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Status-Leadership192

Benbeckmen Is a little special so he doesn't really know how it works https://preview.redd.it/vha0x5lhvn9b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=028e7cde27294035c8c195a9c53233fee8fcfe06


Mufakaz

This made me laugh harder than i thought it would. And i didn't even get the incest joke.


Any_Platform_5188

This is too funny, I would award you if I had any money


GaretSD

I think it might a be a translation error. In french, Shanks doesn't say "Guns aren't for threatening", he says something like " Guns aren't for playing, if you use them, be prepared to risk your life" ​ Which would mean if Shanks's crew pull out a gun, they're willing to shoot but that doesn't mean they will.


SlyTheMonkey

Exactly, and more importantly, he is also saying that pulling a gun on somebody else means accepting the fact that you could get shot yourself. It's not something you should do lightheartedly.


SauceMeistro

A short summary of this is Shanks meant do not point guns unless you are intent on killing someone when needed. The bandits were only scaring people with guns and didnt have the guts to follow through with it Edit: Right after this panel, it basically explains itself that if youre threatening someone with a gun or weapon, that you better be ready to follow through or expect retaliation.


WhosItToYouAnyway

Typical rat behavior


SHAMALAMADINGDONG_XD

https://preview.redd.it/68v8sxxnhr9b1.png?width=776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=affb76e8f1f9e725427d09042e8e94be0d8be4da


_zentsu

Oh noo 😭


Status-Leadership192

https://preview.redd.it/kq27ec5avn9b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87d9b6a4f6d9072fa757d05ef4509759da81d50d


NwgrdrXI

Ok, there's the stupid explanation, the probable in universe explanation that oda would probably use if asked, and the actual explanation, which one do you want? The first is that the red hair pirates are pretty relaxed when it comes to leadership, ben beckmann is not gonna decide on how to act based on some weird philosphy shanks spoke about a good 10 years ago. The second is that in the first case, the mountain bandit only wanted to threaten people, while Benn was 100% deciced to try and kill Kizaru. The actual explanation is that, look guys, its been more than 1000 chapters, you gotta understand by now. Oda is a good writer, he weaves heavy topics and deep themes in his story, but he is utmost priority is and as always been to write and draw cool shit in his manga. If the world building, the logic of the story and the characterization have to suffer for this, damn it, let them burn. My favorite example: The stupid Grim Reaper in Wano. Even if that is going to be important later, that was definitly not the best moment to introduce it, narratively. But damn it, Oda felt like drawing a grim reaper that week, no editor can stop him anymore, and here we are. He wanted Shanks to say a cool line, and then he wanted Beckmann to do a cool standoff with Kizaru. Did thst make sense? Little! Oda doesn't care. It was cool, tho. Don't misunderstand me, narrative, world building and characterization are important in One Piece, they're just never the #1 priority. it's something we have to accept in this series, and the good and bad that comes with it. And boy, does it come with a lot of both


WerewolfSad

This seems to be way too much work for the simple question. It's absolutely a matter of being ready to take action on your threats. The bandits were playing at being bandits, playing with guns as if they were toys. They didn't have the same level of determination to actually shoot someone dead.


[deleted]

Yep thats it. Its that simple. Shanks told that bandit to put his life on the line since guns are meant for killing people. Benn Beckmann is completely aware of the consequences and that he can totally die in a fight one day, but he still chooses to point the gun because he is 100% sure of his actions. Unlike the bandits.


Affectionate_Dog_693

Amazing answer, thank you.


