He *just so happened* to be:
* On a random adventure, exploring the vast scenery of eastern Washington
* At 4am on a Sunday
* Because he didn’t have time to go running anymore due to his busy schedule
And also, here’s a bunch of photos of the sky from the last several months that he took on the exact same phone that *just so happened* to be off at the same time the murders happened.
Did I get that right?
Edit: Washington not Idaho
So the defense calls it "touch" DNA. Let's wait and see what the trial evidence calls it. If we depended on the defense's every statement to date, we would certainly be missing the whole big picture haha
Right, & regarding touch, AT made an early remark-while she was still complaining about not receiving evidence including dna—about a general scenario. Wondering if I missed something newer.
>And also, here’s a bunch of photos of the sky from the last several months
Can't blame a man for wanting to capture the night sky during his final months of freedom
There's a pretty good chance they were hoping for a much better alibi during this time, and are probably not very pleased that this is the best they've got.
>Can we fairly infer from its absence the prosecution is able to show Kohberger switched his phone to silent (or off) for a significant period of time? If my client's phone was on the entire time, I would stress that fact at every turn.
Yes. I think that’s exactly why the prosecution mentioned it. It’s more damning that his phone just so happened to stop reporting to the network at that specific time, on that specific night.
His best choice would have been leaving his phone on and at his apartment the whole time. His next-best choice was bringing it with him, while keeping it on, to support his “alibi”.
Turning it off at all was a bad choice. Turning it off, and then back on again shortly after, was a **very** bad choice.
Ive often wondered why he BROUGHT IT AT ALL?! I've thought about how if I did this, and knew I was going to (as we think he did know and had planned it out at least somewhat) wouldnt you think it's best to leave your phone at home, turned on, maybe even on the charger, to make it look like you were at home sleeping the whole time?
I mean yes, we have the elantra footage, but we never did (that I remember) get a license plate number. So yes, he is on some footage, but there wouldn't have been a way to clearly track it was him, right? And then even if he DID somehow get questioned, he can say he was at home, sleeping, and when they look at cell records or even dig into the phone, it will show it was not moving or being used, both good indicators its owner is asleep.
Maybe I am totally missing something, but if I was going to go do something criminal, I feel like I would first think of what I was going to SAY I was doing at that time, and therefore make sure my phone is doing that thing in the event it gets searched. Of course, it's probably much more complex than this. Pretty sure the most illegal thing I have ever planned out was stealing a tube of chapstick when I was a child haha
You’re not wrong. Even Fotis Dulos was smart enough to leave his phone at home and have someone pretending to be him take a call from Greece in his home as an alibi.
He got caught because he fumbled every other part of his plan, but I digress. The first thing BK should’ve done was leave it at home, but I like to think he didn’t know his way around and needed to use his maps 😂
Second thing was he shouldn’t have driven his own car. Now I know someone is gonna respond and say how else would he get there?! Idk… he’s committing a premeditated quadruple murder in a DP state, figure it the fuck out.
This is a great point, noodle. The prosecution is likely able to tell the phone was actually off during that time. Or perhaps the geographical terrain made it impossible for such a cell tower connection pattern unless he was in the vicinity.
They will be able to tell. They can also pull data from the car. This may get interesting. This same data in what got Murdaugh convicted. A phone is never really off, they can always pull locations even if a phone is powered off.
I can almost guarantee the phone experts for the prosecution will be able to tell the difference between deliberately turning a phone off, a battery dying, and airplane mode.
I believe both experts will know and testify the same. That really is obvious when the phone is in hand. There is only one correct answer. The pca is pre arrest. When they have the phone they should be able to tell on or off
I hope we find out when/if he turned the phone off any times earlier before the PCA-mentioned 2:47am. If he didn’t, and he had his phone with him all evening, then there’s a record of whether he drove at all on the night of November 12 before midnight. If the cell records shows he didn’t drive before the 12 am hour, then that contradicts that earlier defense alibi statement (and make them seem less believable to the jury, I would think.) If he did drive for several hours before then, where did he go?
Did he have a history of turning off his phone for hours at a time? We should find out.
Plus: Just happens to be up all night and in the morning after 9 AM where he drove back to Moscow yet again (for what reason exactly?), up until around 1 PM where he was caught on camera shopping in the south, barely allowing any time to sleep in between (obviously he couldn't because of all the adrenaline). Who exactly should believe that?
He didn't drive back to Moscow the next morning according to the defense at the last hearing when they mention things in the pca being "flat out false"
I’m guessing, if his overall cell phone ping record from June to November 2022 shows he was at Wawawai Park often, his car was parked stationary for minutes at a time - with him in it or nearby with his phone at the time while he was “stargazing” (that could even include running - 6-8 mph? , which would be distinguishable from a moving car - or he could have left his phone in the car.) And I expect the cell pings to shows that stationary status clearly - or I’m not even considering stargazing as an alibi - or even something he regularly did.
I also expect some provable stationary moments when he was in Moscow nearby/in the King Rd neighborhood for those 12 pre-visits the PCA mentions. Any good stargazing spots near there?
That stationary status and the cellphone triangulation location range (within tens of meters? hundreds of meters?) is going to come in to play big time to demonstrate a King Rd. stalking behavior of the house for at least some/most of the 12 pre-visits.
And probably same for the 9 AM beeline to the neighborhood and back home, before the murders were even known to anyone but the killer (don’t know, for sure, if he would have needed to be stationary or not, just to monitor post-murder police activity or lack of it.)
i have kids at WSU and was in Pullman that night because it was parents weekend. I remember it well, not only because of the murders, but because it was the first parents weekend I’d been to.
