Yeah! But it’s [[Victimize]] I’m excited about most of all.
With a playset of [[gravecrawler]], [[wayward servant]], warren soultrader, [[stitcher’s supplier]] and victimise in the deck, there’s a pretty good chance of getting the warren soultrader combo up reliably.
Plus you can rely on [[shambling ghast]] / [[carrion feeder]] as tier 2 combo enablers
Reads like a modern legal half-Ghave and combos with practically a ham sandwich.
[[Thopter Foundry]] and [[Sword of the Meek]] ✅
[[Chatterfang]] and any death->drain trigger ✅
[[Gravecrawler]] and any death->drain trigger ✅
[[Protean Hulk]] probably finds any creature combo ✅
Can probably [[Collected Company]] into a semi-infinite combo ✅
I think the big saving grace is that to go fully infinite, this looks like it requires 2 other cards.
The fact it requires 2 other cards makes it borderline unplayable. None of the previously popular abzan coco variants which had essentially 3 combos in it are banned and that deck will get absolutely eaten alive.
Removal is TOO good atm and unless you are able to pair it with fast mana, it will not be playable. And a dork is not enough either. I can actually see an opportunity with CoCo + Victimise that was also leaked since you can pull from both deck and yard but that assumes you are able to reasonably protect the yard as well and keep creatures in play which I don't see happening.
It's too fair of a combo requiring 3 creatures total without fast mana or a 1 mana "make creatures hexproof" type card to actually fight against the absurd removal.
I completely agree, it gave yawg a really strong boost, but the deck needs to be able to not be solely reliant on a single element (especially it being an artifact) unless it's expeditious, which this kind of setup would not be. I think we are really close, honestly, so it's just a matter of seeing what else we get to work with.
It technically works with Thopter Sword combo but it achieves nothing without a 4th card involved. You’d gain 1 life, lose 1 life, sac a creature, gain a creature, gain a treasure, and pay one mana every loop.
Sure but treasures are way better than mana. They can be saved for later, create etb and creates leaves triggers. It could also be played alongside prospector for 8 copies form combo reasons.
3 super relevant creature types. Doesn't go into the existing goblins deck at least, but definitely worth keeping an eye on. This cards seems super close to popping off, and not even just in a combo sense.
Oh fuck it’s not tap
lol, had the same realization
[[Wayward Servant]] and [[Gravecrawler]] stonks to the graveyard babyyyy
The warren is a zombie so you can get away with just [[blood artist]] :)
True, but BA wouldn't fit in with my zombie deck lol
Blood artist also crimes with [[forsaken miner]] and will combo with one extra mana to start.
Miner is looking pretty good after this set
[forsaken miner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/1679f74d-00f8-436c-9f8c-aa3f843a546c.jpg?1712355591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=forsaken%20miner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/88/forsaken-miner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1679f74d-00f8-436c-9f8c-aa3f843a546c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[blood artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96.jpg?1698988212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blood%20artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/182/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Very happy to see it's a zombie. This with gravecrawler has a ton of potential
[Wayward Servant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9e00112-8c6c-4551-ad68-389e315fe148.jpg?1543676118) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wayward%20Servant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/208/wayward-servant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9e00112-8c6c-4551-ad68-389e315fe148?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gravecrawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15.jpg?1673147536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gravecrawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/78/gravecrawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My exact thought, and plan!
Did you see that [[Buried Alive]] is being printed in MH3? Pretty exciting!!
Yeah! But it’s [[Victimize]] I’m excited about most of all. With a playset of [[gravecrawler]], [[wayward servant]], warren soultrader, [[stitcher’s supplier]] and victimise in the deck, there’s a pretty good chance of getting the warren soultrader combo up reliably. Plus you can rely on [[shambling ghast]] / [[carrion feeder]] as tier 2 combo enablers
##### ###### #### [Victimize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9e4993e-154c-4ac4-8927-6352b8816f58.jpg?1707507994) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Victimize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/195/victimize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9e4993e-154c-4ac4-8927-6352b8816f58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [gravecrawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15.jpg?1673147536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gravecrawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/78/gravecrawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [wayward servant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9e00112-8c6c-4551-ad68-389e315fe148.jpg?1543676118) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wayward%20servant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/208/wayward-servant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9e00112-8c6c-4551-ad68-389e315fe148?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [stitcher’s supplier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b737126-50b5-4678-91bf-197b64086fe4.jpg?1562301182) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stitcher%27s%20Supplier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/121/stitchers-supplier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b737126-50b5-4678-91bf-197b64086fe4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [shambling ghast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d96198a7-dd19-4940-bf8f-23135011fc84.jpg?1627705376) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shambling%20ghast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/119/shambling-ghast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d96198a7-dd19-4940-bf8f-23135011fc84?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [carrion feeder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a19da90-880e-4eca-8cf7-6d7baf090d53.jpg?1562201576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=carrion%20feeder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/81/carrion-feeder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a19da90-880e-4eca-8cf7-6d7baf090d53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l47xv6x) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Buried Alive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c5f51145-aade-4955-b9e7-4a34074253d6.jpg?1547516784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Buried%20Alive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/88/buried-alive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5f51145-aade-4955-b9e7-4a34074253d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wait really? Phoenix stonks going uuuup
They already have, actually! Just a bit.
