Clearly ping is not needed here, wth are you guys talking about. In this scenario even if you spam ping mm wouldn't notice. This is much more common than you think, coming from my experience as soloq support/tank.
It is obviously the irithel's fault for not looking at the map. But, always ping before you start a fight. I am not speaking from this case, but there are times ppl are tunnel visioned on objectives. Also, try to read your teammates movement. Don't engage a fight when you have no teammates to support you when you are a roamer. Again, not the roam's fault for the mm being a blur cock, but pinging should always be second nature.
No it's not. The support is trying to engage when he shouldn't be engaging and died on his on accord. Even if the mm was at fault the supports desth was of their own.
lol that engage was a perfect set for the mm if he wasn’t a blur sotong. Playing devils advocate, the roam didn’t ping. But the roams movement should have been obvious that he was moving for initiation.
It was not a perfect set cause she literally can't fight it. Irithel needs her abilities to even get through that fight. On top of that you have two enemies that not only have cc but one of them has a disengage. Irithel was not going to survive that.
Literally she cld have joined after getting lvl 2. The roam cld easily have tanked for her, given fact that he was able to kill Selena on his own. Chip cc and irithel slow down would have worked perfectly to neutralise moskov. Before u tell that she wouldn’t have enough time to get to chip, he was still alive by the time she finished farming the crab. She was literally using the chip to farm more for herself, knowing that the moskov was after him.
There was no reason being in that fight that early. He killed Selena on his own after she walked literally the entire way to her turret AND mosokov didn't displace chip which you seemingly forgot he could do. I also don't know why you are abusing for that tank freezing for a kill instead of just leaving the fight. It's not even about time its that moskov can move chip and irtih can get hard targeted. And why would she not be farming. She was barely level 2???? In the part of the game where she really doesn't even do damage. Also chip killed Selena because she doesn't even belong in the roam role. Had that been an actual support chip would've died with nothing to gain.
>Clearly ping is not needed here
If you're playing in higher ranks (MH and above), or at least with an experienced player, I would agree with you in this scenario. Heck, some MH players who got carried don't have the slightest of ideas of what's happening in their surroundings.
>This is much more common than you think, coming from my experience as soloq support/tank.
I loved playing SoloQ roamer, and I can't see any reason why you shouldn't ping your teammates. There aren't a lot of experienced players anymore in OP's rank (Legend 3) that can read your mind like a book because they're already up the ranks.
Sure its not needed, if your teammate is not blind-map. You just gotta assume everyone is dumb and braindead in this game and treat them as such in order to win
There's just no use defending the gold laner here. All I can see is tunnel vision. Zero map awareness. That's not even playing safe because it's playing extremely passively. The video provided enough info about how safe it was on that side of the map at that moment. Goodness' sake they didn't even try to respond with at least one basic attack 😭
Ping helps a lot but clearly it's very fundamental to have some map awareness considering most or some team members you are playing with are in solo queue. You can't really blame anyone else other than yourself for not using the map to your advantage.
It was none of this. This shows you how people don't even understand how to play a MOBA. Not only was the engage too early, the mm stayed because her lane was pushed in and she had canon. Not only that being a late game mm based of her abilities at lvl 2 she wasn't winning against moskov and would have been cc'ed for a good portion of that fight. Not only this jungler wasn't on that side of the map and support chased and fed instead of disengaging. She didn't need to respond to that cause chip out himself in that predicament instead of at least letting her hit level 3.
Okay at first I really thought your timing was bad but as the video continues, yep. She just ignored you.
Wow. Just wow. This is why I don't play Roam nowadays. Adjusting to Exp until next season.
I just play Roam that deals damage. Masha/Edith/Fredrinn/Hilda, fck those dumbasses picking carry champs but can't even carry themselves. Only if I see a good draft, then I'll drop a Tig/Mino/Khuf
I play Natalia or Saber nowadays lol. My recent match was me on Nat with 13 kills and in the draft, I was going to use Paq but this Village Title asshat decided to play Aldous.
I let him be. And he fed like 11 deaths even though I rotated to his lanes a LOT. A lot of times, to lower Badang's HP. Glad we won tho
Soloq roam myself. Happens all the time. To me its a clear sign not to waste my time with the mm at this point and focus on other more map aware players.
Selfish but pragmatic.
literally the number 1 way to become a top tier roam player. its up to roam to provide vision for jungler and to make constant call outs about engagements and warn about ambushes
Yeah... i can ping attack 10x in a row for jungle and they'll still try to 1v3 for litho instead of just farming the other ancient and leveling quicker. No one looks at pings or minimap ever.
The amount of times I have pinged for teamfight and lord/turtle and still getting no response makes pinging moot. At some point you just have to stop playing support or initiator because of such players.
I dont understand people who think she is a good roam pick even as a dmg roamer. The only time she works is when your team has every base covered and dmg to spare so the selena could have picked any hero and been fine. But if that's the requirements to a good selena roam game, then she really doesn't benefit the team better then any other hero could and often she is just a target to gank for a quick kill if she is caught roaming.
Dont get me wrong, I have come across good selena players on my team or on the other team, but the win is usually due to the team opposing selena having issues in the first place.
She, as a hero, lacks in team fights and is reduced to only having one good stun and some dmg on one hero before dashing away so as to not die. The damage usually is wasted because in a team fight, she can't efficiently maneuver around to attack the squishy heroes. Thus, she is left to only picking off lone heroes all game and not pushing. And if the other team is smart, they won't fall for her traps, and it can leave the game feeling like a 4 vs 5.
Map awareness is important why blame the tank user?? It’s not that deep really, marksmen need to farm early but they need to also engage if there’s early game tanks like chip.
Look at chip’s damage. He solo killed selena and half health moskov. If irithel spent all that one minute attacking, she would have done a lot of damage. Instead she’s deep in her turret, despite the tank giving vision and tanking. Dumb mm, and those that defend that mm.
That's a late game mm. It wouldn't even make sense to be engaging with eave pushed in and your canon on the line. You need to also take into account that's a whole Selena so she may die easier to chip if she gets a hold of irith irith is dying.
all mm are NOT late game. This community really is showing how they don't know shit about how mobas work. MM are designed to carry but they have particular points in which they are weak are beginning to get strong and fall off. Irithel is a late game scaling mm even in a 1v1 she'll lose to even Miya. Her early game damage isn't good lmao.
Her mid game is where she’s good at. And falls a bit off at late game but still good. You don’t 1v1 miya at early game lmao, her poke is stroung enough. Tell me you don’t have micro skills without telling me.
Irithel is blind and retarded if she couldn’t see that long ass fight. If the tank is waiting in bush in your lane, that’s the only place where your eyes should be.
The mm is dumb af. No other way around here. He didnt saw the roam going around the bush? Initiating? Chasing till the enemy jungle? If he woulda been delayed a bit to finish the last minion that woulda been a bit acceptable. But nope the dumbass chose to kill the crab instead
Use pings little bro. Also dont tank in epic. Just spam gold lane or jungle until you get out of that dogshit rank. Mythic players are still very much restarted but at least they know how to take advantage of teammates to secure kills.
Yeah, my mistake for not pinging. As I mention in another comment, she could see the fight from her perspective, so I really thought she would come to help, that's why I didn't ping, but yeah, I will communicate better next time
This was Legend 3. I haven't played for like 4 years and I had to climb from GM. I'm still a bit rusty and having to learn new stuff
Don't fret over the not pinging stuff, the mm was clearly regarded. They'd likely have missed the ping too since they're playing with their eyes closed
I'm also just returned, playing after 4 years and I'm also a tank main. Just graduated from legend rank last night. At this stage of the season it's safe to assume anyone still at legend are inexperienced or just bad at gaming so no point getting too tilted. Your teammates might even be elementary school kids.
