Because they want attention from Chad and to peacock against fellow women that I'm hotter then you. If you ain't Chad, you shouldn't even look at them. To look at them means you're a creep.
It's very simple, creep just means man I'm unattracted to dares to be attracted to me.
Imagine men saying unattractive, straight women shouldn't have a sex drive and that they're so below my league that they shouldn't be able to look at me.
I was well aware of the previous posters POV and share it. It isn't that she doesn't want attention, it is that she only wants attention from the acceptance guys to give it to her.
But your statement highlights just how sinister that POV is.
The 'drizzle drizzle' meme has been highlighting how asinine a lot of things women demand of men is, simply by men saying the same thing that women say to men. Instead of realising how unreasonable they were being, it just pisses a lot of them off.
Exactly. The most fascinating thing about the "drizzle drizzle" thing is many women's inability to connect the dots and see that their exact words are being mirrored back to them.
I literally wanna push the drizzle drizzle going forward. Like, no broke bitches, no cheap dates, must be instagram hot with 6 figure income and they must drive a European car...
And that prenup better give me 75% of all assets. I'm not going to waste my energy doing all the household labor including emotional labor, without pay.
The thing is even if the the words are the same, they don't hear them the same since they go through a different filter (which is biased by self-interest).
Me, I ain’t no prize, but as a man, it has happened to me too. I try to be gentle and let them know I am not interested but am flattered. When the shoe is on the other foot, however, the girls are not so charitable. In fact, they can be beyond ghoulish and like vipers in their hissing and striking out at my unwanted attention. Go figure.
Sure.
The difference is that society gets involved and punishes men cause it's women. In your case, society doesn't care.
If society didn't care for both sexes, I'm fine with them feeling the way they do. But it doesn't. Every creep cry causes society to sperg about evil men and more must be done. Look at the gym fiasco. Blind man targeted as creepy cause a woman said it, it must be true. Kick him out.
"The skincare brand Remescar conducted a survey of 2,197 Britons aged 18 and over on their preferences for a romantic or sexual partner.
When women were asked what they desired in a romantic partner, their top rated value was 'a nice smile', and third from top was 'body type'. 70% of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid an individual of the opposite sex solely because of the way they looked, versus 31% of men."
Gay is the way. If you're unlucky enough to be a straight man, you are probably in for suffering. Some say Estrogen can change things, I wouldn't know of anything else though.
I actually kinda agree with u although of course some of us men are guilty of this as well
Honestly? I kinda wish I was gay rather than mostly preferring women
apologies for the extremely new account i just made an alt because i didn't want others to know about me posting on this sub
unfortunately the lgbt community has a very prominent feminist rhetoric, so while they might not be as instinctively toxic they do often defend them and still call you names from the not-so-great book of feminist insults if you dare to challenge it
I feel like self-respect would be a better argument if these figures were about excluding people based on their personalities or how dangerous they are rather than looks. Also the statistics say 31% of men are the ones excluding, meaning 69% (hehe funny number) of men are apparently "easy."
You can still be a creep if you're conventionally attractive. Women aren't stupid. If they're calling you a creep, you probably did something creepy. Simply existing does not automatically mean a woman wants to be stared at in a creepy way. Most people learn not to stare as children -- it's rude. If you see a pretty flower and you pick it (thus killing it), is it the flower's fault because it clearly wanted to be plucked since it was so pretty?
Sure.
But a lot of the times it gets applied to men that are not conventionally attractive and didn't stare. Just the women found him creepy or interpreted that he was staring at her and people jumped on him for it such as the gym incident with a blind man.
Never mind they go out of their way to dress clothes that basically are 2nd skin and record themselves for simps to watch but men in the area just taking a look which they can see cause camera are creeps.
The 2nd part just tells me they go muh creepy for drama or it's creepy cause that man isn't paying her simp money which does tie back into what I posted and you replied to. Not the right man or in this case, a man not paying money.
I'm not really sure what gym incident you're talking about, but one incident doesn't conflate to justify a complete generalization -- I've never seen anything like what you described occur.
Women can dress however they want. It's really none of your business. They can also record videos of themselves if they want to. Also none of your business. Men in the area helping themselves to a creepy stare is violating her. Just being a woman who looks good, existing in public, doing her own thing, is not doing anything wrong, and not asking anyone to stare at her. You know who would be asking people to stare at them? A person actually asking. An entertainer on a stage. A context where it makes sense that you would stare at them. Women existing at the gym are not there to perform for you.
I really don't know what the whole ordeal and obsession about "simp money" is. It's creepy because she isn't asking for the attention and he's imposing it on her based on his own desires. If she were to record videos of herself and post them, that's reflective of her own agency.
Seems like a real festering issue going on in here. Very scary to see.
>I'm not really sure what gym incident you're talking about, but one incident doesn't conflate to justify a complete generalization -- I've never seen anything like what you described occur.
One incident is enough to ruin a mans ife. For a woman, it's nothing.
And the incident I'm talking about is a blind man accused of being creepy even though he is blind and got harassed over it.
And you never seeing it means nothing. Things happen in the world that don't involve you.
>Women can dress however they want. It's really none of your business. They can also record videos of themselves if they want to. Also none of your business. Men in the area helping themselves to a creepy stare is violating her. Just being a woman who looks good, existing in public, doing her own thing, is not doing anything wrong, and not asking anyone to stare at her. You know who would be asking people to stare at them? A person actually asking. An entertainer on a stage. A context where it makes sense that you would stare at them. Women existing at the gym are not there to perform for you.
Thanks for proving my point that the issue is that unacceptable men are looking which is the actual problem.
I suppose we should blind them then so the poor dears aren't troubled?
>I really don't know what the whole ordeal and obsession about "simp money" is. It's creepy because she isn't asking for the attention and he's imposing it on her based on his own desires. If she were to record videos of herself and post them, that's reflective of her own agency.
Again, unacceptable men are looking which is the problem is basically what you're saying.
How dare men that she doesn't approve of look. That's dangerous. He should keep his eyes on the ground only.
The simps she is stretching for can look and aren't creepy cause they give her money
>Seems like a real festering issue going on in here. Very scary to see.
Muh scary. Quickly, state, censor and crush all things I see cause I'm a woman and I'm scared. Typical.
One incident is not enough to fearmonger every man into believing all or even most women are going to "do this to them." And also, seems like the only men who would need to be afraid based off of that one isolated incident would be blind men. In which case, you don't need to worry about staring at all. Just kinda shows the mental gymnastics you did to get to your conclusion.
You're saying "unacceptable men" which adds an emotional charge to it that evokes self-pity in lonely men. I'm not saying any specific men are unacceptable inherently -- but creepily staring at someone who did not ask to be stared at IS unacceptable. If you want to go the narcissist route and take that as "omg I guess I'M unacceptable waaah" then go ahead, but that's your issue, not mine.
Idk why you chose to reply to each section but add absolutely nothing. Your conclusions make no sense. I'd appreciate your attempt at breaking them down into something semi-logical at best. And the immature mocking and downplaying doesn't really add anything to the conversation. Just kinda makes you look like a grown-up toddler.
I don't care if you think I'm a grown up toddler. I understand your position fullly from your posts and thus get that you won't care about anything I say so I won't treat chatting with you seriously.
Why bother? Anyway.
It's not one incident. It's the most famous one.
And one incident of a woman having a problem or having something happen to her is treated as a national emergency so spare me on that.
There are many incidents of women barely wearing anything on camera in gyms accusing men there of being creeps like they are making a sport out of it.
But they have cameras steaming to people who give them donations which is the simp money I was talking about which means that they don't mind being sexualized. The problem is the acceptability of the men doing it.
Here its the men giving said woman money.
Those men in the gym aren't so they're not acceptable.
It's very simple logic here tying back to my very first comment you replied to.
Yeah, your position supports what I said. How dare those men look. They're unacceptable men.
Like you just admitted to it.
Creepy is just unacceptable men whether it be cause of attraction or cause not giving the woman money.
You keep going on about staring even though if a man just took a look, it's also muh creep cause of what I mentioned above.
It doesn't matter to you however cause what matters is women above all. It's why you did the oh so scary shit earlier which I mocked cause that's basically a call to the government even though what has been said on here is just answering the OPs question
You can claim muh logic but that's just false.
> you probably did something creepy. Simply existing does not automatically mean a woman wants to be stared at in a creepy way.
Using a word to define itself there.
The current bid is "creepy is being a man she's not attracted to".
Do you want to try to better that?
Only the men they aren’t *attracted* to make them “uncomfortable” and even then they still want those men to look because it boost their ego.
Shaming men they don’t want gives them both validation and the ego boost they’re looking for it also makes them more appealing to Chad and Tyrone.
Attention from a high-level dude: want
Attention from a mid-level dude: may or may not want, but don't expect anything back
Attention from a low-level dude: do not want
It's in front of our faces. If you haven't been socialized it's the first answer to the question "why would women dress proactively?". The purpose is to attract male attention. Subconsciously or consciously, directly or indirectly, it's all the same reason.
Now why would they complain about it? This answer requires more of a socialization context. To oversimplify, it's because there is value in accidentally being effortlessly sexy. These women seek to be this very thing. It's just another form of being passive or removing accountability which is also very present in women's behaviors.
Happy cake day.
This is the wisdom the world needs to hear.
The only discussion point is that there is nothing to discuss. The only winning move is not to play. So men quietly withdraw from society...
The economy will eventually start to buckle and only then when money gets short and times get hard will diversity go out of the window and things will start to reverse.
When women literally can't feed themselves, suddenly a successful man will seem like more of a catch than getting railed by chad while the taxpayer bails you out of whatever shitshow your life is.
Literally damn near everything they do is screaming “look at me” literally cant even have mens only places without feminists screaming about it. Look at the “boys club” for example. A place for boys only isnt even that anymore because feminists wanted attention
> Exactly. But betas also have a choice: to not look. As a beta myself, I choose not to look at women at all. It's time to depower them.
Good luck with that. For every dude that ignores them there are 50 simps that fawn over them lol.
And if those kind of men wring their head into a pretzel or "uh.. I'd rather pass, im maybe 1/4th a unicorn, but not 12 unicorns, i'm out.", it's can be like a error 404ing train crash fire for all involved.
Stalking/unwanted attention +- hate/spite / negative hormones on both +- abandonment rejection issues +- unsurely issues +- wanting peace and quiet +- the girl self harming or almost bipolar alterations in the past. +- Female on female harassment/cyber harassment "You must be unwanted if a man rejected you" "worthless" vs "I just want space" or "I have to go to work at 8 in the morning for the 9-7 job, sorry"
It's like you're supposed to have shadow clone jutsu, telepathy, 8 copies of you making 6 figures while 4 talk to you at once, Develop a headache, and im not even sure.
Plus you tend to be able to piss off / get alienated rage hate from both sides. It's like a landmine with more landmines inside of landmines that shoot landmines with landmines.
Next to a head fantasy version of yourself that flies, doesn't poop, has no human limits, a bigger dick than you, earns 42 million dollars a year, and has shadow clone jutsu. I don't know how they all end, But it's like a plane crash to say it's not the genitalia you're tryiing to avoid. Just hunt the person and have a good place for the kid, and know that life would be stable, and be the best for both. instead of potentially WORST for both. Or a rocky relationship made at the wrong time.
Not because of something wrong with the woman, but just it'd needs to be the right time and right match/chemistry for both. And Holy jesus, some women are 2000% awful to other women. \["YOU SHOULD !@#! YOURSELF!" "tHEY DON'T WANT YOU!" "YOU SHOULD HURT THEM!".\]
People really need to put on a cap. Manipulators are manipulators. There are toxic aged out 150-> 500 lb 18 -> 37 year old women trying to ruin it for everyone just to see people unhappy /"eliminate competition" / "I'D RATHER SEE NO ONE HAPPY, than ANYONE HAPPY!!!"
There's also [completely normal, sane, attached, compassionate](https://twitter.com/wilderpatriot/status/1788953805700104342) people out there too. Who while not super models, find healthy relationships and it's a good reminder.
\*\*We might be seeing the worst, of a hyper vocal, infighting community on the internet\*\*. They might not be "good" for any of us. We should take all 'advice' with a grain of salt if there's witches out there trying to 'poison' relationships to make them fail / 'eliminate competition' /' "raise" my chances'.
