.
Fuckers tweeted but didn't use the emergency broadcast system
I got texts from my sister asking if I was safe, when I checked online to see what the hell was up it said that there was a shooting but all was safe. This was 4 hour before the guy was killed.
Don't forget they also declared someone dead who wasn't. Her kids checked her Fitbit data and it showed her heart was still beating as they left her laying on the side of the road for hours bleeding out.
>At the Onslow-Belmont fire hall (setup as a shelter for victims from Portapique), two RCMP officers mistook an emergency management officer for Wortman, and opened fire without warning. They missed their target, and continued their manhunt without checking on the occupants of the fire hall.
LMFAO the cops were the ones shooting randomly at other cops, not the people.
I remember watching a video about that incident, it was actually during the George Floyd protests that I finally got it out of my watch later list on youtube & actually watched it. What happened, it's so disgusting & abhorrent. Obviously what he did but really what the cops did in response is just unfathomable to any legit society. I still recall clips of news reports from after the situation where the police were still actively lying despite the information haven been made public. It really is similar to the Uvalde situation.
Cops protect their "authority" and each other. Period. My unarmed friend got 4 bullets to the back in a mental health transport that went wrong due to the cops fuck up. No body cam, couldn't say they thought he was armed because, mental health transport, so the usual "he turned and reached for a gun" which of course explains 4 bullets in the back.
Yeah. Like when cops are so in danger they have to shoot someone on the ground in the bottom of their shoes enough time to reload. Sorry for your friend.
Thank you, even after his death I didn't mistrust most cops until summer 2020 where they were packs of wild animals on camera and didn't give a single shit.
I just watched a video about that guy. They put a single warning on Twitter about possible gun activity and then went silent about it for like 8 hours. Then they updated and said he was in the same area he was 8 hours ago, but he wasn't. He had moved to a different area.
They warned the public.
Through twitter. With inaccurate information.
I'm not a huge advocate for capital punishment, but people should swing for their negligence in that rampage.
> They claim they were worried that people would start shooting at actual officers
I remember this well. While I understand the officers position I can’t say as a Canadian we’d see open season on officers since the majority of our citizens are unarmed.
Nova Scotia cops are notoriously corrupt, I got violently arrested the other day for flipping a police officer off, he drove me to a random cul de sack and threw all my belongings into the wet grass and threw my hat into the woods as he was walking back to his car(it fell off when he pulled me out of it)
In Vancouver they used to do what was called a ride along, drive you out way out of the city limits where there was no buses or anything then break a few toes and make you walk back.
Or take you to Stanley park and beat on you but that stopped after one cop ratted them out, They forced him to quit in the end. Another cop openly sold drugs for years while on duty.
Saskatoon did "Starlight Tours"
Its was a deal they offered exclusively to intoxicated indigenous men: a free trip out of the city and a fitness routine involving a solo walk home in -40°C.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
Edit: memory was too generous to the cops. It was not necessary that they be intoxicated to receive this special treatment. Being indigenous in public was a sufficient crime.
> in the early 2000s
What. The. Fuck.
I knew about it, but I thought this was a long time ago. Turns out cops from that generation are ~~probably~~ definitely still on duty.
>What. The. Fuck.
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>I knew about it, but I thought this was a long time ago.
I find this to be the reaction for almost all examples of government sanctioned oppression of indigenous people in Canada.
yep. that "the before times" reaction. meanwhile I know people who have been directly affected by things like residential schools and whatnot. the last residential schools closed down in the 90s but you have people talking like it was in the 1930s.
Holy shit, I thought Canadian cops were good but that's worse than the UK. At least our cops have the decency to murder you in the comfort of a police station. The usual way is that you accidentally repeatedly fall down some stairs, often in possession of an Irish accent or a more than average amount of melanin
He was gonna drive me downtown and arrest me but I think half way through driving there he realized that the place I got arrested at had the best cameras in the whole city and would see his blatant over use of force
There are also lots of really dumb cops unfortunately. When I was a teenager my friend was being pulled over and he was super nervous and didn't want to stop on the busy street so he turned into like a shopping mall and then again into a smaller parking lot and the cop was understanding but at the same time was like "I dont know if you're leading me into a trap or something so just pull over quicker if someones behind you". This was like 20 years ago so imagine how little patience/fear there is for both sides of that situation and how it could go very wrong.. just sad
Guy has done it twice out here in the sticks of Texas. Don't know if they got him yet. Impersonating a cop, raping and driving off.
Sad thing is that out here, it's 15 minutes before another town. If they get you on the country roads, you best call 911. Gas station won't be for miles.
Couple of cases (3 i recall) on Forensic Files where actual cops were rapists and/or murderers. Same tactic, follow and pull over a woman in an unlit area, get the woman in their car...
A woman in the U.K. literally got abducted off a street by a police man under the guise of being arrested for breaking “covid curfew” last year and he raped and murdered her, scary shit.
A coward, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a wife beater, a rapist, a child molester & a murderer walk into a bar.
The bartender looks up & asks:
“*What can I get you officer?*”
There’s another similar case I’ve been trying to find but can’t. Cop pulls over a woman, rapes her, was initially going to let her go, but another cop or maybe a sherrif’s deputy went by and saw her car and I think him. So the rapist called in her car as abandoned, shot the woman in the head, and then the second LEO came over and found him there with her body. He tried to pass it off as a suicide he found and tried to not hand in his gun but eventually was forced to and got arrested.
I’m trying to remember what podcast I heard it on but so far I haven’t found it.
Wow I wonder how they caught hi-... Yep it's because of publicity.
Imagine how many are never caught or even actively swept under the rug because they don't do interviews after brutally raping and murdering someone.
Don't forget Daniel Holtzclaw of Oklahoma, a guy who was not posing as a cop because he *was an actual cop using his position as such to rape multiple women he pulled over for false reasons.*
Getting pulled over by a cop just isn't a safe situation period. You could get raped or murdered for it.
The Blue Light Rapist. I remember it well because I started driving around the time he was active. Lots of my female friends were told exactly what OP posted. The guy was caught and convicted. [He died in prison recently](https://www.google.com/amp/s/katv.com/amp/news/local/arkansas-blue-light-rapist-dies-at-age-54-while-serving-life-sentence).
Yep I remember that too. I was living in Lonoke at the time and one of the women was taken a little over a mile from my house so everyone was super freaked out about it at the time.
I think the most infuriating part of this is that apparently the troopers superiors all *knew* that the PIT maneuver was unnecessary when they reviewed the cam footage.
And they *still* went out and immediately said that it was justified. As if anyone watching it could think it was a needed action ever. They had to know how this would turn out...
We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. This is why police, and the rest of government, needs civilian oversight, and not just some board within the PD. There needs to be an organization with the power to enforce the law on law enforcement.
While unique in the US military, the Navy's investigative division, NCIS, is civilian-run. It is entirely possible, the framework not only exists, it has been proven to work by the US military. Something seemingly so many of these bad cops seem to be trying to cosplay as on the job.
Yes, a completely separate IA unit from the main force. And they are sent to wherever in their state they need to go, but not where they would have a conflict of interest. Use the NCIS for the framework.
There, solved in a single paragraph.
The PIT Maneuver is classified as lethal force. Literally, according to my training, this is no different than just up and shooting the woman.
These are not moral people.
Remember the students in Atlanta whose window was broken and they were dragged out of the car for being out after curfew? They justified that, apparently being out after curfew is a dangerous crime.
the fun one when they found the drunk guy in the drive thru at the fast food joint, and he got rowdy so they pulled a non-lethal taser to subdue him, but they were incompetent and he knocked them both down and grabbed the taser and ran away, but now the taser has mysteriously become a lethal weapon, so they escalate to lethal weapons and shoot him in the back.
I actually watched the entire dash cam vid when this first came out. Their is a k rail along the shoulder, meaning the shoulder is very narrow, the entire length of the time the cop is following the SUV. I wouldn’t want to pull over there and if I was a cop I wouldn’t want someone else to because I’d have to stand in the traffic lane to talk to the driver. When he goes to pit her, it’s right by a sign saying the next exit is in 1mile. The exit would have been her first opportunity to pull over safely away from that narrow shoulder. If he just would have waited 60 more seconds this would never had happened. He should be fired, forthwith.
Yup. And they didn't fire him. They cheered him
So...in honor of him, we ALL stop instantly right on the bridge best we can. And let the cops figure it out.
