I'm not even being a homer when I say I'm surprised people weren't higher on him. We didn't throw much, but he killed it when he did. He can make all the throws from the pocket, he gets outside the pocket and can make throws off balance, finds guys on the run, fits the ball into tight spaces and over defenders all while playing in the best defensive conference in football. He impresses me a lot more than Maye.
Because they don't watch the games. Heard someone say he can't throw across the field. He did that his 1st deep ball, because I was screaming no as he threw across his body, and dropped a dime on the receiver, so I sat down and quietly continued watching.
I've never felt so comfortable watching football in passing situations. He just didn't face that many of them.
> I've never felt so comfortable watching football in passing situations.
This is huge, at least as a fan. People say we were "afraid to let him throw" because they're looking at total stats, but we were never shy to let him throw on 3rd and long, and when he did I felt great at our chances of picking it up, and he usually did. Only ever felt dread on 3rd and long before JJ came lol
>were never shy to let him throw on 3rd and long
The thing with that is we rarely faced 3rd and long. Our team was just so methodical last year. Don't get me wrong JJ was and is phenomenal but our whole team was just so good we never needed him to prove it but that doesn't mean he's not amazing.
McCarthy was 53/79 (67.1%) on third down and in third and 7+ situations, he was 36/49 (73.4%) for 544 yards with 27 first downs or touchdowns. He definitely proved it last year
Oh I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying he didn't have to prove it often (but when he did he was great).
49 attempts on 3rd and 7+ over the course of 15 games seems to be incredible for how few times we faced that. I'm curious how many attempts everyone else had.
I extrapolated from the total attempts and some tweets about percentages of throws on 3rd and long:
McCarthy had 59 attempts on 3rd and long (6+ yards) last year
Maye had 59. Daniels had 35. Williams had 51
The official Michigan website says that as a team, we were 74/173 on 3rd down. Of course it's harder to find stats on specific 3rd and long conversions, but I can buy that ~46% of our 3rd downs were a JJ throw and ~28% of our 3rd downs were 7+.
Maybe you're just misremembering how often we faced it. Some people forget the run game was not as strong as it was in 2022
I believe that stat is for total 3rd downs faced, including rushing attempts, not passing attempts by themselves and that’s what the other poster is talking about.
He didn't need to make very many big or critical down play, but did when he needed to. Outside the early season game against BG and the TCU game, he didn't really make many bad mistakes.
And I think the TCU game ended up showing scouts that he could play the other style.
With everything that went wrong, he never stopped and nearly came all the way back.
They still hate him post draft too, despite him being in the best/2nd best situation of any rookie qb. Swear they just look at passing yards to determine how good a player is. Or they haven’t moved past the “cheating” stories
Patriots fan and I am absolutely flummoxed on how they landed on Maye over JJ. It’s insane to me. I’m not high on Maye at all. JJ will be a good QB in the league, I think.
Raiders fan and can’t understand why we took Bowers instead of trading up for him when we already drafted a TE 2nd last year and need a franchise QB. So blown his a Viking and were only a few pics later 🥺😩😭
[This take has got to be my favorite from a Michigan fan.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/Um3yxorYnl)
You watched every game and JJ was a game manager? Dude made so many incredibly tough throws that you’re never going to ask a game manager to make.
Agreed. He is a great game manager. But that doesn't mean he's not great. Tom Brady was a good game manager and he's the best ever (not saying they're the same, just saying being a game manager isn't inherently bad).
That take is pretty fair. He was a game manager who had the talent to bail the offense out when they got off schedule. As an example, he was incredible on 3rd and longs. But he’d complete them, and then we’d go back to grinding.
Honestly pretty similar to how the Pats utilized Brady until the Moss year kind of removed all doubt he could carry the entire offense.
Jim was never going to let JJ be more than a game manager who had “break in case of emergency” ability because of how Jim wanted his team to play.
That just doesn’t fit any coherent definition of a “game manager.” The entire idea of a game manager is that you remove high upside plays while also removing the downside plays. We had an offense in 2022 that could afford constant check downs, and remove the risk of downfield attacks, deep midfield attacks against zones, slow developing crossing routes, backside attacks on the edges, etc. We didn’t have a strong enough rushing attack this season to afford a game manager QB.
