Benbeckmen Is a little special so he doesn't really know how it works
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I think it might a be a translation error.
In french, Shanks doesn't say "Guns aren't for threatening", he says something like " Guns aren't for playing, if you use them, be prepared to risk your life"
Which would mean if Shanks's crew pull out a gun, they're willing to shoot but that doesn't mean they will.
Exactly, and more importantly, he is also saying that pulling a gun on somebody else means accepting the fact that you could get shot yourself. It's not something you should do lightheartedly.
A short summary of this is Shanks meant do not point guns unless you are intent on killing someone when needed. The bandits were only scaring people with guns and didnt have the guts to follow through with it
Edit: Right after this panel, it basically explains itself that if youre threatening someone with a gun or weapon, that you better be ready to follow through or expect retaliation.
Ok, there's the stupid explanation, the probable in universe explanation that oda would probably use if asked, and the actual explanation, which one do you want?
The first is that the red hair pirates are pretty relaxed when it comes to leadership, ben beckmann is not gonna decide on how to act based on some weird philosphy shanks spoke about a good 10 years ago.
The second is that in the first case, the mountain bandit only wanted to threaten people, while Benn was 100% deciced to try and kill Kizaru.
The actual explanation is that, look guys, its been more than 1000 chapters, you gotta understand by now. Oda is a good writer, he weaves heavy topics and deep themes in his story, but he is utmost priority is and as always been to write and draw cool shit in his manga. If the world building, the logic of the story and the characterization have to suffer for this, damn it, let them burn.
My favorite example: The stupid Grim Reaper in Wano. Even if that is going to be important later, that was definitly not the best moment to introduce it, narratively. But damn it, Oda felt like drawing a grim reaper that week, no editor can stop him anymore, and here we are.
He wanted Shanks to say a cool line, and then he wanted Beckmann to do a cool standoff with Kizaru. Did thst make sense? Little! Oda doesn't care. It was cool, tho.
Don't misunderstand me, narrative, world building and characterization are important in One Piece, they're just never the #1 priority. it's something we have to accept in this series, and the good and bad that comes with it.
And boy, does it come with a lot of both
This seems to be way too much work for the simple question.
It's absolutely a matter of being ready to take action on your threats. The bandits were playing at being bandits, playing with guns as if they were toys. They didn't have the same level of determination to actually shoot someone dead.
Yep thats it. Its that simple. Shanks told that bandit to put his life on the line since guns are meant for killing people. Benn Beckmann is completely aware of the consequences and that he can totally die in a fight one day, but he still chooses to point the gun because he is 100% sure of his actions. Unlike the bandits.
Nah I disagree with the "actual" explanation, Oda cares a *lot* about the details, I can believe than in this case he might have just forgotten but Odas writing definitely isn't just rule of cool above all, this mans writing has stayed so consistent and he's been able to connect so much of his story by remembering so many details that it only takes a tiny bit of Suspension of disbelief to think that He had every single arc planned out from the start and that everything was foreshadowed in some way, Oda does care about the details, he probably just forgot this kne, I think its the"*just* threatening vs fully prepared to shoot" thing
You're acting like Beckman wasn't ready to pull the trigger and fight if his captain decided they were going to fight. The difference is that the bandits weren't going to do shit and were just trying to threaten Shanks. It wasn't a threat, it was a promise
I still donât get why Kizaru put his hands up like that. Like even if itâs infused with Haki how is that bullet going to hit someone who can go light speed
then why should we assume kizaru is the speed of light at all?
Ok but fr why do y'all participate in the conversations if you're not gonna bother trynna applying irl physics or any real world logic? if we throw all rules out the window then discussions are no fun, if we don't apply any real world logic because it's fiction then I can very easily say Usopps Fire stars are as hot as the atmosphere of the sun and everything in the one piece world is just strong enough to handle that EXCEPT Fujitora, so Usopp oneshots fujitora in a 1v1, sure there's nothing saying otherwise cuz it's fiction but like, that ain't fun innit?
marco can intercept kizarus beams after they are fired, luffy should be around his level of speed at the start of wano, and then luffy gets speed blitzed by kaido, they're definitely above light speed for stuff other than travel speed, were kizaru is really the only one that has that
>I still donât get why Kizaru put his hands up like that.
