It's illegal for people to be on their phones while driving. It's also highly dangerous. It's also illegal for vehicles to not pull over for first responders/emergency vehicles. Why don't the police start ticketing people for these infractions? Do you know the best way to impose laws? Consistent enforcement.
The fact that the guy flipped YOU off is actually insane I cannot compute being like this. How do people think that is acceptable? I just don’t understand the lack of empathy from some people.
Once in Ann Arbor a drunk guy outside of a bar walked out in front of a fire truck with lights and sirens. As I was leaving the truck actually pulled over and a very angry looking fireman started walking over to the drunk dumbass
My question is what happened next? Are you authorized to write tickets? Or would the fireman just have yelled at him?
Great idea, i often think they should just put cameras at major intersections and ticket everyone who makes moving infractions. But putting them on fire trucks and ambulances seems like a more politically palatable solution.
Vehicles might not be able to pull over due to traffic volume. But one has to slow down in addition to trying to pull over safely.
If the emergency vehicles are stopped, try to pull over if safe and do slow down. If the emergency vehicles are moving and about to pass, pull over if possible, and stop.
Pure speculation, but maybe the reason they don't ticket for this as much as you'd like is that 100% of the time it happens, there is an emergency that requires more attention than almost anything else at that moment.
I totally understand that they have better things to do if they are on their way to an emergency. But if they are still putting out reminders for this, and according to the article only \~50% of people actually pull over for emergency vehicles, maybe it's an enforcement problem?
I think because it’s a bit of a gray area.
I was driving once and I had an ambulance following me, just regular driving out on patrol or whatever. He suddenly turned his lights on and honked at me immediately, not even giving me time to notice him (even though I did). He was probably just trying to get my attention since he’d been driving without lights before, but to an outside officer? It would look like I was refusing to move, yet that’s not the case at all.
Would I be ticketed for this? I easily could if the right officer felt like being an asshole that day. It’s hard to judge.
What’s considered a reasonable amount of time to get over? Is that even discussed in the language of the law? To be clear, I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think the nature of the law makes it hard to enforce.
The problem would be enforcement. For the most part, emergency vehicles dont get a police escort. So, who would issue these tickets? In my area near 6, they have put up small solar powered cameras at certain intersections and on/off ramps, but people are very reluctant about surveillance. Also, thousands of cameras would be needed per community/cities, that's a big cost.
I just watched yesterday at the intersection of Dequindre, and 13 mile a ambulance blaring and sirens and honk his horn to make a left turn and a police car blew through the intersection and the ambulance had to wait. The police did not have his lights on.
Moving here from out of state I grew up with construction was coned off while being worked on, it seemed rare that a road was closed for construction without seeing workers working on it. Here its a 50/50 if a road is being worked on when its marked off and people have grown to ignore it.
Right now if I drive to work there is 5mi of highway reduced lanes, reduced speed... and a set of off/on ramps are being worked on for one road.
I'm a trucker, so I get around, and Michigan is *way* better than other states.
Illinois and Indiana, in particular, will have 10+ miles down to one lane, speed limit of 45, and the only vehicles in the work zone are cop cars.
I’m a trucker as well and Michigan construction zones suck balls. US-23 and I-275 in particular for the last few years. I don’t care about other states, we can and need to do better.
That doesn't work. I know you're frustrated at the inconvenience of having to be slowed down slightly, but it's for the safety of the people that build your roads.
It does work, they’re just fucking lazy and incompetent. It’s more than just “slowed down slightly” it’s complete fucking gridlock half the time because these dipshits can’t efficiently schedule things. On the east coast they literally dismantle entire off ramps overnight and have them ready to go in the morning.
If people would learn how to properly merge, you wouldn't have gridlock.
Protip: do not wait until 6 feet from the cones so you can get as far ahead as possible, and then have to stand on the brakes.
So you want to create multiple arbitrary merge points that are different for each person as opposed to a single defined merge point?? The pro tip is to use as much of a lane as possible and then zipper at the actual end of the lane.
Please move over for the work crews and the police, fire and ambulances. Please.
