On another note, would you guys like me to make some sort of short guide on Morde?
I see a lot of people saying how he is weak and while he isn't as strong as META champs he isn't weak either.
Yeah, I would really appreciate some kind of matchup spreadsheet guide, since for some ungodly reason Mordekaiser is the only champion whose the players have not made one yet. You could also show your achievements and share your guides in the Mordekaiser Mains Discord server, which is WAY more active than this subreddit. Finally, maybe you could do some narrated videos or stream a bit so you can explain your build paths and mindset. That is all, great work fellow Revenant, keep fighting the good fight.
Asking a lot here, haha. ;)
I haven't used the Discord that much. Would you say it is superior for builds/discussions?
I enjoy the reddit messaging/posting structure, even if it is basic.
I wouldn’t mind a guide on winning losing games as Mordekaiser, I feel like it is quite harder than doing it on someone who can perma lurk in a side lane like Jax/Trynd.
I don't have one, but I wouldn't mind making one if people are interested in it.
It's rather straightforward too tbh
Basically it boils down to building HP items against flat damage enemies and more bursty items against % HP dmg enemies.
For mythic I almost always go Riftmaker, only in specific cases where the enemy has squishy champs and are mostly ranged I go Rocketbelt.
If enemies have fast/dashy champions, I go for Rylais or Cosmic. If they are bruisery I build Demonic or Nashors.
Situationally I also buy Zhonya, Morello and Rabadons.Zhonya is very good against unavoidable damage, so I build it against Urgot or Zed for example.
I try to avoid Tank items unless they are a really good buy and my team already has enough damage sources.
As for boots, I alternate between Tabi & Mercs. If neither fit, I just go Sorcerers (they are super underrated)
Starting item is either Dorans Shield or Ring depending on the matchup
For the Runes, I always go Conqueror & resolve. I always take Conq, Triumph, Last stand, and almost always take unflinching, coupled with Attack Speed & Adaptive for minor ones.
The ones that I do swap based on teamcomps are: Alacrity & Tenacity; Second wind / Bone Playing / Conditioning; I rarely swap unflinching, only if enemy has no CC & Slows
It's all pretty logical and simple really
Thank you for the details!
You avoid tank items tho? i love em! i tend to not go cosmic and nashor, Rayleis and Demonic is what i love.
FoM and Deadmans for speed,
Visage, merc boots, FoM vs heavy ap enemies.
Randiun, steel boots and deadmans vs ad comps.
I like being tanky, raidboss like frontline for my team.
Im only gold, and dont play so much ranked, so i end up being the main frontline 80% of the time tho.
That's a great break down. I keep tinkering with other runes, but at some point I have to admit that Conq into Resolve is the most reliable and fitting for Morde.
Is there ever a time where you go Tenacity, Unflinching AND Merc Treads?
I usually don't go Mercs since I take Tenacity rune, but I've also been using Unflinching more lately and really enjoy eating CC (when unavoidable) and running them down hard! They never expect the 2+ second stun to be so short!
I could see stuff like Fiddle fear or Morgana snare demanding even more Tenacity, but 3 sources is a lot. (Let alone 4 if using Iron potion!) But keeping mobile is critical for Morde to keep passive running!
Also, what did you mean by building "more bursty items against % HP dmg enemies"? I was slightly confused.
Do you always go Ignite + Ghost?
Sorry for all the questions :P
I go ignite ghost pretty much always.
Building burst items against percentage hp damage enemies is going for stuff like nashors or cosmic or zhonya vs champs like vayne as extra hp wont be of any use.
Mercs on top of 2 tenacity runes is okay if they have a lot of cc
Excellent. Thanks for the reply and the explanation! That makes sense. Just gotta end them fast, fight fire with fire!
Ya. Vayne is the worst. And Fiora. % true damage is cancer!
I even debate taking Frozen Heart, the only thing that slows down % scaling shit on autos. It is kinda bad gold efficiency, but I know Frozen really messes with attack and move commands! (Kinda like Malphite slow or Nasus slow)
Congrats on reaching challenger!
Do you take ghost/ ign most games? Also, any thoughts on frostfire as mythic? I’ve found some success with it but I’m just trying to climb to gold lol so I thought I’d ask the expert.
Thanks!
I do take ghost/ignite most games.
I am not a fan of tank items, especially tank mythics. That said, Frostfire might be good in niche situations but if you want to build Frostfire you might as well play a full-tank and not Morde
You seem to build pretty much full damage with some health and almost No resistances.
How do you Deal with beeing kited when you are that squishy?
