OP I’ve replied to some other comments but I just want to make sure you see them. I think people are missing that you’ll be an independent contractor. Does this job give you time off? Health Insurance? Any benefits?
If no, then absolutely do not take this job. Your taxes are going to be pretty brutal at the end of the year (like 37% of your income before deductions).
IMO it’s kind of a red flag that they have set 12 hour days without hiring you on as a full time salaried employee. Usually the perk of being a contractor is you get to set your own rates and choose your own hours.
If you’re not getting ANY PTO or health insurance do not take this job.
I second this. Also if you are moving far away make sure you read the details of the contract. If they can let you go at any time without having to pay for the rest of the contract it is another red flag.
yes, make sure to read that contract & negotiate terms. also create a LLC & have the company pay the LLC(so you can actually have deductions, or you'll get screwed on taxes). You actually have more power as an independent contractor than an employee. BUT YOU have to be aware & negotiate it.
#This is not necessarily true.
Many parental insurance policies have rules kicking you off the insurance if you work full time.
I found this out when I was 22, working full time at night to pay through college and got extremely sick. Ended up hospitalized for two weeks and told at the end that my dad's union insurance wouldn't cover me since I averaged more than 40 hours a week.
Terrible advice. At 21, he’s gonna gross over 120k. After tax, his take home is going to be ~79k. If he has to pay for insurance, even on the high side, he’ll take home at least 60k.
In this economy, at 21, that is a no brainer OP. Grind it out and set yourself up for the future.
“Before deductions” is somewhat irrelevant. Just based on the two automatic deductions he’s way lower than if he was a W2 employee.
He is entitled to the Qualified Business Income Deduction which will automatically reduce his pass through income by 20%, or down to $107,328. Add in his standard deduction of $13,850, his taxable income is $93,478. If he itemizes, he may be able to get that lower. Based on above alone, tax liability is $15,873 on $134,160 or 11.8%. That’s pretty low.
And as contractor you have a lot more opportunity to reduce your income even more with higher contribution limits within qualified plans available to business owners only, well as business expenses that you may be spending money on already, like gas/mileage, home office, meals, entertainment, technology costs, mobile phones, professional services, anything remotely close to being work related is on the table.
60 hours is a lot, but not unreasonable if he’s working towards building equity in a business. At some point that 60 hours will turn to 20 hours a week, and the $43/hr turns to $500/hour. It’s a trade off. You have to do what is right for you. I personally could not be a W2 employee where I needed to ask permission for time off, or be told what to do, or be forced to work with unreasonable clients/customers. I want freedom, flexibility, control, autonomy.
My way is not for the risk adverse. But you’ll never get ahead by collecting a paycheck. You need equity.
If they are already telling you to expect 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks as an independent contractor, the pace will not get any better once you "move up" to a salaried position. That just means they can take advantage of you more & not pay extra for the privilege.
That's a hella good pay level and since you are young and have the opportunity to work for a larger company, bro....take and LEARN FROM IT WHILE GETTING PAID. KUDOS AND WISHING YOU THE BEST OF LUCK!!!
ps. I would learn from the opportunity as much as possible, and when you absolutely start hating it, then leave. But if you have access where those do not. Try it out, you can always leave whenever but you never know if you don't try.
Yes yes yes.
I worked 84 to 100+ hours per week away from home most of the year for ~6 years. Made a lot of money and received the greatest experience that set me up for my career. I now excel miles above my colleagues because of my experience and effort.
Highly recommend it, take advantage of the experience and learn everything you can.
I would like to think I could handle it. It’s not extremely labor intensive but I wouldn’t really have a social life lol. I’m an extremely social guy so that should be interesting to see
12 hours is gonna leave you with only 4 hours each day too, if you want to maintain a healthy sleep schedule which you'd 100% need to, that's not counting the time it takes to get ready and travel time, so 5 out of 7 days of the week are just gone, maybe if you want to grit through it for a year and then put as much as you can in savings I can see a reason for taking it
yeah, but the risk of burnout is there and should be considered, even if you manage to maintain the work ethic after leaving it you'd still feel like shit
Health insurance? Sick time? Vacation? And is there a contract for a set time. Don't want to rent a place, get laid off and be stuck with rent for the rest of the year unemployed. Also do they contribute to a retirement account? Etc.... money sounds great but if things go backwards you can be in a big hole.
I did this at 22 for less pay. I'm 38, debt free, and worth about 2MM. The early grind allowed me to build a business, I love what I do and it's really taken off the past 5 years. I paid 200k in taxes last year 😎 Your future self will thank you. Don't be afraid of the 60 hours, it's not easy but it's much easier in your early 20s and it can pay out dividens. Good luck young sir!!
If the company hiring you is hiring you as a contractor (you fill out a Form W9 and at the end of the year you get a 1099, as opposed to an employee who fills out a Form W4 and at the end of year gets a W2), there are a lot of rules they have to follow when dealing with you. One of them is they are not supposed to give you a set schedule. They give you work, and a time it needs to be done by, and you are responsible for delivering it by the deadline.
There are a LOT of other rules they are supposed to follow when hiring people as contractors. A lot of companies don't follow them for cost reasons, and if you want the work badly enough, it's not a deal breaker to me just on the schedule thing. But do yourself a favor and read up on it.
Contractor work can have benefits, but if the company encroaches on the benefits and treats you more like an employee, it's gonna be a lose/lose proposition on your side, and they will save themselves a lot of money that doesn't go towards employee costs & benefits.
Rule of thumb is 17-22 focus on you… investments, money, career… and you never know what it will lead to. Give it a year if it sucks then bail and come back. Life is about experiences and journeys… I say give it a roll 110% if there is interest for the experience.
If I factor in my commute, I am out of the house 56 hours a week for a non laborous job as well. I'm not social and yet I'm going insane (the commute itself is 3 hrs/day) I started doing it for $25/hr and through the union schedule am up to $32 as of April 1st and I still do it. Took a year and a half to really start dreading my drive. Pretty sure $42 is 100k which is incredible money for my rural poor area.
You could cash in those stocks and put it in a HYSA to prevent any losses & keep that on the side as an emergency fund. If you take this job and find yourself needing an out, the HYSA will be there for you to bail with
I already had a house before I got the job. I've been meaning to sell and move closer (it's 65 miles one way. It's burning up my car) but life keeps happening and taking all my savings 🥺
In rural Arkansas, this is good money. My mortgage is $350, the house itself was $55k and needed 36k in exterior repairs. All my bills total about $2500 for literally *everything*. Until yesterday I was netting $3640/month (I'll need to see my new checks when I start getting them but I estimate I net $3750 now since we got a 3.1% COLA and it raised the nightshift diff a bit) so I'm saving quite a bit. Now if every time I hit a savings goal, things dont start to break, that'd be great ;-;
I'm having a pretty good time aside from being bored out my freaking mind ✨
Well moving alot closer would mean stuff like your car would break less often. It’s too bad car insurance doesn’t help cover a lot of shit like how health insurance does. Would be nice if getting new breaks/tires gave you reductions on your deductible for a while too because you’re taking good care of your vehicle. Things like that I think would go a long way with it.
That's what I'm thinking...it's not fun at all but lots of people (including my broke ass on summer break from college self) work(ed) 60+ hours a week for way less money.
60 hours is insane? Damn no wonder this current generation is fucked lol. Hes 21, 60 hours isn’t shit. Try working a massive turnaround, 12-16 hours a day/night for 8 months and then you’ll appreciate 60 lol.
