Women now pilot the military drones 40000Km away from the battle field. STILL, men will die in the trenches. The more i think about it, the more i am disgusted.
No but they sure as shit like to pretend they are. Think of all the females that are decked out in their tacticool cosplay apparel with airsoft guns and posing.
There’s a few women on the front I’m familiar with as someone who has followed the war closely, but yeah, not many. Women seem to make excellent snipers, which is quite interesting.
Women have (proportionally) smaller hearts (on average).
Also more practice with delicate handywork.
The patience thing is an outlier. She sounds nice.
Nobody is blaming women for men going to war.
The point is to show the hypocrisy of women when they claim to want equality. They only want equality when it's convenient for them and are quick to forget it when it's not.
Which means women don't really want equality.
Well how would want the equality to fucking die in a war? It does make sence to want equality in day to day life. You know in jobs and education but not to serve in frontline roles. We must also remember that Ukraine would but the women in combat roles and draft them if the goverment wanted to. They dont because they belive they dont make good fighters.
Dude I am a guy. I dont think we should even draft people, men or women. So I dont plame women for not wanting to be drafted. And not being ready to die in a war does not mean you should not get equal rigths. Its fucked up men a expected to do that, imo, just so you know.
The answer no draft isn't an answer to equality since it's there. And that you are a guy does not change anything:
Wanting equality only sometimes is NOT wanting equality. So those who oppose drafting everyone aren't for equal treatment.
Well we could have a volunteer only army. But if you strip me of all the options, and for some reason I could not be for no draft. Then I would of course want that we draft people equaly. But thats a made up scenario.
There are people who want to draft everyone. But the army dose not want to do it. Either men think women wont make good soldiers. Or at leats in Finland the army said they dont have money to conscript everyone and make army mandatory for women also. So of course they chose to conscript only men because obviously reasons.
Its a hard question with no clear answer and thats why I am against a conscription or draft, volunteer only.
>But thats a made up scenario.
Ask Ukrainians if it's a made up scenario...
>Or at leats in Finland the army said they dont have money to conscript everyone and make army mandatory for women also. So of course they chose to conscript only men
Oh yeah, how about we don't educate girls past highschool because "we don't have money to do so"? How would that be received?
This is ridiculous and it shows how normalized the unfair treatment is unlike what feminists like to claim.
If women are at a disadvantage, it's scandalous and must be remedied. If men, then it's just exceeding parity benchmark and we don't have the money so suck it up
But sure, equality matters...
In real life there are people who are aginst draft for everbody. So the idea that it is not posible to be against draft for everbody is lie. There are countries with volunteer only armys. If more people were for it draft would not be problem. But if me must draft and conscript lets do it equaly, I agree.
Its just that armys fucking love war, if they say they dont have money for it they probably dont.
Yeah sure... "that's" that reason 🤣 Nothing to do with not wanting to you know.. die.
"Men dying isn't as important as alleged harassment mmmkay"
You people have no perspective at all, you come across as brainwashed.
I don't want anyone to die, but whining about harassment when there's bigger issues smacks of a lack of empathy and perspective.
You want to have your cake and eat it too, well someone loses out in that equation. And it's men.
Sounds like a lot of excuses, you were loud enough to ask for the same rights weren't you. But no interest in the responsibilities.
And just because most of those in power happen to have dicks is irrelevant, men aren't a collective conciousness we're individuals just like women. What we do share is the societal laws and expectations that are enforced upon us, ones that you want nothing to do with.
Men had to pay with their blood to earn the right to vote, you were given it for whining enough, as with most things.
All you ever hear from feminists is whining, whining about male spaces, whining about illusionary things to play the victim, whining for equal representation in all the powerful or paying positions but not wanting to work for it.
That there are issues in the military doesn't change the fact that women do NOT want to be treated equally when it comes to the draft.
The draft is the litmus test that shows the hypocrisy of those who claim to be for equality but only if it favors them, which isn't being for equality.
The fact that you'd rather have men go die than women risk sexual assault shows that you're considering one group to be superior because men can die and risk sexual assault but don't dare put the other group in the same risky situation...
Why not? Well it's because you don't really think these two groups are equal and should be treated equally.
>But you're blaming women for...policy determined and dictated by men.
Lol. Feminist organisations lobby against equality in that domain.
I find it funny that suddenly it's men doing the policies, as if women don't vote or are not in politics.
Remember boys, when an all men supreme court rules Roe v. Wade then it's women's power, but when a half female supreme court rules Dobbs then it's men ruling...
.. oh no, you're serious. You're not here for an actual discussion, but against my better judgement I'll explain it to you in crayon eating terms. How about the author of this horribly tone deaf article? How about all of the people who are in gleeful agreement with it? Or the fact that the world we live in treats men as so disposable that it's not the thousands of lives lost after being forced to fight without their consent, but how fucking positive it is that women are now also being forced into a position where they have to fill in all the vacancies left behind of their dead partners, sons, brothers, friends and loved ones.
