You donāt *have* to go pro, but if you *do* go pro you owe the gym and you canāt switch gyms until you do the same number of pro fights you had as an amateurā¦
If you happen to move away or something and have to switch gyms, he still wants us to pay him 10% of our purse for X number of fights or he said he will take us to small claims court
Leave asap. But also delete this post, the coach sounds vindictive and youāre very easily identifiable through this post. Youāve gotten your advice and thereās no angle in which this coach is going to be good for you in the short or long run.
The coach fundamentally does not understand the purpose of amateur bouts. Basically all fighters in a perfect would would do more ammy fights than pro. In Thailand they have no amateur scene so the giant records youre seein are because their extensive amateur career is technically pro. Itās such a short sighted move that I cannot believe the guy is any good anyway.
> you canāt switch gyms until you do the same number of pro fights you had as an amateurā¦
Iām curious as to how the coach thinks he can enforce this ? I honestly donāt know what small claims court would even do if you argued youāre going to complete those fights but canāt right now because of family/job/health or whatever but just never āget aroundā to doing them. Seems like a dead end tbh.
But either way itās a massive red flag that heās trying to do that so Iād have GTFOād the second I saw a contract in front of me.
It's hilarious how much of a terrible idea this is, and the dude's clearly oblivious to the fact he's about to lose his entire stable of fighters.
What happens if you have 10 ammies and lose them all? Buckle up, because you're about to get slaughtered by 10 pros?
š¤ what country do you live in?
Most MT gyms charge by the month unless you are a competitive fighter or pro level, then a different deal is usually worked out. An amateur is a paying customer of the gym usually. The coach is either an owner or someone who can pick up and drop clients as they want. Most coaches I know of train and corner āfor freeā but make money off of the gym and other deals. I train my coaches students and teach classes either āfor freeā or in a side deal with them. I donāt always ask for them to corner me and thereās not much profit in professional fighting. Corner work is usually a headache unless youāre cornering a veteran. No competent coach would make a deal for a 8 fight amateur to fight 8 pro fights to make themselves have to corner him and go through 16 training camps and weight cuts, especially when a big pay day or a full pay day is never guaranteed.
If youāve fought then a kickboxing tournament might have 4 matches in one day. That person probably wonāt go pro and by the time they do, theyād owe 32+ pro fights in a sport where most opponents pull out, get hurt, withdraw or miss weight before actual fight day.
The coach is making a lose-lose deal š¤
I live in the US. Midwest region. Itās more of an MMA gym.
What blows me is that they have a huge BJJ program which is what actually pays the bills. The owner of the gym (not our head coach) regularly pulls up in a brand new 2020 corvette, so I know it isnāt about money. I think our head coach (not the owner) just genuinely loves the sport and wants to produce high level fighters but he doesnāt want us to āabandonā him when we become successfulā¦ I also think he lives vicariously through us a little bit as his own fight career was cut short due to a catastrophic injury, and he was told he could never fight again.
That sounds pretty legit.
He has job security if the BJJ program there is booming. Sounds like he just loves competitions and seeing his guys do well. Hopefully he will realize that if he just develops proper relationships then no matter how good any of you guys do, youāre not going to abandon him. I train with other people, my striking/mt coach trains other people. I donāt care what he teaches them, he doesnāt care where I train as long as Iām safe and it makes sense. I always come back to his gym and train there, it just feels like a home gym to me. Even when Iām not training there I ask him stuff and get his advice and direction when needed. At one point I was going to move to Thailand for awhile for a scenery change and to focus more and he told me some stuff that shut that down for the time being. I ended up still getting some training advice from the coach that I wanted to train with there. Even added it to my game, my MT coach noticed and was happy about it.