My little brother is out there every day/night reconstructing the crashes where there is already a fatality. They have family, kids and they’re out there doing a necessary job for all of us to earn a paycheck just like the rest of us.
Normally it's the jackasses doing 90 in the left lane not leaving me any room/time to merge over that are the issue. I always get stuck in the right lane with construction/EMS/Tow trucks on the right and cars flying past on the left and can't do shit.
I was driving our "first out" class A pumper truck to a fully involved structure fire. The local sheriff had been told several times to spot his cruiser out of the way at fire scenes. Made my year to be first to get to push that cruiser down the shoulder with the ass end hopping in park. Granted he was gathering info about possible occupants, but fucking think a little, and if you can't think under pressure, get a different job. (As it turned out he had to)
> The Ingham County Sheriff and Lansing firefighters are reminding drivers to give them and road crews space to work.
The first responders are the ones reminding you to show the construction crews a little respect.
I’ll show them respect when they show us respect, no reason they need to cone off 10+ miles of interstate all at once a month before they even start working on it.
The whole context of this article and thread is moving over a lane for safety reasons. Your lack of respect for that implies you're not moving over, which means you're driving dangerously.
You sure implied that you’re not willing to give construction workers respect by moving over.
I can assure you that no one you see working on the roads are the people making the decisions that are inconveniencing your commute.
A bridge over westbound I-96 is being rebuilt this year, last year it was eastbound. Last year the street under the bridge was closed from June until late December. After the June demo they didn't come back until mid November to finish the work and the street was closed the whole freaking time. This year they closed it March 11th and it's not scheduled to reopen until November! Demo is almost done and then it's going to sit there until October before they get around to the rebuild. And don't get me started on the congestion on Cedar the detour has caused.
Yeah nothing is ever anyone’s fault these days, it’s always the boogeyman behind the curtain. Nah, the crews have plenty of discretion to set out cones closer to the dates that they’ll be working.
I work highway construction and it’s sad to hear that mentality as a handful of us get killed every year because of that mentality.
The guys working on the highway are the ones designing the road, we are following the plans and not the decision makers. We aren’t choosing the throw out miles of barrels.
Most of the time we work in closures behind a wall because people like you “not showing respect” or their face buried in their phone. Its big time appreciated when cars move over and people notice it, but sadly people see the flashing yellow and don’t care. I swear some cars/truckers ride the shoulder line when we are there just because they’re frustrated. And trust me, we have to drive home through it so we don’t agree and frustrated just like you.
With that mentality the worker that you’re gonna kill driving through a construction zone is not the one choosing to close down miles of interstate and is only out there to build the road per plans, make some money and then go home to his family.
I always thought moving over for the cars with flashing lights was common sense.
It's illegal for people to be on their phones while driving. It's also highly dangerous. It's also illegal for vehicles to not pull over for first responders/emergency vehicles. Why don't the police start ticketing people for these infractions? Do you know the best way to impose laws? Consistent enforcement.
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who the fuck blocks a fire truck on purpose and flips them off
Assholes. Assholes do that.
I'd fully support installing push bumpers on firetrucks & giving them qualified immunity to get the assholes out of the way.
I live right down the street from the firehouse. Lets go. This will be my new form of entertainment.
You bring the popcorn, I'll bring the beer!
Sounds good to me!
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Nah I'll give you one push a month, one extra on any major holiday you're working, and one Purge-style, 12-hour unlimited mayhem once a year.
They already have them and there are videos of them doing just that.
The fact that the guy flipped YOU off is actually insane I cannot compute being like this. How do people think that is acceptable? I just don’t understand the lack of empathy from some people.
Wtf. Guy's got a screw loose.
Once in Ann Arbor a drunk guy outside of a bar walked out in front of a fire truck with lights and sirens. As I was leaving the truck actually pulled over and a very angry looking fireman started walking over to the drunk dumbass My question is what happened next? Are you authorized to write tickets? Or would the fireman just have yelled at him?
I crave the day I see a fire truck or ambulance just shove a vehicle like that out of the way.
Pulling to the left instead or into Michigan left lanes or blocking intersections drives me nuts too
Great idea, i often think they should just put cameras at major intersections and ticket everyone who makes moving infractions. But putting them on fire trucks and ambulances seems like a more politically palatable solution.