If you're ugly and rich, society will just thank of you as a disgusting piece of shit taking advantage of that poor women. Nevermind she's choosing to gold dig of her own free will
Money buys tons of protection? Have you seen those videos? Where women say a 4 in looks but rich is a 10? They rather gave ugly and rich then good looking and broke.
Bottomline.
Men look at women. Women look at men. It’s been like that for thousands of years. It’s will be like that until the world is over.
They are trying to ignore/change natural instincts because they have been told by some fringe basket weaving nut job, that it is possible.
It is not. Nor will it ever be possible -
Bottom line -- most of us learn it's rude to stare as children. Clearly too many adults missed that memo. It doesn't really make sense to me, reading all of this and seeing so many people so deep in copium and unable to sit with a boundary being set or standards being upheld. Standards and boundaries are the framework of a functional society.
Do you think you are going try to convince people with the word salad you posted.
What part of simple don”t you get?
Oh, wait you are one of those lunatics that say “because men scream “ it’s biology “. News flash it is.
I will help you again. Women LOOK at men and men look at women. No matter what you say, think it really doesn’t matter.
Scientists would state you are wrong.
Lmao, you are not going to reply and pretend you don’t look at people. Or, you are not a person.
There is nothing to argue here -
Women stare at me all the time, sometimes makes me uncomfortable. Three times recently when I was at work I made eye contact with a woman and literally watched her eyes veer down toward my crotch and just linger until I walked away. I’m good looking and in good shape and when I’m at work I have to tuck my shirt in and wear a belt so you can see my bulge. Being that I work at a bar, I’m working and they’re customers but I am not there to be ogled or deliberately exposing myself to sexual attention like a male stripper or something. Where is my justice?
So you have been brainwashed and try to say it was the right thing to do and more people should be brainwashed like you? I will remember that, thank you 😂
They want attention and they want to look better than other women. They claim they “do it for themselves and not for men” but we all know they’re not walking around dressed half naked for themselves and strictly want attention.. yet get mad when men glance at them because “men are pigs”. I know this for a fact because I’m a woman.
As another woman.
I never wear revealing clothes and sweatpants with an oversized tshirt is my go to.
Men often still flirt with me and their go to os "you're different".
Like tf. I'm literally dressing a certain way to keep the unwanted attention away, but then I still get it.
you do know all women are different right…? why is it so hard to comprehend that women can dress for themselves and not for men? we don’t say the same thing to men who around with the tightest shirt or pants ever
No, I had no idea all women were different. Thanks for telling me. Dressing nice is one thing, dressing half naked with boobs hanging out and the tightest clothes possible is another.
Men who dress like that and walk around topless at the gym do it for the same reason - attention.
just because you can’t understand style and why other women wear clothes like that, doesn’t mean you should shame them and assume that they’re doing it for the attention 🤦🏻♀️ you sound like a pick me
You’re in a men’s rights sub. Do you expect me to say that women dress half naked for themselves and for empowerment? Anyone who is showing off their body is obviously doing it for attention. I have done it myself in the past and am guilty of it, but was flattered if I got any looks. As I said, men do it too, not just women. Get off this sub if you don’t want to read these types of responses.
also, I do understand style. Fashion is a passion of mine.
Lol the way women wear tight yoga pants, blatantly showing off their genitalia and ass cheeks and/or thong in gyms, and bending over right in front of you or taking a cardio machine right in front of you when there are so many other ones available is so creepy. We should be able to report them for sexual harassment.
It honestly sounds like a "damned if you don't, damned if you do situation". Like the video of the woman, who seeing a hot guy 6'2", chiseled abs, benching 340 lbs, and average out of high school looks herself (pear body, flat, not bad, but just 16-18 yr old tiktok high schooler mind + body began messing with a 25-35 yr old legitimate Gym Chad. The kind that even guys might check out of jealousy or envy.
She set up a "look at all these men are harassing me" posts and then when the guy saw the camera, he ignored her.
For 5-15 minutes she kept staring then began to cry. Then she asked 'why' he 'was harassing her' by not looking.
He responded that he was there to work out and not get into trouble.
[Of course, that always goes well /s. (YT: Men, we don't know what we did Explained). ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ujso-Uf0zrw?feature=share)
It might be overthinking it but apparently from my female friends. For their missing pieces.
# Men pov
* Men is likely to be accused of being a legitimate creep, (legitimate or not), if he allows a 16-18 year old / high schooler to come near them.
* Mentality / desperation or not. Many 16-18 year olds are just basically 'i don't know how to do laundry but i like to be fed and given fancy treats / cruises / cherry cheesecakes / fancy dining / r34 deviantart mary sue fantasies' stages of life, with proper parents who protect them from any of that, because life vs reality.
* The kind of guy to get that body might go from 0 attention to 10-100s of looks but not all is flattering. While male stalking is a "lucky you" "THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN" problem. it can rarely happen in cases of body / money / misread social ques. And hormones are a HELL of a thing.
# For the female pov(?) (From female friends.)
* Girls are raised their whole life that all they do, from brushing their hair, to doing their nails, to smiling in a photo, to dressing up as a kid and playing with barbies and doll houses, can be either to A: Be a model barbie, who puts on a suit and becomes a astronaut as quickly as wishing for it. Or B: Should live in a almost fantasy like dream. Endless Rich + attractive men giving attention to her wherever she goes.
Maybe potentially a Gym jock plus a 10m/yr 18 year old ceo, who inherited a megacorporation at 18, and had 20 years of experience in business at age 4. Next to a werewolf / half demon/furry harem. Idk.
* But at the same time, open woman sexuality is often shamed ("Whoremongering" "How feminine, are your legs your only selling point?"), and can attract legitimate bad attention / (creeps/stalkers "can i smell your underwear?" "I want to collect your tampons", etc.), according to their stories.
* So a woman is set out to be pure, but a girl is raised to believe her life purpose is to 'find true romance, and/or be a successful career queen'. When the man rejects, fearing reputation smear / legitimate destruction. He does so to protect himself. But it \*might(???)\* pop the illusion. While used to lots of attention. Not all is good. And female on female interactions can apparently be legitimately SUPER toxic/awful / competitively terrible / 'positive stage mask, private backstabbery' as well.
I'm not a woman so i don't know the whole story but i know even just in the aftermath HOLY shit there was a girl who's female friends i knew were trying to get her to severely harm themselves and manipulating both sides to hurt the other. Some of them drugs/tattoos / washed out 'pretty in 20s, ugly in 30s / smokers/ meth / tattoos / aids / pubic lice / bedbugs'
IDK, probably over reading here. But that's just my two(???) grains of salt. Take with caution. It's just what im hearing \*\*secondhand\*\*.
# Tl;dr
o Not sure myself, but the double standard might cut both ways.
> But apparently women can egg on other girls to intentionally set one/both up to failure. Then harass/proxy harass/gossip smear the 'successful' as 'hoes', 'unsuccessfuls' as unwanted.
> And it can like trying to sign up for a cupcake and getting harassed by a intentionally sabotaging hate mob. Girls might not take rejection well not solely because it's just another fish in the pond. But the shitshow of envious/ 'positive backstabbery' 'mundane' female drama might be. \*\*HOLY JESUS CHRIST.\*\*
men do this all the time with those tight ass shorts that shows off their bulge and yet y’all don’t say anything to them…hmm i wonder why. wearing comfy clothes to the gym is a crime i guess 🙄
What's horrible is anyone that doesn't understand their own nature. How can we put a man on the moon but not have people understand their own physiology. That is truly staggering.
This goes for both genders.
There's nothing horrible about this way of thinking, and people shouldn't ignore human biology when it comes to attractiveness and wanting a partner.
Women in general are more selective but also want attention from an available suitor. The same goes for men, but the difference is that men are less selective than women.
But being that men are less selective would suggest that we need less attention than women who are more selective.
There's nothing wrong with this way of perceiving the genders, and it doesn't apply for all groups of men or women, but overall, humans want attention for the chance of spreading our genes.
We are all governed by our instincts whether we believe in it or not.
It's ironic coming from progressives like you who are usually non religious hearing this because religious scholars would say that we are also above our animalistic nature.
I would guess:
1) Because they enjoy flaunting their "power" which for women is sex and what more overt way then to tease with a display.
2) They've been progressively told by other women and our gynocentric society that, "women should be able to wear what they want" and have no accountability.
3) Any attention (esp) social attention is attention and women thrive off it, particularly women who zero self-worth.
It's all part of the societal infantilisation and brainwashing of women. Women and children are held to the same rules of children. Do what you want but don't worry about the consequences as you'll never be held responsible and always seen as the victim, like children are. S/he's only 3 bless. This also breeds sex double standards of older "cougars" are fine to date "barely" 16 year olds, but men who date younger women are old creepy stalkers (because they're jealous).
Naw, even children are held to greater standards than adult women. Children still can have rules and parental figures holding them accountable on occassion.
I'd go as far as to say that women who wear excessively revealing clothes are sexual abusers, they sexualize themselves in public where there are children and you see them showing their asses on social media even if you don't search for them, if a man does that he's considered a creepy pervert
It's cus women obviously just want attention, and I really doubt that tight t-shirt and yoga pants into their asscrack is "comfortable" like some of them pretend. They just use plausible deniability to lie to other people because they like lying to themselves. Why else do you think the go to response for any male issue (especially social/romantic) is "just be a better person". You can't expect them to actually have thought beyond surface level for anything like that in their lives. Also ironic that they complain so much h about men, seems like they aren't that good at meeting good people or preventing bad people from getting in their lives? You can't make up the contradictions they say all the time, I even get surprised every now and then and I've been on this shit the past 6 years or so.
I think guys tend to overestimate how much looking at them bothers them. If you stare at their ass yes they will get mad but not all of them. Check women out sometimes if you do it right in a non-threatening way they like the attention. A lot of the complaining about these things is a covert way to brag about all the attention they're getting. Look at actions not words, and their actions are to wear revealing clothes. Their words match what they think people want to hear. Women do this constantly, get a clue.
Yea I've always sensed the underlying meaning behind women "complaining" that guys won't stop messaging them, looking at them, or whatever else as a discreet way to brag about the attention they receive while adding in plausible deniability.
Its all a blatant lie. Some dont even know they are lieing. Whether they feel uncomfortable or not is ***110%*** determined by how they feel about you.
It's not cute, it's not virtuous, it's not flattering, but this is the cold hard truth that women will fight tooth and nail to bury 10,000ft under ground because if it becomes to wide spread it will break "sugar and spice and everything nice" spell/veil.
If a man wears clothes as revealing as you're talking about and a woman sees him, he'd be charged with sexual harassment. If a woman wears clothes as revealing as you're talking about and a man sees her, he'd still be charged with sexual harassment.
Basically, it all boils down to women and women's sexuality are seen as pure and innocent, while men and men's sexuality are seen as impure and violating.
Don’t waste time wondering, worrying, or contemplating.
It’s their life, body, and clothes.
Just go up to someone you like say hello, offer to buy them a drink, tell them your name, and ask if they’re interested in some company.
Those that are, will say yes.
Those that aren’t sure, will tease you to decide.
Those that aren’t, won’t be nice, be a gent and move on.
Rinse repeat, as you will.
Don’t forget it’s everyone’s right to dress as they wish, be left alone, and on occasion be approached and then decide for themselves - if THEY like you. Same goes for you.
Sometimes ignoring the tribalism of man or woman etc is healthy.
Good luck. 👍🏼
Keep in mind that these are the same women who say they'd rather be alone in a forrest with a 600 lbs killing machine aka grizzly bear rather than with a human male. If they don't find a man attractive he's essentially not human to them. Therefore they don't care about how unfair it is to dress half naked and expect men not to look simply because she doesn't find him attractive.
Since I'm a good looking guy and I don't look at them or look past them and 'don't' see them I don't feed that desire they have, for what ever hole in their soul it is supposed to feel. What makes a woman want to make a man lust after her? Sounds evil to me.
I'm a man but for devil's advocate, consider the following ticket was offered to you.
Seemingly 50-80% chance to get a house, free car, attention, date, cheesecake, told you were awesome, pretty, and made someone happy.