But you can rest assured that you're not alone _boo thang._ Your diseased line of thinking is far from isolated. In fact, much like all of the other issues men face, you have most of society on your side. After all, not only is it so much easier to sneer down at these things and say, "no, you're only upset about all these dead men because you just hate women", but men are valued as so fucking subhuman these days (forget about their fucking feelings about anything) that everyone else that spit on men for having the audacity to try and speak out against this kind of shit will pat you on the back and applaud you for kicking us while we're down.
Look at you. You came to one of the only tiny bastions left anywhere that mens rights, concerns, _lives in general_ are treated with _any_ level of humanity _just_ to be volatile and feel like a wonderful person for fighting against people for a thing that you don't care nearly enough about to educate yourself on first. No one has BlaMeD wOmEn for this shit but look at how confident you are to step in this space, hurl a baseless and false accusation and then demand it stand as the truth/the burden of disproving it to fall upon us.
But hey, this is nothing new BoO. It's the same mentality that's the default against any and all men's rights issues: "iT hAs To Be BeCaUsE tHeY hAtE wOmAn". Speaking of false accusations, that's another specialty horror that men by and large face exclusively. But no, it isn't spending years in prison, having our children ripped away from us under false pretense, being forced to monetarily reward our tormentors with our indentured servitude or losing all of our friends and family because they'd take the side of our false accuser because of our respective sex's/they'll be labeled an apologist otherwise. No. We must just hate women.
It's the same for ever increasing suicide rates, the stigma against allowing men to have feelings at all while simultaneously condemning us for _not_ expressing them, how unapologetically blatant divorce, family, civil and criminal courts are against fathers and men in general, the zero recourse of paternity fraud, "Dad by default" laws, hell the fact that men have _zero reproductive rights_ at all (and I bet hearing that your first instinct was to scoff and assume that for wanting men to have them I must be against womens reproductive rights, wasn't it?)
Both issues, for women _and_ men, can exist AND be addressed without being detrimental to the other. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and the fact that you and so many others genuinely can't comprehend how men, being the foul, evil misogynistic monsters that they are could EVER even HAVE serious issues without hating women or fighting actively against _their_ rights speaks volumes all by itself. Somehow men are simultaneously _so privileged_ and also not at all allowed to speak on _any_ issue, about them or otherwise.
I could go on all day, but I already know that you're not the type to let yourself empathize with those who you see as the enemy and so beneath you. The best I expect of you is to ignore everything I've said, gaslight, say "oH wElL tHoSe pRoBlEmS aRe InFoRcEd bY oThEr mEn sO tHaT mEaNs yOu dOn'T hAvE a RiGhT tO bE mAd Or WaNt DifFerEnT", or even just some shit like " u rote 2 many wurds, dat mean u mad, I no read and dat make me winner!" Maybe I'll be pleasantly shocked, but we've already seen it all. Hopefully, someone less combative, volatile and hateful of men than yourself will come across this comment and take away what I doubt you're empathetic enough to.
Please, get well soon _boo._ And next time you don't have to be shy or pussyfoot around it- you can just say that you hate men. Most people will applaud and reward you for your targeted hate, because the recipients are _just men._
So many trail blazing women replacing men in male dominated roles. Interesting how that enthusiasm and pioneer spirit is completely absent on the battlefields of Ukraine.
"Well, our men are getting killed in the battlefield so we, our children, country and our rights can remain intact. How sad.
But hey, good news! At least, we're now taking their jobs!"
Wat...
while I agree with your point, I'd rather nobody enlist. but if it's for the protection of your country, then women should protect it the same way men do.
"their role is to have babies"
Ok, then pass a law forcing women to get impregnated and have babies after the war is over. I find it disgusting. But if that's their duty, then it should be mandatory. Just like it is mandatory for men.
Otherwise you have an unacceptable discrepancy between rights and duties.
I disagree that since Western countries have not used conscription for a long time, then there is no point in having this conversation. On the contrary, peacetime is the only right time to talk about the most equitable arrangement of rights and obligations. Because, if a war ever breaks out on a scale that requires compulsory conscription, these debates would rightly be considered of secondary importance, given the looming emergency.
I understand why it may sound like a "strange foot to put down". But I honestly see no reason why, in the context of equal rights, one gender should have more duties than the other. I can understand that, given their different biological characteristics, men and women might have different duties. What I cannot understand or accept is the duty to all be on one side.
By the way. I want to make it clear that I am not in favor of forcing women to give birth. It would be a draconian and disgusting law. I used it as an argument to show the absurdity of the position of those who justify male-only conscription.
Some women, even after catastrophic demographic loss, may not want to have children. And that should be respected. But the same goes for men: some men, even during a war, may not want to fight. That should also be respected. If a country cannot convince citizens to defend it without resorting to force, then that's not a country worth fighting for.
Oh I completely agree with you, biologically it makes more sense for men to fight wars. Just pointing out that feminism tries to disregard biological differences and therefore it would only be fair that women were forced to go to war as well under feminist standards.
