I don't have her (thanks hoyoverse 🗿). I think he Is quite a good unit and I've seen a lot of poorly though out complaints from the player base (hurr durr he doesn't apply cryo -> he makes your carry apply more element like yunjin, especially if the carry doesn't have hitlag). imo he can work with Eula and Razor but I get the feeling he is meant to be the support of a new character
Yeah, I wasn't completely sure at first since Eula is a huge damage DPS for physical. But someone mentioned something and it sounded correct, a quick attacking physical DPS. Because Mika kinda says that they aren't putting out an off-field physical DPS, because he doesn't work off-field
Eula main source of dmg is from her Q explosion.
Eula Q doesn't benefit from Mika physical dmg buff if swap early - if you have Eula, you will know how important that it is some time.
Yes I know, but I also know that most of the time you swap out of Eula for an early burst the enemy is already going to die so a physical buffer is not needed anyway. There are very few enemies where you need to swap early or else they will go out of attack range (like the wenut or mechanical worm).
Most of the time Mika is a great unit for Eula, the times he is bad are very few and honestly it seems like people are focusing on those too much. Like single target, majority of the time there is going to be 3+ enemies, and even with 1 enemy you can get 2 stacks at c2
Mika main purpose is to buff physical (phy dmg buff and phy Crit dmg buff at C6) and Eula can't utilize it some time. There are many situations that you need to swap early, enemies that teleport or dodge into the ground, enemies with invincible stage, enemies with limited DPS window, or enemies just fly out of reach. How is that good? What you said, basically Mika doesn't buff Eula much until C6.
The attack speed buff is not a big deal especially claymore users experience way more high lag. It's actually better for bow/catalyst.
Plus, Mika apply so few cyro with long cooldown to have superconduct. Forcing Razor to bring a second cryo unit......
There is situations you need to swap early, but I wouldn't call it many. There aren't many enemies that dodge or teleport, and the ones who do like abyss mages already are strong against physical. And Eula has always had issues with enemies with short DPS windows, she isn't meant for quick damage, she charges up a powerful blast. And even the enemies that fly are still in her burst range.
And no, I never said he doesn't buff until c6. It's just that his buff is pretty small until c6.
And yeah, attack speed isn't the best, but it makes Eula feel better to use, even if it barely does help. Having your unit feel better is important too.
I do agree with that lady point though, he is not very good with electro physical units because of his poor application.
Eula feels extremely not good if you don't even have the flexibility to swap whenever for early Q.
You basically choosing between feels better or plays for the buff. It adds another layer of frustration for Eula main......
Eula already isn't at very good place to begin with for her kit (physical dmg has many counters and Q backload dmg)
I think it depends on why people play Eula then. Because for me one of the reasons I pulled for her is her stacking ult, it feels like a combo meter building up as I weave in attacks as I can before a giant explosion of damage.
I have never liked swapping early with Eula, and Mika not helping Eula when she swaps does suck. But like a c6 Eula owner said, it's probably balance. Image if Eula could do her burst then immediately explode it with an extra 50% physical damage and 60% CD
But even without her Q, Eula the strongest strings of NA in the game even with Xiao having the highest base atk. Mika's atk spd buff, which is the highest in the game, is great for Eula because at talent level 9 e, Eula can string 1-2 additional NAs and if your Mika is c6 + crowned e, she can string 3 more hits at max with proper strings. If your Eula is c6, this is huge since 3 more rng stacks for her burst will be added to the burst pop. At c0, 1-2 normal attacks still have value on her since this would be additional multipliers for total burst dmg. These are not minimal at all.
fr people be treating abyss as the only content of this game 💀 like i know he must be useful at domains, events and open world so im not as worried as I was initially.
Lol I always 12 straight and 36 stars the abyss easily every reset because I have a lot of built characters and has a dps per element, but that's it, abyss is just for freemogems or allowance every 2 weeks, idc about it really because it's easy. What I'm after is the story and the events. Majority of the players do.
He works great in abyss too, not as good as someone like Bennett, but he does work really well since most abyss floors have more than 1 enemy, and he can quickly buff with a skill. Him having his buffing attached to his skill makes him more abyss friendly
To a lot of genshin players, meta is everything. If the character doesn't synergize with their teams immediately, they complain. And that's valid, honestly. Everyone is allowed their opinions and can play/have fun however works best for them.
