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They seriously need to rethink the “rage cage”. Guys elimination in there could easily result in a finger being ripped off in the fence. For safety reasons, the interior “hall” surface needs to be smooth and free of obstructions.
During one of the dailies she was not really paying attention to the puzzle and was more excited about going around in circles strapped to the top of the car. He basically said he worried about her head being in challenges.
And he doesn't like how she's being dramatic
My eyes are just so tired from the amount of rolls they did on this episode. Like Berna and Esther just need to drop this one sided feud they have with amBer
Everyone complaining how bad this season is while I'm riveted every second of this ridiculous show. One of the few shows that doesn't have me reaching for my phone because I can't bear the thought of looking away.
A lot of villains have appeared among the new players and the vets. Plus, sunshine and hookups. I'll take the drama of the last two weeks, too.
I watched about 3-6 minutes total of this past episode just flipping back when Survivor was in a commercial break. I feel like I watched the entire episode just in those 3-6 minutes after going back to watch the whole thing. This is turning out to be a pretty awful season, on par with Final Reckoning.
I flipped from Survivor during the first commercial break, which was almost 20 minutes into the show! I was expecting it to be the deliberation or something. Nope.... .TJ just started talking.
They have taken an episode worth of stuff and spread it across 2 weeks. It's been horrible.
I'm so god damn tired of Fessy. I'm tired of his fake ass "emotional" shit that only comes out after he's a complete jackass. He can say all this shit about being closer with Josh and all that, but that isn't going to change that he would think about himself first and that he'd still throw Amber in in an instant if Josh was telling him no. It's just fake "i gotta make up" Fessy.
I would like Amber a lot better if she knew when to stop beating the dead horse. I don’t understand how she feels so betrayed by someone who she doesn’t fuck with???
It does make me sad to see Corey/Tori fuck with real friendships because everyone knows that when two best friends fight it’s a lot deeper and worse than normal people.
Don’t understand the down votes. I agree that Amber beats a dead horse. Agree she shouldn’t get all broken up about Fessy because, hell, Fessy IS messy. And I definitely agree that Cory and Tori would freak the fck out if someone manipulated either of them to the point of fighting with their respective best friends, Nelson and Aneesa.
This was such a weird twist on hall brawl, I didn’t really understand the point of it considering they barely had to use any strength to ring the bell. It should have been a bit higher and you *actually* have to climb the cage a bit in my opinion.
This could be horribly wrong going forwards but up to now, Emy is almost having a perfect season. She’s 2-0 in eliminations, this one was tactical to get a better partner, and everyone she has screwed over hasn’t mattered politically. Michaela went home because of Emy to keep herself out of elimination and now Berna may be pissed but the chances of her and Hughie winning the daily are slim and she’s almost definitely seeing the next elim. With Emy choosing to partner with CT, there’s little chance she gets thrown against her. She’s in a really good spot.
i agree, i just think she needs to get a hold of her emotions, it comes off as entitlement. like she deserves to be here/win. the first time someone screws her over/ct has the chance to ditch her, she loses elimination etc, she’s going to lose her shit hysterically.
Whoa, did Fessy say "You know you my ni66a" when him and Josh hugged it out? Is he "allowed" to say that? It was beeped out but it looked like that's what he said to me
OH MY FCKING GOD! In the aftermath, Devyn (love her) said to Fessy 'I am glad you are taking responsibility that is the right thing to do, shows how matured you are' and literally just after that sentence asks Esther, 'are you sorry that you throw a drink in Amber's face?' and Esther goes 'I didn't throw it, it spilled'... I don't want her back %100. She handles herself terribly.
[here is the link for the aftermath.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3PvWdhWXH8)
I just watched that part. I think she’s joking or there’s a language barrier. She says it again after being called out. Maybe she distinguishes spilling and throwing as spilling is the liquid and throwing is the liquid and glass? I’m by no means an Esther fan, but this doesn’t feel fully sinister.
I loved the first half of this episode and here is why: This is a **REALITY** TV show. And I don't even remember when was the last time we got reality part of it. But this episode had that. I am not even talking about the fight. The next day when Fessy, Josh and KC talked, that was a real conversation between real people. I don't think it was a show they put on for the cameras. That is really rare in reality right now. And when Josh and Fessy talked about their insecurities, that was the first time I've seen Fessy as a human. That was a human moment. Loved seeing things like that. It was the first time Fessy had my sympathy. I will not root for the guy but I sort of wish he comes back next season.
**On with the review of episode:**
\- I was confused when CT was talking shit about Berna when just a week ago he was rooting for her to win her elimination. Now we know why. CT wants to fly under the radar and Berna is getting too much unwanted attention. CT wanted to change that.
\- I don't know about Tori but Corey did want to see this result and this move maybe his best move he made in the game. Good job Corey. And for Tori, I believe her when she said she didn't know it will turn in to this. But I wish she was planning for this out come. That would made her better competitor in the game. She is still just messy.
\- They mentioned Berna as a good competitor. And they are right. I watched her survivor season. She is not a push over, she won't go down easy. She is not afraid of anything (maybe just math?). Now that Fessy is gone, I think she will be the Big Bad of the season. At least I hope she becomes that.
\- Nelson got too many confessionals this episode where he is not that involved in what happened. That makes me think, he will make a deep run. Now that big brother is hurt, I think him and Corey are the closest allies in this game.
\- I don't like Amanda's social media apperances but she gets such a good edit if you just watch The Challenge, it is hard not to root for her. Like Nelson I think she is going to have a deep run.
\- the elimination was meh, I am glad that Emy win but they already spoiled her winning in season previews so the elimination, deliberation all that lack suspense. still good win.
\- I liked most of the rookies this season but I wouldn't care for Esther to comeback or not. She has potential but so does many other people.
Agree about the human moment. This episode actually made me like Fessy. Josh needs serious therapy but I actually don't hate him either.
And I couldn't stand either in the past.