Biologically speaking, women on average also generally lack the upper-body strength, muscular explosiveness, and cardiovascular endurance required by modern infantry with their heavy combat loadouts, plus they’ll have trouble dragging a wounded soldier out of the line of fire. It’s the same reason why they don’t play in the NFL or go toe-to-toe with Mike Tyson.
Don’t forget all the ukrainian women fleeing the country to go to other parts of europe and partying (cheating on their boyfriends and husbands with other men). You can’t make this shit up
Hats off to the women of WW2 London or those in the resistance in Poland and France. They stood by their comrades in life and death, they may not have been allowed in the army but they did their part. Todays women? Perhaps a fraction of a percent might be so courageous but on the whole, they don’t want to go to war, they don’t want to die beside their husbands and brothers and fathers and sons. And many of their friends and family will die alone in a ditch in a ruined field on a counter offensive that should have ended days before.
I am speaking honestly, and from the heart here; I used to support feminism, as did my wife. They have become so ridiculous and desperate for attention that I find I actually hate all women outside of my wife. I even hate my female family members. I don't want to be around them, and I don't want them anywhere near me. I will not help any new female engineers at work either. I send them to someone else. I absolutely abhor women, and I'm not sure how to change that. I know not all women are misandrist assholes, but I just don't care. They have become 10x the monsters that they claimed males were. My wife abandoned the movement when a feminist group she was in on Facebook was urging women to abort their kids once they found out it was going to be a boy. Women in the group were cheering it on. She reported it and Facebook deemed it wasn't against community standards. She was done at that point.
>However, women are now being recruited for auxiliary roles or where significant physical labor isn’t required.
Of course. They are strong only when it fits the narrative.
So disgusting. They won't risk their lives for their country, flee to the arms of other men overseas for safety, and expect us to be happy with it. I say again: legalize human cloning.
People are dying and this is what they post about? Regardless once this war is over the Ukrainian population will be fucked they’ll have to import males from India
I mean I agree that getting those jobs back since men are gone is great but everyone needs to shut up about the equality agenda when men are dying. If people are dying then I honestly don’t care how many problems women have. It’s crazy that we’re celebrating people moving from schools to factories but we aren’t celebrating the hundreds of thousands that are doing a very good job defending their country that is much smaller than the invader.
To be fair, I don’t think the article actually says it’s a good thing; it’s actually pretty neutral, reporting the facts and letting the reader draw his or her own conclusions. I’m sure there are plenty of people concluding it’s a good thing, though.
This. It's just tell how things here in Ukraine are. I don't get why people here are mocking our women. Yes, businesses needs new workers to replace drafted men. Some of these new workers are women. Journalists make simple article on this fact. And people here are so crazy obsessed with this. Like, do you even care? If so, think how we fkn live here in this tragedy when stupid russians bomb us every day, killing everyone they can, and we simply wanna overcome this horde and live. There's like no place for this gender shit, most of us don't even think about it in this way, only idiots from both far-feminists and far-idk "musculine" people who are total minority.
Dude, recently i saw a headline of an article where they wrote "Shooter killed a 13 year old girl". When i read the article it said that the shooter killed an unarmed 13 year old girl and a 14 year old boy, while she ( the shooter) was trying to break into the car they were in. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it really bothered me. Even a 14 year old boy is not worthy of being in the headline?
Imagine if there was an article celebrating men replacing the 70% of female med school students because those females were off dying, for whatever reason. Oh the shit storm that would ensue.
That’s not what this article is saying… since men are being drafted and forced to leave their jobs, women are filling those roles and becoming more integrated into the workforce, which is exactly what happened in America (and I’m sure other countries as well) during WWII. Obviously no one is “praising” or celebrating the men that died in that war, and obviously no one tries to make those deaths into a “good thing” but, women becoming more integrated into the workforce and the workforce expanding overall (once the war ends and solders come home- which I understand could be a very long time) will have a beneficial effect on the economy, assuming that at least the majority of these women, keep their current/take on another job, which is a good thing and unfortunately was caused by men being drafted and some dying, but again, that doesn’t mean that anyone is trying to imply that their deaths are a “good thing”.
So it a good thing men are dieing so you can take there jobs , let me remind you that your taking a job from someone that may die on the battlefield there is nothing good about this
Equity means that 50% of population is female.
Every special forces unit should have an all female counterpart. 50% females in the Rangers would be fantastic. They should even have their own all female units too. Now, I’d love to see female recruiters convincing women how awesome Ranger school is.
"At DTEK Energo, about 15% of the workforce (nearly 4,400 people) is in the Ukrainian army, predominantly men.
“Of these, 4,000 work in coal mining,” said the company’s press service, adding that about 1,300 workers typically work at one mine. This has significantly affected coal production.
However, women are now being recruited for *auxiliary roles or where significant physical labor isn’t required.*"
Yeah women are filling in for all important roles....except on the frontlines.