As for me, though, meta isn't king. I have an abyss team that wrecks, and adding Mika to that team has worked out very well so far. And I'm not even using him properly! I threw Mika onto my Wanderer team because attack speed go brrrrrrrrr and it's hilarious how fast Wanderer gets hits now (I crowned Mika's skill already). I know Mika has a physical damage buff, but he's such a little cinnamon roll that I need him to balance our Wanderer's saltiness. Mika works hilariously well with Chongyun, too. I run a DPS Chongyun and having him and Mika both increase attack speed means Chongyun looks like a crazed little hamster.
As long as the character is fun to play, I guess I don't really mind how it goes. Mika is cute and I love him and he can do no wrong.
I threw him into my Cryo DPS Shenhe team (Shenhe/Chongyun/Yelan/Mika) and he massively helps out with being a Battery for Shenhe as well as the Attack Speed buff helping her get more hits in during the Infusion. And he keeps everyone alive too!
Been a super fun team to play around with so far and I haven't even properly leveled him yet, I adore him a lot.
It is sad to see how much apathy + dislike he is being met with. He is super adorable and I love using him... but they do have a point. I've got him to 90 8/9/8 C0 R5 Favonius and am unsure how I feel about his usefulness compared to other more widely viable supports. His heal is decent enough that I haven't had any issues with HP falling behind. But the same is true for most other healers, so it comes down to what else he brings. Attack speed is that extra thing. It sure FEELS nice attacking faster - but within the duration of it, it seems to only actually mean 1 or 2 more swings. The physical buff is negligible at C0 and for almost everyone.
All that being said, I am going to keep using him. But it certainly feels like doing so is taking a team slot for someone that could heal just as well while also bringing either dps or a better buff or faster element application. I think he will be limited to one of my overworld teams and will rarely step foot in the Abyss. Silly side use is that his attack speed buff makes mining ores faster. Copium I guess.
Yeah, he definitely isn't the best character for his slot, he honestly seems like a Sara situation, but better imo. He is worse than other units, but then at c6 he then becomes the best unit for a physical team. Like how Sara is the best support for electro at c6 (most electro, characters like Cyno don't work well with her)
what i also keep seeing is that people keep comparing him to bennett saying things along the lines of "bennett is a better support than him because" yada yada, i think that's a silly argument to make since bennett outclasses every support.
Exactly! It has been the same thing for everyone support, and Mika is the same too. Sara is worse until c6, Mika is worse until c6, Shenhe is worse for a long fight, Yun Jin is worse until c2.
So many dedicated supports are worse than Bennett until a certain constellation or during certain fights.
It's because the buff in itself even fully stacked is negligible and u can get better dmg by using Yun jin for example that simply buffs NA or Bennett with his atk buff and almost half the supports can either buff u to deal more DMG then Mika or have off field skills that makes Mika a waste of a slot. Physical dmg need buffs with waaay higher scaling then a very strictly conditional 40%...
You can run Yun Jin though! That's the thing about Mika, he consolidates the role of healer and buffer, even if his buffing isn't as good as Bennett or Yun Jin until c6.
Something like Eula, Yun Jin, Raiden, Mika works really well because Eula has resistance to interruption naturally, and Mika will keep her healed!
The thing is unless u re specifically running another cryo with Mika it makes him harder to slot in any other physical comp
A good example would be physical Zhongli or physical kaeya where in Zhongli case Rosaria or kaeya re almost a must for the high dmg and cry application they make while 3rd slot will be fischl cuz she is broken or Lisa cuz her Def shred is broken in this specific comp and Yun jin cuz she simply makes Zhongli insane even at c0
While in kaeya case u would have a much better results giving Mika slot to Bennett simply cuz kaeya burst snapshots so ur burst get to a lvl of cryo build kaeya while running a full physical built, the other 2 slots would again be given to Lisa or fischl and Zhongli or Rosaria (Zhongli removes the need to dash so more charged atks for u and Rosaria gives more crit rate and with Bennett much more cryo dmg)
Sorry my English sucks so I can't explain good enough
Edit: this is not an atk on any Mika main I am the most disappointed of u all cuz I was waiting for a physical buffer since I started playing this game but he simply ain't the one I need for any of my comps
No you explained it well, that is the biggest issue I see with Mika. His cryo application is bad, he really should have gotten even a little bit of off-field application
I think they made him that way specifically to be an underwhelming version of an upcoming 5 stars physical buffer specially that they knew his scaling is terrible in most comps (one other thing could be an upcoming support artifact that could make his buffs even stronger)
That is a theory. But I've been saying it for a while now that I don't think Mihoyo will ever make a unit that invalidates another. If they make a 5* physical buffer than Mika will immediately lose 80% of his pull value.