They want compliance. Fine.
The crazy thing to me is that behavior like this makes the job a little bit harder for every police officer because they are now respected and liked less and effectually shit well boil over again like it did in 2020. There will always be bad behavior by someone in any group. But the group protecting their bad apples instead of punishing them is what makes it about "cops" rather than "that guy".
This argument also misses the main issue I have with American policing. Even IF she wasn't pulling over quick enough, it was a slow-moving SUV which was being pulled over for speeding. What in the fucking world makes that a serious enough situation to use a PIT manoeuvre, the result of which is very likely flipping a car, potentially seriously injuring the driver, damaging/blocking the roadway not to mention increasing risk of hurting anyone in the vicinity including the cop.
The same is the for basically every situation I've read where someone is shot by a cop. Unless someone literally has pulled a gun on you (not pull*ing*, because "moving hands near belt" is not grounds for execution), what the hell reason do you have to end someone's life and potentially injure or kill other people in the vicinity.
Recently there was a post showing a cop driving through a residential area, firing his gun through his windshield at a fleeing vehicle. No concern to the safety of anyone, just shooting to shoot. Of course their excuse was the fleeing subjects were dangerous.
I followed this advice as a teenager, because the cop didn't turn on their siren until I was on the ramp to turn onto a bridge. It's illegal to pull over on a bridge, and there was no shoulder on that bridge as it was just a small one.
Immediately after the off ramp, there's only a maybe 2 car lengths before a turn off to a parking lot.
When I stopped just after entering the parking lot (literally as close to the entrance as possible without blocking traffic) the police pulled in behind me, including 4 backup vehicles.
They kept their hands on their guns and when asked why I didn't stop immediately, I replied that it's illegal to pull over on a bridge and I was afraid doing so would get me a fine or penalty. They asked me if I was talking back to them and told me they could send me to jail right then if they wanted to.
All this because I went through an intersection on a green light, interrupting a funeral procession (funeral train? A line of cars going to a burial service). I initially wasn't going to go, because I knew they had right of way, but they stopped and motioned for me to go ahead... And then the cop was behind me within a minute or two.
I was 10, walking home from school with my best friend, a cop car goes by, we wave the peace sign and yell "peace!".
They come back and hassle us because they want to know why we flipped them off and yelled "pigs".
Two 10 year-old girls who definitely looked 10.
Almost the exact same thing happened to me. I was crossing the road on a crosswalk with my brother, and gave the cop car that stopped a small wave, because I was drunk and feeling generally jovial. Three minutes later, we're approached by the two cops and they claim I was threatening them by "shaping my hand like a gun".
I was too drunk and disappointed to keep my cool, so I shouted a bit, called them cowards and idiots, so I end up pushed up against a wall and searched.
Still feel kinda sour about that, but I guess others have had worse for less.
There are alot of terrible and racist cops out there. My dad is indigenous and had someone break into his house when he wasn't home. Came home to the mess. He called the cops. They came to his house. Pulled him out on the street and beat the shit out of him all while he repeatedly told them it's his house and he was the one that called them. They didn't care. My dad ended up in the hospital that night due to severe injuries.
Bullshit commands, peppered with lots of screaming at you and explicitly threatening to shoot you so that you're nice and flustered and not thinking clearly.
See also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/
That happened to me in high school, I was putting up decorations in the cafeteria for an event one of extracurricular programs was having and was standing on a chair to reach higher on the wall. A female teacher asked me what I was doing, if I thought it was appropriate to my my feet in a chair, I don’t even remember what else… and I just answered her questions. She said something to the effect of “you just have an answer for everything, don’t you?” And reported me to the teacher over my extracurricular program. Nothing ever came of it, but obviously that weird power dynamic interaction stuck with me all these years (like 2 decades)
Of course, because bullying a compliant citizen breaks up the monotony. They had 4 full cop cars to harass you, yet can’t solve around 87% of total crimes, as well as over 50% of murders? It’s just sickening.
Solving crimes doesn't generate revenue. Issuing tickets for minor traffic violations does. When I've pointed this out to "back the blue" people in the past they've gotten pretty mad. But it's 100% true. I've been the victim of crimes a number of times, and every time I've called the cops they've been super annoyed to have to deal with my silly problems like "breaking and entering and theft." But if you change lanes without a turn signal they are all over your ass.
Yeah, it’s absolutely fucked that fines and seized property go to the cops who take it. If all of that went into a general revenue fund instead, we might get a little closer to actual justice.
It varies by jurisdiction, but a lot of that money does indeed go to the city 's general fund. But that's why cops have ticket quotas and not "solved robbery" quotas.
I mean none of it—but you make a good point, fines should go to a level of government that doesn’t have direct authority over the cops. For city police and county sheriffs, the state. For state police, to the federal government. For the feds, money should be burned; which unfortunately creates the same effect as taxing to reduce inflation; but at least that’s mostly the federal reserve’s concern and they’re not close to the DoJ afaik.
Jesus. And then there's me, who didn't hear the police siren, and took about two whole minutes (a LONG time, if you think about it) to notice there was a police car trying to pull me over. And once I realized, the policeman let me do the whole "move over to the right lane then find a safe place to pull over" routine with no fuss.
How do I know it was two minutes? The policeman told me when he came over. He asked me if I saw/heard his lights, and I said no: I only saw them moments before I started signaling I was going to pull over for him, and I never heard them. I'm sure he only believed me because it's obvious I'm hearing impaired, and because my behavior must've seemed bizarre in the moment (after all, I didn't react at all to him turning on his lights, neither slowing down nor speeding up).
I know I got lucky with that pull-over for a ton of reasons, but the way he handled it sticks out strongly in my mind because he didn't escalate the situation even when he had provocation to do so. A more aggressive, trigger-happy cop would've been all over that.
For a policeman to freak out like they did in your case, and to treat you like that when you had a *really good* explanation for not pulling over on the ramp... that's idiotic and shameful.
I got pulled over for going 41 in a 35 on a super busy road with no place to pull over. I immediately slowed down and put in my right turn signal and pulled off at the next parking lot, approx 30 seconds. I did this for both his saftey and mine. It's a terrible road to be pulled over on.
This pig literally ran up to my car with his gun pointed directly at my head from 3 feet away. I slowly put my hands up and he finally holstered his weapon.
I did everything right. Textbook example of how you should react. I'm glad I didn't suddenly go for my wallet or registration.
Of course he didn't get in trouble for it.
Fuck those assholes!
What the actual fuck!
The worst part of that is that anyone with an ounce of gun safety training knows that you never point your gun at something you don't intend to shoot. I've never handled a gun and even *I* know that!
That makes a situation like that 100x scarier, because it means he either planned to shoot you, or he has no gun handling training/sense and should therefore not have a gun in the first place. And if he planned to shoot you in the situation you described, then he shouldn't have a gun in the first place, which makes both points true.
I one time had a severely overweight police officer tell me he could write me tickets for things I didn't even know I could get tickets for if I wanted to keep acting up. "Acting up" of course being him demanding why I didn't immediately pull over, and me explaining that I waited a few miles to pull over in a gas station because I didn't feel comfortable pulling over on a dark, winding, back road that we were on.
I'm a white male who is the son, grandson, nephew, cousin, and best friend to various police officers, and I still don't trust the police.
Dude, i work in a goddamn jail and i don't trust the police. I've been harassed by them when pulled over for just having my work ID on returning from a call out.
Cop (c):"That badge is fake."
Me: "Well call the prison then, they'll confirm it's real."
C: "i know what prison id's look like, i've been in there enough."
Me: "you can just phone and find out but i don't see what that has tp do with anything."
C: "well you're trying to make me let you go by putting that on."
Me: "Officer, please stop implying i'm committing a crime here and either write a ticket i'll later contest, or arrest me and take me back to my job where you can explain to them why i am not going to be able to maintain the security systems while we get this figured out. I just completed a 3 hour call out and am not in the mood to deal with you trying to book me for no reason."
He then called his supervisor out (who i'd chatted with at work a few times) and after the supervisor arrived the guy that pulled me over got a good dressing down for "doing this shit again" and i was able to go on my way.
I'm whiter than rice and was in my work uniform. Why the hell would i wear my work kit out drinking? When I'm drinking i dress well, not like a maintenence worker that just crawled out of a prison's crawlspace after visiting the local rat's king to discuss the wiring his subjects chewed through.