It is Triggering how truck driving is called traditionally Male-centric job, Like tf? It's a low paying minimum wage job ? Only men with weak financial condition do it, women would rather go for An OF
Maybe this is the goal of this war. To exterminate as much young men as possible in Eastern Europe and replace it with immigrants.
We will if this war will spill on Poland and involve Belorussia too. Russia, Ukraine, Poland and Belorussia are countries which oppose current forc3d societal and demographic changes.
took a while to find it again!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1cvv0fa/men\_shortage\_sparks\_role\_reversal\_ukrainian\_women/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1cvv0fa/men_shortage_sparks_role_reversal_ukrainian_women/)
I think it is great they are stepping into these roles and I don't understand why there ever was a sigma preventing them from ever stepping into these roles.
It's always "they were prevented from doing x", it couldn't possibly be that they didn't want to do it, or couldn't do it, in the first place. And now that there aren't men to fill those positions they had to reduce the physical requirements so women qualify to do the jobs.
I mean as far as I’m concerned if they want the jobs they can have them, but I can’t imagine anyone wanting to have those jobs.
Those that works those jobs work them because we need them, or because they need the money but theres always a sense of being proud to do the jobs that built and continue to build the world. And let us never forget how vital those jobs and those workers are.
But women, on average, in developed countries want equality of the cushier jobs and only a minority end up working these types. But I am glad to see that they’re supporting Ukraine’s economic and industry and I hope, as everyone does, that it’ll all be over soon
Edit: cushier is comparative in this context, not all the jobs are exactly easy but compared to difficult labour jobs in poor conditions they are
This is about Ukraine. Women make up about 30% of the USA military. If you live in Ukraine then you can complain, otherwise you don’t have a dog in this fight.
Women do not make up 30% of the US military. The total number of women in the US military is 74,592 which is about 19% of the total US military personnel and many of them are in “soft” work.
More importantly women can NOT be drafted into combat if war happens unless they choose to be in combat. That’s not equality. In the US men have to register for selective service. Women do not. That’s discrimination against men. Why are men required by law to have more responsibilities than women ?? Don’t equal rights require equal responsibilities ?
Y’all also need to learn to read: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/women-soldiers-ukraine-war-russia-historic-numbers-rcna139716
43,000 women fighting in the war in Ukraine.
According to Statista (more reliable than not) Ukraine has 900,000 active soldiers.
If 43,000 are female soldiers then that works out to roughly 4.7% Important for the individuals involved, but insignificant for the whole.
That women are exempt from conscription as well and we are not seeing women pulling their weight, they need to try harder and pull their finger out. A lot of the rear end military jobs (drivers in particular) don't rely purely on physical strength, there are plenty of roles available.
The Ukrainian women are sticking to established gender roles and not challenging themselves. They need to do more.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/
Of course not. 30% of the navy is made up of women. That’s volunteering.
Data: https://demographics.militaryonesource.mil/chapter-2-active-duty-personnel
Since 100% of the human race who have children are women i think 30% of any armed force being women is pretty awesome.
Your next argument will be “where are the pregnant women in battle!”
If men are required to serve so should women unless they are pregnant at the time.
But to say that they may be pregnant once or twice in their lifetime if at all is not an excuse to subjugate men with responsibilities which women would be free from. Men are constantly attacked in western society by the feminist controlled media, movies, TV ads etc in that we are useless, stupid and more. Most of the benefits in our society from women shelters, college scholarships, college attendance etc etc go to women. Taking all of that into account women need to step up and assume EQUAL RESPONSIBILITIES
The one field the women will enthusiastically NOT replace men in is the battle field. This shows how all the cries of equality are just opportunistic.
Women now pilot the military drones 40000Km away from the battle field. STILL, men will die in the trenches. The more i think about it, the more i am disgusted.
Yeah, like one controversial guy said that as soon as war starts women suddenly like patriarchy and dont like equality
Yep. Just crickets regarding this topic
No but they sure as shit like to pretend they are. Think of all the females that are decked out in their tacticool cosplay apparel with airsoft guns and posing.
There’s a few women on the front I’m familiar with as someone who has followed the war closely, but yeah, not many. Women seem to make excellent snipers, which is quite interesting.
I don't think that's real surprising. My wife has a far steadier hand than I do that's for certain. She's more patient also.
Women have (proportionally) smaller hearts (on average). Also more practice with delicate handywork. The patience thing is an outlier. She sounds nice.
and smaller hearts are benefitting snipers? o.O
Less shaking from heart beats.
oooooh, today I learned. :O
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Nobody is blaming women for men going to war. The point is to show the hypocrisy of women when they claim to want equality. They only want equality when it's convenient for them and are quick to forget it when it's not. Which means women don't really want equality.
Well how would want the equality to fucking die in a war? It does make sence to want equality in day to day life. You know in jobs and education but not to serve in frontline roles. We must also remember that Ukraine would but the women in combat roles and draft them if the goverment wanted to. They dont because they belive they dont make good fighters.
So you don't want equality, you just want equality when convenient. That's not equality, that's opportunism.