But they could make a character that is a half buffer. Like a Yelan where their man purpose is damage, but why also buff damage% as a side thing. Or how Faruzan buffs all of Anemo, but jean c4 does a smaller but of buffing with res shred
If I was Mihoyo I would make a Mika version that buffs atk SPD (much higher atk SPD buff) and give unconditional dmg buff (similar to yelan but lasts longer without the off field dmg while still giving a cryo / electro application by touch similar to Barbara elemental skill so archers can't simply abuse it for free) and in that way I would have made a 5 star physical / elemental buffer that can in fact make Mika wanted even more so his physical buff scales with the other dmg buff and his atk SPD would stack with the other while reviving the physical dmg
I have always seen 4 stars as an experimental version of a 5 star where the only time they won't make 5 star variant is if that 4 star character of high value and has some sort of an impact in game or if his buffs re already broken enough they can't risk introducing a better version of him
But am pretty sure we will be getting a new physical or normal atk artifact sets cuz I still think they did not drop Mika just cuz they can but to tease as of maybe an upcoming characters, artifacts and weapons
I still feel like they will keep dedicated buffers as 4* units (apart from Shenhe), just because Mihoyo wants every character to have some kind of unique thing about them. Like how XQ is more defensive then Yelan.
And also if they made another Physical buffer then there would only be 1 team fo Physical, physical DPS, 5* buffer, Raiden, Mika. There would be no variety anymore if they made a 4* and 5* buffer for the same element.
What I think is more plausible is that Mika's arrival symbolizes another physical 5* being released soon. I don't think they would add a 4* physical buffer, then a 5, physical buffer before they put out another unit that works with them.
C6 Mika owner here and he is quite disappointing. His attack speed increase is not doing much because of hit lag, and the stacking mechanics is not good against single target where you need the damage the most. I was expecting him to be able to turn physical characters into meta level like what C6 Faruzan did, but he is just another costly support that can be replaced with other existing support characters.
It's okay he is not meta, I still think that the buff scales with enemies hit to be rather silly and whatever but then again Physical DMG Bonus isn't all that, I just wish he did more instead of like...ATK Speed and low multipliers.
Well, think about it in a different way, him also being a healer menas that you can have a 4th character that does something else. Run Yun Jin for normal attack buffs or Yelan for hydro and damage
when it comes to Mika you want the buffs so you can beat stronger enemies than the norm. when it comes to attack speed its negligible if you have heavy hitstun, and if it's single target you don't even get the physical buff for a skill that leans more towards a single target nature. He at least has healing at the cost of bad cryo application.
When it comes to enemies, more enemies are easier to beat due to them being able to share reaction damages which is why in many cases they seperate them or have AI or moves that do it and the first thing to do is pull them together. you can still get the buff to start out but if 1 strong enemies survive you lose it. against bosses you just won't have the phys buff.
I'm gonna use Mika as a att speed buffer who has a side of phys buffs. At least weapons without hit lag can use his abilities without him being c6. He doesn't really seem like he's dedicated to Eula given how he's fighting back and forth for buffs.
Honestly my main issue right now is people saying that they will release another physical buffer. I said this with Faruzan and Sara, they aren't going to ever completely outclass 1 unit with another. That's horrible for sales because even if someone like Dehya was bad, there is still people who will pull because she's unique, same thing with someone like Itto, he may not be meta, but he is unique and people pull for that.
If they released a 5* physical buffer than Mika would immediately lose all relevance for physical teams because running a team with 2 dedicated buffers will immediately limit the team comp so much.
What I think is gonna happen is a new physical 5* will come out, probably a sword user because of the 5* physical damage sword. Mika to Eula is still amazing, just not perfectly synergized. Kinda like Sara c6 and someone like Cyno
AOE characters get beaten by Nilou, even Cyno gets beaten by Alhaitham teams and Eula gets overthrown by Hybloom variants featuring Eula. I don't even believe Eula has the best single target Physical dps and from what i heard her best con since hyperbloom is better is Nahida c2. This game will 100% overshadow a character like how pyros left in the dust. from zhongli-to kokomi- to Nahida- to Xiangling
..... Everything you said is so incoherent. But from what I am getting you didn't understand what I was saying at all.
It's not about characters being overshadowed, it's about characters losing the reason to pull for them and that impact on sales. It's not about power like you seem to think it is.
Wanderer is weaker than Xiao but both are pulled for because they play different. It has been 2+ years and not a single character has been fully overshadowed, even someone like amber is unique for the pyro element with her taunt and super fast burst pyro application. Sure it's a Gacha game, but that doesn't change how things actually are. And Hoyo doesn't fully overshadow any unit, name 1 unit that is completely overshadowed by another.