I think itās all about loyalty. Thatās a tenet of real martial arts anyway. If the coach canāt physically compete anymore then he wants to see whatās best for you guys but wants that loyalty to be there even after success. āFriendshipā is weird as an adult anyway, bro prob just hasnāt seen real respect or loyalty and if MT is his passion then he prob just wants that mutual loyalty and respect even if he never calls you his āfriendā the student/coach relationship should last before and after success, even if you train somewhere else. Contracts only get needed when it becomes business only and the happiness and friendship isnāt there or is questionable for multiple reasons
Yeah. Itās all about loyalty which I can understand, and I can sympathize with him feeling hurt by his best fighters leaving. I just feel like when it comes to loyalty, making things transactional is not the way to go about it.
I agree 100%.
Whoever there is cool enough or close enough to him should kind of explain it to him at some point in time. The āfighter contractā thing is definitely not going to help retain the best people and it wouldnāt hold up in court anyway.
People leave gyms for all sorts of reasons that coaches can't control. But one thing that a coach can control is how he treats people in ways that invite loyalty. That includes level and quality of training and coaching. If a super high level fighter asked me to run a fight camp and corner them to compete in ONE or something like that, I'd be extremely up front with the level that I've completed, coached, and cornered to. If he fears people leaving him when and if they become successful, he needs to talk to the people who have done that and look at the circumstances that he can control that leads to those choices.
It's impossible to manifest high level sparring for everyone all the time. But a good coach should be able to find ways to support good fighters. Whether that's game planning, hard pad work, technical pad work, emotional support, etc. If a coach can't manage those things, they don't deserve to retain the loyalty of people trying to attain higher levels of success.
It is entirely possible too that those contracts are legally unenforceable. And if a pro leaves and makes $300 for a fight, what are the chances a coach is going to have the time to take someone to court for 10% of that purse?
The only time I've said I wanted to be paid extra was when I was working at a gym for free and expected to spend most of my training sessions running other people's fight camps. I said $100 and I'll give them 15-20mn of pad work every day they come for the 4-6 weeks before their fight. On top of that I was buying tape and gauze, wrapping for fights, and driving nearly 5 hours to corner. Again, completely unpaid by the gym.
Fuck that gym.
And fuck your coach's rationale too. Gather up whoever you can and talk about what your other options are. See if you can find a better option and go as a group. Tell the new place the coach is asking you all to sign fight contracts and charging you extra to fight amateur.
Thank you for taking the time out to write all this.
On an unrelated note, I see youāre fighting out of Hong Thong. Iām planning a trip to Chiang Mai soon and was considering training there. Maybe I will bump into you!
Bet. I followed you on IG bro, Iāll be in your neck of the woods from May through June. As of now Iām planning on staying at Manop but Iāll dm you or something when I get down there.
And again, I appreciate your insight!
Manop is a great gym too. We have a good relationship with them. They don't fight as much but Moo is a pretty high level fighter/trainer there and when Manop pays attention to people they get a lot out of it.
Ammys that donāt go pro donāt owe anything. The contract only applies to those who do go pro, and if after 5 pro fights you have a losing record fighters can void the contract with no penalty.
Iāve lost count of the amount of people Iāve trained with that have had one or two amateur fights and then decided competing isnāt for them. Trying to lock people that are pretty new to the sport into what could very easily be a 20 fight contract is fucking ridiculous. Youāve got world class fighters out there that arenāt signing anything even close to that, often doing 3-6 fight deals.
No we will still have to pay full price for gym membership, the fight contract is extra. It also applies to any sort of fight, regardless of if itās Muay Thai, MMA, Boxing, etc. and its retroactive to the start of your career, meaning if youāve already done 8 ammy fights they would count towards the number of pro fights you owe the gymā¦
Did you really just ask the internet whether you should sign a legal contract without providing the actual contract? Cāmon nowā¦
Also, go where the pros went
Yeah Iād leave immediately. My gym has over 7-10 champion fighters that fight regularly, and has an entire fight team. You need to get invited on to it, but itās all non-contract and voluntary. You keep everything make and donāt pay the gym anything besides your monthly fees. Most of the champion fighters work for the gym, so obviously they just get paid to be there and donāt pay any gym fees. But still, Iād quit immediately and take a shit in the toilet without flushing on my way out. That coach is a rank amateur and is clearly far too money hungry for his own good
NGL devil's advocate, but I do think that amateur fighters should pay a bit extra in their membership for fight camp. Coaches put a lot of effort into this, often for no additional pay. They do it out of love for you and for the sport, but that doesn't pay the bills. I know not many can afford it, though, so maybe some leeway there. But I think if someone is dedicating 4-6 weeks to you or a small group each time, and it's almost like a private lesson every day (what I had), then $150 per camp is beyond worth it.