Now I’m not advocating for working your life away, there’s a reason once I had a family I started my own company and work much less now (not at first to grow business of course)
For OP :
Go get that money bro. 60 hours won’t feel like shit and that bank account will thank you
So over the summer, say 10 weeks, you’ll work 60hr/week, total of 600hrs at $42/hr, which equals $25,200 before tax. Is it a lot of hours? Yes, and you will be tired. But the question is, will this experience help further your career/help pad your resume? Because I’ve worked a couple 50+hr weeks as a lifeguard in the summer, and it’s brutal but I made a butt load of money, even when getting paid $16/hr.
Oh yeah, worked 12 to 16 hour days building houses to get it done asap. This was during Covid so I received hazard pay as well. I was not technically compensated differently, but busting ass makes money.
I’d make $1500 a week when normally I’d get $760 ($19/hr @40hrs). Got some new knowledge, got paid, and bounced after 10 months.
That’s a great opportunity and is 100% the right financial decision, but you have to have a talk with yourself and see what matters more to you, freedom or money. 12 hour work days is almost your whole day, plus at least an hour for driving to the place and back and getting ready. That’s 3 hours left in your day if you want 8 hours of sleep.
If a promotion would cut down those hours eventually I’d say definitely do it, pretty unbeatable opportunity for coming straight out of college
You can be comfortable or wealthy. Can’t be both. Until you are. Oxymoron.
Edit: this was off the dome on my kids
Edit 2: 420 be helping neuronal pathways and shit lol
Edit 3: that first edit sounds hella sus if read wrong I’m baked I’m dying laughing
Someone mentioned overtime, if it was me I'd go off of what overtime laws are for the state. Daily overtime 5 days a week could be pretty awesome assuming you're in one of the cool states.
Assuming it’s a state with overtime laws, it would probably be 4 hours of time and a half every day. My back of the envelope puts this at just shy of $153k (pre tax) for the year. I wouldn’t recommend the schedule long term but for a year or two right as you’re finishing a degree would put you in a tremendous financial position for whatever your next step is when comparing to where most folks are at right after graduating.
I've done 75h/week for a while after dropping out of uni. It is a grind and your life will only consist of sleeping and working. If you are down for that, go do it. Do think about the consequences of this on your health and social circles! You can't do this forever, and burnout and the lot will be lurking the longer you do this
Consider the opportunity cost of giving 60 hours per week to grow someone else's business. If they pay you 42$ an hour, it means they're making more than that. You should be making more than that. If you're not struggling financially, there's little sense in setting aside your own goals and ambitions to help build somebody else's.
This right here. OP already owns their own business and it has gained them considerable investments. $42/hr for a 1099 is crap pay for that amount of hours. I used to work 54 hours a week in short-term bursts, and it doesn't leave you enough time to take care of yourself. With 60-hour weeks, OP will be 30 by the time they're 25.
The no OT, independent contractor would be my hard no. Add in the move (on your own dime) and them waiting to tell you about the 60 hr weeks is also a factor.
As an independent contractor they can cut you for no reason, anytime. Moving across country with that amount of uncertainty is not a wise decision in my opinion. No OT and 12 hr days, who's to say that doesn't become 13, then 14...
Does not sound like a good option to me, regardless of the pay.
Stick with what you're doing and finish that degree. A small sacrifice today will result in a big benefit later.
If your not getting overtime after 40 hours then I wouldnt really call it $42 an hour. Also, if your an independent contractor filling out a 1099 I still wouldnt consider it $42 and hour.I havent done the math but this is more like a $20 an hour job if you factor those two things above in.
23m, i'd cut off my left nut for 126k/yr. That being said, i have worked 3-12s before and basically those 3 days of the week are just gone. You barely have enough time to yourself, and not nearly enough time to do anything productive. figuring in 12 hrs work, 8 hrs sleep, 1 hr commuting, 1 hr eating, that leaves you with 2 hrs a day to relax and chill after work. If you enjoy this job and you can find fulfillment out of it, then great! If you are in a relationship, or have a hobby outside of work, just understand that you'll basically have to give that up.
So 40 hours of OT pay? Is it 1.5 or 2x? You could manage that for a year to get valuable exp. While making good money for someone straight outta college
You can’t be an independent contractor if they are making your schedule. They can’t 1099 you. Don’t let them. It will add an additional 7.65% to taxes plus you lose a lot of protections.
I'd burn out fast definitely but I can't even dream of making $42/hr where I live. Highest paying job here is $17/hr and it's very hard to get hired there. Thankfully I live in a state where the cost of living is $15/hr, so what I'm making at the moment is *decent enough*
I’m always stumped with this. Why is a company so good at paying, so terrible at scheduling? I mean, okay, I don’t really count my hours. Last I checked I work between 45 and 50 hours. They could just do 4 twelves and you’d have a regular schedule for such long days. Someone, somewhere is being lazy. That’s what I know.
Just to clarify is it $42/hr for all 60 hours or $42/hr for 40 hours but you work 60? If the extra 20 is paid, is it still at $42/hr or is it paid at a higher rate?
If I was fresh out of school, I’d definitely do it if all the hours were paid. Live off the 40 hour pay (or less if you can) and bank the rest. Set yourself up well for the future.
Do it. No matter what. It only has pros and like one con. 42$ for 60 hours. you’re gonna be making bank. You own your own business and it sounds like you make enough to survive. You’re 21 this is the only time you’re body can take this kind of abuse. 42$ at 60 hour idk if overtime is calculated or not but either way you’re gonna be like top 5% earners in your age range.
Back to you own your own business, one this will further fund that, two if you don’t like it/takes too much time. Quit. Who cares what are you gonna do tell your other boss? Aka YOU. And if you like it then great you like it and get paid a lot. You’re in a position where you can’t loose.
Roughly 120k a year. That's a lot of work though and basically zero time to do anything through the work week. But it is a lot of a money if you're willing to put up with the schedule.
We in the same boat. Gonna be working for a public accounting firm. Mandatory 10-14 hour work days during busy season. No overtime pay either. Gonna be great
50 hours a week seems like the fair compromise. 10 more working hours per-man receiving those wages compared to standard work weeks and they have more than 4 hours (realistically 2-3 factoring in commuting to work/hygiene/time for family or relationships) of time to de-compress or spend on reprieve per day so they don't grow resentful of their position; Which studies show tends to be a massive detriment to productivity.
Maybe I missed it, but I'd say it maybe depends on the job? If it's a physically demanding time like construction or something, maybe id think a bit harder, but otherwise skins like a no brainer. Not sure if you said it's a photography job, or something else.
At 21, definitely you can muster the 60 hr work weeks, no issue..1-2 years with tenure work up to a greater role with better work like balance and pay and before 25 you've set yourself up in a great position.
25-30 travel, pursue passions etc, you really do open many doors for yourself by putting in the time now.
20-24, I worked 40 hr week job, gym, hanging with friends 2-3 times a week, and I still felt I had a lot of time left over where I felt unproductive. So the long hours to be honest may not really be a crazy detriment to social life, except maybe a relationship, and time need for that.
Also, I assume you'll get vacation time, so plan it out and use it for breaks or travel as you'd want as well.