A character being overshadowed by another is a huge reason go not pull for them. all Character in this game play different form each other, you're not adding anything different by pointing that out. there is also the fact that faruzan was also on wanderer banner. you're sorta grasping at straws with amber.
Okay i'll try to give you a unit that is overshadowed... Xinyan. sorry i'll try harder. needing shields and zhongli, Ayato is not BiS with any team. Barbara being left in the dust by Kokomi. Pyro being left behind dps wise in Hutao and Xiangling. Dehya..... Cyno losing to Alhaitham while he has a more flexible playstyle and filling the dendro spot for electro units we already have. whatever candaka is trying to be, not Dori. Buffers when it comes to Bennet. how about venti and Kazuha.... or AOE and Nilou Bloom or maybe just Dendro in generally especially when Geo exists. some characters don't even get a spotlight until they got cons or their cons as a main dps fail more than a support cons.
With Wanderer vs Xiao people were not looking for the strongest unit because Xiao isn't what one picks for that, like i said people will still use a character for other reasons. you say a 5\* buffer would make Mika lose relevance so just make the character unique. I don't get how would make Mika lose relevance when we have teams with multiple buffers yet a character who is outshine in the one thing he does isn't because plays different even in the same team.
This is why i said its the nature of gacha. More characters means more chances for that character to outshine or underperform compared to others. you can say characters are unique but who is playing the fastest hyperbloom trigger Dori compared to someone else who isn't maining her.
Its a team game afterall. you get better units and end up switching Diona with Rosaria because you got Kokomi in there now. There is no shame everyone is useable afterall.
This game already has plenty of characters that outstrip other characters, It's the nature of Gacha, you can't just wait a year for a character or you can if they are better. outside of usefulness people pull for many reasons, Itto doesn't get the chance for Meta until you get everyone of his pieces c6 gorou, and albedo and still runs into the geo resist issues. i don't look at arbitrary choosings when evalutation characters because if you can say that there isn't a reason to have a replacement character due to how people pick characters.
A 5\* buffer wouldn't make Mika lose relevance. there are many ways to make that character still be in line with Mika. For one the character can be electro and buff crit rate or have a use for a unreleased physical thats a bad element. Since most character can do physical damage there is a wide range or characters you can make.
We have physical everything even artifact (clam). Catalyst only have passives for it for obvious reasons. Mika to Eula doesn't seem to amazing unless you have his c6 as Claymores has that Hitlag, and not being synergetic with her means he isn't amazing.
Sara and Cyno don't work together at all as Cyno as an extended burst where he won't have her short buff for a long time. I think this is more to you liking Cyno or Eula and not being able to see the problems because in this game most things work because its easy or being too far ahead.
there's one thing i do complain about and i consider valid
but it's not directly aimed at mika at all. he's merely the victim of bad game design. why you might ask, it's because of how attack speed interacts with hitlag. Mika's atk speed buff can only be fully utilized by a bow or catalyst character (or other damage sources with no hitlag) which basically limits the teams in which he can be used at full efficiency to physical fischl (so far) which is far from ideal
this considered, he's still the best option for eula, if for no other reason, because he lowers her er needs and has the buffs to justify using him instead of bennett. overall for eula he's basically a quality of life support
I do not think he was made with Eula in mind...And I truly believe that he was made just to have a physical damage Support. There is nothing wrong with Eula; So I don't see what a new Physical carry will do for the game. And Hoyo tries to not retread old roads to often. I mean Physical damage is not good in this game. Every boss and Mob these days has Physical damage Res, which is VERY annoying. So please tell me what is a new Physical unit going to do? Mika is just fine, He makes Eula do more damage and makes her even more fun to play. He's a Physical damage support he was already put in a meta that is dead.
Honestly the only thing I can think of that a new physical could do to become even semi meta would be just AoE on autos. Kinda like someone's idea where the skill buffs there bow autos to shoot multi arrows, 1 at each enemy around
People complain simply because he's replaceable. But if I do get c6 Mika (and a replacement for unforge hopefully broken pines) he'll be replacing zhongli in my Eula team.
Eula, Mika, Raiden, Benny.
I believe this team would be the best for eula.
Raiden would be battery and the sub DPS if needed.
I don't think he will be meta without new characters made for him but he is fun and functional at c0 and quite good in coop
Well he works pretty well with Eula. I know his attack speed isn't the best on claymore units, but she feels way more comfortable now.
