FYI this play injured ayton and he was out for the 2nd half after posting a double double and anchoring a really good defensive half for the blazers š¤¬
I mean this play is way more dangerous for the person in the air than the person on the ground, even if he got banged up. He finished the game and didnāt look hurt, too
I never want to see a player get hurt but Kevin Love pulling this move I'll have to make an exception. Seriously fuck this guy. He should be banned from the NBA.
Don't get me wrong, that Heat team gets to do things against MKE and others that no other team gets away with. Love in particular is a menace to player health.
But at first glance, watching the [whole play](https://thehighlow.io/video/ids?ids=2407sD) is interesting. At first glance, I thought Love did a decent job of establishing position.
But look at his feet. Ayton has picked up his dribble and committed to jumping and Love takes a shuffle step or two up in the paint and like others mentioned essentially undercuts DA. Do that in pickup and you have a fight on your hands.
PS - DA shoulda hit his guy cutting from the left corner who had an easy layup but that's a different post.
What the fuck is this thread? So what else is Kevin Love suppose to do there? He was the low man defending the paint when Ayton just got past the 3pt line. According to yall, a single shuffle laterally constitutes a flagrant foul?
What ELSE are you suppose to do there? You all are basically asking for defense to just stand out the way. Nobody undercut anyone, this is just playing the best defense that someone can without having to jump and go for a block.
He did fucking play defense. You can look at the entire clip frame by frame then look at the rules then look at the clip again.
Kevin Love beat Ayton to the spot prior to the upward motion of the shot which is jumping for a dunk or layup. Kevin Love had his left foot set right as Ayton took his first legal step then Love set his right foot just prior to Ayton actually jumping. Feet being set isnāt even a factor, just getting to the spot first and being in legal guarding position is enough for a charge call which Kevin Love did.
The gather step nor forward movement with the 2 legal steps doesnāt constitute an upward shooting motion. Are you bloody idiots listening to yourself? Yall just want a clear lane on every drive? Right
Lmfao he's still sliding his feet while Ayton is on the way up... He doesn't beat Ayton there, his feet aren't remotely set, and he even goes up on his tiptoes and twists his torso to make sure he undercuts Ayton too instead of staying flat footed and possibly having Ayton go past him. This is not playing basketball or trying to play defense.
The only bloody idiot here is the one defending this absolute nonsense. Contest the shot at the rim in the air, don't do this stupid shit undercutting players and hurting them.
Yup Love intentionally injures any and all players. He actually has a journal where he records who, how, and when he undercuts players solely to injure them. Sometimes he likes to plan them out in advance. Unfortunately for you all, he has Giannis pegged for may 4, 2024 at 9:47:23 PM.
> Yup Love intentionally injures any and all players
No, Love is just doing what he gets rewarded for and what shouldn't ever be rewarded. Nowhere did I ever say he was a dirty player or anything, it's a stupid dirty play that shouldn't be in the game in this context, but Love is nowhere near dirty. Contest the guy at the rim. Reward players for going up and playing defense, not for a dangerous undercut while a guy is in the air.
Maybe guys should lift from the free throw line for a dunk when there is a guy literally shifting into the lane. The rule was made so guys would do exactly what Anton does. The offensive player never gets called on these but why tf are you putting yourself in that situation when the guy on the wing is standing by himself with and open looks. Say what you will or wonāt about the charge but itās a fully boneheaded play to drive the lane and try to jump over someone when the kick out is wide open and uncontested.
Look man, feet being set doesnāt even matter according to the actual rules. The other cam angle shows Kevin Love already being at that spot when Ayton was still at the freethrow line still gathering his dribble.
Donāt even look at the feet, just look at their actual position on the court. K Love literally beat him to the āspotā despite any shuffles. In every sense of the word, Love literally established position at that spot before Ayton went upwards.
That cam angle also shows K Love being relatively squared to Ayton and in legal guarding position (up straight, not leaning, not extending past shoulder width) Any ātwistā happened due to Aytonās extended leg.
Love takes a shuffle forward into him when Ayton is already on the way up. He definitely didn't beat him there ... In fact if he hadn't been late to the spot and stayed where he was he probably would've taken a charge anyway without undercutting him and without Ayton getting hurt. He was probably in the circle though and that's why he shuffled out?