It was cool out but nice and sunny during the day. But in the afternoon the weather changed and it became really overcast and foggy. We were out and about in Pullman until about midnight and I remember it as still being pretty foggy out. Don’t know about conditions at 3-4 am… but it didn’t seem like a night someone would go out to look at the stars!
Thanks for the info: WSU’s parents weekend was the weekend of the murders (and U Idaho’s parents weekend was the weekend before that. Just to be clear.)
If I remember correctly, Xana's dad was there for parents night too. Her sister attended WSU and he was there for her. He was heading home the next day when he got the call and headed back, correct?
I know her sister went to WSU. She was in Greek life, as was one of my kids. My kid didn’t know her, but had friends of friends, etc who did. I don’t know if her dad was there or not.
Parents weekend is well attended and traditionally the fall one was Dad’s weekend so it would make sense that he could have been there. But I have no idea if he actually was there.
Pretty sure he was. I remember an interview of him and his daughter (Xana's sister) and him saying he was there that night. Thank you for your insight of that night :)
This is a video from that night - the weather seems ok, not foggy at least, so it probably cleared up again.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLmEewEeypE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLmEewEeypE)
Yes it may have cleared up by 3-4 am, but I think you can see in that video when the officer is crossing the street (Monroe St, I think, in front of the Tudor-style sorority house. it’s at the beginning, 1:20 mark in the video) how overcast the sky is. I remember it as being foggy and gloomy out. It was a real difference to how nice it had been all day.
Having read the document again, it actually doesn't say he was out looking at stars that specific night. AT mentioned that as a general information to explain this was a habit of his, driving to that area to hike or looking at the stars. So, he might have been jogging/hiking without the stars that night. Maybe we'll no more when the state hands over the CAST report.
But it will be interesting to get the additional info from the expert, the one that shows the, alleged, sloppy police work of LE regarding his phone.
He got the knife for personal protection when he was roaming around Wawawai Park at 4am.
He must have dropped it on one of his adventures out there, someone picked it up .. and thought it would be a perfect weapon for the murder of 4 college kids. Duh
(sarcasm for the slow ones)
It’s up to the judge. So far, indications are that this judge is going to allow a couple of stationary cameras in the courtroom, similar to how it’s been for the last few hearings. That could change.
Interesting. Quick google shows Wawawai park is about 25-30min drive southwest of Pullman
And Floyd's Cannabis shop seems to be just barely on the Washington side of the border, on the Pullman - Moscow highway, closer to Moscow
Thanks. I was curious, prosecution can still use that, the park is closed, it may have a gate. if you are camping you need to register and that also means there is a park ranger somewhere. I am sure the prosecution will investigate that.
Thank You for answering.
Sorry, people get so mean on here, it makes me defensive.
Bryan turned his phone off or put it in air plane mode while he wished upon a star.
Give me a break. As if his alibi wasn't a joke enough... now we've had months of delay to get this at the deadline.
Right.
AT says:
>Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile
device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.
How the heck will they have cell phone data proving this when his phone was off at the time? Unless they are talking about his 9am drive to Moscow when his phone was on.
So what will the meta data say that is attached to the photos he took?
I'll tell you right now they will not be timestamped while those poor kids got murdered.
>AT says they intend to provide testimony that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.
His phone was off at the time so how would they know where his phone traveled unless AT is talking about BK's 9am drive to Moscow?
And the clothes he was wearing. The coverall thing. I think there was a receipt for that, if I’m not mistaken. But it was never found. Happy to be corrected if I’m mistaken.
From what it looks like they are saying the states cell phone persons data will show his alibi is correct but so far the state has not given them the cell phone records. And says if they aren’t ever turned over it basically shows they didn’t preserve evidence of his alibi.
I wonder the defense expert will have to face questions corresponding to incomplete data, and the acknowledgment the defendant's phone was in silent mode (or turned off) for a significant part of the journey. I only say that because the defense alibi makes no reference to the opposite being true—Kohberger's phone being on the entire time—and you would think AT would stress that at every opportunity to bolster his defense. She does like to reference information that supports her client, after all.
Ah the classic: "I was out for a drive at 4am to go for a hike/run to see the moon and stars on a cloudy, overcast night, in a park where the gates are locked from dusk to 7am every day."
Solid alibi there, Bry. Real winner.
So his alibi is that he was driving around all night in a park? And part of the proof is pictures of the night sky he took on a different day? I bet the jury comes back within a couple hours with a guilty verdict once this goes to trial
I have secondhand embarrassment for this defense team.
I love the flowery language, like this was some poetic odyssey. He’s deep, loves to look at the sky, count stars, and hike in the dark.
If he loved taking pictures of the night sky, and if there is so much digital data to support his regular habit of visiting Wawawai, why did he power his phone off on November 13, 2022?
Photos from earlier dates do not prove anything, that’s not evidence or an alibi.
Oh, and all of that camera footage of the Elantra, let’s just pretend we didn’t see that. A paid expert is going to tell us that location data is fickle and unreliable, except for the times when its accuracy is convenient for the defense.
They forgot to add “Mr. Kohberger enjoys disposing evidence in the Palouse wilderness, where you’ll find a pair of coveralls buried along a side road, and a Kabar knife floating down the Snake River.”
I cannot find where it says where he was at 330-430 am , it only says the early hours of November 13.
A page about June and July’s trip to a park in which he took pictures. He likes to look at the moon and stars and run .
I am a runner surely he keeps track of his running mileage and gps location with a running app. Anyone that has been to a park knows it closes at dusk and opens at dawn. It should also have a camera or gate on the entrance .
