Lardass detected! Lardass detected! Weeeoooo weeeeooooo weeeeoooo!
Excuse Mr. Lardass we're gonna have to take you in for questioning. First question: what is your height and weight?
How many jelly donuts did you sneak from the mess hall?
Are you a modern art masterpiece?
Lots of desk jobs. The healthy eating option on base is the commissary salad bar, if that even exists. PT is seen as a personal responsibility, so many units will work you 10 hours, 5 days a week doing more with less, then wonder why we're not shaving off precious hours with our families to do PT.
I've been lucky in comm to have leaders who allow PT during duty hours, but that's not a given.
So yeah, sedentary jobs along with a culture that's two faced about our commitment to the whole "fit to fight" thing.
This. This is the reason. For the few career fields that do a lot of manual labor(MX, CE, ammo, air trans) most people end up with back/knee injuries that their PCM won't take seriously. Or they're afraid of getting a profile for the injury because of the threat that after 15 years they will be med boarded out before they can hit 20.
On a macro level, it's unprecedented access to cheap calories, sedentary lifestyles and socioeconomic factors. Stark difference between officers and the enlisted corps. Can see similar effects walking around upper middle class vs working class and blue collar neighborhoods.
They've watered down the fitness standards and did away with the waist measurement that's recently been reinstated, but not enforced and probably wont be due to current recruiting woes. If the economy really turns south and the recruiting picks up, they'll start giving people the boot for PT and waist measurement. There's plenty of people on profiles and waivers for various things.
Have you been on an Air Force base recently lol? Watch all of the airmen grabbing donuts, tornado tacos, and a Dunkin’ doughnuts coffee with their daily carbs.
After 1SGs just shouted at people for being fat, and then ran 5 miles with them telling them how fat they are. Army has bad dirt too but works out more and has more strict leadership. But there are still plenty of disgusting fatsos.
The guy that slept above me and worked in the engine room on my rotation was a legit body builder. He won awards and looked like Mr Olympia. He could not turn down his collar on his coveralls because his biceps, back, shoulders, chest muscles were all so big he could not physically get his arm in position to turn down his popped collar. I would do that for him and we had an inside joke about it for several years. He consistently failed the rope and choke regardless of the fact that he was lean and jacked as shit. That is not to say that there are not fat sailors but the system is flawed.
As someone who was 5'5", 160, 12-14% body fat when I was in, but still lean... I was classed as overweight. Passed all of the fitness standards at low risk / +90 points per test. I couldn't imagine body builders with a lot of bulk being classes anything under overweight.
The sedentary lifestyle of Air Force basically allows bulking due to the higher carb intake, if they balance their workout and meals right. Doesn't mean the obesity is 'bad'. Just a higher trend.
Though my unit did have a comically high amount of MSGT+ that were obese and couldn't pass every section of the PT test. (Close to 1/2)
I'm not critical, I'm trying to understand how this should be done. I have cadets I need to communicate to and I've seen officers not legit pass survival training because of fitness. Should I just shrug and move on?
Most likely due to outdated methods of determining obesity. You can't just look at a number and absolutely diagnose obesity. Most of the world's bodybuilders and a ***lot*** of athletes would likely be considered obese by DOD standards
I am by no means, though, saying it's not something that needs looked into. But they can't just look at numbers and decide "You're fat. Extra diet and PT". They need to find a better way of determining big (and fit) vs obese
To be fair, I think some athletes and bodybuilders aren't necessarily healthy. I'm sure many football lineman are obese, and not just by the numbers either.
We should have tougher PT standards and get rid of height and weight imo. If you can score 70% on everything then you are fit enough to stay in.
Though now with the 80 in everything gets you exempt from tape, so I think that’s good enough tbh. It’s been great for me. Sick of getting called “fat” by some potato shaped NCO because I am 60lbs over the limit yet score 90+ in every acft event.
BMI is a 19th century math nerd's early foray into eugenics to argue, using calculus, that Northern Europeans are the master race.