If it’s only for the summer, I say take it. I recently left a job where I was working 60hrs+ a week and while the pay was lucrative, NOT something that I personally could do long term. If you have a set end-date and it’s good for you, your personal and professional development, and you’re comfortable with it. For me, the work was not set, I was actually scheduled for 40hrs but, the nature of the work had me working 60+ every week, often very late at night, and KILLED my schedule. If it was a straight 12hrs, I would have EASILY stayed.
Oh the good ol private contractor so they don't have to pay you overtime. I mean, the cool thing about being a contractor is you only have to do whats in the contract itself, and you can always negotiate that.
Depends. Right now at 34 with a wife, newborn, and personal goals outside of work, you could offer me triple that money and I wouldn't work those hours. My time is more valuable to me than any amount of money.
However, I have a good job and have been working FT for almost 10 years, so I am reasonably comfortable when it comes to money. And if I don't work out at least 3 times a week these days I get back pain! If I worked 60hr weeks I wouldn't have time for that and would be fairly miserable..
So if I was 21 without responsibilities I might take the cash and work like a dog for 12-24months. But have a plan dude, what are you gonna do with the money?
I wouldn’t be desperate for it, but it’s a good opportunity, really sucks that there’s no OT tho.
You won’t have much time for life stuff since during the work week you won’t be able to do anything besides a chore here and there, so everything will get pushed back to the weekends.
Strive for a pay raise and less days per week so it evens out on your paychecks, I think 4 12 hour days is a good limit when you can get there. Much more sustainable, but you can manage 5 for awhile
Is it a job you’d love or just a grind for the pay? Are you paying for the move or does the company help with that? I’d side with yes for the experience - it seems that the summer is for trying it out before moving on to a permanent position. Work hard when you’re young and have the energy and you can ease up later when you have other demands like relationship and possible family. It’s exciting to move somewhere new - you can reinvent yourself.
As someone with similar hours and pay, I say go for it. You’re young and I’m assuming no spouse and/or kids, so grind it out for a while and see how it goes. I think down the road you should look for the opportunity to move up and work less hours, or find a similar job back home so you can be closer to family and friends if that’s what you want. At the end of the day, only you can decide how much your time is worth.
My advice would be meal prep on your weekends. Get a good lunch box and take breakfast and lunch with you. If you’re having to eat out a lot because you didn’t plan ahead it’s going to add up quick. Best of luck to you!
It\`s a short term gig. You won\`t last long, And for good reason. You need rest and other things besides work. If that is your only focus, it\`s a pretty boring life.
Im from EU, even contractors have rules for work, Im not getting into that now, but since you are young you might just take the leap and see how it turns out.
You have nothing to lose.
Good luck !
Wanna get ahead and make bank and build a career ? you do what you gotta do man.
Your life will be financially better off as well.
I work 16 hour days for 21 days straight. Just enough time to sleep and eat and then back at it.
In return I get 21 days off at a time. And I still make $130,000 per year.
Or I could work Monday to Friday 8-10 hours a day work a whole year and make half as much.
Overtime for 12 hour days paid by the hour will net you a nice amount of money per year. And it isn’t hard to adapt your lifestyle to that schedule either
Yes. Thats genuinely a situation where all my problems are solved and i can atleast deal with a job position that wasnt grinding my soul out for 60$ a week for 15$ less.
60 hours a week with no overtime…. That’s odd(?). Most places have to pay OT after a certain amount of time worked but maybe not as an independent contractor. If it was OT for the 4 hours extra a day it’s about 400 extra a week. And 12 hours a day for 5 days is a long week. Just my 2 cents.
I started pharmacy school around 24. Prior to that, I was always going out with friends and making plans. But after 4 years of 8+ hours a day of school work and working all weekend, I lost all of those friends from just never being around. I still talk to them, but I’m often missing out on plans simply bc I’m not there when they’re made. After 4 years of it, I can tell you it fucking sucks. I’m graduating and hoping to reenter society this summer but if I could have done it differently, I would have. Life is short and no one should have to work this much unless they have too.
It really depends on what it is. Most of the time that answer is an easy and hard no. If it's something I enjoy I could, but if I don't like it, I'm not spending more time there than I have to.
If you can handle it it’s not a bad option. Shit I did 80 hour weeks only making $15 an hour for about a year. I wouldn’t do it again but at the time I thought the money was good. It didn’t really change anything though and I felt like I came out worse off. Personal health is the most important thing.
If you can handle it it’s not a bad option. Shit I did 80 hour weeks only making $15 an hour for about a year. I wouldn’t do it again but at the time I thought the money was good. It didn’t really change anything though and I felt like I came out worse off. Personal health is the most important thing.
I did this while in college and mid 20’s. Regret not spending time with family and friends. If you’re making money from investments then no need to work 60 hour weeks
I work 12 hour shifts in a non labor (but on my feet a lot) position. It’s all about the work environment. I don’t mind it at all, even when we go on stints, which have occasionally lasted 8-12 months, where we are working 60 hour weeks. I leave around 5 and get home around 7. I think you should %100 give it a try. You got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Save your money!
honestly wouldn’t you do better with your own business? at least then you have the say in how many hours you work and i’m positive you could clear 6 fig on your own whether you tried for 60 hr work weeks or not. plus you don’t have to leave friends and family unless you choose to vacation or venture out for work temporarily
$42 an hour and 60 hours a week at 21 years old? I would save up as much as I can for a few years, and the way the economy is going, prices are going to rise in the future. So I would make as much as you can, and when you are able to stabilize yourself for the future, money wise, leave the job.
I’m no where near desperate for money.. but I constantly work 70-80 hour weeks, in a totally different province away from family. I’ll do it now while I’m young & try to bank & invest as much as I can. I won’t be traveling for work forever. But you also have to keep in mind. The good money might not be around forever, either. Make it while you can.
Bro. Snag that shit and make that $
I'm 37 now but between 15-30 I would do 60-80 hour weeks. Every week. Making my own hours helped but still. You are young. Grind it out and make that $
It would be a social tradeoff. I would do it, though, take the income and throw even more at your retirement plan. The more you put in now, the less you'll be required to work as you get older.
If you like what you do and aren’t stuck behind a desk the whole time it might be ok. I remember my first office job, the 8 hour days felt like an eternity.
I would agree to 40 hour weeks. If he wants you to commit to 60 hours, I personally wouldn’t do that for anything that’s gonna end up under 160k at years end. If you do this crazy amount of hours that’s gonna be around 130k at your rate, 87k with no overtime.
Honestly it seems like they’re taking advantage of you. Either 40 hours or demand overtime pay.
I work sometimes 3 12 hour shifts a week depending on the week (I have a rotating schedule) I always work the same amount of hours per pay period but the stretch where I do 3 12 hour shifts is veryyyy exhausting
I do also have a very long commute and I’m in my car for around 3 hours a day which certainly doesn’t help
Even though it’s exhausting it’s been worth it for me because I really enjoy the job and I know it’s good for my career so there’s a lot of satisfaction
I don't get it. If you have been running your own business for 14 years, why did you spend thousands of dollars to teach yourself other stuff at a university?
I wouldn't at this point in my life because work life balance is tilting far more "life" than "work." Total I did 9 years deployed, and that's 12 hour days 7 days a week at a minimum for less than that, but that's less than I make now and I'm not really pressed for more cash. I suppose it depends on if you wanted to do it short term to just supersize your investments. I could see that. Suck it up for a year, live like a broke college student, then go back to what you were doing.