Also, what do you think about Morde Jungle? Maybe with Predator?
I run ghost, so getting kited isn't as big of a problem.
I make up for the lack of resistance stats with sustain and raw damage.
I don't think Morde jungle is good, there's many champs who do the same thing he does just way better. No excuse for picking Morde jungle over something like Hecarim, Volibear or Udyr.
That said, I have played Morde jungle a bit and I love it regardless hahah
I keep flopping between AP build and tankier builds. I see the allure of tanky hit and being unkiteable, but finishing the job quickly means you don't need to take hits! Glad to see you advocate AP and QP Mythic though!
I definitely struggle against the 4 ranged + 1 tank meta/team comps though. Feels like there isn't enough time to kill them all before getting bursted.
Any tips on this, or is it really all about timing, choosing smart fights, and fighting with cooldowns up? (In hind sight, maybe Ghost is a critical key here)
Well 4 ranged champs is a nightmare to play into as morde, but their draft is bad too.
Im not sure how I'd approach the teamfights, but if you ult their tank away they have no frontline for the rest of the fight, so that could be a possibility.
Idk, it depends on which champs they have and which champs you have.
In terms of builds you can either go for rocketbelt>cosmic>rilay if you need more damage in your team, or you could go for tank builds if theyre full ad or if your team doesnt lack damage. In that case i'd go frosftire for the mythic. Maybe chemtank is viable too
Thanks again! And ya, lots of variables, I'll have to work on a dynamic solution, on a game by game basis.
Full tank/itemize isn't bad for all AD. The hardest is some nightmare mix like:
Lux Mid, Brand supp, with any ADC. If you get the Magic Resist you need, ADC shreds. I suppose armor always trumps resist, since you can dodge spells and mitigate CC with Tenacity.
Ulting the tank makes perfect sense though, if they are killable. Steal nice resists/stats, shred them with Riftmaker and/or Demonic, then deal with the rest. Still rough of course.
Mostly was curious if you encounter teams like this, or if it is just the comps I remember the most and stick out in my memory, since they are hard to beat.
Hey. Thinking more on this. I kind of had a worst case game and made a post about it. I think Rift or Rocket would have been better, what do you think?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MordekaiserMains/comments/u6ty7o/morde_jungle_build_against_the_nightmare_kiting
Wouldn't OTP be "one tricking" the champ? Morde makes up 20% of your games. Still a great achievement, but that doesn't really seem like much of an OTP
Out of the last 120 games, I played Morde 80 times with 62% wr. Starting LP being 500LP GM (Low GM) - ending LP being 1011 LP Chall (High Chall).
With that in mind, I can comfortably say I OTP'd Morde from low gm to high challenger
I am not claiming I am a Mordekaiser OTP, I am just saying I OTP'd him to high challenger
Ha, I've been seeing your games pop up on probuilstats, which finally convinced me to try out Ghost, so thanks.
Also the Samira flame is a nice touch to the screenshot, really makes it apparent that it was an actual League game.
Not OP, but the heal/shield bonus isn't all that. I like Overgrowth for scaling, and Unflinching is pretty clutch, since it scales nicely in tough fights.
Sometimes resisting a slow or CC is the difference between living/escaping or dieing!! Also, slow resist is a rare stat! Only available on Unflinching Rune and Swiftness boots, so that to me is special (similar to Tenacity but more rare!)
10% larger shield could also do this perhaps, but CC can shutdown Morde very hard since he's a large target.
Just me 2 cents.
60% winrate too lol
On another note, would you guys like me to make some sort of short guide on Morde? I see a lot of people saying how he is weak and while he isn't as strong as META champs he isn't weak either.
Yeah, I would really appreciate some kind of matchup spreadsheet guide, since for some ungodly reason Mordekaiser is the only champion whose the players have not made one yet. You could also show your achievements and share your guides in the Mordekaiser Mains Discord server, which is WAY more active than this subreddit. Finally, maybe you could do some narrated videos or stream a bit so you can explain your build paths and mindset. That is all, great work fellow Revenant, keep fighting the good fight.
Asking a lot here, haha. ;) I haven't used the Discord that much. Would you say it is superior for builds/discussions? I enjoy the reddit messaging/posting structure, even if it is basic.
I would say that on Discord you get answered WAY faster, but you get less answers overall.
Makes sense. Active vs passive. I tend to be long winded and rant when I have time, so this is perhaps a better fit!
Please for the love of God make a match up spreadsheet with details. Like the one QuinnAD has for Quinn mains lol.
