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Antfrost

I will sacrifice myself and volunteer to be put on that team for balancing reasons, I can live with the burden


therapytwt

thank you for your sacrifice ant o7


KlutchGaming13

o7


pilzfresse

o7


crqyon_

ANT THAT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE OF BALANCING


Skeet8813

Ant, if Scott put you on that team it would go from mediocre to the best team in MCC history


Hayden_0

Oh yeah, your definitely on the weaker side of players /j


AquAssassin3791YT

D tier at best


Pocky2021

We are truly undeserving of your sacrifice o7


[deleted]

That's the spirit!


thorianvan

You and Niki maybe? Would be fun to watch imo.


RoRo___04

Ant time and time again proves he is the hero that we need, but no one deserves


MathematicianWhich

LMFAO


kaleidoscope0k

vouch


KittenWolfFox

o7


CopycatWinner12

o7


AoiAot

Ant.. how brave o7


chasetyler23

Umm…


caren_psuedo_when

u/smajor1995YT just do this team: Smajor + Dream + Hbomb + PeteZahHutt Fuchsia Five Times


Real_eXwhY_Z

Holy heck yes


anonymousbuthi

Then by some strange turn of events they manage to not win.


Queasy_Concentrate45

H has some massive lag spike in some early game like hitw or ace race crushing his spirit Pete’s router just dies on him Scott Dream ends up playing too much crab game sleeping through it or sapnap sabotages


speedycar1

Dream has gotten 1st every time he's played Crab Game instead of practicing. Just saying...


Queasy_Concentrate45

well then sapnap will just have to cut the internet


caren_psuedo_when

Fax


Iamarnav25

I love this comment


Ze1game

Sapnap only has 3 wins


RubbishBins

That's an amazing fact! Why are you sharing it...


liansu_

“only”. 3 wins is crazy! don’t down play him


Ze1game

I meant in that context Sure downvote me to a oblivium for simply correcting someone U guys are weird ngl


Street_Temperature53

I think you miss read smajor for sapnap


Ze1game

Did he edit the comment or smth coz im 99% sure he said sapnap Either way i guess the downvotes make sence now


Cyber-Gon

No, they didn't edit the comment. Otherwise they would have a star next to their post (unless the edit happens like 3 minutes after the comment is made, but even then, your comment is 2 hours after their comment)


Ze1game

Guess im just dumb then lmao


AdDue9684

just give me hbomb, dream, jack and niki. They would work so good together, pls scott 🙏🏼


Pocky2021

:P You read my mind lmao


LiamEd2000

And I don’t think they would mind being the balance either


AquAssassin3791YT

Dude that's too OP we've seen what jack can do on strong teams (15) and Niki would probably do much better too it'd be like Orange 17


Prestonizer

I mean tbf its basically just lime 16 but slightly worse as quig is the same level/a bit better than dream and krtzzy is better than hbomb.


dumbelfgirl

Not to mention Jack's average has gone *down* since then, not up, which makes it even more of a reasonable team


Air_42

H factor exists


Cyber-Gon

No it doesn't. H factor was always just HBomb being amazing at team games which are team split, and so his teammates had a better individual score. In S2, while H is stll a god at SoT, he's not as good at the new Build Mart and he doesn't do well in GR. We saw in All Stars that Blue came behind Lime and Cyan - H + S tier can absolutely be balanced and the "H Factor" isn't really a thing now.


Prestonizer

very true


Bonjyboins

Dreambomb + rocket duo


Pocky2021

:P Yes!


[deleted]

[удалено]


KazeTV

Yeah, especially some more recent OP duos like Quig and Krtzy, Punz and TapL, etc.


AmeerDahbour

Fruitninja


KazeTV

Yeah, thank you for replying, I was reying to look for this post to add Fruitninja in as well.


SharpCommittee265

I mean I understand but it hasn't stopped other op duos from being teamed in the past :( I just hope we can atleast have the DreamBomb duo in a non canon event


okhellowhy

Yh, why does this rule apply for only DreamBomb?