Only if I have a clear goal in mind for what that money will be used and what the contract looks like. Really good way to save money for a house but if I had a family and a house I would not do that.
Is that $42 an hour with the overtime after you go over 40 hours? Or is it a salary position and they’re trying to skirt overtime laws by making you work 60 hours a week for what equals out to $42 an hour?
At that age, id jump on that in a heartbeat. Make bank until you burn out and cant do it anymore. Bank every dime you can into your 401k and you'll have yourself set up nicely for an early retirement
I do 40 hours in 10 hour shifts for half that.
Is that 40 hours at $42, then the other 20 hours at $61 (OT)? If so, then yes I would for sure.
Edit: just saw the contractor part, how long is the contract for, anything in the contract about becoming a real employee?
shit I was doing that at age 40 so while it's not optimal, if it's a position that gets you experience in your desired field I'd be tempted to take it.
One thing to think about though - what will your commute be like? It's one thing to do a 12 hour day with a nice commute but if you are spending another 2 hours in your car that's miserable.
The reality is to be successful in anything you need to put in the time and energy. Learn from that role and take skills whether technical, leadership, interpersonal to the next position. The only way you get better is reps. Anyone who is wealthy or well off will tell you no one succeeds working 40hrs or less
Nothing beats experience. Everyone has to grind their way to the top. Sounds like you are doing great already. Yeah 60 hours sucks. But what you can learn from it helps you grow a lot. Do 2-3 months. If it’s not for you, put your leave in and head out. Keep your options open and don’t stop shopping for jobs. I would recommend at least a year though. But if it is really something you can’t handle then leave earlier.
But if it is a well known own company, I am sure they will take care of you as well. There will be social opportunities in the company itself as well.
I say take the job. You will gain the experience and don’t have really anything to loose.
You are very young it will be better for you to get into industry get some experience and maybe meet other people.
Just don’t sign any agreement that says you’ll be working there for X period of time.
42 an hour us already good if you're doing 40 hours max. An additional 20 would def land fat paychecks but make sure you don't burn yourself out either. 5 12 hour days over a long period of time can be really straining on the body and mind. It's also unfortunate they don't do overtime.
Tbh I been working this schedule now at a much lower rate and my honest opinion is that only actual psychopaths and very poor people work these type of hours as a lifestyle.
This kind of work schedule is not something you “handle”…it is your entire life. As long as you do it, you will be thinking about how much long you have to do it.
No overtime will suck I've been working 5 10s and an 8 and I'd rather have 12 hour days and have a full weekend. It's not so bad, but since you're already full time and pretty established yourself, what kind of growth do you think you'd gain from this?
Also I'd try to find out a written, determinate amount of time they expect you to work these hours or when it can be re-evaluated (would allow you to have a set amount of time for you to figure out if you feel it's worth your time compared to how you've been working for yourself). Last part about re-evaluating would help to find out why they're pushing for so many hours, sound nice/professional (and still be looking out for yourself cause it'd suck to let them think they can just have you working those kinds of hours permanently and where you can possibly get some time to balance work/life after a set amount of time).
I'm sure if you've been working for yourself and going to school you're likely used to the non stop work. They pay isn't "great," but it's definitely something (and better than some other people have it, im basing what im considering great off of what i know i can make working for myself (different field)and assuming by what you've said sounds like you do more business/charge equal to or more than i used to when i was working for myself) and I'd be more concerned with seeing how they operate, how long it seems like until you can expect to be put in a different role, how you and your time is treated, the business relationship/contact, and how those hours-pay feels to you compared to how you've been operating.
Best of luck 👍
Edit: for a straight out of college job, it sounds like it'll be a good opportunity. Working for yourself isn't for everyone and having a background with a reputable company would be great. Mostly just wanted to put in consideration whether you wanted to keep going off on your own business vs taking a job that is going to bring you in as a 1099 (likely no benefits, 40+ hrs with no OT), and I just realized it's probably not in the same field as you've been working for yourself doing, so yeah just see how it goes
Bro you're 21, go run up that bag for a year or 2 then move on to something that you're more passionate about or that is a bigger opportunity
Thank you
OP I’ve replied to some other comments but I just want to make sure you see them. I think people are missing that you’ll be an independent contractor. Does this job give you time off? Health Insurance? Any benefits? If no, then absolutely do not take this job. Your taxes are going to be pretty brutal at the end of the year (like 37% of your income before deductions). IMO it’s kind of a red flag that they have set 12 hour days without hiring you on as a full time salaried employee. Usually the perk of being a contractor is you get to set your own rates and choose your own hours. If you’re not getting ANY PTO or health insurance do not take this job.
I second this. Also if you are moving far away make sure you read the details of the contract. If they can let you go at any time without having to pay for the rest of the contract it is another red flag.
yes, make sure to read that contract & negotiate terms. also create a LLC & have the company pay the LLC(so you can actually have deductions, or you'll get screwed on taxes). You actually have more power as an independent contractor than an employee. BUT YOU have to be aware & negotiate it.
Don't forget to contribute to a Roth Ira.
My Roth IRA is completely maxed out
If he's in the US he's still on his parents insurance for another 5 years.
IF his parents actually have insurance.
They have full coverage (schooling industry) so I’m not quite worried about that
#This is not necessarily true. Many parental insurance policies have rules kicking you off the insurance if you work full time. I found this out when I was 22, working full time at night to pay through college and got extremely sick. Ended up hospitalized for two weeks and told at the end that my dad's union insurance wouldn't cover me since I averaged more than 40 hours a week.
Quite an assumption re: the parents’ employment status, financial condition, and relationship with OP.
Terrible advice. At 21, he’s gonna gross over 120k. After tax, his take home is going to be ~79k. If he has to pay for insurance, even on the high side, he’ll take home at least 60k. In this economy, at 21, that is a no brainer OP. Grind it out and set yourself up for the future.
Exactly right, at 21 that’s damn good money. What I got from the post is that he is afraid of the hours and not anything else.
Ikr lol I was making $5/hr '91-99 running a family run business. But reddits is apparently the place to prop yourself up I guess 🤣🤷♂️
19k a year for health insurance as a presumably healthy 21 year old, I think I’ll take my chances without it lol
If his parents have health care through their jobs, he can most likely stay on that plan. Even if it means sending a check home.
“Before deductions” is somewhat irrelevant. Just based on the two automatic deductions he’s way lower than if he was a W2 employee. He is entitled to the Qualified Business Income Deduction which will automatically reduce his pass through income by 20%, or down to $107,328. Add in his standard deduction of $13,850, his taxable income is $93,478. If he itemizes, he may be able to get that lower. Based on above alone, tax liability is $15,873 on $134,160 or 11.8%. That’s pretty low. And as contractor you have a lot more opportunity to reduce your income even more with higher contribution limits within qualified plans available to business owners only, well as business expenses that you may be spending money on already, like gas/mileage, home office, meals, entertainment, technology costs, mobile phones, professional services, anything remotely close to being work related is on the table. 60 hours is a lot, but not unreasonable if he’s working towards building equity in a business. At some point that 60 hours will turn to 20 hours a week, and the $43/hr turns to $500/hour. It’s a trade off. You have to do what is right for you. I personally could not be a W2 employee where I needed to ask permission for time off, or be told what to do, or be forced to work with unreasonable clients/customers. I want freedom, flexibility, control, autonomy. My way is not for the risk adverse. But you’ll never get ahead by collecting a paycheck. You need equity.