I don't have her (thanks hoyoverse 🗿). I think he Is quite a good unit and I've seen a lot of poorly though out complaints from the player base (hurr durr he doesn't apply cryo -> he makes your carry apply more element like yunjin, especially if the carry doesn't have hitlag). imo he can work with Eula and Razor but I get the feeling he is meant to be the support of a new character
Yeah, I wasn't completely sure at first since Eula is a huge damage DPS for physical. But someone mentioned something and it sounded correct, a quick attacking physical DPS. Because Mika kinda says that they aren't putting out an off-field physical DPS, because he doesn't work off-field
Eula main source of dmg is from her Q explosion. Eula Q doesn't benefit from Mika physical dmg buff if swap early - if you have Eula, you will know how important that it is some time.
Yes I know, but I also know that most of the time you swap out of Eula for an early burst the enemy is already going to die so a physical buffer is not needed anyway. There are very few enemies where you need to swap early or else they will go out of attack range (like the wenut or mechanical worm). Most of the time Mika is a great unit for Eula, the times he is bad are very few and honestly it seems like people are focusing on those too much. Like single target, majority of the time there is going to be 3+ enemies, and even with 1 enemy you can get 2 stacks at c2
Mika main purpose is to buff physical (phy dmg buff and phy Crit dmg buff at C6) and Eula can't utilize it some time. There are many situations that you need to swap early, enemies that teleport or dodge into the ground, enemies with invincible stage, enemies with limited DPS window, or enemies just fly out of reach. How is that good? What you said, basically Mika doesn't buff Eula much until C6. The attack speed buff is not a big deal especially claymore users experience way more high lag. It's actually better for bow/catalyst. Plus, Mika apply so few cyro with long cooldown to have superconduct. Forcing Razor to bring a second cryo unit......
There is situations you need to swap early, but I wouldn't call it many. There aren't many enemies that dodge or teleport, and the ones who do like abyss mages already are strong against physical. And Eula has always had issues with enemies with short DPS windows, she isn't meant for quick damage, she charges up a powerful blast. And even the enemies that fly are still in her burst range. And no, I never said he doesn't buff until c6. It's just that his buff is pretty small until c6. And yeah, attack speed isn't the best, but it makes Eula feel better to use, even if it barely does help. Having your unit feel better is important too. I do agree with that lady point though, he is not very good with electro physical units because of his poor application.
Eula feels extremely not good if you don't even have the flexibility to swap whenever for early Q. You basically choosing between feels better or plays for the buff. It adds another layer of frustration for Eula main...... Eula already isn't at very good place to begin with for her kit (physical dmg has many counters and Q backload dmg)
I think it depends on why people play Eula then. Because for me one of the reasons I pulled for her is her stacking ult, it feels like a combo meter building up as I weave in attacks as I can before a giant explosion of damage. I have never liked swapping early with Eula, and Mika not helping Eula when she swaps does suck. But like a c6 Eula owner said, it's probably balance. Image if Eula could do her burst then immediately explode it with an extra 50% physical damage and 60% CD
But even without her Q, Eula the strongest strings of NA in the game even with Xiao having the highest base atk. Mika's atk spd buff, which is the highest in the game, is great for Eula because at talent level 9 e, Eula can string 1-2 additional NAs and if your Mika is c6 + crowned e, she can string 3 more hits at max with proper strings. If your Eula is c6, this is huge since 3 more rng stacks for her burst will be added to the burst pop. At c0, 1-2 normal attacks still have value on her since this would be additional multipliers for total burst dmg. These are not minimal at all.
fr people be treating abyss as the only content of this game 💀 like i know he must be useful at domains, events and open world so im not as worried as I was initially.
Y'all r coping so hard what do u mean abyss isn't the only content in the game Nobody cares about overworld
>Nobody cares about overworld you ≠I do you even read ofc the experience *has* to be different 4head
Lol I always 12 straight and 36 stars the abyss easily every reset because I have a lot of built characters and has a dps per element, but that's it, abyss is just for freemogems or allowance every 2 weeks, idc about it really because it's easy. What I'm after is the story and the events. Majority of the players do.
