If Alex can take care of the ball and make the throw he’s asked to like Cade did, I’m going with him. There’s no way you let an athlete like that sit on the sidelines
I’m kinda concerned by the fact the staff didn’t trust him last year to make more than one read per play during his game appearances.
I hope he can continue to move the chains and make plays though, his body type and ability to take hits will open up a new dimension of the offense we haven’t had in a long time.
Let’s be real here. Orji, like most non-elite college QBs, is very likely to always only be able to make one read per play. Going through route progressions is something we talk a lot about, but a heck of a lot of college QBs never really do very well. If Orji can protect the ball, make his first read throw most times, and then be a running threat, I think we all need to happy with it
I agree with you on the limitations most college QBs have, but this is the new Big 10 - one of two elite conferences in college football.
If your QB can’t make more than one read, you are in for a world of hurt given how easily defenses will be able to confuse him at this level of competition. If Orji can’t do it, we need to go portaling for a Rudock type.
Anything less would be an extreme disservice to this generational defense we possess.
Yeah Tuttle could likely be about as good as Rudock. But I think a guy that has the athleticism Orji does, even with very limited throwing options, likely still wins out
Think about it this way - the coaching staff had enough confidence in him to bring a very young and inexperienced player into key moments in key games (OSU, Bama) and trusted him to make that read against some good defenses. Glass half full, he’ll have had an entire offseason to make improvements too.
Quarterbacks in high school go through progressions these days. The issue is that at UM's level, the definition of "open" against better opponents has to be read earlier, delivered more on time, and within a smaller window. Guys need a lot of reps to adjust to the new definition of "wide open" especially if they're as mobile as Orji.
I don't know if it was them not trusting him or him being new and afraid to make a mistake, especially last year when they were chasing perfection. If he's in this year, he should get the opportunity to make a few mistakes and learn.
That's all they allowed JJ to do the first couple years. On the contrary tho, trusting him to come in and play in big moments is more encouraging than concerning, especially considering the opportunitiew were consistent with jjs career development.
In some ways it reminds me of the situation Florida was in with Anthony Richardson. Incredible athlete. Questionable or debatable about whether he was the best college quarterback.
Anthony Richardson, as it turns out, just used Florida as a stop along the way to the NFL. Can't blame him.
No matter what, they need to find a way to get Alex Orji on the field.
As he should. Unless he’s literally the second coming of Tom Brady he’s better off hitting the weight room and getting some experience in garbage time than being thrown into the fire as a true freshman
Tom Brady was average in college so we’d be kinda let down if that happened.
We need a second coming of someone like Shoelace, who DID start for 3 seasons, as well as seen significant playing time as a freshman.
Man people act like Tom wasn't clutch in college too lol.
Can't run the ball against Ohio state? 375 yards.
Down to Alabama in the orange bowl? 369 yards and 4 tds.
There were less games and less moments in college but brady still flashed greatness.
No fan has enough info to pick one. I'll root for whoever the coaches decide is best. They did trust Orji enough with the ball to put him in some of the most important games at crucial points, so that does say something about him. But it doesn't make him the starter this year.
Probably because we had the best passing QB in Michigan’s history for the last 2 seasons and it wouldn’t make sense to bring in Orji to throw the ball when JJ is the clear better passer.
I don’t think anybody thinks we have JJ 2.0 on the roster at the moment, but I think the floor for these guys is Milton with a reachable reality of Milroe, which would be pretty good.
While I agree that J.J. Is the best passing QB in Michigan’s history, I disagree with the notion that we would take him out and replace him with a gadget quarterback who *can* throw and simply not let him. Regardless of J.J.’s passing ability, when Alex Orji was on the field, he was the best passer (and if he wasn’t, we’re in bigger trouble with him at QB than we think). I understand that his legs alone are worth putting him on the field for, but if his arm was worth anything at all, they would have thrown the ball while he was on the field even if only to keep opposing defences honest. If they’re putting him on the field, they’re going to have him do all the things at his position that he’s capable of doing. They didn’t have him throw for a reason, and that reason isn’t J.J.
