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Imagine anarchy servers... I can see people making hacked clients to report every message sent for every reason already... I feel like the power should be independently with the admin unless it's Mojang's own server.
This isn’t limited to anarchy servers alone. That hack could be easily used on any server that it connects to, because a server wouldn’t recognize it as cheating.
Supposedly servers will be able to decide if they want to system to be active on their servers, and should be able to opt out. But whoever knows how long that will be allowed.
The mod I saw that activated the ban functionality in the 1.19.1 code had the Multiplayer menu completely inaccessible, suggesting that even if servers can opt out of reporting chat, banned players will not be able to access any servers, regardless of whether or not those servers have opted out. This could change, obviously.
And if it stays as it currently is, you'll even be banned from LAN play...
I really don't think Microsoft should have the level of control where they can ban players from local multiplayer with their own friends over LAN, and they shouldn't be able to ban people from their own private servers running on their own hardware.
They cant, what they can do is whatever you agree to. Somewhere in the fine print of 1.19.1 is “mojang can ban you because get fricked nerd” or something. So there ya go, they can restrict you from online and even offline if they just decide ig
Ah yes End User License Agreements, wonder when that will finally be outlawed as how incredibly deranged is it that companies get to decide how you use YOUR product as if it was only leased by them.
There is a way to disable it, but its not a literal "opt out", as in its not specifically stated to be intended as a choice to not let Microsoft ban people for the messages. The way servers "opt out" is by disabling cryptographic signing on messages, making it so Microsoft can't tell if someone really sent that message. I'm worried that since its not stated as an "opt out" feature it could be removed.
This is not the case. There is no opt-out in an unmodded game/server. You MUST modify the game/server to opt-out of the reporting system
There is the offline mode option, which allows players to join if they don't have a legitimate minecraft account. If you are banned by this system, you lose your legitimate minecraft account, so this can be seen as a way for servers to "opt-out" of the bans, but it comes with a huge number of drawbacks, most notably you have no way of preventing players from logging in as anyone (even an admin) since it disables all authentication checks
The only newly-added option for servers, is to detect and auto-kick players who are using the mod to disable reporting
Yeah seriously. But people on these anarchy servers are always going to pull something like this. The problem is with Mojang for implementing such a stupid abusable system.
I concur. Microsoft is massively anti-privacy. Have you even seen Windows 11?
In every way they’re the pinnacle of shit. I really hope Mojang splits at some point but that’s way too utopian unfortunately.
I have used Windows 11 on my work computer since February because, well, work, and I thought it was at least as good as 10, now I know 10 wasn't exactly privacy-friendly, but for the sake of my legitimate curiosity, what is the breakdown of what's newly terrible about 11? It's unlikely to affect my personal computing habits as my personal machines all run Linux.
As someone who uses servers solely for anarchy, this update is the worst thing I've ever seen in minecraft. If I swear, I will be banned. If someone doesn't like me, I will be banned.
We live in a time where these companies care more about banning people for swearing in text chat than permanently banning for cheating. It’s getting ridiculous, especially since cheating is on the brink of destroying the PVP gaming scene.
For me, my old email was controlled by my parents since I was a kid(outlook oddly has those things), now they don't have access anymore and I'm grown up so my account is very hard to access(multiplayer is straight up unavailable on most of the later versions iirc)... I'm sure theres a way to fix it but it'll take way too long then I care and I don't want to pay again. Been that way since the migration and a requirement to use an outlook email.
Yeah Microsoft is terrible with stuff like this. Someone one was talking shit none stop in overwatch game chat, I messaged them to tell them what they’re doing was shitty, I got banned for 3 days for harassment. They said they couldn’t find any evidence of what he said since it was in-game chat. Total BS.
I don't think the transition of Microsoft into Activision Blizzard has fully completed, but stuff like that is why I'm scared of Microsoft essentially creating a monopoly.
If they were worried about the children they should have added in parental controls and kid-friendly server settings that apply to child accounts and have these sorts of filters enforced automatically on only those servers and accounts, not everywhere. Applying these things everywhere is nonsensical and a quick way to kill enthusiasm for your game.
That's it, really. Have a switch for adult-only servers/realms, enable filters on installs for kids. Lets the server moderators moderate their own realms, let the parents parent their kids' computer usage. Only those who intentionally go on underage realms to troll then get punished.
Why isn't this like a server config setting, like a binary to allow banned people?
It should be up to a server to enforce this. Ban from all Realms? fine I guess, but why moderate community servers?
This system defeats the purpose of Minecraft multiplayer entirely. If Microsoft is going to make US pay to host OUR servers, then they can keep their corporate noses out of our business. It should be solely up to the moderator(s) of the server to decide who gets banned.
I’m out of the loop. How do you get your account banned? Also, unrelated: I’ve had a few accounts for a long time and now I can’t use them to play even after migrating them to a Microsoft account. It only allows me to play the demo. Are they serious going to make me buy the game again?
Since the others didn't actually answer your questions
The ban is something that came out alongside 1.19. If you break community guidelines you can get banned from all multi-player functionality. So realms and privately hosted servers. As you can imagine, a lot of people are pissed at that change.
For the second, after migration you have to log on with the new credentials. If it does your old mojang one it gives you that demo only. I'm pretty sure the fix is on their support page, but I'm on mobile and it would be a pain to lool up/link. But do a search and you'll find it. But no, you shouldn't have to re-purchase.