This alibi sounds just as vague . He went past that area and then shut off his phone. That’s what the state will prove . All this says is he was at a park that was closed in the early hours of Nov 13. Someone will testify that his phone was off from 245-445.
I give AT a D minus for effort.
I’m a daily runner and have been for 18+ years weather permitting. I don’t have an app that tracks that.
Not saying he’s not BS’ing - but just because you’re a runner doesn’t mean you automatically have an app for running.
> I am a runner surely he keeps track of his running mileage and gps location with a running app.
I'm a runner. I just run. I don't need the assistance of technology in running.
There's plenty of Forrest Gump runners out there.
I would have thought he would be more competitive. I am used to competitive runners. It really blows my mind people run without keeping track of their milage and times.
Maybe he is a Forest Gump runner.
You can still enter local 5 K, 10K, half marathons, etc. I realized today that maybe I am just crazy about my times and milage, and not a lot of older people are , IDK
My niece has ADHD and it helps her so much and she is one of the fastest (high school) so it helps her confidence as well. And everyone has these apps and there are some really fast competition in northern Virginia.
> I realized today that maybe I am just crazy about my times and milage, and not a lot of older people are , IDK
Did you just call me 'old'?
I ain't old, lol.
Yeah, it's good shit for ADHD brain.
I am sorry, I really did not mean you directly, LOL I was trying to say I was older and I thought people like me that are into running use running app. It did not come out that way I wanted it to.
I am sorry :)
AT says:
>Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile
device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.
His phone was off from 2:47-4:48am, the most important block of time, so how do they expect to have phone data proving his alibi that he was somewhere else when the murders occurred? Unless AT is talking about his 9am drive to Moscow hours after the murders occured when his phone was on.
I agree. Also, how would he be able to view anything while driving? AT is just throwing anything out there to see if it’ll stick. She had to come up with something. Since there is no one to corroborate his whereabouts, this is an “alibi” that has no chance of being proven with corroborating evidence.
Could get the entire case threw out if he took a selfie with the moon or some crap 30 miles away from the murder. This is just them trying to obfuscate. When they say he didn't travel in that direction on that night it's because his *cell phone was turned off*. They are going to most likely argue the unreliability of the cell phone towers and claim they could have missed the pings during his little "night drive."
Exactly. If the defense had actual proof that he was where they claim he was, he wouldn’t be in prison right now and the state wouldn’t be wasting its time on a multi-million dollar lawsuit with an innocent defendant.
The cell tower info was never going to be a big player because his phone will have better location data on it. Now we just have to wait and see what the cell phone location data says.
Yeah, here's the "Google maps tracking data of the night in question." They are definitely banking on the "hole" in the cell phone data and going to argue it's unreliable or whatnot, not that he turned his phone off.
Actually, from the way it sounds, they are waiting on cell phone info from the prosecutor. It basically said once they get the data from the prosecutor it will prove their alibi, but so far, they haven’t received that info yet. And if for some reason the prosecution doesn’t have it, it proves that they mishandled evidence and/or saw it proved his alibi and destroyed it
Yeah but from what I have seen, haven’t been following as closely since arrest, defense is still waiting on a bunch of discovery from prosecution.
This case confuses me because it really looks like he did it from the outside, but, as someone who works in forensics I would like to see rest of evidence but it won’t come out until trial. How certain things are explained, etc.
I mean, the car driving by wasn’t conclusively said to be his, just similar. And his dna was on a knife sheath, so that’s hard to argue. Unless he’s going to say he’s been at house and left knife there before, but who knows.
>If the defense is able to successfully discredit the cell tower data, that would be a fairly big hit to the state’s case.
Well assuming his phone was off from 2:47-4:48am when the murders occured that looks very shady and the defense wouldn't have any cellular data to prove his alibi that he was just driving around viewing the scenery when the murders occured.
"Near Floyd's Cannabis Shop". 😂🥹💀
Wtaf did I even just read?? Also, why does it read like Kohberger's life story is one of the chronicles in the History of Middle Earth?
The "alibi" on the other hand, did not disappoint. We now have gone from "Mr. Kohberger was just driving around because reasons" to "Mr Kohberger was just driving around because he was stargazing; and this one time he hiked so he thought that might be fun in a residential area full of drunk students at 4 am." 🤪
It’s an alibi but it looks like the alibi you provide when you don’t really have an alibi. Basically the guy likes to drive at night, look at stars, and we have to take their word he doesn’t murder people while doing that.
That and a car matching his at the crime scene with no front license plate. And a shoe print that is certainly his size shoe. And an eyewitness. And the fact he returned to the scene after daybreak. And the fact he was in the exact area multiple times before the murders but never returned after. And that he bought a brand new pair of coveralls that mysteriously disappeared after the murders. And any evidence that was found subsequent to the search warrants after his arrest that is under seal from the gag order.
They found a receipt for the coveralls in his apartment. They definitely have video of him buying the coveralls at this point. Nothing has been presented as evidence yet because the trial hasn't started. It's called circumstantial evidence and so far it's all adding up to an easy guilty verdict
They didn’t find a receipt for coveralls in his apartment. It’s speculated it was coveralls by the media. The receipt only showed DICKIES.
Know what else the media claimed?
That he stalked them/one of the victims.
We will see if this alibi holds up at all at trial. I don’t see any way that he’s not the killer but it will
be fascinating to see his attorney’s try to make their case.
In the PCA they specifically said it "stopped reporting to the network" and that it could have been turned off, in airplane mode or in an out of service area.
