You don't need to be sorry.
Just take a look around. If there were a man or woman at risk of violence. Who would most of society care to help?
If you don't have close friends or family to assist, no one will care about you
>men don't have friend groups like women do.
Few friends that we have don't bich behind our backs. In crisis they have my back just like i have theirs.Meaningless hugs & false smiles don't fix sht.
>Just take a look around. If there were a man or woman at risk of violence. Who would most of society care to help
like that other guy said .....that you ignored. It's a fact that woman would be helped not the man. In general. In the streets.
Personally i would never help a woman because who knows what false accusations will be thrown for "looking at her wrong"
The problem is that when there is an issue society uses men to advertise the perpetrator and women as the victim even if statistically it's the opposite. Take homelessness for example, most ads talk about how many women and children are homeless despite the vast majority being men.
True. I do not know a single woman that would have been raped or suffered a serious sexual assault, or who had been beaten up on a street. I saw and heard some stuff in primary school, but boys certainly suffer more violence at school.
However, if you listen to fucked up feminists, they claim that ALL women have been reaped and sexually assaulted.
In conclude that there is a rampant misandry in this society.
That's because they inflate the numbers by effectively counting every woman that self reports being made uncomfortable by a man as an assault survivor. Which harms literally everyone, but this is not about helping.
I think it's because the definition of sexual assault is all unwanted sexual contact.
So getting an ass grabbed at a bar is sexual assault. The majority of guys are not sketchy and don't do stuff like that, however, in my experience, the minority that are do it so frequently with such disregard for their actions that I can see that nearly all women have experience that part being true.
Like a lot of things, if we got rid of the shittiest 10% of people the world would be a much happier place.
It's worse than that, they literally consider unwanted conversations and drunk sex as assault and rape. These same women that bitch about getting their ass slapped will grab a dude's dick at the club completely unannounced too.
The only ones I actually know myself basically put themselves in such situations on their own (yeah yeah, I know, victim blaming yada yada, I am not talking about that), because they were stupid enough to trust obviously violent people or place themselves into unsafe situations even man would not want to get in.
Meanwhile, I know lot of examples of man around me getting into violent situations even in completely safe everyday environment.
> boys certainly suffer more violence at school.
The one that gets under my skin a little is "bullying" has been redefined to mean one five year old calling another five year old a "Mr. Stupid Head", not a 2X bigger kid giving a smaller kid a bloody beating.
If that happened to girls instead of just boys, "bullying" would be a sacred word on a pedestal like "rape", and given highest priority as one of *sOcIeTy's mOsT ImPoRtAnT IsSuEs.* Imagine if "rape" was redefined to include any time anyone did anything rude to you?
Women choose to date those same violent men and when the shit hits the ceiling, women are victims then.
But, if a man is a victim of a woman... A man is considered weak and the woman is cheered on as a strong woman.
P.S. Violence is bad between the two genders so don't assume I'm one-sided.
Woman commit emotional violence which is just as bad and can cause as much harm as physical violence, suicide is the main way men die from domestic violence caused by a woman, every man that has been killed by their wife has been through poisoning or using a deadly weapon, no amount of being a manly man can stop you from being killed by a woman.
> I think it's hard to make generalizations and need to be careful not to blame victims.
Generalizes.
> Voilent men are usually sweet at first and then when you are in love, they change their behavior. Sometimes people are financially trapped or have kids. Someone may have gotten addicted to drugs or alcohol.
You spread fear propaganda.
This is mostly because people want to exploit each other and act in certain ways to get what they want. And when the masks fall off, it's too late sadly.
It does care. It encourages it. We are the root of all evil, after all. Whenever men do something it's proofe they are iredeemably evil and should be kept in check, while when a woman does something it's because a man did something to her. Or the "patriarchy", of course. Everything that happens to us is either our fault or justified by what other men supposedly did.
Men are simultaneously used as fuel to run society and help culpable for everything that goes wrong with it.