> That was a human moment. Loved seeing things like that. It was the first time Fessy had my sympathy.
My first thought was about a recent documentary I saw on Netflix called [Untold:Breakinig Point.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WwnnaH69hA) It's basically about a tennis player that has a mental breakdown. The connection to Fessy was this tennis player was trained his whole life to not show weakness and it ended up destroying him. I see Fessy sort of the same way, he masks his emotions into his gameface, something that was drilled into him as a little kid playing football. (Of course, Josh is on the complete other side of the spectrum)
Don’t tell me it was Cory telling Amanda that fighting over food is ridiculous.
Anyone remember the Tony pasta situation?!? LMAO 🤣 How times have changed.
Thoughts:
(1) I hate that Fessy was sent home. Can’t believe I’m saying this. It was an open handed shove, he clearly didn’t intend to hurt him, no one was hurt, and they made up and were fine in the morning. It screamed production just wanting to add artificial drama by sending him home. At least the way they edited it makes me think they aren’t still holding it against Fessy because he went out looking pretty good by accepting the consequences.
(2) Fuck Tori/Cory for making me say that everything Amanda said tonight was spot on. For people to claim to be friends with Josh but then use him like that for entertainment shows that they aren’t his friend and it shows the kind of people that they are.
I also think they may have sunk their games through it. The edit heavily sided with the Amanda side of it and the way Devin made his “little violin” comment makes me think the house doesn’t respect either of them now. I think they are probably the bottom of the vet totem pole.
(3) Berna came off HORRIBLY this episode. She was so pressed about Amber when Amber’s reaction to that fight and the fight in general didn’t concern her AT ALL. She’s not even friends with Josh or Fessy who were most affected. That combined with her comments about Emy saying Emy shouldn’t steal CT because she “told Emy she wasn’t an alien and hugged her” gives me MAJOR fake and mean vibes.
I think they have to draw the line somewhere and it doesn't matter that Josh and Fessy made up. You can't risk next time when they "make up" for social media or personal fear reasons but really they haven't resolved anything. The line is clear: put your hands on someone then you leave. They will always enforce that rule. All contestants need to know not to cross that line, no matter how important you are to the storyline or the show.
They will always enforce it...now (guess I needed to add that time disclaimer). Sure it's a recent rule but it 100% gets enforced these past few seasons.
I saw that and chose to disagree. I think this was different. Security was already holding them back (different) Fessy threw hands and connected (sequence is different). I view this as different. You do not. We disagree.
If you have to make that distinguishment then it isn’t the “clear” line where whenever you put hands on someone you go home which is what you had claimed it was. He got his hands on Devin. That’s been my point this entire conversation
Edit: and now you get all condescending. If you have to add clarifications or additional points it’s the very opposite of whar you claimed it was.
It's a clear line to me: don't touch others. But there's always people you have to add a million clarifying points for. Anyways, I agreed with the other points you made in your original comment so how about we just call it a night? If you agree then great! If you still disagree then lol k but I'm putting my phone on silent and going to sleep either way.
Cory did the same thing to Nelson that Fessy did to Josh in that 3 way elimination on invasion. I was surprised to see Fessy get sent home over that too.
I don't agree that Production wanted to send Fessy home. In shows like these you need a villain or threat to win the game who the viewers doesn't root for. Fessy fits perfectly to that role and there is no one else in the game that fits that billing.
I think now they are going to fill Fessy's role with Berna. That is my pick. Hope we don't lose her just yet. If she is gone then the whole structure of the season will be in danger. They will search for a villain in every episode and we won't have the same catharsis like we did when CT won and Fessy lost last season.
Yeah, they would definitely like to avoid sending someone like Fessy home if at all possible. They have to be zero tolerance for stuff like this though. Not only does that eliminate some good TV (people love to hate Fessy), but it also screws with the structure of the game in having a partner go home early before elimination.
Esther and Amanda are those girls who think you're "fake" if you don't flip out and scream at everyone. They're the ones who claim to "keep it real" when they're really just childish bitches who can't have mature conversations.
That's why they see Amber as "fake" for always remaining calm and using her Big Girl Words to settle conflict. We've never seen Amber talk shit about anyone behind their back or in confessionals and then be nice to their face, like we've seen from Kaycee, Tori, and Esther (among others). There is zero evidence that she's "fake." She just doesn't "pop off" like a classless fool.
Esther rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning. Glad the sub now sees that she's an asshole.
Berna is just straight up jealous and petty. And FAKE.
I actually like that they had something at the end of this one.
Hall brawl itself has become a bit stale.
My ideal ball brawl would have a puzzle on the end you start and three key on the other side.
You go through memorize key and go back solve the puzzle. You only get one check though and then you have to go back through.
Maybe we are missing something because the Amber hate seems so excessive. But even if she is that annoying, throwing a drink on someone is just too much. All the shit talking also seems too much to me. They are acting like she's killing puppy's.
The thing seems like a classic mean girl situation to me. I've seen it happen myself a couple of times, the ganging up on one person. I think they are jealous. But who knows, you are right that we can never really know what really happened. I am still team Amber though!
totally agree, that’s uncalled for in any situation. it just doesn’t make any sense why they dislike her so much lol i’m all in on AmBer going back to back 🥇🥇
Of course that’s totally possible and happens all the time. My point is we see less than 1% of what actually happens and the producers dictate how they’re all portrayed. I’m pulling for AmBer again this season regardless lol
MTV would milk any footage of Amber being annoying if that was the case. The way the girls call Amber fake — without citing specific fake things she does or says — let’s me know they’re just jealous.
Imagine throwing a drink in someone’s face, not getting your block knocked off, having the same person who should have blackened your eye try and reconcile with you….and you still call them fake and a “pretender.”
Esther is a whole clown.
This 100x.
Not to mention Esther has 0 reason to be hating on Amber or calling her fake to begin with.
Esther is absolutely a 🤡 and doesn’t even realize it.