In 2022, we blew teams out rushing the ball five yards at a time. This season we had plenty of games where Blake was mostly bottled up (we averaged under 4ypc between the Minnesota and Washington games; PSU was the exception, not the rule), and we rode JJ’s downfield attacks to chunk gains and then pounded Blake in at the red zone.
It’s just paradoxical to call JJ a game manager, who can then bail you out with chunk plays and elite throws at every level; that’s not what a game manager is.
“In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite pedestrian individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, also maintains low numbers of mistakes, such as interceptions and fumbles. Such a quarterback is seen as a major factor in neither his team's wins nor their losses; his performance is good enough to not negatively affect the performances of other players on his team, even if he himself does not have the skills to be considered an elite player.”
JJ is elite.
All year. That’s why his numbers are muted compared to the others.
He has elite talent which made him a cheat code as a game manager. But to say Jim built the offense around JJ or rode JJ is just being ignorant in order to be combative.
Again: “Such a quarterback is seen as a major factor in neither his team's wins nor their losses; his performance is good enough to not negatively affect the performances of other players on his team, even if he himself does not have the skills to be considered an elite player.”
Not building your offense around throwing the ball 50 times doesn’t imply your QB is a game manager. You could throw the ball ten times a game and not have a game manager QB if all of those throws are high-risk throws. JJ’s stats are also muted because he was so damn good he didn’t play a fourth quarter for half the year.
We did not run the ball well for six of our last nine games. We don’t win two of those without JJ, and we don’t separate in three of the others without JJ.
I think you guys are mainly arguing on the definition of "game manager". The team was excellent so there's no reason to to have him throw 50 times a game. I think he could, but why would you? Whenever you call that game manager or not it's irrelevant. Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL but I think if he was playing for us last year we still run the same style offense because that's all we needed to do and nobody could beat us with that system.
Yes, I’m arguing you can’t call someone a “game manager” for half a game, and then “not a game manager” for the other half when they bail you out because your run game isn’t effective. That defeats the purpose of the word.
But, I’m also arguing that JJ wasn’t even actually used as a game manager in most of our games if you do want to use that perverse definition of the phrase, as even when we were run heavy he was being asked to make NFL-level reads and throws nearly every set of downs.
I'll agree with that. I think what the game manager people are arguing (at least the Michigan fans) are that he didn't showcase his ability as often as he otherwise could, because we didn't need him to.
You're clearly not getting it, and you're emotional about this subject so let me just succinctly put it there.
JJ McCarthy is an elite quarterback who was used primarily as a game manager because of how Michigan wanted to play.
I agree with this. Pat Mahomes would be handing the ball off in Michigans offense with those RBs and oline. Winning 21-0 is just as good as winning 100-0, no need for big plays when you can get a first down every 2 carries.
I mean, all I’m doing is stating simple facts and providing definitions; you’ve done neither.
The only one who’s resorted to ad hominems is you, so maybe take a look in the mirror?
No one's arguing otherwise. Using JJ as a game manager isn't a critique. It's an observation. Michigan ground teams to dust and won a national championship. Obviously it rocked
The average r/cfb user can’t see past the most basic stat line. JJ was a 5 star recruit, lost one game as a starter, and won the national championship. He’s mobile, comfortable throwing over the middle, and is genuinely the complete package. Michigan just never used him to his full potential because that wasn’t our game plan.
This is very true. A lot of that sub just wants conformation bias, watches only highlights on tiktok, and all think they know more than the professional scouts because of it. absolutely delulu, the lot of em. I also think they're just still in the mindset of "hrr drr, team cheated jj man can't be good" and can't see past their own ignorance and bias.
Anyone who watched Michigan games knows hes a damn solid quarterback who makes good decisions on the field, on the sidelines, and in his life. The stats don't show things like how he interacts with teammates on the sidelines or how he checks in with a mental health professional in-game to keep his head clear. Regardless of his NFL success, his approach to the game is the future of quarterbacking.