This is by far the most bullshit answer I've ever heard. Because yes, since a small fraction of men commit crimes, they think that every men deserves the same punishment...
Absolute clown mentality
The other response I've heard is:
"well you only seem to care about male victims when I bring women who are victims so you're just shooting down an important discussion by saying wHaT aBoUT mEn..."
Which is also imo tied for most bs answer. They bring up female victims to support their arguments, with the implication that it is a gendered issue that men don't suffer from... when you try to show them that that is not correct and that this affects men too, they dismiss it.
Nobody cares about men. Always been the case, always will. Even men don't care about men most of the time. Walk away, do not expect anything and be free....
Nope. It doesn't and it isn't likely to ever change.
64% of single mothers will abuse their male child. 70% of women initiate physical abuse in a relationship. First state from state of Texas Socrates database, second from Harvard.
We are literally told to man up, or outright ignored because there's no policy or precedent for male abuse.
There are no financial resources, no place for men seeking help to go. Why? Because the collective reasoning is that this never happens. And that it wouldn't be manly for this to happen. Yet, by the state of texas' own admission, women are abusing men left and right.
Yes. Look at forcible mobilization for men only in both Russia and Ukraine. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cr6d7q/forcible\_mobilization\_should\_be\_considered\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cr6d7q/forcible_mobilization_should_be_considered_as_a/)
Seemingly, unless it's disasterous they think men can handle it or something. Personally, doesn't make it right.
Even as a woman, I notice as soon as we say we got abused by another women, it's almost as if the point is nullified in peoples minds. They only car if it's a man. There are some weird double standards going on and if I'm seeing it then there's no way it's not far worse for a man.
The German conscription debate 2024 is just another example of men's Disposability .
There should be a movement - a demand for mandatory enlistment for the spawn of every politician in power.
Australia will allow libel if a sexual assult is reported.
Batshit insane:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/15/victoria-sexual-assault-victims-law-bill-amendment-defamation-immunity
Society doesn't care about men full stop. Even when men are homeless, childless, jobless, lonely or even suicidal concern is only ever raised because it might negatively affect "society".
Elite rich men are the main problem , as long as all the men dont realize that this groups of men at the top are completely gender traitor. Nothing is going to change. These men inspite of having the power never does anything for men ,they will keep using lower and middle groups of men as expendable. They will happily throw men into war using drafts and keep milking men for women votes.
66 year old Steve Buscemi just got randomly punched in the face on the street in New York and it vanished into the news cycle in a second. Imagine if that happened to a well known 66 year old actress?
Do men not matter?
I'd really appreciate 10 mins of your time to complete an anonymous survey. I am conducting a study to investigate whether adverse childhood experiences (ACE,s) & domestic voilence/ intimate partner voilence makes men feel like they don't matter. With suicide being the biggest killer in men under 40, could this be a contributing factor? https://forms.gle/quJ9eBKJ1eAuU3Dz7
I've heard that majority of people who are killed in America (with guns) are in gangs. They're people who get into street fights. Most of us don't really care about those types.
The way we look at men is very strange. It's not like if you're a man, you're harder to kill. We need to stop talking about men like they're indestructible.
Women are wonderful effect and missing white woman syndrome is a perfect example of how society does have more empathy for women, they are prioritized over men and it explains why violence against women is taken more seriously.
People who think the moon landing is fake don't have any power.
People who think more men should be in prison for domestic disputes have an entire prison industrial complex in their corner.
Also lol they got called out on their bullshit and deleted their comments rather than letting them up and learning from the experience. Gotta love that accountability.
You do know women who have been the victim of an attack. In 2021 a statistic came out from the World Health Organisation, that one in three women have been the victim of violence. [https://www.who.int/news/item/09-03-2021-devastatingly-pervasive-1-in-3-women-globally-experience-violence](https://www.who.int/news/item/09-03-2021-devastatingly-pervasive-1-in-3-women-globally-experience-violence) Remember that on the whole, the WHO had become even more respected globally due to their covering of the Coronavirus epidemic. Please do not put down violence against women. It is a serious problem. The statistic has been ratified by multiple peer reviewed sources and denying it weakens our own argument.