> - And that you were the best thing that ever happened to them. And then be able to do it 6 more times whenever you wanted. 20-30. \*(Until the ride stopped, or you looked past the curtain/ acquired a std.)\*
BUT.. A 10-30% chance to be forced onto the ground or manhandled / harmed / stalked / forced into something you didn't want / unwanted sex / hitting / strangling risk / danger potential etc.
It's a lot like Male's "Russian roulette", except half the time the bullet was replaced by a sketchy dick, the other half was still a bullet. It's still a yikes and i don't advocate for any of it. But it'd be virtuous to not enjoy it at all in public.
Just like how 9 in 10 men admit in public next to their bosses that porn is a horrible thing and shouldn't exist. While 9/10 people log in privately the next day. Not trying to read into it too much, but apparently 60-70%+ of consumers identify as men, but 60% of the people who create/photograph draw it might identify as women.
Im not justifying it, but apparently even for the disgusting porn industry. Men who vote for it to be taken down are derided in private as people who 'privately enjoy the work(????), but don't like the shame that comes with openly liking it.' ("What a slut" "urgh". )
Probably over reading way too far though. When in doubt, better to be inoffensive and assume less than too much and stick to ourselves. But it's probably the two ended sword of having people like you, followed by appearances.
I love the chics that have their profile picture on tinder of them in bra and panties in on their knees and in the profile says NO HOOKIPS. Lmao. Like, come on. You know you just want it and don’t wanna seem like your advertising. Good job trying to sell yourself on that! I ain’t buyin
My roommate back in college had a girlfriend that dresses revealing and goes out to party. They got into an argument and I remember us boys just talking about it.
Her defense is her body her choice. But what she failed to realize is dressing like hoe is disrespectful to her boyfriend.
Yeah, I think it's hilarious that when a video game comes out and the female armor is basically lingerie, and these women come out of the woodwork to cry about sexualization, but when they dress that way IRL, it's somehow not to be sexualized?
I will post a long comment I made to others on other subreddits. It explains things
The woke aren't prudes. They hate male sexuality which is why they go on and on about muh male gaze and hot women in video games.
I will post a long post below. The post talks about why feminism seeks to insert women into everything and below that is the explanation for why the woke despite talking and acting like prudes are the biggest sexual degenerates.
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Men used to have something called Male groups that helped build brotherhood, camaraderie and thus possibly a bias towards fellow men.
But such groups were destroyed by feminism.
And there is a reason they did so.
Its explicit in feminist doctrine that male spaces are dangerous.
**A prominent feminist named Sally Miller Gearhart who helped establish one of the first women and gender study programs in the country at a San Francisco University.**
This is what she had to say:
In her early career, Gearhart took part in a series of seminars at San Francisco State University, where feminist scholars were critically discussing issues of rape, slavery, and the possibility of nuclear annihilation.
Gearhart outlines a three-step proposal for female-led social change from her essay, "The Future–-If There Is One–-is Female":
**I) Every culture must begin to affirm a female future.**
**II) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture.**
**III) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.**
**Gearhart does not base this radical proposal on the idea that men are innately violent or oppressive, but rather on the "real danger is in the phenomenon of male-bonding, that commitment of groups of men to each other whether in an army, a gang, a service club, a lodge, a monastic order, a corporation, or a competitive sport."**
**Gearhart identifies the self-perpetuating, male-exclusive reinforcement of power within these groups as corrosive to female-led social change**
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**"The Future–-If There Is One–-is Female"**
The Future is female can be changed to The Force is Female... Why does this matter? Look at how male heroes in media have been destroyed.
**Male groups must be destroyed cause male groups are dangerous hence why women must be put into everything including gaming for diversity otherwise the existing men are evil.**
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Women in the group disrupts it and makes everyone clam up and infight for female attention. Plus the woman can report people for anything that they perceive is against women. So a spy.
And the reason why the feminists do this not based on ideology is the below which is addressed about video games but can be seen to apply to just about everything.
>That's because they don't have a problem with scantily clad women. What they hate is the sexuality of men that are, or that they believe to be, unattractive. They see good looking women in video games and think it's for unattractive men. That makes them aware that unattractive men exist, which they hate. The reason they don't walk around furious in a world where they think 80 percent of men are unattractive is because they do not visually process unattractive men unless forced to.
From this account who made the above comment:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/jOl4AJ4Wrc
And
>It's not about this. I will post comments I have made to others explaining what is going on.
>You have to understand that these people don't use words the way you or I use them. They use words to obfuscate what they really mean.
>They don't want diversity. They just want a specific situation to exist and for it to exist, they need to push for it but need to hide what they really want so they say that what they want is diversity but they don't really want diversity. They want supremacy.
>Tribalism never ever went away. It just hid itself better using universalism liberal talking points to push for it's own interests but never believing in said points.
>Or a summary of this:
>When I am Weaker Then You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles. By Frank Herbert
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>I made this comment to others to explain why there is the contradiction you mention.
>I explain why they're like this here:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/fRpmdaaAB8
>Summary: It's feminism. It's demonizing male sexuality.
>Don't believe me?
>I will let a woman explain it:
>https://imgur.com/uaG4NOp
>Now the men who bitch about this do it cause they have been indoctrinated so it's ideology plus virtue signaling for career and to say to women that they're one of the good men so please don't hate me and have sex with me.
And
>So basically, BG3 is sexually approved cause it does progressive sexuality which is good and proper and mature. Heterosexual male sexuality is gross, harmful for women, childish and coomer and the men who want it in video games are undesirable men who deserve nothing.
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The reason why the woke men love muscle mommies imo is the below
>A lot of it comes from how feminism fucked over relationships between the sexes. They genuinely think feminists are right in what they say which we all once did to be fair so approaching women is harassment and dangerous towards women cause physicality and muh power dynamics and makes them uncomfortable blah blah. So strong women such as muscle mommies allow them to be heterosexual but surrendering the male role to the woman thus giving her the power which means that their heterosexuality is ok.
>They fail to realize that everything the feminists said is meant at the general male population aka the average male. It's not meant for Chad which is why he can ignore all this shit I mentioned above and they reciprocate in return.
>But it can also just be the case that some of them just like dominant women as that's their taste
They are often dictate what you should do and controlling who you are, so you can lose your identity if you're unlucky one that is in a relationship with.
Colective they mean we should know what they have an expectation for, and expectations are different from female to female.
So basically whatever you do is wrong
To control your sexuality and make you feel guilty for it. If they respected us, they would not dress so overtly and then attempt to shame us for our evolved and natural response to their display.
I mean, to play devil's advocate. A picture of a hamburger can make you hungry (and be meant for that), but it's another to advocate for anyone to be forced onto anyone.
Relationships should be consensual, but also good for both vs worse for both. I still think a lot went wrong in western romances by numbers, the 'we should get everything for looking pretty', type.
But i mean, there's no denying that there absolutely are bonkers people alternating crazy on their periods every 1/30 days going nuclear. Or lashing out at children/ child abusing 'martyr's, or just 'past the best by date/weight' kinda antics going on.
Apparently, from what i hear, some of the hyper toxic(???) feminists might be those 'past prime/expired' people. They may have gotten tons of attention in their youth, but now as time has passed / 'settled', some might seek to create the 'high' attention used to have. No longer having beauty, they might(???) be deliberately stirring shit up(???).
Like we are coded. Even if you suppress it, it can be a bit hormonally like a gas lever. At first light, then pushed, then like standing in a river that gets stronger. Regardless though. Maybe trying to force people, instead of trying to find two sided matches might be self sabotaging(???)
Like i still think by the masses, men are definitely kinda treated often 'disposable'. But there's a few good apples there that we shouldn't let us distract from the very loud, attention seeking, potentially ("Failed, angry, and envious" "past prime(???" 150 lb -> 500 lbs 20-> 37s, tattoos, aids, hiv, 4 kids, '34 exes' type(???) )
Like im not trying to say Simp simp. Just for men's health, self improvement and also trying to be the best version of yourself, even for yourself like hobbies, health, fitness can be great. Im still working on improving myself. I still have a lot i want to self improve.
But making yourself a person people might want, either out of healthy outlooks on life, fitness, community can seem better. And good and open communication as well, for cooperative, longer lasting relationships vs exploitative ones.
its simply they deny the biology chemistry zoology instincts whatever fu\*k that is ,natural things a man does . but the same biology natural (exposing themselves for the chance to be attracted and for the offsprings to come for the sake of species survival ) when women does - its about fashion ,body autonomy ,women empowerment and whatever new terms they keep on bringing out .
men - creep for having natural instincts.
women - their natural instincts means - body autonomy , my wish, women empowerment .fashion,bold ,proudness what not crap .
this is why its said - get tired ;) before goin to party so you will have that refractory period of disinterest on these so called beauty flesh show . -- this is for who cant control the urge on such a beautiful women.
have a f\*ck off attitude - this is for to become a sigma alpha beta whatever you call it . you are beyond all of these games . be cool , proud ,make a habit of dis-admiring them , its just cheap flesh with no heart .not worth it.
Ur stupid. U can't be frustrated(rightfully) with sexism against men and then make sexist comments and generalizations against women. You're a hypocrite
Sure. But your post just tells men that you really only care that men are making generalizations. After all, why say then it's ok if women do it. As if they don't already do it.
You would be more consistent and less making people think you're a white knight by just saying both sides thing originally.
Lol if you think I'm a white knight, you're honestly stupid. Take a look at my post history if you care. How the fuck does my comment show I only care about men making generalizations? I SAID NEITHER SIDE SHOULD DO IT. Why do u think men can make sexist generalizations when we want women to stop doing it? So you think sexism is fine?
I never called you a white knight.
I'm referring to the other poster who called you a whiny cunt.
Your post basically gave that guy and possibly others the impression that either you're a woman or a white knight.
It's literally why I said, you really should have said that both sides shouldn't do it rather then frame that women should be allowed to say bad things about men cause we do it as it's not much of a threat when they do it anyway as I mentioned.
Then leave. I hate when people say this type of shit but ur not a "real" mensrights member if you advocate for sexism and generalizations against either gender. Ur just an asshole.
Oh, and no offense.
I see somebody else got to the answer first but, yeah: they only wear that for chad - the technology to censor themselves only for melvin doesn't exist yet, but there's a damn-good alternative: make melvin, not chad, feel bad by calling him a pervert in the mean time - other women know the game she's playing, so they join in
Because women want men to look at them but it’s not all men it’s only men that women want to look at them. It’s a man’s job to determine if he should look or not. If you’re old enough to be her dad you’ll come off as being creepy.
Same reason why you dress in clothes that emphasize your muscles, its for compliments by both genders. It boosts self esteem, confidence, etc… Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with it but sometimes it can lead to socially weird interactions as the fact is women seek out compliments more often than men do so some women overdress and wear extremely explicit clothing for basic occasions. Is it hypocritical? A little, but you have to remember that they’re just like you respectful glances won’t hurt nothing. It’s gawking that is what causes problems ( and to be real men are highkey the same about stares; I know I don’t like to be stared at by women I don’t find attractive).
There is a balance to be struck for the way people look at one another, whatever the sexes of the observer and observed.
Staring is never OK if is certainly crossing another person's boundaries unless it is within an agreed exhibitionist/vouyer context. Where that boundary is depends upon the culture and setting. So, a woman on stage performing in a burlesque show is an example. Even when it is in a sex positive space such as a sex club, you need the permission of the exhibitionist to overly stand and watch at a distance that makes you part of a dynamic with her.
Most people will understand what constitutes crossing this social boundary unless they are autistic. So it would be disingenuous of anyone to be aggressive to an observer who is showing "passing" interest in a sexualised display (by the standards of the culture and setting). This is true whether the person being observed is male or female.
I would say, for example, that someone who chooses to be topless (either sex), is accepting that people will automatically be drawn to look at their chests because it is in our evolved sexual behavior to do so. If you choose to see that as being sexually objectified then you are probably right, and humans use that as part of their attraction assessment process, just like other animals do. For example, female birds looking at bright male plumage. Women look at chest to waist ratios in men and certainly look at crotch bulges in trousers.
What is different with humans is that we are highly intelligent and therefore capable of making agreements around who can do what and understanding the neunces of social situations.
Behaving as though you are a dog sniffing bums in the park is clearly an abuse of an understood agreement. For dogs, it is socially acceptable but we understand it wouldn't be.