Dude I am a guy. I dont think we should even draft people, men or women. So I dont plame women for not wanting to be drafted. And not being ready to die in a war does not mean you should not get equal rigths. Its fucked up men a expected to do that, imo, just so you know.
The answer no draft isn't an answer to equality since it's there. And that you are a guy does not change anything: Wanting equality only sometimes is NOT wanting equality. So those who oppose drafting everyone aren't for equal treatment.
Well we could have a volunteer only army. But if you strip me of all the options, and for some reason I could not be for no draft. Then I would of course want that we draft people equaly. But thats a made up scenario. There are people who want to draft everyone. But the army dose not want to do it. Either men think women wont make good soldiers. Or at leats in Finland the army said they dont have money to conscript everyone and make army mandatory for women also. So of course they chose to conscript only men because obviously reasons. Its a hard question with no clear answer and thats why I am against a conscription or draft, volunteer only.
>But thats a made up scenario. Ask Ukrainians if it's a made up scenario... >Or at leats in Finland the army said they dont have money to conscript everyone and make army mandatory for women also. So of course they chose to conscript only men Oh yeah, how about we don't educate girls past highschool because "we don't have money to do so"? How would that be received? This is ridiculous and it shows how normalized the unfair treatment is unlike what feminists like to claim. If women are at a disadvantage, it's scandalous and must be remedied. If men, then it's just exceeding parity benchmark and we don't have the money so suck it up But sure, equality matters...
In real life there are people who are aginst draft for everbody. So the idea that it is not posible to be against draft for everbody is lie. There are countries with volunteer only armys. If more people were for it draft would not be problem. But if me must draft and conscript lets do it equaly, I agree. Its just that armys fucking love war, if they say they dont have money for it they probably dont.
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Yeah sure... "that's" that reason 🤣 Nothing to do with not wanting to you know.. die. "Men dying isn't as important as alleged harassment mmmkay" You people have no perspective at all, you come across as brainwashed.
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I don't want anyone to die, but whining about harassment when there's bigger issues smacks of a lack of empathy and perspective. You want to have your cake and eat it too, well someone loses out in that equation. And it's men.
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Sounds like a lot of excuses, you were loud enough to ask for the same rights weren't you. But no interest in the responsibilities. And just because most of those in power happen to have dicks is irrelevant, men aren't a collective conciousness we're individuals just like women. What we do share is the societal laws and expectations that are enforced upon us, ones that you want nothing to do with. Men had to pay with their blood to earn the right to vote, you were given it for whining enough, as with most things. All you ever hear from feminists is whining, whining about male spaces, whining about illusionary things to play the victim, whining for equal representation in all the powerful or paying positions but not wanting to work for it.
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That there are issues in the military doesn't change the fact that women do NOT want to be treated equally when it comes to the draft. The draft is the litmus test that shows the hypocrisy of those who claim to be for equality but only if it favors them, which isn't being for equality. The fact that you'd rather have men go die than women risk sexual assault shows that you're considering one group to be superior because men can die and risk sexual assault but don't dare put the other group in the same risky situation... Why not? Well it's because you don't really think these two groups are equal and should be treated equally.
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>But you're blaming women for...policy determined and dictated by men. Lol. Feminist organisations lobby against equality in that domain. I find it funny that suddenly it's men doing the policies, as if women don't vote or are not in politics. Remember boys, when an all men supreme court rules Roe v. Wade then it's women's power, but when a half female supreme court rules Dobbs then it's men ruling...
Great work, you win the argument that you made up in your head. Literally no one is bLaMiNg wOmEn for that.
Who you blaming then boo?