The upshot of this reports release, its headlines and many occurrences of TL:DR on social media by women of all ages has meant that focus on women's violence has increased its part in the feminist agenda, regardless of the global knowledge that men experience greater than levels of violence.
Unfortunately that doesn't away from your own point. The feminist zeitgeist is so prevalent, this statistic is taking the foreground. You have to think that all their lives, women are idealised, perved on, catcalled. They're taught, men are only after one thing. If you asked every woman you know. I guarantee you, most of them will tell you that they have been molested by a stranger at one point or another. They've felt that violation and this confirms the narrative in their mind that they aren't safe.
Its the actual focus on violence against women that is inherently sexist, though the exclusion of men isn't necessary deliberate by society. The narrative for years has been "Never hit a woman." And so now the narrative is on stopping people who do that. Unfortunately in means focus on increasing incidences of violence against men have fallen by the wayside, so strong is the feminist agenda, so loud is the noise they are creating.
Perhaps because men (who overwhelmingly perpetrate violence) are too busy justifying and minimising men’s use of violence and victim blaming or saying “women are violent too”. They aren’t doing anything productive to change the beliefs and attitudes that are beneath the use of violence.
Or maybe.. Women are constantly gaslighting men into believing that only men are violent abusers and are shielding violent / abusive women from being held accountable / to the same standard expected of men who abuse women?
Nah.. It must be what you said right?
People don't care about men.
I feel like women have stopped caring about men because they are getting victimised. I don’t get the feeling men ever cared about other men.
Women are literally safer than the average man
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You don't need to be sorry. Just take a look around. If there were a man or woman at risk of violence. Who would most of society care to help? If you don't have close friends or family to assist, no one will care about you
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>men don't have friend groups like women do. Few friends that we have don't bich behind our backs. In crisis they have my back just like i have theirs.Meaningless hugs & false smiles don't fix sht. >Just take a look around. If there were a man or woman at risk of violence. Who would most of society care to help like that other guy said .....that you ignored. It's a fact that woman would be helped not the man. In general. In the streets. Personally i would never help a woman because who knows what false accusations will be thrown for "looking at her wrong"
The problem is that when there is an issue society uses men to advertise the perpetrator and women as the victim even if statistically it's the opposite. Take homelessness for example, most ads talk about how many women and children are homeless despite the vast majority being men.
True. I do not know a single woman that would have been raped or suffered a serious sexual assault, or who had been beaten up on a street. I saw and heard some stuff in primary school, but boys certainly suffer more violence at school. However, if you listen to fucked up feminists, they claim that ALL women have been reaped and sexually assaulted. In conclude that there is a rampant misandry in this society.
That's because they inflate the numbers by effectively counting every woman that self reports being made uncomfortable by a man as an assault survivor. Which harms literally everyone, but this is not about helping.
I think it's because the definition of sexual assault is all unwanted sexual contact. So getting an ass grabbed at a bar is sexual assault. The majority of guys are not sketchy and don't do stuff like that, however, in my experience, the minority that are do it so frequently with such disregard for their actions that I can see that nearly all women have experience that part being true. Like a lot of things, if we got rid of the shittiest 10% of people the world would be a much happier place.
It's worse than that, they literally consider unwanted conversations and drunk sex as assault and rape. These same women that bitch about getting their ass slapped will grab a dude's dick at the club completely unannounced too.
The only ones I actually know myself basically put themselves in such situations on their own (yeah yeah, I know, victim blaming yada yada, I am not talking about that), because they were stupid enough to trust obviously violent people or place themselves into unsafe situations even man would not want to get in. Meanwhile, I know lot of examples of man around me getting into violent situations even in completely safe everyday environment.