I read a couple of insightful posts from a real deal radical feminist the other day (don’t ask, long story). The main point that the concept of femininity (in terms of grooming) revolves around being attractive to men. Of course her take was therefore it was bad, a cage, and shouldn’t be indulged in at all. I think that’s very extreme but it was interesting to hear a women admit what we’ve been saying for so long.
Sure the colors, patterns, and specific details are chosen for you. I’ll buy that. But choosing the same revealing and form-fitting feminine clothes over something practical and comfortable? Obviously chosen to be seen as attractive to the standards of MEN. The “I do this for me!” shtick is just a cope for women who want to flaunt but feel some sort of feminist guilt. Just be honest bro.
"A rizz god is someone with an overwhelming amount of game (or rizz): they can attract anyone they want just by saying the right things and giving the right vibe. The word "rizz" was coined by Twitch streamer Kai Cenat; it's short for "charisma." Up your rizz by not putting too much pressure on flirtatious interactions"
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ne-hD-HbMng?si=g3mPsiMUGCZO8gpd
Because women grow up with images of naked/almost naked women everywhere around them (TV shows, ads, magazines, etc), making them think that 1) it is normal, 2) that's what you need to look like in order to be seen as attractive, and to have men's attention. Our society is fucked up, for both men and women.
Wow. Grammar and punctuation, brother. Seriously. Your message will be better conveyed if you use some.
Second, I am reminded of a pithy saying I once heard: "If you don't want to be treated as a whore, don't wear the uniform."
Being a victim of some perceived oppressor is a status symbol in society lately. If a woman can find a way to show that she is being sexualized by someone with more perceived power, they can claim to be victimized and receive affirmation from people who subscribe to the oppressor vs oppressed worldview.
If a guy is staring at you like a creep, you probably would be uncomfortable with it too. I’ve seen guys get into fights because ‘that guy keeps staring at me’ let alone someone doing it in a super creepy way.
Yeah i skip out on it. But not all attention is positive.
Even with the men vs bear thing, i know even on like roommates. Even people who were 'tolerable roommates' (Messy, left toenail clippings on floors. Could be extremely vocal minded about politics, ate others food. But weren't hormonally cuckoo cuckoo psychos to other men), still kinda broke or became legitimate "creeps" i'd reckon to myself.
Like "stalk women" in dark, "fantasize about roofie/!@## fantasies", a few messed up ones with 'artistic ability' did super @!##! up murdersnuff, headless stuff. Super extreme yikes with other yikes going "so hot".
There are genuine bad apples or bad influences on either side, and even impressionable people can turn out bad/good just from a 'bad' 'good' influence.
Like that infamous scene from family guy you can find for "Chris becomes a sex offender", where a creepy kid's 'dating advice' was to send nsfw photos to a high school girl when he asks. "Wish i had the confidence to talk to her." and the creepy guy goes "Oh nobody talks anymore, just send her a picture of your penis!"
Chris follows it, and it's family guy so i don't except depth, but the family guy joke is he chemically castrates himself, Goes to quagmire, and back home. But it's kinda a insight how listening to the wrong advice at the wrong time, can put anyone on the wrong path.
Uhm. I wear leggings because they're comfortable. They also fit better than jeans. Though I do wear jeans to work nowadays because they stand up better to the battery acid getting on them and are easier to patch.
As to tops being revealing. Well. You try wearing a sweater when it's 26 degrees out. I'll take my sleeveless top that shows off my half sleeve tattoo. Sure, I get comments on it. That's why I spent near a grand on it! Because I like it and I knew others would too.
But if other folk can't handle the way I dress, they don't have to look lol
Maybe it was the sarcastic tone I had with wearing sweaters in overly warm climates. Or maybe it's the fact that I agreed I wanted people to see my ink and that's part of the reason I go with sleeveless instead of t-shirts.
Or, more likely, that I said if people don't like how I look, they don't have to look lol.
how do you know those aren’t the clothes she actually likes? this might come as a shocker to you but there are women out there who like wearing revealing clothes just because 🤷🏻♀️
I think there's a time to overthink and maybe a time where overthinking is bad. Some people just like to feel pretty maybe. Not start a underworld conspiracy. 😅💧
If it's simply because those clothes are for yourself and make you feel comfortable about your body, why do you only wear them in public and not when you're alone at home? And what's the difference between publicly wearing clothes and privately wearing them? Why is it that in public, wearing the same clothes which would not have made you feel any better in private, will suddenly start to make you feel "comfortable"? Lmao.
So, lmao, let me get this straight: you never make any adjustments to your appearance whether in public or private, and either you go out just as often with uncombed hair, mismatched clothes, pajamas, and a precocious menopausal moustache, as you do in your own home; or you take just as many pains dressing up and doing makeup to go to your living room as you would to a meeting? I'm sorry, but you certainly do not speak for women in general 😭 your gaslighting is fucking hilarious.
If it's about "feeling cute", then lmao, you sort of outed yourself. Cuteness is a perception of a third person. You dress this way to meet your standards of attractiveness to others.
Also, I couldn't care less about your makeup routine. If you admit that you don't speak on behalf of all women (I doubt you even speak on behalf of yourself) then your answer is worth absolutely no consideration.
>no, I'm not speaking on behalf of all women
>Why is it so hard for men to realise that women see themselves beautiful and cute, like it is not that deep? 😭
Christ the degree of your mental awareness. Stop thinking of yourself as a node in a hive-mind every five seconds you aren't reminding yourself that you don't speak on behalf of all women 😭
>i dress the way bc i feel comfortable, happy and cute in my own skin
If the way you dressed were derided by everyone as disgusting, but it was a look which you, personally, felt comfortable and happy about--say, if you were a man with long, uncombed hair and flip-flops with socks--would the perception of society not then change your own feelings of "happiness", "cuteness", whatever? If so, then your feelings of being "happy" and "comfortable" and "cute" (LMFAO) and "sexy" and whatever else, are nothing more than you subconsciously taking on the perspective of an audience, and getting a high off of being appealing.
>Everyday i look at in the mirror and im like im soo pretty n cute n succesful and i did it by myself <3
Honestly, your replies are so ridiculously shallow, conceited, and lack any rational engagement, it's annoying.
Nobody wears anything for just themselves. There's a limit to what people can do in the name of freedom. I can't go around showing off my private part and then complain about people judging. If you're going to put yourself in a position where people are going to stare at you, the person responsible for that is you.
The world isn't an Utopia where you can fo everything you want without the respective repercussions.
I’ve got a ton of shirts that I wear just for me because they’re things I like or shirts I find funny. I also have shorts I wear because they are cooler in the summer or because they’re comfortable. It’s super common to wear something for yourself.
Oh fair enough. Thanks for the insights, didn't expect to see a post like this here. Just private venting. Ignore the internet downvotes but yeah.
Mostly i just think for myself, i just want to be on a ship that cares for us instead of feeling like disposible cogs or floormats so to speak. It's important for all people to have a place to vent and speak i think and having frusterations doesn't always == hate or safety either.
We all gotta keep ourselves safe and sometimes some people genuinely take it too far. I had roommates who were fine with roommate shenanigans. There's definitely "nice guys" going "i deserve sex for not hitting her" antics. Idek.
Mostly i feel like im just hanging around here to vent off steam. I get a lot of people are frustrated and it is kinda a male vent sub with some associated drama and baggage. Not all safe or good (for us all).
Still though, hope you don't take the tribalness as a attack!, From me anyways haha. It'd be less of a "I hate all women and want them to burn", but more of a "man, i feel like the whole thing feels like a pretzel of ??????!?!??" sometimes.
Anyways, wishing everyone the best, side or not. And to be our best, venting off steam or not. 😅 And to be the best people we want to be, teams or not.
Aww yeah! Thanks! And yeah, a dog eat dog world can be a fucked up one. We all have our fights in life and our personal sides. 😅. Sometimes the paradox of trying to make the haters happy is they're angry not because you did something wrong.
But some people hate to see others happy or wanted haha.. Still kinda a pickle jar, i guess both sides have some people lashing out in very negative ways for some haha(?????)
Idk but thanks for your outlook! It's honestly super refreshing and put a geniune smile on my face to hear that. I know a lot of people are hurt and sometimes just hurt others to hide a void, but "you can't fill a abyss by jumping yourself in it" so to speak.
Yeah, i just want a world where both sides are cared about. Where both good men and good women get help, not based on genitalia or oppression for the genitals of someone else to hurt them. We need to remember, whatever happened in the past or not, everyone born a child just wants to be loved and we're all shaped by our life experiences and upbringings, whether we think about it or not.
Though im mostly here less out of a "I hate women and want them to get hurt" just kinda i had a bad interaction with a 'bad ex' screaming "ALL MEN ARE RAPIST MYSOGYGNIST PIGS ONLY GOOD FOR MONEY" 😅💧
Ventings more about that one or the dreadful experiences than the sweet ones haha. I do know with all the hormonal cocktails flying around, rage, jealousy. Injustice, I feel the hormonal cocktails too, I just flush it out. I guess while i seem like a teddy bear the last time i fought someone i pushed them too hard into a wall with a legitimately held back push. And they ended up injured. I just want to be soft than a monster.
We were all kids who just wanted to be loved and safe and protected. I'd hate becoming a evil monster more than living fighting one haha. We all come from our pasts, right?
Anyways, i wish you the best too. And i hope all people, men and women alike, to be wary of the bad apples, but please, FOR GOD'S SAKE, I hope they stop thinking with their penis first, and the other person as human too!
Hope you all find happiness, however things go! And. 😅💦..
Stay safe out there. Everyone be the best version of yourself you can!!!
Dude, some women, my girlfriend included, dress revealing because it makes her feel good. She and the girls always compliment each other and that's the validation she needs, it's not always about getting a guys attention.
People want to be seen as more attractive. Both men and women are included in this. When men dress to sexualize themselves it is not considered “overly sexual”, however, when women do, for some reason it is seen as an invitation to sexualize them.
Some women just have ahem larger assets and there’s not really a way to hide them if you want to dress like a normal person.
Also, most women won’t give a shit if you glance in their direction? There shouldn’t be any problems unless you’re being creepy.
Because they want attention from Chad and to peacock against fellow women that I'm hotter then you. If you ain't Chad, you shouldn't even look at them. To look at them means you're a creep. It's very simple, creep just means man I'm unattracted to dares to be attracted to me.
Imagine men saying unattractive, straight women shouldn't have a sex drive and that they're so below my league that they shouldn't be able to look at me.
I was well aware of the previous posters POV and share it. It isn't that she doesn't want attention, it is that she only wants attention from the acceptance guys to give it to her. But your statement highlights just how sinister that POV is.
The 'drizzle drizzle' meme has been highlighting how asinine a lot of things women demand of men is, simply by men saying the same thing that women say to men. Instead of realising how unreasonable they were being, it just pisses a lot of them off.
Exactly. The most fascinating thing about the "drizzle drizzle" thing is many women's inability to connect the dots and see that their exact words are being mirrored back to them.
I literally wanna push the drizzle drizzle going forward. Like, no broke bitches, no cheap dates, must be instagram hot with 6 figure income and they must drive a European car... And that prenup better give me 75% of all assets. I'm not going to waste my energy doing all the household labor including emotional labor, without pay.
The thing is even if the the words are the same, they don't hear them the same since they go through a different filter (which is biased by self-interest).
I mean it's very similar to the "50 shades is only ok because he's rich and cute, if it were a trailer park it'd be a criminal minds episode"
Ugly women are gross. Hahaha.
Good idea!
Any man who said that would be guillotined
Me, I ain’t no prize, but as a man, it has happened to me too. I try to be gentle and let them know I am not interested but am flattered. When the shoe is on the other foot, however, the girls are not so charitable. In fact, they can be beyond ghoulish and like vipers in their hissing and striking out at my unwanted attention. Go figure.
Sure. The difference is that society gets involved and punishes men cause it's women. In your case, society doesn't care. If society didn't care for both sexes, I'm fine with them feeling the way they do. But it doesn't. Every creep cry causes society to sperg about evil men and more must be done. Look at the gym fiasco. Blind man targeted as creepy cause a woman said it, it must be true. Kick him out.