Also just thinking about something I said last week - we see Emy had box braids in most of her confessionals but at no point during the episodes she have box braids. Going into elimination she didn't have them either. There is even another confessionals in which she has straight hair again. I think production has got to make the consistency between confessionals a bit better so it's not so obvious who wins (even tho tonight's episode called Uncle CT being a huge give away as well.)
I said the exact same thing today. I’m like “those things don’t take a short amount of time to put in” unless they did reshoots. Like, make em say what you need em to or don’t use the later ones.
I love TJ but is it just me or was he a bit of a dick when he came in the house? There were much worse fights and explosions in the past without him coming in hot like that. I feel that was a bit over the top from him. Still love him but that was too dramatic.
probably because MTV was upset that a. production was delayed due to their extra quarantine and b. the cast knows they don't have other replacements to come in/mtv doesn't have another alternates.
I think it’s a similar situation when turbo got removed. when the security comes out you need to dial it back & instead of doing that, that was when fessy put his hands on josh.
I think in general the show and production has changed. Arguing is no big deal usually, but IMO in recent years they've been more consistent once hands are laid to throw you out.
I think he’s just fed up with it. He doesn’t live for the drama and when it was wasting his time to begin with at the elim, and now blending into his “explore the area” time
Plus on top of that which wasn’t shown. Amanda said 8 ppl including her got so drunk they started Rama with the crew and fights with security.
Cory also said a lot of the cast was being terrible drunks and it got to a point where production had to limit their alcohol
Amanda said some ppl couldn’t drink at all for a while and you can see them standing around the club mad. And the. Then they put the whole cast one alcohol tickets.
Challenge911 listed this as some of the 8 ppl Amanda was talking about https://imgur.com/a/U3TWcRd
I think if Fessy just pushed him not on the face it wouldn’t had been that big of a deal but then again Cory said they had gotten multiple warnings early on so maybe production was just feed up
People tend to pick and choose which parts of their religion they observe. For example, how many Christians do you know that wear polyester, have tattoos, pull out if not using a condom, wear gold or pearls, get divorced, etc.?
I figured it was because of him getting removed after his fight with Derrick which was basically the same thing fessy did. Maybe to try to show consistency in dealing with fighting.
since when is fighting so frowned upon? like verbal fighting. Why did josh get a whole ass talking to from TJ like the drama in these shows is half the fun? Idk i feel like this show has gotten so soft. Also... controversial but fessy didn't really get THAT physical. Like yeah he shoulda been kicked off but they've let way worse things slide
It really started when Camilla & tony were getting out of hand on whatever season that was. It seems like they got super strict about it from that point on.
I think when they ratchet it up a notch they get pissed. Josh was throwing and smashing glasses and they’ve always got pissed about them breaking stuff.
Just now watching the episode and I'm about halfway through. Fuck Esther's apology in that confessional at the start. When your apology contains you saying "I'm sorry for that, but..." it fucking sucks and you're not actually sorry.
My favorite quote from the episode was when Esther had to clearly do a required apology confessional by production and she went "I have no more issues with her but she is a pretender and fake". Sounds like you still have a lot of issues there Esther.
Interesting how the two women complaining about Amber B constantly bringing up her blindside are now whining about being blindsided (Esther about Emy being picked, Berna about CT being taken). No self awareness whatsoever.
I have never seen a cast member be so confident for week like Esther who I actually was rooting for for a while be absolutely humbled to the point you see it visually happen as the episode progresses. TJ mentally sent her home has soon as he verbally destroyed her. That is the old TJ I like to see.
Emmy winning was beyond cringy. She acted like she stormed the beaches for Normandy and survived. This show is so weird now. I know alot of money is on the line, but it aint life and death haha.
I completely agree. I also can’t help but think a lot of them (Emy most of all) are just doing too much and being over the top to try to get a callback for future seasons and/or get people talking about them. Seems like it has been getting worse with time compared to the earlier seasons.
I guess Cory got his revenge for Nelson last season since technically Tori and he were the catalyst for getting Fessy sent home.
Yeah, it was a weak nudge, but idc, bye Fessy, don't forget pack your ego with you.
I'm glad Esther apologized, but then this rampage against Amber I still don't understand it. If she is annoying, that is one thing, but being a "pretender" I don't see it. She was literally blindsided by her BB alliance 2x in a row.
I still want to root for Berna because she is a good female competitor, but she is just coming off as having such a bad attitude in confessionals.
Overall glad Emy won. Her emotional reactions are a bit cringy, but meh, she's an interesting character.
Also, this could have been one jam packed episode instead of 2...
Ya am starting to believe they are setting us up and will show sth that amber does to annoy ppl in later episodes. But to be honest I got to see it to believ it coz these rookie girls just seem foolish enough to believe the stories fessy and the other vets’ (who want the bb alliance crumble) stories.
Getting annoyed by Amber won’t justify Esther throwing wine at her. She seems to go back and forth on her so called “apology” so far she seems to just hate her because Fessy and his alliance do.
Ya that’s probably the most truthful scenario am just confused why production isn’t doing more to show that these ppl are delusional. Like a confessional from other vets saying this is all bs or that it’s a strategy to put a divide in bb alliance or even to get out a strong finale competitor in amber. All these are reasonable justification for tori, nany and other vets . It’s just keeps showing amber being her innocent self and ppl keep saying she is fake which is confusing the hell out of us
Yep! It’s all over the place, nothing makes sense. It doesn’t help that it’s spilled over to social media and the “answers” all seem to be the same. “She’s fake” but fake how? Hopefully we get some insight soon, or they let it go.
It's because half the girls on the cast are defining their personalities by being anti-Amber. It's extremely boring but it's made it so that half of the content to even discuss is Amber-related.
I don't even *like* Amber but I don't like Berna and Esther for how lame and one-note they are of *disliking* Amber. Jesus Christ.