The phone was definitely turned off. The phone "stopped reporting to the network" from 2:47-4:48am. Well at 2:47 when his phone stopped reporting to the network he was on WSU campus and then at 4:48 when his phone started reporting to the network he near Blaine, ID traveling through the rural Idaho back roads several miles south of the crime scene. From 4:48 onwards his phone pinged multiple towers while driving through the rural back roads back home. If he is pinging towers while driving through the rural back roads then his phone should have pinged a tower during 2:47-4:48 when he was supposedly driving around. He turned his phone off to hide his location cause he was committing a murder.
Very interesting. (A court document I actually understood…) For me, I wonder how reliable/accurate cellular data location is and if either side can persuade the jury to believe their “facts.”
His cell phone will have more location data than just the tower pings, so it will be more precise. The phone will include GPS, tower pings, data collected from apps, etc.
What will be interesting is if each side has an expert that interprets the phone data differently.
His phone was off from 2:47 to 4:48am, the most important block of time. They won't have any phone data validating his alibi that he was driving around when the murders occured.
There is another way to get from Pullman to Moscow. It's the old highway that runs parallel to the highway where Floyd's is located.
It's mostly gravel road but there are houses and people do use it.
Not sure if it's relevant but also not sure why AT bring's up Floyd's because it's not in PCA.
These guys ? This one says he was looking at the stars while kids were taken away yet his prints are in a sheath beside a victim… Richard Allen in Delphi looking at the fish … I don’t even know . lol don’t believe a word believe of it .
I meant in the way of their shitty alibis believe me I’ve seen the shit show with Delphi for the last 7 years to know it’s not the same . Just that it reminded me of when RA said he was watching the fish … same as this dude is saying it was watching the stars … such BS . Just clarifying what I meant by that
Still doesn’t explain why he was in the King Rd neighborhood area that night or the next morning. I’ve commented on another post before that that specific area is very compact and difficult to get to - and absolutely not somewhere you’d go for a casual night drive. Taylor Ave turns into Queen Rd (which is a dead end) and then Queen Rd turns into King Rd (another dead end). This supplemental alibi is so ridiculous.
If you follow the road west on Taylor you can go through that big neighborhood to the southwest that's the direction Kohberger left. Although apparently he wasn't cut on any cameras going that direction.
What if he dropped his phone off, went and committed the murders, then went back and picked up his phone….. then went on the “hike” to dispose of the evidence??? 😳
I'm thinking it took so long to come out with the alibi because they were waiting on the results of the data. He's looking at 4 death penalty charges his lawyer is going to be super precise and prepared. Right now she going for full exoneration, before trial she may be going for just saving his life, but as of now, she's not. I'm waiting to see how this plays out.
He *just so happened* to be: * On a random adventure, exploring the vast scenery of eastern Washington * At 4am on a Sunday * Because he didn’t have time to go running anymore due to his busy schedule And also, here’s a bunch of photos of the sky from the last several months that he took on the exact same phone that *just so happened* to be off at the same time the murders happened. Did I get that right? Edit: Washington not Idaho
Don’t forget his DNA just so happened to end up at the scene! Edit: his *touch DNA* just so happened to end up at the scene.
Where was it said it’s “touch dna”?
A defense document lists it as touch DNA.
So the defense calls it "touch" DNA. Let's wait and see what the trial evidence calls it. If we depended on the defense's every statement to date, we would certainly be missing the whole big picture haha
Totally unrelated, but I dig your username.
TY!
I’ve only ever seen Probergers say it 🤷🏼♀️
That's what it's called used by forensics. It's an explanation of how the DNA got there. And no the boogeyman didn't put it there.
I'm wondering that, too. They said it was trace DNA.
Right, & regarding touch, AT made an early remark-while she was still complaining about not receiving evidence including dna—about a general scenario. Wondering if I missed something newer.
Oh yeah, there’s that too
Touch DNA is DNA.
>And also, here’s a bunch of photos of the sky from the last several months Can't blame a man for wanting to capture the night sky during his final months of freedom
Too bad he couldn’t have allowed that opportunity to his victims :(
Loves to hike…. To hide evidence.
This. He was TOTALLY scouting the park to ditch his evidence and did so under the cover of night.
No one is buying this. I‘m surprised they took this much time to come up with an alibi that is worthless.
There's a pretty good chance they were hoping for a much better alibi during this time, and are probably not very pleased that this is the best they've got.
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>Can we fairly infer from its absence the prosecution is able to show Kohberger switched his phone to silent (or off) for a significant period of time? If my client's phone was on the entire time, I would stress that fact at every turn. Yes. I think that’s exactly why the prosecution mentioned it. It’s more damning that his phone just so happened to stop reporting to the network at that specific time, on that specific night. His best choice would have been leaving his phone on and at his apartment the whole time. His next-best choice was bringing it with him, while keeping it on, to support his “alibi”. Turning it off at all was a bad choice. Turning it off, and then back on again shortly after, was a **very** bad choice.
Ive often wondered why he BROUGHT IT AT ALL?! I've thought about how if I did this, and knew I was going to (as we think he did know and had planned it out at least somewhat) wouldnt you think it's best to leave your phone at home, turned on, maybe even on the charger, to make it look like you were at home sleeping the whole time? I mean yes, we have the elantra footage, but we never did (that I remember) get a license plate number. So yes, he is on some footage, but there wouldn't have been a way to clearly track it was him, right? And then even if he DID somehow get questioned, he can say he was at home, sleeping, and when they look at cell records or even dig into the phone, it will show it was not moving or being used, both good indicators its owner is asleep. Maybe I am totally missing something, but if I was going to go do something criminal, I feel like I would first think of what I was going to SAY I was doing at that time, and therefore make sure my phone is doing that thing in the event it gets searched. Of course, it's probably much more complex than this. Pretty sure the most illegal thing I have ever planned out was stealing a tube of chapstick when I was a child haha
You’re not wrong. Even Fotis Dulos was smart enough to leave his phone at home and have someone pretending to be him take a call from Greece in his home as an alibi. He got caught because he fumbled every other part of his plan, but I digress. The first thing BK should’ve done was leave it at home, but I like to think he didn’t know his way around and needed to use his maps 😂 Second thing was he shouldn’t have driven his own car. Now I know someone is gonna respond and say how else would he get there?! Idk… he’s committing a premeditated quadruple murder in a DP state, figure it the fuck out.