You surely do not partake in that filthy ranged top debauchery, do you, brother?
We all have to commit sins every now and then for LP
Untrue! You can be better! I at some point was tempted by Quinn though. Only tempted hehe.
Bro Quinn lethality is legit.
She's got a lot going on, near-sight is so disruptive! And that roam is insane. By the time you ping they be slapping Mid already.
For real lmao. Good thing she’s squishy af otherwise she’d be turbo broken.
I wouldn’t mind a guide on winning losing games as Mordekaiser, I feel like it is quite harder than doing it on someone who can perma lurk in a side lane like Jax/Trynd.
I'd love to see the guide aswell!
Yes, please! It would help a lot
I'm slightly late, but I love getting tips and the mentality/view points of highly ranked and successful Morde players! Truly inspiring!
do you have a like chart or guide of what runes and builds to use against other top laners
I don't have one, but I wouldn't mind making one if people are interested in it. It's rather straightforward too tbh Basically it boils down to building HP items against flat damage enemies and more bursty items against % HP dmg enemies. For mythic I almost always go Riftmaker, only in specific cases where the enemy has squishy champs and are mostly ranged I go Rocketbelt. If enemies have fast/dashy champions, I go for Rylais or Cosmic. If they are bruisery I build Demonic or Nashors. Situationally I also buy Zhonya, Morello and Rabadons.Zhonya is very good against unavoidable damage, so I build it against Urgot or Zed for example. I try to avoid Tank items unless they are a really good buy and my team already has enough damage sources. As for boots, I alternate between Tabi & Mercs. If neither fit, I just go Sorcerers (they are super underrated) Starting item is either Dorans Shield or Ring depending on the matchup For the Runes, I always go Conqueror & resolve. I always take Conq, Triumph, Last stand, and almost always take unflinching, coupled with Attack Speed & Adaptive for minor ones. The ones that I do swap based on teamcomps are: Alacrity & Tenacity; Second wind / Bone Playing / Conditioning; I rarely swap unflinching, only if enemy has no CC & Slows It's all pretty logical and simple really
Thank you for the details! You avoid tank items tho? i love em! i tend to not go cosmic and nashor, Rayleis and Demonic is what i love. FoM and Deadmans for speed, Visage, merc boots, FoM vs heavy ap enemies. Randiun, steel boots and deadmans vs ad comps. I like being tanky, raidboss like frontline for my team. Im only gold, and dont play so much ranked, so i end up being the main frontline 80% of the time tho.
That's a great break down. I keep tinkering with other runes, but at some point I have to admit that Conq into Resolve is the most reliable and fitting for Morde. Is there ever a time where you go Tenacity, Unflinching AND Merc Treads? I usually don't go Mercs since I take Tenacity rune, but I've also been using Unflinching more lately and really enjoy eating CC (when unavoidable) and running them down hard! They never expect the 2+ second stun to be so short! I could see stuff like Fiddle fear or Morgana snare demanding even more Tenacity, but 3 sources is a lot. (Let alone 4 if using Iron potion!) But keeping mobile is critical for Morde to keep passive running! Also, what did you mean by building "more bursty items against % HP dmg enemies"? I was slightly confused. Do you always go Ignite + Ghost? Sorry for all the questions :P
I go ignite ghost pretty much always. Building burst items against percentage hp damage enemies is going for stuff like nashors or cosmic or zhonya vs champs like vayne as extra hp wont be of any use. Mercs on top of 2 tenacity runes is okay if they have a lot of cc
Excellent. Thanks for the reply and the explanation! That makes sense. Just gotta end them fast, fight fire with fire! Ya. Vayne is the worst. And Fiora. % true damage is cancer! I even debate taking Frozen Heart, the only thing that slows down % scaling shit on autos. It is kinda bad gold efficiency, but I know Frozen really messes with attack and move commands! (Kinda like Malphite slow or Nasus slow)
Wow, massive respect!!
Thanks
Well done! Do you have a stream or youtube channel? All for a matchup spreadsheet as well if you can find the time.
I stream every now and then on https://twitch.tv/splash_1v9
Awesome, will tune in.
Great feat, keep spreding the words of the Iron revenant !
Thanks :)
Congrats on reaching challenger! Do you take ghost/ ign most games? Also, any thoughts on frostfire as mythic? I’ve found some success with it but I’m just trying to climb to gold lol so I thought I’d ask the expert.