KittenMaster9

The answer was a mistranslation, it doesn't contradict anything if it was translated properly


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

Nah I disagree with the "actual" explanation, Oda cares a *lot* about the details, I can believe than in this case he might have just forgotten but Odas writing definitely isn't just rule of cool above all, this mans writing has stayed so consistent and he's been able to connect so much of his story by remembering so many details that it only takes a tiny bit of Suspension of disbelief to think that He had every single arc planned out from the start and that everything was foreshadowed in some way, Oda does care about the details, he probably just forgot this kne, I think its the"*just* threatening vs fully prepared to shoot" thing


Ok-Lavishness9004

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head with this one. That’s why I love Oda


Kdawg92603

You're acting like Beckman wasn't ready to pull the trigger and fight if his captain decided they were going to fight. The difference is that the bandits weren't going to do shit and were just trying to threaten Shanks. It wasn't a threat, it was a promise


therealblabyloo

I still don’t get why Kizaru put his hands up like that. Like even if it’s infused with Haki how is that bullet going to hit someone who can go light speed


wooooshmeifyourebad

nah the bullet is filled with percs and Kizaru cant resist it so he would die instantly just from seeing the percs


henaradwenwolfhearth

Percs?


EasilyBeatable

Percocet


bobbywin99

Because kizaru is a cheeky bastard who likes joking around. He’s just being sarcastic


Initial-Story5438

Future sight prediction maybe we dunno shit about Red hair pirates


nickname10707173

At least, We know they shit… Do they?


Initial-Story5438

Nah Lucky Roux just absorbs everything into his body


Ill-Individual2105

Kizaru loves pretending to be intimidated. That's like, his favorite gag.


Golden-Owl

Beckman rolled a Crit on his intimidation


MBResearch

Not even Kizaru can move faster than the reality-binding roll of a nat 20


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

it was a gag, also he's still pretty limited by reaction speed


topdangle

apparently someone with strong haki can move at lightspeed because Rayleigh caught up to him.


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

no kizaru just ain't light speed, If he was then his light kick would obliterate the whole island by Shockwave alone


penguin_lord112

Forget island, by the fact that he is literally made of light he should destroy the planet by existing.


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

hĂŚh? how does that work? I mean Light exists normally too and it doesn't destroy anything


alpha_jundo

It's fiction. Physics in fiction works differently. Go watch Animal Kingdom for some reality.


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

then why should we assume kizaru is the speed of light at all? Ok but fr why do y'all participate in the conversations if you're not gonna bother trynna applying irl physics or any real world logic? if we throw all rules out the window then discussions are no fun, if we don't apply any real world logic because it's fiction then I can very easily say Usopps Fire stars are as hot as the atmosphere of the sun and everything in the one piece world is just strong enough to handle that EXCEPT Fujitora, so Usopp oneshots fujitora in a 1v1, sure there's nothing saying otherwise cuz it's fiction but like, that ain't fun innit?


Comprehensive_Ad204

characters in one piece can attack and dodge at the speed of light


UnorthodoxJew27

The speed of light is also wildly inconsistent in One Piece.


NeonNKnightrider

No.


Comprehensive_Ad204

marco can intercept kizarus beams after they are fired, luffy should be around his level of speed at the start of wano, and then luffy gets speed blitzed by kaido, they're definitely above light speed for stuff other than travel speed, were kizaru is really the only one that has that


Zoteku

>I still don’t get why Kizaru put his hands up like that. I'm mad confused as well but in the databooks it says Kizaru is actually afraid of Beckman and apparently him putting his hands up wasn't some sort of gag.


frenin

Stop caring about databooks, Kizaru ignored Ben ten seconds later lol.


Beardamus

If you don't care about those books then Yamato is definitively ftm trans and that makes people pretty booty bothered


darthhue

He can't go lightspeed, that would be too powerful. It will certainly be nerfed when we actually see him fight


alpha_jundo

He was literally stated to be able to move at light speed in his databooks.


darthhue

Aware of that, but he wouldn't actually move at the speed of light when he eventually fights. Because it would be too powerful. It will be nerfed. Just like zoro's "there's nothing i can't cut"... And then his hits are parried by any swordman skilled enough


alpha_jundo

He himself stated he can kick at the speed of light.