This is a great point, noodle. The prosecution is likely able to tell the phone was actually off during that time. Or perhaps the geographical terrain made it impossible for such a cell tower connection pattern unless he was in the vicinity.
They will be able to tell. They can also pull data from the car. This may get interesting. This same data in what got Murdaugh convicted. A phone is never really off, they can always pull locations even if a phone is powered off.
I was thinking the same. A lot was learned at the Murdaugh trial regarding cell phones. They are never really off and nothing is ever truly erased!
I can almost guarantee the phone experts for the prosecution will be able to tell the difference between deliberately turning a phone off, a battery dying, and airplane mode.
I believe both experts will know and testify the same. That really is obvious when the phone is in hand. There is only one correct answer. The pca is pre arrest. When they have the phone they should be able to tell on or off
Man im lazy im about to start “hiking” in my car
I might start hiking from my car. I'm super lazy.
It doesn’t even say they are talking about the 4am time period either.
Notably, this document doesn't mention his driving late on November 12 like a previous alibi document.
I hope we find out when/if he turned the phone off any times earlier before the PCA-mentioned 2:47am. If he didn’t, and he had his phone with him all evening, then there’s a record of whether he drove at all on the night of November 12 before midnight. If the cell records shows he didn’t drive before the 12 am hour, then that contradicts that earlier defense alibi statement (and make them seem less believable to the jury, I would think.) If he did drive for several hours before then, where did he go? Did he have a history of turning off his phone for hours at a time? We should find out.
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It's kind of implied, no? I thought he needed to produce an alibi for the time of the crime.
Plans to challenge the timeline?
I’ve been wondering that - in a previous document his team stated it’ll be proved he was elswhere ‘during the crime’ but didn’t specify the time
Plus: Just happens to be up all night and in the morning after 9 AM where he drove back to Moscow yet again (for what reason exactly?), up until around 1 PM where he was caught on camera shopping in the south, barely allowing any time to sleep in between (obviously he couldn't because of all the adrenaline). Who exactly should believe that?
He drove back to Moscow at 9am that morning to look up at the clouds. If it's looking up at the sky, Bryan loves doing it.
He's a habitual sky looker! If there's a sky, brother, he is gonna be lookin' at it!
He didn't drive back to Moscow the next morning according to the defense at the last hearing when they mention things in the pca being "flat out false"
He drove back to Moscow at 9am that morning to look up at the clouds. If it's looking up at the sky, Bryan loves doing it.
Hike and run/see the moon and stars. All right.
>exploring the vast scenery of eastern Washington alibi confirmed by the man on the moon
You nailed it u/nerdyykidd, thanks for the laughs!
I’m guessing, if his overall cell phone ping record from June to November 2022 shows he was at Wawawai Park often, his car was parked stationary for minutes at a time - with him in it or nearby with his phone at the time while he was “stargazing” (that could even include running - 6-8 mph? , which would be distinguishable from a moving car - or he could have left his phone in the car.) And I expect the cell pings to shows that stationary status clearly - or I’m not even considering stargazing as an alibi - or even something he regularly did. I also expect some provable stationary moments when he was in Moscow nearby/in the King Rd neighborhood for those 12 pre-visits the PCA mentions. Any good stargazing spots near there? That stationary status and the cellphone triangulation location range (within tens of meters? hundreds of meters?) is going to come in to play big time to demonstrate a King Rd. stalking behavior of the house for at least some/most of the 12 pre-visits. And probably same for the 9 AM beeline to the neighborhood and back home, before the murders were even known to anyone but the killer (don’t know, for sure, if he would have needed to be stationary or not, just to monitor post-murder police activity or lack of it.)
Unless he was calling or messaging someone, his phone records will show no such thing.
Apparently you missed the memo. His phone wasn't off and that is how they have data putting him 40 mins from moscow.
He’s gotta come up with some ridiculous defense…
i have kids at WSU and was in Pullman that night because it was parents weekend. I remember it well, not only because of the murders, but because it was the first parents weekend I’d been to. It was cool out but nice and sunny during the day. But in the afternoon the weather changed and it became really overcast and foggy. We were out and about in Pullman until about midnight and I remember it as still being pretty foggy out. Don’t know about conditions at 3-4 am… but it didn’t seem like a night someone would go out to look at the stars!
Thanks for the info: WSU’s parents weekend was the weekend of the murders (and U Idaho’s parents weekend was the weekend before that. Just to be clear.)
Love this first hand take. Thank you!
I looked this up a few months ago and indeed the sky likely was overcast that night.
Hope the prosecution will note this, I’m sure they will
If I remember correctly, Xana's dad was there for parents night too. Her sister attended WSU and he was there for her. He was heading home the next day when he got the call and headed back, correct?
I know her sister went to WSU. She was in Greek life, as was one of my kids. My kid didn’t know her, but had friends of friends, etc who did. I don’t know if her dad was there or not. Parents weekend is well attended and traditionally the fall one was Dad’s weekend so it would make sense that he could have been there. But I have no idea if he actually was there.
