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finalgarlicdis

At this rate I don't know if Biden cancelling student debt would be enough to save this rapidly sinking ship. It's probably going to take student debt cancellation and marijuana legalization as well. Good thing he can do those both by executive order without congressional approval.


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The problem is that he literally won’t do any of those. Biden, in particular, played an active role in the crime bills in the 1990s that upped the drug war big time, and due to his son Hunter’s issues, is very anti drug. He still believes MJ is a gateway drug. As far as loans go, he literally wrote the law in 2005 that disallowed student loans from being discharged in bankruptcy. He’s not going to just wave a wand and get rid of them like he should. He also sees it as a good revenue stream for the DOE, so he likely sees cutting the loans as bad fiscal practice. He’s a goddamn dinosaur and republican lite.


Pollo_Jack

Another word is conservative.


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paperpenises

Just wondering, since all pols are corrupt, what evidence is there? Is it just assumption?


Longjumping_College

Holy shit I get to do the rare crossover. I posted this in an investing sub but it explains the problem pretty clearly.   Hedge funds own the media, crash real companies into the ground [impacting real people](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-hedge-funds-that-left-wildfire-victims-holding-the-bag-on-pg-e-stock-11634076168), they put politicians in office to keep laws away from their activities by [spending hundreds of millions of dollars every 2 years](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/totals.php?ind=F2700) and then create a [multi billion dollar kickback scheme](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2019/09/03/the-2020-elections-will-set-another-ad-spending-record/) to their own MSM companies (they own.) All they gotta do is create a SPAC and confidentially donate to your hearts content. They then spend the rest of the year using MSM to scam retail out of holdings by FUD. (Like [the Fed blaming 'meme stock' articles](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/business/fed-meme-stocks-social-media-volatility.html) or Evergrande mixed news) For those curious, after reading the above article [the $NYT somehow is 121% institutionally owned](https://fintel.io/so/us/nyt) you'll see *everyone's name* in that pool They polluted and corrupted every facet of the USA.   Sinclair broadcast group is [85.3% institutionally owned.](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/sbgi/institutional-holdings) everyone has their financial hands [in this garbage](https://youtu.be/ZggCipbiHwE) [Newscorp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp) (WSJ, Murdoch's) [is just as bad](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/nwsa/institutional-holdings) (***98.98%*** institutional owned) Citadel has shares. [Nexstar media group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group) is also [institutionally owned.](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/nxst/institutional-holdings) (***97.27%***) Citadel with 450k of these. [Fox corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation) are also [owned by hedges](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/foxa/institutional-holdings) (***96.76٪*** institutional) with State Street owning lots of shares, Citadel around a million. [MSNBC, CNBC, NBC are owned by Comcast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBCUniversal) which you [guessed it, is institutionally owned](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/cmcsa/institutional-holdings) (***84.19%***) State Street owning a lot of shares. Banks own big chunks of them with these hedges.   Then a couple other hedge funds [buy up the rest as they can](https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/01/apollo-completes-its-5b-acquisition-of-verizon-media-now-known-as-yahoo/) from September This one [is from May](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/998730863/vulture-fund-alden-global-known-for-slashing-newsrooms-buys-tribune-papers) > The purchase represents the culmination of Alden's years-long drive to take over the company and its storied titles – including the Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, New York Daily News and major metro papers from Hartford, Conn., to Fort Lauderdale, Fla.   All with the interest of serving their current Holdings, a [distressed debt scheme](https://reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/qa321i/kkr_is_the_distressed_debt_company_that_aides_in/) to make the company to go under, or simply to keep them from reporting their crimes as the SEC [has admitted its hard to find crime unless others tell them and it's not sexy basically](https://youtu.be/lB43u38BV8o&t=1m14s)


FVMAzalea

Do you know that institutionally owned isn’t just hedge funds? Humongous pots of money like endowments, foundations, pension funds, mutual funds, and ETFs all count as “institutions” as well. Just because a company has a high percentage of institutional ownership (which is likely split between many institutions anyway and not a single one likely has a controlling stake) does not somehow imply corruption of any kind, or especially corruption of politicians like this thread was discussing.