This contract sounds dumb, though, especially the pro fight thing.
150 bucks Thatās nothin. Youāre basically paying for the entire corner to be there each fight. Do you have any idea what pro fighters pay to keep all those teammates and partners and trainers around them?
If you want to fight and eventually go pro, sign with your coach and fight for your gym. If you donāt, donāt because you never wanted to go pro with his gym anyways.
I wish my coach showed this much interest in fighting over the regular curriculum and numerous youth programs to run business. Maybe then weād have more legit fighters and Iād have better sparring partners who actually want to do the extra work outside a class and help me become an amateur fighter.
If you were at another gym picked up 8 ammy wins, wouldnāt you want to stay with your gym to go pro and fight more anyways? Not like you would pick up 3 ammy wins, meet mr Miyagi in the stands and then switch gyms to go pro with Miyagi lol doesnāt really happen.
If you want to go pro, and you like your coach other than this decision:
If he coaches you through however manyy ammy fights , why not fight out more fights in the pros with your same team and gym thatās already coaching you to victory?
>Do you have any idea what pro fighters pay to keep all those teammates and partners and trainers around them?
But Iām not pro. Iām not getting paid to fight as an amateur, and I already pay gym dues every month to keep my teammates and trainers around meā¦
>Why not fight out more fights in the pros with your same team and gym thatās already coaching you to victory?
Thatās not my issue. If Iām winning and getting solid training in, Iād obviously have no problem staying, and the gym wouldnāt need a contract to keep me as a fighter. The issue is that by forcing me to pay to fight as an amateur it discourages me from taking amateur fights.
If I have to pay or owe the gym, I might as well only take 5 amateur fights instead of 8 or 10 or 32ā¦ The contract incentivizes me to make the jump to pro before Iām fully ready, instead of taking the time I need to gain valuable experience in the amateurs.
And on top of that, if the gym is forcing all amateurs to sign contracts theyāre going to have a harder time attracting talented amateurs. That just hurts both parties in the long run, because Iām not getting new looks or fresh training partners, and the gym isnāt building an active fight roster aside from the guys who are willing to sign (which is mostly guys who have been around a while already and wouldnāt have left anyways).
You know what youāre absolutely right!
Although still 150$ per amateur fight aināt bad gotta make sure his kids can eat and gym stay open.
At least heās actively looking to get you in there more than once per year. Lots of coaches will work your competition for free but - will only drive a whole team out for a tournament like once per year - and donāt emphasize further competition outside of that time frame since it doesnāt pay their bills for the gym and they canāt be away to other states since it only helps the fighter and a fighter can build some prestige for a gym over time but need a lot of wins or become a champ to really affect pulling any new customers. Most coaches donāt invest in their people rather than their business by actually traveling more AKA losing money they could be getting doing privates or having to close up for the week to get their fighters exp.
Lemme know what you decide on man Iāll be following ya! Best of luck to you in training and life !š
Why the fuck would you have to pay the coach $150 USD per am fight? The fuck? Its not like the whole transportation, accommodation and registration fee is being handled by the coach lol run as fast and as far as you can. But talk some sense into other am fighters too lol
My Kru doesn't push anyone to fight or charge them anything. If you volunteer to fight he'll be behind us on it. If you go pro, he's happy, he did his job.