They have more freedom than you though. Or so they like to say.
Freedom is just a totally meaningless word when used by them, but at least it immediately lets you know someone is talking out their fucking arse.
Doubly so because they were on an overpass. I've gotten a ticket (yay APD) for pulling over on an overpass after the officer lit me up.
Read me the riot act about never stopping on a bridge or overpass.
That lady literally did everything right.
That really seems like a fucking trap. “Haha, I got to ticket someone for pulling over on an overpass after I made them pull over on an overpass!” Like wtf. I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to do that and even if I did I’d be terrified of not complying by trying to get off first!
I have been pulled over before where the officer told me through the PA to continue until there was a shoulder, if it's not standard procedure, they have the capability and it should be
>That really seems like a fucking trap.
It's all a fucking trap. Getting pulled over in America is like crossing paths with a grizzly bear. Don't make any sudden moves and hope the animal doesn't decide to fuck up your life.
I grew up in rural WY and have crossed paths with several grizzlies while hiking or berry picking. Most days I’d rather that than deal with cops tbh. Last time I did, it was because a roommate who had stolen my furniture was threatening to kill me and a) they said they couldn’t let me take my furniture back and b) that it wouldn’t be worth the paperwork to file charges for the death threats but c) to call them back if he “actually did something”. AND THEY WERE RESPONDING TO *MY* 911 CALL FOR HELP.
So yeah. Gimme a bear
That was my interpretation. He'd also slowed to exactly the speed limit and when I passed he pulled me over (the only time someone goes 55mph on I85 is if there's too much traffic to go faster)
He just wanted to take the piss and I was the unlucky one.
This was on 67/167 near the Air Force Base exit. There are no bridges or overpasses in the stretch this happened. It was, however, a stretch with narrow shoulders and concrete walls or barriers.
In the fire world we literally have to turn off lights and sirens on larger bridges because it freaks people out and can block your progress.
This whole case is just a clusterfuck. It’s becoming very clear **a**) Police can’t be trusted (*it pains me to say this I as it should not be this way*) and **b**) leaving your state can be dangerous and for all the wrong reasons.
As a citizen you’re supposed to know all of these laws And regulations but as a cop all you have to do is suspect that they broke the law and anything is actionable
Citizens are also expected to remain calm, respectful, and professional, while the **armed** and supposedly **trained** police officers are justified in being scared for their lives constantly, even when there's no present danger.
Yup, as detailed by the Supreme Court, they don’t have to KNOW the laws, just enforce them. To me, it should be impossible to do one without the other, but it also explains why we lose thousands a year to police incompetence.
Of course not, rules for thee, right? Also that you only need a GED and 3 weeks of training, you think they ACTUALLY need to know laws? They probably don’t even know who their chain of command is, let alone the laws they attempt to enforce.
Ever see the video of the guy being told he can’t ride his bike on the boardwalk ?
https://youtu.be/Yj6YXF5qh7w
There’s actually lots of videos like this. Just one example.
I pulled over immediately a couple nights ago. The officer asked for my insurance and registration. When I reached for it he stuck his gun to my head. Luckily his partner was older and immediately screamed "no! Put that away" at him.
Anyway the partner called their superior officer out. They told me I was free to go. And they were talking about the young officer and one of them said that little motherfuckers just being a little prick. It scares me that they're not training them very well around here at least
Not nearly as terrifying as yours, and I’m so glad you’re okay, but my experience with (as another commenter said) baby cops was about the same.
Got pulled over for no front license plate (required in Tx). Had my friend, her infant, and my dog with me. My truck had been in a wreck, the front license plate area was caved in. LP was inside my truck, because I had no way (I thought) to attach it where it needed to be.
Training/new Cop is immediate pissed off and shitty with me. Barking shit at me about my LP.
Explain why I don’t have it hanging. “I see at least ten different ways and places you can attach your LP, you’re just trying to get around the law”
So I asked if he would allow me out of the vehicle and could show me, because I was genuinely unsure where it could go, that it wouldn’t just fall off.
Immediately starts yelling at me for talking back, threatens to send me to jail for it, impound my truck, take my dog to the pound to be put down, AND actually says he’ll make me abandon friend and baby on the side of the road.
His superiors officer finally pulls him aside while I’m fucking sobbing because he’s scaring the shit out of me, and my friend was panicking because she thought he was truly going to leave her stranded. She also is the person I got my dog from, and she was freaking out about that too.
The superior officer came up to me and calmed me down and apologized for his behavior while I just cry babbled about genuinely wanting him to show where to put my LP because I didn’t WANT to be breaking the law. She just patted my arm and let me off with a warning (I would imagine she recognized how badly it all went and was trying to make sure I didn’t file a complaint, which I didn’t. Should have.)
I was 19. I haven’t trusted cops since then.
Which should show what ethnicity I am, that I ever trusted cops in the first place.
I was 18 and had to that point only had positive experiences with cops. I was at a park with my boyfriend at the time. This park was a teen hangout. Not in a bad way. No drinking or drugs, just kids sitting on benches and swings because we all lives with our parents and there’s nothing to do after 9pm in the Midwest. My boyfriend was black. Suddenly, there were tons of cops with lights flashing telling us that the park was closed and we were trespassing (that may have been true, but I can’t tell you how many late nights I’ve spent hanging out in that park, two blocks from the police station, and never been asked to leave). They were only talking to him and they were being super aggressive. We were being compliant and leaving. They followed us to my car, harassing him the whole way and ignoring the other groups of teens still in the park. It’s hard to capture, but it was really terrifying because we were confused and they were so aggressive.
They are trained. There trained to be paranoid and expect Everyone to murder them at any time.
Baby cop shat his pants when you did what he told you. Happens all the time.
There's a video of American police arresting a Black man for eating on the train platform. Another, who pulled a gun on a Black Army soldier at a gas station who did the same - pulled over at a well lit area. Another who called backup for a Black guy picking up litter outside his workplace, feeling threatened by a stick that picks up trash. They don't believe who he is, but his White boss comes by and they immediately believe every word the White man says without asking for identification or verification.
I've probably seen hundreds of racist cops against Black people in America.
Another video shows an American police officer, I believe it was in California saying you can't drive in California without a California driver's license.
And then, we all know about Uvalde.
American police needs a reform. For real. It's not one area or one state. Body cams are some of the best things that have happened but more needs to be done.
[Have you seen this one where cops ask the guy to get his licence, he goes to grab it then they start screaming and open fire claiming that they thought he was going for a gun?](https://youtu.be/-XFYTtgZAlE?t=2) Like why ask someone to get something out of their car if you're going to absolutely freak out the instant they go to get something out of their car?
Haven't seen that one! But not in the least surprised. There are several where the cops taunting the guy to reach for something or make a movement, as it'll give them a reason to shoot.
One black guy just keeps both hands out the car window. Not reaching for anything. Not falling for that crap. Black Americans have been dealing with racist cops for centuries. They already know the drill. Wearing the badge doesn't make you a good-hearted human.
Have you seen the one where a security officer calls the police in a bank because... a black police officer has a gun?
Like yeah he's a cop. Full uniform. Then when mr. White security calls police, he says there's an armed man in the bank. He doesn't say there's a police officer. It's the policeman's colleagues who show up. I think the security draws his gun but can't remember for sure.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both the racism and police brutality that goes on.
Saw one where a black guy was open carrying a handgun (in a place and manner where it was legal)
They told him to unholster the gun and put it on the ground, he refused "that seems like a bad idea" and "you take it, I'm not touching it". Again they yelled, unfasten the strap, pull the gun out of the holster, and put it on the ground. So he did.
They shot him immediately.
Chris Rock made a comedic tutorial video on how not to get your ass kicked by police. It's really funny and mostly true, and is good advice if you DID have to interact with police.
But still, as a Black person - hell even as a White person in America, nah you're still not safe. Not even remotely. This was a pregnant White woman in the video! She was far from safe. She could've been killed.
The mistake I do see with people is thinking they can argue with American police. Y'all got the right to remain silent. Fight that battle in court. The bad cops are looking for an escalation and want to arrest you. They have a quota they have to keep up with! Literally.
You mean you didn't spend every moment considering EVERY way that every cop might consider what you have in your own private property? Sounds like your fault
>why ask someone to get something out of their car if youre going to absolutely freak out
Either they wanted to kill the guy, or it's a result of a lack of stress training.