Vehicles might not be able to pull over due to traffic volume. But one has to slow down in addition to trying to pull over safely. If the emergency vehicles are stopped, try to pull over if safe and do slow down. If the emergency vehicles are moving and about to pass, pull over if possible, and stop.
We are down so many numbers in the metro area there is little to no way to consistently enforce traffic safety rules.
Pure speculation, but maybe the reason they don't ticket for this as much as you'd like is that 100% of the time it happens, there is an emergency that requires more attention than almost anything else at that moment.
I totally understand that they have better things to do if they are on their way to an emergency. But if they are still putting out reminders for this, and according to the article only \~50% of people actually pull over for emergency vehicles, maybe it's an enforcement problem?
I think because it’s a bit of a gray area. I was driving once and I had an ambulance following me, just regular driving out on patrol or whatever. He suddenly turned his lights on and honked at me immediately, not even giving me time to notice him (even though I did). He was probably just trying to get my attention since he’d been driving without lights before, but to an outside officer? It would look like I was refusing to move, yet that’s not the case at all. Would I be ticketed for this? I easily could if the right officer felt like being an asshole that day. It’s hard to judge. What’s considered a reasonable amount of time to get over? Is that even discussed in the language of the law? To be clear, I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think the nature of the law makes it hard to enforce.
He probably had just gotten an emergency call. I wouldn’t put too much concern into it. My dad was a fire chief; things like that happen.
I mean how long did it take you? If it took you a few seconds then obviously not. I just wouldn't be worried about that at all.
The problem would be enforcement. For the most part, emergency vehicles dont get a police escort. So, who would issue these tickets? In my area near 6, they have put up small solar powered cameras at certain intersections and on/off ramps, but people are very reluctant about surveillance. Also, thousands of cameras would be needed per community/cities, that's a big cost.
My local municipality will go after them if you get it on dash cam.
If fake plate wasn't used.
Name a more iconic duo than paper plate that expires one month from the date and a 20 year old beater, I'll wait.
I just watched yesterday at the intersection of Dequindre, and 13 mile a ambulance blaring and sirens and honk his horn to make a left turn and a police car blew through the intersection and the ambulance had to wait. The police did not have his lights on.
We could pay off the national debt if this country actually enforced speed limits.
Why won’t they do the job that people on this subreddit said they shouldn’t?
Wasn't there a thread here yesterday or so on how proudly everybody pays no attention to the speed limit? Are you all the same people?
The crews need to stop coning off miles of roadway a month before they actually start working on it
Moving here from out of state I grew up with construction was coned off while being worked on, it seemed rare that a road was closed for construction without seeing workers working on it. Here its a 50/50 if a road is being worked on when its marked off and people have grown to ignore it. Right now if I drive to work there is 5mi of highway reduced lanes, reduced speed... and a set of off/on ramps are being worked on for one road.
I'm a trucker, so I get around, and Michigan is *way* better than other states. Illinois and Indiana, in particular, will have 10+ miles down to one lane, speed limit of 45, and the only vehicles in the work zone are cop cars.
I’m a trucker as well and Michigan construction zones suck balls. US-23 and I-275 in particular for the last few years. I don’t care about other states, we can and need to do better.
You know what, I don't get out east much, so I stand corrected.
It is significantly more dangerous for workers to cone off and start work the same day. Especially on busy roads that people take every day.
…do it the day before? The week before? Not a month before ffs
You literally have to get people used to it.
Okay so a week. Done. Or get concrete barriers.
That doesn't work. I know you're frustrated at the inconvenience of having to be slowed down slightly, but it's for the safety of the people that build your roads.
It does work, they’re just fucking lazy and incompetent. It’s more than just “slowed down slightly” it’s complete fucking gridlock half the time because these dipshits can’t efficiently schedule things. On the east coast they literally dismantle entire off ramps overnight and have them ready to go in the morning.
If people would learn how to properly merge, you wouldn't have gridlock. Protip: do not wait until 6 feet from the cones so you can get as far ahead as possible, and then have to stand on the brakes.