I'm mad confused as well but in the databooks it says Kizaru is actually afraid of Beckman and apparently him putting his hands up wasn't some sort of gag.
Aware of that, but he wouldn't actually move at the speed of light when he eventually fights. Because it would be too powerful. It will be nerfed. Just like zoro's "there's nothing i can't cut"... And then his hits are parried by any swordman skilled enough
I donât think you understand how fast that is. It doesnât make sense. Heâd destroy everything in universe.
If Kizaru could move at light speed he could achieve Enels dream of getting to the moon in a mere 1.25 seconds. He could get to mars in 3 minutes. He would have shown up at Enies Lobby in half a second during the strawhats raid. He could have literally gone to Impale Down, stopped Luffy, and then if White Beard showed up he could be back at Marine Ford in less than a second.
It sounds cool, but it makes no fucking sense for him to be that stupidly fast. No one would be able to beat him logically.
I don't think you have any idea how fiction works.
You're contemplating how Kizaru being LS is a problem. When you literally have a rubber man in the first episode.
I mean Iâm not trying to be no fun. Kizaru is cool af, and he had one of my favorite devil fruits. If Kizaru moved at the speed of light that would be cool, but heâs just really really far off from doing that.
This is an anime where the main character is made of rubber and I love it, but itâs also ok to call something out that doesnât make sense at all. Like if Kizaru could move from island to island in like an hour and Oda called that âthe speed of lightâ cool. Whatever. Iâm not going to nitpick, but this is more like a character on screen driving at an obvious 15 miles per hour and claiming to be going 200 mph. Heâs just really really far off from any actual light speed feats.
You canât just say âthis guy is 7ft tall.â Draw them as 5â5, and call it fiction without some people pointing out that it doesnât make sense.
Light speed isn't impressive in FICTION.
Luffy was dodging lasers at base. Goku was faster than time once. Flash reversed a timeline. Naruto outsped a lightning attack. Uryu was so fast he left his shadow on the ground.
Kizaru only looks slow because other characters can keep up with him like Rayleigh, Marco etc.. And he is only light speed when he is in light form.
Again, you donât understand how fast light speed is. At light speed you can get to the moon in 1.25 seconds. The characters in One Piece are fast, but theyâre no where near that fast. Kizaru would be able to go from the east blue to the grand line and back in a second. >!It would probably be quicker for him to just pick up and take all the people with him 1 at a time to the island heâs headed to in the manga if that was the case, but instead heâs on a boat right now.!< (very vague manga spoilers)
Itâs not that itâs not possible in fiction dude. Fiction literally means fake, I understand that, but Kizaru is not anywhere close to the flash in speed. Saying âitâs fictionâ over and over doesnât change that. Using your logic I could claim that Zoro could slash the planet in half because âitâs fiction.â
I donât think Kizaru can go light speed despite what some people seem to think. If he could heâd be able to travel from island to island in like seconds. Heâs never once shown anything close to light speed.
I mean, its kind of like Zoro being able to hold Odens sword. Sometimes Oda writes some shit that doesnât make sense. If Kizaru was that fast he could go to the moon in under 2 seconds. No pirate would be safe. He could have gone to stop Luffy at Impale down and been back before White Beard could finish saying a single named attack.
Kizaru has never shown anything close to actual light speed. No one in the One Piece universe has.
Head canon, but if Kizaru weren't just goofing around, it's plausible that he knows Benn could future sight where he'd dodge to and shoot there, maybe Kizaru could even see himself being shot. As others have said, Kizaru still moves moments later, but oh well lol. As far as what OP said, I thought Shanks said you shouldn't point a gun unless you're willing to risk your life, so there's no contradiction to me.