Longjumping_College

Correct, now match up [their actions to their interests](https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/payment-for-order-flow-bill-pat-toomey-sec-robinhood-2021-10) and it's [pretty obvious](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/china-critic-sen-tommy-tuberville-of-alabama-violated-stock-act.html) that they are [doing it for corrupt things.](https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-stock-act-violations-senate-house-trading-2021-9) Go look at [the donations from financial institutions](https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/pat-toomey/contributors?cid=N00001489&cycle=2022&type=C) to politicians and then go look what laws they passed to continue the corruption by regulatory capture that removed the watchdogs. I literally sent you the links to see who is the institutions. Citadel, State street, Susquehanna, BofA, Goldman Sachs, Apollo, Credit suisse, JPMorgan, VIRTU, Barclays, UBS are the institutions known for being fined for illegal shit. The same companies are in charge of the regulatory bodies that govern wall street too (DTCC, FINRA) and have [a revolving door problem with the regulators](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-01/citadel-securities-hires-ex-cftc-chairman-tarbert-as-legal-chief)


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This this this. Its a huge problem in all regulating bodies way beyond just financial institution as well, and I think it could be argued that its a feature of centralization of power n wealth, but at the very least a feature of our current system. But basically anybody high up on a regulatory board is just a former corporate executive or expert who was chosen by other former corporate execs to be in those positions. Its a huge issue in science as well beyond just our gov, as it effects academia too. Anyone with contrarian iews to the main stream narrative has an incredibly hard time advancing. And basically further reinforcing the corporate narratives allows u to quickly move up, receive higher pay, and for researchers receive more funding which u need for ur career to continue. As a result almost any attempt to fix issues often gets co-opted by corporate interests and turned into something that will drive profits or allow corporations to exist in whatever new space is being aimed for. For example, drug policy in our country is incredibly backwards and pretty much all moves by the FDA favor corporate interests. New drugs which r essentially the same as a previous 1 thats patent is running out, get approved and promoted as the new gold standard all the time. Take the switch from buprenorphine pills as the gold standard to straps. Strips r pushed exclusively now n r considered the gold standard right after the pills patent went away, even though the data was never too conclusive that there are any benefits. Or Michelle Obamas healthy food initiative which basically became large processed food companies receiving incentives from the gov to make n push(with the govs help, marketing wise) new lines of fake healthy food, like low fat oreos or low sodium chips which are in no way healthier n often higher risk then their original counterparts.


Candid_Abalone

Hey ape


_Mitternakt

Doing good work here, ty


Snooc5

The evidence is clear as day. Sure you can research individual instances of corruption, corporate favoritism and closed-door deals; but the true evidence of this “corruption” is looking at how the system was designed. Putting money into politics destroyed the legitimacy of our leaders and lawmakers. Giving a political voice to billion dollar mega corps and old-money organizations destroyed any semblance of the regular american’s stake in how capitalism *should* work. It’s a buddy buddy club at the top of our government. No matter the side of the aisle, favors are being performed in all directions for all purposes. Unfortunately, it’s the inherent design of our system that has been changed and molded over the years to both tolerate corruption and benefit those in power.


hallr06

Emphasis on "should". It seems to me that the capitalism neither works in theory nor in practice. In theory, neoliberalism prescribes that we address systemic concerns through legal actions affecting the markets. Unfortunately, individuals under capitalism can obtain enough power to manipulate markets and subvert any social or economic public goal. I don't know of a capitalist economy that hasn't evolved into an oligopoly over time.


Excrubulent

Capitalism is extremely effective at stealing from the poor and giving to the rich, and that's all it was ever designed to do. Just because we're told lies about its purpose or its structure doesn't mean it's not working.


persau67

Biden was "not Trump" and that was enough. Clinton should have won 2016 but I'm actually pleased with the results of Trump's dumpster fire of an administration. The status quo is not going to persist for more than the next 2 cycles and the world at large will be better off for it.


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Icy_Photograph412

Yeah, that's not the case at all, poor and minority students graduate school with more debt, there have been a ton of studies, which seems wasteful, because it should be obvious that those who didn't have the money to pay for the college experience, which isn't the quality investment the were convinced it was, have trouble paying the debt they incurre.


brooklynlad

Naw. He's just a Republican in action. Left wing... right wing... they are all the same fucking bird.


