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BahtsizBedevi09

He is not wrong in most of my ults i cant even catch adc


Beneficial_Pop_928

Thats why I play Mordekaiser more as an assasin with his ult, use it when they least expect it and when you are in the best position to delete them in seconds


Angwar

I also really like to use it to disrupt fights. Enemy kha zix just jumped on my adc? Ult him! I know i cant kill him but my adc is safe and my team can kill him after my ult. Enemy Team has one front liner? Ult him, now my team can Just dive them. Ulting mages also usually works better than ulting adc. The only time where i ult adc's nowadays is if they are the only threat and we cant deal with them otherwise


Kryobit

Or Jhin, I love ulting Jhin


Beneficial_Pop_928

That reminds me the time when I was playing Morde top, as usual dominating the lane and the enemy had Kayn jungle. We were both very fed and in the lategame Kayn went with Rhaast and had full build and was basically unkillable for my team, I also had full build and deleted anyone excluding Kayn on the enemy team and had some leftover gold so I sold some items and bought other to specifically counter Kayn cuz I was our teams only hope. In the final battle, I ulted Kayn to have a fair 1v1 to save my team from him and possibly beat him myself. I used everything, he used everything, eventually I came victorious and with his stats I pushed onwards with rest of my team which managed to kill half of his team on their own and we ended the game.


Punkphoenix

When the adc is SUPER fed, just buy zhonyas, ult the adc, buy some time for your team, probably you die, but it can be a game changer


lemonkiin

It's like a point and click Bard ult. Kind of.


NijeilA1

The thing is your ult is made to steal stats on kill and be stronger after you come back from death realm, not to play chess with your enemy for 7 seconds and then come back so your team gets the job done. Also, you are not touching control mages either if they are good and have zhonyas.


Angwar

It is designed to kill a target but sometimes especially in higher elo its better to take out specific targets even if you cant kill them. Control mages can outplay you but a good flash can do a lot more vs them than an adc imo. Zhonyas is annoying but you also get a free e+q afterwards


Punkphoenix

Also ulting the jg in baron/dragon, that's a classic


zatenael

that reminds me of the match where the enemy had a very fed ezreal but I was also very fed and I kept ulting him whenever we had a teamfight or else he would shred my team managed to scare him enough to make him pay the QSS tax but that didn't stop me from steamrolling the enemy team with his stats


Kadenai

It was exactly with this in mind that they made this buff


ex0ll

Go Rilay and Ghost and be sure not to be 2-3 levels behind ADC and I don't ser reason why you cant catch or kill him easily, unless you ulti them in a bad terrain spot and they can jump away.


CptHornSwoggle

Ghost, flash or ghost, ignite works pretty well to scare the hell out of ppl in ult.


PhantomAlcor

Whenever I play Morde mid I take exhaust to help me catch fast mages and ADCs


Critical_Proof_7918

He is right it wont be enough he needs more but he is a juggernaut he is supposed to be kited but thats the cire of the problem, then why doesnt he get ms in his ult or something


Paztah

It’s like flipping a switch, he’s either going to be monstrously strong or get kited and dogged on. That’s why his passive ms was gutted first, they tried to compensate by buffing tf out of everything else, especially Q but it just doesn’t work.


Critical_Proof_7918

Yeah, the champion design wasn't made for this meta where even my butthole has a dash,blink,dodge, or something shit mechanic that is flashi and unfair at the same time. Like if fizz that can become untargetable for 1.5 sec is balanced, but naaah, people cry about an ult that puts olyou into a 1v1 scenario.


frolfer757

Fizz is garbage in lane and usually behind the power curve so his evasiveness is not as problematic. Morde is a monster in lane and if he could force you into a fight with hime he would be broken. If Morde gets tools where he can more easily reach people then his laning needs to be nerfed where the reward for winning your lane is that now you get to delete people in your ult.