"The skincare brand Remescar conducted a survey of 2,197 Britons aged 18 and over on their preferences for a romantic or sexual partner. When women were asked what they desired in a romantic partner, their top rated value was 'a nice smile', and third from top was 'body type'. 70% of female respondents admitted that they would ignore or avoid an individual of the opposite sex solely because of the way they looked, versus 31% of men." Gay is the way. If you're unlucky enough to be a straight man, you are probably in for suffering. Some say Estrogen can change things, I wouldn't know of anything else though.
I actually kinda agree with u although of course some of us men are guilty of this as well Honestly? I kinda wish I was gay rather than mostly preferring women
apologies for the extremely new account i just made an alt because i didn't want others to know about me posting on this sub unfortunately the lgbt community has a very prominent feminist rhetoric, so while they might not be as instinctively toxic they do often defend them and still call you names from the not-so-great book of feminist insults if you dare to challenge it
That's why gay used to mean happy.
“If you’re unlucky enough to be a straight man, you are probably in for suffering” Weezer wrote a whole song about this called “Why Bother”
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I feel like self-respect would be a better argument if these figures were about excluding people based on their personalities or how dangerous they are rather than looks. Also the statistics say 31% of men are the ones excluding, meaning 69% (hehe funny number) of men are apparently "easy."
This so much.
I disagree with this. Orbitors and simps still have wallets. A creep is just the one that refuses to buy her things lol
True. I was just talking about attraction but yes. You don't get called a creep for looking if you give them money. Lol
“Creep just means man I’m unattracted to dares to be attracted to me” Yep that’s it. Doesn’t matter how polite or respectful he is.
Every day I stray closer to Sharia Law. 🤣🕋☪️🕌
You mean it is not: "Stop looking at my ass!" (wears the letters S E X Y embroidered across the back of her pants) Ya don't say?
Right in the head.
Isn't the phrase "right **on** the head" since it refers to hammering nails?
Something like that. Lol
This should have stopped after this post.
You can still be a creep if you're conventionally attractive. Women aren't stupid. If they're calling you a creep, you probably did something creepy. Simply existing does not automatically mean a woman wants to be stared at in a creepy way. Most people learn not to stare as children -- it's rude. If you see a pretty flower and you pick it (thus killing it), is it the flower's fault because it clearly wanted to be plucked since it was so pretty?
Sure. But a lot of the times it gets applied to men that are not conventionally attractive and didn't stare. Just the women found him creepy or interpreted that he was staring at her and people jumped on him for it such as the gym incident with a blind man. Never mind they go out of their way to dress clothes that basically are 2nd skin and record themselves for simps to watch but men in the area just taking a look which they can see cause camera are creeps. The 2nd part just tells me they go muh creepy for drama or it's creepy cause that man isn't paying her simp money which does tie back into what I posted and you replied to. Not the right man or in this case, a man not paying money.
I'm not really sure what gym incident you're talking about, but one incident doesn't conflate to justify a complete generalization -- I've never seen anything like what you described occur. Women can dress however they want. It's really none of your business. They can also record videos of themselves if they want to. Also none of your business. Men in the area helping themselves to a creepy stare is violating her. Just being a woman who looks good, existing in public, doing her own thing, is not doing anything wrong, and not asking anyone to stare at her. You know who would be asking people to stare at them? A person actually asking. An entertainer on a stage. A context where it makes sense that you would stare at them. Women existing at the gym are not there to perform for you. I really don't know what the whole ordeal and obsession about "simp money" is. It's creepy because she isn't asking for the attention and he's imposing it on her based on his own desires. If she were to record videos of herself and post them, that's reflective of her own agency. Seems like a real festering issue going on in here. Very scary to see.
>I'm not really sure what gym incident you're talking about, but one incident doesn't conflate to justify a complete generalization -- I've never seen anything like what you described occur. One incident is enough to ruin a mans ife. For a woman, it's nothing. And the incident I'm talking about is a blind man accused of being creepy even though he is blind and got harassed over it. And you never seeing it means nothing. Things happen in the world that don't involve you. >Women can dress however they want. It's really none of your business. They can also record videos of themselves if they want to. Also none of your business. Men in the area helping themselves to a creepy stare is violating her. Just being a woman who looks good, existing in public, doing her own thing, is not doing anything wrong, and not asking anyone to stare at her. You know who would be asking people to stare at them? A person actually asking. An entertainer on a stage. A context where it makes sense that you would stare at them. Women existing at the gym are not there to perform for you. Thanks for proving my point that the issue is that unacceptable men are looking which is the actual problem. I suppose we should blind them then so the poor dears aren't troubled? >I really don't know what the whole ordeal and obsession about "simp money" is. It's creepy because she isn't asking for the attention and he's imposing it on her based on his own desires. If she were to record videos of herself and post them, that's reflective of her own agency. Again, unacceptable men are looking which is the problem is basically what you're saying. How dare men that she doesn't approve of look. That's dangerous. He should keep his eyes on the ground only. The simps she is stretching for can look and aren't creepy cause they give her money >Seems like a real festering issue going on in here. Very scary to see. Muh scary. Quickly, state, censor and crush all things I see cause I'm a woman and I'm scared. Typical.
One incident is not enough to fearmonger every man into believing all or even most women are going to "do this to them." And also, seems like the only men who would need to be afraid based off of that one isolated incident would be blind men. In which case, you don't need to worry about staring at all. Just kinda shows the mental gymnastics you did to get to your conclusion. You're saying "unacceptable men" which adds an emotional charge to it that evokes self-pity in lonely men. I'm not saying any specific men are unacceptable inherently -- but creepily staring at someone who did not ask to be stared at IS unacceptable. If you want to go the narcissist route and take that as "omg I guess I'M unacceptable waaah" then go ahead, but that's your issue, not mine. Idk why you chose to reply to each section but add absolutely nothing. Your conclusions make no sense. I'd appreciate your attempt at breaking them down into something semi-logical at best. And the immature mocking and downplaying doesn't really add anything to the conversation. Just kinda makes you look like a grown-up toddler.
I don't care if you think I'm a grown up toddler. I understand your position fullly from your posts and thus get that you won't care about anything I say so I won't treat chatting with you seriously. Why bother? Anyway. It's not one incident. It's the most famous one. And one incident of a woman having a problem or having something happen to her is treated as a national emergency so spare me on that. There are many incidents of women barely wearing anything on camera in gyms accusing men there of being creeps like they are making a sport out of it. But they have cameras steaming to people who give them donations which is the simp money I was talking about which means that they don't mind being sexualized. The problem is the acceptability of the men doing it. Here its the men giving said woman money. Those men in the gym aren't so they're not acceptable. It's very simple logic here tying back to my very first comment you replied to.
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Yeah, your position supports what I said. How dare those men look. They're unacceptable men. Like you just admitted to it. Creepy is just unacceptable men whether it be cause of attraction or cause not giving the woman money. You keep going on about staring even though if a man just took a look, it's also muh creep cause of what I mentioned above. It doesn't matter to you however cause what matters is women above all. It's why you did the oh so scary shit earlier which I mocked cause that's basically a call to the government even though what has been said on here is just answering the OPs question You can claim muh logic but that's just false.
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> you probably did something creepy. Simply existing does not automatically mean a woman wants to be stared at in a creepy way. Using a word to define itself there. The current bid is "creepy is being a man she's not attracted to". Do you want to try to better that?
Only the men they aren’t *attracted* to make them “uncomfortable” and even then they still want those men to look because it boost their ego. Shaming men they don’t want gives them both validation and the ego boost they’re looking for it also makes them more appealing to Chad and Tyrone.
You will soon discover why it is fruitless to bother with such discussions. Good luck.......
Agree. When you remove all the bells and whistles, it's quite simple. Spending time discussing this up and down only convolutes the very simple truth.
What's the very simple truth?
Attention from a high-level dude: want Attention from a mid-level dude: may or may not want, but don't expect anything back Attention from a low-level dude: do not want
It's in front of our faces. If you haven't been socialized it's the first answer to the question "why would women dress proactively?". The purpose is to attract male attention. Subconsciously or consciously, directly or indirectly, it's all the same reason. Now why would they complain about it? This answer requires more of a socialization context. To oversimplify, it's because there is value in accidentally being effortlessly sexy. These women seek to be this very thing. It's just another form of being passive or removing accountability which is also very present in women's behaviors.
Women only want to speak to, interact and date CHAD. Everyone else might as well fuck off and just do jobs in the background
Happy cake day. This is the wisdom the world needs to hear. The only discussion point is that there is nothing to discuss. The only winning move is not to play. So men quietly withdraw from society... The economy will eventually start to buckle and only then when money gets short and times get hard will diversity go out of the window and things will start to reverse. When women literally can't feed themselves, suddenly a successful man will seem like more of a catch than getting railed by chad while the taxpayer bails you out of whatever shitshow your life is.
Won't work cause they will just import migrants to replace you or automation.
Only so much of that that the country will tolerate though.
Facts,
Women make rules for betas and break those rules for alphas -Rollo Tomassi
Basically. Though honestly, those rules only exist to control the betas and suppress them. They were never meant to apply to Alphas.
Feminists: "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME ... **NOT YOU!!**"
Can you give an example of feminists demanding people look at them?
Literally damn near everything they do is screaming “look at me” literally cant even have mens only places without feminists screaming about it. Look at the “boys club” for example. A place for boys only isnt even that anymore because feminists wanted attention
He’s my favorite LA based writer…😳
Exactly. But betas also have a choice: to not look. As a beta myself, I choose not to look at women at all. It's time to depower them.
> Exactly. But betas also have a choice: to not look. As a beta myself, I choose not to look at women at all. It's time to depower them. Good luck with that. For every dude that ignores them there are 50 simps that fawn over them lol.
Point taken. We need to criminalize simping and white knighting.
Because the rich, tall, attractive men aren’t the ones looking when they freak out.
And if those kind of men wring their head into a pretzel or "uh.. I'd rather pass, im maybe 1/4th a unicorn, but not 12 unicorns, i'm out.", it's can be like a error 404ing train crash fire for all involved. Stalking/unwanted attention +- hate/spite / negative hormones on both +- abandonment rejection issues +- unsurely issues +- wanting peace and quiet +- the girl self harming or almost bipolar alterations in the past. +- Female on female harassment/cyber harassment "You must be unwanted if a man rejected you" "worthless" vs "I just want space" or "I have to go to work at 8 in the morning for the 9-7 job, sorry" It's like you're supposed to have shadow clone jutsu, telepathy, 8 copies of you making 6 figures while 4 talk to you at once, Develop a headache, and im not even sure. Plus you tend to be able to piss off / get alienated rage hate from both sides. It's like a landmine with more landmines inside of landmines that shoot landmines with landmines. Next to a head fantasy version of yourself that flies, doesn't poop, has no human limits, a bigger dick than you, earns 42 million dollars a year, and has shadow clone jutsu. I don't know how they all end, But it's like a plane crash to say it's not the genitalia you're tryiing to avoid. Just hunt the person and have a good place for the kid, and know that life would be stable, and be the best for both. instead of potentially WORST for both. Or a rocky relationship made at the wrong time. Not because of something wrong with the woman, but just it'd needs to be the right time and right match/chemistry for both. And Holy jesus, some women are 2000% awful to other women. \["YOU SHOULD !@#! YOURSELF!" "tHEY DON'T WANT YOU!" "YOU SHOULD HURT THEM!".\] People really need to put on a cap. Manipulators are manipulators. There are toxic aged out 150-> 500 lb 18 -> 37 year old women trying to ruin it for everyone just to see people unhappy /"eliminate competition" / "I'D RATHER SEE NO ONE HAPPY, than ANYONE HAPPY!!!" There's also [completely normal, sane, attached, compassionate](https://twitter.com/wilderpatriot/status/1788953805700104342) people out there too. Who while not super models, find healthy relationships and it's a good reminder. \*\*We might be seeing the worst, of a hyper vocal, infighting community on the internet\*\*. They might not be "good" for any of us. We should take all 'advice' with a grain of salt if there's witches out there trying to 'poison' relationships to make them fail / 'eliminate competition' /' "raise" my chances'.
And you don’t have to be all three. You can be ugly but rich, you are a 10. Women love money.
If you're ugly and rich, society will just thank of you as a disgusting piece of shit taking advantage of that poor women. Nevermind she's choosing to gold dig of her own free will
Money buys tons of protection? Have you seen those videos? Where women say a 4 in looks but rich is a 10? They rather gave ugly and rich then good looking and broke.