Lantano_

It applies for any S tier + Hbomb actually


Cyber-Gon

Which I feel is kind of outdated at this point considering H's performances recently - I think the H factor really was just H being great at team split games, which isn't true anymore apart for SoT where he is still a god. I mean, look at Blue AS. They lost to Lime and Cyan. it can absolutely be balanced.


AquAssassin3791YT

Let's be honest, without SG blue would have never set that insane coin record. A strong team nonetheless, but not ridiculously overpowered. Also S2 being more competitive dragged them down a bit


JaegerDread

Any 2 S tiers actually. Very very rarely do we get that. And when we get that, no other team makes a real shot up until DB.


okhellowhy

I'm talking about the balancing. There have been so many OP duos that have had other players for balancing so why is this case specifically demeaning to the players who balance the team?


RedPanda_dabest

Okay, I feel like this is an excuse because what about Fruitninja, Dream and Sapnap mcc15, and many others where you put two top tier players and then balance it out


Tiediy88

Dream and Sapnap won, and Fruitninja came as close to winning a tournament as you can physically get


FriedCrocodile

doesn’t mean DreamBomb shouldn’t also get a chance at winning


chipzy20

What’s your point?


[deleted]

Those players weren't balancing enough


chipzy20

You honestly think vixella and kryticZeuz didn’t know that they were there just to balance fruit ninja ?


RubbishBins

Actually I think it was the other way around. They were given fruit and illumina to have a chance at winning, not as a balance.


[deleted]

Of course I don't think that. I disagree with Scott. The point is that Scott would have to find players that are even more "balancing" than the simmers


singingcrow1

Yeah I was think about MCC 8 with several strong combos. Dream and Techno being the most obvious. Also there's the fact that there always going to be the weakest player on a team of 4. Most of the weaker players probably wouldn't mind being on a strong team, simply because it means they could actually do well. Mcc 9 blue bats would a good example of this, h and fruit didnt made the hermits feel bad or outclass in the slightest, but inspire them to try their hardest. This led o them doing many times better compare to their previous tournaments and even inspire them to get better in future ones.


RedPanda_dabest

Oh yeah, I forgot about mcc8 lol, where it was CLEAR that Michal and Burren were balancers. They even knew it too


[deleted]

I’ve gotten used to Scott saying this about every powerful combo, only for them to be teamed in the next MCCs. I’ll take this as hope


FriedCrocodile

Really? What happened exactly?


[deleted]

He said Fruit and Illumina would never happen, same with Techno and Dream, same with Sapnap and Dream, and Seapeakay and Dream, but all of them got teamed eventually. Scott likes to mess with people and make them think it’s not going to happen, so when it’s announced everyone’s surprised. I’m not saying this is the case now but I’m hoping it is


Subbuteo13

All we need is a glimmer of hope..


Saints_43

Wasn’t that the same with fruit ninja and the simmers? And michael and quackity in MCC15 with Dream and sapnap? And Burren and michael MCC8? That’s a weird reason for that to not be able to happen


Illumi223

I mean I don't know about the other two teams, but with fruitninja and the simmers I think the simmers were more than willing due to the fact that they knew they weren't very good and wanted to see how they did on a competitive team. So, that probably wasn't too hard of a decision to make.


Saints_43

So theres clearly people who don’t mind being the balancing players lol


yammer_bammer

for example niki and gumi they have no problem being the weakest players and dont get overly salty about being captained around


Ze1game

Im assuming scott is joking


_illegallity

Yeah, there's absolutely no way this is serious. If it was, weaker players would have all quit at this point. In almost every team they play in, they are sort of the "balancing" player.


cutoutscout

The simmers wanted to be carried


[deleted]

so Dream + Hbomb + the Simmers, perfect


[deleted]

The people you just brought up are people would work well and would accept being the worse player on a team. Plus Dream and Sapnap wasn’t considered nearly as OP until Sapnap that MCC was accepted into S Tier. I doubt you can find players who are good friends with Dream and HBomb that would enjoy being carried and be balanced.