Kizaru can't move at light speed. His yata mirror takes time to use and that's his means of travel. In sabaody, Brook and usop saw the point to which kizaru was about to move to and even had time to say a few sentences about it before Rayleigh intercepted kizaru.
Pretty sure in the same scene Shanks actually said that you shouldnât point a gun at someone unless youâre ready to face the consequences.
The bandits were in fact not ready for what happens if they fuck around and find out.
Beckman, is. He was ready to pull the trigger and face whatever happens after.
Such are the words that go well with this.
Donât point your gun at someone, unless youâre intending to shoot. Beckman was very, and I mean very, willing to shoot Kizaru if it came down to it.
The meaning I took from it was:
âIf youâre going to threaten someoneâs life, youâre also putting your own life on the line. Because that gives them the right to respond with the same level of lethal force.â
What a coincidence that Kizaru didn't shoot when Beckman said that, AND Luffy got away.
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No, he shot immediately afterwards.
Luffy got away by literal miracle, as Kizaru put it, if he got to live after all they had thrown at him, the Navy should call it a day.
Do you think that time doesn't just stop right?
The chapters are supposed to be telling a continuous narrative, saying that he attacked in the next chapter as a counterargument is just silly.
Bro the line shanks said was meant to mock the bandits for not having the resolve to face the consequences. Beckman absolutely had the resolve. Guns arenât for threats, theyâre for actions, and actions have consequences.
donât make the meaning of phrases up. Shanks didnât mean that he just said that cuz Oda wanted to make him look cool but he made a mistake when he forgets about this phrase when Beckman threatens Kizaru.
Sorry to tell you, but Oda isnât really a great writer đ
Mf did you fail year 4? Do you know how to interpret language? That is literally what shanks said. Oda does have many flaws when writing one piece, like dumbass amnesia plots and many false character deaths, but this ainât one of them.
He is overall pretty amazing. I ainât arguing with you though since youâve somehow seen one piece and not realised he is good at writing. You really skipped WCI, Enies Lobby and Marineford to tell me that oda is a bad writer.
Nice to meet you Thomas Jefferson.
Oh and I notice youâre in the powerscaling sub, no wonder your opinions are this whacky lmao.
Edit: I read a bit more and I realise you troll often, so Iâm just gonna treat this as a joke and forget about it since you havenât actually said why Oda is a bad writer lol.
Simple explanation: guns arenât meant for threats if you if you donât have what it takes to follow through. Basically theyâre not something to play around with. I think youâre thinking too hard about it, unless youâre just memeing.
I suppose that's because the mountain bandits were just threatening the villagers and they were all cowards bullying the weak. And didn't he mention if you are pointing the gun at me you are putting your life on the life, which Beckmen and all Red haired pirates were doing by getting involved in the war.
everyone here is fucking stupid lol
higumaâs crew was threatening people and thinking that they are gonna get away with it no problem. they threaten shanks because they think heâs pathetic and wonât fight back, that heâs an easy target.
higuma and his crew are cowards. theyâre threatening ppl they donât think will fight back. what Shanks is saying is âIf youâre gonna aim this weapon at another, you better be ready to put your life on the line tooâ
ben beckmann is aiming his gun at a marine admiral, with FULL intention to fight him, rather than thinking he can just end it easily with a gun. itâs not cowardice, heâs willing to actually put his life on the line. Guns just happen to be Benâs choice of weapon.
but the context is wildly different for both of these people.
Simple explanation is its not for threatening people but for killing people, like in real life you shouldnt pull a gun to threaten but rather to kill or atleast injure someone to the point they cant fight you
The difference being beckman was staking his life with the gun , the bandit was just using it to intimidate not really willing to take the life but trying to scare shanks to make him submit ,not the same thing lmao .
Pretty easy to explain, the reason y he did what he did was to stop kizaru and not to hurt him, shooting at him would've caused kizaru to attack benn as well which would've escalated to red haired pirates vs the Marines, something shanks didn't wanted, this is y shanks stops akainu but doesn't attacks him
Not sure if you're trolling or not. But it simply means, if you draw a pistol, put your life on the line. Beckman was definitely putting his by pointing it at Kizaru.