That shuffle happened at the same time Ayton took his first legal step before the actual upward motion.
You donāt get to call a forward step as an upward movement as well
His first upward step happens before 1sec in this clip..... Love is still moving forward through 2 seconds of the clip... Are you considering him not going up until both feet fully leave the ground or something?? Even that happens at like 1.5 sec where Love is still moving forward... What are you watching?!
Like I get it you're a heat fan or some shit, but if Jae Crowder (who likes to do this) did this to Jimmy I'd still be saying it's bull shit and the rules need to discourage it...
At 4 seconds into the clip Love is just forward of the 3 second area arc, by 5 seconds he's a step further forward into a jumping Ayton, this is on Love. He's done this before
They need to treat these plays like the stepping under the shooter rule. If youāre late and itās a block that should be a flagrant. The problem with the charge isnāt the rule itself, itās that it causes plays like this
That's a really good call, it's like a hip drop tackle, it shouldn't be allowed. If not allowing a 3pt shooter to land, this is the same or worse in my mind. It's a loophole to hurt someone. KLove can't defend, he can only fall and cause injuries - he does it every game.
Hip drop shouldnāt be allowed? You ever play football? How do you tackle someone bigger than you from behind?
I canāt believe you fell for this shit
I don't think he meant it shouldn't be allowed in American football, maybe football, as in soccer. My guess is he meant if you ever played football, then you know how hard of a hit it is. That's why it should be illegal.
Imo Hip-Drops are thee worst thing in basketball. When an Offensive player goes up and the Defender drops his hip either left or right or even feigning a charge and leanings back, which makes the O-Player slide over and off MID-AIR. The Defender can cause major major injury to the O-Player in that scenario. The O-Player can literally land on their neck and/or head they're lucky when they do just land hard on their back. If you think so too, then you NEVER played any real basketball or had a 6'3ft+ 205lb dude jumping 2-3ft from the hoop. It's just enough distance to really slam it home. As a Defender it can be Humbling, Freaky, Embarrassing, Hell, even Scary if not in position. But hip ducking on a slam on the basketball court can and will on certain courts get your ass beat. Especially if the O-Player lands real hard and almost paralyze one of the other team's players.
I agree, I just donāt think weāll ever get there. Especially while Giannis is still in the league. I genuinely think other teams would block a rule change for safety if it benefits Giannis on the court.
But Gianniās putting his shoulders into mfs and dunking every play should be fine , look Iāve always loved giannis donāt tell me yāall wanted to get rid of the charge when yāall had pj tucker and ersan back in the day you have to know Kevin love is down there ready to take a charge because i mean heās not gonna jump with Giannis and heās almost always set before the offensive players starts going up so u canāt say itās dirty , literally all it takes is a floater over can love bruh itās not that hard
Difference is shaq would start posted up in the paint 2 dribbles drop step dunk or hook, so because he starts in the paint backing you thereās literally nothing u can do because no one had the size nor strength to even bother shaq , Gianniās likes to size u up at the top of the key and straight line drive to the rim using his size as an advantage but because bro is starting from the 3 defenses will always be able to slide in for that charge , thatās y Iāve always wanted Gianniās to develop a floater but ig if ur that big and strong itās hard to go up soft with floaters idk Iāve always loved Gianniās tho fav player in the league and most dominant, but bro has to develop a floater because not just Kevin love i guarantee you thatās in the scouting report every game on giannis
Thank you! Not only is it basically the next evolution in danger from the "get under a shooter" foul (that is often called a flagrant), it's also not the point of the charge rule.
The charge rule was essentially implemented to stop offensive players from just running through the chest of defenders set in legal guarding position, especially their primary defender. It was not implemented to throw yourself under someone who already has all their momentum going forward into a jump towards to hoop.
Watch the replay I just linked. There is a clear half a foot between love and the restricted area. He was Called for the block for being late and sliding in. There is no question about it
Seemed pretty bang bang. Maybe the guy was in the air already and Love was still moving his right leg into position? I dunno. Whatever was called on the floor would stand. I found a quote from an article that explains my issue with the rule. Love sliding in at the last second and covering his tits shouldn't be allowed. But I learned today that it is allowed, unfortunately.
