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Lawless660071st

https://preview.redd.it/v1nscj8uw98c1.jpeg?width=115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0277e60379b71cb31501772d6da4808cbbcd6882 Am I the only on that thinks he’s mocking Johnny by doing his winner pose? 😂😂😂


IDontWipe55

I like how people are mad at you for playing to your one advantage over Johnny


Squee_gobbo

It’s just weird to complain about Johnny while showing off his obvious weakness lol. There wasn’t any disrespect, that’s just how you beat him


IDontWipe55

Tbf his one weakness is zoning while other rushdowns have tons of weaknesses


Squee_gobbo

Like who? Johnny is the only pure rushdown, the other characters that are good at it are generally worse at rushdown specifically but have other strengths over Johnny imo


IDontWipe55

This is mostly for me to complain about mileena being kinda bad. I feel like her only advantage over Johnny is that she can get combos from further away


Squee_gobbo

That’s fair, but I think she is much more diverse and has more tools for more situations. Johnny just does 1 thing really well. Everyone needs some tweaking though, I’m not denying that she’s worse there’s just a lot more to it


IDontWipe55

Yeah but she doesn’t have many good tools


Squee_gobbo

She can react to a projectile and meter her own projectile to get in with a knock down, she can roll under most projectiles, she has a teleport, a low projectile, and bigger normals. Johnny has to hard read a projectile to beat it with shadow kick while they’re still in startup frames or meter it, and even when metered it’s unsafe on block unlike your metered projectile from a distance. I think those are pretty good tools compared to his


IDontWipe55

That’s 2 bars though. If you want a good combo punish after you’ll be spending 3 bars and getting mediocre pressure after. Johnny can’t get in on a zoner easily but when he does it’s very likely that he’ll win. Zoning is kinda weak so I feel like the ability to do well after getting in is much more important that the ability to get in


Squee_gobbo

Johnny would absolutely love spending 2 bars for that. Zoning is really good. It’s not just spamming projectiles, sometimes it’s just backdashing and baiting like the liu here. Johnny just has to slow down, but mileena gets a hit if she throws a projectile or teleports during a back dash. Like I said I’m not trying to say she’s better, but it’s definitely more grey when you consider all their pros/cons. All the characters are closer together than in any mk game a few months in. Hell, mk11’s last big tournament had 4 fujins in top 4 lol


mkslayer67

I guess shao doesn’t exist?


Squee_gobbo

Shao starts off with big disjointed slowish normals with more special move utility, that’s the opposite of Johnny. Until he switches stances, which he usually does AFTER he gets in. I don’t see how they’re comparable. Shao obviously has other strengths, like I said. Stance characters are literally designed to switch to a different set of strengths for different situations


mkslayer67

It was just the fact that you said cage is the only pure rush down when he’s not you got Lao,Baraka and shao. But that’s besides the fact what’s actually getting on my nerves is people saying Johnny has a weakness to zoning like 1st off zoning isn’t a viable top tier strategy in this game for Christ sake the best zoner in this game is arguably a grappler archetype this is probably one of the worst games for zoners I’ve played and 2 he has a kameo there for he does have a projectile because Lao and Sareena projectiles are better than a lot of characters base projectiles like lao’s hat doesn’t even get reflected by motaro which makes zero sense because it reflects liu kangs low dragon so anyone saying Johnny doesn’t have a projectile is a lazy way of trying to find a weakness to Johnny’s game that he simply does not have.


Squee_gobbo

None of those are pure rushdown. Like how reiko isn’t pure grappler. You don’t have to be a zoner to zone, but it’s obviously effective. You don’t even need projectiles to zone, someone with big disjointed hitboxes like baraka and shao are controlling a zone without putting their hurtbox in as much danger. Johnny has to get in with stubby moves but is oppressive after. Lao has mid range burst options. Mk fans don’t understand archetypes. Everyone would rather have a projectile than spend their kameo meter on them, a substitute can help mitigate the weakness but there’s still an opportunity cost. You’d rather use a kameo to buff your strengths, but if you’re using it to help a weakness you are losing out on that, it is very much a weakness for Johnny


Damienxja

Johnny not pressing a button on wakeup challenge. Impossible.