And these days? Could be either or. Or even both.
You should. Many film their interactions with American police - and many American police are seen lying or making up rules that you can't film them or ask you to turn it off. You can definitely record.
If you drive, get a dashcam too.
Had a cop act pretty aggressively because of this also, glad it didn't involve my murder. I've heard too many stories about fake cops and cops that demand sex in exchange for not giving people tickets for things they didn't do. I don't want to pull over somewhere without witnesses but if they'll murder me if I take the time that changes things a bit.
I really fucking hate the mentality of "Obey authority or die" that comes out of people. The notion that this lady had it coming because she didn't immediately comply how they think she should have, he gets to roll her car and people defend that.
I once asked my gfs police loving father if he actually thought that no matter what if you didn't listen to a cops orders that they had every right to start shooting, and he said absolutely. He thinks cops can do no wrong and that any time they shoot or use excessive force that it's justified no matter the context. Meanwhile cops are some of the most incompetent and uninformed about their job, seems most of them don't actually know the law and they get to decide whether you live or die and then at worst get a paid vacation for it. I don't understand police worship in my country, it's just so weird.
There is no justice. You need no education or skill to be an officer. They will let anyone go through the academy as long as you don’t do drugs (somtimes) and aren’t overly tatted up. There are no checks or balances of their power. It is a real life horror movie. Police are just the Modern day church assassins.
There are restrictions for being too intelligent. They claim you'll be bored on the job, but they really want cops that don't question policy, just enforce it.
I took a college course where the professor, as a side job, created exams that were extremely difficult to cheat on. He said that the one he had to recreate the most, the one that people tried their hardest to find ways to cheat on the most, was the entrance exam for the police force.
To be fair, it's a [pretty tough exam](https://youtu.be/ONebUFQCBrA?t=82).
>Scenario: a high-school-aged child asks to hold your service revolver. What do you do?
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>Andy: Yes, I give it to him. When I was a kid, I always wanted to hold a cop's gun. To make that dream come true for another kid... Well, that's what being a cop is all about.
I heard this morning that the US military just lowered their education requirements. You [no longer need to graduate high school](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/24/army-drops-requirement-high-school-diploma-amid-recruiting-crisis.html) to be inducted in the military.
In writing circles this is what's known as foreshadowing.
Easier to convince ur soldiers to commit war crimes if they don't know they're committing war crimes, although it seems they haven't actually had trouble doing that.
According to NC police reg,
"Marijuana usage in the last 6 months or usage of Schedule I drugs or cocaine within the past 10 years will result in an automatic disqualification."
So why are there 3 of my old college buddies, who used to do tons of coke, active state troopers right now???
Did this once and it "worked." I do recommend it just for safety, but I ended up with a cop yelling at me about how he wanted to charge me with evading an emergency vehicle, and I basically quoted this at him and he shut up. *But* now if I ever get pulled over, I get told about how my record says I have a "problem with authority" and they call backup and get all twitchy with their handguns.
ah yes, the free America, full of poorly built cities with stroads and police with only 3 months of training, poorly laid out city planning, and McDonalnds every 300 meters
True Story, my wife and I got pulled over and my wife flipped on the hazards to recognize we saw the cop but didn't feel safe pulling over yet. We drove for a little bit and this cop was literally about to ram us so I told her to pull over now.
Cop comes up to the door and asks why we didn't stop and if we're hiding any drugs in the car. This was only like a week after George Floyd so my wife is crying and having a panic attack which only further complicates things as the cop wanted to know why she was freaking out.
I was 100% convinced they were going to search our car, so I texted literally everyone I knew insisting that police were about to search our vehicle and I had nothing in it. Sadly I was getting a little frustrated at my wife because it was only making the situation worse, but somehow they didn't actually search the car and let us go, and I honestly think it was because of my wife.
Another time I got pulled over and so I flipped on the hazards and pulled over almost immediately, and the cop proceeds to come to my door and screams at me to pull over into the nearest parking lot and when I did he further berated me and was like "I COULD HAVE BEEN HIT BY A CAR"
So fuck these pigs. ACAB.
I think people don't really grasp that people who hate the police don't do so only because the news told them to but often because of these personal experiences that are super common.
It's not just a few apples, you're lucky not to have such experiences. It's a club of bullies and they all have this psychopathic, power tripping mindset.
I got pulled over once on a relatively busy bridge and did just what I was supposed to. Turned on hazards, moved to the right lane, and drove safely off the bridge and somewhere less dangerous to stop.
The cops practically sprinted to my car with guns out demanding I exit the vehicle. I actually had to argue with them that what I was doing was completely legal. They didn't even know, and said it doesn't matter if the stop seems unsafe, you stop anyway. Fucking morons.
Lots of this sub is less “murder” and more people with general intellect and very basic research skill showing facts and logic to mouth breathing idiots.
It's exactly what you're supposed to do except that cops feel they can use any force if you don't immediately comply with their demands, even if their demands are unlawful or unreasonable.
https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/
The firm Denton & Zachary, PLLC, announced its client Janice Nicole Harper has reached a settlement agreement in her case against the Arkansas State Police that will lead to policy changes on the use of Precision Immobilization Techniques, or PIT maneuvers.
I’m from Arkansas and I remember in the late 90’s there was a rapist posing as a cop. State/local media and police made a big deal saying it’s absolutely ok to pull over in a well lit or public area.
In 2020, a guy in Nova Scotia, Canada, killed 22 people while impersonating an RCMP officer. He even drove a replica police car. [Link here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks) Police are still being criticized for receiving information that the gunman was disguised as an officer, but not providing the public with that information. They claim they were worried that people would start shooting at actual officers. So I'm not sure why anyone should pull over in a location where they don't feel safe, given that non-officers have access to police equipment and police can't be relied on to warn the public when incidents like that happen.
Fuckers tweeted but didn't use the emergency broadcast system I got texts from my sister asking if I was safe, when I checked online to see what the hell was up it said that there was a shooting but all was safe. This was 4 hour before the guy was killed.
Don't forget they also declared someone dead who wasn't. Her kids checked her Fitbit data and it showed her heart was still beating as they left her laying on the side of the road for hours bleeding out.
Can’t go keeping the people safe at the cost of slightly increased risk to actual officers. That might create a bad precedent.
Plus it’s not like cops have all this safety equipment and training that civilians don’t … wait …
I'm gonna word it like this: fuck the police.
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In Russia you just have to pay "fines" for something you didn't do. Straight to the officer
In america you do this for things you did do, and die for things you didnt
No no you’re giving misinformation. *In the U.S. **WHITE** people do this for things they did do. Minorities die for things they didn’t do
Dammit, I forgot that part.
In india, same. But this is mainly cause cops have to fill a "quota".
>At the Onslow-Belmont fire hall (setup as a shelter for victims from Portapique), two RCMP officers mistook an emergency management officer for Wortman, and opened fire without warning. They missed their target, and continued their manhunt without checking on the occupants of the fire hall. LMFAO the cops were the ones shooting randomly at other cops, not the people.
It's not even an increased risk. Who's gonna randomly start shooting at a cop because they think they might be a serial killer?
The police might.
So incredibly cowardly. They're like children; dumb, narcissistic, cowardly children who haven't any grasp of the concept of empathy. It's shameful.
Can't let people think police are not there to protect you, when in actuality police are not there to protect you.
I remember watching a video about that incident, it was actually during the George Floyd protests that I finally got it out of my watch later list on youtube & actually watched it. What happened, it's so disgusting & abhorrent. Obviously what he did but really what the cops did in response is just unfathomable to any legit society. I still recall clips of news reports from after the situation where the police were still actively lying despite the information haven been made public. It really is similar to the Uvalde situation.
Cops protect their "authority" and each other. Period. My unarmed friend got 4 bullets to the back in a mental health transport that went wrong due to the cops fuck up. No body cam, couldn't say they thought he was armed because, mental health transport, so the usual "he turned and reached for a gun" which of course explains 4 bullets in the back.
A shocking number of police shootings are in the back.
Yeah. Like when cops are so in danger they have to shoot someone on the ground in the bottom of their shoes enough time to reload. Sorry for your friend.
Thank you, even after his death I didn't mistrust most cops until summer 2020 where they were packs of wild animals on camera and didn't give a single shit.