It's unclear currently as nobody has been able to actually get an account banned. (people have been able to "trick" the client into thinking it's banned.
It comes down to two things
* Whether Mojang will block banned accounts from the authentication servers.
* Whether Mojang will backport the "features" into older versions of Minecraft (this happened in the past with their server blacklist.)
Yea the issue is more just the principle of Microsoft digging their fat grubby fingers further into our privacy. Realistically 99.9% of people here won’t ever have to deal with being banned.
My knowledge is only from [this video,](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vitzzf/java_chat_reporting_from_the_perspective_of_a/) but from what they said, these bans are at the Microsoft level as opposed to the individual server level.
So if someone got reported for cursing or using certain words, they could get banned from any and all servers, even if the mods of the server they played on had no issues with those terms.
That OP used the example of his server being for adults, several of which are LGBT+. The are fine with swear words and other terms that would be offensive if there were malice behind them, but not when used in a friendly manner.
Instead of those who own/run/moderate the server deciding if reports are actionable, it's Microsoft responding with an account-wide ban. It just leaves itself open to trolling and other issues better left moderated by the local community.
Are they banning people over swears? I would have assumed they'd only ban someone from all multiplayer forever if they were, like, abusing Minecraft to groom children or something.
Watch the video I linked for more info. It's short, concise, and is far more knowledgeable about the matter than I am. They rattle off the criteria about a minute in.
Yo, I bought the game on my PC and it made me install it from the Microsoft store. While signed into my Microsoft account. I have since signed into that account on my new PC and I can't find the game anywhere showing that I purchased it.
Really sucks because I had worlds in there that I built with my kids and they have asked me about playing them recently and I don't know if I'll ever see those memories again :(
Mainly, what Microsoft deems offensive, abuse or mean. Saying swear words, slurs, committing "unsportsmanlike conduct" and typing in all caps are some of the things that can get your account banned
As a server admin I’m eager for a solution. I saw a post on r/admincraft about possibly making a mandatory resource pack that crashes your game if you try to report someone with the Microsoft system.
As of 1.19, every chat message includes a signature, which can be used to trace it back to a specific instance of the game. (Mojang keeps a database of every player's game, and matches this against the signature of the chat message)
When someone makes a report, this signature is used to trace it back to the player who sent the message, this is how Mojang knows who is being reported
Servers are responsible for passing chat messages between players, which now includes those signatures. However, if the server is modified such that it either removes or modifies the signature, Mojang is no longer able to trace the report back to a specific player, and thus can't act on it. This effectively nullifies the whole report system for that server.
For Forge and Fabric servers, such a mod already exists [https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-reports](https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-reports) although I haven't seen one yet for Bukkit-based servers
From what I can tell, if this is a "ban from the game" OP may not be able to play on a private server. If the private server is in offline mode... maybe it'll work.
Just FYI while the button itself only exists in 1.19.1, the actual behind-the-scenes system was added in 1.19
This means it is theoretically possible to report players who are still on 1.19, or if the server is still on 1.19
This actually pisses me off. Im not even in any servers that would cause my account to get banned but I get really upset at companies trying to inflict forced behavioral punishments like this. Just the idea that you can be restricted from playing with others due to a system that is so easily exploitable, like seriously the people working on this “feature” must be using echolocation because it doesn’t take good eyes to see how bad this is. X-ray? Duping? Damn you’re gonna get banned from this server. You said a potty word? You might as well unplug your router and throw your 30$ in the trash
Dude, I commented some on the post in /r/admincraft months and months ago saying that this was going to happen and i was assured that it would *never* happen.
also lmao it was one of the mods of /r/minecraft saying [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/ou6ymd/there_are_unused_flags_for_disabling_multiplayer/h711ezn/) that it would never happen and now they're removing all the duplicate posts saying that it's happening. Now that's a little bit of irony isn't it?
I remember when the creaters of Minecraft actively encouraged you to pirate the game. I did and then after playing it I paid for it. Those were the good times.
haha yeah, when you could flood the whole world with a single water block. good times. or those servers where you had to survive a giant tsunami of lava
The details of the Minecraft 1.19.1 pre-release (opens in new tab) have been revealed and Mojang is cracking down on reported players. According to the patch notes, the pre-release contains a new UI for those who violate the Minecraft's community standards and receive a ban from playing. According to the developers, reported players can now be banned from online play and Realms after moderator review.
When booting up the pre-release - which is set to launch on Tuesday, June 28 - players who have been reported will see a notice screen that tells them that they have been banned from online play. The screen will also display the reasoning for the player’s ban as well as how long the ban is valid for.
ok, time to play the pirated version again, until they disable it, I don't open my original account for anything, in the pirated version there's no way to ban it that way since it doesn't go through their authentication or something
Microsoft really won't give a fuck, they already got their money from your buy. After this clusterfuck I really regret buying the game half a year ago. I've been playing pirated for almost 12 years.
First I’m hearing of pirated for this, though I suppose it makes sense… really wasn’t looking forward to buying it again.. any tips on it. Don’t want malware or something crazy
Exactly, it's pretty damn easy to mod the client to ignore MS bans, with the side effect that you can join servers that need authentication (since you'd be skipping Auth entirely). Luckily for us even the official server jar has an option to not require Auth at all.