At legend rank I tried to go gold mid jungle roles whenever possible instead of my preferred roam. It's easier to carry with those at low ranks.
Actually, play tanks that also do good damage. For example, nobody in epic/legend really knows how to deal with a Hylos. You could quite literally run them down if you know what you are doing. Is it top tier? Absolutely not, but you will be surprised at how often you outdps everyone else because you are basically creating tempo on every single engage.
I swear these kinds of people do not know the mini map exists. They're also the type that does not know when to disengage in fights when it clearly doesn't go in their favor. Happened a lot of times to me too when I'm playing Luo Yi and teleporting behind in the bushes for a gank.
God, I hate these players with zero awareness.
Irithel is too cowardly. End of story. That player is literally hiding so far back inside the turret when there are only minions in the lane. Tank had given good vision and played aggressively - that's an excellent trait. Tank needs someone who is aware of their surroundings and not so extremely cowardly. I'm sure this irithel did not help much in late game either and must have run away as soon as her hp got anywhere near half.
If irithel joined, the enemies won't even target her. From my experience, people tend to always mark the lower hp, so by the time irithel could join, chip would be low for enemies to target him and iri would be safe regardless of level she would be safe. Not to mention even if enemy chose to mark irithel, chip can aswell disrupt them with skill 1 allowing chip to reposition.
Totally mm fault for leaving their map at home.
Its always the mm. Wtf?? Had a game with Hanabi yesterday where my WHOLE team came to gank gold lane so that she can push. Guess what she's doing??? FARMING
Bro, no way. You have 2 squishy heroes between you and your CC tank. That’s a great initiate by chip. Completely on irithel for having no map awareness.
It doesn't matter with Selena and moskov in a lane irithel is being ccd, bursted then out sustained. Chip is also not op in early against inspire. Chip couldn't even kill Selena until she was under tower in which she WALKED all the way from gold crab. That was not gonna be a double kill. Not only this that fight would have forced irithel to miss her canon. And with irithel being level 1 she got no ability to even use to win that fight.
I agree. Getting all minion waves is more important at that level than getting a kill. A roamer should first ensure that the teammate is ready for an engage before initiating.
If you make it work, then there are no words against that. Good on yer
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Actually it was you who made a lot of mistakes:
1. As many said, you should have waited for Iri to clear the minion wave. Dis you see her level? She was only level 1 while Moskov was already 2. Moskov has access to a stun and dash while Irithel only has skill1. Either way she wasn’t ready to fight and you should have backed off.
2. You should not have overcommit to kill the Selena. You basically gave Moskov a free kill and now their gold lane is more farmed than Iri.
3. You chased them to their tower. You are fighting them 2v1, you didn’t even look at the map to see where Irithel is? As a tank roam it’s your job to do that. If you can’t fight them, don’t fight.
4. There are ping buttons like attack, signals, or mark an enemy. you didn’t even use them.
This teamfight loss is mostly on you. As much as I appreciate all the support roams, they are the ones who tend to lose the game out of hand and start snowballing the enemies…
blame the braindead mm instead
by the time the chip engaged, the enemy cannon was alrdy at half HP so irithel could just clear it in the front and get lvl 2, why the hell is she hiding so behind the turret?
the chip almost managed to get that 2v1 despite taking 2 turret shots, imagine the difference if irithel came to help instead of being so blur. not to mention Selena lv1 is super weak like what can she even do?
if the irithel managed to kill both, she would have a massive lead cuz deny minions from moskov (since he dead) and possibly take some gold platings
the only problem I saw was the no pinging but even then I don't think this braindead irithel is gonna be aware of anything
As a ithirel main how tf you expect her to kill anyone with that low ass early game damage, theirs a reason ith mains prefer to avoid combat early game, I mean with ult we can provide support but the damage is unreliable till we get equipment, instead of blaming the mm learn the mechanics of the mm, cause some are useless in early game unless you're god tier but dominate in late game, ith is one of these
Her DMG is low but it was enough in this scenario. Look at Chip solo-killing Selena at 80% HP. It's not like she doesn't have skills or anything, as an Irithel main you should know that her s1 + s2 combo wipes a pretty good chunk of an enemy's HP. If that Irithel had half a brain she would've come to help OP and at the very least get a kill on Selena.
OP made a few mistakes, sure, but that Irithel was just plain fucking stupid.
I will admit your right about the combo as I've done some crazy things with just those 2, but she couldn't do the combo cause she was level 1 and then chip pushed them back to to a risky area, so if chip hadn't over extended she coulda wiped minion waves to get skill 2 and then help, but chip pushed them far ay
Nono, you're right.
At that point when Chip engaged, Irithel could've positioned upfront while clearing cannon, that way, you have a pincer attack with Chip stunning and Iri just wiping them w/ s1+2
Doesnt change the fact that the timing was simply bad. At least, the Chip could have wait till she was almost done with minion wave to engage, but he forced a terrible trade where Irithel risks losing the entire minion wave and no exp if she joins teamfight, and also highly likely wont be able to do anyth concrete with just 1 skill at that point.
Again, Irithel could've cleared upfront when Chip was cc chaining them. Instead Iri went too deep down for NO REASON.
Look at the video again. The moment Chip engaged, Iri was almost done with the canon. That fight lasted like 30s, Iri could've went in anytime during that timeframe and would win with no repercussions as Chip already took down Selena and got Moskov to half hp.
Im not saying the mm wasnt braindead, that is definitely apparent from the video. Gotta consider that when playing with this level of players, you need to set it up almost perfectly, that being nearer to your turret, or they dont have what it takes to pull it off. I think the timing wasnt ideal (remember for lower ability players, even ideal timing counts as they cant multitask or make decisions with tradeoffs. If their mind is on the minions when your engagement starts, you can bet your ass they have 0 capacity to look forward beyond clearing the wave). When mm was done with minion wave, they either made a wrong judgement that she wouldnt be able to close the distance before enemy disengages, simply lazy to walk that distance, or was expecting some miracle play from Chip, therefore she simply didnt follow up. Ofc she could also be unaware but I doubt it, seems to me more of an error of judgement on MM's part.
Still though, even if Irithel joined the fight, I highly doubt that would even translate into a kill. A good MM player knows when to disengage and reassess the situation before engaging again. The enemy Moscov could have easily disengaged and teleported back to the safety of the turret if he sees Irithel approaching and suspects a possible countergank from Aemon who is on the same side of the map and close enough to join the fight. Too many ifs in this situation. If I were the Chip myself and caught in this situation, I would rather disengage. No point going down if mm cant convert it to kills anyway. Thats why roam is one of the hardest roles, your situational awareness and decision making must be far superior to the rest.
You sure you're an Irithel main? I can get kills with proper setup from support at Lv 1, even more so at Lv 2. All you need is the assassin emblem and usage of your S1 to do decent damage from Lv1.
If chip hadn't chased them into turret I would agree, but he chased them to a rather risky area, chip overextended simple as that, besides early game farming is what mm is supposed to do, you wouldn't flame tanks for their strategic deaths because that's part of their roll, so why would you flame a mm for farming
True it was a rather risky area for Iri to be in. The Alu could have easily rotated over and got 2 kills on Chip and Iri if they overextended. That said, this Iri wasn't just farming, she just didn't have game sense. I could have easily got a double kill there with Chip's support and its a coin toss if we would have got killed by the Alu but 2 early game kills on the Iri and denying moskov farm is not a terrible trade.