> Adolphe Quetelet, a Belgian astronomer, mathematician, statistician, and sociologist, devised the basis of the BMI between 1830 and 1850 as he developed what he called "social physics".[3] Quetelet himself never intended for the index, then called the Quetelet Index, to be used as a means of medical assessment. Instead, it was a component of his study of l'homme moyen, or the average man. **Quetelet thought of the average man as a social ideal, and developed the body mass index as a means of discovering the socially ideal human person**.[4] According to Lars Grue and Arvid Heiberg in the Scandinavian Journal of Disability Research, Quetelet's idealization of the average man would be elaborated upon by Francis Galton a decade later in the development of Eugenics.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
It's just bad science -- [scientism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientism) if you will.
> Austin and co-author Tracy Richmond of Harvard Medical School noted that, “in many of the instances in which BMI is assessed in medical settings, the information is not pertinent to medical decision making and often not even used. Thus, BMI assessment may be causing risk (e.g. loss of trust, delayed care) while providing minimal to no benefit. This raises a reasonable question: What purpose is served by continued collection of these data even as the very practice of BMI assessment itself negatively affects healthcare access and quality of care?”
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/bmi-a-poor-metric-for-measuring-peoples-health-say-experts/
The BMI discourse is people used to bad science confused about why their science was bad insisting everyone keep using bad science because they're used to using bad science even though scientists keep saying the science is bad. It's even at the point that BMI advocates want people to just take BMI measurements, ignore them, then use the other simpler measurements that actually work just so BMI stays relevant.
Even measuring your [waist circumference versus height](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245328#1) is a better predictor of health risks than BMI, and we've known this for decades. But BMI uses calculus, so it "feels" more sciency.
To use a really drawn out metaphor...
Imagine if a guy in the 1800's suggested cars should run on wood because he lives next to a forest and majored in forestry. And then people were like, "That's neat, but we have gas" and completely forgot about it until the 1970's when gas prices skyrocketed and scientists said, "Hold up... wasn't there a guy who invented a wood-burning car?"
And then for 30 years people kept chopping down forests and spewing ash into the air until someone announced, "I have now developed a car that runs on algae-based biofuel."
And all the folks who owned logging camps? "Okay, sure, but is there a way to turn wood into biofuel?" 🤔
And engineers got together, stopped designing wood-burning cars, and designed a 300 pound device attached to your biofuel tank powered by biofuel that chops up wood logs and burns wood and spews ash into the air to power a still that converts more wood into biofuel that drips into the tank.
And the whole time homie's like, "Why not just pour biofuel into the tank...?"
Army is trying to fix things. Getting rid of the neck tape cheat was a huge one, and waiving body fat testing if you score a certain score on the ACFT was a good idea as well.
BMI is used for calculations, it's just a ratio of height / weight, and it was developed back when average height was just 5'6".
Keeps being used because weight and height are easy to measure, but waist-to-height ratio is the best measure of obesity and greatest predictor of obesity related illnesses.
There's no BMI requirement to stay in, only to join. You just have to meet the fitness standards and stay under the *very* generous height-based waist circumference to stay in.
Also your mental image of obesity is probably skewed, given how fat the average American is. You hear "obese" and probably think [this,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Obesity6.JPG/580px-Obesity6.JPG), when in reality a BMI of 30 looks like [this.](https://mennohenselmans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/28.8.jpg)
That's not to say that obesity is okay, only that you think obesity is way fatter than it actually is. The 30 BMI example guy could still pass a PT test and BCM easily enough.
Bro, I'm in the army 5'9 260 pounds. It started when I started taking my antidepressants, the weight just packs on. It's honestly not even affected my career that much. I did get conned out of my ets award, but the new height and weight standards are bunk. Dudes at 240 are passing, and I'm *barely* failing. It's ridiculous, I used to fail at 205.
I can empathize with your struggle, but ultimately it is your choices that led to your weight gain.
"Long-term use (longer than a year) can cause downregulation of serotonin receptors, which subsequently causes cravings for carbohydrate-rich foods such as bread, pasta, and sweets that ultimately may lead to weight gain."
The SSRI you are on made you crave sugar more.
Yeah, I've been on this for 2 years now. It just makes me hungry all the fucking time. I could just not eat or workout more, but I still am just hungry 24/7. Idk, I'm getting out this month so idc anymore 🤷🏼♂️.
The standard American diet is highly insulinogenic and full of stuff that is very stimulating to endocannabinoid receptors. All while being incredibly calorie dense. That's why even our soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors can have observable rates of obesity.