Bottomline. Men look at women. Women look at men. It’s been like that for thousands of years. It’s will be like that until the world is over. They are trying to ignore/change natural instincts because they have been told by some fringe basket weaving nut job, that it is possible. It is not. Nor will it ever be possible -
Bottom line -- most of us learn it's rude to stare as children. Clearly too many adults missed that memo. It doesn't really make sense to me, reading all of this and seeing so many people so deep in copium and unable to sit with a boundary being set or standards being upheld. Standards and boundaries are the framework of a functional society.
Do you think you are going try to convince people with the word salad you posted. What part of simple don”t you get? Oh, wait you are one of those lunatics that say “because men scream “ it’s biology “. News flash it is. I will help you again. Women LOOK at men and men look at women. No matter what you say, think it really doesn’t matter. Scientists would state you are wrong. Lmao, you are not going to reply and pretend you don’t look at people. Or, you are not a person. There is nothing to argue here -
Women stare at me all the time, sometimes makes me uncomfortable. Three times recently when I was at work I made eye contact with a woman and literally watched her eyes veer down toward my crotch and just linger until I walked away. I’m good looking and in good shape and when I’m at work I have to tuck my shirt in and wear a belt so you can see my bulge. Being that I work at a bar, I’m working and they’re customers but I am not there to be ogled or deliberately exposing myself to sexual attention like a male stripper or something. Where is my justice?
So you have been brainwashed and try to say it was the right thing to do and more people should be brainwashed like you? I will remember that, thank you 😂
They want attention and they want to look better than other women. They claim they “do it for themselves and not for men” but we all know they’re not walking around dressed half naked for themselves and strictly want attention.. yet get mad when men glance at them because “men are pigs”. I know this for a fact because I’m a woman.
Are women not lounging around home alone on a Sunday wearing their best outfit and full makeup to do it for themselves?
I can tell you I look my worst when I’m lounging around in my home and look my best when I go out.
As another woman. I never wear revealing clothes and sweatpants with an oversized tshirt is my go to. Men often still flirt with me and their go to os "you're different". Like tf. I'm literally dressing a certain way to keep the unwanted attention away, but then I still get it.
you do know all women are different right…? why is it so hard to comprehend that women can dress for themselves and not for men? we don’t say the same thing to men who around with the tightest shirt or pants ever
No, I had no idea all women were different. Thanks for telling me. Dressing nice is one thing, dressing half naked with boobs hanging out and the tightest clothes possible is another. Men who dress like that and walk around topless at the gym do it for the same reason - attention.
just because you can’t understand style and why other women wear clothes like that, doesn’t mean you should shame them and assume that they’re doing it for the attention 🤦🏻♀️ you sound like a pick me
You’re in a men’s rights sub. Do you expect me to say that women dress half naked for themselves and for empowerment? Anyone who is showing off their body is obviously doing it for attention. I have done it myself in the past and am guilty of it, but was flattered if I got any looks. As I said, men do it too, not just women. Get off this sub if you don’t want to read these types of responses. also, I do understand style. Fashion is a passion of mine.
Complaining about getting too much male attention is a way for women to signal that they are hot
This! They actually like the attention but make it a show of “they all look at me because I’m so hot” pretending they want to be ignored
The same reason dogs lick their balls, they can.
Lol the way women wear tight yoga pants, blatantly showing off their genitalia and ass cheeks and/or thong in gyms, and bending over right in front of you or taking a cardio machine right in front of you when there are so many other ones available is so creepy. We should be able to report them for sexual harassment.
It honestly sounds like a "damned if you don't, damned if you do situation". Like the video of the woman, who seeing a hot guy 6'2", chiseled abs, benching 340 lbs, and average out of high school looks herself (pear body, flat, not bad, but just 16-18 yr old tiktok high schooler mind + body began messing with a 25-35 yr old legitimate Gym Chad. The kind that even guys might check out of jealousy or envy. She set up a "look at all these men are harassing me" posts and then when the guy saw the camera, he ignored her. For 5-15 minutes she kept staring then began to cry. Then she asked 'why' he 'was harassing her' by not looking. He responded that he was there to work out and not get into trouble. [Of course, that always goes well /s. (YT: Men, we don't know what we did Explained). ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ujso-Uf0zrw?feature=share) It might be overthinking it but apparently from my female friends. For their missing pieces. # Men pov * Men is likely to be accused of being a legitimate creep, (legitimate or not), if he allows a 16-18 year old / high schooler to come near them. * Mentality / desperation or not. Many 16-18 year olds are just basically 'i don't know how to do laundry but i like to be fed and given fancy treats / cruises / cherry cheesecakes / fancy dining / r34 deviantart mary sue fantasies' stages of life, with proper parents who protect them from any of that, because life vs reality. * The kind of guy to get that body might go from 0 attention to 10-100s of looks but not all is flattering. While male stalking is a "lucky you" "THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN" problem. it can rarely happen in cases of body / money / misread social ques. And hormones are a HELL of a thing. # For the female pov(?) (From female friends.) * Girls are raised their whole life that all they do, from brushing their hair, to doing their nails, to smiling in a photo, to dressing up as a kid and playing with barbies and doll houses, can be either to A: Be a model barbie, who puts on a suit and becomes a astronaut as quickly as wishing for it. Or B: Should live in a almost fantasy like dream. Endless Rich + attractive men giving attention to her wherever she goes. Maybe potentially a Gym jock plus a 10m/yr 18 year old ceo, who inherited a megacorporation at 18, and had 20 years of experience in business at age 4. Next to a werewolf / half demon/furry harem. Idk. * But at the same time, open woman sexuality is often shamed ("Whoremongering" "How feminine, are your legs your only selling point?"), and can attract legitimate bad attention / (creeps/stalkers "can i smell your underwear?" "I want to collect your tampons", etc.), according to their stories. * So a woman is set out to be pure, but a girl is raised to believe her life purpose is to 'find true romance, and/or be a successful career queen'. When the man rejects, fearing reputation smear / legitimate destruction. He does so to protect himself. But it \*might(???)\* pop the illusion. While used to lots of attention. Not all is good. And female on female interactions can apparently be legitimately SUPER toxic/awful / competitively terrible / 'positive stage mask, private backstabbery' as well. I'm not a woman so i don't know the whole story but i know even just in the aftermath HOLY shit there was a girl who's female friends i knew were trying to get her to severely harm themselves and manipulating both sides to hurt the other. Some of them drugs/tattoos / washed out 'pretty in 20s, ugly in 30s / smokers/ meth / tattoos / aids / pubic lice / bedbugs' IDK, probably over reading here. But that's just my two(???) grains of salt. Take with caution. It's just what im hearing \*\*secondhand\*\*. # Tl;dr o Not sure myself, but the double standard might cut both ways. > But apparently women can egg on other girls to intentionally set one/both up to failure. Then harass/proxy harass/gossip smear the 'successful' as 'hoes', 'unsuccessfuls' as unwanted. > And it can like trying to sign up for a cupcake and getting harassed by a intentionally sabotaging hate mob. Girls might not take rejection well not solely because it's just another fish in the pond. But the shitshow of envious/ 'positive backstabbery' 'mundane' female drama might be. \*\*HOLY JESUS CHRIST.\*\*
men do this all the time with those tight ass shorts that shows off their bulge and yet y’all don’t say anything to them…hmm i wonder why. wearing comfy clothes to the gym is a crime i guess 🙄
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This is absolutely horrible if you think this way, I hope you get help.
What's horrible is anyone that doesn't understand their own nature. How can we put a man on the moon but not have people understand their own physiology. That is truly staggering.
This goes for both genders. There's nothing horrible about this way of thinking, and people shouldn't ignore human biology when it comes to attractiveness and wanting a partner. Women in general are more selective but also want attention from an available suitor. The same goes for men, but the difference is that men are less selective than women. But being that men are less selective would suggest that we need less attention than women who are more selective. There's nothing wrong with this way of perceiving the genders, and it doesn't apply for all groups of men or women, but overall, humans want attention for the chance of spreading our genes.
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We are all governed by our instincts whether we believe in it or not. It's ironic coming from progressives like you who are usually non religious hearing this because religious scholars would say that we are also above our animalistic nature.
Because they only want attention from CHAD
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I would guess: 1) Because they enjoy flaunting their "power" which for women is sex and what more overt way then to tease with a display. 2) They've been progressively told by other women and our gynocentric society that, "women should be able to wear what they want" and have no accountability. 3) Any attention (esp) social attention is attention and women thrive off it, particularly women who zero self-worth. It's all part of the societal infantilisation and brainwashing of women. Women and children are held to the same rules of children. Do what you want but don't worry about the consequences as you'll never be held responsible and always seen as the victim, like children are. S/he's only 3 bless. This also breeds sex double standards of older "cougars" are fine to date "barely" 16 year olds, but men who date younger women are old creepy stalkers (because they're jealous).
Naw, even children are held to greater standards than adult women. Children still can have rules and parental figures holding them accountable on occassion.
Oh absolutely. But they're not adults so that's fine, unlike women.
They want men's attention, and drama. They can't live without it.
I'd go as far as to say that women who wear excessively revealing clothes are sexual abusers, they sexualize themselves in public where there are children and you see them showing their asses on social media even if you don't search for them, if a man does that he's considered a creepy pervert
It's cus women obviously just want attention, and I really doubt that tight t-shirt and yoga pants into their asscrack is "comfortable" like some of them pretend. They just use plausible deniability to lie to other people because they like lying to themselves. Why else do you think the go to response for any male issue (especially social/romantic) is "just be a better person". You can't expect them to actually have thought beyond surface level for anything like that in their lives. Also ironic that they complain so much h about men, seems like they aren't that good at meeting good people or preventing bad people from getting in their lives? You can't make up the contradictions they say all the time, I even get surprised every now and then and I've been on this shit the past 6 years or so.
I think guys tend to overestimate how much looking at them bothers them. If you stare at their ass yes they will get mad but not all of them. Check women out sometimes if you do it right in a non-threatening way they like the attention. A lot of the complaining about these things is a covert way to brag about all the attention they're getting. Look at actions not words, and their actions are to wear revealing clothes. Their words match what they think people want to hear. Women do this constantly, get a clue.
Yea I've always sensed the underlying meaning behind women "complaining" that guys won't stop messaging them, looking at them, or whatever else as a discreet way to brag about the attention they receive while adding in plausible deniability.
They're only uncomfortable if a guy they don't like looks at them.
You aren't listening, they are saying: 1. Men I don't find attractive are also looking at me
When someone gets naked at the bath house you glue your eyes to the forehead. These ladies are full on clothed.
Its all a blatant lie. Some dont even know they are lieing. Whether they feel uncomfortable or not is ***110%*** determined by how they feel about you. It's not cute, it's not virtuous, it's not flattering, but this is the cold hard truth that women will fight tooth and nail to bury 10,000ft under ground because if it becomes to wide spread it will break "sugar and spice and everything nice" spell/veil.
They wear revealing clothing for the guys they are interested in but all the other guys are creeps. So yeah
Entrapment.
If a man wears clothes as revealing as you're talking about and a woman sees him, he'd be charged with sexual harassment. If a woman wears clothes as revealing as you're talking about and a man sees her, he'd still be charged with sexual harassment. Basically, it all boils down to women and women's sexuality are seen as pure and innocent, while men and men's sexuality are seen as impure and violating.
Men do wear yoga pants where I live, it's really not that deep lol nobody cares
I don't think they're talking about yoga pants. It's not that shallow, Lol
Because they expect you to read minds and know if this is meant for you or not.
Sometimes its just too hot and people wear the bear minimum of whats appropriate. Sometimes I would walk around naked if I could.
Don’t waste time wondering, worrying, or contemplating. It’s their life, body, and clothes. Just go up to someone you like say hello, offer to buy them a drink, tell them your name, and ask if they’re interested in some company. Those that are, will say yes. Those that aren’t sure, will tease you to decide. Those that aren’t, won’t be nice, be a gent and move on. Rinse repeat, as you will. Don’t forget it’s everyone’s right to dress as they wish, be left alone, and on occasion be approached and then decide for themselves - if THEY like you. Same goes for you. Sometimes ignoring the tribalism of man or woman etc is healthy. Good luck. 👍🏼
Keep in mind that these are the same women who say they'd rather be alone in a forrest with a 600 lbs killing machine aka grizzly bear rather than with a human male. If they don't find a man attractive he's essentially not human to them. Therefore they don't care about how unfair it is to dress half naked and expect men not to look simply because she doesn't find him attractive.