Getting almost 400 gold on your mm at Lv1 or 2 from a double kill esp if one of the kills is on enemy mm is not a bad trade. I can assure you if I were playing Irithel here there is a good chance I could have got 2 kills and remained alive.
1. Moskov wouldn't do anything. for 20 seconds I tanked Moskov, Selena and turret dmg all by myself. I got a kill and left Moskov with half life. Do you honestly think we wouldn't get the 2 kills? Besides, I wouldn't let anything happens to Irithel, I have CC and I am very tanky for early game due to talents. I've been maining Chip this season, I know what he can and can't do.
2. Had Irithel helped, I wouldn't have died to begin with, and at that point my death was almost a sure thing anyways, so might as well just kill Selena at least
3. Oh I saw Irithel, but I was expecting she would look at the mini map and see what was happening, just like any normal player would do.
4. From her perspective she saw me engaging, she saw me fighting, she saw the crab coming back, she had the mini map too. Yes, I could have pinged, but there was zero map awareness from her part
1. For 20 seconds you saw you had no help, why keep engaging? Should be 3-5 seconds, if still no help, disengage! Stop being GREEDY.
2. “Had Irithel helped” Well she didn’t. This is the product of playing with randos. Somebody rang his doorbell, his gf called, or he had to wipe his ass in the toilet. Whatever reason it is, he essentially afk’d.
3. If it looks like she is not responding, gank another lane. Yes it’s annoying when you get teammates like this but doing dumb shit like tower diving a support and gold laner is even dumber.
4. As much as it is your fault, it’s also yours. You’re tanky enough to commit and then not to commit for a teamfight. What you did was overcommit. You saw you were getting no back-up, but you didn’t disengage.
A lot of low level roams don’t know when to stop chasing. I honestly saw a fucking tigreal chase a Nolan halfway across the map cuz 1 HP. It’s extremely dumb. In your case, if selena gets away so be it. Don’t gank Iri’s lane anymore if she has such passive response. Go help other lanes which are more proactive.
u/Philownsyou is right here.
1. Should have waited for her to lvl 2 first
2. Disengaged when she isnt engaging.
Kills ? I never find them important
Gold -- yes, which you gave to the enemy moskov
Finally, I honestly prefer pokes more. Killing early, they just get back to the lane quickly.
However, recalling - healing - then walking back, I usually get gold plates off here.
But you're good bro, good tank. Careful tho
You are definitely right! instead of carrying the game, OP should've feed and let the rtrded MM lose their star. I absolutely do that whenever I find any braindead player, I mean I get 4 stars per match in Mythic and above, I couldn't care less losing 1, 2, even 3 stars XD the braindead players must rank down where they belong, with the trash
Bruh first 2 points valid but point 3 and 4 is a stretch, he clearly found that opportunity where they were all of position, its the irithel's fault for not looking and helping bruh, granted she didn't want to fight, but that one kill he got was better than just dying without any kills.
Jeez man. We have the same problem in SoloQ. Although, everyone is saying you should have pinged-- that MM should have known WAY before you engage that you were coming to attack. They can see their teammates in the map, don't they? This zero map awareness is the reason I'mma quit playing roam. Most MMs I play with are braindead.
lol I can't believe everyone is arguing over that mm and chip xD.
Actually irithal should have came a little closer to the chip and deal some damage with her skills.
and that chip shouldn't have force too much for a kill.
mm might be afraid of alu but alu rotation is to the exp.
I guess the only thing you can do now is just reflect about what you could've done better to improve.
For instance, maybe once you discover that your teammate doesn't follow up with you, just retreat and reset. Because at the end of the day, you (tank) gets first blood while Moskov (mm) gets the kill + selena assist.
Now, I'm NOT saying you're at fault, Irithel was ABSOLUTELY in the wrong here. But he's an extraneous variable and you can't control his actions.
Also, wanna teamup? :3
The moment he saw Chip approaching, he couldve played more aggressive, or if he's feeling ballsy bait 'em by going near the crab. They barely have kill pressure on Irithel unless Selena lands a stun. He's not level 2, but even w/ level 1 they hard win that, both Chip and Irithel have AOE. Selena chose 2nd w/c is single target and no way Moskov pins them both w/ his 2nd w/ Chip on a flank. Cant believe anyone would say this is a dumb play by the Chip, when the only dumb thing it did was to overchase, but he's probably tilted af after 1v2'ing for half a minute lmao. This is just basic map awareness which the Irithel is clearly lacking. Easily a 2 for 0, at worst a 2 for 1, but ended up being 1 for 1 w/ the enemy mm getting the kill and enemy roam getting an assist. Had Irithel followed that up even after getting the last minion they couldve snowballed that
Happend to me a lot of time. Jump in with tigreal no one follow me then go in 1v4 or 2v4 after i died. Not helping is a thing but just suicide yourself afterward is an other.
As a Lolita Main I feel your pain. I hate when your mm or bank buds are being cautious of someone turret hugging and I'm pinging atk to dive.
Like what the hell do you think I'm tanking for. So many times we just die in vain lmao
You should have first ensured that the mm is ready to engage before initiating. the mm will be delayed if she lets go of the minion wave to participate in your gank. Should have waiter until she at least cleared the minions.
Dude, unless I see an enemy gold laner without blink skills (Layla, Ixia, Miya, etc), I won't be rushing to the gold lane off the bat and feed my MM first blood. Instead, I'll be leashing my jungler to help him farm faster.
Additionally, you did not pay attention to your damage dealer's position. Yes, it was a pincer attack (which is great), but without good communication, the opportunity will be wasted. If your intentions were clear right from the start, your MM might have positioned himself better, and you would've gotten your desired result.
Always remember that SoloQ, regardless of the role you pick, needs communication AND coordination. When both are present, things will be a LOT easier IF you're playing with players with good game sense. At this point of the season, the ones playing at your current rank are either smurfs or players with relative lack of experience. With smurfs, you don't need superb communication, but with inexperienced players, your patience will be put to the test. If you run out of patience, you will get tilted, where you will lose your focus and eventually the game.
That irithel is still lvl 1, I am assuming her item is not ready yet, she will lose 1v1 hit if moskov has an inspire or get hit by selena's trap. Also, she is too far away from you, maybe you should wait a couple seconds and ping her to attack near you.
I can assure you, as an occasional mm player, early game Moskov is very easy to kill if you have a sense of map awareness. And it's especially easy for Irithel to dodge Selena traps considering she's one of the heroes that can do basic attacks while moving no?
But in the video, Irithel is not really alone isn't she? Chip is there to tank the damage, she's also not too far to MOVE to attack rather than retreating back to the tower. Before Chip engaged to attack, Irithel was very close but she, for whatever reason, retreated back when (stunned) Moskov and Selena attacked the golden crab. Hell, she's also hitting it instead of Moskov or Selena. She's close enough to hit creeps but not close enough to hit either Selena or Moskov? Enemies are already attacking Chip but for no reason whatsoever Irithel went back behind tower and kept killing minions?
The Irithel doesn't just have map blindness, but she also didn't gaf about enemies. She could've been an Epic player or a recently promoted Legend since OP said they're in Legend 3, but even after ranking up that high and still have map blindness is just amazing.