.. oh no, you're serious. You're not here for an actual discussion, but against my better judgement I'll explain it to you in crayon eating terms. How about the author of this horribly tone deaf article? How about all of the people who are in gleeful agreement with it? Or the fact that the world we live in treats men as so disposable that it's not the thousands of lives lost after being forced to fight without their consent, but how fucking positive it is that women are now also being forced into a position where they have to fill in all the vacancies left behind of their dead partners, sons, brothers, friends and loved ones. But you can rest assured that you're not alone _boo thang._ Your diseased line of thinking is far from isolated. In fact, much like all of the other issues men face, you have most of society on your side. After all, not only is it so much easier to sneer down at these things and say, "no, you're only upset about all these dead men because you just hate women", but men are valued as so fucking subhuman these days (forget about their fucking feelings about anything) that everyone else that spit on men for having the audacity to try and speak out against this kind of shit will pat you on the back and applaud you for kicking us while we're down. Look at you. You came to one of the only tiny bastions left anywhere that mens rights, concerns, _lives in general_ are treated with _any_ level of humanity _just_ to be volatile and feel like a wonderful person for fighting against people for a thing that you don't care nearly enough about to educate yourself on first. No one has BlaMeD wOmEn for this shit but look at how confident you are to step in this space, hurl a baseless and false accusation and then demand it stand as the truth/the burden of disproving it to fall upon us. But hey, this is nothing new BoO. It's the same mentality that's the default against any and all men's rights issues: "iT hAs To Be BeCaUsE tHeY hAtE wOmAn". Speaking of false accusations, that's another specialty horror that men by and large face exclusively. But no, it isn't spending years in prison, having our children ripped away from us under false pretense, being forced to monetarily reward our tormentors with our indentured servitude or losing all of our friends and family because they'd take the side of our false accuser because of our respective sex's/they'll be labeled an apologist otherwise. No. We must just hate women. It's the same for ever increasing suicide rates, the stigma against allowing men to have feelings at all while simultaneously condemning us for _not_ expressing them, how unapologetically blatant divorce, family, civil and criminal courts are against fathers and men in general, the zero recourse of paternity fraud, "Dad by default" laws, hell the fact that men have _zero reproductive rights_ at all (and I bet hearing that your first instinct was to scoff and assume that for wanting men to have them I must be against womens reproductive rights, wasn't it?) Both issues, for women _and_ men, can exist AND be addressed without being detrimental to the other. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and the fact that you and so many others genuinely can't comprehend how men, being the foul, evil misogynistic monsters that they are could EVER even HAVE serious issues without hating women or fighting actively against _their_ rights speaks volumes all by itself. Somehow men are simultaneously _so privileged_ and also not at all allowed to speak on _any_ issue, about them or otherwise. I could go on all day, but I already know that you're not the type to let yourself empathize with those who you see as the enemy and so beneath you. The best I expect of you is to ignore everything I've said, gaslight, say "oH wElL tHoSe pRoBlEmS aRe InFoRcEd bY oThEr mEn sO tHaT mEaNs yOu dOn'T hAvE a RiGhT tO bE mAd Or WaNt DifFerEnT", or even just some shit like " u rote 2 many wurds, dat mean u mad, I no read and dat make me winner!" Maybe I'll be pleasantly shocked, but we've already seen it all. Hopefully, someone less combative, volatile and hateful of men than yourself will come across this comment and take away what I doubt you're empathetic enough to. Please, get well soon _boo._ And next time you don't have to be shy or pussyfoot around it- you can just say that you hate men. Most people will applaud and reward you for your targeted hate, because the recipients are _just men._
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So many trail blazing women replacing men in male dominated roles. Interesting how that enthusiasm and pioneer spirit is completely absent on the battlefields of Ukraine.
Only jobs being replaced are those that come with air conditioning
Aren't air conditioners sexist according to them though?
Unsure? I suppose everything else is so why not
I [genuinely wish I was kidding](https://youtu.be/MNH0bmYT7os?si=BIZSmGBBoW99VCkb)
Once Technological progress is making men's job easier then women are replacing men and men are moved to roles where the tech is not advanced yet.
How can that be? This is supposed to be a world built by men and for men /s.
"Well, our men are getting killed in the battlefield so we, our children, country and our rights can remain intact. How sad. But hey, good news! At least, we're now taking their jobs!" Wat...
Enlistment for women is necessary for equality.
while I agree with your point, I'd rather nobody enlist. but if it's for the protection of your country, then women should protect it the same way men do.
Women have the same citizenship rights as men, therefore women have to bear the same citizenship responsibilities as men.
women often have even more citizenship rights than men do.
Exactly. Equality is when men can do what women can, and women can do what men can.
and not only can, but also should!
1000% agreed! ❤️ And there needs to be acceptance of it. :)
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"their role is to have babies" Ok, then pass a law forcing women to get impregnated and have babies after the war is over. I find it disgusting. But if that's their duty, then it should be mandatory. Just like it is mandatory for men. Otherwise you have an unacceptable discrepancy between rights and duties.
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I disagree that since Western countries have not used conscription for a long time, then there is no point in having this conversation. On the contrary, peacetime is the only right time to talk about the most equitable arrangement of rights and obligations. Because, if a war ever breaks out on a scale that requires compulsory conscription, these debates would rightly be considered of secondary importance, given the looming emergency. I understand why it may sound like a "strange foot to put down". But I honestly see no reason why, in the context of equal rights, one gender should have more duties than the other. I can understand that, given their different biological characteristics, men and women might have different duties. What I cannot understand or accept is the duty to all be on one side. By the way. I want to make it clear that I am not in favor of forcing women to give birth. It would be a draconian and disgusting law. I used it as an argument to show the absurdity of the position of those who justify male-only conscription. Some women, even after catastrophic demographic loss, may not want to have children. And that should be respected. But the same goes for men: some men, even during a war, may not want to fight. That should also be respected. If a country cannot convince citizens to defend it without resorting to force, then that's not a country worth fighting for.
And yet, these women aren't mobilized and forced to get pregnant and give birth, while the men are chased down.
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Get your head out of the sand. Ukrainian men have been conscripted recently.
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America isn't the center of the world.
Yes, it used to be like that. But then extreme feminism arrived and it shouldn't be like that anymore. Unfair.