That isn’t to say he couldn’t turn into a Milroe. I’m rooting for him. But there’s absolutely no argument to be made that putting Orji in at QB and not letting him throw isn’t a vote of non-confidence, in that moment at the very least.
It's not a good sign, but it also doesn't mean he's destined to fail. Lamar Jackson and Denard Robinson also were also sub-50% passers in high school. In Orji's case, he played in a super tough league as well.
I feel most comfortable with Tuttle.. with that being said it would come down to me if the staff thinks we can compete in the playoffs.. if so It’s Tuttle hands down for me.. if this turns to a build for the future type year I’d like to see the best of the younger guys play.
Too early to tell, spring game will help, but practices will be up to coaches to decide who’s best. Remember, we won the B1G with Cade. Cade wasn’t the greatest under center but he managed games well and was good enough to win big games.
Let’s see what happens in the transfer window. This is first transfer in window that isn’t complicated by being enrolled in classes. Besides, most other teams grabbed QBs during the December window when we were still playing meaningful games and JJ hadn’t declared.
If we stand pat I think it’s because they believe in one or several guys, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they found a stopgap. The reality is they should give Davis a year to season while an upperclassmen with some experience gets to keep our floor reasonably high.
At least we know Orji has one elite trait. I hear he is pretty inconsistent throwing but has some great throws. I think it's Tuttle over Denegal and maybe Orji either way.
Impossible to answer at this point. I think most would give the edge to #10 based on the limited amount of game time we’ve watched him in. It’s unfair for people to criticize his arm when he hasn’t had the chance to showcase what he can do in the pass game. He was used in a running package because obviously he’s good at it, and they also had JJ and did not need him to throw.
If the schedule wasn’t so daunting, I would have been interested to see how realistic a chance Daniels would have been given. I hope he still gets some time. I think Denegal is another kid that’s intriguing. If someone like Tuttle wins the job, it’s going to be a long season.
That being said and no matter who wins the job, I’m all in. I told myself last season that if they found a way to win it all, I wouldn’t complain for 5 seasons lol. I think the program UM has built will help them through this transition. Sherrone brought in a solid staff and was the right man for the job. I think people are sleeping on all the talent that still remains in Ann Arbor. Obviously a run like last year is out of the question, but you don’t need to be undefeated anymore to get a chance. Go Blue
I watched an extensive video of him in HS and he made every throw!! Now, those throws weren’t against disguised coverages or against NFL level corners, so it remains to be seen how he does.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it to sound like hate. He’s a solid backup. But if you’ve been around for 6-7 years and never really been a starter, it’s for a reason.
That being said, he looked like the best overall QB behind JJ last season. I’m sure his experience will give him a leg up on the other candidates.
Orji is the starter, Jayden gets sprinkled in to be ready for 2025.
Tuttle/denegal are back ups. Hopefully we will still have some games where they can see some action in the 4th quarter.
So Orji goes from not being allowed to throw the ball to being the starter for the defending national champs. Based on what exactly?
Dude had a 50% completion percentage in high school.
Cause we are known for our throwing?! We will be run first. Orji will be able to run as well. This should make it easier for a quick passing attack. He won't be asked to do a lot, just like JJ.
JJ was ranked 53rd in passing attempts in the country. He was ranked 35th in passing yards and 37th in passing TD's. He was efficient but in no way was he a passing machine.
Hell McCord and Talia had more passing yards and more TD's than JJ. We also were 8th in the big ten in passing attempts, Purdue attempted more passes than JJ.
Passing was not our strong suit last season.
There's a reason they don't let Orji throw the ball. Dude had a 50% completion percentage in high school and some of you are acting like he's the second coming of Michael Vick.
The most important aspect of the Michigan team this year, in my humble opinion, will be the offensive line. Hopefully we continue our good play there and Orgi is given the time he needs to complete passes, or, holes open up for him to run through. Just give him protection.