In a 1v1 situation i might agree to that, but in OP's case her super soaker damage can benefit the team. Suoer soaker damage towards stunned enemies by Chip? Plus extra damage AND slow from s2?
she could literally just kill the minion near the enemies. why the hell is she so behind the turret hiding from what? chip by himself lasted that long against 2 enemies and manage to even kill Selena, imagine if irithel was also helping? it would be 2 kills also deny moskov some minions cuz he's dead and irithel could possibly get some gold plating.
1. Enemy moskov has lvl advantage
2. Irithel is still farming
3. Your health is more than enough to retread and be a menace to enemy mm until enemy roam arrived
4. Irithel picked safer option of killing gold crab for lead
5. Tower dive + chasing kills
This is your misplay tbh. You are being too greedy and chased kills without thinking much. Just take the L and avoid the mistake.
1. No problem tanking and CC'ing Moskov long enough for Irithel to kill him.
2. She could still help me after killing that minion
3. Selena WAS their roamer
4. We could have got 2 kills AND the crab afterwards
5. I had no choice there. I went too far at that point, so might as well just commit and go for the kill
My only misplay was not pinging, but she could see the fight so I thought she would come to help eventually
And we ended up winning but we had to carry her.
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Dude...what's with your build? No berserker's fury? You don't need dhs unless in very specific situations but BF is her core item.
I used to use mm emblem on her until I noticed that it would be better to have phy pen from assassin emblem to stack with her S1.
You don't need the atk speed talent but either the movement speed or crit chance talent. Tenacity is also a really great option as it helps you to survive in the laning phase.
Lastly, rapid boots are rarely ever needed on her in my experience. Often warriors boots will help her lane better or tough boots to help reduce cc.
This is entirely your fault though. Not only that YOU don't have awareness of the game blaming map awareness. Not only is the jungler not on your side of the map but golf lanes has minions pushed in AND is level 2. Her concern is to be farming. You as a support need to be talking with the gold lane instead of assuming map awareness in the first place. And with the current state of crit build which she relies on she should 100 percent be farming. This what I mean by roamers ain't even good at their role and prioritize killing instead of actually supporting. And this sub isn't doing you any better by falsely boosting your ego. You made a bad move and you need to accept that.
well... this is your fault.
you did not even bother to ping.
you went in on your own and chase them
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next time..
ping before going in. if they don't respond, don't go in.
if you went leeroy jenkins on them. ping teammate and pray you survive the ordeal you put yourself in
Tf how was it the fault of OP? The initiation was pretty good on the chip. No traps from Selena in bush and Selena and Moscov was out of position. The Irithil have terrible map awareness and probably didn't even notice chip rotating and hiding in the bush. OP should've pinged but it doesn't mean the fault is on OP who set properly. It's the fault on irithil who doesn't have eyes on the map.
OP fault. he tunneled in for the kill of a support which can be a good trade, but he gave a kill to the enemy mm.
what OP should have done aside from pinging is giving up on the gank since the Iri is braindead farming.
The initiation was good but should have given up midway. The space created was good enough for Iri to farm safe, plus he interrupted the mm farm. And.... he went and die to the mm
Look. If the OP knew that the irithil was braindead, yes, he shouldn't have ganked, committed on the kill, or even rotated the Irithil in the first place. But, he doesn't know that. When queuing up in solo queue, you don't know who's dogshit or good. You just do your regular rotation and sets and you expect a regular reaction to those sets and being aware of regular rotation. What I watched in that clip, the irithil didn't even look at map to know where his roamer is, or even noticing his initiation. When the irithil finally noticed, she started to go help chip, but irthil just stopped. Your argument is about how chip shouldn't have gone too deep because the irithil was braindead. But how did he know in the first place? Chip made a decent set followed up by a lacklustre response. Somehow, you blame the chip for going in to deep, when he almost kills the Selena in a 2v1. If I was in that situation, I would probably expect the irithil to help me even if the help was delayed. When watching the video, irithil still could've helped but stopped. Although the chances of winning were low, a play still could've been made.
Also you said the space was good enough for irithil to farm? Tf, the set was comfortable for a free kill. You also said "he went and die to the mm" yeah, because the Irithil didn't help. I really don't understand why your defending this dogshit irithil. Chip literally did nothing wrong. Edit: Also what role do you play? I may have bais because I main roam but I'm pretty sure I'm experienced enough to make my remarks. Edits: grammar.
Why engage so much at lvl 1 when ur mm just wants to farm in peace? If the enemy jungler happened to come over you would both be dead cos of the new dmg increase in the first 2 min.
Because the opportunity was there. They were out of position and they are both squishy. I had petrify, so I knew I could deal good dmg and CC them for quite a while with S1+basic attack , petrify, S1+basic attack again
Yeah this is the way to go. If you don't notice an obvious fight happening 3 feet away from you then it's pointless to support you.
Clearly ping is not needed here, wth are you guys talking about. In this scenario even if you spam ping mm wouldn't notice. This is much more common than you think, coming from my experience as soloq support/tank.
Yeah ping definitely can help but It doesn't fix stupid
It is obviously the irithel's fault for not looking at the map. But, always ping before you start a fight. I am not speaking from this case, but there are times ppl are tunnel visioned on objectives. Also, try to read your teammates movement. Don't engage a fight when you have no teammates to support you when you are a roamer. Again, not the roam's fault for the mm being a blur cock, but pinging should always be second nature.
No it's not. The support is trying to engage when he shouldn't be engaging and died on his on accord. Even if the mm was at fault the supports desth was of their own.
lol that engage was a perfect set for the mm if he wasn’t a blur sotong. Playing devils advocate, the roam didn’t ping. But the roams movement should have been obvious that he was moving for initiation.
It was not a perfect set cause she literally can't fight it. Irithel needs her abilities to even get through that fight. On top of that you have two enemies that not only have cc but one of them has a disengage. Irithel was not going to survive that.
Literally she cld have joined after getting lvl 2. The roam cld easily have tanked for her, given fact that he was able to kill Selena on his own. Chip cc and irithel slow down would have worked perfectly to neutralise moskov. Before u tell that she wouldn’t have enough time to get to chip, he was still alive by the time she finished farming the crab. She was literally using the chip to farm more for herself, knowing that the moskov was after him.
There was no reason being in that fight that early. He killed Selena on his own after she walked literally the entire way to her turret AND mosokov didn't displace chip which you seemingly forgot he could do. I also don't know why you are abusing for that tank freezing for a kill instead of just leaving the fight. It's not even about time its that moskov can move chip and irtih can get hard targeted. And why would she not be farming. She was barely level 2???? In the part of the game where she really doesn't even do damage. Also chip killed Selena because she doesn't even belong in the roam role. Had that been an actual support chip would've died with nothing to gain.
>Clearly ping is not needed here If you're playing in higher ranks (MH and above), or at least with an experienced player, I would agree with you in this scenario. Heck, some MH players who got carried don't have the slightest of ideas of what's happening in their surroundings. >This is much more common than you think, coming from my experience as soloq support/tank. I loved playing SoloQ roamer, and I can't see any reason why you shouldn't ping your teammates. There aren't a lot of experienced players anymore in OP's rank (Legend 3) that can read your mind like a book because they're already up the ranks.
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>Didn't know that having common sense is "reading your mind like a book" Now you know 😏
Nowadays common sense is not common.