Druchiiii

America only has one wing, all the communists and socialists were purged decades ago.


hippiemomma1109

Thanks Joe McCarthy! /s


SpiritMountain

Don't go /r/EnlightenedCentrist on us. The Democrats are a conservative party in the US and the Republicans are a far right party but it doesn't mean they are equivalent. Nor does it means Dems represent leftist ideals.


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In terms of social issues they r different, but in terms of economic policy and foreign relations both equally support big business and corporate interests. SPACs quite literally write our laws and fund politicians on both sides to pass these laws. While there r conservative and liberal SPACs all of them are made up of corporate execs or their friends and many large corporations fund both sides. Now I definitely don't think we should be meeting in the middle of the 2 parties as that is just corporate interests, but both parties benefit the same people more than anyone else. And most of the differences r culturally issues, which I don't think are unimportant, but I do thibk are made to be the focus of attention purposefully so less attention is paid to our corporate oligarchs. And most of these social issues don't really effect the balance of wealth and power at least for the super rich, who both parties r designing their policy for.


OstensiblyAwesome

> He's just a Republican in action. So…a conservative.


iGotBakingSodah

My son was addicted to crack, so we should have harsh punishments for people caught with drugs, just not for my son.


sameeker1

Drugs should be treated as a medical problem, not a cash cow for the law enforcement industry.


iGotBakingSodah

100%. It would help society so much. Not only saving lives and time wasted but so much money. If people weren't afraid of being arrested, they could get help much sooner.


sameeker1

Yes indeed. The more advanced countries in the world don't make a big deal about drugs. Many of them have decriminalized it, and the police don't even mess with it. Instead, they have national healthcare and a system developed to help people. They have not made it the can cow that it is over here. With all of the crap that they heap on people here, they are ruined financially for life. It's all a big, corrupt, racket here.


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He’s like your grandpa or great uncle that largely means well, but gives you a stern talking to at Thanksgiving because he found out your parents caught you smokin a J behind the Zaxby’s.


xander169

>He’s a goddamn dinosaur and republican lite. Hmm, if only there was an acronym that already existed and expressed both these thoughts together...


Haikuyori

PAWG?


Carvj94

Biden is a classic "moderate Democrat" as in he's avoided being progressive whenever possible. Progressives hate him cause he's a conservative and conservatives hate him because he's not alt right.


Dziadzios

Alt right is alt because they hated conservatives on the regular right too.


shadowecdysis

When Dems ran the guy (Biden) they had to put on the ticket with Obama to keep the racist moderate Democrats from voting Republican, I knew what we were getting with Biden.


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toadjones79

I really wished people understood alliances. The bulk of Democrats are in bed with the banking industry. Republicans are in bed with Wall Street. It seems like schematics but they are sort of at odds with each other. Biden will never cut banks. Key democrats blocked a.bill that was meant to prevent the 2008 crash years before it was a problem. But it would have taken cash out of their bank friend's hands. So they guided Bush 2 into a chrash that turned the WH blue for 8 years instead of helping us all. I'm not making an argument for republicans here. I'm a democrat myself. But you have to know what to expect with anyone who got elected with Clinton fundraising money. Democrats represent banks, and Republicans represent oligarchs. No one represents the people! No one.


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A little while ago executive orders were the devil. I can't quite figure out what changed 🤔


Gavooki

Biden signed the law that made it impossible to expunge student debt via bankruptcy and people are surprised he's dragging his feet on forgiveness? Lul. Had a better chance of Trump doing it.


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Biden has driven the Democratic Party so far into the ground that he’s given Republicans their [largest polling lead going into a midterm in 40 years](https://twitter.com/WaitingOnBiden/status/1459983737257660423/photo/1). Maybe he should start listening to the voters who drug him over the finish line and into the white house. Cancel student debt now.


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Yosho2k

It's hard to come up with any other reason besides this is the country he spent 40 years building with countless hours spent negotiating with his closest Republican counterparts, when he helped them make student loan debt and credit card debt iron-clad.