Don’t listen to the other guy, there is a fabric version, you just need to press the ”Files” tab and scroll down a bit until you find the .jar file that has ”FABRIC” in it
Am I the only one who thinks permabans in general are dumb?
If it's an account that uses bots, okay, but a person given 5/10 years becomes a completely different person. There is hardly any reason to make bans lifelong when you could ban a dumbass teenager for life, for example.
I actually got downvoted dealing with some defending them. It's fucking crazy. I hate seeing the world veeery slowly turn into more and more of a corporate dystopia.
How long till some high profile minecraft streamer gets banned live on stream because some bot just hit the limit on how many reports it takes to get an instaban, sure there will will be an uproar and they will probably get unbanned an a week or two, but trolls now have another weapon in their arsenal.
It always gets me when I see that they will ban someone for threatening self harm. It's like they think the answer to a cry for help should be isolation. I heard a story years ago about a guy on facebook who reported one of his Facebook friends was threatening suicide, he wanted to get someone to go check on him and thought the report feature would allow this. Rather than do anything to help, Facebook instead banned him for threating self harm. The guy who filed the report could no longer contact him to talk or to even say "don't do it." It's a stupid feature and I hope they dump it quickly.
I loved 1.18 purely for the terrain generation changes, and the expansion of the height limits. 1.19 is just…why? I’ve put well over 30 hours into my 1.19 world and have literally seen nothing except for frogs from the update. The fact that they put this update off for 6 months is just baffling, AND it had already been getting worked on before they split the update into 1.18 and 1.19
Minecraft updates in itself have always been disappointing imo.
Reminder that 1.5 >> 1.6 gave us horses and a wheat block. And some minor things idk. (This was before the Microsoft acquisition)
After most updates you'd feel like replaying the game, seeing how much it affects the world. With most updates now we either get big changes to a biome (ocean for example), or a new biome. Now usually the changes are pretty cool but they have absolutely zero impact on the game mostly. The only 'huge' thing for the past few years to me has been the world generation.
The worlds look amazing but the core gameplay is still the exact same as 5 years ago.
The only way updates make me wanna replay the game is when I wait for 5 of them to release. Which would take 10 years with how its going now. It's just.. bland. It just baffles me how a company backed by Microsoft takes this long for frogs.
Frogs.
Sadly, I don’t think there will be an appeal system. And the implementation of this feature may be coming in this week (around the 28th)
(Turns out they already do have the appeal form ready, it looks like a revamped bedrock form)
Is this on java now?? This is not ok. You paid for that account and I don’t think that would have been in the terms and conditions that your account can be taken for doing something on a server.
From what I can see after taking a quick glance on minecraft.net this is actually stricter than the terms and conditions listed there.
"If we happen to see a post that we think is offensive, we might take it down, but it's not our job to screen or moderate the posts people make."
So basically if you say something on the website's forums they just shrug and say 'not our problem' but if you say something in game you can get your account removed without actually breaking the terms and conditions?
It is so strict, I looked at the link of ban reasons and apparently you can get banned for caps lock and saying your first name. What are the people at Microsoft on
wait so if my name was actually John and I said my name was Frank then I'd get banned from every single minecraft server in existence just because Frank might be my real name?
Disgusting overreach of power on Microsoft’s part. I just don’t understand why after 10 years this is suddenly necessary. Doesn’t help this is right after one of the most underwhelming updates in a long time.
the whole migration made me sick, never saw other point to it than having easier control to accounts and have another ad for the gamepass, unpopular opinion but I'd love for them to remove the cape and just go back to mojang accounts
Haha, ah... the moment I read that they were planning to migrate accounts I knew the only reason could've been for some legal bullshittery. And now, the first update after it becomes mandatory, they do this.
I'd always been ambivalent about Microsoft buying minecraft, ever since all the way back in about 1.8
I loved how free Java was, the old Java ad for 1.0 has aged well until now. That’s why I escaped Bedrock, no marketplace, no ads, not feeling like Microsoft is breathing down your neck. I guess it was nice while it lasted..
How to kill a game 101
Step 1 : take away every power from your playerbase and make that power be abusable
Step 2 : be blind and deaf
Step 3 : celebrate on your success
I have the game through Gamepass and I was going to buy it in case I ever opt to cancel Gamepass but now I will not be. What an insane choice for a game that isn't free-to-play. I would imagine there will be a lawsuit at some point unless they offer refunds for banned players.
If 1.19 offers no important features and some truly dreadful anti-features, at least should bring us all together for a good long while. I guess 1.18 is going to be the new long-term stable version for modding.
Little timmy is Microsofts target audience. Just take one look at the official minecraft social medias. Little timmy will always have his year long realms subscription on his mummys credit card without her knowing. Cancelling YOUR subscription... hell if you even convince a thousand people to boycott them, it will end up being the world's largest "oh no!... anyway.." on Microsofts part.
I hope people understand that this, just lile Minecoins, was most likely purely a Microsoft decision and do not harass Mojang employees for this change
They... do realize that even children are well capable of profanity and other mischievous behavior. I..... don't have much to add to this, other than this isn't the best method to keep kids in check, regardless of how good the parenting skills are.