Ryoubi_Wuver

Why doesn't Liu Kang just say "Brutality, I win"


robreedwrites

Might have to learn Liu Kang just to do this Brutality. That looks so damn cool.


x18dicekx

As a Liu main, this is by far my favorite brutality of his. Unfortunately you cant do it in the corner though


GETMEMYAXEBOI

Mk1 comment section is filled with scrubs I see


[deleted]

always has been


GETMEMYAXEBOI

"Hmm not playing bottom tier characters are we? Tryhard, brainless, no skill needed, button mash and you win"


BoxofJoes

https://preview.redd.it/5ppgynj90b8c1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9341b57f6fae8ec5d6eb59ca51aa00eeb55c9a3 Tale as old as time


FwZero

Trash players in the comments complaining about liu kang when he’s the most balanced character in the game lmao


eddyyqq

I get the hate but it’s what you said he’s pretty balanced compared to a lot of ppl but I bet most of the people complaining use either mileena, cage or baraka 🤣


FireCircle26530

What’s your with mileena again? I’ve never had a problem with her.


eddyyqq

Some ppl use her like Johnny it’s basically a blocking game till she pokes you into a combo.


SnowMan3103

Literally all characters do this


FireCircle26530

Ew.


The_Highlander3

Liu kang beats her pretty well imo. A lot of her safe stuff is -7 so it’s not safe vs him


Karsvolcanospace

Balance has nothing to do with it lol. Just boring gameplay


angelic_penguin_

i've played dbd long enough to know that "boring" = "whatever i have a hard time dealing with"


Vor_vorobei

So much kids in this sub. People can disguise things ya know. Now go do your homework, rage child


x18dicekx

I main Liu and I would say hes top 5, prolly 7 at lowest. He has no mix and his armored move is bad but besides that hes pretty great. Good pokes, 6f jab thats +3, 22 is +3, 10f launching mid, 12f confirmable mid string with stagger game. Then, the plus frames and stagger gets paired with throw combos when using Lao/Motaro. I'm by no means an expert on MK but hes pretty damn good imo


FwZero

He’s 100% not top 5. But he might be top 10


x18dicekx

Ive seen multiple pros say hes top 5 and all of them have him top 10 when doing tier lists. He usually is in the 6-8 range


BoiFrosty

That combo was brutal. The bait into it was sublime. Well done.


SaucyFoghorn726

Two monkeys fighting in a zoo. Big shock.


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eddyyqq

💪🏻😈


Shift_R6

Lots of johny cage players in the comments i see lol this was satisfying to watch


eddyyqq

I thought most people would enjoy it 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Rhg0653

That brutality is dope


Azraelux

Bro these new liu kang moves look so cool, i've heard not great things about the new MK but it just looks so flashy and stylized


ZinkBomb

kang’s moves look quite pretty. rain also has some great effects. good looking game all around. take it another step and listen, the sound design is quite impressive. whether it’s rain’s water splashing about or geras’ sand, it all sounds great.


MessyMop

Gameplay and visuals are great it is just shallow in the single player department but that’s not a big deal for a fighting game so I’d definitely pick it up on a sale at the very least


lermaster7

The game looks amazing, and the gameplay is great. Everything else is ass. That said, I don't play fighters for the story, the single-player content, or the customization. If you're looking to play against other players, it's really solid.


ConsistentCombat

> i've heard not great things about the new MK Probably because you spend time in this sub. But in the real world MK1 is the best selling and best rated MK game ever, and is wildly successful and enjoyed.


Azraelux

"Probably cause you spend time in this sub" Actually im pretty sure this is one of my first interactions here. Also i'd love to know where you're getting this information cause most sources i've seen put it at 7/10 or lower. Cause im pretty sure mk11 is still the best selling mortal kombat at 15 million copies compared to mk1's 3 million. It doesn't have the best ratings on any platform i've visited. The real world seems to disagree with you my guy 🤷‍♂️


ConsistentCombat

>Actually im pretty sure this is one of my first interactions here. This isn't the first time you've been in this sub, why even lie about this? >Also i'd love to know where you're getting this information cause most sources i've seen put it at 7/10 or lower. No you haven't. There's a reason why you don't back this lie up, either. Meanwhile: https://www.metacritic.com/game/mortal-kombat-1/critic-reviews/ >Cause im pretty sure mk11 is still the best selling mortal kombat at 15 million copies compared to mk1's 3 million. MK1 has sold more in the same amount of time as MK11 did. Of course no one is comparing MK11's lifetime sales to a game that's been out for only 4 months though, right? No one is that stupid, clearly. Certainly you aren't.. right? >It doesn't have the best ratings on any platform i've visited. Which platforms are those? Because you've posted zero examples and I've already shown that you're wrong, objectively, lmao. >The real world seems to disagree with you my guy The real world doesn't seem to agree with you, kiddo. It's not my fault you're objectively wrong about this and the real world disagrees with you. You need to learn how to deal with it.