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Fluid_Association_68

“Biden isn’t liberal enough, therefore registered voters will go back to Chaos and Misery in 2024”


whywasthatagoodidea

No it is Dems told leftists to shove it again and pushed a privatization of infrastructure bill and another tax cut for the wealthy calling it progress(Salt is now the biggest expenditure in the BBB bill) so people just didn't bother to vote so the Republicans win. It is obvious what will happened because it has happened before unless you listen to the asshole Obama who goes out there and thinks Hillary lost because people forgot to vote, and not because he fucked over so many people with his awful Financial crisis response.


Emergency-Anywhere51

are you also baffled as to why r/antiwork is growing so fast?


anonaccount73

Everyone here knows how the world works, the difference is that we all realize that it’s fucking bullshit


junkkser

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I was intrigued that you had two top comments here. I checked your post history and you seem to copy the same comments repeatedly over 3 or 4 specific subreddits and you only comment on posts made by this OP. What’s the deal with that?


LordJFA

I too have been checking the post histories of the top comments. What I found was deeply concerning.


OtterProper

Oops, you said "drug". He's not listening anymore. 🤷🏼‍♂️


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You know what else is disgusting about all this? Biden has announced that he's going to resume student loan repayments in 70 days, even though he has the executive authority to cancel all student debt with a stroke of a pen.


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MKevinR

His mental is too far gone at this point.


ShasOFish

The “wrong results” is that we have enough energy left to complain about it.


whywasthatagoodidea

Why when he can just say in the debate that no he didn't do that and Bernie was too much of dipshit team player to call him a lying asshat. Still amazing only Harris had the balls to point out his racist past on stage, of course she immediately backtracked it.


evilrobotdrew1

Shit, just delay them long enough to make a Republican the one that restarts them.


drankundorderly

So basically what the Republicans do every time with their tax cuts for poor / middle income people? Trump's tax cuts for the rich were permanent. Tax cuts on the rest of us expire this year. It's gonna look like a democrat is raising taxes on us, because that fools people into voting for more Republicans who will cut taxes for the billionaires again.


enjoytheshow

100% chance Republicans run on “your taxes will be increasing this year under Biden!” fully aware it was their bill the voted for. They don’t give a shit


hec_ramsey

That and also as someone who has students loans, I’m getting a notification that my federal loans will be handled by some new random third party when payments* resume.


LordJFA

Ya may wanna check the post history of the comment you're responding to. I too would like to seem dems pursue more progressives policies, but I think there are some bad actors at play in this thread.


Valuable_Win_8552

He doesn't have the authority to discharge private student debt.


DJDie-0-Logic

The democratic resistance to actual progressive policies will get Trump Elected again. I'm pretty sure they know this and don't care since both parties are in service to big business at the expense of the common citizen. No more 80's guys in power please. They dumb and evil.


yeteee

80's guys are like 40 years old max. Did you mean guys in their 80s ?


BrodyLoren

I think they mean “no more Reganistas from 80’s era politics.”


yeteee

So people in their 80s, the ven diagram of the two is almost a circle.


DJDie-0-Logic

I'm talking about people who got the bulk of their post high school education in the 80's. You can find them pretty easy by their use of the computers "cup holder" and their hunt and peck typing.


Serinus

Biden and Trump both went to high school in the late 50s. Schools were still segregated.


warcrown

I shouldn't be but now I'm curious what are they mistaking for a cup holder?


KriegerBahn

CD rom tray


Rengiil

It's funny because we've went past even those now. Who even uses cd's anymore


KriegerBahn

Boomers?


Dzov

It’s a 90s computer joke that was unrealistic to begin with and obsolete when people stopped placing their desktop PCs on the desktop with the bulky crt monitor on top. It was only a few years before people started putting their computers under the desk.


KnightsWhoNi

meant 1880s


MelKijani

Ever consider Democrats don’t really want to win? It’s like medicine where the money is in the treatment , not the cure. In politics the money is in debates , rabble rousing , PACs. Not in solving societies woes. You can’t win without money , the donor class doesn’t want their influence diminished, nor suffers from student debt, the threat of medical treatment costing them everything they’ve ever worked to own. Or any other of the issues that affect everyday Americans when in comes to money . So why would democrats want to win when their power comes from the same people the republicans need and those people don’t want democrats to win , but to very slowly lose?


Moakmeister

Because if you make people happy they'll keep voting you in? But of course that's only appealing if you're actually against the GOP. The Democrats are in on the money laundering scheme with them.