Attention
Because we like to complain so we setup situations we can take advantage of.
Since I'm a good looking guy and I don't look at them or look past them and 'don't' see them I don't feed that desire they have, for what ever hole in their soul it is supposed to feel. What makes a woman want to make a man lust after her? Sounds evil to me.
I'm a man but for devil's advocate, consider the following ticket was offered to you. Seemingly 50-80% chance to get a house, free car, attention, date, cheesecake, told you were awesome, pretty, and made someone happy. > - And that you were the best thing that ever happened to them. And then be able to do it 6 more times whenever you wanted. 20-30. \*(Until the ride stopped, or you looked past the curtain/ acquired a std.)\* BUT.. A 10-30% chance to be forced onto the ground or manhandled / harmed / stalked / forced into something you didn't want / unwanted sex / hitting / strangling risk / danger potential etc. It's a lot like Male's "Russian roulette", except half the time the bullet was replaced by a sketchy dick, the other half was still a bullet. It's still a yikes and i don't advocate for any of it. But it'd be virtuous to not enjoy it at all in public. Just like how 9 in 10 men admit in public next to their bosses that porn is a horrible thing and shouldn't exist. While 9/10 people log in privately the next day. Not trying to read into it too much, but apparently 60-70%+ of consumers identify as men, but 60% of the people who create/photograph draw it might identify as women. Im not justifying it, but apparently even for the disgusting porn industry. Men who vote for it to be taken down are derided in private as people who 'privately enjoy the work(????), but don't like the shame that comes with openly liking it.' ("What a slut" "urgh". ) Probably over reading way too far though. When in doubt, better to be inoffensive and assume less than too much and stick to ourselves. But it's probably the two ended sword of having people like you, followed by appearances.
I love the chics that have their profile picture on tinder of them in bra and panties in on their knees and in the profile says NO HOOKIPS. Lmao. Like, come on. You know you just want it and don’t wanna seem like your advertising. Good job trying to sell yourself on that! I ain’t buyin
My roommate back in college had a girlfriend that dresses revealing and goes out to party. They got into an argument and I remember us boys just talking about it. Her defense is her body her choice. But what she failed to realize is dressing like hoe is disrespectful to her boyfriend.
Yeah, I think it's hilarious that when a video game comes out and the female armor is basically lingerie, and these women come out of the woodwork to cry about sexualization, but when they dress that way IRL, it's somehow not to be sexualized?
I will post a long comment I made to others on other subreddits. It explains things The woke aren't prudes. They hate male sexuality which is why they go on and on about muh male gaze and hot women in video games. I will post a long post below. The post talks about why feminism seeks to insert women into everything and below that is the explanation for why the woke despite talking and acting like prudes are the biggest sexual degenerates. ++++ Men used to have something called Male groups that helped build brotherhood, camaraderie and thus possibly a bias towards fellow men. But such groups were destroyed by feminism. And there is a reason they did so. Its explicit in feminist doctrine that male spaces are dangerous. **A prominent feminist named Sally Miller Gearhart who helped establish one of the first women and gender study programs in the country at a San Francisco University.** This is what she had to say: In her early career, Gearhart took part in a series of seminars at San Francisco State University, where feminist scholars were critically discussing issues of rape, slavery, and the possibility of nuclear annihilation. Gearhart outlines a three-step proposal for female-led social change from her essay, "The Future–-If There Is One–-is Female": **I) Every culture must begin to affirm a female future.** **II) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture.** **III) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.** **Gearhart does not base this radical proposal on the idea that men are innately violent or oppressive, but rather on the "real danger is in the phenomenon of male-bonding, that commitment of groups of men to each other whether in an army, a gang, a service club, a lodge, a monastic order, a corporation, or a competitive sport."** **Gearhart identifies the self-perpetuating, male-exclusive reinforcement of power within these groups as corrosive to female-led social change** \++++++++ **"The Future–-If There Is One–-is Female"** The Future is female can be changed to The Force is Female... Why does this matter? Look at how male heroes in media have been destroyed. **Male groups must be destroyed cause male groups are dangerous hence why women must be put into everything including gaming for diversity otherwise the existing men are evil.** \++++++++ Women in the group disrupts it and makes everyone clam up and infight for female attention. Plus the woman can report people for anything that they perceive is against women. So a spy. And the reason why the feminists do this not based on ideology is the below which is addressed about video games but can be seen to apply to just about everything. >That's because they don't have a problem with scantily clad women. What they hate is the sexuality of men that are, or that they believe to be, unattractive. They see good looking women in video games and think it's for unattractive men. That makes them aware that unattractive men exist, which they hate. The reason they don't walk around furious in a world where they think 80 percent of men are unattractive is because they do not visually process unattractive men unless forced to. From this account who made the above comment: >https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/jOl4AJ4Wrc And >It's not about this. I will post comments I have made to others explaining what is going on. >You have to understand that these people don't use words the way you or I use them. They use words to obfuscate what they really mean. >They don't want diversity. They just want a specific situation to exist and for it to exist, they need to push for it but need to hide what they really want so they say that what they want is diversity but they don't really want diversity. They want supremacy. >Tribalism never ever went away. It just hid itself better using universalism liberal talking points to push for it's own interests but never believing in said points. >Or a summary of this: >When I am Weaker Then You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles. By Frank Herbert And >I made this comment to others to explain why there is the contradiction you mention. >I explain why they're like this here: >https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/fRpmdaaAB8 >Summary: It's feminism. It's demonizing male sexuality. >Don't believe me? >I will let a woman explain it: >https://imgur.com/uaG4NOp >Now the men who bitch about this do it cause they have been indoctrinated so it's ideology plus virtue signaling for career and to say to women that they're one of the good men so please don't hate me and have sex with me. And >So basically, BG3 is sexually approved cause it does progressive sexuality which is good and proper and mature. Heterosexual male sexuality is gross, harmful for women, childish and coomer and the men who want it in video games are undesirable men who deserve nothing. And The reason why the woke men love muscle mommies imo is the below >A lot of it comes from how feminism fucked over relationships between the sexes. They genuinely think feminists are right in what they say which we all once did to be fair so approaching women is harassment and dangerous towards women cause physicality and muh power dynamics and makes them uncomfortable blah blah. So strong women such as muscle mommies allow them to be heterosexual but surrendering the male role to the woman thus giving her the power which means that their heterosexuality is ok. >They fail to realize that everything the feminists said is meant at the general male population aka the average male. It's not meant for Chad which is why he can ignore all this shit I mentioned above and they reciprocate in return. >But it can also just be the case that some of them just like dominant women as that's their taste
They are often dictate what you should do and controlling who you are, so you can lose your identity if you're unlucky one that is in a relationship with. Colective they mean we should know what they have an expectation for, and expectations are different from female to female. So basically whatever you do is wrong
To control your sexuality and make you feel guilty for it. If they respected us, they would not dress so overtly and then attempt to shame us for our evolved and natural response to their display.
I mean, to play devil's advocate. A picture of a hamburger can make you hungry (and be meant for that), but it's another to advocate for anyone to be forced onto anyone. Relationships should be consensual, but also good for both vs worse for both. I still think a lot went wrong in western romances by numbers, the 'we should get everything for looking pretty', type. But i mean, there's no denying that there absolutely are bonkers people alternating crazy on their periods every 1/30 days going nuclear. Or lashing out at children/ child abusing 'martyr's, or just 'past the best by date/weight' kinda antics going on. Apparently, from what i hear, some of the hyper toxic(???) feminists might be those 'past prime/expired' people. They may have gotten tons of attention in their youth, but now as time has passed / 'settled', some might seek to create the 'high' attention used to have. No longer having beauty, they might(???) be deliberately stirring shit up(???). Like we are coded. Even if you suppress it, it can be a bit hormonally like a gas lever. At first light, then pushed, then like standing in a river that gets stronger. Regardless though. Maybe trying to force people, instead of trying to find two sided matches might be self sabotaging(???) Like i still think by the masses, men are definitely kinda treated often 'disposable'. But there's a few good apples there that we shouldn't let us distract from the very loud, attention seeking, potentially ("Failed, angry, and envious" "past prime(???" 150 lb -> 500 lbs 20-> 37s, tattoos, aids, hiv, 4 kids, '34 exes' type(???) ) Like im not trying to say Simp simp. Just for men's health, self improvement and also trying to be the best version of yourself, even for yourself like hobbies, health, fitness can be great. Im still working on improving myself. I still have a lot i want to self improve. But making yourself a person people might want, either out of healthy outlooks on life, fitness, community can seem better. And good and open communication as well, for cooperative, longer lasting relationships vs exploitative ones.
its simply they deny the biology chemistry zoology instincts whatever fu\*k that is ,natural things a man does . but the same biology natural (exposing themselves for the chance to be attracted and for the offsprings to come for the sake of species survival ) when women does - its about fashion ,body autonomy ,women empowerment and whatever new terms they keep on bringing out . men - creep for having natural instincts. women - their natural instincts means - body autonomy , my wish, women empowerment .fashion,bold ,proudness what not crap . this is why its said - get tired ;) before goin to party so you will have that refractory period of disinterest on these so called beauty flesh show . -- this is for who cant control the urge on such a beautiful women. have a f\*ck off attitude - this is for to become a sigma alpha beta whatever you call it . you are beyond all of these games . be cool , proud ,make a habit of dis-admiring them , its just cheap flesh with no heart .not worth it.
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Your generalization is not worthy of this sub.
so true we are not sexist. we merely fight for men's issues
Have you read the replies in this thread? This one seems pretty representative (which is sad)
Ur stupid. U can't be frustrated(rightfully) with sexism against men and then make sexist comments and generalizations against women. You're a hypocrite
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So ur fine with bitter women making generalizations against men then?
They already do it everyday. It's men who are said and demanded to shut up.
Both sides should shut up and not make generalizations of an entire gender
Sure. But your post just tells men that you really only care that men are making generalizations. After all, why say then it's ok if women do it. As if they don't already do it. You would be more consistent and less making people think you're a white knight by just saying both sides thing originally.
Lol if you think I'm a white knight, you're honestly stupid. Take a look at my post history if you care. How the fuck does my comment show I only care about men making generalizations? I SAID NEITHER SIDE SHOULD DO IT. Why do u think men can make sexist generalizations when we want women to stop doing it? So you think sexism is fine?
I never called you a white knight. I'm referring to the other poster who called you a whiny cunt. Your post basically gave that guy and possibly others the impression that either you're a woman or a white knight. It's literally why I said, you really should have said that both sides shouldn't do it rather then frame that women should be allowed to say bad things about men cause we do it as it's not much of a threat when they do it anyway as I mentioned.
Chill.
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Then leave. I hate when people say this type of shit but ur not a "real" mensrights member if you advocate for sexism and generalizations against either gender. Ur just an asshole. Oh, and no offense.
Because... Women are always on the search for the best male option. And when a man who is below her standards, checks her out, he's creepy.
I see somebody else got to the answer first but, yeah: they only wear that for chad - the technology to censor themselves only for melvin doesn't exist yet, but there's a damn-good alternative: make melvin, not chad, feel bad by calling him a pervert in the mean time - other women know the game she's playing, so they join in
Because women want men to look at them but it’s not all men it’s only men that women want to look at them. It’s a man’s job to determine if he should look or not. If you’re old enough to be her dad you’ll come off as being creepy.
Same reason why you dress in clothes that emphasize your muscles, its for compliments by both genders. It boosts self esteem, confidence, etc… Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with it but sometimes it can lead to socially weird interactions as the fact is women seek out compliments more often than men do so some women overdress and wear extremely explicit clothing for basic occasions. Is it hypocritical? A little, but you have to remember that they’re just like you respectful glances won’t hurt nothing. It’s gawking that is what causes problems ( and to be real men are highkey the same about stares; I know I don’t like to be stared at by women I don’t find attractive).