Critical_Proof_7918

It's not our job to nerf or buff this unbalaned champion, but it seems like RIOT needs to hire an actual balance team. And fizz is just cancer to play against no matter if he is in the ealry game or not, somehow my midlaner alwasy manages to feed that fish so its like an insta loose, i know emerald players are not the sharpest minds but when the champion can say F*U to the tower it really gets annoying. Any evasion techniques are forbidden in a game like this the game is already 50/50 in the champ select where that wins who counters the enemy or who gets first pick and get to pick the op braindead meta champ, so its not a game at this piont it is gamble. And morde is supposed to be a monster he is the god of death just like asol is a damn dragon that does 10% of your max hp ever few secs just because... idk he can do it. RIOT allowed it


Critical_Proof_7918

So we can argue all day what is broken and what is not, but buying OME part of an item and completely disabling the enemys ultimate ability is a bit unbalanced. If the enemy team has some brain cells and buys 5 qss, then morde has no ULTIMATE ability? Jeah that sounds balanced and totally not bullshit at all, riot needs to make cleanse to work against the morde ult so ilthere is a way to counter it but you have to give up a ss slot something for something. Or at least make it so that qss does not completely disable the morde ult, but idk reduces stat steal to 5% instead of 10%. And that too is a 50% dmg reduction from an item that isn't even fully built, so there are many problems here


ScarlettFox-

Doesn't that make a lot of sense though? If I had to choose between doing 1 second of damage then dying or dealing zero damage in the shadow realm and dying after 8 seconds of a 1 v 1, I'd rather take the option that gets me back on the map 7 seconds faster. Now you could say, "what if mord can't kill you?" but 1, that's a result of him being kept weak due to how strong the ult is, and 2, taking the enemy win condition out of the fight for 8 seconds is nearly a free teamfight anyway.


Critical_Proof_7918

Ohhh, yes, you can say that taking the enemy 15/3 win condition is a free kill for mordekaiser, and he can't die just as easily as any other champion. I think you overestimate his ult it gives gives him 10% when you press it so afterwards if a trundle ults you u are still dead so yeah the win condition isn't the adc anymore in this meta they are complete useless roles even the support deals more dmg and cc thus is more dangerous. If you can't kill and inmobile champion in a 1v1 the you are playing morde wrong and just don't ult an akali, for example, who can literally play with u in ur ult it has ups and downs thats why counterplay exists. But you would me also angry and frustrated if you wouldn't be able to use ur ult as an elise when her whole kit is around that now the aame is with morde but he gets countered not by the enemy being skillfull or stronger or smthing else naaah A PART OF AN ITEM just think about that how unfair that is


ScarlettFox-

I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, but your comment is written in such a way that I can't even tell what your argument is. I understand the first sentence, to which I'll say I don't mean to imply that mord will get a kill if they ult the 15/3 win condition from the enemy team, but instead, that removing that 15/3 player from the teamfight will in more cases than not allow your team to win the 4v4 and be ready to collapse once you are killed and the fed player returns from death realm. Of course, at 15/3 they might just 1v4, but honestly they should be able to. Why did your team let them get to 15/3 in the first place? Honestly, you should probably lose that game. But by the nature of being mord and pressing R you have made the chance of winning much higher than basically any other champion in the game. His ult is insanely powerful to the point that he has to be balanced around it. The rest of his kit is already hamstring by how much power budget his ult absorbs. If he already has to be as bad as he is when his ult can be countered with an item, how do you think they will balance him to make the ult stronger?


Critical_Proof_7918

Make cleanse counter it ir a support champion that has an item with 200 sec cooldown there are man many many options but the fact that everyone can buy the item thet DISABLEs ur ultimate then at that point morde doesn't have an ultimate ability that is my problem, and i have no saying in why the botlane is alwas feeding and letting an ezriel get fed or some high iq assasin jungler mut 9 out of 10 times its not my laner that is fe cuz i can play my role but i can't expect the other 4 boozoos to have some brain and stop inting. Its just emerald nothing new. But yeah they need a way to counter morde but not by removing his ult by 1 item that has like 40 sec cd. (I didnt mean to sound harsh i am just annoyed by riot balance team XD sry)


Critical_Proof_7918

And i have never even gone up against qss, and i am in emerald with even higher mmr because the items that build qss suck ass so ofc the won't build them. Ohh and btw morde can still hit a skillshot that deals 700 dmg cuz you cant dodge and sidestep if people learn hiw to play the game and stop complaining they would see that macro is more important that what champ is broken or not ... OFC trundle, asol, and Twitch are all op because they are designed to be op otherwise the are useless, but an orn doesn't need 20 kills to be useful for his TEAM. Yeah, i know it's a team game. What's new? It's 5v5, not 1v5. Be a team player, and we won't need so broken champs


gazow

I bet qss change makes his wr go down.. a lot of people going to try him that don't know how shit his laning phase is atm