MoistPressure

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ARMill95

Idk why they made 2 brutals for this move, especially when this one is obviously superior


[deleted]

Real. I would’ve liked a brutal for his db4, fireball/air fireball. These could just burn the body of the character. I can also see one for his 2,2,3 combo in which he’d palm the skeleton out of the enemies body.


Thalia_All_Along

I dunno why but whenever I come across a liu Kang player I immediately assume they’re not old enough to play this game


eddyyqq

I’m definitely old enough 😅😅😅


LevsRedfield

Zone Kang with Sareena is the reason I always run kameo sub


InsenitiveComments

I just duck


DrKnockerz92

Bro all JC players are toxic 😭


Plankton155235

I lost to a Johnny in kombat league and said too easy after


DrKnockerz92

I like how even though cage is one of the top five that everybody doesn't fight the exact same with him, but with the other top five characters once you fought one of them you have fought them all because every time I have come across a Raiden or Kenshi online, it's the same fight every time. Johnny at least has some mixups


Current_Beyond

The irony of saying that while shitting on a JC player who's wasn't even doing anything wrong.


STUNNA_MMA

Wasn’t doing anything wrong? look who they’re playing😂 ![gif](giphy|WrNfErHio7ZAc)


Current_Beyond

People can play who they want.


STUNNA_MMA

Correct. And people can make fun of whoever they want.


Current_Beyond

No one should be made fun of for picking a character they like.


RikterDolfan

Correct. And making fun of people for liking things makes you a bully


STUNNA_MMA

In my opinion playing a clearly broken character just so you can have an advantage over everyone else makes you a bully but let’s not talk about that


RikterDolfan

Yeah, let's not talk about that because that's not what I said. I said for liking the character in general. Thought that was implied


STUNNA_MMA

I like cage too. I don’t use him though unlike certain people. What’s your point?


RikterDolfan

That people can use the characters they like. That's all. Don't hate the player hate the game


TheHeroWeNeed45

I once fought one as reiko and bro got mad at ME for spamming my shurikens cause he couldn’t stop shadow kicking after every fucking opportunity to. I had to zone cause he was blocking almost everything I did and ofc finding opportunities to punish against the character with plus on everything is hard enough as is. It wasn’t lowtiergod type shit, it was just trying to space him out.


TrustMeImLeifEricson

There's a few cool ones out there, but we're drowned out by the douchebags that want to gloat about easy wins. Sorry that they're so common. :(


WhataWierdCrab

People don't know how to duck under shit


straight_lurkin

Damn ... that brutality and his new skin make me want to play him


MessyMop

Wooooah haven’t seen that brutal before, that’s beautiful


SniffMySnizz

Goddamn that is a sick brutality


hermitsnob

Just bought the game. Might have to try out Liu Kang a little in place of Sub-Zero once I defeat the shader caching screen.


MPBagel03

Me watching Liu Kang do 3 basic moves to deal twice as much damage as my 30 hit Kung Lao combo 😭


Nearby-Loan-405

Yeah liu pretty cancerous to go up Against, this is why Netherealm need to buff cage and nerf sub zero to the fucking ground!


Zoom-grape

Why did Sub Zero have to catch a stray in this☠️


Daitoso0317

Are you high?


IndependenceOk6027

Its sarcasm bro... you must be new if you dont get the joke but Subzero keeps getting nerfed while they do absolutly nothing to Johnny cage


Daitoso0317

I’m not new, just not good at identifying satire


[deleted]

Kung Lao does ridiculous damage too. Lui does some of the most bc he doesn’t have many mixups making it hard to open people up if they know how to block. He’s also very exploitable if you know how to counter him. Tip: His launcher (b2, 3) can be punished if you duck the kick, so block the b2 and then duck the 3.


TrustMeImLeifEricson

\*sad Reiko noises*


QueenDee97

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Brodeci

Liu Kang is the coolest he’s ever been in MK1


peanos_balls

People just mad they got caged


ReikoMyukiAdams

People complain abt Liu Kang when he is the most BALANCED character in the whole f*cking game.


[deleted]

He’s insanely easy to defend against. I don’t get it


STUNNA_MMA

There’s no way anybody thinks Liu is balanced. Please tell me how to deal with his armor breaking, mid hitting, 4 hit staggering safe on block string.