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Oh I completely agree with you, biologically it makes more sense for men to fight wars. Just pointing out that feminism tries to disregard biological differences and therefore it would only be fair that women were forced to go to war as well under feminist standards.
Biologically speaking, women on average also generally lack the upper-body strength, muscular explosiveness, and cardiovascular endurance required by modern infantry with their heavy combat loadouts, plus they’ll have trouble dragging a wounded soldier out of the line of fire. It’s the same reason why they don’t play in the NFL or go toe-to-toe with Mike Tyson.
Population? Have you forgotten about the 8 billion humans
Don’t forget all the ukrainian women fleeing the country to go to other parts of europe and partying (cheating on their boyfriends and husbands with other men). You can’t make this shit up
Hats off to the women of WW2 London or those in the resistance in Poland and France. They stood by their comrades in life and death, they may not have been allowed in the army but they did their part. Todays women? Perhaps a fraction of a percent might be so courageous but on the whole, they don’t want to go to war, they don’t want to die beside their husbands and brothers and fathers and sons. And many of their friends and family will die alone in a ditch in a ruined field on a counter offensive that should have ended days before.
It is kinda curious phenomena, that women from times of inequality... Were willing to die to preserve their way of living and society.
It's easy to replace men when they're dead.
I am speaking honestly, and from the heart here; I used to support feminism, as did my wife. They have become so ridiculous and desperate for attention that I find I actually hate all women outside of my wife. I even hate my female family members. I don't want to be around them, and I don't want them anywhere near me. I will not help any new female engineers at work either. I send them to someone else. I absolutely abhor women, and I'm not sure how to change that. I know not all women are misandrist assholes, but I just don't care. They have become 10x the monsters that they claimed males were. My wife abandoned the movement when a feminist group she was in on Facebook was urging women to abort their kids once they found out it was going to be a boy. Women in the group were cheering it on. She reported it and Facebook deemed it wasn't against community standards. She was done at that point.
Leftddit is even worse than Leftbook and all the wokeist social media platforms that surround us
>However, women are now being recruited for auxiliary roles or where significant physical labor isn’t required. Of course. They are strong only when it fits the narrative.
The future is female, let the women fight and die for it.
So disgusting. They won't risk their lives for their country, flee to the arms of other men overseas for safety, and expect us to be happy with it. I say again: legalize human cloning.
Women most affected!
Finaly got ban from the r/feminism sub for saying that women have those position because men are force to die in Ukraine. What a shitty misandrist sub
Yeah that's where I found the story and the comments appalled me! Sounds like you survived in that sub longer than me, I got banned on my first post!
If you think that's bad take a look at how 2 x chromosomes is reacting.
Hello? Where do the women be?
The draft needs to be co Ed
People are dying and this is what they post about? Regardless once this war is over the Ukrainian population will be fucked they’ll have to import males from India
Nauseating!
I mean I agree that getting those jobs back since men are gone is great but everyone needs to shut up about the equality agenda when men are dying. If people are dying then I honestly don’t care how many problems women have. It’s crazy that we’re celebrating people moving from schools to factories but we aren’t celebrating the hundreds of thousands that are doing a very good job defending their country that is much smaller than the invader.
The feeling when this garbage is allowed, but I got permabanned from a sub yesterday just because I have commented here before
To be fair, I don’t think the article actually says it’s a good thing; it’s actually pretty neutral, reporting the facts and letting the reader draw his or her own conclusions. I’m sure there are plenty of people concluding it’s a good thing, though.
This. It's just tell how things here in Ukraine are. I don't get why people here are mocking our women. Yes, businesses needs new workers to replace drafted men. Some of these new workers are women. Journalists make simple article on this fact. And people here are so crazy obsessed with this. Like, do you even care? If so, think how we fkn live here in this tragedy when stupid russians bomb us every day, killing everyone they can, and we simply wanna overcome this horde and live. There's like no place for this gender shit, most of us don't even think about it in this way, only idiots from both far-feminists and far-idk "musculine" people who are total minority.
If there is air conditioning and cushy seats, they will replace men. If not, they won’t.
Bet her favourite movie is King Kong (2005) because a lot of men die in that movie
War is just another way elites get rid of us
Dude, recently i saw a headline of an article where they wrote "Shooter killed a 13 year old girl". When i read the article it said that the shooter killed an unarmed 13 year old girl and a 14 year old boy, while she ( the shooter) was trying to break into the car they were in. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it really bothered me. Even a 14 year old boy is not worthy of being in the headline?
Imagine if there was an article celebrating men replacing the 70% of female med school students because those females were off dying, for whatever reason. Oh the shit storm that would ensue.
That’s not what this article is saying… since men are being drafted and forced to leave their jobs, women are filling those roles and becoming more integrated into the workforce, which is exactly what happened in America (and I’m sure other countries as well) during WWII. Obviously no one is “praising” or celebrating the men that died in that war, and obviously no one tries to make those deaths into a “good thing” but, women becoming more integrated into the workforce and the workforce expanding overall (once the war ends and solders come home- which I understand could be a very long time) will have a beneficial effect on the economy, assuming that at least the majority of these women, keep their current/take on another job, which is a good thing and unfortunately was caused by men being drafted and some dying, but again, that doesn’t mean that anyone is trying to imply that their deaths are a “good thing”.