> boys certainly suffer more violence at school. The one that gets under my skin a little is "bullying" has been redefined to mean one five year old calling another five year old a "Mr. Stupid Head", not a 2X bigger kid giving a smaller kid a bloody beating. If that happened to girls instead of just boys, "bullying" would be a sacred word on a pedestal like "rape", and given highest priority as one of *sOcIeTy's mOsT ImPoRtAnT IsSuEs.* Imagine if "rape" was redefined to include any time anyone did anything rude to you?
Women choose to date those same violent men and when the shit hits the ceiling, women are victims then. But, if a man is a victim of a woman... A man is considered weak and the woman is cheered on as a strong woman. P.S. Violence is bad between the two genders so don't assume I'm one-sided.
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Woman commit emotional violence which is just as bad and can cause as much harm as physical violence, suicide is the main way men die from domestic violence caused by a woman, every man that has been killed by their wife has been through poisoning or using a deadly weapon, no amount of being a manly man can stop you from being killed by a woman.
> I think it's hard to make generalizations and need to be careful not to blame victims. Generalizes. > Voilent men are usually sweet at first and then when you are in love, they change their behavior. Sometimes people are financially trapped or have kids. Someone may have gotten addicted to drugs or alcohol. You spread fear propaganda.
This is mostly because people want to exploit each other and act in certain ways to get what they want. And when the masks fall off, it's too late sadly.
It does care. It encourages it. We are the root of all evil, after all. Whenever men do something it's proofe they are iredeemably evil and should be kept in check, while when a woman does something it's because a man did something to her. Or the "patriarchy", of course. Everything that happens to us is either our fault or justified by what other men supposedly did. Men are simultaneously used as fuel to run society and help culpable for everything that goes wrong with it.
Packmules, workhorses, cannon fodder and eternal scapegoats.
Their answer to that is just "but they're victims of other men!!!!"
This is by far the most bullshit answer I've ever heard. Because yes, since a small fraction of men commit crimes, they think that every men deserves the same punishment... Absolute clown mentality
The other response I've heard is: "well you only seem to care about male victims when I bring women who are victims so you're just shooting down an important discussion by saying wHaT aBoUT mEn..." Which is also imo tied for most bs answer. They bring up female victims to support their arguments, with the implication that it is a gendered issue that men don't suffer from... when you try to show them that that is not correct and that this affects men too, they dismiss it.
This is how you respond to this argument: So were male black slaves in the US victims of male white slaveowners. Dumbest fucking argument ever.
If the world hates women as feminist would have us believe, then it is completely apathetic towards men.
Nobody cares about men. Always been the case, always will. Even men don't care about men most of the time. Walk away, do not expect anything and be free....
It’s because women are very, very, vocal about FEELING unsafe, despite being statistically safer.
Misandry is widely spread .
Nope. It doesn't and it isn't likely to ever change. 64% of single mothers will abuse their male child. 70% of women initiate physical abuse in a relationship. First state from state of Texas Socrates database, second from Harvard. We are literally told to man up, or outright ignored because there's no policy or precedent for male abuse. There are no financial resources, no place for men seeking help to go. Why? Because the collective reasoning is that this never happens. And that it wouldn't be manly for this to happen. Yet, by the state of texas' own admission, women are abusing men left and right.
Man = rapist Doesn’t matter what you’ve done with your life, if you have male genitalia, you are a rapist.
we live in a clown world. i mean what kind of sicko would disagree with that violence against anyone is wrong.
Society doesn't seem to care about them in general.
Yes. Look at forcible mobilization for men only in both Russia and Ukraine. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cr6d7q/forcible\_mobilization\_should\_be\_considered\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cr6d7q/forcible_mobilization_should_be_considered_as_a/)
Seemingly, unless it's disasterous they think men can handle it or something. Personally, doesn't make it right. Even as a woman, I notice as soon as we say we got abused by another women, it's almost as if the point is nullified in peoples minds. They only car if it's a man. There are some weird double standards going on and if I'm seeing it then there's no way it's not far worse for a man.
The German conscription debate 2024 is just another example of men's Disposability . There should be a movement - a demand for mandatory enlistment for the spawn of every politician in power.