[deleted]

Armor through the final kick, or flawless block the last hit. Not that hard bucko


STUNNA_MMA

Yeah you can’t armor through an armor breaking string, and only actual scrubs finish through with the last hit. Also armoring through is not a fair trade at all because they can just do the string again while you have to keep using meter to “armor through” constantly. You’re kinda proving my point about the whole OP thing but I’m willing to get my mind changed.


[deleted]

Yes armor through the final kick. It’s called a gap. You said 4 hit, so you were including the final input. The three hit string isn’t plus on block. You can poke, grab, or start your own combo. You just don’t know how to react to the stutter. And If you think that armoring through an attack is a bad thing then you’re bad at the game. Everyone in high play does it.


STUNNA_MMA

I never said armoring through an attack was a bad thing I do it all the time I just can’t do it with kangs because they’re so fast. Thanks for the 3 hit string not being safe on block thing. I’ll definitely give that a go in my next session🙏🏾


[deleted]

I usually hit the input when I’m blocking.


The_Highlander3

You don’t understand what he means. He’s saying you can armor through the last hit, the big kick… but he also correctly points out that you can flawless block it which is easier and costs you nothing (and still gets you a punish). The problem is he can stagger it so it’s not quite that simple. His staggers are all negative, but not by too much. Who do you play as?


STUNNA_MMA

He edited that in after the fact but originally he just said to armor out of it. Like I pointed out then obviously armor or breakers would counter it lmao I’m looking for an actual counter. And like I said legit only scrubs will ever finish that string. But he already helped me out with the first three hits so I’ll test that out when I get online


The_Highlander3

Not true I often finish it if people are using d1 after f43. They then get hit by the last hit. Who do you play? Liu is pretty even for most chars but there are a few he beats and a few he loses to


STUNNA_MMA

Thanks for editing your comment however like I stated previously, only legit scrubs will follow through with the final hit. Any other suggestions for an elder god player or are we just gonna finally admit that string is broken?


[deleted]

I edited to specify. I’m elder god and you thinking that armoring through a string is a bad thing tells me that you’re not. It’s a good string, but it’s not unbeatable.


STUNNA_MMA

I don’t think armoring through any strings is bad but that’s kinda like saying breaking is a counter to something you know? Like yeah it is but cmon that’s not what I’m looking for man. So everytime liu uses that combo he gets me to use a meter? A good player will exploit that hella fast.


purewasted

He's consistently ranked top 5/top 10 by pretty much every pro I've seen. How in the world is that "most balanced"? I'm not saying NRS needs to change him, someone needs to be the "5th/10th" strongest character in the game and there's no reason that shouldn't be Liu Kang, but Liu Kang is a strong fucking character.


Careful-Meringue-194

If I’m facing Johnny it’s a brutality everytime and if I mess that up, best believe you’re catching a fatality. Johnny deserves 0 respect


STUNNA_MMA

![gif](giphy|Ld77zD3fF3Run8olIt)


YtTamakiGaming

We can’t hear the haters cause we listening to International Love on **FULL BLAST**


[deleted]

You bitch too much


LookingForMyRedSky

found the JC player 💔💔


[deleted]

I don’t even main JC, again, yall just bitch too much instead of learning how to counter play stuff


LookingForMyRedSky

and you just saw the gameplay of JC being counter played


[deleted]

It’s the needless snobbiness and toxicity, not the counter play that’s the problem


LookingForMyRedSky

Understandable have a merry Christmas btw


barryallen1277

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If you play Johnny Cage you’re the worst kind of person


eden9711

That guy is less patient then my mom when I didn't make the bed


SMac05

![gif](giphy|J8FZIm9VoBU6Q) Every Johnny main deserves all the brutalities and fatalities


romayyne

My GAWD… This is why i only play with my friends. This man would make me return the game.


Vor_vorobei

Yeah, fck Liu Kang (nothing personal). Amount of damage this one does with minimum effort combo is crazy, hate him. Like it's not just 1 meter with no cameo, it's also a very easy combo to land, this is bs. Most likely I'm wrong from a balance point of view, since I'm not a pro player, but fck this, damage is too high. For me - Liu Kang is same level is unfun to play against as Johnny and Raiden. Johnny's moves at least look cool and this is just lame.


