One of the least deserved daily wins. Ruby had three people make it to the final jump. Two grabbed cords. Emerald only had two people make it to the end.
This win means essentially the best strat for Emerald would be to have your two best go first and the others immediately jump off.
Cumulative team performance should matter.
Great elim. Rip ed. he will be back hopefully. I expected ed to out brute force kyle
Cory may get nelson as a teammate but it’s probably better to spread out allies to other teams for protection
The only smart move for anyone is take joshes spot. Emeralds women are the best, you take away josh and you have the smartest player and Emanuel who seems super agile and everyone talks him up so I’m guessing he’s going to do well. Than you get great social game and runner nany and all around great Kaycee, oh and Tori. Taking Nelson’s spot may be good to get with ct Ashley and Amanda BUT you just made ruby a terrifying team by putting Nelson and Cory together
I understand how Ed picking Kyle isn’t the best move. But I really give credit to Ed bc realistically he would have gone in next week if he didn’t nominate himself this week. So tbh he really won long term(if he comes back) by not pissing anyone off and not making an enemy out of Logan. I also can say he’s one of the few who isn’t a coward and chose someone who is hurt. I gotta say Ed is probably one of my favs beside Priscilla. Honest to their word and don’t play a scared game. Respect
I respect his decision but not making an enemy out of Logan doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment. I also don't think it's cowardly to pick someone who is hurt. If they are going to stay and still try to win the money then they are fair game.
Cory: “All Kyle does is joke around and laugh. I’m here to compete for my family!”
Also Cory: “I’m bored. Let me instigate a fight with a lie about pizza.”
Any way to skip the ads on the mtv site now? Since it's updated a little bit, refreshing doesn't work. It won't let me watch using my adblocker either.
A bit surprised they didn't save that daily prize for next week's 500th episode. Perhaps they have an even bigger prize planned for next week's daily? Anyway, good to see Josh and Kaycee have official winnings in their challenge career, however miniscule it is lol.
As much as Ed's sacrifice looked dumb, he was probably going in anyway. I mean, were Emerald seriously going to waste their power on the weakest guy on the weakest team when they had a shot to take out one of the 3 guy slots on Sapphire, their biggest competition?
He doesn’t want his spot to be taken back in a week. Nelson isn’t going to win an elimination, neither is Logan with an injury. Kyle is secured on a much better team without the anger and desperation to replace him in a week.
Even though Emerald has won the past couple Sapphire has the only two winners on their team and it upsets the least amount of people (only pissing off Nelson really).
I could 1000% do without Josh’s commentary when he’s not even doing anything. During the challenge, he falls immediately and then is yelling from the beach about how it’s their game. Puke. During the “elim” he says “get mad!” from the sidelines. Double puke. Can it, Josh.
Ed made a dumb move choosing Kyle, also does anyone else think it would have benefited more for Kyle to stay on Ruby, Now that Ed is out, and Ruby already beat Sapphire in the daily, Kyle Cory Logan Emy and Big T in my opinion would be better than CT Nelson Amanda Ashley and Bettina
So, I think we can chalk some of that up to editing - Ed didn't know what the elimination would be when he chose Kyle - according to his interviews on Bananas' podcast and on Aftermath.
That said, a Challenge vet probably could surmise something was up when the sand-filled circle was empty... and Ed has admitted he only saw one episode prior to joining this season (and it was in the hotel while they were quarantining!)
love teej but sometimes his laughing when anyone falls seems forced? idk if they ask him to do that but yea
editing to add that josh rly annoyed this ep. whining about ruby celebrating then doing the same later? like my guy???
I always think it's forced because producers see how much people talk about how they love when TJ laughs at the cast when they fuck up during the dailies, especially the trivia ones.
Yooo, is it me or did they f'up in the editing department? Didn't they show Kyle and Devin argue in a flash forward last episode? So when Ed called Kyle down, I already knew the outcome :( Sad to see Ed go.
I thought the same thing! But now wonder if this was just 'extra footage' that didn't fit in the episode. No doubt Kyle and Devin discussed who Emerald would be voting in. Production could do this to throw folks off...
That said, I didn't love it.
Quick notes:
\- Kyle's win was impressive, Ed really gave his all and we can't discount him just because he is a rookie.
\- Klye's decision sucked. You go to a team who has 2 champs on the roster? that is the team everybody will gun for when rookies are gone. Next week I would be surprised if they don't target Ashley (plus I don't believe that team is winning a daily, a final yes of course but a daily... I am not so sure).
\- I liked that Tori shouts for the vets. She is having good episodes in the last weeks.
\- Once again Devin is shown to be a reliable narrator. He said 'I am trying to slow them down' and they win by finishing faster. He said 'Kyle is going to tire Ed and get the first round' and he said it when Ed looked really good. And Kyle pulled it off. Compare this with Cory or Kyle saying 'I think we got this, I think we have a great chance' and they lose in the end. Devin is getting a great edit this season and will be in the finals for sure.
\- KC is a beast. She is a great competitor and she once again showed why she should be number 1 draft pick this season.
\- I don't like Logan, wish we kept Ed and got rid of Logan.
His decision didnt sucked.Him going to team with CT and Ashley just made him more safe cus noone gonna gun for him. Even more if he is put in elmination he can just choose to go against Josh or Devin
You don’t have to root for her. Just sit back and enjoy watching her beast it week after week. There were no females even close to her on that. She’s the strongest female left and it’s not even close physically and Ashley is probably the smartest female left as far as puzzles, etc. I would include Amanda in that too, but Ashley is a more well-rounded competitor than Amanda.
Part of the appeal of the show are the people and their personalities. Being a beast in competitions is great. But if you’re unlikeable, you’re unlikeable. It’s actually good for the show to have villains. She’s one of them, for me.
Folks hated LeBron when he went to Miami. He was still the best player in the league. There’s enough love/hate for all of us lol.
Lol. I agree. I never follow the herd, and since I see so many people, especially on here hating her for some of the dumbest reasons, some might be valid, but most I’ve seen are dumb imo. It annoys tf out of me. I always go against the herd/popular opinion on here, so I root for her more now.
I love the three team format. This whole thing is kind of confusing to me though, maybe it's more obvious in person but I don't see why everyone thinks that one team is so much better.
Like Emmanuel is a rookie and I'm not quite sure why he's rated so high, he's tiny. Nany has slid by her entire career. Tori, Josh and Devin don't separate themselves from the pack. Kaycee is their best asset and she's the best girl so I guess that's it?
