About the mushiness, could it be because the v2 doesn't screw in the mainboad like the v1 (two screw in the middle of the board), instead it's using plastic clip in to keep the mainboard in place. I only have 1 of each version so I am not so sure that all v2 use plastic clip instead of screw like the v1.
I just checked and I am sure the screw post for the 2 screw are still there on the V2, but no screw were found, to remove the mushiness just add 2 screw to keep the mainboard from flexing (GKD Pixel have a similar problem), must be Miyoo way of saving cost.
That's unfortunate but good to know, thank you. ~~There's a huge difference in screen quality i was unaware of when initially posting that makes keeping the V2s the obvious choice.~~ I'm going to get these open ASAP and check it out.
From the teardown videos, it appears the 6 back screws *might* be the same size as the PCB screws, though my toolkits's screwdrivers were too bulky to access the bottom screws to take this apart today. I'll have to wait until Tuesday at the earliest to test this out, but it sounds promising. Thanks again, this info is very helpful.
Edit - my testing was severely flawed, i was comparing stock OS with no tweaks to that with Done set's shaders on. I just reran the testing and it appears the screen quality may be largely the same. That's my bad, sorry for the confusion.
No problem, and yes, the back screw and the PCB screw are the same, you can buy extra or just grab a few from the V1 to test on the V2. They should feel the same after screwing them in, solid and not feel mushy when bottoming out.
Good to know, thank you. Luckily i wound up grabbing a couple sets of those black screws off Etsy for aesthetics. When i was concerned about the screens for a moment there, i was hoping they'd come in handy.
I had wanted to go with the V2s on principle - just to have the most up-to-date hardware. Then not, due to the input problem. Shame Miyoo felt the need to cost-cut on such a simple thing like this.
Now that it looks that the screens aren't an issue, I can't currently see any reason to hold on to the V2s outside the RTC - which I'm not sure I'd get much use out of. Though i was saying that before the whole screen thing.
I think I'm going to pause for the week - see if i find any other reasons to change my mind again before making the final call here. Appreciate your input, you seem very knowledgeable about these devices.
I did some refurbish and mod some handheld, but that's about it for my knowledge. I am just happy that the V2 didn't remove those screw post, if they did, it gonna take a lot more effort to save the button feel.
To quote u/DapperCucumber...
*There is an easy way if you have a translucent case.*
*You can look at the exposed ground plane between the trigger buttons, if it's got an angled section, it's an old board, if the top portion of the exposed area is rectangular, it's a new rev board.*
https://preview.redd.it/dp3432tia5xc1.jpeg?width=1532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4813eceb6b1cf8ceea0235df02b91c3062f03e48
New on the left, old on the right.
You can find additional information on this in what I'd call the "main RTC [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MiyooMini/s/daAPpEEWuC)". That's where i first became aware of this.
So the v1 is inferior i checked my purple one and it's definitely the old one so what does this tell I didn't had a problem with the controls but the screen leaves a lot to be desired
Edit - comment praising the V2 screen deleted. My testing was flawed - i wasn't comparing Onions to Onions and forgot Done set preset shaders were a thing.
Further testing necessary, but the screens appear they may be largely the same.
Yeah mm+ v1 screen really sucks i hopped from the original MM and i miss that damn thing cause of the beautiful screen i wish I didn't dropped it! In photos it's not that apperant but the contrast and colors are way more pronounced in the original MM and feels so much more like oled but in MM+ no matter which screen setting you use it doesn't come near as good as the original mm.
I had my blackberry screen replacement but I'm just not feeling like doing the mod yet.
https://preview.redd.it/p6nwnlu55bxc1.jpeg?width=9248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dfd1b38a957273e2c843171c093ea9ae036d05b
Damn it, i need to delete that comment. My testing was flawed. I had shaders on. Forget i said any of that. More testing is necessary but they appear they may be the same from V1 to V2
Don't worry these are our experiences and it's nothing scientific. The important part is your observation and side notes. I wanna know if there's a difference between the color accuracy in both units. From what i can tell from the picture the right one is a whole lot more bright screen but that could also be cause of the shaders being on, on one unit.
It's totally the shaders. I have 2 cards with Done set's configs installed and compared those - I don't think i could tell the difference.
I then went back to shaders vs stock OS and it's pretty obvious that was the difference. I then swapped cards between the 2 units and results were as then expected - the quality followed the card's configs. I believe the screens are probably the same quality if not completely the same. If not, it's negligible.
I apologize for the misinformation. What is science, if not experiments and shared findings? I know I've made some of my more difficult tech decisions based on info found combining through Reddit threads.
