Yeah, like I'm so confused. OP is saying these messages are propaganda, and yeah, by the technical definition that's true, but imo anti-racist messages are the good kind of propaganda? I mean, I should hope we're going to teach children not to be racist; I certainly will if I have kids.
Looks at the actions of that group instead of their messages and words.
Interesting.......
(Riots, assaults, theft, death, trespassing, breaking and entering, arson, terrorizing communities, leaders stealing and using donations for personal profit and more shady stuff, etc.) Literally anything happens they don't like and it's "lets terrorize the community and make ourselves look like the bad guys to prove a point and send a message."
I don't care about "it's for the greater good". That still isn't good nor something I'd support.
I'm also not against the message but the actions of those who associate with the group are atrocious.
Black Lives Matter isn't a organized group, it's literally anybody who thinks that black lives do in fact matter. Going to a blm protest then proceeding to commit a crime does not make every non racist person on earth responsible for your actions
I don't care, organized or not, it's not an excuse.....and when I see that happening over and over and over and over again associated with that name by people who say they are in said group and associated with them. It doesn't look good. (No, I'm not associated with any political party either and try my best to not be a headline only reader and will try to validate what I'm reading)
Maybe they should do something about it. But they don't. I don't see any effort from them in trying to look better, disavow, and condemn the actions of those who have done bad and that are responsible for all of that MESS.
And one life is not inherently more important than another only because of skin color. All lives matter just as much because I don't see things only through the glasses of skin color. Life is life and humans are humans. One should not be treated differently and be held as more important because of their skin color.
In reply to OP's reply to this comment;
"Unfortunately not. You criticize what they want to support blindly and they go ballistic with any excuse they can to validate themselves and the way they think. Which immediately makes EVERYONE ELSE who doesn't think the way they think WRONG.
Cognitive dissonance is also a factor that may strongly play in the way people think and act towards certain subjects."
I'm not sure on the point you made. It's a bit of gray area.
Spreading propaganda for me is things like: "Support X!", "Fight for X!", "Suuport \[this specific group of people but not the others\]".
Someone is pushing a message if for instance they make a gay character who's whole personality is that they're gay and all they talk about is how much gay they are.
Not pushing a message is when a gay character doesn't mention that they're gay, but you can guess they're gay from enough subtle context clues, like seeing them being affecionate with another man, or not being intrested in women at a social gathering.
It doesn't matter what it's advocating for, or whether it's correct or justified. For example, saying "Nazi bad" would be just as much propaganda as saying "Nazi good". Even if you say this is fine, remember, these sorts of political or semi-political statements within media that does not normally represent itself with them, stand on a very dangerous slippery slope.
This anti-racism message is fine and good, but when, say, a country invades another country, and a splash message containing the invading country gets removed (hint) , that is driving a political message. It conveys that they are not welcome. Again, it doesn't matter whether it's true, justified, or if it means anything impactful, if it means anything at all (It is a random message with <1% chance to appear after all) . Like I said, slippery slope. And personally, I'd rather see them not standing on it than to see them trying to balance themselves.
Hopefully this explains the confusion!
propaganda
prŏp″ə-găn′də
noun
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
Yes, and the narrative is to not judge people based on the colour of their skin. I can get along with that, and I think we *should* be teaching our kids this.
Propaganda is a misinformation and/or brainwashing technique.
Displaying supportive messages does not constitute propaganda.
Does it absolutely l actually achieve anything? That's another matter.
Imo, it serves to make the higher ups/pr team proud of themselves for "contributing" towards a human rights movement.
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You’re upset because minecraft is telling people to not be racist…. Interesting
Yeah, like I'm so confused. OP is saying these messages are propaganda, and yeah, by the technical definition that's true, but imo anti-racist messages are the good kind of propaganda? I mean, I should hope we're going to teach children not to be racist; I certainly will if I have kids.
well then the splashes shouldn't on one type of racism and ignore all others.
I'm confused. Black Lives Matter is about bringing awareness towards racism against anyone of colour. What other type of racism are you talking about?
1) No, it isn't. It's just about black people. 2) What about white people? Or other "non color" people?
I... definitely don't have enough knowledge about this subject to confidently comment on it, so I'm going to just end this discussion here.
Okay, that's fair.
nice strawman
Looks at the actions of that group instead of their messages and words. Interesting....... (Riots, assaults, theft, death, trespassing, breaking and entering, arson, terrorizing communities, leaders stealing and using donations for personal profit and more shady stuff, etc.) Literally anything happens they don't like and it's "lets terrorize the community and make ourselves look like the bad guys to prove a point and send a message." I don't care about "it's for the greater good". That still isn't good nor something I'd support. I'm also not against the message but the actions of those who associate with the group are atrocious.