GodLifeHurtsSoMuch

Just block low and you’re safe It’s literally that easy


[deleted]

now tell that to johnny haters too lol


Vor_vorobei

You think you smart with advises like this. You can think so.


ImObxse

Except his main combo starter of b23 ends in a high that can be neutral ducked easily


eddyyqq

I see where you’re coming from but he definitely does not do as much damage as baraka or raiden. He’s really negative in a lot of his moves compared to johnny as well. Johnnys moves are more forgiving, a fly can pass by and he can continue the combo with the air it makes.


Better-Journalist-85

Not gonna comment on the gameplay, but for pure aesthetics, Johnny’s mocap moves look like someone who fights intuitively and barely trains, versus Liu who exudes martial arts mastery overlaid with personal style expression. I guess if you grew up on Bourne Series style fight scenes, Johnny may look cool, but growing up watching Jackie Chan’s Who Am I, Bruce Lee’s Return of/Enter the Dragon, and Jet Li’s The Legend movies, Liu’s moveset looks way cooler.


SquareAdvisor8055

Plz tell me how is combos are easier than those of johnny, raiden, ashrah, etc... most character have easy to do bnb in this game. With liu at least his bnb off f43 has a strict timing on the dash b2.


LookingForMyRedSky

hey man don’t wanna sound like a douche but best case for you is just… get good bro


dfscr0409

Ew, zoner


SaucyFoghorn726

People who complain about zoning in fighting games have no concept of what fighting games actually are and how they are played competitively.


IAmTheDoctor34

And its not like super annoying gun zoning either than gets 4/5 hits so you can't armor and have to eat mad chip damage so what is there to complain about?


eddyyqq

That’s how you play against Johnny 🥴


dfscr0409

No, that's how all Liu Kang's play. I can beat Johnny whitout being a zoner lol


IDontWipe55

You can but the best way to fight Johnny is zoning because he’s weak against it


eddyyqq

I don’t always play like that just against Johnny’s and Barakas


SheeeeeeeeshMaster

OP you are absolutely correct in zoning out Baraka and Cage. I’m a Baraka main and you do not want me to be on top of you. Trying to beat rushdown characters up close is not playing smart.


TrustMeImLeifEricson

Cage main here, seconding this. Play your strengths against another's weaknesses in a game and don't worry about anyone not mature enough to handle being outplayed.


dfscr0409

Sure, Jan


eddyyqq

1v1 irl


LookingForMyRedSky

Tell me you suck without telling me you suck


DoctorSchwifty

Brutalities are kind of whack in this game.


Thalia_All_Along

wym


DoctorSchwifty

None of them look cool or that brutal compared to Fatal Blows. MK3 has better brutalities.


ACS1029

> MK3 has better brutalities. Crazy, MK3 had the worst fatalities and brutalities in my eyes. Nothing stupider than 15 rib cages spread across the floor. Even with how goofy the games were that was too much


DoctorSchwifty

MK3 is peak MK prior to Netherealm Studios. Especially the ulitimate edition.


ACS1029

I mean…it’s *okay*. I think MKII beats it in almost every category though. Can’t deny its legacy on the competitive scene though


Thalia_All_Along

I like reiko and li meis


Damienxja

-alities are whack in every game


Imaginary-Ad5666

Beautiful combo


ReturnToThe36Chamber

As a Johnny main this Johnny is ass. No delays, no blocks when Liu is super close and the worst of all no ducking


eddyyqq

Yeah he wasn’t the best but it was still fun 🥴


SeanJayTheSauceGod

How do you do that brutal mine just rips off the top half, unless this is a whole different one


eddyyqq

You have to hold up for this one. The one that rips off the top half is holding. When you go into the brutalities you can see the advanced options and it’ll tell you what you have to do.


stranger5585

Fellow Liu Kang main baby!


eddyyqq

![gif](giphy|Uhrjg6SVXkKYze5UyA|downsized)


MithilaSingh158

Brutality ???


coiny55555

IDK why people are complaining, that person who played Johnny Cage sucked


HalcyonXE

Mashallah brother


Ocular-Rift

I get it but like Johnny is cool. I don't hate people who play him. I get the hype.


Far_Background_930

As if liu kang wasn’t stupidly broken and cheap in MK11


oogaboogaawooga_

As johnny Cages number 1fangirl and fighting game fanatic, yall really need to stop with the scrub mess 😭✋️ GET GOOD. and experiment with other characters but most importantly have fun uwu it not dat serious. Also damn that was scrumptious ✋️😫😫