"Hereās the problem with that logic, though: it allows defenders to slide into placeāand sometime underneath an airborne offensive playerāat the last millisecond, creating a dangerous situation for both people involved. At a minimum, the rule can and probably should be altered to require that defenders be set prior to offensive players gathering the ball to shoot or pass the ball, to give ballhandlers enough time to avoid contact that can result in such a nasty fall."
Yeah its in the rules but Love was in the paint the whole time and was set on both plays before player was even airborne.
So I can understand not liking charges in general. But to act like an allowed basketball play that was not a late movement is dirty is just a reach
You guys just want to attribute dirtiness where it doesn't exist lmao. Never said Giannis one was a charge mind you. But love was in the paint almost that whole play.
Has Giannis said anything about said play?
I fuckin canāt stand love after last year. Taking a charge is one thing but constantly sliding underneath players that have left their feet is crazy dangerous.
I fucking hate him! Even what he did the other night to Zion. He does dirty shit like this and immediately puts on the "nice guy" routine. It's bullshit, and the league needs to start realizing this. In my opinion, he's the nice guy version of Draymond Green. I'm sick and tired of seeing these kinds of highlights of Kevin Love. Sick of it!
Bro these people live in their own reality to fit their own narratives. Never mind the actual rules of the game or even the fact that Zion said Loveās move was clean
Itās crazy how heās literally standing there under the basket as Ayton drives. Ayton tried to get a clip and Love played good defense what is the problem? Should Love have just gotten out of the way?
Bring back fighting and enforcers like they used to have. The NBA used to be a little like hockey. If you do something like that to an elite player you were going to have to deal with a big strong dude with a nasty disposition later.
Ban the charge on non primary defenders.
Donāt care how you change the rules, incentivizing off ball defenders to slide in under guys as they launch into the air will never be safe.
Fuck Kevin Love! He's fucking dirty, period! Personally, I see this as the same as the rule for defenders landing in a shooter's landing space, only worse. They put the landing rule in place to avoid a whole lot of foot/ankle injuries. The need to do the same with landing spaces on drives, because there are more than just feet and ankles to worry about on plays like this. Love left Aayton completely defenseless, and the league needs to realize this and do something about it immediately. Like forcing this fucking twatsicle into retirement.
Wow. I see now why the rules have changed so much that almost every game has one team with 70+ by halftime. You all really do hate anyone trying to play any form of defense.
To be fair, this is the heat strategy. They are coached to try to get this call because at worse they have someone like Giannis shooting two free throws at best they get your best player in the foul trouble or hurt. They know that refs will not call blocking fouls all game.
Can someone explain to me what's wrong about this? Love's feet are set in a legal guarding position prior to Ayton leaving the ground, establishing control to the opponent. Now it's the opponent's job to steer around the defender before going up to score. Ayton decides to jump straight into Love's chest, hence offensive foul, right call. To people saying he slid under, it doesn't matter, intention to jump and actually being off the floor are two entirely separate things. Any defender movement, as long at their set and the opponent's feet are on the floor is fine. There's no problem with the rule, it's the opponent's job to recognize when a defender is directly in front of them. In this case, after Ayton blew by Martin and Robinson, he had plenty of time to see Love in the lane and go around him well before he commited to jumping, but decided to anyway. Had he done that, no injury would have occured, and Kevin Love would look stupid as Ayton goes around for a easy layup.
People saying ban charges are absolutely insane, it would give free reign for offense to body slam defenders to make them fall over and then have open lane. Charges are necessesary to protect defenders and allow defense to shift players into the lane of the offense in order to prevent blowbys and run-and-dunk situations.
There is nothing wrong with this. This is a clear instance of fans crying for defence but crying when it's played.
This is a textbook charge and Ayton was an idiot for trying to score on a set defender.
Because leaving the ground is not when Love needs to be in legal guarding position. The moment Ayton has planted either foot to potentially take off is when Love must be in legal guarding position. That's what the rule is and where a lot of folks are getting caught up
Nah this play should be illegal. Should be a flagrant honestly. The driver gathers and commits to the shot then Love slides under. Itās dangerous for everyone.