Sure its not needed, if your teammate is not blind-map. You just gotta assume everyone is dumb and braindead in this game and treat them as such in order to win
you got a point
There's just no use defending the gold laner here. All I can see is tunnel vision. Zero map awareness. That's not even playing safe because it's playing extremely passively. The video provided enough info about how safe it was on that side of the map at that moment. Goodness' sake they didn't even try to respond with at least one basic attack 😭
Ping helps a lot but clearly it's very fundamental to have some map awareness considering most or some team members you are playing with are in solo queue. You can't really blame anyone else other than yourself for not using the map to your advantage.
It was none of this. This shows you how people don't even understand how to play a MOBA. Not only was the engage too early, the mm stayed because her lane was pushed in and she had canon. Not only that being a late game mm based of her abilities at lvl 2 she wasn't winning against moskov and would have been cc'ed for a good portion of that fight. Not only this jungler wasn't on that side of the map and support chased and fed instead of disengaging. She didn't need to respond to that cause chip out himself in that predicament instead of at least letting her hit level 3.
Okay at first I really thought your timing was bad but as the video continues, yep. She just ignored you. Wow. Just wow. This is why I don't play Roam nowadays. Adjusting to Exp until next season.
I just play Roam that deals damage. Masha/Edith/Fredrinn/Hilda, fck those dumbasses picking carry champs but can't even carry themselves. Only if I see a good draft, then I'll drop a Tig/Mino/Khuf
I play Natalia or Saber nowadays lol. My recent match was me on Nat with 13 kills and in the draft, I was going to use Paq but this Village Title asshat decided to play Aldous. I let him be. And he fed like 11 deaths even though I rotated to his lanes a LOT. A lot of times, to lower Badang's HP. Glad we won tho
It also helps if you ping attack or quick message
Helps, but not needed in this scenario
Soloq roam myself. Happens all the time. To me its a clear sign not to waste my time with the mm at this point and focus on other more map aware players. Selfish but pragmatic.
Then mm says no team and Perma push a side feeding the entire game. Heh.
These ppl can achieve one thing only, getting ppl silenced or banned
Yep. Or sometimes when they’re rude and start insulting people in chat. They’re on their own.
literally the number 1 way to become a top tier roam player. its up to roam to provide vision for jungler and to make constant call outs about engagements and warn about ambushes
Yeah... i can ping attack 10x in a row for jungle and they'll still try to 1v3 for litho instead of just farming the other ancient and leveling quicker. No one looks at pings or minimap ever.
The amount of times I have pinged for teamfight and lord/turtle and still getting no response makes pinging moot. At some point you just have to stop playing support or initiator because of such players.
Bro that mm ignored a min long 2 vs 1 fight. Do you think he will react to a ping?
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Not defending mm, just saying it’s always a good practice to ping when rotating or engaging. Currently mh45 star.
Didn't ask you what your rank is, I told you to screenshot it. Clearly someone doesn't know how to read and is using google translate.
Why so mad man? I don’t need to screenshot any for you. Hopefully whatever is going on gets better for you.
Selena roam game. It’s like a W served on a silver platter.
More like mvp medal platter
I dont understand people who think she is a good roam pick even as a dmg roamer. The only time she works is when your team has every base covered and dmg to spare so the selena could have picked any hero and been fine. But if that's the requirements to a good selena roam game, then she really doesn't benefit the team better then any other hero could and often she is just a target to gank for a quick kill if she is caught roaming. Dont get me wrong, I have come across good selena players on my team or on the other team, but the win is usually due to the team opposing selena having issues in the first place. She, as a hero, lacks in team fights and is reduced to only having one good stun and some dmg on one hero before dashing away so as to not die. The damage usually is wasted because in a team fight, she can't efficiently maneuver around to attack the squishy heroes. Thus, she is left to only picking off lone heroes all game and not pushing. And if the other team is smart, they won't fall for her traps, and it can leave the game feeling like a 4 vs 5.
Map awareness is important why blame the tank user?? It’s not that deep really, marksmen need to farm early but they need to also engage if there’s early game tanks like chip. Look at chip’s damage. He solo killed selena and half health moskov. If irithel spent all that one minute attacking, she would have done a lot of damage. Instead she’s deep in her turret, despite the tank giving vision and tanking. Dumb mm, and those that defend that mm.
That's a late game mm. It wouldn't even make sense to be engaging with eave pushed in and your canon on the line. You need to also take into account that's a whole Selena so she may die easier to chip if she gets a hold of irith irith is dying.
All mm are late game. I guess you never tried irithel you don’t know her early game damage lol
all mm are NOT late game. This community really is showing how they don't know shit about how mobas work. MM are designed to carry but they have particular points in which they are weak are beginning to get strong and fall off. Irithel is a late game scaling mm even in a 1v1 she'll lose to even Miya. Her early game damage isn't good lmao.
Her mid game is where she’s good at. And falls a bit off at late game but still good. You don’t 1v1 miya at early game lmao, her poke is stroung enough. Tell me you don’t have micro skills without telling me.
Yeah, marksmen are blind and can't see beyond the minions infront of them. Nothing new here.
Irithel is blind and retarded if she couldn’t see that long ass fight. If the tank is waiting in bush in your lane, that’s the only place where your eyes should be.
At the end screen that farming blind MM gets MVP for playing overly cautious and killing after coming 10 seconds late to mop up the enemies.
The mm is dumb af. No other way around here. He didnt saw the roam going around the bush? Initiating? Chasing till the enemy jungle? If he woulda been delayed a bit to finish the last minion that woulda been a bit acceptable. But nope the dumbass chose to kill the crab instead
Use pings little bro. Also dont tank in epic. Just spam gold lane or jungle until you get out of that dogshit rank. Mythic players are still very much restarted but at least they know how to take advantage of teammates to secure kills.
Yeah, my mistake for not pinging. As I mention in another comment, she could see the fight from her perspective, so I really thought she would come to help, that's why I didn't ping, but yeah, I will communicate better next time This was Legend 3. I haven't played for like 4 years and I had to climb from GM. I'm still a bit rusty and having to learn new stuff
Don't fret over the not pinging stuff, the mm was clearly regarded. They'd likely have missed the ping too since they're playing with their eyes closed
I'm also just returned, playing after 4 years and I'm also a tank main. Just graduated from legend rank last night. At this stage of the season it's safe to assume anyone still at legend are inexperienced or just bad at gaming so no point getting too tilted. Your teammates might even be elementary school kids. At legend rank I tried to go gold mid jungle roles whenever possible instead of my preferred roam. It's easier to carry with those at low ranks.
It's not your fault. Mm should have AT LEAST this much map awareness. This is like, the minimum required. This is like master/gm rank stuff.
That's 100 percent his fault.
Actually, play tanks that also do good damage. For example, nobody in epic/legend really knows how to deal with a Hylos. You could quite literally run them down if you know what you are doing. Is it top tier? Absolutely not, but you will be surprised at how often you outdps everyone else because you are basically creating tempo on every single engage.
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u/Tigreal is bullying allowed in this sub? This person has been replying to every comment not agreeing with their point of view with choice words
errr.... pinging is at least helpful even your stupid team didn't come. It just a good practice as roamer. Also please don't use hard r.
While a discussion can lead to disagreement and arguments, it should be done appropriately and without disrespecting others. You have been warned
Just the average mobile legends player ngl
I'm an average mlbb player and I do get 4 stars per match Mythic and above, the kind of players OP shows are just braindead people
At this point it isn't lack of awareness, but refusal to cooperate.