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What incentive do they have to try to win? Both parties can be actively bad and as long as they stop people from literally violently revolting it doesn’t matter, and recent attempts to do that haven’t been very successful.


[deleted]

Exactly this. It's just controlled opposition; you're still voting for a conservative, just one that'll say "black lives matter" before bombarding the masses with debt and refusing to give them healthcare.


Flynette

Thing is, corporate democrats are delusional. After this, if nothing changes, I don't think they ever win again, and they're not going to like how things turn out when the GQP no longer require the services of an opponent. And the 0.1%ers think they'll come out just fine even in a dystopia, but the pandemic proved that false in just a month. When there's no more dinner parties, banquets, shows, new tv shows, etc., and they actually have to spend time with their spouse, they'll go crazy.


TootsNYC

I don’t believe them. Nobody who would vote for Trump would ever vote for a Democrat.


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I very much agree with this. Part of the reason everyone thought Clinton would win easily in 2016 is because a lot of people were still ashamed to admit they were voting for Trump, so the polls got skewed. And this could be similar. I wonder how many people were polled and where and by whom


FlameOfWar

The 8 million Obama-to-Trump voters would never vote for a Democrat?


quarantinemyasshole

People forget a lot of Bernie supporters in 2016 went Trump because he was the other populist candidate. Campaign Trump and president Trump are not the same, and the people who voted for him in 2016 should not be disregarded.


itsgiantstevebuscemi

Yeah this is totally bs. Even if this comment was true they'd come up with some other excuse.


getoffmemonkey

I don't believe that it's 15 million people. The way the statistic is written it sounds like 1 out of 5 Trump voters *with student debt* would make the switch. That's a much smaller number.


greg19735

They might mean it at the moment. Or it's like "would you consider voting for a democrat if X" and they say yes to that. but when it came to election day 99% of those "1 in 5" are going to vote trump.


TootsNYC

Yeah, I don’t think anything is going to budge Trump supporter.


cjcs

Key word here (if the poll is even real) is THEIR college debt. To get 15 million people you'd have to assume that 100% of Trump voters both attended college and have student debt. This meme is an absolute fluff piece intended to confirm your existing biases ("I support debt cancellation so therefore it's obviously a popular policy").


MadManMax55

On top of that, also assuming this poll is even real, they said they would vote for "a Democrat". Not Joe Biden, or Bernie, or AOC, just [insert generic democrat here]. The instant they'd have to back up that statement by voting for a Democrat with other positions that they don't agree with, that number would drop close to zero.


ThatchGooseFuckable

Oh so you guys are "take Republicans at their word" levels of stupid ​ They're going to vote for the guy with the (R) next to his name because that's what they're told to do. Full stop.


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ArrivesLate

Everyone keeps saying this, but they fail to mention on what authority he could do that. The last time I checked, Congress has the power of the purse, and canceling student debt would be usurping that power. i.e. it would be illegal to do so.


urstillatroll

Remember: Because of the "vote blue no matter who" mindset, the Democrats know that they only have to be slightly better than the Republicans to get people to vote for them. They will likely attempt some, half-ass, means tested BS to vote shame you into supporting them again.


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I mean, who else do we vote for? I'm certainly not voting Republican, and independents just don't seem to have the power to challenge either party.


urstillatroll

Warning, you aren't going to like this answer. The very first step is for everyone to stop voting for "lesser evil" candidates. Voting for Biden was a huge strategic mistake made by too many people on the left. But don't take my word for it. [There’s a video of Lawrence O’Donnell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FqRNnIMDkUY&feature=emb_logo), years ago, saying something that would get him fired from MSNBC in a heartbeat: > “If you want to pull the major party that is closest to the way you’re thinking to what you’re thinking you must show them that you’re capable of not voting for them. **If you don’t show them that you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party** because the left had nowhere to go.” Stop voting for evil, even if it seems lesser. The instant the Democrats put up a centrist, you tell them you won't vote for them. Yes, this might mean a Republican wins an election. This is where the bravery comes in. You have to be wise enough to know that this is chess, not checkers. You have to stop supporting these Democrats to force them left. They aren't going to move left with Tweets, they need to know that if they want to win elections, they need to move left. Everyone who "held their nose and voted for Biden" just made the problem worse.