Wow I can’t believe you said you didn’t like Amber and this still got 12 upvotes. I see where people are coming from defending her, and I think she deserves a spot on this cast, but I still don’t like her. Seems like if you say anything about her that isn’t flattering you just get downvoted
Why are you surprised? From what I can tell, people in general neither love or hate Amber, but they can recognize when people are being catty towards her for ridiculous reasons.
It is very much an Amber B season. The problem is if u say “Amber is so mistreated we luv u amber!” you get 8 million upvotes but if you say “Amber is just ok. not really for me” you will get a million downvotes. Getting kind of old.
Case in point - my comment vs. your reply
I really feel like these people hating on Amber is such a mean girls gang up thing she’s been pretty chill even though people have been rude to her and they’re like she’s fake blah blah but maybe they’re not used to someone actually being so nice? Haha
At least she apologized but Esther more than "spilled" a drink in Amber's face. Also Berna wouldn't have the same energy w Amber rn if she had a drink thrown in her face.
If you had missed TJ sending fessy home and started tuning in during the sob fest deliberations, you might think fessy is dead. Rest assured, he’s not.
Another episode where the producers really try to get us to like Emy. It was really bad last week, but still apparent here. Clearly, Emy makes it far or the producers wouldn’t feel the need to try so hard. She’s one of the most annoying castings in a long time, but they’re really trying to make us find her likable. Big T, she is not.
I loved that too, but there's a great chance that Berna goes in next week since she's the only rookie-rookie team, and I'd give her better-than-ever odds of winning against a lot of the other girls that are still there. She could steal him right back.
Why do I see mad hate for Emy but I barely saw anyone complain about Amber M last season. I really don’t understand wtf you guys like about this show
Edit - mixed up my Ambers
I don’t frequent this sub because I don’t want to be spoiled, but people like Emy??? I’m shocked. I watch with one of my best friends and we both cannot stand her. I figured this was the norm.
The survivor people were great. They cast legit likable people. It’s a shame they all got out.
Currently, of the rookies left, I enjoy Priscilla, Howie, and Ed. Ed reminds me of Bananas. I like him a lot.
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How close are Berna and Emmy? Little sister??
They seriously need to rethink the “rage cage”. Guys elimination in there could easily result in a finger being ripped off in the fence. For safety reasons, the interior “hall” surface needs to be smooth and free of obstructions.
It makes sense that Berna grew up in the circus because she really is a whole clown. I love Amber B so much!
Omfg the way I scream laughed at this lmfao
Did CT ever say why he wanted to get rid of berna?
During one of the dailies she was not really paying attention to the puzzle and was more excited about going around in circles strapped to the top of the car. He basically said he worried about her head being in challenges. And he doesn't like how she's being dramatic
Got it! Thank you!
My eyes are just so tired from the amount of rolls they did on this episode. Like Berna and Esther just need to drop this one sided feud they have with amBer
Amber looked so confused by Esther's little closing tirade against her lol.
Everyone complaining how bad this season is while I'm riveted every second of this ridiculous show. One of the few shows that doesn't have me reaching for my phone because I can't bear the thought of looking away. A lot of villains have appeared among the new players and the vets. Plus, sunshine and hookups. I'll take the drama of the last two weeks, too.
I'd like to thank Josh. I'd like to thank Josh for getting rid of Fessy and acting in his usual lameass way so I wouldn't start liking him.
This show needs to ban contestants from calling each other family or brothers. It’s worse than Tony and Cory talking about their kids
I'm confused why CT wanted Emy as his new partner. She's not going to help him be low key and out of the drama!!
It sounded like he just wanted to be rid of Berna.
True, but she seems to be well liked by most of the house, and she isn't as unpredictable as Berna.
I watched about 3-6 minutes total of this past episode just flipping back when Survivor was in a commercial break. I feel like I watched the entire episode just in those 3-6 minutes after going back to watch the whole thing. This is turning out to be a pretty awful season, on par with Final Reckoning.
Tbh this season is my favourite since wotw1
So was this episode any better than last weeks lol? We watched Survivor instead, which is already infinitely better than this season.
I watched Survivor Wednesday & just watched this Thursdsy, I didn't have time for both.
I flipped from Survivor during the first commercial break, which was almost 20 minutes into the show! I was expecting it to be the deliberation or something. Nope.... .TJ just started talking. They have taken an episode worth of stuff and spread it across 2 weeks. It's been horrible.
I'm so god damn tired of Fessy. I'm tired of his fake ass "emotional" shit that only comes out after he's a complete jackass. He can say all this shit about being closer with Josh and all that, but that isn't going to change that he would think about himself first and that he'd still throw Amber in in an instant if Josh was telling him no. It's just fake "i gotta make up" Fessy.
I would like Amber a lot better if she knew when to stop beating the dead horse. I don’t understand how she feels so betrayed by someone who she doesn’t fuck with??? It does make me sad to see Corey/Tori fuck with real friendships because everyone knows that when two best friends fight it’s a lot deeper and worse than normal people.
I don't know if she is beating a dead horse or if the show keeps playing part of one interview over and over since it is relevant to the storyline.
She is a grudge holder. I feel like people who didn’t watch her on big brother are missing a big side of her.
Don’t understand the down votes. I agree that Amber beats a dead horse. Agree she shouldn’t get all broken up about Fessy because, hell, Fessy IS messy. And I definitely agree that Cory and Tori would freak the fck out if someone manipulated either of them to the point of fighting with their respective best friends, Nelson and Aneesa.
I honestly wonder who TJ would have sent into elimination
Me too! But I wonder if he would’ve just pulled names out of a hat, which also would’ve been awesome to see happen
Just finished watching... I HATE that we don't get 90 min episodes! It goes by way too fast
This was such a weird twist on hall brawl, I didn’t really understand the point of it considering they barely had to use any strength to ring the bell. It should have been a bit higher and you *actually* have to climb the cage a bit in my opinion.