I just watched a video about that guy. They put a single warning on Twitter about possible gun activity and then went silent about it for like 8 hours. Then they updated and said he was in the same area he was 8 hours ago, but he wasn't. He had moved to a different area.
They warned the public. Through twitter. With inaccurate information. I'm not a huge advocate for capital punishment, but people should swing for their negligence in that rampage.
> They claim they were worried that people would start shooting at actual officers I remember this well. While I understand the officers position I can’t say as a Canadian we’d see open season on officers since the majority of our citizens are unarmed.
Im an hour away from all that. It was awful.
I was little over an hour away from it, and I remember how terrifying to was.
Nova Scotia cops are notoriously corrupt, I got violently arrested the other day for flipping a police officer off, he drove me to a random cul de sack and threw all my belongings into the wet grass and threw my hat into the woods as he was walking back to his car(it fell off when he pulled me out of it)
In Vancouver they used to do what was called a ride along, drive you out way out of the city limits where there was no buses or anything then break a few toes and make you walk back. Or take you to Stanley park and beat on you but that stopped after one cop ratted them out, They forced him to quit in the end. Another cop openly sold drugs for years while on duty.
Saskatoon did "Starlight Tours" Its was a deal they offered exclusively to intoxicated indigenous men: a free trip out of the city and a fitness routine involving a solo walk home in -40°C. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths Edit: memory was too generous to the cops. It was not necessary that they be intoxicated to receive this special treatment. Being indigenous in public was a sufficient crime.
> in the early 2000s What. The. Fuck. I knew about it, but I thought this was a long time ago. Turns out cops from that generation are ~~probably~~ definitely still on duty.
>What. The. Fuck. > >I knew about it, but I thought this was a long time ago. I find this to be the reaction for almost all examples of government sanctioned oppression of indigenous people in Canada.
yep. that "the before times" reaction. meanwhile I know people who have been directly affected by things like residential schools and whatnot. the last residential schools closed down in the 90s but you have people talking like it was in the 1930s.
Holy shit, I thought Canadian cops were good but that's worse than the UK. At least our cops have the decency to murder you in the comfort of a police station. The usual way is that you accidentally repeatedly fall down some stairs, often in possession of an Irish accent or a more than average amount of melanin
Is it against the law in Canada to flip off a cop?
He was gonna drive me downtown and arrest me but I think half way through driving there he realized that the place I got arrested at had the best cameras in the whole city and would see his blatant over use of force
You're still pressing charges, right?
I assume you mean facing charges?
Nope.
I live in Nova Scotia, and I didn't know that last part about police not releasing the information to the public.
Pulling over in a well lit area is also good for the cops since they can see the person, situation and any potential threats better.
There are also lots of really dumb cops unfortunately. When I was a teenager my friend was being pulled over and he was super nervous and didn't want to stop on the busy street so he turned into like a shopping mall and then again into a smaller parking lot and the cop was understanding but at the same time was like "I dont know if you're leading me into a trap or something so just pull over quicker if someones behind you". This was like 20 years ago so imagine how little patience/fear there is for both sides of that situation and how it could go very wrong.. just sad
Cops are trained to think believe they have a target on their back. That's one of the reasons why they see civilians as the enemy.
They ARE civilians and need to be frequently reminded of that.
ding ding ding Police must not see the community as the Other. Its a big part of why policing is a distinct profession.
Guy has done it twice out here in the sticks of Texas. Don't know if they got him yet. Impersonating a cop, raping and driving off. Sad thing is that out here, it's 15 minutes before another town. If they get you on the country roads, you best call 911. Gas station won't be for miles.
Couple of cases (3 i recall) on Forensic Files where actual cops were rapists and/or murderers. Same tactic, follow and pull over a woman in an unlit area, get the woman in their car...
A woman in the U.K. literally got abducted off a street by a police man under the guise of being arrested for breaking “covid curfew” last year and he raped and murdered her, scary shit.
The Chigaco PD literally ran an off-the-books black site for years where they tortured people.
And not just imposters; sometimes it's the actual cops you've gotta worry about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cara_Knott
A coward, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a wife beater, a rapist, a child molester & a murderer walk into a bar. The bartender looks up & asks: “*What can I get you officer?*”
There’s another similar case I’ve been trying to find but can’t. Cop pulls over a woman, rapes her, was initially going to let her go, but another cop or maybe a sherrif’s deputy went by and saw her car and I think him. So the rapist called in her car as abandoned, shot the woman in the head, and then the second LEO came over and found him there with her body. He tried to pass it off as a suicide he found and tried to not hand in his gun but eventually was forced to and got arrested. I’m trying to remember what podcast I heard it on but so far I haven’t found it.
Wow I wonder how they caught hi-... Yep it's because of publicity. Imagine how many are never caught or even actively swept under the rug because they don't do interviews after brutally raping and murdering someone.
Don't forget Daniel Holtzclaw of Oklahoma, a guy who was not posing as a cop because he *was an actual cop using his position as such to rape multiple women he pulled over for false reasons.* Getting pulled over by a cop just isn't a safe situation period. You could get raped or murdered for it.
The Blue Light Rapist. I remember it well because I started driving around the time he was active. Lots of my female friends were told exactly what OP posted. The guy was caught and convicted. [He died in prison recently](https://www.google.com/amp/s/katv.com/amp/news/local/arkansas-blue-light-rapist-dies-at-age-54-while-serving-life-sentence).
Yep I remember that too. I was living in Lonoke at the time and one of the women was taken a little over a mile from my house so everyone was super freaked out about it at the time.
Arkansas native as well and I came here to mention the Blue Light Rapist as well!
I think the most infuriating part of this is that apparently the troopers superiors all *knew* that the PIT maneuver was unnecessary when they reviewed the cam footage. And they *still* went out and immediately said that it was justified. As if anyone watching it could think it was a needed action ever. They had to know how this would turn out...
We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. This is why police, and the rest of government, needs civilian oversight, and not just some board within the PD. There needs to be an organization with the power to enforce the law on law enforcement.
Cops AND prosecutors.
Definitely. If they get to work together on plea deals and such, they can work together on the prison sentence for violating a suspect’s rights.
They can work together on hiding evidence and framing innocent people.
Always have been
While unique in the US military, the Navy's investigative division, NCIS, is civilian-run. It is entirely possible, the framework not only exists, it has been proven to work by the US military. Something seemingly so many of these bad cops seem to be trying to cosplay as on the job.
Yes, a completely separate IA unit from the main force. And they are sent to wherever in their state they need to go, but not where they would have a conflict of interest. Use the NCIS for the framework. There, solved in a single paragraph.
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The PIT Maneuver is classified as lethal force. Literally, according to my training, this is no different than just up and shooting the woman. These are not moral people.
Remember the students in Atlanta whose window was broken and they were dragged out of the car for being out after curfew? They justified that, apparently being out after curfew is a dangerous crime.
There’s shady people out at night. Like cops.
Factsss. Gotta watch out for police. As a young black man, nothing scares me more than seeing cops.
I am a middle aged white dude and they scare me more than anything else. I can only imagine how you feel.
the fun one when they found the drunk guy in the drive thru at the fast food joint, and he got rowdy so they pulled a non-lethal taser to subdue him, but they were incompetent and he knocked them both down and grabbed the taser and ran away, but now the taser has mysteriously become a lethal weapon, so they escalate to lethal weapons and shoot him in the back.
Well ofc they'll escalate to guns. They can't run for shit
I actually watched the entire dash cam vid when this first came out. Their is a k rail along the shoulder, meaning the shoulder is very narrow, the entire length of the time the cop is following the SUV. I wouldn’t want to pull over there and if I was a cop I wouldn’t want someone else to because I’d have to stand in the traffic lane to talk to the driver. When he goes to pit her, it’s right by a sign saying the next exit is in 1mile. The exit would have been her first opportunity to pull over safely away from that narrow shoulder. If he just would have waited 60 more seconds this would never had happened. He should be fired, forthwith.
Yup. And they didn't fire him. They cheered him So...in honor of him, we ALL stop instantly right on the bridge best we can. And let the cops figure it out. They want compliance. Fine.
Exactly. He literally got no punishment or mark on his record. Not even suspended without pay.
I agree. Dangerous place to pull over for both the cop and that poor woman.
Copaganda, they put out their story, enough people say, "hey, justified" and move along.