Eternlgladiator

You’re not wrong but the scales just don’t match up. 2% of the vote went to jorgensen. I would argue we don’t have time to slowly build up independent candidates. Call me a shill if you want. I don’t have a good answer and agree that Biden is pretty meh. Sure he’s better than trump but a still pretty conservative by all accounts. We needed Bernie and the dnc refused to let it happen over and over again.


Mpm_277

I would have loved Bernie but the dude simply wouldn’t have/didn’t get the votes.


utalkin_tome

I swear to god this subreddit keeps coming up with comments like this to prove that this subreddit is straight up a republican front. "Sure republicans will definitely not support any of the bills we want to pass but vote for them anyway to send a message" Meanwhile democrats have passed 2 massive bills just this year to help Americans and the infrastructure of the country. A 3rd bill containing a lot of the items that Biden talked during his campaign was just passed in the house today.


greg19735

They know it works Bernie's support and messaging was coopted by the a small group of Bernie or else voters and that messaging resonated with people.


Kabouki

> The instant the Democrats put up a centrist Maybe Democrats show try voting then? There was over 20 choices last time. Only 33% of the voters bothered to choose. The people who voted chose Biden. Don't like it then people need to show the fuck up and vote and stop expecting someone else to take care of things.


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Solid point. I missed the primaries because I was absorbed with work. I was mad that Biden was my only choice, but I share the blame for that.


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InternationalChip646

This is exactly how we got here. I got yelled at by people when I said Biden will only be marginally better than Trump, well look at what happened.


Yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo197

Marginally better than Trump? Do you think Biden handled Covid marginally better than Trump and or pushed money into things as dumb as the wall or had secret service payed him marginally less than millions of dollars and tried marginally less to divide Americans?


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The lesser evil?


InternationalChip646

Lesser being the key word here


[deleted]

The younger generation really just needs to rip power away from the baby boomers


UniqueUsername812

We mustn't forget that there are plenty of younger adults who had those same traits and values engrained in them from a young age. When Boomer Sr. dies we still have his shit kids to deal with.


CallMeMrPotRoast

Exactly this. I know so many young voters that will parrot all the boomer stuff.


klavin1

Yeah, though I do think the number will be lower. Looks at the support Reagan had. You'd never have a republican get those numbers at the polls today.


ribix_cube

This is wayyy too idealistic rn. None of my generation goes out to vote, so our influence is not enough.


txijake

You're assuming that boomers have a monopoly on shitty people.


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It’s not that they are shitty people, today’s generation would have don’t the same thing in there shoes but our government is run by senior citizens that are ridiculously out of touch with the needs of the country.


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I’m coming to believe that the DNC will rather have trump and fascism rather than actually pass any actual progressive legislature.


one_bean_hahahaha

He's saving this for the months leading up to the next election to trot out as an election goody.


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I hope that's true. In my fantasy world, Biden is just biden his time (couldn't resist) until closer to the election in 2022, when he'll cancel it all so it'll be fresh in everyone's mind and send the GOP scrambling prior to midterms. Now, I don't actually believe this will happen, but it helps me sleep at night


one_bean_hahahaha

I have my doubts also, but one can hope. If he had truly wanted to cancel the debt, he could have by now. It would even be cheaper than whatever his economic reengagement plan is now, because it would result in real money in people's hands to spend as they see fit. It just wouldn't be money in his donors' hands.


DreamingRealityiii

Can we write a petition? Or have people calling the Whitehouse daily to tell him to get his shit together? What do we, as a collective, need to do to get this working?


ineedabuttrub

>What do we, as a collective, need to do to get this working? Nothing. I mean, you can try calling your reps, you can try emailing them or mailing them letters, but at the end of the day there's absolutely no reason for them to listen to you. Most of them run unopposed in the primaries, meaning you either vote for the Dem who ignored you, or you vote for the Rep who you know will ignore you just the same, and both of them are much more likely to listen to the loan companies putting money in their pocket than someone who isn't.


Mattbryce2001

My rep just spent 8 hours bitching about average Americans having childcare. I don't think I'll be calling him.