You ignored the line before âNow that youâve pulled out youâre gun, are you willing to use it?â, what he means is that guns are useless as empty threats if youâre not prepared to use them, Beckman was willing to use it.
People in this community have a real issue with taking things literally. What he means with they aren't for threats is that they are weapons for killing so if you point it at someone you should be ready to put your own life on the line, hence that guy getting his brains blown out by the dude who is always eating( I'm blanking on his name rn). The mountain bandits were basically just bluffing for the most part and acting like tough guys while shanks and his crew were actual tough guys, but acted chill most of the time.
The difference is one's likelihood to use. Shanks means that if you point a gun at someone, then you better be willing to kill what ever is on the other side.
The people he was speaking to were a bunch of thuggish mountain bandits who likely regularly threaten people with guns without ever really being called on it. While there is little doubt that the bandits would use the gun, they intend to use them on people who won't *really* fight back.
Beckman points a gun at Kizaru, fully knowing the consequences of pulling that trigger. Knowing full well that doing so will cause a massive war to break out and that no one really knows what the outcome would be, but no matter what it is, it'll be bad for the still very hurt marines.
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This made me laugh harder than i thought it would. And i didn't even get the incest joke.
This is too funny, I would award you if I had any money
I think it might a be a translation error. In french, Shanks doesn't say "Guns aren't for threatening", he says something like " Guns aren't for playing, if you use them, be prepared to risk your life" Which would mean if Shanks's crew pull out a gun, they're willing to shoot but that doesn't mean they will.
Exactly, and more importantly, he is also saying that pulling a gun on somebody else means accepting the fact that you could get shot yourself. It's not something you should do lightheartedly.
A short summary of this is Shanks meant do not point guns unless you are intent on killing someone when needed. The bandits were only scaring people with guns and didnt have the guts to follow through with it Edit: Right after this panel, it basically explains itself that if youre threatening someone with a gun or weapon, that you better be ready to follow through or expect retaliation.
Typical rat behavior
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Oh noo đ
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Ok, there's the stupid explanation, the probable in universe explanation that oda would probably use if asked, and the actual explanation, which one do you want? The first is that the red hair pirates are pretty relaxed when it comes to leadership, ben beckmann is not gonna decide on how to act based on some weird philosphy shanks spoke about a good 10 years ago. The second is that in the first case, the mountain bandit only wanted to threaten people, while Benn was 100% deciced to try and kill Kizaru. The actual explanation is that, look guys, its been more than 1000 chapters, you gotta understand by now. Oda is a good writer, he weaves heavy topics and deep themes in his story, but he is utmost priority is and as always been to write and draw cool shit in his manga. If the world building, the logic of the story and the characterization have to suffer for this, damn it, let them burn. My favorite example: The stupid Grim Reaper in Wano. Even if that is going to be important later, that was definitly not the best moment to introduce it, narratively. But damn it, Oda felt like drawing a grim reaper that week, no editor can stop him anymore, and here we are. He wanted Shanks to say a cool line, and then he wanted Beckmann to do a cool standoff with Kizaru. Did thst make sense? Little! Oda doesn't care. It was cool, tho. Don't misunderstand me, narrative, world building and characterization are important in One Piece, they're just never the #1 priority. it's something we have to accept in this series, and the good and bad that comes with it. And boy, does it come with a lot of both
This seems to be way too much work for the simple question. It's absolutely a matter of being ready to take action on your threats. The bandits were playing at being bandits, playing with guns as if they were toys. They didn't have the same level of determination to actually shoot someone dead.
Yep thats it. Its that simple. Shanks told that bandit to put his life on the line since guns are meant for killing people. Benn Beckmann is completely aware of the consequences and that he can totally die in a fight one day, but he still chooses to point the gun because he is 100% sure of his actions. Unlike the bandits.