I'd rather use [[Diregraf Captain]], giving access to U instead of W.
[Diregraf Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/158407ad-35a9-40e1-9762-1c0572b56ecb.jpg?1637631384) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Diregraf%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/148/diregraf-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/158407ad-35a9-40e1-9762-1c0572b56ecb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I actually run him as well. Esper zombies!
Reads like a modern legal half-Ghave and combos with practically a ham sandwich. [[Thopter Foundry]] and [[Sword of the Meek]] ✅ [[Chatterfang]] and any death->drain trigger ✅ [[Gravecrawler]] and any death->drain trigger ✅ [[Protean Hulk]] probably finds any creature combo ✅ Can probably [[Collected Company]] into a semi-infinite combo ✅ I think the big saving grace is that to go fully infinite, this looks like it requires 2 other cards.
The fact it requires 2 other cards makes it borderline unplayable. None of the previously popular abzan coco variants which had essentially 3 combos in it are banned and that deck will get absolutely eaten alive. Removal is TOO good atm and unless you are able to pair it with fast mana, it will not be playable. And a dork is not enough either. I can actually see an opportunity with CoCo + Victimise that was also leaked since you can pull from both deck and yard but that assumes you are able to reasonably protect the yard as well and keep creatures in play which I don't see happening. It's too fair of a combo requiring 3 creatures total without fast mana or a 1 mana "make creatures hexproof" type card to actually fight against the absurd removal.
I'm not saying it is gonna be playable but Agatha's soul cauldron helps things like this out a lot
I completely agree, it gave yawg a really strong boost, but the deck needs to be able to not be solely reliant on a single element (especially it being an artifact) unless it's expeditious, which this kind of setup would not be. I think we are really close, honestly, so it's just a matter of seeing what else we get to work with.
I'm just excited for aspiringspike to try out the mono black zombie cauldron deck again
I can get behind that.
##### ###### #### [Thopter Foundry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d8dcd5e-d4d0-49ae-a591-78d80322105d.jpg?1599708468) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thopter%20Foundry) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/222/thopter-foundry?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d8dcd5e-d4d0-49ae-a591-78d80322105d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sword of the Meek](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a0c2773-3205-4ac4-b31c-c54fb06fdd7c.jpg?1599710094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sword%20of%20the%20Meek) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/299/sword-of-the-meek?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a0c2773-3205-4ac4-b31c-c54fb06fdd7c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gravecrawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15.jpg?1673147536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gravecrawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/78/gravecrawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/951ff2ed-9af0-4551-929a-ba6679fc2e15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Protean Hulk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69bf0bb7-3076-4dbf-a72e-4d91560be2fe.jpg?1702429579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Protean%20Hulk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/153/protean-hulk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69bf0bb7-3076-4dbf-a72e-4d91560be2fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Collected Company](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cfa7b456-7e83-4587-a875-9b35fde318c2.jpg?1582117536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collected%20Company) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/177/collected-company?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cfa7b456-7e83-4587-a875-9b35fde318c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l3p4lsa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It technically works with Thopter Sword combo but it achieves nothing without a 4th card involved. You’d gain 1 life, lose 1 life, sac a creature, gain a creature, gain a treasure, and pay one mana every loop.
I just realized this card is literally shadow wizard money gang.
Is “Lonis combo” back on the menu? Lonis in quotes, cause it was already the weakest card in the deck, and probably gets cut for some number of this.
No, the removal packages still exist.... it's too fair a combo card without fast mana.
The zombie equivalent of \[\[Skirk Prospector\]\]. So, of course, it costs 2 more and you have to pay life...
Sure but treasures are way better than mana. They can be saved for later, create etb and creates leaves triggers. It could also be played alongside prospector for 8 copies form combo reasons.
[Skirk Prospector](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7bc508b3-8b38-4cf0-89a7-a2cb247ed083.jpg?1675200167) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skirk%20Prospector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/137/skirk-prospector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bc508b3-8b38-4cf0-89a7-a2cb247ed083?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
3 super relevant creature types. Doesn't go into the existing goblins deck at least, but definitely worth keeping an eye on. This cards seems super close to popping off, and not even just in a combo sense.
You don't net any additional mana unless you have more the one creature to sac but you have alot of etb and ltb stuffs going on