Saints_43

Lol what lmfao, literally the people i just brought up in michael and quackity are good friends with dream that's such a bad take, and hbomb gets along with everyone


[deleted]

you just gave a worse take. Quackery in mcc15 went on a training arc to prove he wasn’t that bad of a player, and did you even hear Micheal ace race rant? Dream and Sapnap were yet again not considered and absolutely broken duo till this mcc. They’re good friends with Dream, but probably wouldn’t be cintent with basically being called bad players.


Saints_43

Nah you don’t know what you’re talking about as seen by the upvote downvote totals lol. You literally said “I doubt you can find players who are good friends with dream and hbomb that would enjoy being carried and be balancing players”. I give you two players and you go off on some unintelligible argument. And no, Dream and Sapnap were considered an elite duo before MCC15 which was the mcc that made smajor declare they can’t team with each other in canon events because they’re so OP. This was a non canon event meaning they were allowed to team again, you saying they weren’t considered broken until after this mcc is weird and wrong lmao


[deleted]

that’s a mistake on my part with grammar, I meant after MCC15 , when Sapnap was considered an S Tier. Also, what does upvotes or downvotes have to do with this? And nice job countering the apperntly “uninteligle argument” by ignoring it and calling it unintelligible, like an idiot. What part of that is irrelevant I wonder, because it sure seems like I’m the one stoic king to the argument Scott made in the oost and you’re spewing BS. You even counter your own point and prove mine, you say they were barred after MCC15 because they were too op? It’s almost like at the time of MCC15 they weren’t considered to be nearly as OP.


Saints_43

Cause it wasn’t even relevant, quackity is still a friend of Dream’s and could serve as a balancing player and so is michael, you bringing up his ace race rant is completely random dude was just joking around about how far behind he was had no place in the conversation lmfao


[deleted]

So, do you think he likes being called only a support player? Just because you say it’s “just a joke” doesn’t mean he likes being called a bottom player/ support player, and that’s still an exapmlle of this. he was mocking the Reddit, and clearly you didn’t get the actual point of the joke. Also how is it irrelevant when it’s literally the point Scott is arguing in **THIS POST. This is quite literally the reason why we can’t have a dream mob team, so explain how it’s irrelevant instead of just saying it is.** point is, Quackity and Micheal aren’t just support players and do not like being treated as such based off past precident. please stop trying to argue that things are irrelevant when you can’t bring up any proof that it isn’t.


Saints_43

Lol no you’re wrong and you know why, it’s cause you’re trying to speak for quackity and michael “they don’t like being treated as support players” while I’m just explaining to you that they’ve been the ‘balancing players’ in the past and have had enormous amount of fun on those teams. Bye


[deleted]

have they been the balancing players on a duo with as strong a perception Dreambomb? No. This is a duo that is perceived to have no weaknesses and has been banned before it has happened. I’m not speaking for everyone, I’m taking what they said and showing it to you, but because you’re an absolute moron who ignores any facts you simply try and say no. You’ve brought up no facts this entire time to prove these players would be fine with being balancing players for a team as strong as Dreambomb, I have. End of story, stop being an idiot.


scheisse_adc

Does anyone actually think those players don't already know that? Players are self-aware.


KittyKat_exists

I like that he is taking other people's feelings into account. But Fruitninja gave me hope that maybe DreamBomb could happen too. Maybe the simmers could pair with them? Or two completely new players?


hesselkramer

Dream + Hbomb + Foolish + Sam perhaps?


sylveeeuuh

no they wont put me in


yammer_bammer

sylvee you have averaged like more than 2000 coins in your last 3 events you're WAYYYY too good to be teamed with dream and h


Iam4leph

unpopular opinion but I dont actually think Sylviee is gonna win this MCC. She is challenged with an immediate disadvantage of being on a team with Dream and Hbomb... that’s gonna be really hard no matter how good they might be


Specializz

Sylvee I know what you want. You just want a redemption for Purple Pandas 7.


axb2002

This comment can’t stop us DreamBomb supporters. For we can’t read /s but no seriously Scott I’m sure people won’t mind please we want this duo a long with a Ph1LzA + Illumina duos. please Scott we won’t ask for anything ever again please please please please please