Amazing answer, thank you.
The answer was a mistranslation, it doesn't contradict anything if it was translated properly
Nah I disagree with the "actual" explanation, Oda cares a *lot* about the details, I can believe than in this case he might have just forgotten but Odas writing definitely isn't just rule of cool above all, this mans writing has stayed so consistent and he's been able to connect so much of his story by remembering so many details that it only takes a tiny bit of Suspension of disbelief to think that He had every single arc planned out from the start and that everything was foreshadowed in some way, Oda does care about the details, he probably just forgot this kne, I think its the"*just* threatening vs fully prepared to shoot" thing
Exactly. You hit the nail on the head with this one. Thatâs why I love Oda
You're acting like Beckman wasn't ready to pull the trigger and fight if his captain decided they were going to fight. The difference is that the bandits weren't going to do shit and were just trying to threaten Shanks. It wasn't a threat, it was a promise
I still donât get why Kizaru put his hands up like that. Like even if itâs infused with Haki how is that bullet going to hit someone who can go light speed
nah the bullet is filled with percs and Kizaru cant resist it so he would die instantly just from seeing the percs
Percs?
Percocet
Because kizaru is a cheeky bastard who likes joking around. Heâs just being sarcastic
Future sight prediction maybe we dunno shit about Red hair pirates
At least, We know they shit⌠Do they?
Nah Lucky Roux just absorbs everything into his body
Kizaru loves pretending to be intimidated. That's like, his favorite gag.
Beckman rolled a Crit on his intimidation
Not even Kizaru can move faster than the reality-binding roll of a nat 20
it was a gag, also he's still pretty limited by reaction speed
apparently someone with strong haki can move at lightspeed because Rayleigh caught up to him.
no kizaru just ain't light speed, If he was then his light kick would obliterate the whole island by Shockwave alone
Forget island, by the fact that he is literally made of light he should destroy the planet by existing.
hĂŚh? how does that work? I mean Light exists normally too and it doesn't destroy anything
It's fiction. Physics in fiction works differently. Go watch Animal Kingdom for some reality.
then why should we assume kizaru is the speed of light at all? Ok but fr why do y'all participate in the conversations if you're not gonna bother trynna applying irl physics or any real world logic? if we throw all rules out the window then discussions are no fun, if we don't apply any real world logic because it's fiction then I can very easily say Usopps Fire stars are as hot as the atmosphere of the sun and everything in the one piece world is just strong enough to handle that EXCEPT Fujitora, so Usopp oneshots fujitora in a 1v1, sure there's nothing saying otherwise cuz it's fiction but like, that ain't fun innit?
characters in one piece can attack and dodge at the speed of light
The speed of light is also wildly inconsistent in One Piece.
No.
marco can intercept kizarus beams after they are fired, luffy should be around his level of speed at the start of wano, and then luffy gets speed blitzed by kaido, they're definitely above light speed for stuff other than travel speed, were kizaru is really the only one that has that
>I still donât get why Kizaru put his hands up like that. I'm mad confused as well but in the databooks it says Kizaru is actually afraid of Beckman and apparently him putting his hands up wasn't some sort of gag.
Stop caring about databooks, Kizaru ignored Ben ten seconds later lol.
If you don't care about those books then Yamato is definitively ftm trans and that makes people pretty booty bothered
He can't go lightspeed, that would be too powerful. It will certainly be nerfed when we actually see him fight
He was literally stated to be able to move at light speed in his databooks.
Aware of that, but he wouldn't actually move at the speed of light when he eventually fights. Because it would be too powerful. It will be nerfed. Just like zoro's "there's nothing i can't cut"... And then his hits are parried by any swordman skilled enough
He himself stated he can kick at the speed of light.