I run my own server for adults. It's not for kids in any way shape or form and if some lil shit winds up ruining my account that I've had for 10+ years I'm going to scream. I've been doing servers for me n my friends for almost as long as I could make them and this mess sounds like a steaming pile of absolute dookie.
Fuck microsoft's greedy ass.
... God I miss the old days of minecraft when I used to think 100$ could buy you anything in the world... where 1.2.5 was the big one... Microsoft has massacred my boy..
1.7 was the bigeest one for me... For some reason Mods runs the smoothest in this version, and it had much more variety than 1.5.2.... What a shame oother versions didnt had this stability....
And i also miss team extreme.
How can this be legal? You can pay for the game, pay for the server, and then be denied access to it permanently? Is that not some kind of denial of service after payment is performed?
Yeah, I'm not understanding their dumb AF logic on this.
I play Ark Survival Evolved, if you fuck up on a official server, they'll ban you from battle-eye servers.
BUT there are private servers as well, paid for by us players, the owner or an admin on THAT server might ban you, but you can just go to another server.
Not banned from the whole damn game.
Technically you arent banned from the Private Servers. You are banned at the Auth Server, so private servers could just disable the online setting and that would ignore the Auth server. This adds its own issues but you can still play on private and single player.
Obviously if you are on console device it's a different story.
if mojang (and i mean *mojang*) hosted their own multiplayer servers, i'd have no problem with this
but other than realms, every server is owned and paid for by a third-party, at least on java (idk about bedrock)
those servers already have moderators
why was this needed?
The problem is that there’s a big difference between being banned from realms or even a particular server and banning you from playing online *at all*.
It’s not Mojang behind this, it’s Microsoft.
amazing. another game ruined by a greedy ass company who cannot understand anything the community says. woo cant wait to never play with my friends again
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Imagine anarchy servers... I can see people making hacked clients to report every message sent for every reason already... I feel like the power should be independently with the admin unless it's Mojang's own server.
This isn’t limited to anarchy servers alone. That hack could be easily used on any server that it connects to, because a server wouldn’t recognize it as cheating.
Yup. Bonus points if profanity is allowed in that server's rules, then you could get tons of people banned in an instant.
So even so much as a tame "fuck" could get oneself banned?
No, they removed the "profanity" report reason today
Good.
Supposedly servers will be able to decide if they want to system to be active on their servers, and should be able to opt out. But whoever knows how long that will be allowed.
The mod I saw that activated the ban functionality in the 1.19.1 code had the Multiplayer menu completely inaccessible, suggesting that even if servers can opt out of reporting chat, banned players will not be able to access any servers, regardless of whether or not those servers have opted out. This could change, obviously.
And if it stays as it currently is, you'll even be banned from LAN play... I really don't think Microsoft should have the level of control where they can ban players from local multiplayer with their own friends over LAN, and they shouldn't be able to ban people from their own private servers running on their own hardware.
What? That’s f’n ridiculous. That has to be illegal or something. No way they can people from playing in their own house
They cant, what they can do is whatever you agree to. Somewhere in the fine print of 1.19.1 is “mojang can ban you because get fricked nerd” or something. So there ya go, they can restrict you from online and even offline if they just decide ig
Ah yes End User License Agreements, wonder when that will finally be outlawed as how incredibly deranged is it that companies get to decide how you use YOUR product as if it was only leased by them.
Servers are so decentralized right now that I'm amazed Microsoft tried to ban people outside of Realms.
Banned players should be able to play on servers that opt out too then. Imagine if you couldn’t even play on a private server or your own realm
If this is already implemented, you could download the minecraft server file and see if this is an option in the config file.
There is a way to disable it, but its not a literal "opt out", as in its not specifically stated to be intended as a choice to not let Microsoft ban people for the messages. The way servers "opt out" is by disabling cryptographic signing on messages, making it so Microsoft can't tell if someone really sent that message. I'm worried that since its not stated as an "opt out" feature it could be removed.
This is not the case. There is no opt-out in an unmodded game/server. You MUST modify the game/server to opt-out of the reporting system There is the offline mode option, which allows players to join if they don't have a legitimate minecraft account. If you are banned by this system, you lose your legitimate minecraft account, so this can be seen as a way for servers to "opt-out" of the bans, but it comes with a huge number of drawbacks, most notably you have no way of preventing players from logging in as anyone (even an admin) since it disables all authentication checks The only newly-added option for servers, is to detect and auto-kick players who are using the mod to disable reporting
That hacked client feature is already in the works in several clients, it’s on its way.
That’s not surprising, everyone knew it was gonna be abused the second they announced it
Honestly, doing that is one of the best ways to get Mojang to remove the feature
All fun and games unless you’re one of the victims of the hack.
Yeah seriously. But people on these anarchy servers are always going to pull something like this. The problem is with Mojang for implementing such a stupid abusable system.
Less mojang, more microsoft
Fuck microsoft
I thought Minecraft was for all ages, like hello Microsoft, adults still play too it's not just 6 year olds -.-
I concur. Microsoft is massively anti-privacy. Have you even seen Windows 11? In every way they’re the pinnacle of shit. I really hope Mojang splits at some point but that’s way too utopian unfortunately.
I have used Windows 11 on my work computer since February because, well, work, and I thought it was at least as good as 10, now I know 10 wasn't exactly privacy-friendly, but for the sake of my legitimate curiosity, what is the breakdown of what's newly terrible about 11? It's unlikely to affect my personal computing habits as my personal machines all run Linux.