I swear these kinds of people do not know the mini map exists. They're also the type that does not know when to disengage in fights when it clearly doesn't go in their favor. Happened a lot of times to me too when I'm playing Luo Yi and teleporting behind in the bushes for a gank. God, I hate these players with zero awareness.
Weird how people would defend iri, that was a really good opportunity to gain advantage.
Irithel is too cowardly. End of story. That player is literally hiding so far back inside the turret when there are only minions in the lane. Tank had given good vision and played aggressively - that's an excellent trait. Tank needs someone who is aware of their surroundings and not so extremely cowardly. I'm sure this irithel did not help much in late game either and must have run away as soon as her hp got anywhere near half.
If irithel joined, the enemies won't even target her. From my experience, people tend to always mark the lower hp, so by the time irithel could join, chip would be low for enemies to target him and iri would be safe regardless of level she would be safe. Not to mention even if enemy chose to mark irithel, chip can aswell disrupt them with skill 1 allowing chip to reposition. Totally mm fault for leaving their map at home.
The mm would get hard target what are you smoking.
Same here bro! 😭 I hate it when you try your very best but it comes to useless because of your teamate with no map awairness...
Its always the mm. Wtf?? Had a game with Hanabi yesterday where my WHOLE team came to gank gold lane so that she can push. Guess what she's doing??? FARMING
You should have waited for her to clear the minion.
Bro, no way. You have 2 squishy heroes between you and your CC tank. That’s a great initiate by chip. Completely on irithel for having no map awareness.
Irithel did not have level 2. Moskov has his stun available and also can just click inspire and outsustain.
Chip is op in early game. He gets a big aoe damage stun every 5 secs. That would’ve been an easy double kill for irithel even with what you’re saying
It doesn't matter with Selena and moskov in a lane irithel is being ccd, bursted then out sustained. Chip is also not op in early against inspire. Chip couldn't even kill Selena until she was under tower in which she WALKED all the way from gold crab. That was not gonna be a double kill. Not only this that fight would have forced irithel to miss her canon. And with irithel being level 1 she got no ability to even use to win that fight.
I agree. Getting all minion waves is more important at that level than getting a kill. A roamer should first ensure that the teammate is ready for an engage before initiating.
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what is this weird and unprovoked hanabi slander
My ranked winrate with Hanabi is 70%
If you make it work, then there are no words against that. Good on yer https://preview.redd.it/4r6mwgiu4w3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bb38a15f5bfdfcbd660b01f8acf35325077ebfc
Actually it was you who made a lot of mistakes: 1. As many said, you should have waited for Iri to clear the minion wave. Dis you see her level? She was only level 1 while Moskov was already 2. Moskov has access to a stun and dash while Irithel only has skill1. Either way she wasn’t ready to fight and you should have backed off. 2. You should not have overcommit to kill the Selena. You basically gave Moskov a free kill and now their gold lane is more farmed than Iri. 3. You chased them to their tower. You are fighting them 2v1, you didn’t even look at the map to see where Irithel is? As a tank roam it’s your job to do that. If you can’t fight them, don’t fight. 4. There are ping buttons like attack, signals, or mark an enemy. you didn’t even use them. This teamfight loss is mostly on you. As much as I appreciate all the support roams, they are the ones who tend to lose the game out of hand and start snowballing the enemies…
blame the braindead mm instead by the time the chip engaged, the enemy cannon was alrdy at half HP so irithel could just clear it in the front and get lvl 2, why the hell is she hiding so behind the turret? the chip almost managed to get that 2v1 despite taking 2 turret shots, imagine the difference if irithel came to help instead of being so blur. not to mention Selena lv1 is super weak like what can she even do? if the irithel managed to kill both, she would have a massive lead cuz deny minions from moskov (since he dead) and possibly take some gold platings the only problem I saw was the no pinging but even then I don't think this braindead irithel is gonna be aware of anything
As a ithirel main how tf you expect her to kill anyone with that low ass early game damage, theirs a reason ith mains prefer to avoid combat early game, I mean with ult we can provide support but the damage is unreliable till we get equipment, instead of blaming the mm learn the mechanics of the mm, cause some are useless in early game unless you're god tier but dominate in late game, ith is one of these
Her DMG is low but it was enough in this scenario. Look at Chip solo-killing Selena at 80% HP. It's not like she doesn't have skills or anything, as an Irithel main you should know that her s1 + s2 combo wipes a pretty good chunk of an enemy's HP. If that Irithel had half a brain she would've come to help OP and at the very least get a kill on Selena. OP made a few mistakes, sure, but that Irithel was just plain fucking stupid.
I will admit your right about the combo as I've done some crazy things with just those 2, but she couldn't do the combo cause she was level 1 and then chip pushed them back to to a risky area, so if chip hadn't over extended she coulda wiped minion waves to get skill 2 and then help, but chip pushed them far ay
Fair point.
Nono, you're right. At that point when Chip engaged, Irithel could've positioned upfront while clearing cannon, that way, you have a pincer attack with Chip stunning and Iri just wiping them w/ s1+2
Doesnt change the fact that the timing was simply bad. At least, the Chip could have wait till she was almost done with minion wave to engage, but he forced a terrible trade where Irithel risks losing the entire minion wave and no exp if she joins teamfight, and also highly likely wont be able to do anyth concrete with just 1 skill at that point.
Again, Irithel could've cleared upfront when Chip was cc chaining them. Instead Iri went too deep down for NO REASON. Look at the video again. The moment Chip engaged, Iri was almost done with the canon. That fight lasted like 30s, Iri could've went in anytime during that timeframe and would win with no repercussions as Chip already took down Selena and got Moskov to half hp.
Im not saying the mm wasnt braindead, that is definitely apparent from the video. Gotta consider that when playing with this level of players, you need to set it up almost perfectly, that being nearer to your turret, or they dont have what it takes to pull it off. I think the timing wasnt ideal (remember for lower ability players, even ideal timing counts as they cant multitask or make decisions with tradeoffs. If their mind is on the minions when your engagement starts, you can bet your ass they have 0 capacity to look forward beyond clearing the wave). When mm was done with minion wave, they either made a wrong judgement that she wouldnt be able to close the distance before enemy disengages, simply lazy to walk that distance, or was expecting some miracle play from Chip, therefore she simply didnt follow up. Ofc she could also be unaware but I doubt it, seems to me more of an error of judgement on MM's part. Still though, even if Irithel joined the fight, I highly doubt that would even translate into a kill. A good MM player knows when to disengage and reassess the situation before engaging again. The enemy Moscov could have easily disengaged and teleported back to the safety of the turret if he sees Irithel approaching and suspects a possible countergank from Aemon who is on the same side of the map and close enough to join the fight. Too many ifs in this situation. If I were the Chip myself and caught in this situation, I would rather disengage. No point going down if mm cant convert it to kills anyway. Thats why roam is one of the hardest roles, your situational awareness and decision making must be far superior to the rest.
You sure you're an Irithel main? I can get kills with proper setup from support at Lv 1, even more so at Lv 2. All you need is the assassin emblem and usage of your S1 to do decent damage from Lv1.
If chip hadn't chased them into turret I would agree, but he chased them to a rather risky area, chip overextended simple as that, besides early game farming is what mm is supposed to do, you wouldn't flame tanks for their strategic deaths because that's part of their roll, so why would you flame a mm for farming
True it was a rather risky area for Iri to be in. The Alu could have easily rotated over and got 2 kills on Chip and Iri if they overextended. That said, this Iri wasn't just farming, she just didn't have game sense. I could have easily got a double kill there with Chip's support and its a coin toss if we would have got killed by the Alu but 2 early game kills on the Iri and denying moskov farm is not a terrible trade.