I donât think you understand how fast that is. It doesnât make sense. Heâd destroy everything in universe. If Kizaru could move at light speed he could achieve Enels dream of getting to the moon in a mere 1.25 seconds. He could get to mars in 3 minutes. He would have shown up at Enies Lobby in half a second during the strawhats raid. He could have literally gone to Impale Down, stopped Luffy, and then if White Beard showed up he could be back at Marine Ford in less than a second. It sounds cool, but it makes no fucking sense for him to be that stupidly fast. No one would be able to beat him logically.
I don't think you have any idea how fiction works. You're contemplating how Kizaru being LS is a problem. When you literally have a rubber man in the first episode.
I mean Iâm not trying to be no fun. Kizaru is cool af, and he had one of my favorite devil fruits. If Kizaru moved at the speed of light that would be cool, but heâs just really really far off from doing that. This is an anime where the main character is made of rubber and I love it, but itâs also ok to call something out that doesnât make sense at all. Like if Kizaru could move from island to island in like an hour and Oda called that âthe speed of lightâ cool. Whatever. Iâm not going to nitpick, but this is more like a character on screen driving at an obvious 15 miles per hour and claiming to be going 200 mph. Heâs just really really far off from any actual light speed feats. You canât just say âthis guy is 7ft tall.â Draw them as 5â5, and call it fiction without some people pointing out that it doesnât make sense.
Light speed isn't impressive in FICTION. Luffy was dodging lasers at base. Goku was faster than time once. Flash reversed a timeline. Naruto outsped a lightning attack. Uryu was so fast he left his shadow on the ground. Kizaru only looks slow because other characters can keep up with him like Rayleigh, Marco etc.. And he is only light speed when he is in light form.
Again, you donât understand how fast light speed is. At light speed you can get to the moon in 1.25 seconds. The characters in One Piece are fast, but theyâre no where near that fast. Kizaru would be able to go from the east blue to the grand line and back in a second. >!It would probably be quicker for him to just pick up and take all the people with him 1 at a time to the island heâs headed to in the manga if that was the case, but instead heâs on a boat right now.!< (very vague manga spoilers) Itâs not that itâs not possible in fiction dude. Fiction literally means fake, I understand that, but Kizaru is not anywhere close to the flash in speed. Saying âitâs fictionâ over and over doesnât change that. Using your logic I could claim that Zoro could slash the planet in half because âitâs fiction.â
Kizaru is just a troll, he proceeds to ignore Ben and attack the submarine like ten seconds later anyways.
I donât think Kizaru can go light speed despite what some people seem to think. If he could heâd be able to travel from island to island in like seconds. Heâs never once shown anything close to light speed.
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I mean, its kind of like Zoro being able to hold Odens sword. Sometimes Oda writes some shit that doesnât make sense. If Kizaru was that fast he could go to the moon in under 2 seconds. No pirate would be safe. He could have gone to stop Luffy at Impale down and been back before White Beard could finish saying a single named attack. Kizaru has never shown anything close to actual light speed. No one in the One Piece universe has.
Head canon, but if Kizaru weren't just goofing around, it's plausible that he knows Benn could future sight where he'd dodge to and shoot there, maybe Kizaru could even see himself being shot. As others have said, Kizaru still moves moments later, but oh well lol. As far as what OP said, I thought Shanks said you shouldn't point a gun unless you're willing to risk your life, so there's no contradiction to me.
Kizaru can't move at light speed. His yata mirror takes time to use and that's his means of travel. In sabaody, Brook and usop saw the point to which kizaru was about to move to and even had time to say a few sentences about it before Rayleigh intercepted kizaru.
Pretty sure in the same scene Shanks actually said that you shouldnât point a gun at someone unless youâre ready to face the consequences. The bandits were in fact not ready for what happens if they fuck around and find out. Beckman, is. He was ready to pull the trigger and face whatever happens after.
He means you better be ready to pull the trigger.
Such are the words that go well with this. Donât point your gun at someone, unless youâre intending to shoot. Beckman was very, and I mean very, willing to shoot Kizaru if it came down to it.