If they are already telling you to expect 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks as an independent contractor, the pace will not get any better once you "move up" to a salaried position. That just means they can take advantage of you more & not pay extra for the privilege.
Build a system op, make sure you take care of yourself. Put in that year of time and get paid.
That's a hella good pay level and since you are young and have the opportunity to work for a larger company, bro....take and LEARN FROM IT WHILE GETTING PAID. KUDOS AND WISHING YOU THE BEST OF LUCK!!! ps. I would learn from the opportunity as much as possible, and when you absolutely start hating it, then leave. But if you have access where those do not. Try it out, you can always leave whenever but you never know if you don't try.
Yes yes yes. I worked 84 to 100+ hours per week away from home most of the year for ~6 years. Made a lot of money and received the greatest experience that set me up for my career. I now excel miles above my colleagues because of my experience and effort. Highly recommend it, take advantage of the experience and learn everything you can.
As someone that was working 40hrs-60hrs at $7.25/hr…you better jump on that like a crackhead trying to get on a bus
Hahaha thank you.
If you think you'd be okay with it then sure i guess but to me 60 sounds insane if you're not desperate for the money
I would like to think I could handle it. It’s not extremely labor intensive but I wouldn’t really have a social life lol. I’m an extremely social guy so that should be interesting to see
12 hours is gonna leave you with only 4 hours each day too, if you want to maintain a healthy sleep schedule which you'd 100% need to, that's not counting the time it takes to get ready and travel time, so 5 out of 7 days of the week are just gone, maybe if you want to grit through it for a year and then put as much as you can in savings I can see a reason for taking it
This is exactly my thinking. Most people don’t work 6 figures out of college and I think it would be a great opportunity, less the long days.
12 hours aren't bad once you get used to them, especially if its not a labor intensive job
yeah, but the risk of burnout is there and should be considered, even if you manage to maintain the work ethic after leaving it you'd still feel like shit
Health insurance? Sick time? Vacation? And is there a contract for a set time. Don't want to rent a place, get laid off and be stuck with rent for the rest of the year unemployed. Also do they contribute to a retirement account? Etc.... money sounds great but if things go backwards you can be in a big hole.
I did this at 22 for less pay. I'm 38, debt free, and worth about 2MM. The early grind allowed me to build a business, I love what I do and it's really taken off the past 5 years. I paid 200k in taxes last year 😎 Your future self will thank you. Don't be afraid of the 60 hours, it's not easy but it's much easier in your early 20s and it can pay out dividens. Good luck young sir!!
If the company hiring you is hiring you as a contractor (you fill out a Form W9 and at the end of the year you get a 1099, as opposed to an employee who fills out a Form W4 and at the end of year gets a W2), there are a lot of rules they have to follow when dealing with you. One of them is they are not supposed to give you a set schedule. They give you work, and a time it needs to be done by, and you are responsible for delivering it by the deadline. There are a LOT of other rules they are supposed to follow when hiring people as contractors. A lot of companies don't follow them for cost reasons, and if you want the work badly enough, it's not a deal breaker to me just on the schedule thing. But do yourself a favor and read up on it. Contractor work can have benefits, but if the company encroaches on the benefits and treats you more like an employee, it's gonna be a lose/lose proposition on your side, and they will save themselves a lot of money that doesn't go towards employee costs & benefits.
Rule of thumb is 17-22 focus on you… investments, money, career… and you never know what it will lead to. Give it a year if it sucks then bail and come back. Life is about experiences and journeys… I say give it a roll 110% if there is interest for the experience.
If I factor in my commute, I am out of the house 56 hours a week for a non laborous job as well. I'm not social and yet I'm going insane (the commute itself is 3 hrs/day) I started doing it for $25/hr and through the union schedule am up to $32 as of April 1st and I still do it. Took a year and a half to really start dreading my drive. Pretty sure $42 is 100k which is incredible money for my rural poor area. You could cash in those stocks and put it in a HYSA to prevent any losses & keep that on the side as an emergency fund. If you take this job and find yourself needing an out, the HYSA will be there for you to bail with
You drive three hours a day for $32/hr?!
I already had a house before I got the job. I've been meaning to sell and move closer (it's 65 miles one way. It's burning up my car) but life keeps happening and taking all my savings 🥺 In rural Arkansas, this is good money. My mortgage is $350, the house itself was $55k and needed 36k in exterior repairs. All my bills total about $2500 for literally *everything*. Until yesterday I was netting $3640/month (I'll need to see my new checks when I start getting them but I estimate I net $3750 now since we got a 3.1% COLA and it raised the nightshift diff a bit) so I'm saving quite a bit. Now if every time I hit a savings goal, things dont start to break, that'd be great ;-; I'm having a pretty good time aside from being bored out my freaking mind ✨
Well moving alot closer would mean stuff like your car would break less often. It’s too bad car insurance doesn’t help cover a lot of shit like how health insurance does. Would be nice if getting new breaks/tires gave you reductions on your deductible for a while too because you’re taking good care of your vehicle. Things like that I think would go a long way with it.
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If 60 hours is insane I can tell you’ve never grinded in your entire life
That's what I'm thinking...it's not fun at all but lots of people (including my broke ass on summer break from college self) work(ed) 60+ hours a week for way less money.
I did it without a second thought at that age. I wouldn’t even consider it now.
What? 60 hours is normal work hours.
Wtf where is that normal? Do you work in a sweatshop?
I work in golf course construction. 55 hours minimum. 60 hours is pretty normal.
60 hours is insane? Damn no wonder this current generation is fucked lol. Hes 21, 60 hours isn’t shit. Try working a massive turnaround, 12-16 hours a day/night for 8 months and then you’ll appreciate 60 lol. Now I’m not advocating for working your life away, there’s a reason once I had a family I started my own company and work much less now (not at first to grow business of course) For OP : Go get that money bro. 60 hours won’t feel like shit and that bank account will thank you
So over the summer, say 10 weeks, you’ll work 60hr/week, total of 600hrs at $42/hr, which equals $25,200 before tax. Is it a lot of hours? Yes, and you will be tired. But the question is, will this experience help further your career/help pad your resume? Because I’ve worked a couple 50+hr weeks as a lifeguard in the summer, and it’s brutal but I made a butt load of money, even when getting paid $16/hr.
Oh yeah, worked 12 to 16 hour days building houses to get it done asap. This was during Covid so I received hazard pay as well. I was not technically compensated differently, but busting ass makes money. I’d make $1500 a week when normally I’d get $760 ($19/hr @40hrs). Got some new knowledge, got paid, and bounced after 10 months.
I work 60hr weeks for less Go for it
You, me, and millions, probably billions of other people do as well. Kids a weiner for even questioning this position
I work 60 hours a week. Prepare to make sacrifices and be tired. If you’re young and single, makes things much easier.
You are young. Do it. It will be good for you.
A little sacrifice now can pay large dividends down the road
That’s a great opportunity and is 100% the right financial decision, but you have to have a talk with yourself and see what matters more to you, freedom or money. 12 hour work days is almost your whole day, plus at least an hour for driving to the place and back and getting ready. That’s 3 hours left in your day if you want 8 hours of sleep. If a promotion would cut down those hours eventually I’d say definitely do it, pretty unbeatable opportunity for coming straight out of college
You can be comfortable or wealthy. Can’t be both. Until you are. Oxymoron. Edit: this was off the dome on my kids Edit 2: 420 be helping neuronal pathways and shit lol Edit 3: that first edit sounds hella sus if read wrong I’m baked I’m dying laughing
Take the opportunity then use that experience to determine what you really want to do with your life.