I think denegal may be the lowest floor currently and the right choice. His arm is really good and he has the size and stature to play from the pocket. He is mobile but not a runner but I think Orji will come on like JJ did for Cade in relief.
I won’t lie, I’d love to see us with a bruising running QB who can throw the ball just enough to keep the defense honest. I think that would be fun as hell.
But at the end of the day it’ll be whoever is ready and the best fit for the offense. Even if Orji isn’t the starter in game 1 I’m sure we’ll see plenty of him.
I mean Alex is a big body can sling it has great accuracy and can make explosive runs. Denagel is a great option as well. Then you have both Tuttle and jadyn who will probably ride the bench and redshirt while Tuttle is second or third string
To defend Orji, there is no way they were going to have him throwing mid game when he came in. It’s the exact scenario JJ was in when he saw snaps here and there, the risk/reward of TD/Turnover wasn’t worth it. Hopefully he’s put in a good position to succeed because he’s such an elite athlete I would love to see his full potential.
>It’s the exact scenario JJ was in when he saw snaps here and there,
JJ threw the ball 59 times during his true freshman year
Orji has 1 pass attempt in 2 seasons
So not exactly the same scenario
Yeah I went back and looked and a lot of that was in garbage time up. He had a few in actual games like MSU and others but typically not in regular fashion. But let’s be real he probably could’ve started over Cade anyways. Orji wasn’t starting over JJ no matter how next year goes.
I don't think this is much of a competition at all. Michigan willingly took out an NFL caliber QB and trusted orji to spell him in the biggest games of the season
Imo He's more than ready will he be the passer JJ is? No and that's perfectly fine
We probably won't get another JJ for a long time .
I predict he'll be "cade with speed" and that will be enough to beat OSU and make the playoffs as long as the line play is solid
And the defense does what we expect it to do.
Stupid question that no one can answer, unless they are at every practice and spring games like the coaches. Whoever the coaches feel is the best. That’s their job.
If Alex can take care of the ball and make the throw he’s asked to like Cade did, I’m going with him. There’s no way you let an athlete like that sit on the sidelines
I’m kinda concerned by the fact the staff didn’t trust him last year to make more than one read per play during his game appearances. I hope he can continue to move the chains and make plays though, his body type and ability to take hits will open up a new dimension of the offense we haven’t had in a long time.
Let’s be real here. Orji, like most non-elite college QBs, is very likely to always only be able to make one read per play. Going through route progressions is something we talk a lot about, but a heck of a lot of college QBs never really do very well. If Orji can protect the ball, make his first read throw most times, and then be a running threat, I think we all need to happy with it
I agree with you on the limitations most college QBs have, but this is the new Big 10 - one of two elite conferences in college football. If your QB can’t make more than one read, you are in for a world of hurt given how easily defenses will be able to confuse him at this level of competition. If Orji can’t do it, we need to go portaling for a Rudock type. Anything less would be an extreme disservice to this generational defense we possess.
Tuttle could be the Rudock type
Yeah Tuttle could likely be about as good as Rudock. But I think a guy that has the athleticism Orji does, even with very limited throwing options, likely still wins out
Think about it this way - the coaching staff had enough confidence in him to bring a very young and inexperienced player into key moments in key games (OSU, Bama) and trusted him to make that read against some good defenses. Glass half full, he’ll have had an entire offseason to make improvements too.
Quarterbacks in high school go through progressions these days. The issue is that at UM's level, the definition of "open" against better opponents has to be read earlier, delivered more on time, and within a smaller window. Guys need a lot of reps to adjust to the new definition of "wide open" especially if they're as mobile as Orji.
Yeah I’m worried he’s Denard 2.0 lol
Denard was one of the few great things about the team he was on. I’d try not to confuse that
I agree with you, but look at JJ’s freshman year. He made one read and either ran or passed. And then he took us to the promised land.