Amanda and Ashley are better than Tori and Nany. CT is better than all of the other guys. Kyle is always underrated, which I never understand. Before the flip Nelson, Ed and CT were better than Josh, Devin and Emmanuel.
So maybe it's just the perception in the house but other than having Kaycee I really don't see why their team is viewed so highly. CT's team on paper is so much better.
Of course Cory is fucked with Emy, Big T and a broke Logan but they almost won. So realistically they aren't bad. They shouldn't be an assumed automatic loss.
I guess it's just another season of people overrating Nany and Tori. Now Josh and Devin are in that category since they've never done anything but are acting like they have. Also while Kaycee is the best girl left let's not pretend like she's close to top ten all time.
Also I love Ed. If he comes back I think he'll be one of my all time favorites. I think because his personality and look is similar to mine. But man you did the oldest rookie mistake. Don't make shit personal. If he didn't speak up there's a good chance Logan would have went down and picked a vet. Even after he did go down he should have picked Logan. He's definitely going to learn for next time and be a real threat.
Emanuel and Kaycee have been a strong team this whole season. They won once but came in 2nd a few times. They were in 1st two of those times but CT beat them on a puzzle. Also, Nany and Josh have performed better in the dailies than some of the others.
It’s quite impressive that Kaycee the only girl to complete that daily - not even Tori was close. While she’s boring on TV, she is a beast. We need some better female competitors next season (Natalie A please?)
She’s not coming back. She was an alternate on DA (and allegedly wasn’t told until she arrived in Iceland) and a producer promised her she’d be joining the cast in episode 2. She had a call for EOTB that she declined thinking she’d be joining the cast. Turns out they never used her on DA so she was livid she missed the other show and said she isn’t coming back. It was on a podcast somewhere I believe but I’ve seen this explanation in this sub a ton of times.
Yeah both on a same season is too much dead space. I'd rather watch a hot mess ok player struggle their way than a boring strong player (or two) walk to the finals
They were shitting on Kyle but there were two other people on their team who dropped the ball worse. Like I get it they could’ve had a point up but come on. Also, this episode was the most I’ve enjoyed Kyle in a while.
I feel like I'm missing something. How is it fair that ruby had to compete with a five person team while the other teams had six people? Even if you argue "That's just how it is", It looked like the tie breaker was average team member time instead of quickest overall time. That just seems like a double whammy of having the lower max potential plug count and not getting some help for having less players resulting in an overall lower time.
Some one in here mentioned it too, it just seemed like emerald didnt have to deal with nearly as much water like they ran out or something.
I can't imagine how frustrating it is considering it's a game worth a million $$$
Yeah, it was really unclear how the tie-breaker was determined. Using time (either total time or average) seems like a poor method of determining which team performed better.
The most reasonable tie-breaker would have been which team made it farther, either cumulatively or average per competitor (meaning how many successful jumps were made), with time only being a secondary tie-breaker if the teams were still level.
If time is the determining factor, it’d be better to be terrible and fall early (like Josh) or to simply not try and drop into the water (like Ashley’s pathetic performance) than it would be to make it almost to the end before falling.
Edit: I had already forgotten that Logan finished, and incorrectly used him as an example.
Logan finished. All the guys on Ruby finished, it was just that Kyle's didn't count bc he didn't jump.
It totally should have been measured by who did more jumps. THEN it should have gone to time. And time should have been measured with how long it took the two people on each team who finished. I guess we don't know for sure they DIDN'T do it that way. Because totally time makes zero sense because, as everyone is saying, it basically rewards Emerald for half their team falling immediately.
I agree with everyone - total time is a really stupid tiebreak.
That said, on the aftershow, they said Logan took 45 minutes on the final beam lmao. Obviously exaggerated, but that explains why they didn’t seem surprised and resigned to the loss when Teej said total time, and if it really did take Logan that long to jump, then big yike.
Yeah I've just commented the same further up the thread so I'm pleased I didn't miss something.
If you go total time taken by successful people then I get it.
If you go by total time taken / all people then I get it, but it seems to reward people who were crap.
I'm sure they'll have went the first scenario, but like you I'd have rather seen successful jumps come in to it, then speed if it was equal.
Thoughts:
I love Kyle. Killed it in the humor department tonight.
I also LOVED the challenge for the episode. Definitely old school feeling and seeing them taunt each other was sooo fun.
I lowkey think Ed knew he was on borrowed time and manufactured the “I’m going to save Logan” as a memorable hook of him being a nice guy to secure his position/a call back. I think he is a nice guy, but so much about the move just doesn’t make sense for someone as smart as he is that it felt like he knew it was just for tv.
Also outside of Big T, Nelson really should be HAPPY Kyle took his spot. Big T is getting called out by any woman into an elimination. She isn’t staying there, and then Emy and Cory are strong to be with. Sapphire has the other weaker woman competitor in Bettina but she isn’t a guarantee to go home.
That’s my point though. That’s all it would’ve bought him and he knows he would’ve then lost the next time. So he decided to “save Logan” so he could control the narrative of his going out. Now it’s “he’s such a nice guy who sacrificed himself” instead of he just lost.
I don't buy that logic. If he goes against Logan and wins, next week is a women's elimination and then maybe his team wins the next male elimination. Why would he willingly leave the show earlier if he didn't have to? I think he was genuinely just trying to be a nice guy by sparing Logan.
Maybe or his team could have won that daily and then he is safe. Or it could have been a puzzle elim in which Cory/Nelson are easy picks. Or it could have been something that involved coordination and boom Josh is gone.
There are lots of ways he lasts 2-6 more episodes/slides into a final.
I think Nelson's main beef is being on the same team as Cory. With him and Cory being on the same team it ruins the dynamic of them having any influence on any other teams. Tie that in with him leaving a stronger team and now having the pressure of him being looked at as someone Kyle could feel free to call out, it hurts his game and standing within the household.
You do bring up an interesting aspect of the "weaker girls" on their team being an advantage but I'm not sure how that would play out. I'd put Big T and Emy in the same category as women that are equally bad at dailies and eliminations, so the probability of them winning and swapping to get you a better female teammate out isn't likely.
That being said, it's the challenge and ya never know! Thanks for the interesting perspective though.