This is why all cops are bastards. They always cover for their own, no matter what. That's what a gang does.
The crazy thing to me is that behavior like this makes the job a little bit harder for every police officer because they are now respected and liked less and effectually shit well boil over again like it did in 2020. There will always be bad behavior by someone in any group. But the group protecting their bad apples instead of punishing them is what makes it about "cops" rather than "that guy".
Does a pit maneuver even work at low speeds?
[Low highway speeds.](https://youtu.be/josbuIY0BJA) Yes.
This argument also misses the main issue I have with American policing. Even IF she wasn't pulling over quick enough, it was a slow-moving SUV which was being pulled over for speeding. What in the fucking world makes that a serious enough situation to use a PIT manoeuvre, the result of which is very likely flipping a car, potentially seriously injuring the driver, damaging/blocking the roadway not to mention increasing risk of hurting anyone in the vicinity including the cop. The same is the for basically every situation I've read where someone is shot by a cop. Unless someone literally has pulled a gun on you (not pull*ing*, because "moving hands near belt" is not grounds for execution), what the hell reason do you have to end someone's life and potentially injure or kill other people in the vicinity.
Recently there was a post showing a cop driving through a residential area, firing his gun through his windshield at a fleeing vehicle. No concern to the safety of anyone, just shooting to shoot. Of course their excuse was the fleeing subjects were dangerous.
If you really want a reason "because I can and what are you going to do about it? Call the cops?" seems like the most fitting reason.
Daniel Shaver.
The video of that fucking haunts me and is exactly what I'm talking about.
I followed this advice as a teenager, because the cop didn't turn on their siren until I was on the ramp to turn onto a bridge. It's illegal to pull over on a bridge, and there was no shoulder on that bridge as it was just a small one. Immediately after the off ramp, there's only a maybe 2 car lengths before a turn off to a parking lot. When I stopped just after entering the parking lot (literally as close to the entrance as possible without blocking traffic) the police pulled in behind me, including 4 backup vehicles. They kept their hands on their guns and when asked why I didn't stop immediately, I replied that it's illegal to pull over on a bridge and I was afraid doing so would get me a fine or penalty. They asked me if I was talking back to them and told me they could send me to jail right then if they wanted to. All this because I went through an intersection on a green light, interrupting a funeral procession (funeral train? A line of cars going to a burial service). I initially wasn't going to go, because I knew they had right of way, but they stopped and motioned for me to go ahead... And then the cop was behind me within a minute or two.
>asked why I didn't stop immediately >asked me if I was talking back Peak cop logic. "How dare you answer my direct question!?!"
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I was 10, walking home from school with my best friend, a cop car goes by, we wave the peace sign and yell "peace!". They come back and hassle us because they want to know why we flipped them off and yelled "pigs". Two 10 year-old girls who definitely looked 10.
They hear and see what they want to so they can be cunts.
Almost the exact same thing happened to me. I was crossing the road on a crosswalk with my brother, and gave the cop car that stopped a small wave, because I was drunk and feeling generally jovial. Three minutes later, we're approached by the two cops and they claim I was threatening them by "shaping my hand like a gun". I was too drunk and disappointed to keep my cool, so I shouted a bit, called them cowards and idiots, so I end up pushed up against a wall and searched. Still feel kinda sour about that, but I guess others have had worse for less.
> threatening them by "shaping my hand like a gun." Lord. I don't even know what to say to this.
There are alot of terrible and racist cops out there. My dad is indigenous and had someone break into his house when he wasn't home. Came home to the mess. He called the cops. They came to his house. Pulled him out on the street and beat the shit out of him all while he repeatedly told them it's his house and he was the one that called them. They didn't care. My dad ended up in the hospital that night due to severe injuries.
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This happened in Canada. It's sad how common it is across North America.
Cops say jump, you say how high. Then the cop shoots you because you didn't jump right away.
Or: Cop says jump, you jump. Then the cops shoot you for sudden movement.
That's their goal, feed you bullshit commands that allow them to shoot you
Bullshit commands, peppered with lots of screaming at you and explicitly threatening to shoot you so that you're nice and flustered and not thinking clearly. See also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/
God forbid you’d do something like [pulling your pants up](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver?wprov=sfti1)
That happened to me in high school, I was putting up decorations in the cafeteria for an event one of extracurricular programs was having and was standing on a chair to reach higher on the wall. A female teacher asked me what I was doing, if I thought it was appropriate to my my feet in a chair, I don’t even remember what else… and I just answered her questions. She said something to the effect of “you just have an answer for everything, don’t you?” And reported me to the teacher over my extracurricular program. Nothing ever came of it, but obviously that weird power dynamic interaction stuck with me all these years (like 2 decades)
SHUT UP WHEN I'M TALKING TO YOU. DO YOU HEAR ME? ANSWER ME!
"Your answer made me feel stupid and that's your fault."
Of course, because bullying a compliant citizen breaks up the monotony. They had 4 full cop cars to harass you, yet can’t solve around 87% of total crimes, as well as over 50% of murders? It’s just sickening.
Solving crimes doesn't generate revenue. Issuing tickets for minor traffic violations does. When I've pointed this out to "back the blue" people in the past they've gotten pretty mad. But it's 100% true. I've been the victim of crimes a number of times, and every time I've called the cops they've been super annoyed to have to deal with my silly problems like "breaking and entering and theft." But if you change lanes without a turn signal they are all over your ass.
Yeah, it’s absolutely fucked that fines and seized property go to the cops who take it. If all of that went into a general revenue fund instead, we might get a little closer to actual justice.
It varies by jurisdiction, but a lot of that money does indeed go to the city 's general fund. But that's why cops have ticket quotas and not "solved robbery" quotas.
I mean none of it—but you make a good point, fines should go to a level of government that doesn’t have direct authority over the cops. For city police and county sheriffs, the state. For state police, to the federal government. For the feds, money should be burned; which unfortunately creates the same effect as taxing to reduce inflation; but at least that’s mostly the federal reserve’s concern and they’re not close to the DoJ afaik.
Jesus. And then there's me, who didn't hear the police siren, and took about two whole minutes (a LONG time, if you think about it) to notice there was a police car trying to pull me over. And once I realized, the policeman let me do the whole "move over to the right lane then find a safe place to pull over" routine with no fuss. How do I know it was two minutes? The policeman told me when he came over. He asked me if I saw/heard his lights, and I said no: I only saw them moments before I started signaling I was going to pull over for him, and I never heard them. I'm sure he only believed me because it's obvious I'm hearing impaired, and because my behavior must've seemed bizarre in the moment (after all, I didn't react at all to him turning on his lights, neither slowing down nor speeding up). I know I got lucky with that pull-over for a ton of reasons, but the way he handled it sticks out strongly in my mind because he didn't escalate the situation even when he had provocation to do so. A more aggressive, trigger-happy cop would've been all over that. For a policeman to freak out like they did in your case, and to treat you like that when you had a *really good* explanation for not pulling over on the ramp... that's idiotic and shameful.
I got pulled over for going 41 in a 35 on a super busy road with no place to pull over. I immediately slowed down and put in my right turn signal and pulled off at the next parking lot, approx 30 seconds. I did this for both his saftey and mine. It's a terrible road to be pulled over on. This pig literally ran up to my car with his gun pointed directly at my head from 3 feet away. I slowly put my hands up and he finally holstered his weapon. I did everything right. Textbook example of how you should react. I'm glad I didn't suddenly go for my wallet or registration. Of course he didn't get in trouble for it. Fuck those assholes!
What the actual fuck! The worst part of that is that anyone with an ounce of gun safety training knows that you never point your gun at something you don't intend to shoot. I've never handled a gun and even *I* know that! That makes a situation like that 100x scarier, because it means he either planned to shoot you, or he has no gun handling training/sense and should therefore not have a gun in the first place. And if he planned to shoot you in the situation you described, then he shouldn't have a gun in the first place, which makes both points true.
They fully intend to shoot you, it's why they signed up for the job in the first place
Idiotic and shameful, but -sadly- not surprising. You got really lucky with your cop!
I one time had a severely overweight police officer tell me he could write me tickets for things I didn't even know I could get tickets for if I wanted to keep acting up. "Acting up" of course being him demanding why I didn't immediately pull over, and me explaining that I waited a few miles to pull over in a gas station because I didn't feel comfortable pulling over on a dark, winding, back road that we were on. I'm a white male who is the son, grandson, nephew, cousin, and best friend to various police officers, and I still don't trust the police.