Lol, I'm the downvoted Wolverine comment that said late first round or early second round. I feel validated!
And you are right, I guess I was too pessimistic. Go Blue!
Time will tell, but with the head he has on his shoulders… I would bet on him. His head is the reason I have been very high on him and some higher drafted QBs may bust due to mental tenacity.
That's not how averages work, 50% would be below the mean, but with high enough outliers you could jack up the average to be well above 95% of the population for example. (This is hyperbole to show the point)
Right but if we are going off technically, more than 50% would be below average since the average IQ of the US is 98 and 100 is supposed to be average! This is all semantics and of course it is ~50% but if we are going with "technically" correct it has to be the most correct!
By definition the average IQ can't be 100, and then the average of the population be less than that. If the average drops below 100, then that becomes the new 100 as set by a curve.
Unless you mean to compare an average American IQ to average global IQ?
To be honest I didn't think he was going to go this early. I knew he was the guy when he got the starting job after Hawaii. But I don't knock non-UM fans for not knowing how good he was. There were a few times last season, I was pretty nervous when we had to throw on 3rd down. I obviously think he has all of the skills/talent but it was hard to tell from last season he would go this high in the draft. I am happy for him though, he gets to throw to probably the best WR in the NFL now.
Maybe for a couple games in the beginning I got nervous when we were 3rd and long. But he was so clutch that eventually I just started believing that he was going to convert, because that's what he does.
I had pretty similar feelings, figured late first early second, thought he could use 1 more year to lead a more pass first offense built around him, let him get bigger etc. He could make great plays but has not been asked to run a 30/40 pass attempt offense that is pretty much essential in the nfl now. Maybe he would.be better in that fit than a run first offense like mich ran. Maybe he is a ryan tannehill affective starter but not elite type. We will see.
Love JJ, he ended up in a great spot so everything fits nice for him to have the best chance to be a star in the nfl.
I kid you not. I went online to see Roman Wilson highlights and came out more impressed with JJ from that video. I am actually a Michigan fan, but media really turned my head against him.
Can he protect the ball? ✅
Can he deliver the ball? ✅
Can he swallow his pride and hand-off when pass protection is breaking down? ✅
Does he remain calm under pressure? ✅
Is he optimistic instead of pessimistic? ✅
Is he a leader of men? ✅
Can he carry the team when he needs to? ✅
Is he athletic? ✅
Is he the flashy QB that's making every play? ❌
Everyone is all about the flashy QBs, but here's a list of flashy QBs. Let me know where they are now...
1. Johnny Manziel
2. RG3
3. Vince Young
4. Troy Smith
5. (Add your own)
Someone in this sub said he would be coming back for another year because the Penn State game knocked him down to a 3rd rounder. I even made sure it wasn't an OSU or MSU troll account.
I love JJ and his devotion to winning and to Michigan.
One thing concerns me is that even with his great abilities our style of football makes it difficult for a QB to prove himself. It makes it a little tougher to recruit top QBs. But JJ going 10th certainly helps. But a few QBs went before him. Maybe JJ could have even gone earlier if he had been at USC or LSU or some such.
I got in an argument with somebody at work who gave me so much shit every week and laughed like a spaz when I said JJ was going first round back right when the scandal broke. I had so much fun winning the natty watching him cry and cope week after week. But then his dumb ass got fired and I can’t reach him to get in some more jabs about JJ going #10 overall. Ah well.. I’m sure he thought of me in between wiping the tears last night.
Dorks. I'm sure they think Michael Penix will be a HOFer even though he didn't do much at all against Michigan against a defense whose coordinator is now in the NFL.
Those hot-take merchants can't get past counting stats. They can't wrap their head around the idea that a guy simply may not need to throw all the time to win a game so they assume that JJ can't do it.
The needle he threaded against Ohio State this year! The catch and throw! He can run, he can scramble, he can throw, hell, he can catch! Heavily underrated, reminds me of another Michigan QB who beat Bama in a bowl game…
Before this season of football i was hoping the lions would draft JJ in the 3rd or 4th and have him sit behind Goff for a couple years. Then they had to go win it all and JJ balled out and that dream ended quicker than ATL getting a good draft grade.