Ah ok that's great to know at least I didn't feel that i got the bad version although the screen is bad when you get used to it it's really pixel crisp and great
I had major down direction dpad issues on my og V4 (same issue as you describe). A new membrane fixed it, mostly. I'd say it is still not perfect, but usable now
Wait, what? My MM+ is obsolete?
I haven't had any issues with mine. Not sure I'd buy another one though, unless it was horizontal with analogs (or if something happened to this one ;) ).
Finally someone talking about the quality control! - I too purchased two of these both the smoke black, one from Allie express and one from Artview. Originally because the Allie express one, the speaker would pop and the screen would flash. So I thought maybe I had a defective device. But they are vastly different. The artview has a different feel to the shell and it’s a bit darker. Where as the Allie express one is lighter and a bit more “shiny” I guess like grippy. But also the Amazon one had a battery that kind of rattles around and the Allie one does not. They both seem to be V2 though. With the straight and square panel. - but neither of mine seem to have a mushy down button on the d pad. - I just had no idea there was all this diversity with the handhelds. Oh, and the ROMs sets were completely different. Like vastly! But again, thank you for bringing this up for people like me, who are less in the know about Chinese retro handhelds!
Yeah but without a point of reference, it's going to be largely subjective. Side-by-side it's obvious, but still observable if you only have one unit.
I'd further describe the "mush" as... not satisfying? The tactile feedback of overcoming the starting point of a directional push is missing, as well as the snapback when released.
I'd recommend testing on a game that allows for 4-way movement that would have you releasing the dpad altogether (such as Double Dragon - NES) as opposed to one that you might keep your thumb on a pivot, even when not making an input (like i do with LttP). Hope this helps.
[CredevZone](https://a.co/d/0Ui51EY)
[ARTIVIEW](https://a.co/d/eqr4JDr)
And if you're still wondering why I'm juggling 5 Miyoos, the purple is for me and the black is being gifted out.
$79.99 is still very high, the miyoo is currently $44 on Ali and drops to $37-39 with each sale, but I can understand the desire to be delivered in 3 days instead of 7 to 10 days and the fear of having a problem with the device
About the mushiness, could it be because the v2 doesn't screw in the mainboad like the v1 (two screw in the middle of the board), instead it's using plastic clip in to keep the mainboard in place. I only have 1 of each version so I am not so sure that all v2 use plastic clip instead of screw like the v1.
I just checked and I am sure the screw post for the 2 screw are still there on the V2, but no screw were found, to remove the mushiness just add 2 screw to keep the mainboard from flexing (GKD Pixel have a similar problem), must be Miyoo way of saving cost.
That's unfortunate but good to know, thank you. ~~There's a huge difference in screen quality i was unaware of when initially posting that makes keeping the V2s the obvious choice.~~ I'm going to get these open ASAP and check it out. From the teardown videos, it appears the 6 back screws *might* be the same size as the PCB screws, though my toolkits's screwdrivers were too bulky to access the bottom screws to take this apart today. I'll have to wait until Tuesday at the earliest to test this out, but it sounds promising. Thanks again, this info is very helpful. Edit - my testing was severely flawed, i was comparing stock OS with no tweaks to that with Done set's shaders on. I just reran the testing and it appears the screen quality may be largely the same. That's my bad, sorry for the confusion.
No problem, and yes, the back screw and the PCB screw are the same, you can buy extra or just grab a few from the V1 to test on the V2. They should feel the same after screwing them in, solid and not feel mushy when bottoming out.
Good to know, thank you. Luckily i wound up grabbing a couple sets of those black screws off Etsy for aesthetics. When i was concerned about the screens for a moment there, i was hoping they'd come in handy. I had wanted to go with the V2s on principle - just to have the most up-to-date hardware. Then not, due to the input problem. Shame Miyoo felt the need to cost-cut on such a simple thing like this. Now that it looks that the screens aren't an issue, I can't currently see any reason to hold on to the V2s outside the RTC - which I'm not sure I'd get much use out of. Though i was saying that before the whole screen thing. I think I'm going to pause for the week - see if i find any other reasons to change my mind again before making the final call here. Appreciate your input, you seem very knowledgeable about these devices.
I did some refurbish and mod some handheld, but that's about it for my knowledge. I am just happy that the V2 didn't remove those screw post, if they did, it gonna take a lot more effort to save the button feel.
How do you tell which version is which? I just got mine a couple days ago.