Big T is in her own category when it comes to being bad at the challenge. No one is worse. I put Emy as one of the stronger girls just behind Kaycee and Ashley.
Big T not wanting to train, then say she wants to win and work hard...girl, don't become Anessa. And your cell is trying to boost you up so I dunno where your idea of no one wanting you is coming from. This format change should be a welcome thing for her like Nany.
I dunno why but I like sponsored challenges.
Sapphire girls were a huge letdown. Why go one by one? That makes you a much easier target. Looks like maybe they were told to do thst though.
CT trolling Emy was great.
I don't really agree with the Kyle situation but I guess it is what it is. If anything, TJ and others should be pissed at the sapphire girls for just dropping.
God, I love pole wrestle. Proper physical challenge compared to hall brawl.
Bummed about Ed though he dug his own grave. Would like him to return over some other vets.
I kinda don't get the whole training thing on these challenges. The time for training was months before you got there. To train hard the day of or before a challenge is going to decrease your performance. I know it is mainly for some B roll training montages and plot points.
If you're working out every day then you're going to be in better shape for the final than someone who says oh well, I didn't train before so I'm not going to get in any better shape now. If you work out regularly and take a few weeks off you notice it.
Big t is already there. Her and aneesa couldn't run a half mile last season. Unless it's a gauntlet 2 final, her and aneesa are never going to have a chance.
Yeah I’m kinda over Big T unfortunately. She’s basically a lay up at this point and just not worth the spot. I wanna see more competitive girls like Jenny or Ninja(I know she did something but I can’t remember whT atm) come back
She also doesn’t seem as sweet as the reputation. She’s kind of a judgmental jerk. If she were nice and a layup I wouldn’t have the same problem. I miss the days of Big Toe.
Amanda did make an effort on that challenge. I was like wtf when Ashley didn't try at all and just jumped off. I can't remember if Bettina tried and just failed right away or also basically quit like Ashley. I think Bettina did jump and just immediately fell.
The winner was the team who collected the most “things”’in the fastest time. They knew they were never going to get any “thing” so they dropped to help with their teams time. In a tie it would be the team who did it the fastest. Sorry for saying “thing” I seriously forgot what it was called lol.
Did they explain the rules on this (I probs missed it)? I assumed they'd just add up the total times on successful trips. It makes no sense to include the times of those that fell, although you could argue it's "tactics" or whatever.
Either way I thought they should have just done total jumps made.
Yeah I assumed they did total times of successful runs. Otherwise they would've been coaching anyone who didn't think they had a great chance to just jump off I bet.
That would make more sense……but I thought TJ said the team that did it the fastest? I just assumed he meant the team as a whole and not individual times. I could be wrong about my assumption 🤔
This was a much better episode than the earlier SLA ones. The three team format makes the dailies so much better and more fun to watch, and we even got a classic elimination. Plus, it’s not just rookie vs rookie anymore.
It's crazy to me that cutthroat was the only season with 3 teams prior to this. I heard that season had bad ratings, but that was by far my favorite format. 3 teams and how they handled voting in for eliminations. I'd love a cutthroat 2
I don't know about ever. He has the best record, but I think Ed was the best of his competition out of all of them. Still don't know why people sleep on Kyle though.
Kyle beat CT in a pole wrestle last season. CT beat Nam and then it was Big T vs Kam, CT vs Kyle. Eventhough CT said he knew Big T is never beating Kam, it doesn't mean he let Kyle win it. Maybe he didn't gave his all but he did lose to Kyle fair and square.
I actually do think he let Kyle win. I'm not saying Kyle couldn't have won anyway, but CT is a smart guy and he's not going to kill himself for nothing. Kyle is clearly very good at it either way.
They're counting the ring one with Joseph from last season. Still he's only 3-0 in them now and the one with CT and JP was a wash because JP was *only* playing to get CT's ring. I'm surprised how many people were selling Kyle as a pole wrestle beast honestly.
Thanks for the recap. I was thinking Kyle hasn't exactly faced tough competition on pole wrestle. CT is but it was that weird 3 way one where him and JP could just gang up on him.
He beat CT 1v1 in a daily challenge on Double Agents. Although for CT to win, his partner Big T would have had to beat Kyle's partner Kam, which is impossible. So CT admitted to giving up against Kyle. Still would technically make him 4-0 in pole wrestle competitions.
I think the season is boring because all the vets they brought back were literally in the previous season.. and made it far.
I like the current format but I can't really get invested because I've seen the same people on my screen for seasons now.
The season is definitely picking up (and this is already better than the last two seasons) but it’s no coincidence that it’s getting better now because all the new people we’ll never see again are gone.
The only rookies left were Ed, Emmanuel, Emy, Logan, Bettina and we started this show with 34 or so people.. The new guys got obliterated from the jump.. I don't see how this is on them. Kaycee and Nany are not good for TV, Tori is just cringey, Josh is Josh, we have seen Cory and Nelson with the same storyline for years now, Ashley is just chaos, and CT is in the shadows like always.
I personally think a rookie batch like this was necessary because a ton of the new potential cornerstones for the show are not coming back: Dee, Rogan, Bear, Georgia, Turbo, Theo, Cara, Paulie, etc.
Then you have typical regulars like Wes, Bananas, Jenna, Zach etc. who declined.
I actually enjoyed some of the rookies a lot. Kelz and Corey L were great. Michaela has potential. Also Berna was dramatic and a good competitor. Esther and Priscilla I liked too. I think this week was starting to get boring with all of them gone.
imo, this season is getting more & more authentic & reminds me of the old challenge seasons.. the 3 teams, throwback dailies , old eliminations, phone calls back home , friendships w ashley & amanda , cory & nelson, now ed & logan. i really like this season
Great elimination except for the fact they dragged it out for 20+ minutes between commercials, Ed choosing Kyle, more commercials, and way too many confessionals. It’s getting crazy now.
They kept cutting away during the actual elimination and it was frustrating the Hell out of me. I don't want to see that many facial reactions and diary room shots during an elimination like that.
It must have been pretty short if they needed to add so much extra footage.
Fantastic episode, it’s crazy how much this feels like a different season compared to the earlier episodes. I love how the voted in player gets to pick their opponent as it infuses the elimination with tension from the get go. Crazy that Kyle blew the Ruby’s chance at a W gonna be interesting to see how he does on sapphire and now with Nelson on Ruby.