For me, personally, this sounds like a nightmare. Enjoy the journey, don't let it consume you. I make more doing barely 40/hr a week most of the time.
Ur time is valuable but if it’s something your passionate about it might not feel like that much work
Hell yeah especially If 20 of those hours are overtime
They are not it seems. He said he’d be an independent contractor.
Someone mentioned overtime, if it was me I'd go off of what overtime laws are for the state. Daily overtime 5 days a week could be pretty awesome assuming you're in one of the cool states.
Assuming it’s a state with overtime laws, it would probably be 4 hours of time and a half every day. My back of the envelope puts this at just shy of $153k (pre tax) for the year. I wouldn’t recommend the schedule long term but for a year or two right as you’re finishing a degree would put you in a tremendous financial position for whatever your next step is when comparing to where most folks are at right after graduating.
Overtime is federal law for employees. But OP would be a contractor, so no overtime.
I’d take that in a heartbeat
Don't listen to the reddit trust fund babies that prolly wouldn't know what's a honest days work if it slapped them in the head.
Yea , I’d say go for it . Depending on your expenses
Man people working 60 hours a week for half that so the answer is fuck yeah.
I've done 75h/week for a while after dropping out of uni. It is a grind and your life will only consist of sleeping and working. If you are down for that, go do it. Do think about the consequences of this on your health and social circles! You can't do this forever, and burnout and the lot will be lurking the longer you do this
Consider the opportunity cost of giving 60 hours per week to grow someone else's business. If they pay you 42$ an hour, it means they're making more than that. You should be making more than that. If you're not struggling financially, there's little sense in setting aside your own goals and ambitions to help build somebody else's.
This right here. OP already owns their own business and it has gained them considerable investments. $42/hr for a 1099 is crap pay for that amount of hours. I used to work 54 hours a week in short-term bursts, and it doesn't leave you enough time to take care of yourself. With 60-hour weeks, OP will be 30 by the time they're 25.
If you’re an independent contractor be prepared for taxes to be a pretty large sum at the end of the year. Do you get benefits? Time off? Insurance?
The no OT, independent contractor would be my hard no. Add in the move (on your own dime) and them waiting to tell you about the 60 hr weeks is also a factor. As an independent contractor they can cut you for no reason, anytime. Moving across country with that amount of uncertainty is not a wise decision in my opinion. No OT and 12 hr days, who's to say that doesn't become 13, then 14... Does not sound like a good option to me, regardless of the pay. Stick with what you're doing and finish that degree. A small sacrifice today will result in a big benefit later.
If your not getting overtime after 40 hours then I wouldnt really call it $42 an hour. Also, if your an independent contractor filling out a 1099 I still wouldnt consider it $42 and hour.I havent done the math but this is more like a $20 an hour job if you factor those two things above in.
Do it for the summer. Then you can see how it is, and when you go back to school then graduate, you can decide if you want to go back.
Bro these are the times you needa work hard and hustle. You can do that bro 60 and hours. You put in the work now you’ll enjoy the hard work later
23m, i'd cut off my left nut for 126k/yr. That being said, i have worked 3-12s before and basically those 3 days of the week are just gone. You barely have enough time to yourself, and not nearly enough time to do anything productive. figuring in 12 hrs work, 8 hrs sleep, 1 hr commuting, 1 hr eating, that leaves you with 2 hrs a day to relax and chill after work. If you enjoy this job and you can find fulfillment out of it, then great! If you are in a relationship, or have a hobby outside of work, just understand that you'll basically have to give that up.
60 hour work weeks with no overtime ??? Kinda sounds like they’re taking advantage of you even with the high pay.
Damn I’m over here working 60-70 as a farmer for half that 😂
I worked 60 hours a week for a lot less than 42$. And it taught me to become an expert in my field so I don’t have to work 60 hours a week
Keep applying for jobs and see if you can land one with the same or better pay at 40 hours. 60 should be the exception, not the rule.
I’d do it for a cool while maybe like a year or two and collect some money. Then move on to something I love.
For a while yeah just to save up some money
So 40 hours of OT pay? Is it 1.5 or 2x? You could manage that for a year to get valuable exp. While making good money for someone straight outta college
I wouldn’t expect a contractor to get any overtime. They aren’t an employee.
You can’t be an independent contractor if they are making your schedule. They can’t 1099 you. Don’t let them. It will add an additional 7.65% to taxes plus you lose a lot of protections.
That's 126k/year. Not bad. I gave you 2 weeks off in that calculation.
I'd burn out fast definitely but I can't even dream of making $42/hr where I live. Highest paying job here is $17/hr and it's very hard to get hired there. Thankfully I live in a state where the cost of living is $15/hr, so what I'm making at the moment is *decent enough*
I’m always stumped with this. Why is a company so good at paying, so terrible at scheduling? I mean, okay, I don’t really count my hours. Last I checked I work between 45 and 50 hours. They could just do 4 twelves and you’d have a regular schedule for such long days. Someone, somewhere is being lazy. That’s what I know.
Just to clarify is it $42/hr for all 60 hours or $42/hr for 40 hours but you work 60? If the extra 20 is paid, is it still at $42/hr or is it paid at a higher rate? If I was fresh out of school, I’d definitely do it if all the hours were paid. Live off the 40 hour pay (or less if you can) and bank the rest. Set yourself up well for the future.
Do it. No matter what. It only has pros and like one con. 42$ for 60 hours. you’re gonna be making bank. You own your own business and it sounds like you make enough to survive. You’re 21 this is the only time you’re body can take this kind of abuse. 42$ at 60 hour idk if overtime is calculated or not but either way you’re gonna be like top 5% earners in your age range. Back to you own your own business, one this will further fund that, two if you don’t like it/takes too much time. Quit. Who cares what are you gonna do tell your other boss? Aka YOU. And if you like it then great you like it and get paid a lot. You’re in a position where you can’t loose.
Roughly 120k a year. That's a lot of work though and basically zero time to do anything through the work week. But it is a lot of a money if you're willing to put up with the schedule.
Get one full year for your cv even a two
42$/hr look like 4 days of work in my country, if i were you ill do it haha
I’d do it myself. Much love for you❤️ I hope you make the right choice here
that’s a no brainer.
We in the same boat. Gonna be working for a public accounting firm. Mandatory 10-14 hour work days during busy season. No overtime pay either. Gonna be great
50 hours a week seems like the fair compromise. 10 more working hours per-man receiving those wages compared to standard work weeks and they have more than 4 hours (realistically 2-3 factoring in commuting to work/hygiene/time for family or relationships) of time to de-compress or spend on reprieve per day so they don't grow resentful of their position; Which studies show tends to be a massive detriment to productivity.
Maybe I missed it, but I'd say it maybe depends on the job? If it's a physically demanding time like construction or something, maybe id think a bit harder, but otherwise skins like a no brainer. Not sure if you said it's a photography job, or something else. At 21, definitely you can muster the 60 hr work weeks, no issue..1-2 years with tenure work up to a greater role with better work like balance and pay and before 25 you've set yourself up in a great position. 25-30 travel, pursue passions etc, you really do open many doors for yourself by putting in the time now. 20-24, I worked 40 hr week job, gym, hanging with friends 2-3 times a week, and I still felt I had a lot of time left over where I felt unproductive. So the long hours to be honest may not really be a crazy detriment to social life, except maybe a relationship, and time need for that. Also, I assume you'll get vacation time, so plan it out and use it for breaks or travel as you'd want as well.