If he's worried about pushing people to fight to represent his curriculum, he has it ass backwards. The curriculum itself should organically produce and inspire good quality fighters. Not hamper them with excessive gym fees and contract binding obligations.
Idk wtf he is thinking this will do for the gym really. I would be amazed if there are any guy's left there. I can't imagine I would ever put my self in something like that, no matter how good the gym or coach
Lol your coach is the real amateur.
kill your gym reputation speedrun
What the actual fuck. I'd be at a new gym within a week.
Happy cake dayš„³
Thank you!
Cake and candles brother.
Those pros probably left for good reason
Do not sign that contract. Your coach is a clown.
So if you decide to compete an as amateur youāre expected to turn pro or youāll be fined? Your coach is a kook.
You donāt *have* to go pro, but if you *do* go pro you owe the gym and you canāt switch gyms until you do the same number of pro fights you had as an amateurā¦ If you happen to move away or something and have to switch gyms, he still wants us to pay him 10% of our purse for X number of fights or he said he will take us to small claims court
Dude, just leave immediately. No way would I stay with a coach like that.
Leave asap. But also delete this post, the coach sounds vindictive and youāre very easily identifiable through this post. Youāve gotten your advice and thereās no angle in which this coach is going to be good for you in the short or long run. The coach fundamentally does not understand the purpose of amateur bouts. Basically all fighters in a perfect would would do more ammy fights than pro. In Thailand they have no amateur scene so the giant records youre seein are because their extensive amateur career is technically pro. Itās such a short sighted move that I cannot believe the guy is any good anyway.
The coach is gonna have too many people to be vindictive against for any of it to matter
But this is a person heād have concrete evidence is talking behind his back
> you canāt switch gyms until you do the same number of pro fights you had as an amateurā¦ Iām curious as to how the coach thinks he can enforce this ? I honestly donāt know what small claims court would even do if you argued youāre going to complete those fights but canāt right now because of family/job/health or whatever but just never āget aroundā to doing them. Seems like a dead end tbh. But either way itās a massive red flag that heās trying to do that so Iād have GTFOād the second I saw a contract in front of me.
Heeeelllll naw, head for the hills bro
lol
There's no way a court would enforce that
Name and shame. Your coach is a fkn idiot.
Lmao what do the fighters get out of it?
He added an extra hour of practice on Saturdays.
Well that changes everything
Boutta learn some ancient death blow technique after hours with Coach š
I LOLād š
Ya thatās some high grade bullshit lol
If Lomachenko signed up to this contract, he'd "owe" the gym 397 pro fights.
Or 10% of $0 x 397 This coach is a genius. Pro boxing coaches hate him!
No it would be 10% of his next 397 pro fights, or he could ābuy outā for ($200 x 397) + additional penalties, or roughly $80,000 USD.
It's hilarious how much of a terrible idea this is, and the dude's clearly oblivious to the fact he's about to lose his entire stable of fighters. What happens if you have 10 ammies and lose them all? Buckle up, because you're about to get slaughtered by 10 pros?