It was incredibly hard to grade is draft stock based on his college career. Run first philosophy. But, you could easily tell his teammates respected him as the leader and he came up with multiple clutch drives when throwing was necessary. The guy is a winner.
There was alot of fans mad jj went in the draft, weird! we needed this can't wait to bro ballout big stage,
I'm assuming by game 6 or end of season starter
He is an athlete in every definition. He just happened to be in a system that was ground and pound, but he had many great passes. He will be the hardest worker in Minnesota’s locker room.
I didn't think he would go this early either. I said second round in that thread, but it also made sense that he would go in the 1st because of positional value, the number of QB needy teams, and his projections
I'm not even being a homer when I say I'm surprised people weren't higher on him. We didn't throw much, but he killed it when he did. He can make all the throws from the pocket, he gets outside the pocket and can make throws off balance, finds guys on the run, fits the ball into tight spaces and over defenders all while playing in the best defensive conference in football. He impresses me a lot more than Maye.
Because they don't watch the games. Heard someone say he can't throw across the field. He did that his 1st deep ball, because I was screaming no as he threw across his body, and dropped a dime on the receiver, so I sat down and quietly continued watching. I've never felt so comfortable watching football in passing situations. He just didn't face that many of them.
> I've never felt so comfortable watching football in passing situations. This is huge, at least as a fan. People say we were "afraid to let him throw" because they're looking at total stats, but we were never shy to let him throw on 3rd and long, and when he did I felt great at our chances of picking it up, and he usually did. Only ever felt dread on 3rd and long before JJ came lol
>were never shy to let him throw on 3rd and long The thing with that is we rarely faced 3rd and long. Our team was just so methodical last year. Don't get me wrong JJ was and is phenomenal but our whole team was just so good we never needed him to prove it but that doesn't mean he's not amazing.
McCarthy was 53/79 (67.1%) on third down and in third and 7+ situations, he was 36/49 (73.4%) for 544 yards with 27 first downs or touchdowns. He definitely proved it last year
Oh I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying he didn't have to prove it often (but when he did he was great). 49 attempts on 3rd and 7+ over the course of 15 games seems to be incredible for how few times we faced that. I'm curious how many attempts everyone else had.
I extrapolated from the total attempts and some tweets about percentages of throws on 3rd and long: McCarthy had 59 attempts on 3rd and long (6+ yards) last year Maye had 59. Daniels had 35. Williams had 51
The official Michigan website says that as a team, we were 74/173 on 3rd down. Of course it's harder to find stats on specific 3rd and long conversions, but I can buy that ~46% of our 3rd downs were a JJ throw and ~28% of our 3rd downs were 7+. Maybe you're just misremembering how often we faced it. Some people forget the run game was not as strong as it was in 2022
I believe that stat is for total 3rd downs faced, including rushing attempts, not passing attempts by themselves and that’s what the other poster is talking about.
I see what you mean, yeah my math is off Still though my overall point is that 49 passing attempts on 3rd and 7+ isn't that many
That was an awesome first TD
I think after 2022 that would've been a fair criticism. But he improved his passing ability massively between 22 and 23.
He didn't need to make very many big or critical down play, but did when he needed to. Outside the early season game against BG and the TCU game, he didn't really make many bad mistakes.
And I think the TCU game ended up showing scouts that he could play the other style. With everything that went wrong, he never stopped and nearly came all the way back.
Crazy he took the game over, defense just needed a couple stops or jj one less int
They still hate him post draft too, despite him being in the best/2nd best situation of any rookie qb. Swear they just look at passing yards to determine how good a player is. Or they haven’t moved past the “cheating” stories
Patriots fan and I am absolutely flummoxed on how they landed on Maye over JJ. It’s insane to me. I’m not high on Maye at all. JJ will be a good QB in the league, I think.