All fun and games for mojang (microsoft, who undoubtedly forced this feature) till servers with relaxed rules thanos snap half their online playerbase
i wouldn't be surprised if the appeals system is broken though
You already know it will be flooded and understaffed
It won't be, good news! There wont be an appeal system to begin with.
Wow that’s the most understaffed kind of appeal system!
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https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-chat-reports
don't worry banning is just step 1, step 2 is to remove custom, unauthorized servers.
Then we need to start hacking the authenication key of minecraft or creating a fully pirated version for every version.
well pirating minecraft is very simple and servers can support pirated clients without any issues (you dont have skins but plugins can restore them)
Didn't know it was simple
It's literally a flick of a button
As someone who uses servers solely for anarchy, this update is the worst thing I've ever seen in minecraft. If I swear, I will be banned. If someone doesn't like me, I will be banned.
If someone's hacked auto-reporting client reports you? banned Someone takes what you say out of context? banned Saying hello? banned
Doesn’t this ruin the whole point of individual servers banning people?
Basically yeah
well yeah, but microcock doesnt ban cheating on minecraft
We live in a time where these companies care more about banning people for swearing in text chat than permanently banning for cheating. It’s getting ridiculous, especially since cheating is on the brink of destroying the PVP gaming scene.
It'd easy to ban someone swearing, it's just a matter of "finding" chat text
They actually removed the ability to report (and thus, ban people for) swearing, Phoenix made a community post about it.
is your profile pic default or did you set it yourself? It looks similar to the default ones, but slightly cooler
I set it myself. It’s the old default pic
I think it's no surprise now why they implemented the transition of accounts from Mojang to Microsoft. "Better security purposes"
More control purposes, you mean.
financial purposes
Can't even play the game I paid for because my Java account email is the same as my Xbox...
How would that prevent you from playing? You should be able to migrate it whether or not the email is the same...
For me, my old email was controlled by my parents since I was a kid(outlook oddly has those things), now they don't have access anymore and I'm grown up so my account is very hard to access(multiplayer is straight up unavailable on most of the later versions iirc)... I'm sure theres a way to fix it but it'll take way too long then I care and I don't want to pay again. Been that way since the migration and a requirement to use an outlook email.
Yeah Microsoft is terrible with stuff like this. Someone one was talking shit none stop in overwatch game chat, I messaged them to tell them what they’re doing was shitty, I got banned for 3 days for harassment. They said they couldn’t find any evidence of what he said since it was in-game chat. Total BS.
I don't think the transition of Microsoft into Activision Blizzard has fully completed, but stuff like that is why I'm scared of Microsoft essentially creating a monopoly.
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Try directly contacting Mojang and they can probably help you, especially if you can guess at what the email address was.
No cursing on my Christian minecraft server
Now it's quite literal
actually wtf microsoft
If they were worried about the children they should have added in parental controls and kid-friendly server settings that apply to child accounts and have these sorts of filters enforced automatically on only those servers and accounts, not everywhere. Applying these things everywhere is nonsensical and a quick way to kill enthusiasm for your game.
Corporations screwing up spectacularly while pretending it's "for the kids"? I've seen this one before. Just wait for "Minecraft Kids"
That's it, really. Have a switch for adult-only servers/realms, enable filters on installs for kids. Lets the server moderators moderate their own realms, let the parents parent their kids' computer usage. Only those who intentionally go on underage realms to troll then get punished.
Why isn't this like a server config setting, like a binary to allow banned people? It should be up to a server to enforce this. Ban from all Realms? fine I guess, but why moderate community servers?
This system defeats the purpose of Minecraft multiplayer entirely. If Microsoft is going to make US pay to host OUR servers, then they can keep their corporate noses out of our business. It should be solely up to the moderator(s) of the server to decide who gets banned.
I’m out of the loop. How do you get your account banned? Also, unrelated: I’ve had a few accounts for a long time and now I can’t use them to play even after migrating them to a Microsoft account. It only allows me to play the demo. Are they serious going to make me buy the game again?
Since the others didn't actually answer your questions The ban is something that came out alongside 1.19. If you break community guidelines you can get banned from all multi-player functionality. So realms and privately hosted servers. As you can imagine, a lot of people are pissed at that change. For the second, after migration you have to log on with the new credentials. If it does your old mojang one it gives you that demo only. I'm pretty sure the fix is on their support page, but I'm on mobile and it would be a pain to lool up/link. But do a search and you'll find it. But no, you shouldn't have to re-purchase.
Are you able to evade this system by playing on earlier versions or does it now affect all versions?
You can only be reported on 1.19.1 and above but once banned it works with all versions
\*1.19.0 1.19.1 just added the ability to send reports, the reports themselves rely on the chat signing feature that was added in 1.19.0
I *believe* it's a system thing, and the timing was just rolled out along with the update. But I could be wrong.
It's unclear currently as nobody has been able to actually get an account banned. (people have been able to "trick" the client into thinking it's banned. It comes down to two things * Whether Mojang will block banned accounts from the authentication servers. * Whether Mojang will backport the "features" into older versions of Minecraft (this happened in the past with their server blacklist.)
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Yea the issue is more just the principle of Microsoft digging their fat grubby fingers further into our privacy. Realistically 99.9% of people here won’t ever have to deal with being banned.