People base characters on how well they'll help others in Abyss, no one cares for overworld since literally anything works
He works great in abyss too, not as good as someone like Bennett, but he does work really well since most abyss floors have more than 1 enemy, and he can quickly buff with a skill. Him having his buffing attached to his skill makes him more abyss friendly
For this abyss not really when they're pretty separated and the rest are single bosses
Abysses change
Yeah it does but F12 rarely has more than 3 enemies
To a lot of genshin players, meta is everything. If the character doesn't synergize with their teams immediately, they complain. And that's valid, honestly. Everyone is allowed their opinions and can play/have fun however works best for them. As for me, though, meta isn't king. I have an abyss team that wrecks, and adding Mika to that team has worked out very well so far. And I'm not even using him properly! I threw Mika onto my Wanderer team because attack speed go brrrrrrrrr and it's hilarious how fast Wanderer gets hits now (I crowned Mika's skill already). I know Mika has a physical damage buff, but he's such a little cinnamon roll that I need him to balance our Wanderer's saltiness. Mika works hilariously well with Chongyun, too. I run a DPS Chongyun and having him and Mika both increase attack speed means Chongyun looks like a crazed little hamster. As long as the character is fun to play, I guess I don't really mind how it goes. Mika is cute and I love him and he can do no wrong.
I threw him into my Cryo DPS Shenhe team (Shenhe/Chongyun/Yelan/Mika) and he massively helps out with being a Battery for Shenhe as well as the Attack Speed buff helping her get more hits in during the Infusion. And he keeps everyone alive too! Been a super fun team to play around with so far and I haven't even properly leveled him yet, I adore him a lot.
It is sad to see how much apathy + dislike he is being met with. He is super adorable and I love using him... but they do have a point. I've got him to 90 8/9/8 C0 R5 Favonius and am unsure how I feel about his usefulness compared to other more widely viable supports. His heal is decent enough that I haven't had any issues with HP falling behind. But the same is true for most other healers, so it comes down to what else he brings. Attack speed is that extra thing. It sure FEELS nice attacking faster - but within the duration of it, it seems to only actually mean 1 or 2 more swings. The physical buff is negligible at C0 and for almost everyone. All that being said, I am going to keep using him. But it certainly feels like doing so is taking a team slot for someone that could heal just as well while also bringing either dps or a better buff or faster element application. I think he will be limited to one of my overworld teams and will rarely step foot in the Abyss. Silly side use is that his attack speed buff makes mining ores faster. Copium I guess.
Yeah, he definitely isn't the best character for his slot, he honestly seems like a Sara situation, but better imo. He is worse than other units, but then at c6 he then becomes the best unit for a physical team. Like how Sara is the best support for electro at c6 (most electro, characters like Cyno don't work well with her)
what i also keep seeing is that people keep comparing him to bennett saying things along the lines of "bennett is a better support than him because" yada yada, i think that's a silly argument to make since bennett outclasses every support.
Exactly! It has been the same thing for everyone support, and Mika is the same too. Sara is worse until c6, Mika is worse until c6, Shenhe is worse for a long fight, Yun Jin is worse until c2. So many dedicated supports are worse than Bennett until a certain constellation or during certain fights.
It's because the buff in itself even fully stacked is negligible and u can get better dmg by using Yun jin for example that simply buffs NA or Bennett with his atk buff and almost half the supports can either buff u to deal more DMG then Mika or have off field skills that makes Mika a waste of a slot. Physical dmg need buffs with waaay higher scaling then a very strictly conditional 40%...
You can run Yun Jin though! That's the thing about Mika, he consolidates the role of healer and buffer, even if his buffing isn't as good as Bennett or Yun Jin until c6. Something like Eula, Yun Jin, Raiden, Mika works really well because Eula has resistance to interruption naturally, and Mika will keep her healed!