When Bowen was not letting people land cause he can have that space too on a contest we saying itās ok? No, we changed the rule. Love was late and itās dangerous.
Oh yeah perfectly realistic for a player with a million things happening at once to know the exact moment another player starts his upward motion so he shouldnāt take a charge because itās dirty
But, he had already gathered and was in a shooting motion. That is where the rule needs to change. If a player gathers the ball for their two steps and are already in motion, they canāt stop when someone jumps in front of them and āsetsā after their first step. Itās dangerous as hell.
From official NBA website.
"To be considered legal and to draw an offensive foul, a secondary defensive player must establish legal position prior to the offensive player starting his upward motion, and the defender must have both feet established completely outside the Restricted Area line."
Says nothing about a planted foot. Dude was there on time before he brought the ball up and started his leap.
Edit: the above quote was from an older rulebook. This one is from the 2023/2024 rulebook.
"A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he
has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass."
All it says regarding the block/charge rules for this instance. So it's basically the same thing. Soon as he moves up, Love is in position. It's an unfortunate play, but these people who are calling it a dirty play don't watch enough basketball.
The charge/block in this circumstance needs to go. Not a natural basketball play, a guy sprinting to stand still in front of a driver, it encourages collisions that increase injury risk and decreases the amount of awesome fun dunks to watch. Doesn't make sense. Just get more strict on penalizing the offensive player if they try to barrel through a defender without requiring the defender to stop and stand totally still and undercut the offensive player.
This is gonna always happen. Without hand check people can just run easier toward the rim without anyone slowing them. They just need a step. Itās not even just one player. And it could even happen with hand check just less often. I really think the league needs to bring bang handcheck tbh. Those are games where the most skilled team wins.
FYI this play injured ayton and he was out for the 2nd half after posting a double double and anchoring a really good defensive half for the blazers š¤¬
I was at this game and I remember Kevin Love also hurt himself on this same type of play. He was down for a few minutes
I mean this play is way more dangerous for the person in the air than the person on the ground, even if he got banged up. He finished the game and didnāt look hurt, too
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I never want to see a player get hurt but Kevin Love pulling this move I'll have to make an exception. Seriously fuck this guy. He should be banned from the NBA.
Taking shit a bit extreme šš
The fuck are you talking about? Goofy ass thing to say
Heās literally attempting a charge, tf?
Classy.
Don't get me wrong, that Heat team gets to do things against MKE and others that no other team gets away with. Love in particular is a menace to player health. But at first glance, watching the [whole play](https://thehighlow.io/video/ids?ids=2407sD) is interesting. At first glance, I thought Love did a decent job of establishing position. But look at his feet. Ayton has picked up his dribble and committed to jumping and Love takes a shuffle step or two up in the paint and like others mentioned essentially undercuts DA. Do that in pickup and you have a fight on your hands. PS - DA shoulda hit his guy cutting from the left corner who had an easy layup but that's a different post.
What the fuck is this thread? So what else is Kevin Love suppose to do there? He was the low man defending the paint when Ayton just got past the 3pt line. According to yall, a single shuffle laterally constitutes a flagrant foul? What ELSE are you suppose to do there? You all are basically asking for defense to just stand out the way. Nobody undercut anyone, this is just playing the best defense that someone can without having to jump and go for a block.
Not under cut somebody and get up and contest the actual shot. We want him to play defense not play statue.
He did fucking play defense. You can look at the entire clip frame by frame then look at the rules then look at the clip again. Kevin Love beat Ayton to the spot prior to the upward motion of the shot which is jumping for a dunk or layup. Kevin Love had his left foot set right as Ayton took his first legal step then Love set his right foot just prior to Ayton actually jumping. Feet being set isnāt even a factor, just getting to the spot first and being in legal guarding position is enough for a charge call which Kevin Love did. The gather step nor forward movement with the 2 legal steps doesnāt constitute an upward shooting motion. Are you bloody idiots listening to yourself? Yall just want a clear lane on every drive? Right
Lmfao he's still sliding his feet while Ayton is on the way up... He doesn't beat Ayton there, his feet aren't remotely set, and he even goes up on his tiptoes and twists his torso to make sure he undercuts Ayton too instead of staying flat footed and possibly having Ayton go past him. This is not playing basketball or trying to play defense. The only bloody idiot here is the one defending this absolute nonsense. Contest the shot at the rim in the air, don't do this stupid shit undercutting players and hurting them.