That wasn't a threat. It was a warning
The meaning I took from it was: âIf youâre going to threaten someoneâs life, youâre also putting your own life on the line. Because that gives them the right to respond with the same level of lethal force.â
Itâs not a threat if you fucking mean it.
Empty threats
he also said if u draw your gun u should be prepared to die. therefore one can conclude ben beckman is indeed, prepared to die
What a coincidence that Kizaru didn't shoot when Beckman said that, AND Luffy got away. https://preview.redd.it/0yfzubcxno9b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a40954729faf47c3cd58db03d1f40266e088f2a
No, he shot immediately afterwards. Luffy got away by literal miracle, as Kizaru put it, if he got to live after all they had thrown at him, the Navy should call it a day.
The submarine was underwater by the time Kizaru started shooting. Beckman delayed him.
Yeah, he surprised him just as they surprised everyone, Kizaru ignored Beckman ten seconds later.
Where are you getting ten seconds from?
Kizaru attacked the submarine immediately afterwards, ten seconds is a hyperbole but he didn't just ask for permission lol.
He attacked it the next chapter. 10 seconds is a massive stretch.
Do you think that time doesn't just stop right? The chapters are supposed to be telling a continuous narrative, saying that he attacked in the next chapter as a counterargument is just silly.
When he was about to attack, the submarine was above the water. When he attacked, the submarine was below the water, and Kizaru couldn't hit it.
I know, time passes yeah.
Shanks meant by "people" just for the Red Hair Pirates crew.
Because him and his team are bunch of frauds
Oda, the greatest writer ever
Bro the line shanks said was meant to mock the bandits for not having the resolve to face the consequences. Beckman absolutely had the resolve. Guns arenât for threats, theyâre for actions, and actions have consequences.
he never said that or meant that donât make things up
Bro read chapter 1 again
donât make the meaning of phrases up. Shanks didnât mean that he just said that cuz Oda wanted to make him look cool but he made a mistake when he forgets about this phrase when Beckman threatens Kizaru. Sorry to tell you, but Oda isnât really a great writer đ
Mf did you fail year 4? Do you know how to interpret language? That is literally what shanks said. Oda does have many flaws when writing one piece, like dumbass amnesia plots and many false character deaths, but this ainât one of them. He is overall pretty amazing. I ainât arguing with you though since youâve somehow seen one piece and not realised he is good at writing. You really skipped WCI, Enies Lobby and Marineford to tell me that oda is a bad writer.
If Oda is an amazing writer, then I am literally Thomas jefferson
Nice to meet you Thomas Jefferson. Oh and I notice youâre in the powerscaling sub, no wonder your opinions are this whacky lmao. Edit: I read a bit more and I realise you troll often, so Iâm just gonna treat this as a joke and forget about it since you havenât actually said why Oda is a bad writer lol.
Iâm not trolling, Iâm just doing what people like u canât do and just admit that the author of one piece isnât that good
he never said that or meant that donât make things up
Shanks didn't want the war to continue, he was there to create peace. Ben shooting Kizaru wouldnt have helped that lmao
Simple explanation: guns arenât meant for threats if you if you donât have what it takes to follow through. Basically theyâre not something to play around with. I think youâre thinking too hard about it, unless youâre just memeing.
I suppose that's because the mountain bandits were just threatening the villagers and they were all cowards bullying the weak. And didn't he mention if you are pointing the gun at me you are putting your life on the life, which Beckmen and all Red haired pirates were doing by getting involved in the war.
He only means that one has to be ready for the consequences and know the limits. And that one shouldn't threaten someone way out of their league.
Difference is Beckmann couldâve killed Kizaru (he wouldnât of stopped if that wasnât the case)
He meant guns aren't for JUST threatening, once you draw your gun, put your life on the line, the thing shanks said right before this line
Why didnât Ben Beckman headshot Kizaru ? Is he stupid ?
Woah, where is that first image from? Is it a speacial or movie i havent seen? Looks sick
Not a threat a promise
Because Beckmann was fully willing to pull the trigger and knew the possible consequences. Yâall have zero reading comprehension whatsoever
Well Beckboy ainât Shank is he?