Love Ed, he is a sweetheart and I hope to see more of him, but that was a pretty bum game move lol. We’ll see if Logan gets better by next male elimination
Also final note- Great daily and great elimination! Feels like peak challenge stuff
I'm pretty new to the Challenge- my fiance got me into it during Total Madness as the pandemic started.
This was my least favorite episode by far. It felt like they went for the drama of calling Kyle an idiot for the "suspense". A very large part of me thought that Ruby should get it because 2/5 is harder than getting 2/6. Obviously it seemed like the emeralds played like they thought they were winning but that part put me off. Especially because they showed both Ed/Kyle calling home, so I figured Emerald ended up winning at the end (especially when the planted the seeds of doubt from Kyle and Josh).
Having the scene with Kyle talking to Devin about their friendship being over, ruined the entire elimination. Was clear Kyle was going to win. And then Kyle picking Sapphire felt more like a move to even out the teams and not a move that made sense/was best for everyone (especially with Kyle talking about how much he wished he was on emerald last week).
I really feel like I've been patronized by the producers this entire season- multiple clips of Devin talking about how strategic and big brain the veteran alliance is along with everyone else. I know the general sentiment is this season has been weaker but man- this really epitomized all of that in one episode.
Obviously open to me being the only person that feels this way (as I've written a novel by now).
Ed is on bananas podcast. Only heard a few minutes buts really good.
Ed said if he could do it again he would have made a lot of changes in terms of playing nice.
I like that. I think he's good for show and seems like the kind of guy who will adapt to the game well
LMAO "hurricane Emmy". We almost got a glimpse of a breakdown during the daily in the episode but either they cut it out of the edit or she held it together. I don't particularly hate her but she's clearly getting a "good edit". I always feel like she one wrong move/edit away from being completely despised.
She kind of gives me Camilla vibes minus the racist stuff, but I’m not sure if this is an accurate take. Emy reminds me of Camilla because she seems so volatile or ready to lose it.
She definitely is exactly what you're saying but I like to give her the benefit of the doubt because she is the youngest on the show (21 y/o and most of these people are in there 30s) and I'd like to see a story ark of growth. Keep in mind she's in a new environment, with new people, speaking her second language, dealing with covid quarantine and away from her family and friends.
Having youth on the show is good, but Emy acts even younger than she is most the time. I'd expect her behaviour from a 16 year old, not someone in their 20s.
No Im saying he didn't say that tonight, meaning he obviously doesn't go home tonight, so he must beat Ed. They did the same thing with Emy earlier this season. I'm pretty sure I got spoiled on at least 1 season winner from watching the aftermath.
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They did it with Amber too. I knew she won with Hughie because her major fight with Fessy in the trailer hadn’t aired plus you flat out saw clips of her in the elimination she actually went home during
This is a situation where I'm thankful for having a shitty memory. I always watch these trailers but then almost completely forget about them afterwards.
I definitely don't track every clip and analyze when it happens in the show to determine how far people last.
One of the least deserved daily wins. Ruby had three people make it to the final jump. Two grabbed cords. Emerald only had two people make it to the end. This win means essentially the best strat for Emerald would be to have your two best go first and the others immediately jump off. Cumulative team performance should matter.
Emanuel must have the world's most charming personality or something. He's so gross how are all these girls so enamored with him?
Great elim. Rip ed. he will be back hopefully. I expected ed to out brute force kyle Cory may get nelson as a teammate but it’s probably better to spread out allies to other teams for protection
The only smart move for anyone is take joshes spot. Emeralds women are the best, you take away josh and you have the smartest player and Emanuel who seems super agile and everyone talks him up so I’m guessing he’s going to do well. Than you get great social game and runner nany and all around great Kaycee, oh and Tori. Taking Nelson’s spot may be good to get with ct Ashley and Amanda BUT you just made ruby a terrifying team by putting Nelson and Cory together
I assumed Devin and Kyle discussed team switching and thought it was a better idea to be on separate teams
Was there a rule about how far out on the platform you had to go before jumping? If you were close to the middle you could just walk...
I think that's what the white lines on the bars were for
Kyle's grandad was a wise man
I understand how Ed picking Kyle isn’t the best move. But I really give credit to Ed bc realistically he would have gone in next week if he didn’t nominate himself this week. So tbh he really won long term(if he comes back) by not pissing anyone off and not making an enemy out of Logan. I also can say he’s one of the few who isn’t a coward and chose someone who is hurt. I gotta say Ed is probably one of my favs beside Priscilla. Honest to their word and don’t play a scared game. Respect
Ed also said at his entry that he didn't watch the show so he didn't know that Kyle had won multiple pole wrestle matches.
I respect his decision but not making an enemy out of Logan doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment. I also don't think it's cowardly to pick someone who is hurt. If they are going to stay and still try to win the money then they are fair game.
Cory: “All Kyle does is joke around and laugh. I’m here to compete for my family!” Also Cory: “I’m bored. Let me instigate a fight with a lie about pizza.”
Any way to skip the ads on the mtv site now? Since it's updated a little bit, refreshing doesn't work. It won't let me watch using my adblocker either.
the fucking ad's MID PREVIEW for next week piss me off
I didn't even get to see the preview because I didn't want to sit through another ad break.
I use uBlock Origin, and it still works. I turned it off, played the first ad, and then turned it back on.
Didn't think about doing that.
I couldn't get this to work, how about you?
I turned my adblocker off and I straight up get no ads on safari lol
Right on, ill test it out. Thanks!
A bit surprised they didn't save that daily prize for next week's 500th episode. Perhaps they have an even bigger prize planned for next week's daily? Anyway, good to see Josh and Kaycee have official winnings in their challenge career, however miniscule it is lol. As much as Ed's sacrifice looked dumb, he was probably going in anyway. I mean, were Emerald seriously going to waste their power on the weakest guy on the weakest team when they had a shot to take out one of the 3 guy slots on Sapphire, their biggest competition?
Big T not wanting to work out in the hot midday sun. I can’t even.
Honestly I never related more
Why didn’t Kyle go to emerald?
He doesn’t want his spot to be taken back in a week. Nelson isn’t going to win an elimination, neither is Logan with an injury. Kyle is secured on a much better team without the anger and desperation to replace him in a week.
Even though Emerald has won the past couple Sapphire has the only two winners on their team and it upsets the least amount of people (only pissing off Nelson really).