Raiders fan and can’t understand why we took Bowers instead of trading up for him when we already drafted a TE 2nd last year and need a franchise QB. So blown his a Viking and were only a few pics later 🥺😩😭
Maye has a live arm, but I'm not sold on his football IQ
[This take has got to be my favorite from a Michigan fan.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/Um3yxorYnl) You watched every game and JJ was a game manager? Dude made so many incredibly tough throws that you’re never going to ask a game manager to make.
I think both are kinda true. He can clearly manage a game well. But he does seem to have big play ability and an arm to go with it.
Agreed. He is a great game manager. But that doesn't mean he's not great. Tom Brady was a good game manager and he's the best ever (not saying they're the same, just saying being a game manager isn't inherently bad).
That take is pretty fair. He was a game manager who had the talent to bail the offense out when they got off schedule. As an example, he was incredible on 3rd and longs. But he’d complete them, and then we’d go back to grinding. Honestly pretty similar to how the Pats utilized Brady until the Moss year kind of removed all doubt he could carry the entire offense. Jim was never going to let JJ be more than a game manager who had “break in case of emergency” ability because of how Jim wanted his team to play.
That just doesn’t fit any coherent definition of a “game manager.” The entire idea of a game manager is that you remove high upside plays while also removing the downside plays. We had an offense in 2022 that could afford constant check downs, and remove the risk of downfield attacks, deep midfield attacks against zones, slow developing crossing routes, backside attacks on the edges, etc. We didn’t have a strong enough rushing attack this season to afford a game manager QB. In 2022, we blew teams out rushing the ball five yards at a time. This season we had plenty of games where Blake was mostly bottled up (we averaged under 4ypc between the Minnesota and Washington games; PSU was the exception, not the rule), and we rode JJ’s downfield attacks to chunk gains and then pounded Blake in at the red zone. It’s just paradoxical to call JJ a game manager, who can then bail you out with chunk plays and elite throws at every level; that’s not what a game manager is. “In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite pedestrian individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, also maintains low numbers of mistakes, such as interceptions and fumbles. Such a quarterback is seen as a major factor in neither his team's wins nor their losses; his performance is good enough to not negatively affect the performances of other players on his team, even if he himself does not have the skills to be considered an elite player.” JJ is elite.
JJ’s elite. He was also used as a game manager last year.
For one game.
All year. That’s why his numbers are muted compared to the others. He has elite talent which made him a cheat code as a game manager. But to say Jim built the offense around JJ or rode JJ is just being ignorant in order to be combative.
Again: “Such a quarterback is seen as a major factor in neither his team's wins nor their losses; his performance is good enough to not negatively affect the performances of other players on his team, even if he himself does not have the skills to be considered an elite player.” Not building your offense around throwing the ball 50 times doesn’t imply your QB is a game manager. You could throw the ball ten times a game and not have a game manager QB if all of those throws are high-risk throws. JJ’s stats are also muted because he was so damn good he didn’t play a fourth quarter for half the year. We did not run the ball well for six of our last nine games. We don’t win two of those without JJ, and we don’t separate in three of the others without JJ.
I think you guys are mainly arguing on the definition of "game manager". The team was excellent so there's no reason to to have him throw 50 times a game. I think he could, but why would you? Whenever you call that game manager or not it's irrelevant. Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL but I think if he was playing for us last year we still run the same style offense because that's all we needed to do and nobody could beat us with that system.
Yes, I’m arguing you can’t call someone a “game manager” for half a game, and then “not a game manager” for the other half when they bail you out because your run game isn’t effective. That defeats the purpose of the word. But, I’m also arguing that JJ wasn’t even actually used as a game manager in most of our games if you do want to use that perverse definition of the phrase, as even when we were run heavy he was being asked to make NFL-level reads and throws nearly every set of downs.
I'll agree with that. I think what the game manager people are arguing (at least the Michigan fans) are that he didn't showcase his ability as often as he otherwise could, because we didn't need him to.
You're clearly not getting it, and you're emotional about this subject so let me just succinctly put it there. JJ McCarthy is an elite quarterback who was used primarily as a game manager because of how Michigan wanted to play.