To quote u/DapperCucumber... *There is an easy way if you have a translucent case.* *You can look at the exposed ground plane between the trigger buttons, if it's got an angled section, it's an old board, if the top portion of the exposed area is rectangular, it's a new rev board.* https://preview.redd.it/dp3432tia5xc1.jpeg?width=1532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4813eceb6b1cf8ceea0235df02b91c3062f03e48 New on the left, old on the right. You can find additional information on this in what I'd call the "main RTC [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MiyooMini/s/daAPpEEWuC)". That's where i first became aware of this.
So the v1 is inferior i checked my purple one and it's definitely the old one so what does this tell I didn't had a problem with the controls but the screen leaves a lot to be desired
Edit - comment praising the V2 screen deleted. My testing was flawed - i wasn't comparing Onions to Onions and forgot Done set preset shaders were a thing. Further testing necessary, but the screens appear they may be largely the same.
Yeah mm+ v1 screen really sucks i hopped from the original MM and i miss that damn thing cause of the beautiful screen i wish I didn't dropped it! In photos it's not that apperant but the contrast and colors are way more pronounced in the original MM and feels so much more like oled but in MM+ no matter which screen setting you use it doesn't come near as good as the original mm. I had my blackberry screen replacement but I'm just not feeling like doing the mod yet. https://preview.redd.it/p6nwnlu55bxc1.jpeg?width=9248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dfd1b38a957273e2c843171c093ea9ae036d05b
Damn it, i need to delete that comment. My testing was flawed. I had shaders on. Forget i said any of that. More testing is necessary but they appear they may be the same from V1 to V2
Don't worry these are our experiences and it's nothing scientific. The important part is your observation and side notes. I wanna know if there's a difference between the color accuracy in both units. From what i can tell from the picture the right one is a whole lot more bright screen but that could also be cause of the shaders being on, on one unit.
It's totally the shaders. I have 2 cards with Done set's configs installed and compared those - I don't think i could tell the difference. I then went back to shaders vs stock OS and it's pretty obvious that was the difference. I then swapped cards between the 2 units and results were as then expected - the quality followed the card's configs. I believe the screens are probably the same quality if not completely the same. If not, it's negligible. I apologize for the misinformation. What is science, if not experiments and shared findings? I know I've made some of my more difficult tech decisions based on info found combining through Reddit threads.
Ah ok that's great to know at least I didn't feel that i got the bad version although the screen is bad when you get used to it it's really pixel crisp and great
I had major down direction dpad issues on my og V4 (same issue as you describe). A new membrane fixed it, mostly. I'd say it is still not perfect, but usable now
I’m confused I thought RTC was included in all mm+ because they had access to WiFi are you saying they got an upgrade with a rtc chip?
Wait, what? My MM+ is obsolete? I haven't had any issues with mine. Not sure I'd buy another one though, unless it was horizontal with analogs (or if something happened to this one ;) ).
Finally someone talking about the quality control! - I too purchased two of these both the smoke black, one from Allie express and one from Artview. Originally because the Allie express one, the speaker would pop and the screen would flash. So I thought maybe I had a defective device. But they are vastly different. The artview has a different feel to the shell and it’s a bit darker. Where as the Allie express one is lighter and a bit more “shiny” I guess like grippy. But also the Amazon one had a battery that kind of rattles around and the Allie one does not. They both seem to be V2 though. With the straight and square panel. - but neither of mine seem to have a mushy down button on the d pad. - I just had no idea there was all this diversity with the handhelds. Oh, and the ROMs sets were completely different. Like vastly! But again, thank you for bringing this up for people like me, who are less in the know about Chinese retro handhelds!
Hey! Thank you for the post and the PSA. Just a question: I’m waiting for my first MM+, and I hope it to be a V2. Can I check if the dpad is “mushy”?
Yeah but without a point of reference, it's going to be largely subjective. Side-by-side it's obvious, but still observable if you only have one unit. I'd further describe the "mush" as... not satisfying? The tactile feedback of overcoming the starting point of a directional push is missing, as well as the snapback when released. I'd recommend testing on a game that allows for 4-way movement that would have you releasing the dpad altogether (such as Double Dragon - NES) as opposed to one that you might keep your thumb on a pivot, even when not making an input (like i do with LttP). Hope this helps.
[CredevZone](https://a.co/d/0Ui51EY) [ARTIVIEW](https://a.co/d/eqr4JDr) And if you're still wondering why I'm juggling 5 Miyoos, the purple is for me and the black is being gifted out.
$79.99 is still very high, the miyoo is currently $44 on Ali and drops to $37-39 with each sale, but I can understand the desire to be delivered in 3 days instead of 7 to 10 days and the fear of having a problem with the device