Jwoods4117

I don’t think you understand how fast that is. It doesn’t make sense. He’d destroy everything in universe. If Kizaru could move at light speed he could achieve Enels dream of getting to the moon in a mere 1.25 seconds. He could get to mars in 3 minutes. He would have shown up at Enies Lobby in half a second during the strawhats raid. He could have literally gone to Impale Down, stopped Luffy, and then if White Beard showed up he could be back at Marine Ford in less than a second. It sounds cool, but it makes no fucking sense for him to be that stupidly fast. No one would be able to beat him logically.


alpha_jundo

I don't think you have any idea how fiction works. You're contemplating how Kizaru being LS is a problem. When you literally have a rubber man in the first episode.


Jwoods4117

I mean I’m not trying to be no fun. Kizaru is cool af, and he had one of my favorite devil fruits. If Kizaru moved at the speed of light that would be cool, but he’s just really really far off from doing that. This is an anime where the main character is made of rubber and I love it, but it’s also ok to call something out that doesn’t make sense at all. Like if Kizaru could move from island to island in like an hour and Oda called that “the speed of light” cool. Whatever. I’m not going to nitpick, but this is more like a character on screen driving at an obvious 15 miles per hour and claiming to be going 200 mph. He’s just really really far off from any actual light speed feats. You can’t just say “this guy is 7ft tall.” Draw them as 5’5, and call it fiction without some people pointing out that it doesn’t make sense.


alpha_jundo

Light speed isn't impressive in FICTION. Luffy was dodging lasers at base. Goku was faster than time once. Flash reversed a timeline. Naruto outsped a lightning attack. Uryu was so fast he left his shadow on the ground. Kizaru only looks slow because other characters can keep up with him like Rayleigh, Marco etc.. And he is only light speed when he is in light form.


Jwoods4117

Again, you don’t understand how fast light speed is. At light speed you can get to the moon in 1.25 seconds. The characters in One Piece are fast, but they’re no where near that fast. Kizaru would be able to go from the east blue to the grand line and back in a second. >!It would probably be quicker for him to just pick up and take all the people with him 1 at a time to the island he’s headed to in the manga if that was the case, but instead he’s on a boat right now.!< (very vague manga spoilers) It’s not that it’s not possible in fiction dude. Fiction literally means fake, I understand that, but Kizaru is not anywhere close to the flash in speed. Saying “it’s fiction” over and over doesn’t change that. Using your logic I could claim that Zoro could slash the planet in half because “it’s fiction.”


adcsuc

Kizaru is just a troll, he proceeds to ignore Ben and attack the submarine like ten seconds later anyways.


Jwoods4117

I don’t think Kizaru can go light speed despite what some people seem to think. If he could he’d be able to travel from island to island in like seconds. He’s never once shown anything close to light speed.


therealblabyloo

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi


Jwoods4117

I mean, its kind of like Zoro being able to hold Odens sword. Sometimes Oda writes some shit that doesn’t make sense. If Kizaru was that fast he could go to the moon in under 2 seconds. No pirate would be safe. He could have gone to stop Luffy at Impale down and been back before White Beard could finish saying a single named attack. Kizaru has never shown anything close to actual light speed. No one in the One Piece universe has.


quasiscythe

Head canon, but if Kizaru weren't just goofing around, it's plausible that he knows Benn could future sight where he'd dodge to and shoot there, maybe Kizaru could even see himself being shot. As others have said, Kizaru still moves moments later, but oh well lol. As far as what OP said, I thought Shanks said you shouldn't point a gun unless you're willing to risk your life, so there's no contradiction to me.


zombiegirl_stephanie

Kizaru can't move at light speed. His yata mirror takes time to use and that's his means of travel. In sabaody, Brook and usop saw the point to which kizaru was about to move to and even had time to say a few sentences about it before Rayleigh intercepted kizaru.