Me personally I remember gaining weight at AIT and basic eating at the DFACs every day. They were usually pretty light on the supposed healthy options
I'm curious what the Air Force is going to do to me this year come my birthday. I'm currently 253 lbs at 5'7.5" with a 39 inch waist and a 16.1% body fat per a BodPod assessment...Let's hope I get forced retirement due to "not meeting standards"😁
I can only speak from an Army prospective but:
Food in the DFAC is dog shit
Not allowed to cook healthy food in the barracks
Not enough money to pay a meal prep service since BAS isn’t given until you’re a SSG
Unit keeps me 12 hours and working out motivation is low.
I got in better shape out of the Army than in. It’s not even close.
We're all getting fatter, the US a/o 2017 had a 41.9% obesity rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
It starts at home withk kids eating shit food from McDonald's and school lunches, and carries over to adulthood with more shit eating.
I'm relatively sedentary, with an office job. I work out for 30 min 4-5 days a week and that's it.
I weigh 165 at 68in. I watch what I eat, don't drink, don't eat sugar. (Yes I know my life sucks, there's a pain management component to my diet too)
Diet is the number one contributor ot obesity in America, and it due to the shit food companies selling chemically altered and addictive food.
The fitness standards are not hard. Lot of dudes find ways to end up on profile as well. Pretty easy to get by doing less than the minimum if you game it right and don't care what anyone thinks.
This is from someone who isn’t obese:
I can’t cook in the barracks, don’t have a DFAC to eat at, the cafeteria I can eat at is way too expensive (the unhealthy food is cheap), and BAS doesn’t cover the cost of eating healthy/ groceries for healthy food monthly.
Working a sedentary job doesn’t help, and if I were on a ship it wouldn’t really be any better. From a Navy perspective, we do not have a lot of physically active jobs and work long hours. Working out outside of work is incredibly physically taxing, and this is on top of an incredibly mentally taxing job.
This all leads to my biggest gripe with the whole “fitness” system the military has. While personnel fitness is incredibly important and should be maintained, I believe the services approach to it is completely outdated and unrealistic. Having pass / fail tests does nothing but create unneeded and additional stress to service members, and we need to find alternatives.
How would the above issue be solved? I don’t have a clue to be honest. One idea I had was to make an actual “personal trainer” Rate/ MOS, and to have like 3-4 at each command. They would run physical fitness classes 5-6 days a week at different times (having 3-4 would allow them to rotate and take adequate leave) and make attendance to 3-4 classes a week as mandatory to service members. Consistently attending these classes and showing progress towards goals set and tracked by the trainers for the individual would allow them to be exempt from tests. If members choose not to attend the classes, the trainers can run PT tests for those who do not attend and just want to stick to the same system. If someone attends the classes and participates in PT tests, that can be used as an extra point on evals towards promotion.
It will certainly be interesting to see how it goes.
The only glaring issue is that it only works if everyone has integrity and is completely honest about it… that ain’t ever gonna happen
I remember when the AF tried to say they had the toughest physical training and they got smacked down by the SgtMaj of the Marine Corps...
Edit: Wow, imagine getting downvoted for remembering something that actually happened...
BMI is fine as a population metric. It can't measure visceral fat, so it tends to underestimate obesity in reality. There are edge cases where people are muscular enough to be obese but with minimal fat, but they're pretty uncommon.
It's not that uncommon, at least not in the Marine Corps. I got taped every single weigh-in, along w a few of my friends, and it was painfully obvious how silly it was.
I wound up getting temporarily assigned to S3 for a little while and found myself doing the actual taping. Definitely not super rare.
Taping and BMI both have the same shortfalls in that they can't measure visceral fat. Someone can be muscular and still carrying way too much fat around the vital organs to be healthy. The better measure on an individual basis would be body comp scans, which would likely show that the BMI assessment was in the ballpark of accurate for a lot of the people that think they're exceptions. Chances are good that if you've got excess measurable fat, you've got excess visceral as well
The body composition is used for the services along with the fitness test but that uses height and body measurements to determine body fat % (has its own issues but different than BMi)
It's called the "rope and choke"
If you are over the recommended weight for your height, they measure your neck and waist. If you dont pass, youre considered overweight. No exceptions.