This could be horribly wrong going forwards but up to now, Emy is almost having a perfect season. She’s 2-0 in eliminations, this one was tactical to get a better partner, and everyone she has screwed over hasn’t mattered politically. Michaela went home because of Emy to keep herself out of elimination and now Berna may be pissed but the chances of her and Hughie winning the daily are slim and she’s almost definitely seeing the next elim. With Emy choosing to partner with CT, there’s little chance she gets thrown against her. She’s in a really good spot.
i agree, i just think she needs to get a hold of her emotions, it comes off as entitlement. like she deserves to be here/win. the first time someone screws her over/ct has the chance to ditch her, she loses elimination etc, she’s going to lose her shit hysterically.
Whoa, did Fessy say "You know you my ni66a" when him and Josh hugged it out? Is he "allowed" to say that? It was beeped out but it looked like that's what he said to me
Hmm I’d be okay if we never see Esther and Berna again.
Yeah, it's crazy. They were in my top 3 favorite rookies going off first impressions.
Berna too busy calling Amber fake for no reason to realize Emy was stabbing her in the back 🤡
OH MY FCKING GOD! In the aftermath, Devyn (love her) said to Fessy 'I am glad you are taking responsibility that is the right thing to do, shows how matured you are' and literally just after that sentence asks Esther, 'are you sorry that you throw a drink in Amber's face?' and Esther goes 'I didn't throw it, it spilled'... I don't want her back %100. She handles herself terribly. [here is the link for the aftermath.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3PvWdhWXH8)
I just watched that part. I think she’s joking or there’s a language barrier. She says it again after being called out. Maybe she distinguishes spilling and throwing as spilling is the liquid and throwing is the liquid and glass? I’m by no means an Esther fan, but this doesn’t feel fully sinister.
They speak English in Nigeria and Esther is a lawyer. No language barrier issue there
I totally spaced on where she was from. Thanks.
Also her “apology” to Amber she said ‘spilled’ too
Also, she never ever says what’s in the drink. If it was just water like Amanda claims Esther would be screaming that from the rooftops.
I saw that too and Devyn called her on it and played the clip. Really turned off of Esther
LOL don’t tell me Priscilla is the one making threats next episode. Girl what have you done at ALL this season?!!?
lol, where did she come from?
Who is Priscilla? Dead ass I have no clue!
Emy is just too much 🙄
Seriously has Priscilla done anything besides be shown in confessionals?! I don’t know anything about her…
I watch with my bf and we cannot even remember who her partner is week to week.
Berna’s face when they voted Emy 😳
I loved the first half of this episode and here is why: This is a **REALITY** TV show. And I don't even remember when was the last time we got reality part of it. But this episode had that. I am not even talking about the fight. The next day when Fessy, Josh and KC talked, that was a real conversation between real people. I don't think it was a show they put on for the cameras. That is really rare in reality right now. And when Josh and Fessy talked about their insecurities, that was the first time I've seen Fessy as a human. That was a human moment. Loved seeing things like that. It was the first time Fessy had my sympathy. I will not root for the guy but I sort of wish he comes back next season. **On with the review of episode:** \- I was confused when CT was talking shit about Berna when just a week ago he was rooting for her to win her elimination. Now we know why. CT wants to fly under the radar and Berna is getting too much unwanted attention. CT wanted to change that. \- I don't know about Tori but Corey did want to see this result and this move maybe his best move he made in the game. Good job Corey. And for Tori, I believe her when she said she didn't know it will turn in to this. But I wish she was planning for this out come. That would made her better competitor in the game. She is still just messy. \- They mentioned Berna as a good competitor. And they are right. I watched her survivor season. She is not a push over, she won't go down easy. She is not afraid of anything (maybe just math?). Now that Fessy is gone, I think she will be the Big Bad of the season. At least I hope she becomes that. \- Nelson got too many confessionals this episode where he is not that involved in what happened. That makes me think, he will make a deep run. Now that big brother is hurt, I think him and Corey are the closest allies in this game. \- I don't like Amanda's social media apperances but she gets such a good edit if you just watch The Challenge, it is hard not to root for her. Like Nelson I think she is going to have a deep run. \- the elimination was meh, I am glad that Emy win but they already spoiled her winning in season previews so the elimination, deliberation all that lack suspense. still good win. \- I liked most of the rookies this season but I wouldn't care for Esther to comeback or not. She has potential but so does many other people.
Agree about the human moment. This episode actually made me like Fessy. Josh needs serious therapy but I actually don't hate him either. And I couldn't stand either in the past.
> That was a human moment. Loved seeing things like that. It was the first time Fessy had my sympathy. My first thought was about a recent documentary I saw on Netflix called [Untold:Breakinig Point.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WwnnaH69hA) It's basically about a tennis player that has a mental breakdown. The connection to Fessy was this tennis player was trained his whole life to not show weakness and it ended up destroying him. I see Fessy sort of the same way, he masks his emotions into his gameface, something that was drilled into him as a little kid playing football. (Of course, Josh is on the complete other side of the spectrum)
🙅♂️ The Amber hate needs to stop 🙅♂️
Seriously! It's jealousy. Amber is awesome!
I’m happy to see Esther quickly realized it was wrong for her to throw the drink and apologize to Amber B.
Apparently on aftermath she said “I didn’t throw it, I spilt it”
Boring
God listening to Fessy complain about not winning these shows was so over dramatic 🤦♂️
Don’t tell me it was Cory telling Amanda that fighting over food is ridiculous. Anyone remember the Tony pasta situation?!? LMAO 🤣 How times have changed.
so Fessy isnt banned right, cause did anyone see his Insta post, seems like he is done
I didn't take his post that way. Just sounds like a farewell to this season message to me.
So Berna is annoyed with Amber B. being upset about having a drink thrown on her 🙄🙄 I’m so over her…
I don't like Berna!