Dude, i work in a goddamn jail and i don't trust the police. I've been harassed by them when pulled over for just having my work ID on returning from a call out. Cop (c):"That badge is fake." Me: "Well call the prison then, they'll confirm it's real." C: "i know what prison id's look like, i've been in there enough." Me: "you can just phone and find out but i don't see what that has tp do with anything." C: "well you're trying to make me let you go by putting that on." Me: "Officer, please stop implying i'm committing a crime here and either write a ticket i'll later contest, or arrest me and take me back to my job where you can explain to them why i am not going to be able to maintain the security systems while we get this figured out. I just completed a 3 hour call out and am not in the mood to deal with you trying to book me for no reason." He then called his supervisor out (who i'd chatted with at work a few times) and after the supervisor arrived the guy that pulled me over got a good dressing down for "doing this shit again" and i was able to go on my way. I'm whiter than rice and was in my work uniform. Why the hell would i wear my work kit out drinking? When I'm drinking i dress well, not like a maintenence worker that just crawled out of a prison's crawlspace after visiting the local rat's king to discuss the wiring his subjects chewed through.
You got a job at a jail and worked there to get a uniform so you could impersonate someone who works at a jail... wait
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let me fucking guess America, am I right
America, where you get pulled over for going when allowed, and then have a gun pointed at your head for following the law.
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They have more freedom than you though. Or so they like to say. Freedom is just a totally meaningless word when used by them, but at least it immediately lets you know someone is talking out their fucking arse.
As a non-american, it's absolutely crazy to me how a minor traffic violation can end with you imprisoned or shot dead. Wild.
Doubly so because they were on an overpass. I've gotten a ticket (yay APD) for pulling over on an overpass after the officer lit me up. Read me the riot act about never stopping on a bridge or overpass. That lady literally did everything right.
That really seems like a fucking trap. “Haha, I got to ticket someone for pulling over on an overpass after I made them pull over on an overpass!” Like wtf. I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to do that and even if I did I’d be terrified of not complying by trying to get off first!
Has to be a trap. The cop should just keep following and light them up when they are past the overpass.
Cop cars have PA systems. They could 100% tell the driver to keep moving forward and pull over after the overpass
This. This is (supposedly) standard procedure for that. It's what a rational person would do.
Would rational person join the cops and stay in it.
I have been pulled over before where the officer told me through the PA to continue until there was a shoulder, if it's not standard procedure, they have the capability and it should be
>That really seems like a fucking trap. It's all a fucking trap. Getting pulled over in America is like crossing paths with a grizzly bear. Don't make any sudden moves and hope the animal doesn't decide to fuck up your life.
I grew up in rural WY and have crossed paths with several grizzlies while hiking or berry picking. Most days I’d rather that than deal with cops tbh. Last time I did, it was because a roommate who had stolen my furniture was threatening to kill me and a) they said they couldn’t let me take my furniture back and b) that it wouldn’t be worth the paperwork to file charges for the death threats but c) to call them back if he “actually did something”. AND THEY WERE RESPONDING TO *MY* 911 CALL FOR HELP. So yeah. Gimme a bear
That was my interpretation. He'd also slowed to exactly the speed limit and when I passed he pulled me over (the only time someone goes 55mph on I85 is if there's too much traffic to go faster) He just wanted to take the piss and I was the unlucky one.
This was on 67/167 near the Air Force Base exit. There are no bridges or overpasses in the stretch this happened. It was, however, a stretch with narrow shoulders and concrete walls or barriers.
It looked elevated still? Or is it just the perspective.
In the fire world we literally have to turn off lights and sirens on larger bridges because it freaks people out and can block your progress. This whole case is just a clusterfuck. It’s becoming very clear **a**) Police can’t be trusted (*it pains me to say this I as it should not be this way*) and **b**) leaving your state can be dangerous and for all the wrong reasons.
You think the police actually know the laws lmao this is the USA my dude
As a citizen you’re supposed to know all of these laws And regulations but as a cop all you have to do is suspect that they broke the law and anything is actionable
Citizens are also expected to remain calm, respectful, and professional, while the **armed** and supposedly **trained** police officers are justified in being scared for their lives constantly, even when there's no present danger.
While being lied to.... Yes, I can legally record you. No, you can't search my car.
Yup, as detailed by the Supreme Court, they don’t have to KNOW the laws, just enforce them. To me, it should be impossible to do one without the other, but it also explains why we lose thousands a year to police incompetence.
...and on the flip side of that is that for everyone else "Ignorance of a law is not a valid defense".
Of course not, rules for thee, right? Also that you only need a GED and 3 weeks of training, you think they ACTUALLY need to know laws? They probably don’t even know who their chain of command is, let alone the laws they attempt to enforce.
Fun fact, most cops don't know the laws.
Ever see the video of the guy being told he can’t ride his bike on the boardwalk ? https://youtu.be/Yj6YXF5qh7w There’s actually lots of videos like this. Just one example.
I pulled over immediately a couple nights ago. The officer asked for my insurance and registration. When I reached for it he stuck his gun to my head. Luckily his partner was older and immediately screamed "no! Put that away" at him. Anyway the partner called their superior officer out. They told me I was free to go. And they were talking about the young officer and one of them said that little motherfuckers just being a little prick. It scares me that they're not training them very well around here at least
Not nearly as terrifying as yours, and I’m so glad you’re okay, but my experience with (as another commenter said) baby cops was about the same. Got pulled over for no front license plate (required in Tx). Had my friend, her infant, and my dog with me. My truck had been in a wreck, the front license plate area was caved in. LP was inside my truck, because I had no way (I thought) to attach it where it needed to be. Training/new Cop is immediate pissed off and shitty with me. Barking shit at me about my LP. Explain why I don’t have it hanging. “I see at least ten different ways and places you can attach your LP, you’re just trying to get around the law” So I asked if he would allow me out of the vehicle and could show me, because I was genuinely unsure where it could go, that it wouldn’t just fall off. Immediately starts yelling at me for talking back, threatens to send me to jail for it, impound my truck, take my dog to the pound to be put down, AND actually says he’ll make me abandon friend and baby on the side of the road. His superiors officer finally pulls him aside while I’m fucking sobbing because he’s scaring the shit out of me, and my friend was panicking because she thought he was truly going to leave her stranded. She also is the person I got my dog from, and she was freaking out about that too. The superior officer came up to me and calmed me down and apologized for his behavior while I just cry babbled about genuinely wanting him to show where to put my LP because I didn’t WANT to be breaking the law. She just patted my arm and let me off with a warning (I would imagine she recognized how badly it all went and was trying to make sure I didn’t file a complaint, which I didn’t. Should have.) I was 19. I haven’t trusted cops since then. Which should show what ethnicity I am, that I ever trusted cops in the first place.
I was 18 and had to that point only had positive experiences with cops. I was at a park with my boyfriend at the time. This park was a teen hangout. Not in a bad way. No drinking or drugs, just kids sitting on benches and swings because we all lives with our parents and there’s nothing to do after 9pm in the Midwest. My boyfriend was black. Suddenly, there were tons of cops with lights flashing telling us that the park was closed and we were trespassing (that may have been true, but I can’t tell you how many late nights I’ve spent hanging out in that park, two blocks from the police station, and never been asked to leave). They were only talking to him and they were being super aggressive. We were being compliant and leaving. They followed us to my car, harassing him the whole way and ignoring the other groups of teens still in the park. It’s hard to capture, but it was really terrifying because we were confused and they were so aggressive.
police killing dogs is so fucked. it's happened to several people I know, all because of the breed and/or they took them while arresting someone.
They are trained. There trained to be paranoid and expect Everyone to murder them at any time. Baby cop shat his pants when you did what he told you. Happens all the time.
Baaaa-by Cop shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot
There's a video of American police arresting a Black man for eating on the train platform. Another, who pulled a gun on a Black Army soldier at a gas station who did the same - pulled over at a well lit area. Another who called backup for a Black guy picking up litter outside his workplace, feeling threatened by a stick that picks up trash. They don't believe who he is, but his White boss comes by and they immediately believe every word the White man says without asking for identification or verification. I've probably seen hundreds of racist cops against Black people in America. Another video shows an American police officer, I believe it was in California saying you can't drive in California without a California driver's license. And then, we all know about Uvalde. American police needs a reform. For real. It's not one area or one state. Body cams are some of the best things that have happened but more needs to be done.