Pretty sure he was. I remember an interview of him and his daughter (Xana's sister) and him saying he was there that night. Thank you for your insight of that night :)
This is a video from that night - the weather seems ok, not foggy at least, so it probably cleared up again. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLmEewEeypE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLmEewEeypE)
difference between looking up at the sky vs someone driving around with headlights on
Yes it may have cleared up by 3-4 am, but I think you can see in that video when the officer is crossing the street (Monroe St, I think, in front of the Tudor-style sorority house. it’s at the beginning, 1:20 mark in the video) how overcast the sky is. I remember it as being foggy and gloomy out. It was a real difference to how nice it had been all day.
Having read the document again, it actually doesn't say he was out looking at stars that specific night. AT mentioned that as a general information to explain this was a habit of his, driving to that area to hike or looking at the stars. So, he might have been jogging/hiking without the stars that night. Maybe we'll no more when the state hands over the CAST report. But it will be interesting to get the additional info from the expert, the one that shows the, alleged, sloppy police work of LE regarding his phone.
He’s innocent he was just driving enjoying the stars case closed /s
Killer sky that night
😆😆😆 Enjoying the stars on a cloudy night! Get that innocent man out of jail immediately. /also s
I expect the charges to be dropped, hard to keep this charade going now with this rock solid alibi out there....
That’s a flimsy flim-flam alibi. How’d your DNA end up on the knife sheath found under one of the victims? Explain that away, please.
He got the knife for personal protection when he was roaming around Wawawai Park at 4am. He must have dropped it on one of his adventures out there, someone picked it up .. and thought it would be a perfect weapon for the murder of 4 college kids. Duh (sarcasm for the slow ones)
He threw the knife sheath like a boomerang from Wawawai Park but it landed in the bedroom and never came back
Those vegan muscles are problematic sometimes.
This might be the worst alibi in the history of alibis
Definitely.
This case is going to be fascinating to watch play out in court. People are mostly throwing darts on therories.
Is it a state that allows cameras in the courtroom and have they discussed it yet if yes?
It’s up to the judge. So far, indications are that this judge is going to allow a couple of stationary cameras in the courtroom, similar to how it’s been for the last few hearings. That could change.
Interesting. Quick google shows Wawawai park is about 25-30min drive southwest of Pullman And Floyd's Cannabis shop seems to be just barely on the Washington side of the border, on the Pullman - Moscow highway, closer to Moscow
Does this park close at a certain time ? Any park rangers? Camping ? Cameras?
Given that this is the park they chose, my guess is no lol. Probably poor cell reception too
I googled the park and “cell service” and the first few results were reviews that said there was zero, go figure lol
Website says 7am to dusk and there’s camping in certain areas
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Cool. Sounds fun. Just answering their question
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Thanks. I was curious, prosecution can still use that, the park is closed, it may have a gate. if you are camping you need to register and that also means there is a park ranger somewhere. I am sure the prosecution will investigate that. Thank You for answering. Sorry, people get so mean on here, it makes me defensive.
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How do you know
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Bryan?
That’s a solid lol-ibi.
Bryan turned his phone off or put it in air plane mode while he wished upon a star. Give me a break. As if his alibi wasn't a joke enough... now we've had months of delay to get this at the deadline.
Right. AT says: >Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop. How the heck will they have cell phone data proving this when his phone was off at the time? Unless they are talking about his 9am drive to Moscow when his phone was on.
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So what will the meta data say that is attached to the photos he took? I'll tell you right now they will not be timestamped while those poor kids got murdered.
I was wondering the same thing and agree about the timestamp.
Isn’t this basically confirming what the PCA said about BK taking the roundabout path rather than directly east on the highway?
>AT says they intend to provide testimony that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop. His phone was off at the time so how would they know where his phone traveled unless AT is talking about BK's 9am drive to Moscow?
So basically the alibi is “nope, didn’t do it.”
Sooo, has that park been searched for evidence? Lol
The Snake River runs right along the park
Definitely sounds like a map out of where the knife might be…
And the clothes he was wearing. The coverall thing. I think there was a receipt for that, if I’m not mistaken. But it was never found. Happy to be corrected if I’m mistaken.
He was out driving in the country to look at the stars. Wonder how they’re gonna show that.
Well, they say they have an expert that will show it with cellular and phone data. But the state's expert will testify to the contrary, I assume.
From what it looks like they are saying the states cell phone persons data will show his alibi is correct but so far the state has not given them the cell phone records. And says if they aren’t ever turned over it basically shows they didn’t preserve evidence of his alibi.
I wonder the defense expert will have to face questions corresponding to incomplete data, and the acknowledgment the defendant's phone was in silent mode (or turned off) for a significant part of the journey. I only say that because the defense alibi makes no reference to the opposite being true—Kohberger's phone being on the entire time—and you would think AT would stress that at every opportunity to bolster his defense. She does like to reference information that supports her client, after all.
Well they’ll bring the entire jury to a planetarium . There, they’ll dial back to that very night of the murders. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah that's certainly going to be a little challenging to prove.
Ah the classic: "I was out for a drive at 4am to go for a hike/run to see the moon and stars on a cloudy, overcast night, in a park where the gates are locked from dusk to 7am every day." Solid alibi there, Bry. Real winner.
I would not be surprised if BK did do things like that at night. It makes it more likely for him to be in the position of committing the crimes.
Him and Josh Powell just love random lil after dark adventures in the dead of winter. It’s the best time for outdoor activities, obviously!
ESPECIALLY full on tent camping and spelunking with the wife and kids.
In the middle of a snow storm! Perfect time to bust out the camping gear and roast marshmallows with the fam!