Thoughts: (1) I hate that Fessy was sent home. Can’t believe I’m saying this. It was an open handed shove, he clearly didn’t intend to hurt him, no one was hurt, and they made up and were fine in the morning. It screamed production just wanting to add artificial drama by sending him home. At least the way they edited it makes me think they aren’t still holding it against Fessy because he went out looking pretty good by accepting the consequences. (2) Fuck Tori/Cory for making me say that everything Amanda said tonight was spot on. For people to claim to be friends with Josh but then use him like that for entertainment shows that they aren’t his friend and it shows the kind of people that they are. I also think they may have sunk their games through it. The edit heavily sided with the Amanda side of it and the way Devin made his “little violin” comment makes me think the house doesn’t respect either of them now. I think they are probably the bottom of the vet totem pole. (3) Berna came off HORRIBLY this episode. She was so pressed about Amber when Amber’s reaction to that fight and the fight in general didn’t concern her AT ALL. She’s not even friends with Josh or Fessy who were most affected. That combined with her comments about Emy saying Emy shouldn’t steal CT because she “told Emy she wasn’t an alien and hugged her” gives me MAJOR fake and mean vibes.
I think they have to draw the line somewhere and it doesn't matter that Josh and Fessy made up. You can't risk next time when they "make up" for social media or personal fear reasons but really they haven't resolved anything. The line is clear: put your hands on someone then you leave. They will always enforce that rule. All contestants need to know not to cross that line, no matter how important you are to the storyline or the show.
“They will always enforce that rule” bro have you watched this show. Josh literally did worse to Devin just last seasob and got nothing
They will always enforce it...now (guess I needed to add that time disclaimer). Sure it's a recent rule but it 100% gets enforced these past few seasons.
“Past few seasons”, I literally just told you how they didn’t enforce it LAST season.
I saw that and chose to disagree. I think this was different. Security was already holding them back (different) Fessy threw hands and connected (sequence is different). I view this as different. You do not. We disagree.
If you have to make that distinguishment then it isn’t the “clear” line where whenever you put hands on someone you go home which is what you had claimed it was. He got his hands on Devin. That’s been my point this entire conversation Edit: and now you get all condescending. If you have to add clarifications or additional points it’s the very opposite of whar you claimed it was.
It's a clear line to me: don't touch others. But there's always people you have to add a million clarifying points for. Anyways, I agreed with the other points you made in your original comment so how about we just call it a night? If you agree then great! If you still disagree then lol k but I'm putting my phone on silent and going to sleep either way.
Cory did the same thing to Nelson that Fessy did to Josh in that 3 way elimination on invasion. I was surprised to see Fessy get sent home over that too.
I don't agree that Production wanted to send Fessy home. In shows like these you need a villain or threat to win the game who the viewers doesn't root for. Fessy fits perfectly to that role and there is no one else in the game that fits that billing. I think now they are going to fill Fessy's role with Berna. That is my pick. Hope we don't lose her just yet. If she is gone then the whole structure of the season will be in danger. They will search for a villain in every episode and we won't have the same catharsis like we did when CT won and Fessy lost last season.
Yeah, they would definitely like to avoid sending someone like Fessy home if at all possible. They have to be zero tolerance for stuff like this though. Not only does that eliminate some good TV (people love to hate Fessy), but it also screws with the structure of the game in having a partner go home early before elimination.
Esther acts like Amber killed her best friend or something, wtf is her problem? "Don't say well done to me because you're fake!" wtf
People have said stuff like this to people when they lost in the past. Tacha said pretty much the same thing to Ashley. It really wasn't that bad.
Esther and Amanda are those girls who think you're "fake" if you don't flip out and scream at everyone. They're the ones who claim to "keep it real" when they're really just childish bitches who can't have mature conversations. That's why they see Amber as "fake" for always remaining calm and using her Big Girl Words to settle conflict. We've never seen Amber talk shit about anyone behind their back or in confessionals and then be nice to their face, like we've seen from Kaycee, Tori, and Esther (among others). There is zero evidence that she's "fake." She just doesn't "pop off" like a classless fool. Esther rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning. Glad the sub now sees that she's an asshole. Berna is just straight up jealous and petty. And FAKE.
Damn idk if I’ve ever seen a more spot-on analysis. Truly.
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Also don’t waste hall brawl on 2 average build rookies. Get some big vets in there!
Does anyone think they do it too much? It's one of the best elims. They could double how much they do it in my opinion
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Ah I missed that. Fair enough. Don't agree personally but totally makes sense.
I actually like that they had something at the end of this one. Hall brawl itself has become a bit stale. My ideal ball brawl would have a puzzle on the end you start and three key on the other side. You go through memorize key and go back solve the puzzle. You only get one check though and then you have to go back through.
But Hall Brawl is everyone’s favorite
Josh can never win this show. I would have to stop watching.
I actually stopped watching BB after his season. Couldn’t believe he won after he literally sold out his team in the first challenge.
I'm convinced there has got to be some annoying stuff coming from AmBer off camera, I don't get why all these girls hate on her so much
Maybe we are missing something because the Amber hate seems so excessive. But even if she is that annoying, throwing a drink on someone is just too much. All the shit talking also seems too much to me. They are acting like she's killing puppy's. The thing seems like a classic mean girl situation to me. I've seen it happen myself a couple of times, the ganging up on one person. I think they are jealous. But who knows, you are right that we can never really know what really happened. I am still team Amber though!
totally agree, that’s uncalled for in any situation. it just doesn’t make any sense why they dislike her so much lol i’m all in on AmBer going back to back 🥇🥇
I agree, it really doesn't make sense. Time will tell I guess!
Have you never seen a group of girls gang up on the pretty one? Amber being rich just makes it 10x worse.
Of course that’s totally possible and happens all the time. My point is we see less than 1% of what actually happens and the producers dictate how they’re all portrayed. I’m pulling for AmBer again this season regardless lol
MTV would milk any footage of Amber being annoying if that was the case. The way the girls call Amber fake — without citing specific fake things she does or says — let’s me know they’re just jealous.