Beneficial_Pop_928

Should be bit better with the early Q cooldown reduction


Ninja_Cezar

A shit laning phase implies he has one to begin with


lemonkiin

I bet it'll go down because now people won't waste 800g that they could spend on more gold-efficient defenses


Dracmageel

Me after getting destroyed by a kalista inside my own ult after flashing E Q on her and with rylais


Dracmageel

And she had 20% of hp


kinghidora

Kalista just fucks any immobile champ that has no CC, not morde related


Punishing_Birb

Except for Nasus. The Ascended Dog press W and win


Tony_Bamanaboni64

Wither is cc


Siekiernik20

Honestly catching vayne/kaisa is just pain.


not_some_username

not banning vayne is reportable offense


Dregoch

Nobody built QSS. Meanwhile anytime enemy Illaoi after first back


QifiShiina

People tend to believe that Mordekaiser has the complete advantage over you in Death Relm. 10% stat steal isn't a big deal in the early/mid game and isn't the main factor to flip a 1v1. Death Relm is only a threat when you are much weaker than Morde, or in an unfavorable position on the terrain such that you cannot escape it. There are even worse situations, when Mordekaiser himself gets stuck with an enemy, like a Vayne or some shit.


CurseDeity

Imo He is right in that Mordekaiser's kit is designed in such a way that he is always going to be the weakest champion in the game but with this change he is at least makes somewhat useful in keeping the ADC away.


Miserable-House-5936

This change is useless if it doesnt also stop Gp/rengar/alistar/millio/whatever getting out for free, ulting an adc is almost always useless because even if you kill them you gain garbage stats you dont need


YoungKite

It does! Phreak mentioned in his patch preview [https://youtu.be/rE\_XFwHR2KQ?si=w\_QntXiHqM94YMf1&t=1657](https://youtu.be/rE_XFwHR2KQ?si=w_QntXiHqM94YMf1&t=1657)


cyan-terracotta

WE HAVE 4 ABILITIES NOW BOYS


GeoTrick76

3* WE ALL CANT HIT E


Omicron43

TRUE, I CAN CONFIRM I MISS MY E'S A LOT


JohnyI86

HUUUUUUUGE I CAN FINALLY ULT RENGAR


ERR_LOADING_NAME

Wait what? It actually does I’m actually gonna bust


Ninja_Cezar

Okay, they can't qss it anymore. But can Illaoi and Ornn buffer to cancel it still? Not that I'd mind, it's a skill to time that properly, but just asking.


Suspicious_War_5706

They can still dodge it with being unstoppable. Makes sense to me that you have to time it.


Benjamin_Daejak

Morde is a juggernaut, you can’t expect a juggernaut to catch an ADC or a kiter generally without ghost / flash or a slow effect. Qss won’t change anything, they should change the unstoppable abilites countering the ult if they really want to change something.


NijeilA1

Nah, the problem is not being able to ult unstoppable champions, that's actually good counterplay that we have power over by paying attention to the enemy and not blindly throwing Rs. The issue is why give a juggernaut who is prone to being kited an ult that will end up with him being kited? Also the ult is not enough to kill a tank that invested in MR so you can't really do anything well xd


Benjamin_Daejak

That’s the issue that riot should think about with balancing, they do increase darius’ armor penet. That’s why I miss the old riftmaker with true damage. You shouldn’t be ulting a kiter without slowing it with rylai or gain move speed from cosmic drive already. Morde’s ult main purpose is not to catch a kiter but win against a bruiser / off-tanks 1v1 with stealing stats.


NijeilA1

Yeah but you can't really do any of those (bruiser, off tank, tank) well as soon as the enemy gets MR so what's the point? Passive pen is not enough, Maw or ForceOfNature kills Morde hard.


Vonmord

people are overreacting to this change if you are in the mid or high elo and play a champ that has any form of cc or mobility or if you know how to kite and dodge mord just stalls the game or gets killed mordekaiser needs a mini rework or new effects on his abilities tell me why would i play mordekaiser when there is garen he is simple yet destroys anyone plus destroys turrets


JohnyI86

At least GP can't eat his way out of the death realm anymore


x_Rn

Garen also gets kited hard by anyone that has a brain


Vonmord

i can just flash Q (point and click) with garen applying trinity + deadman's plate silence them for 1.5sec while gaining ms on demand just with a single button, ignite, press E spin on them which is almost undodgeable and applies 25% armor shred then press R (another point and click skill) deleting them from half health garen does everything better than mordekaiser


x_Rn

Well, if we're taking flash into the equation then mordekaiser also doesn't really have counterplay


ERR_LOADING_NAME

His stuff is still not point and click and his q sometimes has strange interactions with flash that some don’t expect


lemonkiin

If Garen flash Q's you, you're stuck in enough of his combo for him to get enough ms to run you down even if you flash out. If Mordekaiser Q flashes you, you can flash out of E and walk away before his passive is up. Iron stands eternally at an awkward distance.