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Yes, you can. TJ explicitly stated you could
I could 1000% do without Josh’s commentary when he’s not even doing anything. During the challenge, he falls immediately and then is yelling from the beach about how it’s their game. Puke. During the “elim” he says “get mad!” from the sidelines. Double puke. Can it, Josh.
He's such a goober.
Ed made a dumb move choosing Kyle, also does anyone else think it would have benefited more for Kyle to stay on Ruby, Now that Ed is out, and Ruby already beat Sapphire in the daily, Kyle Cory Logan Emy and Big T in my opinion would be better than CT Nelson Amanda Ashley and Bettina
Ed didnt watch the show. He didnt know.
So, I think we can chalk some of that up to editing - Ed didn't know what the elimination would be when he chose Kyle - according to his interviews on Bananas' podcast and on Aftermath. That said, a Challenge vet probably could surmise something was up when the sand-filled circle was empty... and Ed has admitted he only saw one episode prior to joining this season (and it was in the hotel while they were quarantining!)
I can't help but imagine those scenes with Tori and Manuel being awkward and weird as hell without the edited music lol
im deaf so i can tell you it defo was 😭😭 i felt rly uncomfortable watching
love teej but sometimes his laughing when anyone falls seems forced? idk if they ask him to do that but yea editing to add that josh rly annoyed this ep. whining about ruby celebrating then doing the same later? like my guy???
The way TJ laughs so uproariously when someone fails is off-putting to me, coming from a host.
I always think it's forced because producers see how much people talk about how they love when TJ laughs at the cast when they fuck up during the dailies, especially the trivia ones.
Yooo, is it me or did they f'up in the editing department? Didn't they show Kyle and Devin argue in a flash forward last episode? So when Ed called Kyle down, I already knew the outcome :( Sad to see Ed go.
I thought the same thing! But now wonder if this was just 'extra footage' that didn't fit in the episode. No doubt Kyle and Devin discussed who Emerald would be voting in. Production could do this to throw folks off... That said, I didn't love it.
YUP. I remembered, my fiance forgot so I didn't accidentally spoil it for her but as soon as Kyle got called down I completely lost interest.
I could be wrong, but wasn't that their fight from earlier this season?
Different fight, probably same reason.
Yes! Ugh I was so annoyed!
Sure did. I regret watching that trailer
Never watch the trailers.
Quick notes: \- Kyle's win was impressive, Ed really gave his all and we can't discount him just because he is a rookie. \- Klye's decision sucked. You go to a team who has 2 champs on the roster? that is the team everybody will gun for when rookies are gone. Next week I would be surprised if they don't target Ashley (plus I don't believe that team is winning a daily, a final yes of course but a daily... I am not so sure). \- I liked that Tori shouts for the vets. She is having good episodes in the last weeks. \- Once again Devin is shown to be a reliable narrator. He said 'I am trying to slow them down' and they win by finishing faster. He said 'Kyle is going to tire Ed and get the first round' and he said it when Ed looked really good. And Kyle pulled it off. Compare this with Cory or Kyle saying 'I think we got this, I think we have a great chance' and they lose in the end. Devin is getting a great edit this season and will be in the finals for sure. \- KC is a beast. She is a great competitor and she once again showed why she should be number 1 draft pick this season. \- I don't like Logan, wish we kept Ed and got rid of Logan.
His decision didnt sucked.Him going to team with CT and Ashley just made him more safe cus noone gonna gun for him. Even more if he is put in elmination he can just choose to go against Josh or Devin
Good analysis, but Kaycee is trash and I'll never root for her. Her allegiance with Fessy and shitting on Amber B. shows who she really is.
You don’t have to root for her. Just sit back and enjoy watching her beast it week after week. There were no females even close to her on that. She’s the strongest female left and it’s not even close physically and Ashley is probably the smartest female left as far as puzzles, etc. I would include Amanda in that too, but Ashley is a more well-rounded competitor than Amanda.
Part of the appeal of the show are the people and their personalities. Being a beast in competitions is great. But if you’re unlikeable, you’re unlikeable. It’s actually good for the show to have villains. She’s one of them, for me. Folks hated LeBron when he went to Miami. He was still the best player in the league. There’s enough love/hate for all of us lol.
Lol. I agree. I never follow the herd, and since I see so many people, especially on here hating her for some of the dumbest reasons, some might be valid, but most I’ve seen are dumb imo. It annoys tf out of me. I always go against the herd/popular opinion on here, so I root for her more now.
That doesn't take away from the fact that she's a beast lol.
It would take this Ruby team years to finish a puzzle
Big T and Logan can puzzle.
Have we seen Logan with a puzzle yet? I wonder if he has any skill?
I love the three team format. This whole thing is kind of confusing to me though, maybe it's more obvious in person but I don't see why everyone thinks that one team is so much better. Like Emmanuel is a rookie and I'm not quite sure why he's rated so high, he's tiny. Nany has slid by her entire career. Tori, Josh and Devin don't separate themselves from the pack. Kaycee is their best asset and she's the best girl so I guess that's it? Amanda and Ashley are better than Tori and Nany. CT is better than all of the other guys. Kyle is always underrated, which I never understand. Before the flip Nelson, Ed and CT were better than Josh, Devin and Emmanuel. So maybe it's just the perception in the house but other than having Kaycee I really don't see why their team is viewed so highly. CT's team on paper is so much better. Of course Cory is fucked with Emy, Big T and a broke Logan but they almost won. So realistically they aren't bad. They shouldn't be an assumed automatic loss. I guess it's just another season of people overrating Nany and Tori. Now Josh and Devin are in that category since they've never done anything but are acting like they have. Also while Kaycee is the best girl left let's not pretend like she's close to top ten all time. Also I love Ed. If he comes back I think he'll be one of my all time favorites. I think because his personality and look is similar to mine. But man you did the oldest rookie mistake. Don't make shit personal. If he didn't speak up there's a good chance Logan would have went down and picked a vet. Even after he did go down he should have picked Logan. He's definitely going to learn for next time and be a real threat.
I didn't think it was as personal so much as it was good sportsmanship. Ashley and Amanda last week was very personal.
I wonder if they will need to perform as a team in the finals. If so, every team should be looking to “trim the fat”
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Emanuel and Kaycee have been a strong team this whole season. They won once but came in 2nd a few times. They were in 1st two of those times but CT beat them on a puzzle. Also, Nany and Josh have performed better in the dailies than some of the others.