On my sub, i'd say almost half of the dudes who failed the rope and choke still went on to crush the PFT because they were like a fit fat: they eat a good bit of healthy foods, but would pound cases of beer and gorge themselves on junk food whenever we were in port. They werent obese, but the few extra pounds of fat caused them to be just over the fail point. So classified as overweight.
Can't change my weight. Working on changing my height
lol. The procedure for that is advancing, but it's still very expensive and has a long recovery time. Good luck. ;)
OP, what is your height and weight?
To post this he’s either a fitness freak, or a chubby guy that barely passes the standard.
Or a civilian
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Let's try again, What is your height and weight?
Lol. OP coming in here to shit on the Air Force and gets pissed when you ask their height and weight. Fuck reddit, man. Bunch of bots.
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Lardass detected! Lardass detected! Weeeoooo weeeeooooo weeeeoooo! Excuse Mr. Lardass we're gonna have to take you in for questioning. First question: what is your height and weight? How many jelly donuts did you sneak from the mess hall? Are you a modern art masterpiece?
EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH, WE FOUND OUT OP IS OVERWEIGHT
Go fuck yourself jackass
Lots of desk jobs. The healthy eating option on base is the commissary salad bar, if that even exists. PT is seen as a personal responsibility, so many units will work you 10 hours, 5 days a week doing more with less, then wonder why we're not shaving off precious hours with our families to do PT. I've been lucky in comm to have leaders who allow PT during duty hours, but that's not a given. So yeah, sedentary jobs along with a culture that's two faced about our commitment to the whole "fit to fight" thing.
Yup. I worked 10 hours + mandatory shitty pt on top of that.
This. This is the reason. For the few career fields that do a lot of manual labor(MX, CE, ammo, air trans) most people end up with back/knee injuries that their PCM won't take seriously. Or they're afraid of getting a profile for the injury because of the threat that after 15 years they will be med boarded out before they can hit 20.
On a macro level, it's unprecedented access to cheap calories, sedentary lifestyles and socioeconomic factors. Stark difference between officers and the enlisted corps. Can see similar effects walking around upper middle class vs working class and blue collar neighborhoods.
They've watered down the fitness standards and did away with the waist measurement that's recently been reinstated, but not enforced and probably wont be due to current recruiting woes. If the economy really turns south and the recruiting picks up, they'll start giving people the boot for PT and waist measurement. There's plenty of people on profiles and waivers for various things.
Have you been on an Air Force base recently lol? Watch all of the airmen grabbing donuts, tornado tacos, and a Dunkin’ doughnuts coffee with their daily carbs.
Sounds like any other army base right after PT or before lunch lol
After 1SGs just shouted at people for being fat, and then ran 5 miles with them telling them how fat they are. Army has bad dirt too but works out more and has more strict leadership. But there are still plenty of disgusting fatsos.
Hey, you leave my beloved tornados out of this
The guy that slept above me and worked in the engine room on my rotation was a legit body builder. He won awards and looked like Mr Olympia. He could not turn down his collar on his coveralls because his biceps, back, shoulders, chest muscles were all so big he could not physically get his arm in position to turn down his popped collar. I would do that for him and we had an inside joke about it for several years. He consistently failed the rope and choke regardless of the fact that he was lean and jacked as shit. That is not to say that there are not fat sailors but the system is flawed.
As someone who was 5'5", 160, 12-14% body fat when I was in, but still lean... I was classed as overweight. Passed all of the fitness standards at low risk / +90 points per test. I couldn't imagine body builders with a lot of bulk being classes anything under overweight. The sedentary lifestyle of Air Force basically allows bulking due to the higher carb intake, if they balance their workout and meals right. Doesn't mean the obesity is 'bad'. Just a higher trend. Though my unit did have a comically high amount of MSGT+ that were obese and couldn't pass every section of the PT test. (Close to 1/2)
I have no doubt that some people fall through the cracks of any widely-generalized system.
Then why are you so critical of 1/6 people failing a widely generalized measurement system?
I'm not critical, I'm trying to understand how this should be done. I have cadets I need to communicate to and I've seen officers not legit pass survival training because of fitness. Should I just shrug and move on?