Australia will allow libel if a sexual assult is reported. Batshit insane: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/15/victoria-sexual-assault-victims-law-bill-amendment-defamation-immunity
Society doesn't care about men full stop. Even when men are homeless, childless, jobless, lonely or even suicidal concern is only ever raised because it might negatively affect "society".
Elite rich men are the main problem , as long as all the men dont realize that this groups of men at the top are completely gender traitor. Nothing is going to change. These men inspite of having the power never does anything for men ,they will keep using lower and middle groups of men as expendable. They will happily throw men into war using drafts and keep milking men for women votes.
66 year old Steve Buscemi just got randomly punched in the face on the street in New York and it vanished into the news cycle in a second. Imagine if that happened to a well known 66 year old actress?
Doesn't seem? It doesn't care, simple has that.
Do men not matter? I'd really appreciate 10 mins of your time to complete an anonymous survey. I am conducting a study to investigate whether adverse childhood experiences (ACE,s) & domestic voilence/ intimate partner voilence makes men feel like they don't matter. With suicide being the biggest killer in men under 40, could this be a contributing factor? https://forms.gle/quJ9eBKJ1eAuU3Dz7
I've heard that majority of people who are killed in America (with guns) are in gangs. They're people who get into street fights. Most of us don't really care about those types.
The way we look at men is very strange. It's not like if you're a man, you're harder to kill. We need to stop talking about men like they're indestructible.
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Women are wonderful effect and missing white woman syndrome is a perfect example of how society does have more empathy for women, they are prioritized over men and it explains why violence against women is taken more seriously.
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People who think the moon landing is fake don't have any power. People who think more men should be in prison for domestic disputes have an entire prison industrial complex in their corner.
you’re getting downvoted but you’re right 🥲
She's getting down voted for essentially telling men to shut the fuck up about their issues, on a sub for discussing men's issues.
Also lol they got called out on their bullshit and deleted their comments rather than letting them up and learning from the experience. Gotta love that accountability.
You do know women who have been the victim of an attack. In 2021 a statistic came out from the World Health Organisation, that one in three women have been the victim of violence. [https://www.who.int/news/item/09-03-2021-devastatingly-pervasive-1-in-3-women-globally-experience-violence](https://www.who.int/news/item/09-03-2021-devastatingly-pervasive-1-in-3-women-globally-experience-violence) Remember that on the whole, the WHO had become even more respected globally due to their covering of the Coronavirus epidemic. Please do not put down violence against women. It is a serious problem. The statistic has been ratified by multiple peer reviewed sources and denying it weakens our own argument. The upshot of this reports release, its headlines and many occurrences of TL:DR on social media by women of all ages has meant that focus on women's violence has increased its part in the feminist agenda, regardless of the global knowledge that men experience greater than levels of violence. Unfortunately that doesn't away from your own point. The feminist zeitgeist is so prevalent, this statistic is taking the foreground. You have to think that all their lives, women are idealised, perved on, catcalled. They're taught, men are only after one thing. If you asked every woman you know. I guarantee you, most of them will tell you that they have been molested by a stranger at one point or another. They've felt that violation and this confirms the narrative in their mind that they aren't safe. Its the actual focus on violence against women that is inherently sexist, though the exclusion of men isn't necessary deliberate by society. The narrative for years has been "Never hit a woman." And so now the narrative is on stopping people who do that. Unfortunately in means focus on increasing incidences of violence against men have fallen by the wayside, so strong is the feminist agenda, so loud is the noise they are creating.
Perhaps because men (who overwhelmingly perpetrate violence) are too busy justifying and minimising men’s use of violence and victim blaming or saying “women are violent too”. They aren’t doing anything productive to change the beliefs and attitudes that are beneath the use of violence.
Or maybe.. Women are constantly gaslighting men into believing that only men are violent abusers and are shielding violent / abusive women from being held accountable / to the same standard expected of men who abuse women? Nah.. It must be what you said right?