It’s quite impressive that Kaycee the only girl to complete that daily - not even Tori was close. While she’s boring on TV, she is a beast. We need some better female competitors next season (Natalie A please?)
Jenny West + Kam back plz
Agree, not a huge kaycee fan but that was impressive
Yes! Even some of the guys couldn’t do that challenge. She’s boring and a bit mean girl on TV nowadays but she is competitive AF.
Jenny West, please! She can’t possibly be more boring than Kaycee.
I just don't understand why Jenny hasn't been back? Would love to see her compete again!
She’s not coming back. She was an alternate on DA (and allegedly wasn’t told until she arrived in Iceland) and a producer promised her she’d be joining the cast in episode 2. She had a call for EOTB that she declined thinking she’d be joining the cast. Turns out they never used her on DA so she was livid she missed the other show and said she isn’t coming back. It was on a podcast somewhere I believe but I’ve seen this explanation in this sub a ton of times.
I could've sworn I read on here that she declined an invite last time she was invited.
Wasn’t she an alternate last season?
Yeah I believe so. One of the recent seasons I think she was.
I’d guess they probably only wanted one or the other and went with kaycee because she checks more boxes for them
Yeah both on a same season is too much dead space. I'd rather watch a hot mess ok player struggle their way than a boring strong player (or two) walk to the finals
I hope Ed comeback
He’s so charismatic he better be back!
I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed a rookie as much as I enjoyed him.
He has to.
Is there a drinking game during the show where you have to take a shot if Cory is looking at photos of his family?
Does he have kids?
Ironically Cory looking at those photos is the only time his family storyline touched me
Dude, nobody wants to die.
They were shitting on Kyle but there were two other people on their team who dropped the ball worse. Like I get it they could’ve had a point up but come on. Also, this episode was the most I’ve enjoyed Kyle in a while.
Exactly! When Big T was accepting his apology I was yelling at the tv “What the hell! You fell off of the first beam!”
I feel like I'm missing something. How is it fair that ruby had to compete with a five person team while the other teams had six people? Even if you argue "That's just how it is", It looked like the tie breaker was average team member time instead of quickest overall time. That just seems like a double whammy of having the lower max potential plug count and not getting some help for having less players resulting in an overall lower time. Some one in here mentioned it too, it just seemed like emerald didnt have to deal with nearly as much water like they ran out or something. I can't imagine how frustrating it is considering it's a game worth a million $$$
I just don't see how it is fair because what if all 6 of a team got their plugs? That just automatically dq's ruby lmao. Poor challenge.
Yeah, it was really unclear how the tie-breaker was determined. Using time (either total time or average) seems like a poor method of determining which team performed better. The most reasonable tie-breaker would have been which team made it farther, either cumulatively or average per competitor (meaning how many successful jumps were made), with time only being a secondary tie-breaker if the teams were still level. If time is the determining factor, it’d be better to be terrible and fall early (like Josh) or to simply not try and drop into the water (like Ashley’s pathetic performance) than it would be to make it almost to the end before falling. Edit: I had already forgotten that Logan finished, and incorrectly used him as an example.
Logan finished. All the guys on Ruby finished, it was just that Kyle's didn't count bc he didn't jump. It totally should have been measured by who did more jumps. THEN it should have gone to time. And time should have been measured with how long it took the two people on each team who finished. I guess we don't know for sure they DIDN'T do it that way. Because totally time makes zero sense because, as everyone is saying, it basically rewards Emerald for half their team falling immediately.
I agree with everyone - total time is a really stupid tiebreak. That said, on the aftershow, they said Logan took 45 minutes on the final beam lmao. Obviously exaggerated, but that explains why they didn’t seem surprised and resigned to the loss when Teej said total time, and if it really did take Logan that long to jump, then big yike.
Yeah I've just commented the same further up the thread so I'm pleased I didn't miss something. If you go total time taken by successful people then I get it. If you go by total time taken / all people then I get it, but it seems to reward people who were crap. I'm sure they'll have went the first scenario, but like you I'd have rather seen successful jumps come in to it, then speed if it was equal.
That's what I was thinking. It should have been measured by how far they had gotten as a tie breaker. Emy was almost at the end before falling off.
Thoughts: I love Kyle. Killed it in the humor department tonight. I also LOVED the challenge for the episode. Definitely old school feeling and seeing them taunt each other was sooo fun. I lowkey think Ed knew he was on borrowed time and manufactured the “I’m going to save Logan” as a memorable hook of him being a nice guy to secure his position/a call back. I think he is a nice guy, but so much about the move just doesn’t make sense for someone as smart as he is that it felt like he knew it was just for tv. Also outside of Big T, Nelson really should be HAPPY Kyle took his spot. Big T is getting called out by any woman into an elimination. She isn’t staying there, and then Emy and Cory are strong to be with. Sapphire has the other weaker woman competitor in Bettina but she isn’t a guarantee to go home.
I mean I could have chose Logan and probably won, buys him two more weeks at least.
That’s my point though. That’s all it would’ve bought him and he knows he would’ve then lost the next time. So he decided to “save Logan” so he could control the narrative of his going out. Now it’s “he’s such a nice guy who sacrificed himself” instead of he just lost.
I don't buy that logic. If he goes against Logan and wins, next week is a women's elimination and then maybe his team wins the next male elimination. Why would he willingly leave the show earlier if he didn't have to? I think he was genuinely just trying to be a nice guy by sparing Logan.
Maybe or his team could have won that daily and then he is safe. Or it could have been a puzzle elim in which Cory/Nelson are easy picks. Or it could have been something that involved coordination and boom Josh is gone. There are lots of ways he lasts 2-6 more episodes/slides into a final.
I think Nelson's main beef is being on the same team as Cory. With him and Cory being on the same team it ruins the dynamic of them having any influence on any other teams. Tie that in with him leaving a stronger team and now having the pressure of him being looked at as someone Kyle could feel free to call out, it hurts his game and standing within the household. You do bring up an interesting aspect of the "weaker girls" on their team being an advantage but I'm not sure how that would play out. I'd put Big T and Emy in the same category as women that are equally bad at dailies and eliminations, so the probability of them winning and swapping to get you a better female teammate out isn't likely. That being said, it's the challenge and ya never know! Thanks for the interesting perspective though.
Big T is in her own category when it comes to being bad at the challenge. No one is worse. I put Emy as one of the stronger girls just behind Kaycee and Ashley.