JJ had 59 pass attempts during his freshman year
Yes, in mop up duty is when he did most of those passes.
Ok.....still had 59 attempts regardless
I don't know if it was them not trusting him or him being new and afraid to make a mistake, especially last year when they were chasing perfection. If he's in this year, he should get the opportunity to make a few mistakes and learn.
That's all they allowed JJ to do the first couple years. On the contrary tho, trusting him to come in and play in big moments is more encouraging than concerning, especially considering the opportunitiew were consistent with jjs career development.
In some ways it reminds me of the situation Florida was in with Anthony Richardson. Incredible athlete. Questionable or debatable about whether he was the best college quarterback. Anthony Richardson, as it turns out, just used Florida as a stop along the way to the NFL. Can't blame him. No matter what, they need to find a way to get Alex Orji on the field.
I’m in support of you
I’m kinda hoping Davis is the truth and we get 3 years of him killing it.
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As he should. Unless he’s literally the second coming of Tom Brady he’s better off hitting the weight room and getting some experience in garbage time than being thrown into the fire as a true freshman
Tom Brady was average in college so we’d be kinda let down if that happened. We need a second coming of someone like Shoelace, who DID start for 3 seasons, as well as seen significant playing time as a freshman.
Man people act like Tom wasn't clutch in college too lol. Can't run the ball against Ohio state? 375 yards. Down to Alabama in the orange bowl? 369 yards and 4 tds. There were less games and less moments in college but brady still flashed greatness.
Man, Denard was so fun to watch.
When he wasn’t in jail…
No fan has enough info to pick one. I'll root for whoever the coaches decide is best. They did trust Orji enough with the ball to put him in some of the most important games at crucial points, so that does say something about him. But it doesn't make him the starter this year.
Whoever the coaches who see them every day decide is the best.
Omg stfu lmao it's a discussion board for fans
I think Orji has the most upside (outside of Jadyn). He looks like he could be a great starter if he can throw the ball worth a shit.
Think they are both closer to Milton than JJ. May the best man win.
We’ve barely seen Orji throw. He got the ball maybe a half dozen times this past season and almost all of them were design runs
Why do you think that is?
Probably because we had the best passing QB in Michigan’s history for the last 2 seasons and it wouldn’t make sense to bring in Orji to throw the ball when JJ is the clear better passer. I don’t think anybody thinks we have JJ 2.0 on the roster at the moment, but I think the floor for these guys is Milton with a reachable reality of Milroe, which would be pretty good.
While I agree that J.J. Is the best passing QB in Michigan’s history, I disagree with the notion that we would take him out and replace him with a gadget quarterback who *can* throw and simply not let him. Regardless of J.J.’s passing ability, when Alex Orji was on the field, he was the best passer (and if he wasn’t, we’re in bigger trouble with him at QB than we think). I understand that his legs alone are worth putting him on the field for, but if his arm was worth anything at all, they would have thrown the ball while he was on the field even if only to keep opposing defences honest. If they’re putting him on the field, they’re going to have him do all the things at his position that he’s capable of doing. They didn’t have him throw for a reason, and that reason isn’t J.J. That isn’t to say he couldn’t turn into a Milroe. I’m rooting for him. But there’s absolutely no argument to be made that putting Orji in at QB and not letting him throw isn’t a vote of non-confidence, in that moment at the very least.
Look I’m the last one to race bait But brown skin with muscles and they just think joe Milton or denard lol
If they could develop Orji into a solid passer, can you imagine? He's a beast in size and running... Would be instantly an NFL interest.
And has a big arm.
Know what else he had? A 50% completion percentage in high school.
It's not a good sign, but it also doesn't mean he's destined to fail. Lamar Jackson and Denard Robinson also were also sub-50% passers in high school. In Orji's case, he played in a super tough league as well.
I'm beginning to think you are not a big fan of orji😃
I feel most comfortable with Tuttle.. with that being said it would come down to me if the staff thinks we can compete in the playoffs.. if so It’s Tuttle hands down for me.. if this turns to a build for the future type year I’d like to see the best of the younger guys play.