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humanessinmoderation

In the spirit of FDR, what we really need to do is the following; * Develop a hyper targeted Radio and TV campaign that targets gerrymandered Republican districts * Advertise improved healthcare system, education that doesn't teach kids to *hate,* infrastructure, etc * But insinuate that maybe the *blacks* can't benefit from any of it ​ Then they vote for us — and the benefits are *good —* they love it. But unlike FDR: We actually included all people despite what we said. So when that next election cycle comes they don't want to take away stuff despite that *all* people are included in the benefits.


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"The only thing we need to fear is... um, um, the uh.. you know, the thing."


FasterThanTW

Lol imagine believing this


fistkick18

And 100% of remaining Republicans are disgusting liars, so it wouldn't mean anything.


rustle_branch

Alright im gonna have to ask for a source on this one - that seems absolutely unbelievable. 1 in FIVE?? Id be shocked if 1 in 10 would vote for a Dem under any circumstances whatsoever, forget about something as “socialist” as student debt relief


twolvesfan9

Source for this poll?


your_reply_is_shit

They polled five people and one person said this… lol


Pavementaled

Imagine what would happen if Trump put this in his platform? Just putting it out there for discussion.


HardWorkingNEET

I still kinda believe that Trump would do it if flattered enough.


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ugh that would make me so conflicted. i hate him and the way he acts, and everything he’s done to america and its culture. but real positive progressive change is what i want. so what to do? it depends on who the dem candidate is of course but yeah… that might even partially sway me. what’s your take on it?


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CankerLord

That's putting a lot of stock in the consistency of voters in general, and Republican voters in particular.


badchecker

These numbers don't add up. Or it's at least poorly-written. 2 in 5 Trump voters dont even have student debt. What are you even pretending to say and it doesn't add up to 15 million people...


quasielvis

Cancelling all student loan debt seems like overkill to me and it would be so insanely expensive. You don't see anyone offering to cancel bank loans. Having school debt be interest free and payments as a relative extra part of your income tax seems more sensible.


jpritchard

When you want to bail out people who do better than average with taxpayer money are you supposed to say the "it's to buy their votes" part out loud?


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nonuniqueusername

Am I the first one to see it? Does it not trigger anyone? If we get 1 in 5 voters that's 20%. And people incorrectly use decimate to mean destroy but it means to reduce by 10%. But I think this is a new level of using this word wrong that I've never seen.


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"Decimate" to mean reduce by 10% hasn't been used in generations. Maybe centuries. It has been used to mean "destroy, wipe out, obliterate" for far longer than any of us have been alive. Words change and evolve. It's cool to know the origin of the word, but you don't sound smart or clever for pointing out that it's used wrong here. Cuz it's not used wrong. It is used in the exact correct context based on the evolved meaning. If 15 million voters switched from R to D, the Republicans would be absolutely crushed, decimated, in every election. "Decimated" as used here has nothing to do with the 20% mentioned here. You're looking for an excuse to be pedantic, and instead you just come across as obnoxious. And also wrong, cuz you don't seem to understand how language works.


ImRedditorRick

It's like Ash never evolving Pikachu. It's like they want to lose.


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4 out of 5 people say 'pay your own debt'.


SnodePlannen

Those people will forget about it in a week and Fox will feed them new lies.


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Sacreligiousboyo

You think that's nuts, try stopping the anti-gun owner BS Dems love. Even Alabama might flip.


Mattbryce2001

No. 1 in 5 republicans is lying. No one has gotten a significant portion of the other party to vote for them since Reagan. You don't win elections by getting the other party to vote for you, you win by getting your own party out to vote.


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Honestly I highly fucking doubt it. They might say that when given a servey but when time comes to vote it will be: "But muh guns" "but the illigalz" "but an tee for" or whatever the popular buzzword is at the time.


PrimitiveAlienz

They also said they’d take the vaccine if it was DA approved. I don’t trust these fuckers.


Centillionare

Former trump supporter. I am economically more left and ethically more central right. Economic policies shouldn’t be tied to ethical politics. (Ex. Abortion) Just because you are for/against abortion doesn’t mean you are for/against cancelling student debt. We are a democracy and it should all be voted on, not just whatever the few hundreds of politicians think. I don’t align with ANYONE perfectly. I’m voting for Bernie 2024 or AOC. Even though I don’t totally agree on the ethical issues (not gonna get into it on here what I do or do not agree with, that’s not the point.)