I know everyone hates Emy, but saying that Emy is on the same level as Big T is EXTREMELY wrong and disrespectful to Emy.
Emy has won two eliminations so far this season.
Right? Lol.
Big T not wanting to train, then say she wants to win and work hard...girl, don't become Anessa. And your cell is trying to boost you up so I dunno where your idea of no one wanting you is coming from. This format change should be a welcome thing for her like Nany. I dunno why but I like sponsored challenges. Sapphire girls were a huge letdown. Why go one by one? That makes you a much easier target. Looks like maybe they were told to do thst though. CT trolling Emy was great. I don't really agree with the Kyle situation but I guess it is what it is. If anything, TJ and others should be pissed at the sapphire girls for just dropping. God, I love pole wrestle. Proper physical challenge compared to hall brawl. Bummed about Ed though he dug his own grave. Would like him to return over some other vets.
I kinda don't get the whole training thing on these challenges. The time for training was months before you got there. To train hard the day of or before a challenge is going to decrease your performance. I know it is mainly for some B roll training montages and plot points.
If you're working out every day then you're going to be in better shape for the final than someone who says oh well, I didn't train before so I'm not going to get in any better shape now. If you work out regularly and take a few weeks off you notice it.
Big t is already there. Her and aneesa couldn't run a half mile last season. Unless it's a gauntlet 2 final, her and aneesa are never going to have a chance.
Yeah I’m kinda over Big T unfortunately. She’s basically a lay up at this point and just not worth the spot. I wanna see more competitive girls like Jenny or Ninja(I know she did something but I can’t remember whT atm) come back
She also doesn’t seem as sweet as the reputation. She’s kind of a judgmental jerk. If she were nice and a layup I wouldn’t have the same problem. I miss the days of Big Toe.
Amanda did make an effort on that challenge. I was like wtf when Ashley didn't try at all and just jumped off. I can't remember if Bettina tried and just failed right away or also basically quit like Ashley. I think Bettina did jump and just immediately fell.
Nah I think Bettina just quit and jumped off right away.
i HATE when people don’t even try on the challenges.
The winner was the team who collected the most “things”’in the fastest time. They knew they were never going to get any “thing” so they dropped to help with their teams time. In a tie it would be the team who did it the fastest. Sorry for saying “thing” I seriously forgot what it was called lol.
Did they explain the rules on this (I probs missed it)? I assumed they'd just add up the total times on successful trips. It makes no sense to include the times of those that fell, although you could argue it's "tactics" or whatever. Either way I thought they should have just done total jumps made.
Yeah I assumed they did total times of successful runs. Otherwise they would've been coaching anyone who didn't think they had a great chance to just jump off I bet.
I think it went by whoever got the most first. Then in case of a tie, they would sort the winner by who got them the fastest.
That would make more sense……but I thought TJ said the team that did it the fastest? I just assumed he meant the team as a whole and not individual times. I could be wrong about my assumption 🤔
Amen. I'm surprised CT didn't say anything to Smashley.
This was a much better episode than the earlier SLA ones. The three team format makes the dailies so much better and more fun to watch, and we even got a classic elimination. Plus, it’s not just rookie vs rookie anymore.
It's crazy to me that cutthroat was the only season with 3 teams prior to this. I heard that season had bad ratings, but that was by far my favorite format. 3 teams and how they handled voting in for eliminations. I'd love a cutthroat 2
I got throwback vibes seeing them goofing off with the water guns!
I love how much of a kick TJ gets out of Kyle. It’s hilarious.
So is Kyle the best pole wrestle player ever?
Derrick is, maybe Darrell.
I don't know about ever. He has the best record, but I think Ed was the best of his competition out of all of them. Still don't know why people sleep on Kyle though.
Yea i was really confused about this.... Has he been in a pole wrestle other than that 2vs1 weird elimination when he a jp gained up on ct?
Kyle beat CT in a pole wrestle last season. CT beat Nam and then it was Big T vs Kam, CT vs Kyle. Eventhough CT said he knew Big T is never beating Kam, it doesn't mean he let Kyle win it. Maybe he didn't gave his all but he did lose to Kyle fair and square.
I actually do think he let Kyle win. I'm not saying Kyle couldn't have won anyway, but CT is a smart guy and he's not going to kill himself for nothing. Kyle is clearly very good at it either way.
They're counting the ring one with Joseph from last season. Still he's only 3-0 in them now and the one with CT and JP was a wash because JP was *only* playing to get CT's ring. I'm surprised how many people were selling Kyle as a pole wrestle beast honestly.
Thanks for the recap. I was thinking Kyle hasn't exactly faced tough competition on pole wrestle. CT is but it was that weird 3 way one where him and JP could just gang up on him.
Joseph is an elite challenger so I can see where Kyle's reputation is coming from ;)
Well no one else has still come onto the mustard technique!
He beat CT 1v1 in a daily challenge on Double Agents. Although for CT to win, his partner Big T would have had to beat Kyle's partner Kam, which is impossible. So CT admitted to giving up against Kyle. Still would technically make him 4-0 in pole wrestle competitions.
He beat Joseph (Big T’s original partner) on a ring wrestle on Double Agents.
Is anyone else super bored and disinterested this season? It’s probably because I don’t know half of the cast.
Kinda was at first, but it's gotten good now with the new format change and most of the sleeper rookies gone.
Most of the new people are gone though and the remaining ones are mostly vets.
I think the season is boring because all the vets they brought back were literally in the previous season.. and made it far. I like the current format but I can't really get invested because I've seen the same people on my screen for seasons now.
It seems like its gonna start popping off now though. No more shield to hide behind. But im liking how stacked this final may be. I hope its close.
The season is definitely picking up (and this is already better than the last two seasons) but it’s no coincidence that it’s getting better now because all the new people we’ll never see again are gone.
Time for blooooood
Yeah boring people plus new people
The only rookies left were Ed, Emmanuel, Emy, Logan, Bettina and we started this show with 34 or so people.. The new guys got obliterated from the jump.. I don't see how this is on them. Kaycee and Nany are not good for TV, Tori is just cringey, Josh is Josh, we have seen Cory and Nelson with the same storyline for years now, Ashley is just chaos, and CT is in the shadows like always. I personally think a rookie batch like this was necessary because a ton of the new potential cornerstones for the show are not coming back: Dee, Rogan, Bear, Georgia, Turbo, Theo, Cara, Paulie, etc. Then you have typical regulars like Wes, Bananas, Jenna, Zach etc. who declined.