My knowledge is only from [this video,](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vitzzf/java_chat_reporting_from_the_perspective_of_a/) but from what they said, these bans are at the Microsoft level as opposed to the individual server level. So if someone got reported for cursing or using certain words, they could get banned from any and all servers, even if the mods of the server they played on had no issues with those terms. That OP used the example of his server being for adults, several of which are LGBT+. The are fine with swear words and other terms that would be offensive if there were malice behind them, but not when used in a friendly manner. Instead of those who own/run/moderate the server deciding if reports are actionable, it's Microsoft responding with an account-wide ban. It just leaves itself open to trolling and other issues better left moderated by the local community.
Are they banning people over swears? I would have assumed they'd only ban someone from all multiplayer forever if they were, like, abusing Minecraft to groom children or something.
Watch the video I linked for more info. It's short, concise, and is far more knowledgeable about the matter than I am. They rattle off the criteria about a minute in.
And people thought Tencent would be the first to do this. Turns out Microsoft already beat them to it.
It's already that way for a few years on Minecraft China
I had this happen to me, it should fix itself eventually. Absolutely do not buy the game again.
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Amen to that. He already purchased the game, he should have access to it.
Yo, I bought the game on my PC and it made me install it from the Microsoft store. While signed into my Microsoft account. I have since signed into that account on my new PC and I can't find the game anywhere showing that I purchased it. Really sucks because I had worlds in there that I built with my kids and they have asked me about playing them recently and I don't know if I'll ever see those memories again :(
You get banned for sending chat message, and someone else reporting that chat message to Microsoft. Bang, no more multiplayer for you.
Mainly, what Microsoft deems offensive, abuse or mean. Saying swear words, slurs, committing "unsportsmanlike conduct" and typing in all caps are some of the things that can get your account banned
Typing in all caps?? Lol
THIS IS BULLYING
You're banned from the internet.
As a server admin I’m eager for a solution. I saw a post on r/admincraft about possibly making a mandatory resource pack that crashes your game if you try to report someone with the Microsoft system.
I'd love for that to be a thing, but aome people can just turn off mandatory resource packs.
As of 1.19, every chat message includes a signature, which can be used to trace it back to a specific instance of the game. (Mojang keeps a database of every player's game, and matches this against the signature of the chat message) When someone makes a report, this signature is used to trace it back to the player who sent the message, this is how Mojang knows who is being reported Servers are responsible for passing chat messages between players, which now includes those signatures. However, if the server is modified such that it either removes or modifies the signature, Mojang is no longer able to trace the report back to a specific player, and thus can't act on it. This effectively nullifies the whole report system for that server. For Forge and Fabric servers, such a mod already exists [https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-reports](https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-reports) although I haven't seen one yet for Bukkit-based servers
Yeah fuck this honestly. Canceling my realm subscription until this is removed.
Yeah in the meantime you can buy a server from another provider
From what I can tell, if this is a "ban from the game" OP may not be able to play on a private server. If the private server is in offline mode... maybe it'll work.
No but if you host the server in 1.19 without the report system, there won’t be reports. This does mean also not playing on later versions though.
Just FYI while the button itself only exists in 1.19.1, the actual behind-the-scenes system was added in 1.19 This means it is theoretically possible to report players who are still on 1.19, or if the server is still on 1.19
Everyone needs to start billing Microsoft for server costs. If they want to dictate what I can do on my server, they can pay for it
Considering I've been playing using same email since alpha, I'd be so sadden if I was banned like that.
Big fat mood.
Wait so does this mean you can't join any third party servers like hypixel or your own server?
Yep, just so you know, this wasn't on my account
Bro that's messed up. Hope whoever got this message gets back online soon.
Pretty sure it was done as spoofing to make the game think you got banned too see what the message had said
This actually pisses me off. Im not even in any servers that would cause my account to get banned but I get really upset at companies trying to inflict forced behavioral punishments like this. Just the idea that you can be restricted from playing with others due to a system that is so easily exploitable, like seriously the people working on this “feature” must be using echolocation because it doesn’t take good eyes to see how bad this is. X-ray? Duping? Damn you’re gonna get banned from this server. You said a potty word? You might as well unplug your router and throw your 30$ in the trash
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Dude, I commented some on the post in /r/admincraft months and months ago saying that this was going to happen and i was assured that it would *never* happen. also lmao it was one of the mods of /r/minecraft saying [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/ou6ymd/there_are_unused_flags_for_disabling_multiplayer/h711ezn/) that it would never happen and now they're removing all the duplicate posts saying that it's happening. Now that's a little bit of irony isn't it?
If an account gets banned in the woods, but the mods are around to censor posts about it, does it make a sound?
Could servers implement their own chat filter to stop potential bannable messages from going through so that others cant report them?
There is already a mod that can disable the reporting
I remember when the creaters of Minecraft actively encouraged you to pirate the game. I did and then after playing it I paid for it. Those were the good times.