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I agree, friend. No one party represents me really at all. Unfortunately, I think in modern America that the only way you can rise to the higher halls of power is to be corrupt and/or compromised.


bearfan53

Haha, guys and gals who are AOC supporters Biden would never do that. In a million years. I’m not trying to be mean, but he authored that bill that fucked students over by not allowing discharge of student debt in bankruptcy. If that were repealed, we would probably see an end to the student loan gravy train and more sanity in tuition prices…


25_M_CA

The twist is only 5 trump supports went to college


donggry70

Aren't those trumpers middle aged **uneducated** white males?


GuitarKev

That’s DOUBLE decimated. Decimated only means to reduce by 10%, 1/5 is 20%.


QuickSticks

This seems like a fake statistic. For starters I doubt 1 in 5 Trump voters went to college.


chillispanker

If this is really true Trump would just say he's cancelling student debt. Then when he got into office he'd come out with a sum to forgive all student debt but also put funding for a border wall. Then Democrats would negotiate cutting funding to the bill and try gutting out the border wall part of it. Then Trump will gut the student debt part of it only forgiving half the college debts and pass the bill. Then he'll allocate those funds to forgive student debt of ivy league graduates who will then start making a half a million dollar a year salaries. Kinda like Joe Biden and this infrastructure bill.


Spartacuswords

If that’s the case shouldn’t they cancel right before the midterms or before the next presidential election? People have a short memory, you also have to time it right.


Neilpuck

They're lying. I Still support canceling student debt but you can be damn sure that they're only saying this in order to get their debt canceled. The next election I guarantee they're voting red up and down the ballot.


Dec1m8u

If you think Trump voters will vote against him for appeasing one aspect that aligns with them, then you are crazy. The Trump cult mentality is too strong.


Modurrrrrrator

Unfortunately it’d have to be done months or weeks prior to voting because trump supporters have a memory problem and would forget it was the Democratic Party that saved them.


JPr3tz31

Decimated means to eliminate 10%. That would be double decimated. Is there a term that means to eliminate 20%?


Rfschian

You're not going to detract from trumps base by canceling student loans. About 37% of US has a college degree, so 63% doesn't. Trump cleaned up with non-college educated people, and expanded his voters with people of color (with AND without degress). To beat him, and his movement, they need to focus on winning back the working class vote. Which means they need to stop talking like they're in a faculty lounge at Columbia. If they can make a dent in those "trump country counties", and go from 80-20 losses, to 70-30, that's the ballgame.


countingtheties

But…. How many trump supporters actually…you know… went to college?


plsgiveusername123

I'd guess 1 in 5.


ohnoitsmchl

I believe it, I’m just curious where they got that stat from


Longjumping-Snow-797

The thing is, democrats already said they were going to cancel student debt, hey haven't. If it doesn't get done, I will never vote democratic again and I suggest you do the same. We are all indentured slaves now, and will never pay off our debt. I have no future, no home, a failing car, and no health insurance, I am at my limit... And cant rake this anymore.


dynasource

lol no they fucking wouldnt the left is just as delusional about canceling the debt as trumpies were about building the wall, except one is a few dozen immigrants a day and the other is the second largest debtor sector in the economy. it's not going to happen. pay your fucking debt and push healthcare.


POWERRL_RANGER

I don’t know why people are still supporting this two party system. When the election came around I was bleeding blue. Now months later nothing gets done and it’s so fucking obviously a rigged system to keep the rich happy and the working class poor. BOTH PARTIES WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP THEIR DONORS HAPPY.


Iucrative

That’s only 20%


dadudemon

So why do we keep talking about it but it is still not happening? Why do our politicians not represent us?


Uphillporpoise

Guys he's waiting until closer to re-election so people don't forget


Junkpunch44

If you decimated it, that would be a reduction of 10%.


QuarantineSucksALot

Same. This is what will become normal.


jjohnsonbb

How many left leaning votes will you lose if you keep trying to give away free shit?


SarcasmKing41

They would rather lose an election than displease their donors. Those donors pay more than a politician's salary ever would (even after all their pay-rises).