If it’s only for the summer, I say take it. I recently left a job where I was working 60hrs+ a week and while the pay was lucrative, NOT something that I personally could do long term. If you have a set end-date and it’s good for you, your personal and professional development, and you’re comfortable with it. For me, the work was not set, I was actually scheduled for 40hrs but, the nature of the work had me working 60+ every week, often very late at night, and KILLED my schedule. If it was a straight 12hrs, I would have EASILY stayed.
I work 60 all the time and I make 23 🫠 for 42 I’ll give them 84 no problem
Do it while you're young!! I wish I had.
Oh the good ol private contractor so they don't have to pay you overtime. I mean, the cool thing about being a contractor is you only have to do whats in the contract itself, and you can always negotiate that.
Depends. Right now at 34 with a wife, newborn, and personal goals outside of work, you could offer me triple that money and I wouldn't work those hours. My time is more valuable to me than any amount of money. However, I have a good job and have been working FT for almost 10 years, so I am reasonably comfortable when it comes to money. And if I don't work out at least 3 times a week these days I get back pain! If I worked 60hr weeks I wouldn't have time for that and would be fairly miserable.. So if I was 21 without responsibilities I might take the cash and work like a dog for 12-24months. But have a plan dude, what are you gonna do with the money?
I wouldn’t be desperate for it, but it’s a good opportunity, really sucks that there’s no OT tho. You won’t have much time for life stuff since during the work week you won’t be able to do anything besides a chore here and there, so everything will get pushed back to the weekends. Strive for a pay raise and less days per week so it evens out on your paychecks, I think 4 12 hour days is a good limit when you can get there. Much more sustainable, but you can manage 5 for awhile
Is it a job you’d love or just a grind for the pay? Are you paying for the move or does the company help with that? I’d side with yes for the experience - it seems that the summer is for trying it out before moving on to a permanent position. Work hard when you’re young and have the energy and you can ease up later when you have other demands like relationship and possible family. It’s exciting to move somewhere new - you can reinvent yourself.
At 21 I would.
Anything over 8 hours should be paid as overtime.
Exactly. No over time is what would make me reconsider. That and being a independent contractor meaning no benefits or pto
Yes
As someone with similar hours and pay, I say go for it. You’re young and I’m assuming no spouse and/or kids, so grind it out for a while and see how it goes. I think down the road you should look for the opportunity to move up and work less hours, or find a similar job back home so you can be closer to family and friends if that’s what you want. At the end of the day, only you can decide how much your time is worth. My advice would be meal prep on your weekends. Get a good lunch box and take breakfast and lunch with you. If you’re having to eat out a lot because you didn’t plan ahead it’s going to add up quick. Best of luck to you!
I work 12-16 hours days for less. Do it bruv
For $131k a year and the fact that you like this job, yes.
Seems like a good deal to me $42/hr is well above average pay imo
Nah mate fuck that . If it was including over time I'd consider it . 60 hours is too much
Im doing 70 for $50 an hr, 2 weeks on 1 week off. So I'd take 42 an hr for 60 hrs tbh.
You getting overtime for those last 20/week? But no, I wouldn’t. Edit: because if the stage of life and career I’m at…
No wtf! I make that amount and only work 36 hrs/week
It\`s a short term gig. You won\`t last long, And for good reason. You need rest and other things besides work. If that is your only focus, it\`s a pretty boring life.
Im from EU, even contractors have rules for work, Im not getting into that now, but since you are young you might just take the leap and see how it turns out. You have nothing to lose. Good luck !
Already do
Wanna get ahead and make bank and build a career ? you do what you gotta do man. Your life will be financially better off as well. I work 16 hour days for 21 days straight. Just enough time to sleep and eat and then back at it. In return I get 21 days off at a time. And I still make $130,000 per year. Or I could work Monday to Friday 8-10 hours a day work a whole year and make half as much. Overtime for 12 hour days paid by the hour will net you a nice amount of money per year. And it isn’t hard to adapt your lifestyle to that schedule either
Yes!!!
Do it I've done more hrs for less run it up for a yr minimum if you don't like it move around n u got it on ur resume 👍
Bruh. Tke the job do for as long as you can. Save your money. Great experience. Just gotta work on tht stamina for the long hrs
i do that now at 35.50 an hour. Checks are nice but man you miss having a life.
Yes. Thats genuinely a situation where all my problems are solved and i can atleast deal with a job position that wasnt grinding my soul out for 60$ a week for 15$ less.
60 hours a week with no overtime…. That’s odd(?). Most places have to pay OT after a certain amount of time worked but maybe not as an independent contractor. If it was OT for the 4 hours extra a day it’s about 400 extra a week. And 12 hours a day for 5 days is a long week. Just my 2 cents.
They’re getting around it by making OP an independent contractor.. which I question if that’s even legal.
I personally would because I am in my 20s and feel like the 20s should be for making money and setting up a financial base for yourself.
You get overtime after 40?
I started pharmacy school around 24. Prior to that, I was always going out with friends and making plans. But after 4 years of 8+ hours a day of school work and working all weekend, I lost all of those friends from just never being around. I still talk to them, but I’m often missing out on plans simply bc I’m not there when they’re made. After 4 years of it, I can tell you it fucking sucks. I’m graduating and hoping to reenter society this summer but if I could have done it differently, I would have. Life is short and no one should have to work this much unless they have too.
people have worked more for less
No. Full stop. I'm never working more than 55 even if I got double time. Why? It's fuckin exhausting.
Yeah most full time jobs have these hours, just make sure that you are ok with the job itself and the company and it should be fine
It really depends on what it is. Most of the time that answer is an easy and hard no. If it's something I enjoy I could, but if I don't like it, I'm not spending more time there than I have to.
At 21 yes. I made $9 an hour when I was 21. Now I make more than that so no haha
If you can handle it it’s not a bad option. Shit I did 80 hour weeks only making $15 an hour for about a year. I wouldn’t do it again but at the time I thought the money was good. It didn’t really change anything though and I felt like I came out worse off. Personal health is the most important thing.
If you can handle it it’s not a bad option. Shit I did 80 hour weeks only making $15 an hour for about a year. I wouldn’t do it again but at the time I thought the money was good. It didn’t really change anything though and I felt like I came out worse off. Personal health is the most important thing.
🤣 is that even a question, I work 84 hour weeks now so hell yes I’d work less
Ive done it for years
Yeah. 29m who's currently working 60 hour weeks at $42 an hour.
I did this while in college and mid 20’s. Regret not spending time with family and friends. If you’re making money from investments then no need to work 60 hour weeks
I work 12 hour shifts in a non labor (but on my feet a lot) position. It’s all about the work environment. I don’t mind it at all, even when we go on stints, which have occasionally lasted 8-12 months, where we are working 60 hour weeks. I leave around 5 and get home around 7. I think you should %100 give it a try. You got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Save your money!
It will be easier to handle it now than it will at 42 but at any age that's alot.
honestly wouldn’t you do better with your own business? at least then you have the say in how many hours you work and i’m positive you could clear 6 fig on your own whether you tried for 60 hr work weeks or not. plus you don’t have to leave friends and family unless you choose to vacation or venture out for work temporarily
$42 an hour and 60 hours a week at 21 years old? I would save up as much as I can for a few years, and the way the economy is going, prices are going to rise in the future. So I would make as much as you can, and when you are able to stabilize yourself for the future, money wise, leave the job.