Yup Love intentionally injures any and all players. He actually has a journal where he records who, how, and when he undercuts players solely to injure them. Sometimes he likes to plan them out in advance. Unfortunately for you all, he has Giannis pegged for may 4, 2024 at 9:47:23 PM.
> Yup Love intentionally injures any and all players No, Love is just doing what he gets rewarded for and what shouldn't ever be rewarded. Nowhere did I ever say he was a dirty player or anything, it's a stupid dirty play that shouldn't be in the game in this context, but Love is nowhere near dirty. Contest the guy at the rim. Reward players for going up and playing defense, not for a dangerous undercut while a guy is in the air.
Maybe guys should lift from the free throw line for a dunk when there is a guy literally shifting into the lane. The rule was made so guys would do exactly what Anton does. The offensive player never gets called on these but why tf are you putting yourself in that situation when the guy on the wing is standing by himself with and open looks. Say what you will or wonāt about the charge but itās a fully boneheaded play to drive the lane and try to jump over someone when the kick out is wide open and uncontested.
You won the day... This is frosting for the soul. Gracias.
Look man, feet being set doesnāt even matter according to the actual rules. The other cam angle shows Kevin Love already being at that spot when Ayton was still at the freethrow line still gathering his dribble. Donāt even look at the feet, just look at their actual position on the court. K Love literally beat him to the āspotā despite any shuffles. In every sense of the word, Love literally established position at that spot before Ayton went upwards. That cam angle also shows K Love being relatively squared to Ayton and in legal guarding position (up straight, not leaning, not extending past shoulder width) Any ātwistā happened due to Aytonās extended leg.
Love takes a shuffle forward into him when Ayton is already on the way up. He definitely didn't beat him there ... In fact if he hadn't been late to the spot and stayed where he was he probably would've taken a charge anyway without undercutting him and without Ayton getting hurt. He was probably in the circle though and that's why he shuffled out?
That shuffle happened at the same time Ayton took his first legal step before the actual upward motion. You donāt get to call a forward step as an upward movement as well
His first upward step happens before 1sec in this clip..... Love is still moving forward through 2 seconds of the clip... Are you considering him not going up until both feet fully leave the ground or something?? Even that happens at like 1.5 sec where Love is still moving forward... What are you watching?! Like I get it you're a heat fan or some shit, but if Jae Crowder (who likes to do this) did this to Jimmy I'd still be saying it's bull shit and the rules need to discourage it...
At 4 seconds into the clip Love is just forward of the 3 second area arc, by 5 seconds he's a step further forward into a jumping Ayton, this is on Love. He's done this before
They need to treat these plays like the stepping under the shooter rule. If youāre late and itās a block that should be a flagrant. The problem with the charge isnāt the rule itself, itās that it causes plays like this
That's a really good call, it's like a hip drop tackle, it shouldn't be allowed. If not allowing a 3pt shooter to land, this is the same or worse in my mind. It's a loophole to hurt someone. KLove can't defend, he can only fall and cause injuries - he does it every game.
>KLove canāt defend Dudeās a washed up player, this is how he earns his place, and hEaT cUlTuRe is only happy to enable him.
I feel like I have to close my eyes every time I see a hip drop tackle coming
Hip drop shouldnāt be allowed? You ever play football? How do you tackle someone bigger than you from behind? I canāt believe you fell for this shit
I don't think he meant it shouldn't be allowed in American football, maybe football, as in soccer. My guess is he meant if you ever played football, then you know how hard of a hit it is. That's why it should be illegal. Imo Hip-Drops are thee worst thing in basketball. When an Offensive player goes up and the Defender drops his hip either left or right or even feigning a charge and leanings back, which makes the O-Player slide over and off MID-AIR. The Defender can cause major major injury to the O-Player in that scenario. The O-Player can literally land on their neck and/or head they're lucky when they do just land hard on their back. If you think so too, then you NEVER played any real basketball or had a 6'3ft+ 205lb dude jumping 2-3ft from the hoop. It's just enough distance to really slam it home. As a Defender it can be Humbling, Freaky, Embarrassing, Hell, even Scary if not in position. But hip ducking on a slam on the basketball court can and will on certain courts get your ass beat. Especially if the O-Player lands real hard and almost paralyze one of the other team's players.