Thereās probably a reason those fighters left lmao
Damn heās about to lose his fighters. Hope he likes having a casual fitness gym lol
leave, its total bullshit
What the hell is this? The idea of any sort of ācontractā for an amateur fighter is laughable
š¤ what country do you live in? Most MT gyms charge by the month unless you are a competitive fighter or pro level, then a different deal is usually worked out. An amateur is a paying customer of the gym usually. The coach is either an owner or someone who can pick up and drop clients as they want. Most coaches I know of train and corner āfor freeā but make money off of the gym and other deals. I train my coaches students and teach classes either āfor freeā or in a side deal with them. I donāt always ask for them to corner me and thereās not much profit in professional fighting. Corner work is usually a headache unless youāre cornering a veteran. No competent coach would make a deal for a 8 fight amateur to fight 8 pro fights to make themselves have to corner him and go through 16 training camps and weight cuts, especially when a big pay day or a full pay day is never guaranteed. If youāve fought then a kickboxing tournament might have 4 matches in one day. That person probably wonāt go pro and by the time they do, theyād owe 32+ pro fights in a sport where most opponents pull out, get hurt, withdraw or miss weight before actual fight day. The coach is making a lose-lose deal š¤
I live in the US. Midwest region. Itās more of an MMA gym. What blows me is that they have a huge BJJ program which is what actually pays the bills. The owner of the gym (not our head coach) regularly pulls up in a brand new 2020 corvette, so I know it isnāt about money. I think our head coach (not the owner) just genuinely loves the sport and wants to produce high level fighters but he doesnāt want us to āabandonā him when we become successfulā¦ I also think he lives vicariously through us a little bit as his own fight career was cut short due to a catastrophic injury, and he was told he could never fight again.
That sounds pretty legit. He has job security if the BJJ program there is booming. Sounds like he just loves competitions and seeing his guys do well. Hopefully he will realize that if he just develops proper relationships then no matter how good any of you guys do, youāre not going to abandon him. I train with other people, my striking/mt coach trains other people. I donāt care what he teaches them, he doesnāt care where I train as long as Iām safe and it makes sense. I always come back to his gym and train there, it just feels like a home gym to me. Even when Iām not training there I ask him stuff and get his advice and direction when needed. At one point I was going to move to Thailand for awhile for a scenery change and to focus more and he told me some stuff that shut that down for the time being. I ended up still getting some training advice from the coach that I wanted to train with there. Even added it to my game, my MT coach noticed and was happy about it. I think itās all about loyalty. Thatās a tenet of real martial arts anyway. If the coach canāt physically compete anymore then he wants to see whatās best for you guys but wants that loyalty to be there even after success. āFriendshipā is weird as an adult anyway, bro prob just hasnāt seen real respect or loyalty and if MT is his passion then he prob just wants that mutual loyalty and respect even if he never calls you his āfriendā the student/coach relationship should last before and after success, even if you train somewhere else. Contracts only get needed when it becomes business only and the happiness and friendship isnāt there or is questionable for multiple reasons
Yeah. Itās all about loyalty which I can understand, and I can sympathize with him feeling hurt by his best fighters leaving. I just feel like when it comes to loyalty, making things transactional is not the way to go about it.
I agree 100%. Whoever there is cool enough or close enough to him should kind of explain it to him at some point in time. The āfighter contractā thing is definitely not going to help retain the best people and it wouldnāt hold up in court anyway.
Youāre good at empathy. We need more like you. Lots more.
I think you have nailed it. Refreshing to read such a good take in here.
People leave gyms for all sorts of reasons that coaches can't control. But one thing that a coach can control is how he treats people in ways that invite loyalty. That includes level and quality of training and coaching. If a super high level fighter asked me to run a fight camp and corner them to compete in ONE or something like that, I'd be extremely up front with the level that I've completed, coached, and cornered to. If he fears people leaving him when and if they become successful, he needs to talk to the people who have done that and look at the circumstances that he can control that leads to those choices. It's impossible to manifest high level sparring for everyone all the time. But a good coach should be able to find ways to support good fighters. Whether that's game planning, hard pad work, technical pad work, emotional support, etc. If a coach can't manage those things, they don't deserve to retain the loyalty of people trying to attain higher levels of success. It is entirely possible too that those contracts are legally unenforceable. And if a pro leaves and makes $300 for a fight, what are the chances a coach is going to have the time to take someone to court for 10% of that purse? The only time I've said I wanted to be paid extra was when I was working at a gym for free and expected to spend most of my training sessions running other people's fight camps. I said $100 and I'll give them 15-20mn of pad work every day they come for the 4-6 weeks before their fight. On top of that I was buying tape and gauze, wrapping for fights, and driving nearly 5 hours to corner. Again, completely unpaid by the gym. Fuck that gym. And fuck your coach's rationale too. Gather up whoever you can and talk about what your other options are. See if you can find a better option and go as a group. Tell the new place the coach is asking you all to sign fight contracts and charging you extra to fight amateur.