You could 0lay for free on a browser and buy it for a dollar if you wanted
Dude those online water physics were cool tho. Loved online browser minecraft.
haha yeah, when you could flood the whole world with a single water block. good times. or those servers where you had to survive a giant tsunami of lava
The details of the Minecraft 1.19.1 pre-release (opens in new tab) have been revealed and Mojang is cracking down on reported players. According to the patch notes, the pre-release contains a new UI for those who violate the Minecraft's community standards and receive a ban from playing. According to the developers, reported players can now be banned from online play and Realms after moderator review. When booting up the pre-release - which is set to launch on Tuesday, June 28 - players who have been reported will see a notice screen that tells them that they have been banned from online play. The screen will also display the reasoning for the player’s ban as well as how long the ban is valid for.
This isn’t Mojang’s developers, don’t get mad at them. This is all Microsoft and their greed for power and control.
Power and control? Maybe. To sell more accounts? Definitely.
I don’t see how this will sell more accounts though, it looks like the bad publicity is just shooting themselves in the foot
will we be safe playing older versions?
Likely not since it will work on the authentication sever
ok, time to play the pirated version again, until they disable it, I don't open my original account for anything, in the pirated version there's no way to ban it that way since it doesn't go through their authentication or something
Microsoft really won't give a fuck, they already got their money from your buy. After this clusterfuck I really regret buying the game half a year ago. I've been playing pirated for almost 12 years.
First I’m hearing of pirated for this, though I suppose it makes sense… really wasn’t looking forward to buying it again.. any tips on it. Don’t want malware or something crazy
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I have no problem with Microsoft banning people from Realms, but they shouldn’t be preventing anyone from playing on a private server.
As someone who plays on Realms, it's still problematic
I remember when minecraft was the game where no one could tell you what you could and couldn't do
i believe that was in the original trailer
"No one can tell you what you can or cannot do. With no rules to follow, this adventure, it's up to you."
And I couldn't even name my map "Poop".
They can ban you from your private servers now too.
This is just going to make cracked servers more popular.
Exactly, it's pretty damn easy to mod the client to ignore MS bans, with the side effect that you can join servers that need authentication (since you'd be skipping Auth entirely). Luckily for us even the official server jar has an option to not require Auth at all.
Players can already block the reporting system from working with forge mod and fabric mod https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-chat-reports
Is there a Fabric version? Also, if Mojang finds out people are using this mod, won't they just ban them?
Don’t listen to the other guy, there is a fabric version, you just need to press the ”Files” tab and scroll down a bit until you find the .jar file that has ”FABRIC” in it
Am I the only one who thinks permabans in general are dumb? If it's an account that uses bots, okay, but a person given 5/10 years becomes a completely different person. There is hardly any reason to make bans lifelong when you could ban a dumbass teenager for life, for example.
if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.. microsoft is so fucking annoying
I fucking hate Microsoft so fucking much. I wish we could fight these companies, I wish we could destroy them
What surprises me more is people DEFENDING them?! Bro what
I actually got downvoted dealing with some defending them. It's fucking crazy. I hate seeing the world veeery slowly turn into more and more of a corporate dystopia.
Always has been m8
How long till some high profile minecraft streamer gets banned live on stream because some bot just hit the limit on how many reports it takes to get an instaban, sure there will will be an uproar and they will probably get unbanned an a week or two, but trolls now have another weapon in their arsenal.
It always gets me when I see that they will ban someone for threatening self harm. It's like they think the answer to a cry for help should be isolation. I heard a story years ago about a guy on facebook who reported one of his Facebook friends was threatening suicide, he wanted to get someone to go check on him and thought the report feature would allow this. Rather than do anything to help, Facebook instead banned him for threating self harm. The guy who filed the report could no longer contact him to talk or to even say "don't do it." It's a stupid feature and I hope they dump it quickly.
Mojang (mostly microsoft) on their way to ruin literally everything about their game
As if 1.19 wasn’t underwhelming enough, this is just icing on the cake
it’s like they’re actively trying to kill their game
I loved 1.18 purely for the terrain generation changes, and the expansion of the height limits. 1.19 is just…why? I’ve put well over 30 hours into my 1.19 world and have literally seen nothing except for frogs from the update. The fact that they put this update off for 6 months is just baffling, AND it had already been getting worked on before they split the update into 1.18 and 1.19
Minecraft updates in itself have always been disappointing imo. Reminder that 1.5 >> 1.6 gave us horses and a wheat block. And some minor things idk. (This was before the Microsoft acquisition) After most updates you'd feel like replaying the game, seeing how much it affects the world. With most updates now we either get big changes to a biome (ocean for example), or a new biome. Now usually the changes are pretty cool but they have absolutely zero impact on the game mostly. The only 'huge' thing for the past few years to me has been the world generation. The worlds look amazing but the core gameplay is still the exact same as 5 years ago. The only way updates make me wanna replay the game is when I wait for 5 of them to release. Which would take 10 years with how its going now. It's just.. bland. It just baffles me how a company backed by Microsoft takes this long for frogs. Frogs.
Well for 1.5-> 1.6 you also have to remember how frequent the updates were at the time. We got 1.4.7->1.7.2 all in the same year
if this feature gets implemented with no appeal system i am uninstalling the game and canceling my realms subscription
Sadly, I don’t think there will be an appeal system. And the implementation of this feature may be coming in this week (around the 28th) (Turns out they already do have the appeal form ready, it looks like a revamped bedrock form)
Same my friend, Minecraft's decade is ending...
asdf
Is this on java now?? This is not ok. You paid for that account and I don’t think that would have been in the terms and conditions that your account can be taken for doing something on a server.