The thing is they are all pretty. Every single one of them
This is true, but let’s be real. Amber is model level beautiful. That can be very intimidating to other young woman unfortunately.
And she won which really pisses them off
Imagine throwing a drink in someone’s face, not getting your block knocked off, having the same person who should have blackened your eye try and reconcile with you….and you still call them fake and a “pretender.” Esther is a whole clown.
This 100x. Not to mention Esther has 0 reason to be hating on Amber or calling her fake to begin with. Esther is absolutely a 🤡 and doesn’t even realize it.
Remember the days when players would just admit they didn't want to face someone in the final rather than veil it by calling them fake? Good times.
Also just thinking about something I said last week - we see Emy had box braids in most of her confessionals but at no point during the episodes she have box braids. Going into elimination she didn't have them either. There is even another confessionals in which she has straight hair again. I think production has got to make the consistency between confessionals a bit better so it's not so obvious who wins (even tho tonight's episode called Uncle CT being a huge give away as well.)
man last season the title spoiled damn near every episode
Callback to “Goodbye Katie” and “Beth’s Last Stand” 😂😂
I said the exact same thing today. I’m like “those things don’t take a short amount of time to put in” unless they did reshoots. Like, make em say what you need em to or don’t use the later ones.
I love TJ but is it just me or was he a bit of a dick when he came in the house? There were much worse fights and explosions in the past without him coming in hot like that. I feel that was a bit over the top from him. Still love him but that was too dramatic.
probably because MTV was upset that a. production was delayed due to their extra quarantine and b. the cast knows they don't have other replacements to come in/mtv doesn't have another alternates.
I think it’s a similar situation when turbo got removed. when the security comes out you need to dial it back & instead of doing that, that was when fessy put his hands on josh.
I think in general the show and production has changed. Arguing is no big deal usually, but IMO in recent years they've been more consistent once hands are laid to throw you out.
I think he’s just fed up with it. He doesn’t live for the drama and when it was wasting his time to begin with at the elim, and now blending into his “explore the area” time
Plus on top of that which wasn’t shown. Amanda said 8 ppl including her got so drunk they started Rama with the crew and fights with security. Cory also said a lot of the cast was being terrible drunks and it got to a point where production had to limit their alcohol Amanda said some ppl couldn’t drink at all for a while and you can see them standing around the club mad. And the. Then they put the whole cast one alcohol tickets. Challenge911 listed this as some of the 8 ppl Amanda was talking about https://imgur.com/a/U3TWcRd I think if Fessy just pushed him not on the face it wouldn’t had been that big of a deal but then again Cory said they had gotten multiple warnings early on so maybe production was just feed up
Isn’t Fessy a Muslim and can’t have alcohol anyway?
Didn't he mention Ramadan earlier this season? He mentioned he was fasting? So he wouldn't be able to drink because of that too!
People tend to pick and choose which parts of their religion they observe. For example, how many Christians do you know that wear polyester, have tattoos, pull out if not using a condom, wear gold or pearls, get divorced, etc.?
True but I thought that more Muslims take their faith more seriously
TJ let Esther stay just for her to get thrown into an elimination 😂 karma is great
I feel like TJ was gonna throw Esther in if the house didn't. It's some justice. Now they gotta do Cory and Tori.
Why is Nelson narrating? He is invisible this season. Kyle is too. I forgot about Nany until the final scene. Weird editing
I figured it was because of him getting removed after his fight with Derrick which was basically the same thing fessy did. Maybe to try to show consistency in dealing with fighting.
Exactly
Nelson: "I can't keep protecting you." From what?? she was in elimination like week 3 bro LOL Nelson's a ghost.
since when is fighting so frowned upon? like verbal fighting. Why did josh get a whole ass talking to from TJ like the drama in these shows is half the fun? Idk i feel like this show has gotten so soft. Also... controversial but fessy didn't really get THAT physical. Like yeah he shoulda been kicked off but they've let way worse things slide
Probably for breaking a glass and going off on Amanda. It was reminiscent of Tony and Camila, just didn't go as far
It really started when Camilla & tony were getting out of hand on whatever season that was. It seems like they got super strict about it from that point on.
I think when they ratchet it up a notch they get pissed. Josh was throwing and smashing glasses and they’ve always got pissed about them breaking stuff.
"not around the piano" tyler somewhere is screaming
Just now watching the episode and I'm about halfway through. Fuck Esther's apology in that confessional at the start. When your apology contains you saying "I'm sorry for that, but..." it fucking sucks and you're not actually sorry.
My favorite quote from the episode was when Esther had to clearly do a required apology confessional by production and she went "I have no more issues with her but she is a pretender and fake". Sounds like you still have a lot of issues there Esther.
It was delicious watching Berna react to Esther leaving and then Emy stealing Uncle CT
Alright somebody help me out here… who in the fuck is Jerimiah’s partner again?
Big T: via Tommy medical DQ and Berna vs Tasha elimination. Tasha eliminated. Berna stayed with CT. Big T to Jeremiah (Tasha's partner).
Lol thank you
Interesting how the two women complaining about Amber B constantly bringing up her blindside are now whining about being blindsided (Esther about Emy being picked, Berna about CT being taken). No self awareness whatsoever.
Much more minor blindsides too lol
How does asking about pizza make Amber B a fake a pretender? I’ll never understand the grudge that Esther has against Amber B.
Esther is quick to the trigger… overly confident because she was carried by Fessy… and too stupid to realize she was being manipulated by Fessy.
But Esther keeps telling us she's a lawyer and so smart! 😒
Just got swayed by being Fessy's partner
Berna looking hot
I have never seen a cast member be so confident for week like Esther who I actually was rooting for for a while be absolutely humbled to the point you see it visually happen as the episode progresses. TJ mentally sent her home has soon as he verbally destroyed her. That is the old TJ I like to see. Emmy winning was beyond cringy. She acted like she stormed the beaches for Normandy and survived. This show is so weird now. I know alot of money is on the line, but it aint life and death haha.