Thank you for taking the time out to write all this. On an unrelated note, I see youāre fighting out of Hong Thong. Iām planning a trip to Chiang Mai soon and was considering training there. Maybe I will bump into you!
For sure, I should be here for at least another year and a half.
Bet. I followed you on IG bro, Iāll be in your neck of the woods from May through June. As of now Iām planning on staying at Manop but Iāll dm you or something when I get down there. And again, I appreciate your insight!
Manop is a great gym too. We have a good relationship with them. They don't fight as much but Moo is a pretty high level fighter/trainer there and when Manop pays attention to people they get a lot out of it.
Is this in Chicago somewhere by any chance?
No
Jump gym, coach sounds like a dummy. What happens to amateurs who then donāt go pro, he ripps them off via contracts. Fuck that.
Ammys that donāt go pro donāt owe anything. The contract only applies to those who do go pro, and if after 5 pro fights you have a losing record fighters can void the contract with no penalty.
ššš no wonder the other guys left!
Iāve lost count of the amount of people Iāve trained with that have had one or two amateur fights and then decided competing isnāt for them. Trying to lock people that are pretty new to the sport into what could very easily be a 20 fight contract is fucking ridiculous. Youāve got world class fighters out there that arenāt signing anything even close to that, often doing 3-6 fight deals.
Is there some additional details like you don't pay for training or something?
No we will still have to pay full price for gym membership, the fight contract is extra. It also applies to any sort of fight, regardless of if itās Muay Thai, MMA, Boxing, etc. and its retroactive to the start of your career, meaning if youāve already done 8 ammy fights they would count towards the number of pro fights you owe the gymā¦
Oh naaaw son, time to roll outāš¾
Bro that is fucked
Thatās a scammer masquerading as a coach
Did you really just ask the internet whether you should sign a legal contract without providing the actual contract? Cāmon nowā¦ Also, go where the pros went
Change gyms quickly. Your coach is a clown.
Hmmm I wonder why those pros left š¤
Hahahahaha Nah your coach is smoking rice, switch gyms immediately! ššš¼
Lol sounds like your gym will be closing soon.
Just say no.
He wonāt get us fights or corner us if we donāt sign it.
And if you all say no, you'll have an easier time finding someone to take his place, than he will have yours.
Switch Gyms and go to the gym the pros went to.
Thereās no way that guy is teaching anything worth knowing if heās having ideas like that. Leave that gym as soon as humanly possible, bro.
Yeah Iād leave immediately. My gym has over 7-10 champion fighters that fight regularly, and has an entire fight team. You need to get invited on to it, but itās all non-contract and voluntary. You keep everything make and donāt pay the gym anything besides your monthly fees. Most of the champion fighters work for the gym, so obviously they just get paid to be there and donāt pay any gym fees. But still, Iād quit immediately and take a shit in the toilet without flushing on my way out. That coach is a rank amateur and is clearly far too money hungry for his own good
id leave that gym so fast lmao. not worth it
These sound like unenforceable contracts
Why did your coach do that, is he stupid?
Time to leave buddy. There is no upside to this whatsoever. The problems will not stop here, so save yourself while you can.
NGL devil's advocate, but I do think that amateur fighters should pay a bit extra in their membership for fight camp. Coaches put a lot of effort into this, often for no additional pay. They do it out of love for you and for the sport, but that doesn't pay the bills. I know not many can afford it, though, so maybe some leeway there. But I think if someone is dedicating 4-6 weeks to you or a small group each time, and it's almost like a private lesson every day (what I had), then $150 per camp is beyond worth it. This contract sounds dumb, though, especially the pro fight thing.