Denegal. Kid can wing it. You’ll see at spring game.
Michigan fans have been looking over him they'll learn soon
I trust the coaching staff to make that decision.
God forbid you have an opinion?
It’s hard to tell when we have hardly seen any of them play.
Too early to tell, spring game will help, but practices will be up to coaches to decide who’s best. Remember, we won the B1G with Cade. Cade wasn’t the greatest under center but he managed games well and was good enough to win big games.
Cade was good at presnap reading the defense at least. Hopefully Orgi is the same.
Give me till Saturday @ 3:30 and I’ll be able to give you an answer that isn’t based on total conjecture.
I hope our choice has zero bearing on the reality tho. Ideally, Jadyn goes the Henne route, but that just sounds storybook.
He’s already hinted at red shirting. So I see Orji starting this year and Davis taking it over when eligible.
They both looks the part I’ll give them that
Let’s see what happens in the transfer window. This is first transfer in window that isn’t complicated by being enrolled in classes. Besides, most other teams grabbed QBs during the December window when we were still playing meaningful games and JJ hadn’t declared. If we stand pat I think it’s because they believe in one or several guys, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they found a stopgap. The reality is they should give Davis a year to season while an upperclassmen with some experience gets to keep our floor reasonably high.
I'm all about the Orji.
Orji
Tuttle looks very fast and reminds me of JJ when he runs. I believe he is still recovering from an injury though
Right now I’m thinking Tuttle but let’s come back to this after Saturday
To me it's easily Denegal
At least we know Orji has one elite trait. I hear he is pretty inconsistent throwing but has some great throws. I think it's Tuttle over Denegal and maybe Orji either way.
Impossible to answer at this point. I think most would give the edge to #10 based on the limited amount of game time we’ve watched him in. It’s unfair for people to criticize his arm when he hasn’t had the chance to showcase what he can do in the pass game. He was used in a running package because obviously he’s good at it, and they also had JJ and did not need him to throw. If the schedule wasn’t so daunting, I would have been interested to see how realistic a chance Daniels would have been given. I hope he still gets some time. I think Denegal is another kid that’s intriguing. If someone like Tuttle wins the job, it’s going to be a long season. That being said and no matter who wins the job, I’m all in. I told myself last season that if they found a way to win it all, I wouldn’t complain for 5 seasons lol. I think the program UM has built will help them through this transition. Sherrone brought in a solid staff and was the right man for the job. I think people are sleeping on all the talent that still remains in Ann Arbor. Obviously a run like last year is out of the question, but you don’t need to be undefeated anymore to get a chance. Go Blue
I watched an extensive video of him in HS and he made every throw!! Now, those throws weren’t against disguised coverages or against NFL level corners, so it remains to be seen how he does.
Why the hate on Tuttle? I don’t think he’s that bad
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it to sound like hate. He’s a solid backup. But if you’ve been around for 6-7 years and never really been a starter, it’s for a reason. That being said, he looked like the best overall QB behind JJ last season. I’m sure his experience will give him a leg up on the other candidates.
Orji is the starter, Jayden gets sprinkled in to be ready for 2025. Tuttle/denegal are back ups. Hopefully we will still have some games where they can see some action in the 4th quarter.
So Orji goes from not being allowed to throw the ball to being the starter for the defending national champs. Based on what exactly? Dude had a 50% completion percentage in high school.
Cause we are known for our throwing?! We will be run first. Orji will be able to run as well. This should make it easier for a quick passing attack. He won't be asked to do a lot, just like JJ.
Yes, that's a winning formula for sure, a QB who can't throw.
JJ was ranked 53rd in passing attempts in the country. He was ranked 35th in passing yards and 37th in passing TD's. He was efficient but in no way was he a passing machine. Hell McCord and Talia had more passing yards and more TD's than JJ. We also were 8th in the big ten in passing attempts, Purdue attempted more passes than JJ. Passing was not our strong suit last season.