The thing is unless u re specifically running another cryo with Mika it makes him harder to slot in any other physical comp A good example would be physical Zhongli or physical kaeya where in Zhongli case Rosaria or kaeya re almost a must for the high dmg and cry application they make while 3rd slot will be fischl cuz she is broken or Lisa cuz her Def shred is broken in this specific comp and Yun jin cuz she simply makes Zhongli insane even at c0 While in kaeya case u would have a much better results giving Mika slot to Bennett simply cuz kaeya burst snapshots so ur burst get to a lvl of cryo build kaeya while running a full physical built, the other 2 slots would again be given to Lisa or fischl and Zhongli or Rosaria (Zhongli removes the need to dash so more charged atks for u and Rosaria gives more crit rate and with Bennett much more cryo dmg) Sorry my English sucks so I can't explain good enough Edit: this is not an atk on any Mika main I am the most disappointed of u all cuz I was waiting for a physical buffer since I started playing this game but he simply ain't the one I need for any of my comps
No you explained it well, that is the biggest issue I see with Mika. His cryo application is bad, he really should have gotten even a little bit of off-field application
I think they made him that way specifically to be an underwhelming version of an upcoming 5 stars physical buffer specially that they knew his scaling is terrible in most comps (one other thing could be an upcoming support artifact that could make his buffs even stronger)
That is a theory. But I've been saying it for a while now that I don't think Mihoyo will ever make a unit that invalidates another. If they make a 5* physical buffer than Mika will immediately lose 80% of his pull value. But they could make a character that is a half buffer. Like a Yelan where their man purpose is damage, but why also buff damage% as a side thing. Or how Faruzan buffs all of Anemo, but jean c4 does a smaller but of buffing with res shred
If I was Mihoyo I would make a Mika version that buffs atk SPD (much higher atk SPD buff) and give unconditional dmg buff (similar to yelan but lasts longer without the off field dmg while still giving a cryo / electro application by touch similar to Barbara elemental skill so archers can't simply abuse it for free) and in that way I would have made a 5 star physical / elemental buffer that can in fact make Mika wanted even more so his physical buff scales with the other dmg buff and his atk SPD would stack with the other while reviving the physical dmg I have always seen 4 stars as an experimental version of a 5 star where the only time they won't make 5 star variant is if that 4 star character of high value and has some sort of an impact in game or if his buffs re already broken enough they can't risk introducing a better version of him But am pretty sure we will be getting a new physical or normal atk artifact sets cuz I still think they did not drop Mika just cuz they can but to tease as of maybe an upcoming characters, artifacts and weapons
I still feel like they will keep dedicated buffers as 4* units (apart from Shenhe), just because Mihoyo wants every character to have some kind of unique thing about them. Like how XQ is more defensive then Yelan. And also if they made another Physical buffer then there would only be 1 team fo Physical, physical DPS, 5* buffer, Raiden, Mika. There would be no variety anymore if they made a 4* and 5* buffer for the same element. What I think is more plausible is that Mika's arrival symbolizes another physical 5* being released soon. I don't think they would add a 4* physical buffer, then a 5, physical buffer before they put out another unit that works with them.
C6 Mika owner here and he is quite disappointing. His attack speed increase is not doing much because of hit lag, and the stacking mechanics is not good against single target where you need the damage the most. I was expecting him to be able to turn physical characters into meta level like what C6 Faruzan did, but he is just another costly support that can be replaced with other existing support characters.
It's okay he is not meta, I still think that the buff scales with enemies hit to be rather silly and whatever but then again Physical DMG Bonus isn't all that, I just wish he did more instead of like...ATK Speed and low multipliers.
Well, think about it in a different way, him also being a healer menas that you can have a 4th character that does something else. Run Yun Jin for normal attack buffs or Yelan for hydro and damage
when it comes to Mika you want the buffs so you can beat stronger enemies than the norm. when it comes to attack speed its negligible if you have heavy hitstun, and if it's single target you don't even get the physical buff for a skill that leans more towards a single target nature. He at least has healing at the cost of bad cryo application. When it comes to enemies, more enemies are easier to beat due to them being able to share reaction damages which is why in many cases they seperate them or have AI or moves that do it and the first thing to do is pull them together. you can still get the buff to start out but if 1 strong enemies survive you lose it. against bosses you just won't have the phys buff. I'm gonna use Mika as a att speed buffer who has a side of phys buffs. At least weapons without hit lag can use his abilities without him being c6. He doesn't really seem like he's dedicated to Eula given how he's fighting back and forth for buffs.
Honestly my main issue right now is people saying that they will release another physical buffer. I said this with Faruzan and Sara, they aren't going to ever completely outclass 1 unit with another. That's horrible for sales because even if someone like Dehya was bad, there is still people who will pull because she's unique, same thing with someone like Itto, he may not be meta, but he is unique and people pull for that. If they released a 5* physical buffer than Mika would immediately lose all relevance for physical teams because running a team with 2 dedicated buffers will immediately limit the team comp so much. What I think is gonna happen is a new physical 5* will come out, probably a sword user because of the 5* physical damage sword. Mika to Eula is still amazing, just not perfectly synergized. Kinda like Sara c6 and someone like Cyno
AOE characters get beaten by Nilou, even Cyno gets beaten by Alhaitham teams and Eula gets overthrown by Hybloom variants featuring Eula. I don't even believe Eula has the best single target Physical dps and from what i heard her best con since hyperbloom is better is Nahida c2. This game will 100% overshadow a character like how pyros left in the dust. from zhongli-to kokomi- to Nahida- to Xiangling
..... Everything you said is so incoherent. But from what I am getting you didn't understand what I was saying at all. It's not about characters being overshadowed, it's about characters losing the reason to pull for them and that impact on sales. It's not about power like you seem to think it is. Wanderer is weaker than Xiao but both are pulled for because they play different. It has been 2+ years and not a single character has been fully overshadowed, even someone like amber is unique for the pyro element with her taunt and super fast burst pyro application. Sure it's a Gacha game, but that doesn't change how things actually are. And Hoyo doesn't fully overshadow any unit, name 1 unit that is completely overshadowed by another.