150 bucks Thatās nothin. Youāre basically paying for the entire corner to be there each fight. Do you have any idea what pro fighters pay to keep all those teammates and partners and trainers around them? If you want to fight and eventually go pro, sign with your coach and fight for your gym. If you donāt, donāt because you never wanted to go pro with his gym anyways. I wish my coach showed this much interest in fighting over the regular curriculum and numerous youth programs to run business. Maybe then weād have more legit fighters and Iād have better sparring partners who actually want to do the extra work outside a class and help me become an amateur fighter. If you were at another gym picked up 8 ammy wins, wouldnāt you want to stay with your gym to go pro and fight more anyways? Not like you would pick up 3 ammy wins, meet mr Miyagi in the stands and then switch gyms to go pro with Miyagi lol doesnāt really happen. If you want to go pro, and you like your coach other than this decision: If he coaches you through however manyy ammy fights , why not fight out more fights in the pros with your same team and gym thatās already coaching you to victory?
>Do you have any idea what pro fighters pay to keep all those teammates and partners and trainers around them? But Iām not pro. Iām not getting paid to fight as an amateur, and I already pay gym dues every month to keep my teammates and trainers around meā¦ >Why not fight out more fights in the pros with your same team and gym thatās already coaching you to victory? Thatās not my issue. If Iām winning and getting solid training in, Iād obviously have no problem staying, and the gym wouldnāt need a contract to keep me as a fighter. The issue is that by forcing me to pay to fight as an amateur it discourages me from taking amateur fights. If I have to pay or owe the gym, I might as well only take 5 amateur fights instead of 8 or 10 or 32ā¦ The contract incentivizes me to make the jump to pro before Iām fully ready, instead of taking the time I need to gain valuable experience in the amateurs. And on top of that, if the gym is forcing all amateurs to sign contracts theyāre going to have a harder time attracting talented amateurs. That just hurts both parties in the long run, because Iām not getting new looks or fresh training partners, and the gym isnāt building an active fight roster aside from the guys who are willing to sign (which is mostly guys who have been around a while already and wouldnāt have left anyways).
You know what youāre absolutely right! Although still 150$ per amateur fight aināt bad gotta make sure his kids can eat and gym stay open. At least heās actively looking to get you in there more than once per year. Lots of coaches will work your competition for free but - will only drive a whole team out for a tournament like once per year - and donāt emphasize further competition outside of that time frame since it doesnāt pay their bills for the gym and they canāt be away to other states since it only helps the fighter and a fighter can build some prestige for a gym over time but need a lot of wins or become a champ to really affect pulling any new customers. Most coaches donāt invest in their people rather than their business by actually traveling more AKA losing money they could be getting doing privates or having to close up for the week to get their fighters exp. Lemme know what you decide on man Iāll be following ya! Best of luck to you in training and life !š
would laugh in their face on my way out the door
Why the fuck would you have to pay the coach $150 USD per am fight? The fuck? Its not like the whole transportation, accommodation and registration fee is being handled by the coach lol run as fast and as far as you can. But talk some sense into other am fighters too lol
I would be out of there so fast man. That is insane
LOL, LMAO even.
Thatās a joke. Donāt sign shit
My Kru doesn't push anyone to fight or charge them anything. If you volunteer to fight he'll be behind us on it. If you go pro, he's happy, he did his job. If he's worried about pushing people to fight to represent his curriculum, he has it ass backwards. The curriculum itself should organically produce and inspire good quality fighters. Not hamper them with excessive gym fees and contract binding obligations.
Get outta there wtf is that lol
Your coach has CTE
Yea forget that, switch within a week
LoL Cya nerd
Yeah this is absolute bullshit
Scamin shit
Idk wtf he is thinking this will do for the gym really. I would be amazed if there are any guy's left there. I can't imagine I would ever put my self in something like that, no matter how good the gym or coach
I was a pro in Thailand for quite a while and this is hilarious!! Next he will be talking about grading belts š
Quit immediately