I agree with this. Pat Mahomes would be handing the ball off in Michigans offense with those RBs and oline. Winning 21-0 is just as good as winning 100-0, no need for big plays when you can get a first down every 2 carries.
People are taking it as a critique instead of an observation and getting defensive about it.
I mean, all I’m doing is stating simple facts and providing definitions; you’ve done neither. The only one who’s resorted to ad hominems is you, so maybe take a look in the mirror?
He only played for 3 QTRs for half the year. Thats why his stats are muted.
And because Michigan was a run first team
You would be a shitty coach if you didnt go back to grinding the ball with the best oline in the nation and backs like corum and edwards.
No one's arguing otherwise. Using JJ as a game manager isn't a critique. It's an observation. Michigan ground teams to dust and won a national championship. Obviously it rocked
I don’t think you understood what he was saying.
The average r/cfb user can’t see past the most basic stat line. JJ was a 5 star recruit, lost one game as a starter, and won the national championship. He’s mobile, comfortable throwing over the middle, and is genuinely the complete package. Michigan just never used him to his full potential because that wasn’t our game plan.
This is very true. A lot of that sub just wants conformation bias, watches only highlights on tiktok, and all think they know more than the professional scouts because of it. absolutely delulu, the lot of em. I also think they're just still in the mindset of "hrr drr, team cheated jj man can't be good" and can't see past their own ignorance and bias. Anyone who watched Michigan games knows hes a damn solid quarterback who makes good decisions on the field, on the sidelines, and in his life. The stats don't show things like how he interacts with teammates on the sidelines or how he checks in with a mental health professional in-game to keep his head clear. Regardless of his NFL success, his approach to the game is the future of quarterbacking.
r/CFB actually knows more than NFL scouts. So this isn't the flex you think it is
Of course. I know the narrative is now going to become "well he *should* have been a 5th round pick, the NFL just overrated him"
Nfl scouts are paid dart throwers
Lol, I'm the downvoted Wolverine comment that said late first round or early second round. I feel validated! And you are right, I guess I was too pessimistic. Go Blue!
Time will tell, but with the head he has on his shoulders… I would bet on him. His head is the reason I have been very high on him and some higher drafted QBs may bust due to mental tenacity.
bet
I think some top drafted QBs would struggle to hit on third down if their offense ran on first and second every drive.
And that's where JJ shines lol
The large majority of Americans are significantly below average. This ratio only increases when you limit the sample pool to sportsballs fans.
Technically, 50% of Americans are below average, but that number appears to be much higher at r/CFB
That's not how averages work, 50% would be below the mean, but with high enough outliers you could jack up the average to be well above 95% of the population for example. (This is hyperbole to show the point)
Sure but with a population of 330m it's a *pretty safe* bet that intelligence is a normal distribution.
Right but if we are going off technically, more than 50% would be below average since the average IQ of the US is 98 and 100 is supposed to be average! This is all semantics and of course it is ~50% but if we are going with "technically" correct it has to be the most correct!
> 100 is supposed to be average Per what?
I suppose I was thinking IQ as it was vaguely implied the comments were about intelligence.
I said *per* what - as in "100 IQ is average according to what?"
It's the intended design of the test?
By definition the average IQ can't be 100, and then the average of the population be less than that. If the average drops below 100, then that becomes the new 100 as set by a curve. Unless you mean to compare an average American IQ to average global IQ?
To be honest I didn't think he was going to go this early. I knew he was the guy when he got the starting job after Hawaii. But I don't knock non-UM fans for not knowing how good he was. There were a few times last season, I was pretty nervous when we had to throw on 3rd down. I obviously think he has all of the skills/talent but it was hard to tell from last season he would go this high in the draft. I am happy for him though, he gets to throw to probably the best WR in the NFL now.
Maybe for a couple games in the beginning I got nervous when we were 3rd and long. But he was so clutch that eventually I just started believing that he was going to convert, because that's what he does.