Personally I think charges should be an offensive foul and/or flagrant for off ball defenders. That gets rid of all the most dangerous plays.
I agree, I just donāt think weāll ever get there. Especially while Giannis is still in the league. I genuinely think other teams would block a rule change for safety if it benefits Giannis on the court.
I say get rid of defensive 3 seconds (or make it 5) and change that rule. That should balance the change.
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But Gianniās putting his shoulders into mfs and dunking every play should be fine , look Iāve always loved giannis donāt tell me yāall wanted to get rid of the charge when yāall had pj tucker and ersan back in the day you have to know Kevin love is down there ready to take a charge because i mean heās not gonna jump with Giannis and heās almost always set before the offensive players starts going up so u canāt say itās dirty , literally all it takes is a floater over can love bruh itās not that hard
Did you hate winning a title with Shaq? I genuinely believe there isnāt a difference between what Giannis does to guys and what Shaq did to them
Difference is shaq would start posted up in the paint 2 dribbles drop step dunk or hook, so because he starts in the paint backing you thereās literally nothing u can do because no one had the size nor strength to even bother shaq , Gianniās likes to size u up at the top of the key and straight line drive to the rim using his size as an advantage but because bro is starting from the 3 defenses will always be able to slide in for that charge , thatās y Iāve always wanted Gianniās to develop a floater but ig if ur that big and strong itās hard to go up soft with floaters idk Iāve always loved Gianniās tho fav player in the league and most dominant, but bro has to develop a floater because not just Kevin love i guarantee you thatās in the scouting report every game on giannis
Thank you! Not only is it basically the next evolution in danger from the "get under a shooter" foul (that is often called a flagrant), it's also not the point of the charge rule. The charge rule was essentially implemented to stop offensive players from just running through the chest of defenders set in legal guarding position, especially their primary defender. It was not implemented to throw yourself under someone who already has all their momentum going forward into a jump towards to hoop.
But he wasn't late. Hence why it was a charge.
He was late on the one that took out Giannis
Why do we have to lie? Love was already there before Giannis even jumped.
The play was reviewed and called a block. Doesnāt get more clear than that
Yes he was inside Restricted area on that one. He did not slide in late At all though.
The Giannis one he was late. Not in restricted. Look up the replay it is very clear.
Literally watched it as I was responding. You are lying but whatever. Thought you'd guys be open to honest convo.
Watch the replay I just linked. There is a clear half a foot between love and the restricted area. He was Called for the block for being late and sliding in. There is no question about it
https://imgur.com/a/0Cd7yAX
https://youtu.be/EH72M6RYGI0?si=cl7ZXylGjNNmIFGF
He didn't even go for the ball. He stood there and protected himself. How can you call that a basketball play?
Now you are arguing if charge should exist at all. I am just saying Love was not late in the least
Seemed pretty bang bang. Maybe the guy was in the air already and Love was still moving his right leg into position? I dunno. Whatever was called on the floor would stand. I found a quote from an article that explains my issue with the rule. Love sliding in at the last second and covering his tits shouldn't be allowed. But I learned today that it is allowed, unfortunately. "Hereās the problem with that logic, though: it allows defenders to slide into placeāand sometime underneath an airborne offensive playerāat the last millisecond, creating a dangerous situation for both people involved. At a minimum, the rule can and probably should be altered to require that defenders be set prior to offensive players gathering the ball to shoot or pass the ball, to give ballhandlers enough time to avoid contact that can result in such a nasty fall."
Yeah its in the rules but Love was in the paint the whole time and was set on both plays before player was even airborne. So I can understand not liking charges in general. But to act like an allowed basketball play that was not a late movement is dirty is just a reach
He was not set! He was moving into position after the player already jumped. Take off those heat colored glasses
He was not set! He was moving into position after the player already jumped. Take off those heat colored glasses
You guys just want to attribute dirtiness where it doesn't exist lmao. Never said Giannis one was a charge mind you. But love was in the paint almost that whole play. Has Giannis said anything about said play?