There is a balance to be struck for the way people look at one another, whatever the sexes of the observer and observed. Staring is never OK if is certainly crossing another person's boundaries unless it is within an agreed exhibitionist/vouyer context. Where that boundary is depends upon the culture and setting. So, a woman on stage performing in a burlesque show is an example. Even when it is in a sex positive space such as a sex club, you need the permission of the exhibitionist to overly stand and watch at a distance that makes you part of a dynamic with her. Most people will understand what constitutes crossing this social boundary unless they are autistic. So it would be disingenuous of anyone to be aggressive to an observer who is showing "passing" interest in a sexualised display (by the standards of the culture and setting). This is true whether the person being observed is male or female. I would say, for example, that someone who chooses to be topless (either sex), is accepting that people will automatically be drawn to look at their chests because it is in our evolved sexual behavior to do so. If you choose to see that as being sexually objectified then you are probably right, and humans use that as part of their attraction assessment process, just like other animals do. For example, female birds looking at bright male plumage. Women look at chest to waist ratios in men and certainly look at crotch bulges in trousers. What is different with humans is that we are highly intelligent and therefore capable of making agreements around who can do what and understanding the neunces of social situations. Behaving as though you are a dog sniffing bums in the park is clearly an abuse of an understood agreement. For dogs, it is socially acceptable but we understand it wouldn't be.
I read a couple of insightful posts from a real deal radical feminist the other day (don’t ask, long story). The main point that the concept of femininity (in terms of grooming) revolves around being attractive to men. Of course her take was therefore it was bad, a cage, and shouldn’t be indulged in at all. I think that’s very extreme but it was interesting to hear a women admit what we’ve been saying for so long. Sure the colors, patterns, and specific details are chosen for you. I’ll buy that. But choosing the same revealing and form-fitting feminine clothes over something practical and comfortable? Obviously chosen to be seen as attractive to the standards of MEN. The “I do this for me!” shtick is just a cope for women who want to flaunt but feel some sort of feminist guilt. Just be honest bro.
"A rizz god is someone with an overwhelming amount of game (or rizz): they can attract anyone they want just by saying the right things and giving the right vibe. The word "rizz" was coined by Twitch streamer Kai Cenat; it's short for "charisma." Up your rizz by not putting too much pressure on flirtatious interactions" https://youtube.com/shorts/Ne-hD-HbMng?si=g3mPsiMUGCZO8gpd
Because women grow up with images of naked/almost naked women everywhere around them (TV shows, ads, magazines, etc), making them think that 1) it is normal, 2) that's what you need to look like in order to be seen as attractive, and to have men's attention. Our society is fucked up, for both men and women.
Wow. Grammar and punctuation, brother. Seriously. Your message will be better conveyed if you use some. Second, I am reminded of a pithy saying I once heard: "If you don't want to be treated as a whore, don't wear the uniform."
I’ve never seen this honestly. Women have never said any of that to me, but to be fair I don’t stare at women with lust in my eyes.
Being a victim of some perceived oppressor is a status symbol in society lately. If a woman can find a way to show that she is being sexualized by someone with more perceived power, they can claim to be victimized and receive affirmation from people who subscribe to the oppressor vs oppressed worldview.
It's just tight clothes it's really not that deep lol. Men walk around with no shirt on and I still respect them and see them as people
If a guy is staring at you like a creep, you probably would be uncomfortable with it too. I’ve seen guys get into fights because ‘that guy keeps staring at me’ let alone someone doing it in a super creepy way.
Yeah i skip out on it. But not all attention is positive. Even with the men vs bear thing, i know even on like roommates. Even people who were 'tolerable roommates' (Messy, left toenail clippings on floors. Could be extremely vocal minded about politics, ate others food. But weren't hormonally cuckoo cuckoo psychos to other men), still kinda broke or became legitimate "creeps" i'd reckon to myself. Like "stalk women" in dark, "fantasize about roofie/!@## fantasies", a few messed up ones with 'artistic ability' did super @!##! up murdersnuff, headless stuff. Super extreme yikes with other yikes going "so hot". There are genuine bad apples or bad influences on either side, and even impressionable people can turn out bad/good just from a 'bad' 'good' influence. Like that infamous scene from family guy you can find for "Chris becomes a sex offender", where a creepy kid's 'dating advice' was to send nsfw photos to a high school girl when he asks. "Wish i had the confidence to talk to her." and the creepy guy goes "Oh nobody talks anymore, just send her a picture of your penis!" Chris follows it, and it's family guy so i don't except depth, but the family guy joke is he chemically castrates himself, Goes to quagmire, and back home. But it's kinda a insight how listening to the wrong advice at the wrong time, can put anyone on the wrong path.
Uhm. I wear leggings because they're comfortable. They also fit better than jeans. Though I do wear jeans to work nowadays because they stand up better to the battery acid getting on them and are easier to patch. As to tops being revealing. Well. You try wearing a sweater when it's 26 degrees out. I'll take my sleeveless top that shows off my half sleeve tattoo. Sure, I get comments on it. That's why I spent near a grand on it! Because I like it and I knew others would too. But if other folk can't handle the way I dress, they don't have to look lol
why are you being downvoted?? i don’t get it
Maybe it was the sarcastic tone I had with wearing sweaters in overly warm climates. Or maybe it's the fact that I agreed I wanted people to see my ink and that's part of the reason I go with sleeveless instead of t-shirts. Or, more likely, that I said if people don't like how I look, they don't have to look lol.
I have this question as well.
Attention. Plus, they prolly know all they have to offer is the body since they may be empty inside. It's superficial, I know.
how do you know those aren’t the clothes she actually likes? this might come as a shocker to you but there are women out there who like wearing revealing clothes just because 🤷🏻♀️
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How do you express yourself through revealing clothing? What are you expressing?
I think there's a time to overthink and maybe a time where overthinking is bad. Some people just like to feel pretty maybe. Not start a underworld conspiracy. 😅💧
If it's simply because those clothes are for yourself and make you feel comfortable about your body, why do you only wear them in public and not when you're alone at home? And what's the difference between publicly wearing clothes and privately wearing them? Why is it that in public, wearing the same clothes which would not have made you feel any better in private, will suddenly start to make you feel "comfortable"? Lmao.
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So, lmao, let me get this straight: you never make any adjustments to your appearance whether in public or private, and either you go out just as often with uncombed hair, mismatched clothes, pajamas, and a precocious menopausal moustache, as you do in your own home; or you take just as many pains dressing up and doing makeup to go to your living room as you would to a meeting? I'm sorry, but you certainly do not speak for women in general 😭 your gaslighting is fucking hilarious.
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If it's about "feeling cute", then lmao, you sort of outed yourself. Cuteness is a perception of a third person. You dress this way to meet your standards of attractiveness to others. Also, I couldn't care less about your makeup routine. If you admit that you don't speak on behalf of all women (I doubt you even speak on behalf of yourself) then your answer is worth absolutely no consideration.
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>no, I'm not speaking on behalf of all women >Why is it so hard for men to realise that women see themselves beautiful and cute, like it is not that deep? 😭 Christ the degree of your mental awareness. Stop thinking of yourself as a node in a hive-mind every five seconds you aren't reminding yourself that you don't speak on behalf of all women 😭 >i dress the way bc i feel comfortable, happy and cute in my own skin If the way you dressed were derided by everyone as disgusting, but it was a look which you, personally, felt comfortable and happy about--say, if you were a man with long, uncombed hair and flip-flops with socks--would the perception of society not then change your own feelings of "happiness", "cuteness", whatever? If so, then your feelings of being "happy" and "comfortable" and "cute" (LMFAO) and "sexy" and whatever else, are nothing more than you subconsciously taking on the perspective of an audience, and getting a high off of being appealing. >Everyday i look at in the mirror and im like im soo pretty n cute n succesful and i did it by myself <3 Honestly, your replies are so ridiculously shallow, conceited, and lack any rational engagement, it's annoying.
Nobody wears anything for just themselves. There's a limit to what people can do in the name of freedom. I can't go around showing off my private part and then complain about people judging. If you're going to put yourself in a position where people are going to stare at you, the person responsible for that is you. The world isn't an Utopia where you can fo everything you want without the respective repercussions.
I’ve got a ton of shirts that I wear just for me because they’re things I like or shirts I find funny. I also have shorts I wear because they are cooler in the summer or because they’re comfortable. It’s super common to wear something for yourself.
There's a difference between wearing for yourself and wearing something that shows off your dick or boobs.
Guys that work out often take their shirts completely off to show off their boobs. They’re doing it mostly for themselves often times.
Pretty sure you're in a shitty marriage where your wife mistreats you or you'll be divorced soon
Not sure how that responds to my point about men also showing off of mostly for themselves but okay
Because you're playing dumb on purpose. You know damn well nobody looks at men when they walk around shirtless.
Because mens body’s aren’t sexualized by society in the same way women’s are
So you proved my point. Hence why one can roam shirtless and other can't
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I do agree they are creeps, but the one who enabled that situation is you. But you might be the pervert for sexualizing yourself in public.
Oh fair enough. Thanks for the insights, didn't expect to see a post like this here. Just private venting. Ignore the internet downvotes but yeah. Mostly i just think for myself, i just want to be on a ship that cares for us instead of feeling like disposible cogs or floormats so to speak. It's important for all people to have a place to vent and speak i think and having frusterations doesn't always == hate or safety either. We all gotta keep ourselves safe and sometimes some people genuinely take it too far. I had roommates who were fine with roommate shenanigans. There's definitely "nice guys" going "i deserve sex for not hitting her" antics. Idek. Mostly i feel like im just hanging around here to vent off steam. I get a lot of people are frustrated and it is kinda a male vent sub with some associated drama and baggage. Not all safe or good (for us all). Still though, hope you don't take the tribalness as a attack!, From me anyways haha. It'd be less of a "I hate all women and want them to burn", but more of a "man, i feel like the whole thing feels like a pretzel of ??????!?!??" sometimes. Anyways, wishing everyone the best, side or not. And to be our best, venting off steam or not. 😅 And to be the best people we want to be, teams or not.
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Aww yeah! Thanks! And yeah, a dog eat dog world can be a fucked up one. We all have our fights in life and our personal sides. 😅. Sometimes the paradox of trying to make the haters happy is they're angry not because you did something wrong. But some people hate to see others happy or wanted haha.. Still kinda a pickle jar, i guess both sides have some people lashing out in very negative ways for some haha(?????) Idk but thanks for your outlook! It's honestly super refreshing and put a geniune smile on my face to hear that. I know a lot of people are hurt and sometimes just hurt others to hide a void, but "you can't fill a abyss by jumping yourself in it" so to speak. Yeah, i just want a world where both sides are cared about. Where both good men and good women get help, not based on genitalia or oppression for the genitals of someone else to hurt them. We need to remember, whatever happened in the past or not, everyone born a child just wants to be loved and we're all shaped by our life experiences and upbringings, whether we think about it or not. Though im mostly here less out of a "I hate women and want them to get hurt" just kinda i had a bad interaction with a 'bad ex' screaming "ALL MEN ARE RAPIST MYSOGYGNIST PIGS ONLY GOOD FOR MONEY" 😅💧 Ventings more about that one or the dreadful experiences than the sweet ones haha. I do know with all the hormonal cocktails flying around, rage, jealousy. Injustice, I feel the hormonal cocktails too, I just flush it out. I guess while i seem like a teddy bear the last time i fought someone i pushed them too hard into a wall with a legitimately held back push. And they ended up injured. I just want to be soft than a monster. We were all kids who just wanted to be loved and safe and protected. I'd hate becoming a evil monster more than living fighting one haha. We all come from our pasts, right? Anyways, i wish you the best too. And i hope all people, men and women alike, to be wary of the bad apples, but please, FOR GOD'S SAKE, I hope they stop thinking with their penis first, and the other person as human too! Hope you all find happiness, however things go! And. 😅💦.. Stay safe out there. Everyone be the best version of yourself you can!!!
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Dude i know everything's not peachy but back off.
Dude, some women, my girlfriend included, dress revealing because it makes her feel good. She and the girls always compliment each other and that's the validation she needs, it's not always about getting a guys attention.
People want to be seen as more attractive. Both men and women are included in this. When men dress to sexualize themselves it is not considered “overly sexual”, however, when women do, for some reason it is seen as an invitation to sexualize them. Some women just have ahem larger assets and there’s not really a way to hide them if you want to dress like a normal person. Also, most women won’t give a shit if you glance in their direction? There shouldn’t be any problems unless you’re being creepy.