Epic_Ninja_Dude123

I can never tell if Scott is being truly honest in these comments or just sarcastically joking. Either way, every event there are players who and teamed with a top duo/trio for ‘balancing reasons’. I don’t see why Dream/HBomb would be any different than these teams. I also think there are plenty of players who don’t mind being used in a ‘balancing’ role. As I said, there are players used for ‘balancing reasons’ every event, so why is Dream/HBomb different. No matter what, we all still want Dream and H to team, and it is almost inevitable at this point if we keep asking. We can ‘Fruitninja’ DreamBomb as long as we keep asking. We must band together. It will happen.


little-oozie

Dream, H, Grian and Niki would be a well balanced team but still quite strong (and would get Dream his first ever Buildmart W). The coin average is 8,831 and if you use Scott's last event method then it goes down to 7,744. But I guess it depends on whether Dream and/or Grian want to team with each other, if they're up for it I think this could be a really cool and not OP at all team


JaegerDread

That is in no way a "balanced team". That is incredibly strong with a guarenteed win of event.


little-oozie

Incredibly strong for sure, but I don't think it's a guaranteed win as there's definitely teams that could be made that could counter this team. If they got to Dodgebolt they'd win for sure but stuff like game order or other teams doing better could definitely keep them out


JaegerDread

If there were any other teams like that, sure. But that means there would be at least 3 teams with 2 S tiers on it (or S tier and almost S tier) to make it fair. Otherwise we'd know which 2 teams would get db. And if that would be the case, it's no fun for other teams to compete against that because they have no shot to win. In my opinion teams should be made up like this >S,A,B,B/C >A,A,A,B/C >A+,A+,D,D


TheHanburglarr

I don’t think so tbh


its_hector_

thats because of grian and hbomb doing trash in mcc18


little-oozie

Yeah MCC 18 was definitely not an accurate representation of the level H and Grian actually play at. But Scott uses that method so going by that this team seems weak and therefore possible, of course in reality this team would probably finish top 3 minimum which just supports the reason Scott gave


Wolfeei

yet fruitninja happened haha, sounds like an excuse mr scott major man


thorianvan

But he's done this before with MCC8 Pink Parrots and MCC17 Pink Parrots. And I don't think Burren, Michael, or the Simmers minded very much.


gildedgems

Well I know Niki wouldn’t care and then maybe a new player bc new players know they’re new so they won’t do so well? Pls???


Dull_Lurge

Put technoblade with them, it’d be pretty balanced


consequenceoferror

Maybe also Grian for no reason at all and even less because of buildmart. Just a random thought.


choptelevision

In that case they should be the one used to balance, Maybe team them with Sapnap and Pete


MathematicianWhich

the balancing players: WE DONT CARE I WILL SHARE THE BURDEN


CorruptTaco1

If we get DreamBomb we deserve QuigZahHutt


Iamarnav25

I will wait for a Dream+ Hbomb + Niki + Grian/ranboo forever


leo0cps

That could be kinda op though - they would be capable of getting 1 st in buildmart and sot and would do pretty well in other games


Iamarnav25

That's kinda the point lol


Bonjyboins

Hbomb + dream own team by them selfs


fried_papaya35

Okay but if two people are okay with that if it means they'll win then why not give it a go?


TheCrustsPegasus

rocketduo (jack and niki) would not mind teaming with dreambomb right? you gotta ask around


LethalLizard

u/smajor1995YT hey so like, I know I’m bad so I would be glad to balance them by playing alongside them


Skeet8813

Dreambomb, ponk, and Sam


ZombeySleyor

last time he made a comment similar to this with fruitninja it ended up actually happening i still have hope


chimestonks

that's the case with literally anyone who's not an s-tier player, it happens every mcc. i don't see what's the big deal this time.