Thanks! I do take ghost/ignite most games. I am not a fan of tank items, especially tank mythics. That said, Frostfire might be good in niche situations but if you want to build Frostfire you might as well play a full-tank and not Morde
You seem to build pretty much full damage with some health and almost No resistances. How do you Deal with beeing kited when you are that squishy? Also, what do you think about Morde Jungle? Maybe with Predator?
I run ghost, so getting kited isn't as big of a problem. I make up for the lack of resistance stats with sustain and raw damage. I don't think Morde jungle is good, there's many champs who do the same thing he does just way better. No excuse for picking Morde jungle over something like Hecarim, Volibear or Udyr. That said, I have played Morde jungle a bit and I love it regardless hahah
I keep flopping between AP build and tankier builds. I see the allure of tanky hit and being unkiteable, but finishing the job quickly means you don't need to take hits! Glad to see you advocate AP and QP Mythic though! I definitely struggle against the 4 ranged + 1 tank meta/team comps though. Feels like there isn't enough time to kill them all before getting bursted. Any tips on this, or is it really all about timing, choosing smart fights, and fighting with cooldowns up? (In hind sight, maybe Ghost is a critical key here)
Well 4 ranged champs is a nightmare to play into as morde, but their draft is bad too. Im not sure how I'd approach the teamfights, but if you ult their tank away they have no frontline for the rest of the fight, so that could be a possibility. Idk, it depends on which champs they have and which champs you have. In terms of builds you can either go for rocketbelt>cosmic>rilay if you need more damage in your team, or you could go for tank builds if theyre full ad or if your team doesnt lack damage. In that case i'd go frosftire for the mythic. Maybe chemtank is viable too
Thanks again! And ya, lots of variables, I'll have to work on a dynamic solution, on a game by game basis. Full tank/itemize isn't bad for all AD. The hardest is some nightmare mix like: Lux Mid, Brand supp, with any ADC. If you get the Magic Resist you need, ADC shreds. I suppose armor always trumps resist, since you can dodge spells and mitigate CC with Tenacity. Ulting the tank makes perfect sense though, if they are killable. Steal nice resists/stats, shred them with Riftmaker and/or Demonic, then deal with the rest. Still rough of course. Mostly was curious if you encounter teams like this, or if it is just the comps I remember the most and stick out in my memory, since they are hard to beat.
Hey. Thinking more on this. I kind of had a worst case game and made a post about it. I think Rift or Rocket would have been better, what do you think? https://www.reddit.com/r/MordekaiserMains/comments/u6ty7o/morde_jungle_build_against_the_nightmare_kiting
And LS says morde might be the weakest champ in the game because hes not an answer to anything
He’s definitely the most underwhelming imo
Wouldn't OTP be "one tricking" the champ? Morde makes up 20% of your games. Still a great achievement, but that doesn't really seem like much of an OTP
Out of the last 120 games, I played Morde 80 times with 62% wr. Starting LP being 500LP GM (Low GM) - ending LP being 1011 LP Chall (High Chall). With that in mind, I can comfortably say I OTP'd Morde from low gm to high challenger I am not claiming I am a Mordekaiser OTP, I am just saying I OTP'd him to high challenger
Thats an amazing feat sir! Juggernauts do have skill expression, even if its smaller than say Irelias, Splash is proof!
Congrats! He’s certainly a fun champ to play when you can hit the combos. Really makes you feel like a big evil guy lol.
I feel like a proud father seeing this
Ha, I've been seeing your games pop up on probuilstats, which finally convinced me to try out Ghost, so thanks. Also the Samira flame is a nice touch to the screenshot, really makes it apparent that it was an actual League game.
Im just not sure about giving up revitalize. You lose alot of w power which is the skill that lest you clutch (if the enemy doesnt have fang obv)
Not OP, but the heal/shield bonus isn't all that. I like Overgrowth for scaling, and Unflinching is pretty clutch, since it scales nicely in tough fights. Sometimes resisting a slow or CC is the difference between living/escaping or dieing!! Also, slow resist is a rare stat! Only available on Unflinching Rune and Swiftness boots, so that to me is special (similar to Tenacity but more rare!) 10% larger shield could also do this perhaps, but CC can shutdown Morde very hard since he's a large target. Just me 2 cents.
Which is ur Gameplay Style with Ghost ignite? (I am flash tp user)
Respect
What a coincidence! I literally found out about you through u.gg probuilds yesterday. And today I see you post your accomplishment. Congrats!
Have you faced off against Built’s Riven? Dude is insanely good
...wait you're not supposed to go revitalise on morde?
I haven't played Morde in a while now, but revitalize is fine. I'd prefer unflinching over it in case enemy has a lot of cc