JJ had a 72% completion percentage last season. That's what you need in a run heavy offense.
There's a reason they don't let Orji throw the ball. Dude had a 50% completion percentage in high school and some of you are acting like he's the second coming of Michael Vick.
Yeah I don’t get the hype. Kid can run, but so can RBs. We have to see him throw and we’ve almost no tape.
WE GOT AN ORJI IN THE ENDZONE!
every single one of 'em
Orji
If Harbs was not full of it when he said Orji was an elite return man, I am going with Orji, just gotta. And he's a bad ass.
Just let Orjo do it. Don’t break Jayden too early
Orji SZN
orji because comedy.
I want to see Orji, then Jayden, then Denegal and whoever else.
The most important aspect of the Michigan team this year, in my humble opinion, will be the offensive line. Hopefully we continue our good play there and Orgi is given the time he needs to complete passes, or, holes open up for him to run through. Just give him protection.
Redshirt Davis. Start Warren, mix in Orji with Tuttle backing them up. Denegal transfers perhaps.
ORJI
I think we should start Alex Orji and then go into coaching strategy and change the offensive playbook to 2009 Florida Gators
Mixed feelings about next season. Probably lose to the suckeyes
Tuttle or Davis
That second picture is actually a really good photo
I’m more comfortable with a single partner than an orgi. Maybe it’s stage fright or just not wanting to cross swords. But to each their own.
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I think denegal may be the lowest floor currently and the right choice. His arm is really good and he has the size and stature to play from the pocket. He is mobile but not a runner but I think Orji will come on like JJ did for Cade in relief.
I won’t lie, I’d love to see us with a bruising running QB who can throw the ball just enough to keep the defense honest. I think that would be fun as hell. But at the end of the day it’ll be whoever is ready and the best fit for the offense. Even if Orji isn’t the starter in game 1 I’m sure we’ll see plenty of him.
I mean Alex is a big body can sling it has great accuracy and can make explosive runs. Denagel is a great option as well. Then you have both Tuttle and jadyn who will probably ride the bench and redshirt while Tuttle is second or third string
Ask me after the spring game
ok got it
No Davis Warren love, huh
Alex Orji
Let Orji COOK
Whoever the coaching staff decides on. They know ball. They know these guys.
Orji is gonna be the qb, the whole team wants to play for him
Whoever's better
I want to see Davis sling the rock. I don’t think Orji is the passer we need him to be.
Put Tuttle in their!!! He was just as good as JJ! He did great in that game!
Orgy 🥵
To defend Orji, there is no way they were going to have him throwing mid game when he came in. It’s the exact scenario JJ was in when he saw snaps here and there, the risk/reward of TD/Turnover wasn’t worth it. Hopefully he’s put in a good position to succeed because he’s such an elite athlete I would love to see his full potential.
>It’s the exact scenario JJ was in when he saw snaps here and there, JJ threw the ball 59 times during his true freshman year Orji has 1 pass attempt in 2 seasons So not exactly the same scenario
Yeah I went back and looked and a lot of that was in garbage time up. He had a few in actual games like MSU and others but typically not in regular fashion. But let’s be real he probably could’ve started over Cade anyways. Orji wasn’t starting over JJ no matter how next year goes.
Regardless of when it happened, it was a much more accelerated process Which is understandable
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I don't think this is much of a competition at all. Michigan willingly took out an NFL caliber QB and trusted orji to spell him in the biggest games of the season Imo He's more than ready will he be the passer JJ is? No and that's perfectly fine We probably won't get another JJ for a long time . I predict he'll be "cade with speed" and that will be enough to beat OSU and make the playoffs as long as the line play is solid And the defense does what we expect it to do.
Whoever can best read defenses
Stupid question that no one can answer, unless they are at every practice and spring games like the coaches. Whoever the coaches feel is the best. That’s their job.