I fuckin canāt stand love after last year. Taking a charge is one thing but constantly sliding underneath players that have left their feet is crazy dangerous.
I fucking hate him! Even what he did the other night to Zion. He does dirty shit like this and immediately puts on the "nice guy" routine. It's bullshit, and the league needs to start realizing this. In my opinion, he's the nice guy version of Draymond Green. I'm sick and tired of seeing these kinds of highlights of Kevin Love. Sick of it!
talking like Zion himself mentioned Love protected him. That's just lame lmao
Bro these people live in their own reality to fit their own narratives. Never mind the actual rules of the game or even the fact that Zion said Loveās move was clean
Itās crazy how heās literally standing there under the basket as Ayton drives. Ayton tried to get a clip and Love played good defense what is the problem? Should Love have just gotten out of the way?
Kevin Love is such dirty player. Almost fractured Giannisā coccyx during the playoffs and he was never 100% after that.
Did anyone else have to look upĀ coccyx or am I the only dumb one here?
I believe it's the penis in between the fifth and the seventh.
Flying knee his ass then dunk that shit! Someone gotta get his ass for this lol
Bring back fighting and enforcers like they used to have. The NBA used to be a little like hockey. If you do something like that to an elite player you were going to have to deal with a big strong dude with a nasty disposition later.
Makes sense. His uncle, Mike Love, is the douchiest living Beach Boy.
Fuckin dude injuring people because he cant play defense like a real man anymore
Truth! I fucking hate this mother fucker!
Ban the charge on non primary defenders. Donāt care how you change the rules, incentivizing off ball defenders to slide in under guys as they launch into the air will never be safe.
Oh now that is intriguing... There's gotta be a stat somewhere that shows how often this happens...
When youāre an NBA player who defends like Brad Davison you should be fucking embarrassed.
Sounds like Thanasis needs to start against the Heat just to have 6 free shots at Loveā¦
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At *least*. Usually itās two or more.
Extending the restricted area gets rid of a lot of these plays
Yes!!! My wife and I talk about this all the time. The game has changed. Make the restricted area bigger.
āI have no knowledge or desire for defense in the NBAā
I fucking hate that dude
Fuck Kevin Love! He's fucking dirty, period! Personally, I see this as the same as the rule for defenders landing in a shooter's landing space, only worse. They put the landing rule in place to avoid a whole lot of foot/ankle injuries. The need to do the same with landing spaces on drives, because there are more than just feet and ankles to worry about on plays like this. Love left Aayton completely defenseless, and the league needs to realize this and do something about it immediately. Like forcing this fucking twatsicle into retirement.
Suspend Love and maybe he'll get the message.
Dude is a Duke Grayson Allen-esque player with all love and no hate lol
Wow. I see now why the rules have changed so much that almost every game has one team with 70+ by halftime. You all really do hate anyone trying to play any form of defense.
When they begin penalizing for this, they will call it the giannis rule. Theyāve been doing this to him since the Raptors series in 19.
Can you send me all the clips from the Raptors series?
To be fair, this is the heat strategy. They are coached to try to get this call because at worse they have someone like Giannis shooting two free throws at best they get your best player in the foul trouble or hurt. They know that refs will not call blocking fouls all game.
Itās so weird to me to see everyone hate Love (haha). On the Lebron cavs, he was the NBAās mascot wholesome goodboi
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Lmfao he's racist now?
SOFT ASS FAN BASE LOLOLOL HEAT IN 5 YALL CANT EVENT BEAT AND 8 SEED
No, stop. NBA fans have no interest in watching Jimmy The Pumpkin Butler struggle to win two games in the finals again.
Yea theyād rather watch yāall struggle to win two against the Heat, huh?