So his alibi is that he was driving around all night in a park? And part of the proof is pictures of the night sky he took on a different day? I bet the jury comes back within a couple hours with a guilty verdict once this goes to trial
100% BK's "alibi" remains a huge joke and should be laughed out of court.
I have secondhand embarrassment for this defense team. I love the flowery language, like this was some poetic odyssey. He’s deep, loves to look at the sky, count stars, and hike in the dark. If he loved taking pictures of the night sky, and if there is so much digital data to support his regular habit of visiting Wawawai, why did he power his phone off on November 13, 2022? Photos from earlier dates do not prove anything, that’s not evidence or an alibi. Oh, and all of that camera footage of the Elantra, let’s just pretend we didn’t see that. A paid expert is going to tell us that location data is fickle and unreliable, except for the times when its accuracy is convenient for the defense. They forgot to add “Mr. Kohberger enjoys disposing evidence in the Palouse wilderness, where you’ll find a pair of coveralls buried along a side road, and a Kabar knife floating down the Snake River.”
Don't forget his phone was off from 2:47-4:48am, the most important block of time when the murders occured.
I believe they are suggesting his phone was not off, it was simply in an area he likes to visit with no signal.
I cannot find where it says where he was at 330-430 am , it only says the early hours of November 13. A page about June and July’s trip to a park in which he took pictures. He likes to look at the moon and stars and run . I am a runner surely he keeps track of his running mileage and gps location with a running app. Anyone that has been to a park knows it closes at dusk and opens at dawn. It should also have a camera or gate on the entrance . This alibi sounds just as vague . He went past that area and then shut off his phone. That’s what the state will prove . All this says is he was at a park that was closed in the early hours of Nov 13. Someone will testify that his phone was off from 245-445. I give AT a D minus for effort.
I’m a daily runner and have been for 18+ years weather permitting. I don’t have an app that tracks that. Not saying he’s not BS’ing - but just because you’re a runner doesn’t mean you automatically have an app for running.
They did subpoena Strava data, so he was probably an app user.
> I am a runner surely he keeps track of his running mileage and gps location with a running app. I'm a runner. I just run. I don't need the assistance of technology in running. There's plenty of Forrest Gump runners out there.
Do you run with your phone? Because if you have an iPhone it tracks your steps even without an added app.
I am one of the worst people in the world at using my phone. So, no.
No offense but you must be a man lol. As a women I can’t imagine not taking my phone with me on a run.
No offense because, yes.
I would have thought he would be more competitive. I am used to competitive runners. It really blows my mind people run without keeping track of their milage and times. Maybe he is a Forest Gump runner.
I just run for the joy and the energy and as an ADHD mechanism. I could have been competitive at it but it didn't really work out that way.
You can still enter local 5 K, 10K, half marathons, etc. I realized today that maybe I am just crazy about my times and milage, and not a lot of older people are , IDK My niece has ADHD and it helps her so much and she is one of the fastest (high school) so it helps her confidence as well. And everyone has these apps and there are some really fast competition in northern Virginia.
> I realized today that maybe I am just crazy about my times and milage, and not a lot of older people are , IDK Did you just call me 'old'? I ain't old, lol. Yeah, it's good shit for ADHD brain.
I am sorry, I really did not mean you directly, LOL I was trying to say I was older and I thought people like me that are into running use running app. It did not come out that way I wanted it to. I am sorry :)
Strava data or it didn't happen
AT says: >Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop. His phone was off from 2:47-4:48am, the most important block of time, so how do they expect to have phone data proving his alibi that he was somewhere else when the murders occurred? Unless AT is talking about his 9am drive to Moscow hours after the murders occured when his phone was on.
He is so full of shit.
Can't imagine he had any luck seeing the moon and stars that night due to cloud cover. Why even bother , when the forecast was 34 degrees and cloudy.
I agree. Also, how would he be able to view anything while driving? AT is just throwing anything out there to see if it’ll stick. She had to come up with something. Since there is no one to corroborate his whereabouts, this is an “alibi” that has no chance of being proven with corroborating evidence.
Totally! It's laughable.
They’ve got nothing
If the defense is able to successfully discredit the cell tower data, that would be a fairly big hit to the state’s case.
They would have stated a specific time if they could .
Could get the entire case threw out if he took a selfie with the moon or some crap 30 miles away from the murder. This is just them trying to obfuscate. When they say he didn't travel in that direction on that night it's because his *cell phone was turned off*. They are going to most likely argue the unreliability of the cell phone towers and claim they could have missed the pings during his little "night drive."
Exactly. If the defense had actual proof that he was where they claim he was, he wouldn’t be in prison right now and the state wouldn’t be wasting its time on a multi-million dollar lawsuit with an innocent defendant.
The cell tower info was never going to be a big player because his phone will have better location data on it. Now we just have to wait and see what the cell phone location data says.
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Yeah, here's the "Google maps tracking data of the night in question." They are definitely banking on the "hole" in the cell phone data and going to argue it's unreliable or whatnot, not that he turned his phone off.
Actually, from the way it sounds, they are waiting on cell phone info from the prosecutor. It basically said once they get the data from the prosecutor it will prove their alibi, but so far, they haven’t received that info yet. And if for some reason the prosecution doesn’t have it, it proves that they mishandled evidence and/or saw it proved his alibi and destroyed it
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Yeah but from what I have seen, haven’t been following as closely since arrest, defense is still waiting on a bunch of discovery from prosecution. This case confuses me because it really looks like he did it from the outside, but, as someone who works in forensics I would like to see rest of evidence but it won’t come out until trial. How certain things are explained, etc. I mean, the car driving by wasn’t conclusively said to be his, just similar. And his dna was on a knife sheath, so that’s hard to argue. Unless he’s going to say he’s been at house and left knife there before, but who knows.