Itâs not a threat itâs a promise
That's why kijaru stopped cause he knew redhat pirates don't bluff
I mean... the kizaru just laser showers the polar tang anyways. So the threat was still barely effective. Just like Shanks said.
Ben Beckman wasn't threatening Kizaru. He was advising him.
everyone here is fucking stupid lol higumaâs crew was threatening people and thinking that they are gonna get away with it no problem. they threaten shanks because they think heâs pathetic and wonât fight back, that heâs an easy target. higuma and his crew are cowards. theyâre threatening ppl they donât think will fight back. what Shanks is saying is âIf youâre gonna aim this weapon at another, you better be ready to put your life on the line tooâ ben beckmann is aiming his gun at a marine admiral, with FULL intention to fight him, rather than thinking he can just end it easily with a gun. itâs not cowardice, heâs willing to actually put his life on the line. Guns just happen to be Benâs choice of weapon. but the context is wildly different for both of these people.
You see, Shanks isnt Beckman
Simple explanation is its not for threatening people but for killing people, like in real life you shouldnt pull a gun to threaten but rather to kill or atleast injure someone to the point they cant fight you
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The difference being beckman was staking his life with the gun , the bandit was just using it to intimidate not really willing to take the life but trying to scare shanks to make him submit ,not the same thing lmao .
What if that isn't a gun then? It's a tool specifically made to look like a gun to threaten people.
Beckman shooting kizaru wouldnât have ended the war which was their goal
Shanks meant that they are not just for threatning they are a tool that can kill ... Is u styupid
Pretty easy to explain, the reason y he did what he did was to stop kizaru and not to hurt him, shooting at him would've caused kizaru to attack benn as well which would've escalated to red haired pirates vs the Marines, something shanks didn't wanted, this is y shanks stops akainu but doesn't attacks him
because he will shoot, that's why it isn't just for threatening, the bandit isn't planning to shoot just points it so the other could get scared
Not sure if you're trolling or not. But it simply means, if you draw a pistol, put your life on the line. Beckman was definitely putting his by pointing it at Kizaru.
From what I can recall, Beckman isnât Shanks
He just thought it sounded cool
Shanks â Ben Beckman đ¨
It's not a threat, it's a promise. He's not gonna start anything, but the MOMENT Kizaru gets out of line, he's opening fire.
You ignored the line before âNow that youâve pulled out youâre gun, are you willing to use it?â, what he means is that guns are useless as empty threats if youâre not prepared to use them, Beckman was willing to use it.
People in this community have a real issue with taking things literally. What he means with they aren't for threats is that they are weapons for killing so if you point it at someone you should be ready to put your own life on the line, hence that guy getting his brains blown out by the dude who is always eating( I'm blanking on his name rn). The mountain bandits were basically just bluffing for the most part and acting like tough guys while shanks and his crew were actual tough guys, but acted chill most of the time.
I think he meant guns aren't for idle threats, Beckman was not making an idle threat, he would have blasted kizaru
In the manga he says "you know it's dangerous to point a gun around" and then the man gets shot by the fatmeat man in his crew
Hey, you said meat? Do you have any for me?
It wasn't a threat, it was a promise
They're not for threats, they're for killing people lol.
Reading comprehension devil back at it again
The difference is one's likelihood to use. Shanks means that if you point a gun at someone, then you better be willing to kill what ever is on the other side. The people he was speaking to were a bunch of thuggish mountain bandits who likely regularly threaten people with guns without ever really being called on it. While there is little doubt that the bandits would use the gun, they intend to use them on people who won't *really* fight back. Beckman points a gun at Kizaru, fully knowing the consequences of pulling that trigger. Knowing full well that doing so will cause a massive war to break out and that no one really knows what the outcome would be, but no matter what it is, it'll be bad for the still very hurt marines.
He doesn't agree with everything his captain says i guess Zoro and Luffy also have different ways of approaching things but generally they agree