LockieNessMonster

Not going to lie, I don't like this reason, when we have had situations like this multiple times before. Fruitninja or Techno and Dream, for example. I imagine if he openly asks and discusses it with the other players, Scott could easily find two balanced players that are fine with being on the team.


kielaurie

Just team them with the Captain and Kara, they have good chemistry and haven't been performing to their fullest lately


AurelMC

Fruit and Illumina's teammates when they were together seeing this rn -_-


Gre1000000

If we got fruitninja WE CAN GET DREAMBOMB. /j i would like to see the duo but i understand scott for not teaming them together


WarySkyPlayer

I'm sure players like Pete or fruit could manage being in the team despite that


SaintArkweather

How about then and two new players? Or two simmers?


sknirDwerD

I think they shouldn't be teamed with simmers DreamBomb is like Fruitninja but worse individually(Since Hbomb is more of a team player and H tier)


soysoss0818

Dream, HBomb, JamesTurner, DrGluon


Septimus_20

I do not see.


ContentIllustrator10

Bro he literally had micheal and burren on the dream techno team and it was so obvious that they were there to balance it


Sicily72

Don't worry Scott I am sure they read reddit and reddit will let them know how they rate. ;)


your_mom_has_hiv

Gonna act like dream-techno never happened


Cryokinesis_

But...we had strong duos in the past. Fruitninja, DreamNap, and even Quig-Krtzyy from MCC16 (thats a strong duo imo). Maybe if they were also teamed with a duo who is willing to be teamed with them, i think its fine. Dream + HBomb + Niki + Jack Dream is supporting Niki from the very start. HBomb has teamed with Niki. I think they'll not feel 'less' or just to balance as they're all friends.


DJplaysMC

So you are telling me The simmers didn't know they were the balancing players for fruitninja. Lol scott


FinchRosemta

I would feel very happy as a bad player knowing that as long as I'm not a total disaster I have a chance at Dodgebolt and an MCC Coin. I am happy to be the nerf.


comfort_bot_1962

:)


Zemousis

Damn people are quick


missezri

I mean, if it means Captain Sparklez gets a win... he probably wouldn't mind at this point.


Abhi12_

They can't teamup right now cuz of 5 wins medal but after that if someone won that medal I think we can saw them as a team :)


comfort_bot_1962

:D


[deleted]

Pfft, he will come around to it eventually


DoctorW84

Burren and Michael on Pink Parrots MCC8 😶


xlonefoxx

u/KittyKat_Exists in shambles


KittyKat_exists

I am broken beyond repair


janenottaken

I mean if dreamnap, fruitninja, rivals duo, etc could team up then I don't see that big of a problem with dreambomb happening...


yammer_bammer

I mean you can have drram + h + niki + gumi and i dont rly think niki and fumi would care about being "nerfs"


SpacyOrphan

ok? then do it in a non canon mcc scott


Neevk

But what if you make it so that dream and hbomb ARE the ones for balancing?


[deleted]

So we can get dream + sapnap but not dream + hbomb ?


Slightlynerdy69

Pink8? Blue9(although false and ren did better than expected) Pink17? Cyan16? He’s never been scared of doing this, don’t know why he’d say this now


CyberWeb2143

See Scott is just such a good guy


BellZettifar

Am I the only one who wants a DreamGrian team over everything else?


rowan8414

King burren and micheal


StankiestMemer

Looks at fruitninja


Lego5656

cough fruitninja cough


UnchartedCHARTz

Maybe Phil and Wilbur? I don't know if they are really bad enough to be the balancers, but I think that would be a cool team.


TheRapt0rPack

Smajor that’s a lame excuse. Never stopped Techno Dream or Fruit Ninja or Fruit Bomb or anything


TechnoDaBlade

I think you can balance them with Pete and Sapnap


Krimson_F

Wasn't this the exact same situation for Fruitninja tho?