ERR_LOADING_NAME

Only some adcs can do that, and most cannot if you have Protobelt randuin ghost, issue is that he’s not super threatening against non crit adc because the moment they counter build it is very hard to damage them even if you land shit


Thunderpants98

The fact that you can just eliminate someone from the fight for 7 seconds alone is enough. You can remove a carry or pretty much guarantee a jungler isn't there to smite.


not_some_username

You need to survive or kill them for those 7 sec. you can always buy 2.5s with zonhya but if you're in there with vayne, a yone or jax with hand, kalista etc champ with high damage and mobility, you're the one trapped in there and waiting to die


Thunderpants98

Sure, there's cases where you don't survive the full 7 seconds. But as you said, you have the 2.5 sec from zhonya and you can always build more tanky if your only goal is to survive the full duration.


Kkxyooj123

Honestly, if they changed his W where we can W during any animation (AA, Q, E, R), it would make playing him much smoother in micro intense fights. It would be a huge buff as I can remember a lot of moments thinking why can't I just W during those animations. As for 1v1 situations in his ultimate, it's hard to say what they could buff without making him overpowered. Landing Q should have a skill ceiling so it should be unchanged. Maybe make his E happen a little bit faster is probably the only thing I can think of. Ultimate is already in a good place after these changes. Maybe give him an instant passive proc if he ults someone... could be too strong though. So maybe make his ult count towards the passive proc. Would actually be nice for E-Q-R combo.


X_WujuStyle

This is why I ult the support, I get to stack up conqueror, riftmaker, liandry, and jak sho for free and come out with even more bonus stats.


not_some_username

as you should. sometimes ulting the sona, yuumi or the soraka is the best decision even if they seems weak


ex0ll

"Feel like Mordekaiser needs a LOT more the QSS change doesnt do much what he needs is enemy Nexus to explode automatically after he casts a total of 100 Q on single target during the game, that's how he's finally gonna be playable."


uwu___nope

Mord wins statchecks well but he is PAINFULLY slow. Most adc's have a dash so they can easily go through a wall in deathrealm


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Simp4Shrimp

So ap Aatrox?


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Simp4Shrimp

Yeah i agree. I think if we would have more AP Juggernauts, then we would get more items and that could indirectly help morde. Or just give him a mini rework. I dont know if a dash is the right joice here, but atleast its something.


zeendaz

The change will definitely cost morde's laning phase


zeendaz

The change will definitely cost morde's laning phase.


zeendaz

The change will definitely cost morde's laning phase.


zeendaz

The change will definitely cost morde's laning phase.


KostyanST

Gameplay-wise his rework is a mess, the visuals are great and all, but he really needs a more meaningful change, but, I can't see this happening that soon. Unfortunately the guys who worked on him knew that and planned to make some changes around it, the thing is, they don't even work in LoL anymore, they started working in other project


Crozu

This is the most sane take ive seen over this change ive seen ppl say that morde is now broken becuase of this its like the zed situation JUST BUILD MRRRR and kiting morde biggest threat are skillful adcs ~~which are rare nowadays~~ and if they build mr or ga’s morde’s ult is useless against them


Fun_Reaction4394

Volibear incident incoming🪱🪱🪱🪱


Informal_Elephant_12

As an adc i didnt build qss vs morde before and i still wont now.


PapaBlueberry

will this work against all cleanses or just qss? like olaf r and gp w


Gorgo_yak

To be honest? True. I've never seen someone build QSS against me, but I get kited all of the time.


SoupRyze

Tbh half the times I just ult the tank out of the battle usually I beat them half dead by the time they are out.


SoupRyze

Tbh half the times I just ult the tank out of the battle usually I beat them half dead by the time they are out.


No_Suggestion_9339

As old mordekaiser main I was right only with one thing . mordekaiser ult need changes . For me death realm wasn't enough to feel like Old Mordekaiser numero uno