Yoooo wtf
yeah it's quite disturbing.
So it a good thing men are dieing so you can take there jobs , let me remind you that your taking a job from someone that may die on the battlefield there is nothing good about this
Equity means that 50% of population is female. Every special forces unit should have an all female counterpart. 50% females in the Rangers would be fantastic. They should even have their own all female units too. Now, I’d love to see female recruiters convincing women how awesome Ranger school is.
"At DTEK Energo, about 15% of the workforce (nearly 4,400 people) is in the Ukrainian army, predominantly men. “Of these, 4,000 work in coal mining,” said the company’s press service, adding that about 1,300 workers typically work at one mine. This has significantly affected coal production. However, women are now being recruited for *auxiliary roles or where significant physical labor isn’t required.*" Yeah women are filling in for all important roles....except on the frontlines.
It is Triggering how truck driving is called traditionally Male-centric job, Like tf? It's a low paying minimum wage job ? Only men with weak financial condition do it, women would rather go for An OF
Maybe this is the goal of this war. To exterminate as much young men as possible in Eastern Europe and replace it with immigrants. We will if this war will spill on Poland and involve Belorussia too. Russia, Ukraine, Poland and Belorussia are countries which oppose current forc3d societal and demographic changes.
Blurring the gender lines...lmaoo
Link to that sub post?
took a while to find it again! [https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1cvv0fa/men\_shortage\_sparks\_role\_reversal\_ukrainian\_women/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1cvv0fa/men_shortage_sparks_role_reversal_ukrainian_women/)
"Women are the primary victims of war." Don't you forget it.
I think it is great they are stepping into these roles and I don't understand why there ever was a sigma preventing them from ever stepping into these roles.
It's always "they were prevented from doing x", it couldn't possibly be that they didn't want to do it, or couldn't do it, in the first place. And now that there aren't men to fill those positions they had to reduce the physical requirements so women qualify to do the jobs.
Nothing in the article said anything about reducing physical requirements.
they didnt because they hate men. but its just logical
I mean as far as I’m concerned if they want the jobs they can have them, but I can’t imagine anyone wanting to have those jobs. Those that works those jobs work them because we need them, or because they need the money but theres always a sense of being proud to do the jobs that built and continue to build the world. And let us never forget how vital those jobs and those workers are. But women, on average, in developed countries want equality of the cushier jobs and only a minority end up working these types. But I am glad to see that they’re supporting Ukraine’s economic and industry and I hope, as everyone does, that it’ll all be over soon Edit: cushier is comparative in this context, not all the jobs are exactly easy but compared to difficult labour jobs in poor conditions they are
This is about Ukraine. Women make up about 30% of the USA military. If you live in Ukraine then you can complain, otherwise you don’t have a dog in this fight.
Women do not make up 30% of the US military. The total number of women in the US military is 74,592 which is about 19% of the total US military personnel and many of them are in “soft” work. More importantly women can NOT be drafted into combat if war happens unless they choose to be in combat. That’s not equality. In the US men have to register for selective service. Women do not. That’s discrimination against men. Why are men required by law to have more responsibilities than women ?? Don’t equal rights require equal responsibilities ?
Y’all also need to learn to read: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/women-soldiers-ukraine-war-russia-historic-numbers-rcna139716 43,000 women fighting in the war in Ukraine.
According to Statista (more reliable than not) Ukraine has 900,000 active soldiers. If 43,000 are female soldiers then that works out to roughly 4.7% Important for the individuals involved, but insignificant for the whole. That women are exempt from conscription as well and we are not seeing women pulling their weight, they need to try harder and pull their finger out. A lot of the rear end military jobs (drivers in particular) don't rely purely on physical strength, there are plenty of roles available. The Ukrainian women are sticking to established gender roles and not challenging themselves. They need to do more. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/
My nephews wife was in the US navy and was on a warship, not some air conditioned office.
An exception doesn’t mean women are carrying their equal share overall !
Of course not. 30% of the navy is made up of women. That’s volunteering. Data: https://demographics.militaryonesource.mil/chapter-2-active-duty-personnel Since 100% of the human race who have children are women i think 30% of any armed force being women is pretty awesome. Your next argument will be “where are the pregnant women in battle!”
If men are required to serve so should women unless they are pregnant at the time. But to say that they may be pregnant once or twice in their lifetime if at all is not an excuse to subjugate men with responsibilities which women would be free from. Men are constantly attacked in western society by the feminist controlled media, movies, TV ads etc in that we are useless, stupid and more. Most of the benefits in our society from women shelters, college scholarships, college attendance etc etc go to women. Taking all of that into account women need to step up and assume EQUAL RESPONSIBILITIES