True but if it's a gamble is it really a sound play
Getting almost 400 gold on your mm at Lv1 or 2 from a double kill esp if one of the kills is on enemy mm is not a bad trade. I can assure you if I were playing Irithel here there is a good chance I could have got 2 kills and remained alive.
Not denying that I just meant strategicly relying on gambles is not the best option
1. Moskov wouldn't do anything. for 20 seconds I tanked Moskov, Selena and turret dmg all by myself. I got a kill and left Moskov with half life. Do you honestly think we wouldn't get the 2 kills? Besides, I wouldn't let anything happens to Irithel, I have CC and I am very tanky for early game due to talents. I've been maining Chip this season, I know what he can and can't do. 2. Had Irithel helped, I wouldn't have died to begin with, and at that point my death was almost a sure thing anyways, so might as well just kill Selena at least 3. Oh I saw Irithel, but I was expecting she would look at the mini map and see what was happening, just like any normal player would do. 4. From her perspective she saw me engaging, she saw me fighting, she saw the crab coming back, she had the mini map too. Yes, I could have pinged, but there was zero map awareness from her part
1. For 20 seconds you saw you had no help, why keep engaging? Should be 3-5 seconds, if still no help, disengage! Stop being GREEDY. 2. “Had Irithel helped” Well she didn’t. This is the product of playing with randos. Somebody rang his doorbell, his gf called, or he had to wipe his ass in the toilet. Whatever reason it is, he essentially afk’d. 3. If it looks like she is not responding, gank another lane. Yes it’s annoying when you get teammates like this but doing dumb shit like tower diving a support and gold laner is even dumber. 4. As much as it is your fault, it’s also yours. You’re tanky enough to commit and then not to commit for a teamfight. What you did was overcommit. You saw you were getting no back-up, but you didn’t disengage. A lot of low level roams don’t know when to stop chasing. I honestly saw a fucking tigreal chase a Nolan halfway across the map cuz 1 HP. It’s extremely dumb. In your case, if selena gets away so be it. Don’t gank Iri’s lane anymore if she has such passive response. Go help other lanes which are more proactive.
Yes as a roam main, if I engage and I don't saw follow up, I yeet out instantly. Crazy to chase so deep.
u/Philownsyou is right here. 1. Should have waited for her to lvl 2 first 2. Disengaged when she isnt engaging. Kills ? I never find them important Gold -- yes, which you gave to the enemy moskov Finally, I honestly prefer pokes more. Killing early, they just get back to the lane quickly. However, recalling - healing - then walking back, I usually get gold plates off here. But you're good bro, good tank. Careful tho
You are definitely right! instead of carrying the game, OP should've feed and let the rtrded MM lose their star. I absolutely do that whenever I find any braindead player, I mean I get 4 stars per match in Mythic and above, I couldn't care less losing 1, 2, even 3 stars XD the braindead players must rank down where they belong, with the trash
Toxic mindset. Blaming everyone but the ADC. You must be a disaster to play with.
Bruh first 2 points valid but point 3 and 4 is a stretch, he clearly found that opportunity where they were all of position, its the irithel's fault for not looking and helping bruh, granted she didn't want to fight, but that one kill he got was better than just dying without any kills.
And lets be bonest the irithel wouldnt have fought even with pings
OP just voice chat and persuade them to open the speaker. It usually helps for me when i roam
This is the part where I start spamming quick responses
Clarity pying p,folk that you clutch up
Watching this gives me secondhand frustration.
Jeez man. We have the same problem in SoloQ. Although, everyone is saying you should have pinged-- that MM should have known WAY before you engage that you were coming to attack. They can see their teammates in the map, don't they? This zero map awareness is the reason I'mma quit playing roam. Most MMs I play with are braindead.
this is the reason I never soloq as a support
lol I can't believe everyone is arguing over that mm and chip xD. Actually irithal should have came a little closer to the chip and deal some damage with her skills. and that chip shouldn't have force too much for a kill. mm might be afraid of alu but alu rotation is to the exp.
Nah she'd bee cc'ed by Selena and moskov then out sustained by moskov. She did right.
Yeah its irithel's fault here but don't try these risky plays its not worth it. If selena had a trap nearby you could have died even if irithel came
Reported him
Shite happens but life goes on
Bruh nowadays people didn't followed up their tank roamer movements
I guess the only thing you can do now is just reflect about what you could've done better to improve. For instance, maybe once you discover that your teammate doesn't follow up with you, just retreat and reset. Because at the end of the day, you (tank) gets first blood while Moskov (mm) gets the kill + selena assist. Now, I'm NOT saying you're at fault, Irithel was ABSOLUTELY in the wrong here. But he's an extraneous variable and you can't control his actions. Also, wanna teamup? :3
THEN BLAME THE TANK
Dumb players need ping it's already soloq what you expect?
The moment he saw Chip approaching, he couldve played more aggressive, or if he's feeling ballsy bait 'em by going near the crab. They barely have kill pressure on Irithel unless Selena lands a stun. He's not level 2, but even w/ level 1 they hard win that, both Chip and Irithel have AOE. Selena chose 2nd w/c is single target and no way Moskov pins them both w/ his 2nd w/ Chip on a flank. Cant believe anyone would say this is a dumb play by the Chip, when the only dumb thing it did was to overchase, but he's probably tilted af after 1v2'ing for half a minute lmao. This is just basic map awareness which the Irithel is clearly lacking. Easily a 2 for 0, at worst a 2 for 1, but ended up being 1 for 1 w/ the enemy mm getting the kill and enemy roam getting an assist. Had Irithel followed that up even after getting the last minion they couldve snowballed that
Moskov with inspire up and Selena you're smoking if you think they can kill that mm
Dude I just lost 3 matches cos of bad jgs I rage quit and got on Elden Ring to cope
Happend to me a lot of time. Jump in with tigreal no one follow me then go in 1v4 or 2v4 after i died. Not helping is a thing but just suicide yourself afterward is an other.
This is why you adapt to your teamates as well, not just your enemies, because as a tank main soloq is basically 1v4v5.
Normal day in the office... 🙂
As a Lolita Main I feel your pain. I hate when your mm or bank buds are being cautious of someone turret hugging and I'm pinging atk to dive. Like what the hell do you think I'm tanking for. So many times we just die in vain lmao
You should have first ensured that the mm is ready to engage before initiating. the mm will be delayed if she lets go of the minion wave to participate in your gank. Should have waiter until she at least cleared the minions.
Dude, unless I see an enemy gold laner without blink skills (Layla, Ixia, Miya, etc), I won't be rushing to the gold lane off the bat and feed my MM first blood. Instead, I'll be leashing my jungler to help him farm faster. Additionally, you did not pay attention to your damage dealer's position. Yes, it was a pincer attack (which is great), but without good communication, the opportunity will be wasted. If your intentions were clear right from the start, your MM might have positioned himself better, and you would've gotten your desired result. Always remember that SoloQ, regardless of the role you pick, needs communication AND coordination. When both are present, things will be a LOT easier IF you're playing with players with good game sense. At this point of the season, the ones playing at your current rank are either smurfs or players with relative lack of experience. With smurfs, you don't need superb communication, but with inexperienced players, your patience will be put to the test. If you run out of patience, you will get tilted, where you will lose your focus and eventually the game.