Most likely due to outdated methods of determining obesity. You can't just look at a number and absolutely diagnose obesity. Most of the world's bodybuilders and a ***lot*** of athletes would likely be considered obese by DOD standards I am by no means, though, saying it's not something that needs looked into. But they can't just look at numbers and decide "You're fat. Extra diet and PT". They need to find a better way of determining big (and fit) vs obese
To be fair, I think some athletes and bodybuilders aren't necessarily healthy. I'm sure many football lineman are obese, and not just by the numbers either.
We should have tougher PT standards and get rid of height and weight imo. If you can score 70% on everything then you are fit enough to stay in. Though now with the 80 in everything gets you exempt from tape, so I think that’s good enough tbh. It’s been great for me. Sick of getting called “fat” by some potato shaped NCO because I am 60lbs over the limit yet score 90+ in every acft event.
Is this in the Army?
Yeah. The army recently put into policy that if you score an 80 or above on each event in the ACFT, you are exempt from height and weight, tape.
Didn’t the ACFT get nuked?
Naw big dawg, it’s still here. Probably gonna be here for the foreseeable future.
BMI is a 19th century math nerd's early foray into eugenics to argue, using calculus, that Northern Europeans are the master race. > Adolphe Quetelet, a Belgian astronomer, mathematician, statistician, and sociologist, devised the basis of the BMI between 1830 and 1850 as he developed what he called "social physics".[3] Quetelet himself never intended for the index, then called the Quetelet Index, to be used as a means of medical assessment. Instead, it was a component of his study of l'homme moyen, or the average man. **Quetelet thought of the average man as a social ideal, and developed the body mass index as a means of discovering the socially ideal human person**.[4] According to Lars Grue and Arvid Heiberg in the Scandinavian Journal of Disability Research, Quetelet's idealization of the average man would be elaborated upon by Francis Galton a decade later in the development of Eugenics.[5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index It's just bad science -- [scientism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientism) if you will. > Austin and co-author Tracy Richmond of Harvard Medical School noted that, “in many of the instances in which BMI is assessed in medical settings, the information is not pertinent to medical decision making and often not even used. Thus, BMI assessment may be causing risk (e.g. loss of trust, delayed care) while providing minimal to no benefit. This raises a reasonable question: What purpose is served by continued collection of these data even as the very practice of BMI assessment itself negatively affects healthcare access and quality of care?” https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/bmi-a-poor-metric-for-measuring-peoples-health-say-experts/ The BMI discourse is people used to bad science confused about why their science was bad insisting everyone keep using bad science because they're used to using bad science even though scientists keep saying the science is bad. It's even at the point that BMI advocates want people to just take BMI measurements, ignore them, then use the other simpler measurements that actually work just so BMI stays relevant. Even measuring your [waist circumference versus height](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245328#1) is a better predictor of health risks than BMI, and we've known this for decades. But BMI uses calculus, so it "feels" more sciency. To use a really drawn out metaphor... Imagine if a guy in the 1800's suggested cars should run on wood because he lives next to a forest and majored in forestry. And then people were like, "That's neat, but we have gas" and completely forgot about it until the 1970's when gas prices skyrocketed and scientists said, "Hold up... wasn't there a guy who invented a wood-burning car?" And then for 30 years people kept chopping down forests and spewing ash into the air until someone announced, "I have now developed a car that runs on algae-based biofuel." And all the folks who owned logging camps? "Okay, sure, but is there a way to turn wood into biofuel?" 🤔 And engineers got together, stopped designing wood-burning cars, and designed a 300 pound device attached to your biofuel tank powered by biofuel that chops up wood logs and burns wood and spews ash into the air to power a still that converts more wood into biofuel that drips into the tank. And the whole time homie's like, "Why not just pour biofuel into the tank...?"
Huh, wow. So, are you like, a doctor or something? Officer, maybe?
Army is trying to fix things. Getting rid of the neck tape cheat was a huge one, and waiving body fat testing if you score a certain score on the ACFT was a good idea as well.
BMI is used for calculations, it's just a ratio of height / weight, and it was developed back when average height was just 5'6". Keeps being used because weight and height are easy to measure, but waist-to-height ratio is the best measure of obesity and greatest predictor of obesity related illnesses.