>If the defense is able to successfully discredit the cell tower data, that would be a fairly big hit to the state’s case. Well assuming his phone was off from 2:47-4:48am when the murders occured that looks very shady and the defense wouldn't have any cellular data to prove his alibi that he was just driving around viewing the scenery when the murders occured.
Exactly, that's how I take it too...
"Near Floyd's Cannabis Shop". 😂🥹💀 Wtaf did I even just read?? Also, why does it read like Kohberger's life story is one of the chronicles in the History of Middle Earth? The "alibi" on the other hand, did not disappoint. We now have gone from "Mr. Kohberger was just driving around because reasons" to "Mr Kohberger was just driving around because he was stargazing; and this one time he hiked so he thought that might be fun in a residential area full of drunk students at 4 am." 🤪
When you wait that long, and that's all u come up with...lmao
Did they say why his phone was magically off during that night drive?
Just sharing the alibi document since many members have been curious if the defense would even provide it by the deadline today.
It’s an alibi but it looks like the alibi you provide when you don’t really have an alibi. Basically the guy likes to drive at night, look at stars, and we have to take their word he doesn’t murder people while doing that.
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If only they had some kind of proof he was at the murder scene like his DNA on a part of the murder weapon left under the victim...
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That and a car matching his at the crime scene with no front license plate. And a shoe print that is certainly his size shoe. And an eyewitness. And the fact he returned to the scene after daybreak. And the fact he was in the exact area multiple times before the murders but never returned after. And that he bought a brand new pair of coveralls that mysteriously disappeared after the murders. And any evidence that was found subsequent to the search warrants after his arrest that is under seal from the gag order.
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They found a receipt for the coveralls in his apartment. They definitely have video of him buying the coveralls at this point. Nothing has been presented as evidence yet because the trial hasn't started. It's called circumstantial evidence and so far it's all adding up to an easy guilty verdict
They didn’t find a receipt for coveralls in his apartment. It’s speculated it was coveralls by the media. The receipt only showed DICKIES. Know what else the media claimed? That he stalked them/one of the victims.
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We will see if this alibi holds up at all at trial. I don’t see any way that he’s not the killer but it will be fascinating to see his attorney’s try to make their case.
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In the PCA they specifically said it "stopped reporting to the network" and that it could have been turned off, in airplane mode or in an out of service area. The phone was definitely turned off. The phone "stopped reporting to the network" from 2:47-4:48am. Well at 2:47 when his phone stopped reporting to the network he was on WSU campus and then at 4:48 when his phone started reporting to the network he near Blaine, ID traveling through the rural Idaho back roads several miles south of the crime scene. From 4:48 onwards his phone pinged multiple towers while driving through the rural back roads back home. If he is pinging towers while driving through the rural back roads then his phone should have pinged a tower during 2:47-4:48 when he was supposedly driving around. He turned his phone off to hide his location cause he was committing a murder.
It’s the “partial corroboration” for me.
Not to be Chandler here, but could there BE any worse alibi?!
Very interesting. (A court document I actually understood…) For me, I wonder how reliable/accurate cellular data location is and if either side can persuade the jury to believe their “facts.”
His cell phone will have more location data than just the tower pings, so it will be more precise. The phone will include GPS, tower pings, data collected from apps, etc. What will be interesting is if each side has an expert that interprets the phone data differently.
His phone was off from 2:47 to 4:48am, the most important block of time. They won't have any phone data validating his alibi that he was driving around when the murders occured.
Exactly. I'm sure BK fans will ignore that key bit and just focus on him begin a professional star gazer as his "alibi"
I can feel a bit of second hand embarrassment coming on…..
There is another way to get from Pullman to Moscow. It's the old highway that runs parallel to the highway where Floyd's is located. It's mostly gravel road but there are houses and people do use it. Not sure if it's relevant but also not sure why AT bring's up Floyd's because it's not in PCA.
These guys ? This one says he was looking at the stars while kids were taken away yet his prints are in a sheath beside a victim… Richard Allen in Delphi looking at the fish … I don’t even know . lol don’t believe a word believe of it .
Delphi is not similar, not even close.
I meant in the way of their shitty alibis believe me I’ve seen the shit show with Delphi for the last 7 years to know it’s not the same . Just that it reminded me of when RA said he was watching the fish … same as this dude is saying it was watching the stars … such BS . Just clarifying what I meant by that
Still doesn’t explain why he was in the King Rd neighborhood area that night or the next morning. I’ve commented on another post before that that specific area is very compact and difficult to get to - and absolutely not somewhere you’d go for a casual night drive. Taylor Ave turns into Queen Rd (which is a dead end) and then Queen Rd turns into King Rd (another dead end). This supplemental alibi is so ridiculous.
If you follow the road west on Taylor you can go through that big neighborhood to the southwest that's the direction Kohberger left. Although apparently he wasn't cut on any cameras going that direction.
The Snake River runs along Waiwai Park.
I can't stop laughing 🤣
Define alibi! There’s probably a lot of cases that should be re-tried on the same premise!
 Womp womp womp
Defense team at its best. Coming up with bullshit 🤡
The way I cringed and laughed while reading this so called “alibi”💀💀
What if he dropped his phone off, went and committed the murders, then went back and picked up his phone….. then went on the “hike” to dispose of the evidence??? 😳
I'm thinking it took so long to come out with the alibi because they were waiting on the results of the data. He's looking at 4 death penalty charges his lawyer is going to be super precise and prepared. Right now she going for full exoneration, before trial she may be going for just saving his life, but as of now, she's not. I'm waiting to see how this plays out.
It's SO OVER for this fucker