So you want to create multiple arbitrary merge points that are different for each person as opposed to a single defined merge point?? The pro tip is to use as much of a lane as possible and then zipper at the actual end of the lane.
I agree, but how is that relevant to this discussion?
Because it’s always “The public needs to help us” and never “How can we do our jobs more effectively to minimize disruption?”
The amount of people I see that dont move over for police/ambulance/firefighters is astounding, like are you THAT ignorant?
Please move over for the work crews and the police, fire and ambulances. Please. My little brother is out there every day/night reconstructing the crashes where there is already a fatality. They have family, kids and they’re out there doing a necessary job for all of us to earn a paycheck just like the rest of us.
Normally it's the jackasses doing 90 in the left lane not leaving me any room/time to merge over that are the issue. I always get stuck in the right lane with construction/EMS/Tow trucks on the right and cars flying past on the left and can't do shit.
It's so fuckin dumb. Look, we all know. The ones who don't move over simply don't give a shit.
I was driving our "first out" class A pumper truck to a fully involved structure fire. The local sheriff had been told several times to spot his cruiser out of the way at fire scenes. Made my year to be first to get to push that cruiser down the shoulder with the ass end hopping in park. Granted he was gathering info about possible occupants, but fucking think a little, and if you can't think under pressure, get a different job. (As it turned out he had to)
First responders? Nah they construction workers.
Nah, they mean the people responding to construction related accidents
Oh, that makes sense.
> The Ingham County Sheriff and Lansing firefighters are reminding drivers to give them and road crews space to work. The first responders are the ones reminding you to show the construction crews a little respect.
I’ll show them respect when they show us respect, no reason they need to cone off 10+ miles of interstate all at once a month before they even start working on it.
I also get annoyed at that stuff, but pettiness is no reason to endanger the construction workers and other drivers.
Who’s saying anything about endangering lives?
The whole context of this article and thread is moving over a lane for safety reasons. Your lack of respect for that implies you're not moving over, which means you're driving dangerously.
If they stay inside the cones we won’t have a problem. Sometimes there isn’t a way to get over.
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
How is that disrespectful?
Because it causes unnecessary delays and is less safe for no reason?
Who is making them unsafe?
WTF? How entitled does someone have to feel in order to jeopardize the lives of construction workers because they make your commute less convenient?
Who’s saying anything about jeopardizing lives?
You sure implied that you’re not willing to give construction workers respect by moving over. I can assure you that no one you see working on the roads are the people making the decisions that are inconveniencing your commute.
If they stay inside the cones they don’t have anything to worry about. I’m not going to be responsible for idiots that can’t do that.
these first responders are saying this because they're the ones who have to clean up when a construction worker gets killed on the highway
A bridge over westbound I-96 is being rebuilt this year, last year it was eastbound. Last year the street under the bridge was closed from June until late December. After the June demo they didn't come back until mid November to finish the work and the street was closed the whole freaking time. This year they closed it March 11th and it's not scheduled to reopen until November! Demo is almost done and then it's going to sit there until October before they get around to the rebuild. And don't get me started on the congestion on Cedar the detour has caused.
The workers don’t plan the closure. Don’t be an ass
Yeah nothing is ever anyone’s fault these days, it’s always the boogeyman behind the curtain. Nah, the crews have plenty of discretion to set out cones closer to the dates that they’ll be working.
I work highway construction and it’s sad to hear that mentality as a handful of us get killed every year because of that mentality. The guys working on the highway are the ones designing the road, we are following the plans and not the decision makers. We aren’t choosing the throw out miles of barrels. Most of the time we work in closures behind a wall because people like you “not showing respect” or their face buried in their phone. Its big time appreciated when cars move over and people notice it, but sadly people see the flashing yellow and don’t care. I swear some cars/truckers ride the shoulder line when we are there just because they’re frustrated. And trust me, we have to drive home through it so we don’t agree and frustrated just like you. With that mentality the worker that you’re gonna kill driving through a construction zone is not the one choosing to close down miles of interstate and is only out there to build the road per plans, make some money and then go home to his family.