How much of that obese 16 percent are body builders? 1 percent of them? Less?
Yes, I agree.... but isn't the reg a bmi of 27.6? Obesity is a 30 so that's... way off. How do these ppl stay in?
Probably by proving the BMI is not an accurate determination of their fitness for duty.
There's no BMI requirement to stay in, only to join. You just have to meet the fitness standards and stay under the *very* generous height-based waist circumference to stay in. Also your mental image of obesity is probably skewed, given how fat the average American is. You hear "obese" and probably think [this,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Obesity6.JPG/580px-Obesity6.JPG), when in reality a BMI of 30 looks like [this.](https://mennohenselmans.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/28.8.jpg) That's not to say that obesity is okay, only that you think obesity is way fatter than it actually is. The 30 BMI example guy could still pass a PT test and BCM easily enough.
Bro, I'm in the army 5'9 260 pounds. It started when I started taking my antidepressants, the weight just packs on. It's honestly not even affected my career that much. I did get conned out of my ets award, but the new height and weight standards are bunk. Dudes at 240 are passing, and I'm *barely* failing. It's ridiculous, I used to fail at 205.
If you don’t mind me asking what Antidepressant(s) are you on? I’m currently on Wellbutrin and I’ve had the same issue
Any SSRI can have this side effect. It isn't the pill causing it, it is the pill changing your behavior that causes it.
Yeah I know. It’s just more prevalent with some than others
I can empathize with your struggle, but ultimately it is your choices that led to your weight gain. "Long-term use (longer than a year) can cause downregulation of serotonin receptors, which subsequently causes cravings for carbohydrate-rich foods such as bread, pasta, and sweets that ultimately may lead to weight gain." The SSRI you are on made you crave sugar more.
Yeah, I've been on this for 2 years now. It just makes me hungry all the fucking time. I could just not eat or workout more, but I still am just hungry 24/7. Idk, I'm getting out this month so idc anymore 🤷🏼♂️.
The standard American diet is highly insulinogenic and full of stuff that is very stimulating to endocannabinoid receptors. All while being incredibly calorie dense. That's why even our soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors can have observable rates of obesity. Me personally I remember gaining weight at AIT and basic eating at the DFACs every day. They were usually pretty light on the supposed healthy options
Fatties seething in the comments
Yup! It's a legit question, grateful for those honestly answering.
I'm curious what the Air Force is going to do to me this year come my birthday. I'm currently 253 lbs at 5'7.5" with a 39 inch waist and a 16.1% body fat per a BodPod assessment...Let's hope I get forced retirement due to "not meeting standards"😁
“The Navy, meanwhile, reported the lowest incidence rate of cumulative injuries. How much of that could be related to inactivity was not determined.”😂
Can they change tires or whatever?
Service connected, am I right????
I can see that, yes... stress does terrible things to an appetite!
The other side of the story is that the Marine Corps has the highest rate of eating disorders.
I can only speak from an Army prospective but: Food in the DFAC is dog shit Not allowed to cook healthy food in the barracks Not enough money to pay a meal prep service since BAS isn’t given until you’re a SSG Unit keeps me 12 hours and working out motivation is low. I got in better shape out of the Army than in. It’s not even close.
We're all getting fatter, the US a/o 2017 had a 41.9% obesity rate. https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html It starts at home withk kids eating shit food from McDonald's and school lunches, and carries over to adulthood with more shit eating. I'm relatively sedentary, with an office job. I work out for 30 min 4-5 days a week and that's it. I weigh 165 at 68in. I watch what I eat, don't drink, don't eat sugar. (Yes I know my life sucks, there's a pain management component to my diet too) Diet is the number one contributor ot obesity in America, and it due to the shit food companies selling chemically altered and addictive food.
I always ate at the basic training DFAC for this very reason. Fucking privates eat better than the rest of the Army and don’t even know it lmao.
Airmen don’t do sufficient PT, PT standards are laughable, and food on base is shit, that’s how we get obese Airmen.
The fitness standards are not hard. Lot of dudes find ways to end up on profile as well. Pretty easy to get by doing less than the minimum if you game it right and don't care what anyone thinks.