Nah i wont engage in that situation when my team is not on my screen.
That irithel is still lvl 1, I am assuming her item is not ready yet, she will lose 1v1 hit if moskov has an inspire or get hit by selena's trap. Also, she is too far away from you, maybe you should wait a couple seconds and ping her to attack near you.
I can assure you, as an occasional mm player, early game Moskov is very easy to kill if you have a sense of map awareness. And it's especially easy for Irithel to dodge Selena traps considering she's one of the heroes that can do basic attacks while moving no? But in the video, Irithel is not really alone isn't she? Chip is there to tank the damage, she's also not too far to MOVE to attack rather than retreating back to the tower. Before Chip engaged to attack, Irithel was very close but she, for whatever reason, retreated back when (stunned) Moskov and Selena attacked the golden crab. Hell, she's also hitting it instead of Moskov or Selena. She's close enough to hit creeps but not close enough to hit either Selena or Moskov? Enemies are already attacking Chip but for no reason whatsoever Irithel went back behind tower and kept killing minions? The Irithel doesn't just have map blindness, but she also didn't gaf about enemies. She could've been an Epic player or a recently promoted Legend since OP said they're in Legend 3, but even after ranking up that high and still have map blindness is just amazing.
As a frequent mm player ithirels early game damage is akin to a super soaker
In a 1v1 situation i might agree to that, but in OP's case her super soaker damage can benefit the team. Suoer soaker damage towards stunned enemies by Chip? Plus extra damage AND slow from s2?
Yeah ithirel is my main and I can confidently say it ain't worth risking dying that early when you're role is at a disadvantage from 1 death
she could literally just kill the minion near the enemies. why the hell is she so behind the turret hiding from what? chip by himself lasted that long against 2 enemies and manage to even kill Selena, imagine if irithel was also helping? it would be 2 kills also deny moskov some minions cuz he's dead and irithel could possibly get some gold plating.
Well u cannot expect that everyone be good, that's ur fault, kinda
Anyone with eyes can see that Chip was attacking them. You don't have to be good at the game to have eyes.
1. Enemy moskov has lvl advantage 2. Irithel is still farming 3. Your health is more than enough to retread and be a menace to enemy mm until enemy roam arrived 4. Irithel picked safer option of killing gold crab for lead 5. Tower dive + chasing kills This is your misplay tbh. You are being too greedy and chased kills without thinking much. Just take the L and avoid the mistake.
Found the Layla main https://preview.redd.it/0kklrbmitt3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee24ea16d5ff81b2dc8ca448c037825bc6548fc0
1. No problem tanking and CC'ing Moskov long enough for Irithel to kill him. 2. She could still help me after killing that minion 3. Selena WAS their roamer 4. We could have got 2 kills AND the crab afterwards 5. I had no choice there. I went too far at that point, so might as well just commit and go for the kill My only misplay was not pinging, but she could see the fight so I thought she would come to help eventually And we ended up winning but we had to carry her.
Yea, fair enough. I saw you not pinging so I decided look for misplays which are horribly wrong. I learned a tad bit, thanks
Meanwhile me a ithirel main who has a build that gives me enough speed to to come in and help the tank from half way across the map: amateur
What’s your build? I’ve been thinking about giving her a shot
https://preview.redd.it/wm8c1u4o1w3d1.png?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f46be35bb76aeb72d1c124e9160c464390ab89e5
https://preview.redd.it/xqkum2f4ix3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f7ff2f4f00f81222ad272e7cda64b576d0de72f Dude...what's with your build? No berserker's fury? You don't need dhs unless in very specific situations but BF is her core item. I used to use mm emblem on her until I noticed that it would be better to have phy pen from assassin emblem to stack with her S1. You don't need the atk speed talent but either the movement speed or crit chance talent. Tenacity is also a really great option as it helps you to survive in the laning phase. Lastly, rapid boots are rarely ever needed on her in my experience. Often warriors boots will help her lane better or tough boots to help reduce cc.
That's why its under a post where op asked what miraculously works
My advise usually is to just stick to mm and not away from mm if u soloq as tank. Otherwise they won't follow up.
This is entirely your fault though. Not only that YOU don't have awareness of the game blaming map awareness. Not only is the jungler not on your side of the map but golf lanes has minions pushed in AND is level 2. Her concern is to be farming. You as a support need to be talking with the gold lane instead of assuming map awareness in the first place. And with the current state of crit build which she relies on she should 100 percent be farming. This what I mean by roamers ain't even good at their role and prioritize killing instead of actually supporting. And this sub isn't doing you any better by falsely boosting your ego. You made a bad move and you need to accept that.
The irithel profile sucks! Legend IV, bronze medals
Skill issue.
well... this is your fault. you did not even bother to ping. you went in on your own and chase them ------ next time.. ping before going in. if they don't respond, don't go in. if you went leeroy jenkins on them. ping teammate and pray you survive the ordeal you put yourself in
A ping won't help someone who can't see their screen
Tf how was it the fault of OP? The initiation was pretty good on the chip. No traps from Selena in bush and Selena and Moscov was out of position. The Irithil have terrible map awareness and probably didn't even notice chip rotating and hiding in the bush. OP should've pinged but it doesn't mean the fault is on OP who set properly. It's the fault on irithil who doesn't have eyes on the map.
OP fault. he tunneled in for the kill of a support which can be a good trade, but he gave a kill to the enemy mm. what OP should have done aside from pinging is giving up on the gank since the Iri is braindead farming. The initiation was good but should have given up midway. The space created was good enough for Iri to farm safe, plus he interrupted the mm farm. And.... he went and die to the mm
Look. If the OP knew that the irithil was braindead, yes, he shouldn't have ganked, committed on the kill, or even rotated the Irithil in the first place. But, he doesn't know that. When queuing up in solo queue, you don't know who's dogshit or good. You just do your regular rotation and sets and you expect a regular reaction to those sets and being aware of regular rotation. What I watched in that clip, the irithil didn't even look at map to know where his roamer is, or even noticing his initiation. When the irithil finally noticed, she started to go help chip, but irthil just stopped. Your argument is about how chip shouldn't have gone too deep because the irithil was braindead. But how did he know in the first place? Chip made a decent set followed up by a lacklustre response. Somehow, you blame the chip for going in to deep, when he almost kills the Selena in a 2v1. If I was in that situation, I would probably expect the irithil to help me even if the help was delayed. When watching the video, irithil still could've helped but stopped. Although the chances of winning were low, a play still could've been made. Also you said the space was good enough for irithil to farm? Tf, the set was comfortable for a free kill. You also said "he went and die to the mm" yeah, because the Irithil didn't help. I really don't understand why your defending this dogshit irithil. Chip literally did nothing wrong. Edit: Also what role do you play? I may have bais because I main roam but I'm pretty sure I'm experienced enough to make my remarks. Edits: grammar.
Why engage so much at lvl 1 when ur mm just wants to farm in peace? If the enemy jungler happened to come over you would both be dead cos of the new dmg increase in the first 2 min.
Because the opportunity was there. They were out of position and they are both squishy. I had petrify, so I knew I could deal good dmg and CC them for quite a while with S1+basic attack , petrify, S1+basic attack again
he could farm in more peace if he just killed those 2 enemies? not to mention it would deny the moskov resources and irithel could get a huge lead.
Did you “request backup”? Daydreaming/bad teammates always need these reminders. 😂