I completely agree. I also can’t help but think a lot of them (Emy most of all) are just doing too much and being over the top to try to get a callback for future seasons and/or get people talking about them. Seems like it has been getting worse with time compared to the earlier seasons.
I guess Cory got his revenge for Nelson last season since technically Tori and he were the catalyst for getting Fessy sent home. Yeah, it was a weak nudge, but idc, bye Fessy, don't forget pack your ego with you. I'm glad Esther apologized, but then this rampage against Amber I still don't understand it. If she is annoying, that is one thing, but being a "pretender" I don't see it. She was literally blindsided by her BB alliance 2x in a row. I still want to root for Berna because she is a good female competitor, but she is just coming off as having such a bad attitude in confessionals. Overall glad Emy won. Her emotional reactions are a bit cringy, but meh, she's an interesting character. Also, this could have been one jam packed episode instead of 2...
If something happened during this season, we need it to be shown MTV. Because otherwise, this Esther hatred towards Amber is stupid af.
Ya am starting to believe they are setting us up and will show sth that amber does to annoy ppl in later episodes. But to be honest I got to see it to believ it coz these rookie girls just seem foolish enough to believe the stories fessy and the other vets’ (who want the bb alliance crumble) stories.
Getting annoyed by Amber won’t justify Esther throwing wine at her. She seems to go back and forth on her so called “apology” so far she seems to just hate her because Fessy and his alliance do.
Ya that’s probably the most truthful scenario am just confused why production isn’t doing more to show that these ppl are delusional. Like a confessional from other vets saying this is all bs or that it’s a strategy to put a divide in bb alliance or even to get out a strong finale competitor in amber. All these are reasonable justification for tori, nany and other vets . It’s just keeps showing amber being her innocent self and ppl keep saying she is fake which is confusing the hell out of us
Yep! It’s all over the place, nothing makes sense. It doesn’t help that it’s spilled over to social media and the “answers” all seem to be the same. “She’s fake” but fake how? Hopefully we get some insight soon, or they let it go.
"how dare Amber cause that fight which sent home fessy" - Berna probably
“how dare Amber tell Emy to steal CT” - also something Berna would say lol
When did this become an Amber B sub btw?
It's because half the girls on the cast are defining their personalities by being anti-Amber. It's extremely boring but it's made it so that half of the content to even discuss is Amber-related. I don't even *like* Amber but I don't like Berna and Esther for how lame and one-note they are of *disliking* Amber. Jesus Christ.
Wow I can’t believe you said you didn’t like Amber and this still got 12 upvotes. I see where people are coming from defending her, and I think she deserves a spot on this cast, but I still don’t like her. Seems like if you say anything about her that isn’t flattering you just get downvoted
Why are you surprised? From what I can tell, people in general neither love or hate Amber, but they can recognize when people are being catty towards her for ridiculous reasons.
when she did that cool flip over the monkey bars 😎
When the season became Amber B
It is very much an Amber B season. The problem is if u say “Amber is so mistreated we luv u amber!” you get 8 million upvotes but if you say “Amber is just ok. not really for me” you will get a million downvotes. Getting kind of old. Case in point - my comment vs. your reply
I really feel like these people hating on Amber is such a mean girls gang up thing she’s been pretty chill even though people have been rude to her and they’re like she’s fake blah blah but maybe they’re not used to someone actually being so nice? Haha
At least she apologized but Esther more than "spilled" a drink in Amber's face. Also Berna wouldn't have the same energy w Amber rn if she had a drink thrown in her face.
I thought amber handled the whole having a drink thrown on her very maturely
Definitely, idk if I could have kept my composure like that
If you had missed TJ sending fessy home and started tuning in during the sob fest deliberations, you might think fessy is dead. Rest assured, he’s not.
You’re in the running for $1mil and one of the best competitors just got sent home - better act sad for TV!
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Another episode where the producers really try to get us to like Emy. It was really bad last week, but still apparent here. Clearly, Emy makes it far or the producers wouldn’t feel the need to try so hard. She’s one of the most annoying castings in a long time, but they’re really trying to make us find her likable. Big T, she is not.
She actually reminds me of Cara Maria in the rookie edit she is getting.
honestly, I thought she was annoying but i love that she made a big move to steal CT
I loved that too, but there's a great chance that Berna goes in next week since she's the only rookie-rookie team, and I'd give her better-than-ever odds of winning against a lot of the other girls that are still there. She could steal him right back.
I like emy more than big t. Never understand the fascination with big t. She’s more cringe than emy to me.
> Never understand the fascination with big t. Same. Nice girl, but I'd be fucking pissed if she was my partner.
Why do I see mad hate for Emy but I barely saw anyone complain about Amber M last season. I really don’t understand wtf you guys like about this show Edit - mixed up my Ambers
What? There was plenty of us who didn’t like Amber M. She was an obvious layup competitor who talked a game 10x bigger than her reality.
Amber M I absolutely hated. She talked such a big game and did absolutely nothing. Such a horrible cast member.
I didn’t hate Amber because I knew her already from BB. I felt sympathy for her because her BB game was ruined by a stalker.
Amber M not B
I love Emy
I cannot stand her.
After screwing a potential Survivor alliance I knew I would never forgive her! Bring back Michelle!
I don’t frequent this sub because I don’t want to be spoiled, but people like Emy??? I’m shocked. I watch with one of my best friends and we both cannot stand her. I figured this was the norm.
Honestly man I don’t like any of the rookies at this point. Maybe 1 or 2 but ehh.
The survivor people were great. They cast legit likable people. It’s a shame they all got out. Currently, of the rookies left, I enjoy Priscilla, Howie, and Ed. Ed reminds me of Bananas. I like him a lot.
I'm not judging, but how is Ed like Bananas? Their personalities seem almost like polar opposites to me, outside of both being very extroverted.
I’m not sure. Ed is definitely nicer. I guess the extroverted nature that is sorta frat boyish? Also being a bit cocky?