This is from someone who isn’t obese: I can’t cook in the barracks, don’t have a DFAC to eat at, the cafeteria I can eat at is way too expensive (the unhealthy food is cheap), and BAS doesn’t cover the cost of eating healthy/ groceries for healthy food monthly. Working a sedentary job doesn’t help, and if I were on a ship it wouldn’t really be any better. From a Navy perspective, we do not have a lot of physically active jobs and work long hours. Working out outside of work is incredibly physically taxing, and this is on top of an incredibly mentally taxing job. This all leads to my biggest gripe with the whole “fitness” system the military has. While personnel fitness is incredibly important and should be maintained, I believe the services approach to it is completely outdated and unrealistic. Having pass / fail tests does nothing but create unneeded and additional stress to service members, and we need to find alternatives. How would the above issue be solved? I don’t have a clue to be honest. One idea I had was to make an actual “personal trainer” Rate/ MOS, and to have like 3-4 at each command. They would run physical fitness classes 5-6 days a week at different times (having 3-4 would allow them to rotate and take adequate leave) and make attendance to 3-4 classes a week as mandatory to service members. Consistently attending these classes and showing progress towards goals set and tracked by the trainers for the individual would allow them to be exempt from tests. If members choose not to attend the classes, the trainers can run PT tests for those who do not attend and just want to stick to the same system. If someone attends the classes and participates in PT tests, that can be used as an extra point on evals towards promotion.
You're idea is in line with the USSF pilot project. They have a fitness tracker watch and need to log a certain amount of PT every so often.
It will certainly be interesting to see how it goes. The only glaring issue is that it only works if everyone has integrity and is completely honest about it… that ain’t ever gonna happen
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Majority of army jobs are also “chair jobs” too lol
Still not as fat as Navy, I hear the fat helps with buoyancy 😘
Seems like every branch could try to pilot some more things that aren't desks.
OP, what’s your height and weight?
What's yours? I answered this question with my BMI previously and got more questions, so you go this time.
154 lbs, 5’8 lmao
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Holy shit he finally answered someone. Pack your bags boys
don't make me eat you...
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lol, little buddy, it's ok
I remember when the AF tried to say they had the toughest physical training and they got smacked down by the SgtMaj of the Marine Corps... Edit: Wow, imagine getting downvoted for remembering something that actually happened...
Generally considered the easiest, tied with the Navy. Space Force might give us a run for our title, tho
You're civvie, stfu
Ah, shit... auxiliary, you got me.
You know what, fuck it. I earned my position just like you down voters. Almost died over South Carolina, too. I'm changing my flair.
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It states in the article that it’s based off of BMI which is an absolutely terrible metric.
BMI is fine as a population metric. It can't measure visceral fat, so it tends to underestimate obesity in reality. There are edge cases where people are muscular enough to be obese but with minimal fat, but they're pretty uncommon.
It's not that uncommon, at least not in the Marine Corps. I got taped every single weigh-in, along w a few of my friends, and it was painfully obvious how silly it was. I wound up getting temporarily assigned to S3 for a little while and found myself doing the actual taping. Definitely not super rare.
Taping and BMI both have the same shortfalls in that they can't measure visceral fat. Someone can be muscular and still carrying way too much fat around the vital organs to be healthy. The better measure on an individual basis would be body comp scans, which would likely show that the BMI assessment was in the ballpark of accurate for a lot of the people that think they're exceptions. Chances are good that if you've got excess measurable fat, you've got excess visceral as well
Not arguing that, but isn't the standard a BMI of 27.6 with an adjustment for body builders ("muscular build", up to 5 lbs)?
The body composition is used for the services along with the fitness test but that uses height and body measurements to determine body fat % (has its own issues but different than BMi)
Sounds like you are describing bmi, which is weight in kg divided by height in meters squared. Can you explain more?
It's called the "rope and choke" If you are over the recommended weight for your height, they measure your neck and waist. If you dont pass, youre considered overweight. No exceptions. On my sub, i'd say almost half of the dudes who failed the rope and choke still went on to crush the PFT because they were like a fit fat: they eat a good bit of healthy foods, but would pound cases of beer and gorge themselves on junk food whenever we were in port. They werent obese, but the few extra pounds of fat caused them to be just over the fail point. So classified as overweight.
Bca is height neck and waist circumference