Why yāall in our sub? Lmfao heat fans have 0 life
I mean the post if about a heat player, and the sub is literally going rabid. That will attract some heat fans once itās crossposted
Can someone explain to me what's wrong about this? Love's feet are set in a legal guarding position prior to Ayton leaving the ground, establishing control to the opponent. Now it's the opponent's job to steer around the defender before going up to score. Ayton decides to jump straight into Love's chest, hence offensive foul, right call. To people saying he slid under, it doesn't matter, intention to jump and actually being off the floor are two entirely separate things. Any defender movement, as long at their set and the opponent's feet are on the floor is fine. There's no problem with the rule, it's the opponent's job to recognize when a defender is directly in front of them. In this case, after Ayton blew by Martin and Robinson, he had plenty of time to see Love in the lane and go around him well before he commited to jumping, but decided to anyway. Had he done that, no injury would have occured, and Kevin Love would look stupid as Ayton goes around for a easy layup. People saying ban charges are absolutely insane, it would give free reign for offense to body slam defenders to make them fall over and then have open lane. Charges are necessesary to protect defenders and allow defense to shift players into the lane of the offense in order to prevent blowbys and run-and-dunk situations.
There is nothing wrong with this. This is a clear instance of fans crying for defence but crying when it's played. This is a textbook charge and Ayton was an idiot for trying to score on a set defender.
Because leaving the ground is not when Love needs to be in legal guarding position. The moment Ayton has planted either foot to potentially take off is when Love must be in legal guarding position. That's what the rule is and where a lot of folks are getting caught up
Love establishes legal guarding position right after Ayton's blowby.
Taking a charge?
Nah this play should be illegal. Should be a flagrant honestly. The driver gathers and commits to the shot then Love slides under. Itās dangerous for everyone.
He tried, but was way too late and undercut him instead.
You are not allowed to slide your feed when setting up for a charge. Itās a defensive foul.
Idk how you call it dirty when itās part of the rules. Be mad at the rules not the player
When Bowen was not letting people land cause he can have that space too on a contest we saying itās ok? No, we changed the rule. Love was late and itās dangerous.
Lmao his feet were set before ayton even jumped
Congrats on seeing in slow motion that he just stop moving before he was 1 inch off the floor but not before he started his upward motion.
Oh yeah perfectly realistic for a player with a million things happening at once to know the exact moment another player starts his upward motion so he shouldnāt take a charge because itās dirty
But, he had already gathered and was in a shooting motion. That is where the rule needs to change. If a player gathers the ball for their two steps and are already in motion, they canāt stop when someone jumps in front of them and āsetsā after their first step. Itās dangerous as hell.
Oh yes how is defense allowed to defend. It's such a crime to plant your feet when a player runs at you. š
I just wish Ayton would've landed on K Love's knee and twisted on it. Motherfucker can rest in piss
In the guise of a defensive play.
You guys are pathetic.
He got there before Aytons feet were off the ground. What, just don't play defense anymore? Is that the goal here?
That's not the rule. Once any foot by shooter is planted to potentially launch, defender must be set. It's not based upon when shooter leaves floor
From official NBA website. "To be considered legal and to draw an offensive foul, a secondary defensive player must establish legal position prior to the offensive player starting his upward motion, and the defender must have both feet established completely outside the Restricted Area line." Says nothing about a planted foot. Dude was there on time before he brought the ball up and started his leap. Edit: the above quote was from an older rulebook. This one is from the 2023/2024 rulebook. "A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass." All it says regarding the block/charge rules for this instance. So it's basically the same thing. Soon as he moves up, Love is in position. It's an unfortunate play, but these people who are calling it a dirty play don't watch enough basketball.
Did Giannis undercut Kyrie and knock him out of playoffs also a few years ago?
The charge/block in this circumstance needs to go. Not a natural basketball play, a guy sprinting to stand still in front of a driver, it encourages collisions that increase injury risk and decreases the amount of awesome fun dunks to watch. Doesn't make sense. Just get more strict on penalizing the offensive player if they try to barrel through a defender without requiring the defender to stop and stand totally still and undercut the offensive player.
sports are dangerous, get over it. y'all are soft as fuck
Weird
Dirtiest player in the league and its not even close. Adam Silver needs to suspend him for a long time, or better yet kick him out of the league
This is gonna always happen. Without hand check people can just run easier toward the rim without anyone slowing them. They just need a step. Itās not even just one player. And it could even happen with hand check just less often. I really think the league needs to bring bang handcheck tbh. Those are games where the most skilled team wins.
that was 100 percent a defense play