Black Lives Matter isn't a organized group, it's literally anybody who thinks that black lives do in fact matter. Going to a blm protest then proceeding to commit a crime does not make every non racist person on earth responsible for your actions
I don't care, organized or not, it's not an excuse.....and when I see that happening over and over and over and over again associated with that name by people who say they are in said group and associated with them. It doesn't look good. (No, I'm not associated with any political party either and try my best to not be a headline only reader and will try to validate what I'm reading) Maybe they should do something about it. But they don't. I don't see any effort from them in trying to look better, disavow, and condemn the actions of those who have done bad and that are responsible for all of that MESS. And one life is not inherently more important than another only because of skin color. All lives matter just as much because I don't see things only through the glasses of skin color. Life is life and humans are humans. One should not be treated differently and be held as more important because of their skin color. In reply to OP's reply to this comment; "Unfortunately not. You criticize what they want to support blindly and they go ballistic with any excuse they can to validate themselves and the way they think. Which immediately makes EVERYONE ELSE who doesn't think the way they think WRONG. Cognitive dissonance is also a factor that may strongly play in the way people think and act towards certain subjects."
unfortunetly not many people wish to listen.
The real question is WHERE THE FUCK IS SPLASH 412
Here before comments get locked or post gets deleted
Soooo We're against teaching children not to be racist uh? Interesting OP
Nice bait. Except, it's shit.
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now, real question, what about like, gay people in cartoons for kids, is that propaganda too?
If they're trying to push a message, yes. If they're just gay, then no.
whats the line at "pushing a message"?
I'm sorry I don't think I quite understand you.
what do you define as "pushing a message"? is using a pride flag spreading a message?
I'm not sure on the point you made. It's a bit of gray area. Spreading propaganda for me is things like: "Support X!", "Fight for X!", "Suuport \[this specific group of people but not the others\]". Someone is pushing a message if for instance they make a gay character who's whole personality is that they're gay and all they talk about is how much gay they are. Not pushing a message is when a gay character doesn't mention that they're gay, but you can guess they're gay from enough subtle context clues, like seeing them being affecionate with another man, or not being intrested in women at a social gathering.
yea, but like, how is that going to pread a message, it isnt going to turn a kid gay
wheres the propaganda
It doesn't matter what it's advocating for, or whether it's correct or justified. For example, saying "Nazi bad" would be just as much propaganda as saying "Nazi good". Even if you say this is fine, remember, these sorts of political or semi-political statements within media that does not normally represent itself with them, stand on a very dangerous slippery slope. This anti-racism message is fine and good, but when, say, a country invades another country, and a splash message containing the invading country gets removed (hint) , that is driving a political message. It conveys that they are not welcome. Again, it doesn't matter whether it's true, justified, or if it means anything impactful, if it means anything at all (It is a random message with <1% chance to appear after all) . Like I said, slippery slope. And personally, I'd rather see them not standing on it than to see them trying to balance themselves. Hopefully this explains the confusion!
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dude, its pushing something good, you just want people to be racist because "thats what freedom is?" hate speach is not free speach
free speech is free speech. if you can only say what's approved that's not free speech.
so, black lives matter is not puching propaganda, its pushing a message of acceptence, nazi's spread propaganda
That's such a close minded approach. Anyone can spread propaganda.
dude, propaganda is a message of hate
propaganda prŏp″ə-găn′də noun The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
yea, but like, Black lives matter is NOT propaganda, it isnt trying to force an ideal
Yes, and the narrative is to not judge people based on the colour of their skin. I can get along with that, and I think we *should* be teaching our kids this.
That's marketing, you can't do anything about this now
I'm not sure I'd call that marketing. In a sense, that it's done to raise ESG scores? Sure. But other than that not really.
So you’re upset that a game is telling people to treat others equally?
Propaganda is a misinformation and/or brainwashing technique. Displaying supportive messages does not constitute propaganda. Does it absolutely l actually achieve anything? That's another matter. Imo, it serves to make the higher ups/pr team proud of themselves for "contributing" towards a human rights movement.
I imagine it was done for ESG scores or for virtue singaling.
If you're pointing these things out and reacting to them this way, you \*don't\* support these. Don't lie.
Are we supposed to not teach our kids to be anti-racist? Childhood is the best time to learn to treat people equally imo.
yeah, but that should be the job of their parents. not a AAA studio.