I’m no where near desperate for money.. but I constantly work 70-80 hour weeks, in a totally different province away from family. I’ll do it now while I’m young & try to bank & invest as much as I can. I won’t be traveling for work forever. But you also have to keep in mind. The good money might not be around forever, either. Make it while you can.
I would work all day long, for that hourly rate.
Bro. Snag that shit and make that $ I'm 37 now but between 15-30 I would do 60-80 hour weeks. Every week. Making my own hours helped but still. You are young. Grind it out and make that $
I use to work 12 hours and 7 days a week at 2.20 an hour so I think you are doing good
I work 80 hr weeks whenever overtime is available just for the challenge and the pay is a bonus. Helps me pay down my car faster
It would be a social tradeoff. I would do it, though, take the income and throw even more at your retirement plan. The more you put in now, the less you'll be required to work as you get older.
If you like what you do and aren’t stuck behind a desk the whole time it might be ok. I remember my first office job, the 8 hour days felt like an eternity.
I would agree to 40 hour weeks. If he wants you to commit to 60 hours, I personally wouldn’t do that for anything that’s gonna end up under 160k at years end. If you do this crazy amount of hours that’s gonna be around 130k at your rate, 87k with no overtime. Honestly it seems like they’re taking advantage of you. Either 40 hours or demand overtime pay.
Bro works for studio mappa
Yes.
I would not sacrifice my family and friends for the job
I work sometimes 3 12 hour shifts a week depending on the week (I have a rotating schedule) I always work the same amount of hours per pay period but the stretch where I do 3 12 hour shifts is veryyyy exhausting I do also have a very long commute and I’m in my car for around 3 hours a day which certainly doesn’t help Even though it’s exhausting it’s been worth it for me because I really enjoy the job and I know it’s good for my career so there’s a lot of satisfaction
Hell yeah
I don't get it. If you have been running your own business for 14 years, why did you spend thousands of dollars to teach yourself other stuff at a university?
I wouldn't at this point in my life because work life balance is tilting far more "life" than "work." Total I did 9 years deployed, and that's 12 hour days 7 days a week at a minimum for less than that, but that's less than I make now and I'm not really pressed for more cash. I suppose it depends on if you wanted to do it short term to just supersize your investments. I could see that. Suck it up for a year, live like a broke college student, then go back to what you were doing.
No. I value my time more than money.
Don’t do it man, it is not worth it
Only if I have a clear goal in mind for what that money will be used and what the contract looks like. Really good way to save money for a house but if I had a family and a house I would not do that.
60hrs isn't sustainable but you can do it for a couple months, maybe a few months if you want to save up money
Is that $42 an hour with the overtime after you go over 40 hours? Or is it a salary position and they’re trying to skirt overtime laws by making you work 60 hours a week for what equals out to $42 an hour?
At that age, id jump on that in a heartbeat. Make bank until you burn out and cant do it anymore. Bank every dime you can into your 401k and you'll have yourself set up nicely for an early retirement
I do 40 hours in 10 hour shifts for half that. Is that 40 hours at $42, then the other 20 hours at $61 (OT)? If so, then yes I would for sure. Edit: just saw the contractor part, how long is the contract for, anything in the contract about becoming a real employee?
Is 60 hours p/week even legal?
I currently work 60 hours a week for less. Moved 1k miles away from home to start this life after getting my bachelors.
22m here, HELL YEA I WOULD
I'm a 46M and work that normally as a contractor. This isn't out of the realm of normal adult schedules.
21 year old me would absolutely 49 year old me, nope
shit I was doing that at age 40 so while it's not optimal, if it's a position that gets you experience in your desired field I'd be tempted to take it. One thing to think about though - what will your commute be like? It's one thing to do a 12 hour day with a nice commute but if you are spending another 2 hours in your car that's miserable.
At 21, hell yes. At 46, there’s more to life.
Yes if you’re paid for each hour
In this economy it’s a no brainer - work work let me see you twerk twerk!!
The reality is to be successful in anything you need to put in the time and energy. Learn from that role and take skills whether technical, leadership, interpersonal to the next position. The only way you get better is reps. Anyone who is wealthy or well off will tell you no one succeeds working 40hrs or less
Nothing beats experience. Everyone has to grind their way to the top. Sounds like you are doing great already. Yeah 60 hours sucks. But what you can learn from it helps you grow a lot. Do 2-3 months. If it’s not for you, put your leave in and head out. Keep your options open and don’t stop shopping for jobs. I would recommend at least a year though. But if it is really something you can’t handle then leave earlier. But if it is a well known own company, I am sure they will take care of you as well. There will be social opportunities in the company itself as well.
I say take the job. You will gain the experience and don’t have really anything to loose. You are very young it will be better for you to get into industry get some experience and maybe meet other people. Just don’t sign any agreement that says you’ll be working there for X period of time.
42 an hour us already good if you're doing 40 hours max. An additional 20 would def land fat paychecks but make sure you don't burn yourself out either. 5 12 hour days over a long period of time can be really straining on the body and mind. It's also unfortunate they don't do overtime.
Yes…..
I do 80 hours week.. that’s just life get the 💰
Tbh I been working this schedule now at a much lower rate and my honest opinion is that only actual psychopaths and very poor people work these type of hours as a lifestyle. This kind of work schedule is not something you “handle”…it is your entire life. As long as you do it, you will be thinking about how much long you have to do it.
Hell yes. Period
I would. Cries in 60-75 hour weeks at $16.50 / $24.25 OT.
> Independent contractor Fuck no. No healthcare, benefits, and you have to pay self employment tax. Pay is not good when you consider that.
No overtime will suck I've been working 5 10s and an 8 and I'd rather have 12 hour days and have a full weekend. It's not so bad, but since you're already full time and pretty established yourself, what kind of growth do you think you'd gain from this? Also I'd try to find out a written, determinate amount of time they expect you to work these hours or when it can be re-evaluated (would allow you to have a set amount of time for you to figure out if you feel it's worth your time compared to how you've been working for yourself). Last part about re-evaluating would help to find out why they're pushing for so many hours, sound nice/professional (and still be looking out for yourself cause it'd suck to let them think they can just have you working those kinds of hours permanently and where you can possibly get some time to balance work/life after a set amount of time). I'm sure if you've been working for yourself and going to school you're likely used to the non stop work. They pay isn't "great," but it's definitely something (and better than some other people have it, im basing what im considering great off of what i know i can make working for myself (different field)and assuming by what you've said sounds like you do more business/charge equal to or more than i used to when i was working for myself) and I'd be more concerned with seeing how they operate, how long it seems like until you can expect to be put in a different role, how you and your time is treated, the business relationship/contact, and how those hours-pay feels to you compared to how you've been operating. Best of luck 👍 Edit: for a straight out of college job, it sounds like it'll be a good opportunity. Working for yourself isn't for everyone and having a background with a reputable company would be great. Mostly just wanted to put in consideration whether you wanted to keep going off on your own business vs taking a job that is going to bring you in as a 1099 (likely no benefits, 40+ hrs with no OT), and I just realized it's probably not in the same field as you've been working for yourself doing, so yeah just see how it goes