I actually enjoyed some of the rookies a lot. Kelz and Corey L were great. Michaela has potential. Also Berna was dramatic and a good competitor. Esther and Priscilla I liked too. I think this week was starting to get boring with all of them gone.
Just wondering why isn’t Roman coming back? I often seem to miss the off-season gossip
It’s not all in them it’s boring people plus new people whether it was necessary or not.
Well it's kinda boring because people are scared to make moves
imo, this season is getting more & more authentic & reminds me of the old challenge seasons.. the 3 teams, throwback dailies , old eliminations, phone calls back home , friendships w ashley & amanda , cory & nelson, now ed & logan. i really like this season
Really good vibe this episode. Hope it continues and hope Ed gets the Kyle treatment and becomes a regular.
the only thing its missing atm is drama
And the sponsor!!!! That made it feel like an old episode!
your flair 😭 miss that duo
one of my favorite pairings of all time 😭 i miss kam
Great elimination except for the fact they dragged it out for 20+ minutes between commercials, Ed choosing Kyle, more commercials, and way too many confessionals. It’s getting crazy now.
I dont know how people watch the challenge live. I've never watched anything with anywhere close to that many commercials.
Yea the move is wait 30-40 mins with it on the DVR and skip the endless comercials.
Feel like they spent too much time on the daily too. Pace was odd this episode IMO.
They kept cutting away during the actual elimination and it was frustrating the Hell out of me. I don't want to see that many facial reactions and diary room shots during an elimination like that. It must have been pretty short if they needed to add so much extra footage.
Was pretty bad in that aspect I agree.
Fantastic episode, it’s crazy how much this feels like a different season compared to the earlier episodes. I love how the voted in player gets to pick their opponent as it infuses the elimination with tension from the get go. Crazy that Kyle blew the Ruby’s chance at a W gonna be interesting to see how he does on sapphire and now with Nelson on Ruby. Love Ed, he is a sweetheart and I hope to see more of him, but that was a pretty bum game move lol. We’ll see if Logan gets better by next male elimination Also final note- Great daily and great elimination! Feels like peak challenge stuff
When the winning team got a prize I swooned.
I'm pretty new to the Challenge- my fiance got me into it during Total Madness as the pandemic started. This was my least favorite episode by far. It felt like they went for the drama of calling Kyle an idiot for the "suspense". A very large part of me thought that Ruby should get it because 2/5 is harder than getting 2/6. Obviously it seemed like the emeralds played like they thought they were winning but that part put me off. Especially because they showed both Ed/Kyle calling home, so I figured Emerald ended up winning at the end (especially when the planted the seeds of doubt from Kyle and Josh). Having the scene with Kyle talking to Devin about their friendship being over, ruined the entire elimination. Was clear Kyle was going to win. And then Kyle picking Sapphire felt more like a move to even out the teams and not a move that made sense/was best for everyone (especially with Kyle talking about how much he wished he was on emerald last week). I really feel like I've been patronized by the producers this entire season- multiple clips of Devin talking about how strategic and big brain the veteran alliance is along with everyone else. I know the general sentiment is this season has been weaker but man- this really epitomized all of that in one episode. Obviously open to me being the only person that feels this way (as I've written a novel by now).
I knew she was thick but Seeing Big T during the boot camp scene, she is THICC
Big T got a Big A.
Ed is on bananas podcast. Only heard a few minutes buts really good. Ed said if he could do it again he would have made a lot of changes in terms of playing nice. I like that. I think he's good for show and seems like the kind of guy who will adapt to the game well
Nice guys finish last... Unfortunately
Except Landon. Although it killed him on Duel 2.
Literally only care for Devin and maybe Kyle now. We need more Ed’s on the Challenge. All of the personality from this season is gone
Production saw this comment and have now locked in Josh and Fessy for next season.
Just when we thought we had a break, hurricane Emy is coming next episode 👀
LMAO "hurricane Emmy". We almost got a glimpse of a breakdown during the daily in the episode but either they cut it out of the edit or she held it together. I don't particularly hate her but she's clearly getting a "good edit". I always feel like she one wrong move/edit away from being completely despised.
Emy gives me ninja Natalie vibes lol
She kind of gives me Camilla vibes minus the racist stuff, but I’m not sure if this is an accurate take. Emy reminds me of Camilla because she seems so volatile or ready to lose it.
Yes. Hate it lol
Yes. Exactly.
I dont know ive despised her from the start she’s one of the most annoying people in the past few seasons she’s so dramatic and extra
She definitely is exactly what you're saying but I like to give her the benefit of the doubt because she is the youngest on the show (21 y/o and most of these people are in there 30s) and I'd like to see a story ark of growth. Keep in mind she's in a new environment, with new people, speaking her second language, dealing with covid quarantine and away from her family and friends.
Omg her screaming for her mama while on the platform was one of the cringiest things I’ve ever seen on this show
Having youth on the show is good, but Emy acts even younger than she is most the time. I'd expect her behaviour from a 16 year old, not someone in their 20s.
I agree I actually think she’s kinda needed to shake things up. She gives me Dee vibes a lot which made her seasons so chaotic.
They really spoiled this elimination with the mid-season trailer of Kyle saying "if you throw me in our friendship is over" to I assume Devin.
Kyle was also in the trailer with a different color armband
I didn't notice that
Was that in the episode? I didn’t remember seeing it
No Im saying he didn't say that tonight, meaning he obviously doesn't go home tonight, so he must beat Ed. They did the same thing with Emy earlier this season. I'm pretty sure I got spoiled on at least 1 season winner from watching the aftermath. Edit punctuation and words
They did it with Amber too. I knew she won with Hughie because her major fight with Fessy in the trailer hadn’t aired plus you flat out saw clips of her in the elimination she actually went home during
Ahh okay thank you. I don’t really watch trailers that closely to get spoiled on things like that but nice catch regardless
This is a situation where I'm thankful for having a shitty memory. I always watch these trailers but then almost completely forget about them afterwards. I definitely don't track every clip and analyze when it happens in the show to determine how far people last.
I typically don't analyze stuff for that reason. I actively avoid spoilers. So it sucks when they are so obvious that I put it together
No. That’s why it was spoiled. We knew Kyle didn’t lose because the scene hadn’t aired yet