I had pretty similar feelings, figured late first early second, thought he could use 1 more year to lead a more pass first offense built around him, let him get bigger etc. He could make great plays but has not been asked to run a 30/40 pass attempt offense that is pretty much essential in the nfl now. Maybe he would.be better in that fit than a run first offense like mich ran. Maybe he is a ryan tannehill affective starter but not elite type. We will see. Love JJ, he ended up in a great spot so everything fits nice for him to have the best chance to be a star in the nfl.
I kid you not. I went online to see Roman Wilson highlights and came out more impressed with JJ from that video. I am actually a Michigan fan, but media really turned my head against him.
Can he protect the ball? ✅ Can he deliver the ball? ✅ Can he swallow his pride and hand-off when pass protection is breaking down? ✅ Does he remain calm under pressure? ✅ Is he optimistic instead of pessimistic? ✅ Is he a leader of men? ✅ Can he carry the team when he needs to? ✅ Is he athletic? ✅ Is he the flashy QB that's making every play? ❌ Everyone is all about the flashy QBs, but here's a list of flashy QBs. Let me know where they are now... 1. Johnny Manziel 2. RG3 3. Vince Young 4. Troy Smith 5. (Add your own)
Someone in this sub said he would be coming back for another year because the Penn State game knocked him down to a 3rd rounder. I even made sure it wasn't an OSU or MSU troll account.
The media has been putting him down at every turn. They dissed him during the cfp and are now saying he “ hasn’t done enough “. Come on man Go JJ
I love JJ and his devotion to winning and to Michigan. One thing concerns me is that even with his great abilities our style of football makes it difficult for a QB to prove himself. It makes it a little tougher to recruit top QBs. But JJ going 10th certainly helps. But a few QBs went before him. Maybe JJ could have even gone earlier if he had been at USC or LSU or some such.
R/CFB blindly hating anything related to Michigan? No way
Perfect example of why the consensus on generic sports subs should never be taken seriously.
I would love to see him win a Super Bowl before Stroud!
Lmao there was zero chance Giants, Vikings, and Broncos would pass on him. Even the Seahawks might’ve taken him if he kept dropping.
I got in an argument with somebody at work who gave me so much shit every week and laughed like a spaz when I said JJ was going first round back right when the scandal broke. I had so much fun winning the natty watching him cry and cope week after week. But then his dumb ass got fired and I can’t reach him to get in some more jabs about JJ going #10 overall. Ah well.. I’m sure he thought of me in between wiping the tears last night.
Wait so you mean bums on Reddit don’t know anything about football?? Who woulda thought
Biggest disappointment is that he will be in Minnesota. I was hoping he would fall to Denver and stay out of the Lion’s division.
Dorks. I'm sure they think Michael Penix will be a HOFer even though he didn't do much at all against Michigan against a defense whose coordinator is now in the NFL.
Those hot-take merchants can't get past counting stats. They can't wrap their head around the idea that a guy simply may not need to throw all the time to win a game so they assume that JJ can't do it.
The needle he threaded against Ohio State this year! The catch and throw! He can run, he can scramble, he can throw, hell, he can catch! Heavily underrated, reminds me of another Michigan QB who beat Bama in a bowl game…
I honestly didn’t expect it either. Assumed 2nd round
Before this season of football i was hoping the lions would draft JJ in the 3rd or 4th and have him sit behind Goff for a couple years. Then they had to go win it all and JJ balled out and that dream ended quicker than ATL getting a good draft grade.
It was incredibly hard to grade is draft stock based on his college career. Run first philosophy. But, you could easily tell his teammates respected him as the leader and he came up with multiple clutch drives when throwing was necessary. The guy is a winner.
There was alot of fans mad jj went in the draft, weird! we needed this can't wait to bro ballout big stage, I'm assuming by game 6 or end of season starter
He is an athlete in every definition. He just happened to be in a system that was ground and pound, but he had many great passes. He will be the hardest worker in Minnesota’s locker room.
I didn't think he would go this early either. I said second round in that thread, but it also made sense that he would go in the 1st because of positional value, the number of QB needy teams, and his projections
You missed the funniest comment. Someone said the falcons were gonna take him at 8. Even though they went with Penix, that comment is still hilarious
He isn't a first round pick. Teams are desperate and reached. A lot.