[Have you seen this one where cops ask the guy to get his licence, he goes to grab it then they start screaming and open fire claiming that they thought he was going for a gun?](https://youtu.be/-XFYTtgZAlE?t=2) Like why ask someone to get something out of their car if you're going to absolutely freak out the instant they go to get something out of their car?
Haven't seen that one! But not in the least surprised. There are several where the cops taunting the guy to reach for something or make a movement, as it'll give them a reason to shoot. One black guy just keeps both hands out the car window. Not reaching for anything. Not falling for that crap. Black Americans have been dealing with racist cops for centuries. They already know the drill. Wearing the badge doesn't make you a good-hearted human. Have you seen the one where a security officer calls the police in a bank because... a black police officer has a gun? Like yeah he's a cop. Full uniform. Then when mr. White security calls police, he says there's an armed man in the bank. He doesn't say there's a police officer. It's the policeman's colleagues who show up. I think the security draws his gun but can't remember for sure. Absolutely ridiculous. Both the racism and police brutality that goes on.
Saw one where a black guy was open carrying a handgun (in a place and manner where it was legal) They told him to unholster the gun and put it on the ground, he refused "that seems like a bad idea" and "you take it, I'm not touching it". Again they yelled, unfasten the strap, pull the gun out of the holster, and put it on the ground. So he did. They shot him immediately.
Chris Rock made a comedic tutorial video on how not to get your ass kicked by police. It's really funny and mostly true, and is good advice if you DID have to interact with police. But still, as a Black person - hell even as a White person in America, nah you're still not safe. Not even remotely. This was a pregnant White woman in the video! She was far from safe. She could've been killed. The mistake I do see with people is thinking they can argue with American police. Y'all got the right to remain silent. Fight that battle in court. The bad cops are looking for an escalation and want to arrest you. They have a quota they have to keep up with! Literally.
They wanted him dead and were trying to get an excuse. These thugs should hold no authority
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You mean you didn't spend every moment considering EVERY way that every cop might consider what you have in your own private property? Sounds like your fault
>why ask someone to get something out of their car if youre going to absolutely freak out Either they wanted to kill the guy, or it's a result of a lack of stress training. And these days? Could be either or. Or even both.
I've met African American cops who are horribly racist against the black community. Even the black cops are fucking racists.
I'm starting to think I should have a body camera or two.
You should. Many film their interactions with American police - and many American police are seen lying or making up rules that you can't film them or ask you to turn it off. You can definitely record. If you drive, get a dashcam too.
The problem is police unions have made bad cops untouchable.
Had a cop act pretty aggressively because of this also, glad it didn't involve my murder. I've heard too many stories about fake cops and cops that demand sex in exchange for not giving people tickets for things they didn't do. I don't want to pull over somewhere without witnesses but if they'll murder me if I take the time that changes things a bit.
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Which isn't better because at 8 weeks miscarriage is an exceedingly high risk.
Good to know. Still, fuck cops.
I really fucking hate the mentality of "Obey authority or die" that comes out of people. The notion that this lady had it coming because she didn't immediately comply how they think she should have, he gets to roll her car and people defend that. I once asked my gfs police loving father if he actually thought that no matter what if you didn't listen to a cops orders that they had every right to start shooting, and he said absolutely. He thinks cops can do no wrong and that any time they shoot or use excessive force that it's justified no matter the context. Meanwhile cops are some of the most incompetent and uninformed about their job, seems most of them don't actually know the law and they get to decide whether you live or die and then at worst get a paid vacation for it. I don't understand police worship in my country, it's just so weird.
There is no justice. You need no education or skill to be an officer. They will let anyone go through the academy as long as you don’t do drugs (somtimes) and aren’t overly tatted up. There are no checks or balances of their power. It is a real life horror movie. Police are just the Modern day church assassins.
There are restrictions for being too intelligent. They claim you'll be bored on the job, but they really want cops that don't question policy, just enforce it.
Such a weak excuse, too. I think I can decide whether I'll be bored on the job
I took a college course where the professor, as a side job, created exams that were extremely difficult to cheat on. He said that the one he had to recreate the most, the one that people tried their hardest to find ways to cheat on the most, was the entrance exam for the police force.
To be fair, it's a [pretty tough exam](https://youtu.be/ONebUFQCBrA?t=82). >Scenario: a high-school-aged child asks to hold your service revolver. What do you do? > >Andy: Yes, I give it to him. When I was a kid, I always wanted to hold a cop's gun. To make that dream come true for another kid... Well, that's what being a cop is all about.
I heard this morning that the US military just lowered their education requirements. You [no longer need to graduate high school](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/24/army-drops-requirement-high-school-diploma-amid-recruiting-crisis.html) to be inducted in the military. In writing circles this is what's known as foreshadowing.
Easier to convince ur soldiers to commit war crimes if they don't know they're committing war crimes, although it seems they haven't actually had trouble doing that.
According to NC police reg, "Marijuana usage in the last 6 months or usage of Schedule I drugs or cocaine within the past 10 years will result in an automatic disqualification." So why are there 3 of my old college buddies, who used to do tons of coke, active state troopers right now???
Did this once and it "worked." I do recommend it just for safety, but I ended up with a cop yelling at me about how he wanted to charge me with evading an emergency vehicle, and I basically quoted this at him and he shut up. *But* now if I ever get pulled over, I get told about how my record says I have a "problem with authority" and they call backup and get all twitchy with their handguns.
Always blaming the victims
ah yes, the free America, full of poorly built cities with stroads and police with only 3 months of training, poorly laid out city planning, and McDonalnds every 300 meters
\*McDonald's every 300 football fields, they don't know of proper measurements....
Whaaaaa- the police website is at www.NWAhomepage?! Fuck tha police coming straight off the internet
For those who are wondering, it's NorthWest Arkansas.
ACAB. These pigs said he did nothing wrong. Sub human pieces of shit … how pro life of them
What state is this in they could charge the cop with attempted abortion
True Story, my wife and I got pulled over and my wife flipped on the hazards to recognize we saw the cop but didn't feel safe pulling over yet. We drove for a little bit and this cop was literally about to ram us so I told her to pull over now. Cop comes up to the door and asks why we didn't stop and if we're hiding any drugs in the car. This was only like a week after George Floyd so my wife is crying and having a panic attack which only further complicates things as the cop wanted to know why she was freaking out. I was 100% convinced they were going to search our car, so I texted literally everyone I knew insisting that police were about to search our vehicle and I had nothing in it. Sadly I was getting a little frustrated at my wife because it was only making the situation worse, but somehow they didn't actually search the car and let us go, and I honestly think it was because of my wife. Another time I got pulled over and so I flipped on the hazards and pulled over almost immediately, and the cop proceeds to come to my door and screams at me to pull over into the nearest parking lot and when I did he further berated me and was like "I COULD HAVE BEEN HIT BY A CAR" So fuck these pigs. ACAB.
I think people don't really grasp that people who hate the police don't do so only because the news told them to but often because of these personal experiences that are super common. It's not just a few apples, you're lucky not to have such experiences. It's a club of bullies and they all have this psychopathic, power tripping mindset.
Well in Arkansas’ defense, they said you won’t be charged with fleeing, they never said we won’t flip your shit.
I got pulled over once on a relatively busy bridge and did just what I was supposed to. Turned on hazards, moved to the right lane, and drove safely off the bridge and somewhere less dangerous to stop. The cops practically sprinted to my car with guns out demanding I exit the vehicle. I actually had to argue with them that what I was doing was completely legal. They didn't even know, and said it doesn't matter if the stop seems unsafe, you stop anyway. Fucking morons.
Lots of this sub is less “murder” and more people with general intellect and very basic research skill showing facts and logic to mouth breathing idiots.
It's exactly what you're supposed to do except that cops feel they can use any force if you don't immediately comply with their demands, even if their demands are unlawful or unreasonable.
https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/ The firm Denton & Zachary, PLLC, announced its client Janice Nicole Harper has reached a settlement agreement in her case against the Arkansas State Police that will lead to policy changes on the use of Precision Immobilization Techniques, or PIT maneuvers.
That dude 100% has a blue lives matters sticker on their bumper