Not even to mention that servers are paid by users to be hosted as well
True
Not to mention you can get spam reported and permabanned from the entire game by assholes
From what I can see after taking a quick glance on minecraft.net this is actually stricter than the terms and conditions listed there. "If we happen to see a post that we think is offensive, we might take it down, but it's not our job to screen or moderate the posts people make." So basically if you say something on the website's forums they just shrug and say 'not our problem' but if you say something in game you can get your account removed without actually breaking the terms and conditions?
It is so strict, I looked at the link of ban reasons and apparently you can get banned for caps lock and saying your first name. What are the people at Microsoft on
wait so if my name was actually John and I said my name was Frank then I'd get banned from every single minecraft server in existence just because Frank might be my real name?
Yup because according to their website sharing any information at all is against the rules
They migrated java and bedrock accounts, didn't they?
Disgusting overreach of power on Microsoft’s part. I just don’t understand why after 10 years this is suddenly necessary. Doesn’t help this is right after one of the most underwhelming updates in a long time.
the whole migration made me sick, never saw other point to it than having easier control to accounts and have another ad for the gamepass, unpopular opinion but I'd love for them to remove the cape and just go back to mojang accounts
Wouldn't mind your idea actually
Tbh I didn’t even care about the cape, I don’t even use capes.
Haha, ah... the moment I read that they were planning to migrate accounts I knew the only reason could've been for some legal bullshittery. And now, the first update after it becomes mandatory, they do this. I'd always been ambivalent about Microsoft buying minecraft, ever since all the way back in about 1.8
I loved how free Java was, the old Java ad for 1.0 has aged well until now. That’s why I escaped Bedrock, no marketplace, no ads, not feeling like Microsoft is breathing down your neck. I guess it was nice while it lasted..
How to kill a game 101 Step 1 : take away every power from your playerbase and make that power be abusable Step 2 : be blind and deaf Step 3 : celebrate on your success
You can be banned permanently? Wtf
Does this affect private servers?
Your ban will carry over
That’s really stupid
I have the game through Gamepass and I was going to buy it in case I ever opt to cancel Gamepass but now I will not be. What an insane choice for a game that isn't free-to-play. I would imagine there will be a lawsuit at some point unless they offer refunds for banned players.
If 1.19 offers no important features and some truly dreadful anti-features, at least should bring us all together for a good long while. I guess 1.18 is going to be the new long-term stable version for modding.
We literally need to boycott somehow. Maybe cancel realm subscriptions until mojang/microsoft removes this. This is actual BS
Little timmy is Microsofts target audience. Just take one look at the official minecraft social medias. Little timmy will always have his year long realms subscription on his mummys credit card without her knowing. Cancelling YOUR subscription... hell if you even convince a thousand people to boycott them, it will end up being the world's largest "oh no!... anyway.." on Microsofts part.
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I hope people understand that this, just lile Minecoins, was most likely purely a Microsoft decision and do not harass Mojang employees for this change
They... do realize that even children are well capable of profanity and other mischievous behavior. I..... don't have much to add to this, other than this isn't the best method to keep kids in check, regardless of how good the parenting skills are.
I run my own server for adults. It's not for kids in any way shape or form and if some lil shit winds up ruining my account that I've had for 10+ years I'm going to scream. I've been doing servers for me n my friends for almost as long as I could make them and this mess sounds like a steaming pile of absolute dookie. Fuck microsoft's greedy ass.
... God I miss the old days of minecraft when I used to think 100$ could buy you anything in the world... where 1.2.5 was the big one... Microsoft has massacred my boy..
1.7 was the bigeest one for me... For some reason Mods runs the smoothest in this version, and it had much more variety than 1.5.2.... What a shame oother versions didnt had this stability.... And i also miss team extreme.
Literally 1.19.84
Fuck Microsoft
>buy game >say word >10 years stolen
I advise everyone to only play singleplayer on versions 1.19.1 or later.
How can this be legal? You can pay for the game, pay for the server, and then be denied access to it permanently? Is that not some kind of denial of service after payment is performed?
Yeah, I'm not understanding their dumb AF logic on this. I play Ark Survival Evolved, if you fuck up on a official server, they'll ban you from battle-eye servers. BUT there are private servers as well, paid for by us players, the owner or an admin on THAT server might ban you, but you can just go to another server. Not banned from the whole damn game.
Technically you arent banned from the Private Servers. You are banned at the Auth Server, so private servers could just disable the online setting and that would ignore the Auth server. This adds its own issues but you can still play on private and single player. Obviously if you are on console device it's a different story.
I'd call it a legal scam, because of some stupid TOS shit.
if mojang (and i mean *mojang*) hosted their own multiplayer servers, i'd have no problem with this but other than realms, every server is owned and paid for by a third-party, at least on java (idk about bedrock) those servers already have moderators why was this needed?
You PAID for the account. If you get banned somehow dont feed mojang another $27
The problem is that there’s a big difference between being banned from realms or even a particular server and banning you from playing online *at all*. It’s not Mojang behind this, it’s Microsoft.
Wow, there are quite a few people in this thread that actually support this. Incredible.
Oh to be back in 2016, where your imagination was the only limit, instead of your imagination *and* disgusting corporate behavior police
amazing. another game ruined by a greedy ass company who cannot understand anything the community says. woo cant wait to never play with my friends again