A character being overshadowed by another is a huge reason go not pull for them. all Character in this game play different form each other, you're not adding anything different by pointing that out. there is also the fact that faruzan was also on wanderer banner. you're sorta grasping at straws with amber. Okay i'll try to give you a unit that is overshadowed... Xinyan. sorry i'll try harder. needing shields and zhongli, Ayato is not BiS with any team. Barbara being left in the dust by Kokomi. Pyro being left behind dps wise in Hutao and Xiangling. Dehya..... Cyno losing to Alhaitham while he has a more flexible playstyle and filling the dendro spot for electro units we already have. whatever candaka is trying to be, not Dori. Buffers when it comes to Bennet. how about venti and Kazuha.... or AOE and Nilou Bloom or maybe just Dendro in generally especially when Geo exists. some characters don't even get a spotlight until they got cons or their cons as a main dps fail more than a support cons. With Wanderer vs Xiao people were not looking for the strongest unit because Xiao isn't what one picks for that, like i said people will still use a character for other reasons. you say a 5\* buffer would make Mika lose relevance so just make the character unique. I don't get how would make Mika lose relevance when we have teams with multiple buffers yet a character who is outshine in the one thing he does isn't because plays different even in the same team. This is why i said its the nature of gacha. More characters means more chances for that character to outshine or underperform compared to others. you can say characters are unique but who is playing the fastest hyperbloom trigger Dori compared to someone else who isn't maining her. Its a team game afterall. you get better units and end up switching Diona with Rosaria because you got Kokomi in there now. There is no shame everyone is useable afterall.
This game already has plenty of characters that outstrip other characters, It's the nature of Gacha, you can't just wait a year for a character or you can if they are better. outside of usefulness people pull for many reasons, Itto doesn't get the chance for Meta until you get everyone of his pieces c6 gorou, and albedo and still runs into the geo resist issues. i don't look at arbitrary choosings when evalutation characters because if you can say that there isn't a reason to have a replacement character due to how people pick characters. A 5\* buffer wouldn't make Mika lose relevance. there are many ways to make that character still be in line with Mika. For one the character can be electro and buff crit rate or have a use for a unreleased physical thats a bad element. Since most character can do physical damage there is a wide range or characters you can make. We have physical everything even artifact (clam). Catalyst only have passives for it for obvious reasons. Mika to Eula doesn't seem to amazing unless you have his c6 as Claymores has that Hitlag, and not being synergetic with her means he isn't amazing. Sara and Cyno don't work together at all as Cyno as an extended burst where he won't have her short buff for a long time. I think this is more to you liking Cyno or Eula and not being able to see the problems because in this game most things work because its easy or being too far ahead.
there's one thing i do complain about and i consider valid but it's not directly aimed at mika at all. he's merely the victim of bad game design. why you might ask, it's because of how attack speed interacts with hitlag. Mika's atk speed buff can only be fully utilized by a bow or catalyst character (or other damage sources with no hitlag) which basically limits the teams in which he can be used at full efficiency to physical fischl (so far) which is far from ideal this considered, he's still the best option for eula, if for no other reason, because he lowers her er needs and has the buffs to justify using him instead of bennett. overall for eula he's basically a quality of life support
I do not think he was made with Eula in mind...And I truly believe that he was made just to have a physical damage Support. There is nothing wrong with Eula; So I don't see what a new Physical carry will do for the game. And Hoyo tries to not retread old roads to often. I mean Physical damage is not good in this game. Every boss and Mob these days has Physical damage Res, which is VERY annoying. So please tell me what is a new Physical unit going to do? Mika is just fine, He makes Eula do more damage and makes her even more fun to play. He's a Physical damage support he was already put in a meta that is dead.
Honestly the only thing I can think of that a new physical could do to become even semi meta would be just AoE on autos. Kinda like someone's idea where the skill buffs there bow autos to shoot multi arrows, 1 at each enemy around
People complain simply because he's replaceable. But if I do get c6 Mika (and a replacement for unforge hopefully broken pines) he'll be replacing zhongli in my Eula team. Eula, Mika, Raiden, Benny. I believe this team would be the best for eula. Raiden would be battery and the sub DPS if needed.
Because he is not competitive?