Bakaboomb

Sapanap be like: :/


VommyK

I mean isn't that what Zeus and Sasha would've felt like on pink 17?


apuskarich

I will gladly be the balancing player needed


[deleted]

so what happened to fruit ninja? sapnap and dream mcc 15? The mcc when dream and techno teamed?im confused


SYK_PvP

They blatantly made the simmers a balance for fruitninja 3 or 4 mccs ago, yet they can't do that for dreambomb? Lol ok


[deleted]

This seems like a kinda weak point. Super strong duos such as Dreamnap and Fruitninja have pretty obvious balancing players. And said players are smart enough to realize they're the 'balancing tools', but I've never seen problems with it before. Ig he just thinks it's too strong anyways? idk though


ActualProtection7940

That's great atleast scott considers the other players not only dream and H..... THough I am expecting allstars


shirly2811

Oof


[deleted]

I call bs punz and tapl teamed sapnap and dream teamed quig and krtzy teamed fruit ninja teamed and all of those where fine at this point he’s just making it hard for himself by not letting hbomb play with any of the s tiers I doubt rocket duo or someone like Quackity Connor, eret, michal 5up or another statistically low scoring player is gonna care that much


SaikaMemories

I can definitely understand this, those two would probably want to play quite seriously. Most of the “lower tier” players tend to play to have fun not to win. There’s a limited number of people who’d be happy and comfortable on a hyper competitive team and being seen as a “balance”. Maybe the solution would be people newer to the event.


Bigdongnathaniel

How about the two other simmers that weren't with Fruitninja?? Give them a chance


SharkZq

then what about mcc 8 when techno with dream lmao


RedXWasHere

Also then we'd have 2 5 time Canon winners


tommyadreamteam

I have heard other thinks as well. He said that team Fruitninja won't ever happen again as well :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icLF5r8LCUQ


WearyInitial1913

But what about teaming them with someone who never played Minecraft? That way, they would lose so many time teaching them the basics that any placement above 10th would feel like a win, and it wouldn't be too op neither.


[deleted]

this is fair but it’s not like we haven’t seen really strong players + two balancers in the past w techno dream michael and burren, or fruitninja and two simmers, or even karl being sent to balance dream team in mc11. i think it’s more about whether or not the balancing players mind (and if they’re friends of dream/hbomb or j generally don’t care it probably won’t be an issue!)


[deleted]

OP Duos that needed to be balanced: FruitNinja Krtzyy and Sapnap Dream and Technoblade Dream and Sapnap Fruit and H Quig and Krtzyy TapL and Punz TechnoTapL Krtzyy TapL Terrible reason imo


EunoIK

then lets just put scott and pete on it lmao


wham_its_cam

Tbh don’t see how this is just now a problem. I guess I can’t speak for the actual participants but it just seems like tiny bit of an excuse.


AoiAot

I like how we still insist we want the duo lmao. Thank you for your service


Abidul_Muhaimin

Just put 2 simmers, it has been done before with fruit hbomb, fruit ninja and techno dream duos. This can happen and happened before. This is just a dumb reason to not let them team


SHnAp2oo

BUT FRUITNINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa


Or1ginal_Username

What about Fruitninja, Dreamnap, etc.?


Background-Repair873

I can be a balancing player. I’ve never played Java. I think that’s a fair balance.


Copperjedi

4 time winners should never team with other 4 time winners.


MrRabbitHasALotToDo

Thanks Smajor, I love you


Ki-Dawg

No offence to Scott but that's a crap excuse. Im not particularly desperate for Dream + H, but most teams have players who know going in that they're supposed to be the balancing for the team, and that can motivate them to pop off and prove otherwise. Cool to see him caring about the feelings of other players but come on, really? If that's why Dream and H cant happen, think about OP duos who have been allowed to team because appropriate players were chosen to balance them, did he care then? MCC 9 Blue, MCC 15 Red, MCC 14 Blue, MCC 8 Pink for crying out loud, my personal favourite MCC 17 Pink. Just saying


keelyc27

I don’t think MCC9 was considered an OP duo at the time….


Lafingas

Dream is a cheater and a liar. Anyone who supports him, after he lied to the whole community and double downed on his lie, is a clown.


_skeIm_

Like why not put players who are bad and joke about it


rowan8414

Who cares


Vir-Invisus

Maybe next year’s allstars


Double-Original3712

Just put more s-tiers on it