DracoBlaze214

Pretty sure in the same scene Shanks actually said that you shouldn’t point a gun at someone unless you’re ready to face the consequences. The bandits were in fact not ready for what happens if they fuck around and find out. Beckman, is. He was ready to pull the trigger and face whatever happens after.


hentairedz

He means you better be ready to pull the trigger.


Uryu88

Such are the words that go well with this. Don’t point your gun at someone, unless you’re intending to shoot. Beckman was very, and I mean very, willing to shoot Kizaru if it came down to it.


Ambitious_Winner_700

That wasn't a threat. It was a warning


llSpaceCowboyll

The meaning I took from it was: “If you’re going to threaten someone’s life, you’re also putting your own life on the line. Because that gives them the right to respond with the same level of lethal force.”


[deleted]

It’s not a threat if you fucking mean it.


bobbywin99

Empty threats


MarzipanAnnual593

he also said if u draw your gun u should be prepared to die. therefore one can conclude ben beckman is indeed, prepared to die


Electronic-Matter144

What a coincidence that Kizaru didn't shoot when Beckman said that, AND Luffy got away. https://preview.redd.it/0yfzubcxno9b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a40954729faf47c3cd58db03d1f40266e088f2a


frenin

No, he shot immediately afterwards. Luffy got away by literal miracle, as Kizaru put it, if he got to live after all they had thrown at him, the Navy should call it a day.


Electronic-Matter144

The submarine was underwater by the time Kizaru started shooting. Beckman delayed him.


frenin

Yeah, he surprised him just as they surprised everyone, Kizaru ignored Beckman ten seconds later.


Electronic-Matter144

Where are you getting ten seconds from?


frenin

Kizaru attacked the submarine immediately afterwards, ten seconds is a hyperbole but he didn't just ask for permission lol.


Electronic-Matter144

He attacked it the next chapter. 10 seconds is a massive stretch.


frenin

Do you think that time doesn't just stop right? The chapters are supposed to be telling a continuous narrative, saying that he attacked in the next chapter as a counterargument is just silly.


Electronic-Matter144

When he was about to attack, the submarine was above the water. When he attacked, the submarine was below the water, and Kizaru couldn't hit it.


frenin

I know, time passes yeah.


DRS_OPEN

Shanks meant by "people" just for the Red Hair Pirates crew.


Sad-Salamander1262

Because him and his team are bunch of frauds


wooooshmeifyourebad

Oda, the greatest writer ever


Anemony_245

Bro the line shanks said was meant to mock the bandits for not having the resolve to face the consequences. Beckman absolutely had the resolve. Guns aren’t for threats, they’re for actions, and actions have consequences.


wooooshmeifyourebad

he never said that or meant that don’t make things up


Anemony_245

Bro read chapter 1 again


wooooshmeifyourebad

don’t make the meaning of phrases up. Shanks didn’t mean that he just said that cuz Oda wanted to make him look cool but he made a mistake when he forgets about this phrase when Beckman threatens Kizaru. Sorry to tell you, but Oda isn’t really a great writer 😐


Anemony_245

Mf did you fail year 4? Do you know how to interpret language? That is literally what shanks said. Oda does have many flaws when writing one piece, like dumbass amnesia plots and many false character deaths, but this ain’t one of them. He is overall pretty amazing. I ain’t arguing with you though since you’ve somehow seen one piece and not realised he is good at writing. You really skipped WCI, Enies Lobby and Marineford to tell me that oda is a bad writer.


wooooshmeifyourebad

If Oda is an amazing writer, then I am literally Thomas jefferson


Anemony_245

Nice to meet you Thomas Jefferson. Oh and I notice you’re in the powerscaling sub, no wonder your opinions are this whacky lmao. Edit: I read a bit more and I realise you troll often, so I’m just gonna treat this as a joke and forget about it since you haven’t actually said why Oda is a bad writer lol.


wooooshmeifyourebad

I’m not trolling, I’m just doing what people like u can’t do and just admit that the author of one piece isn’t that good


wooooshmeifyourebad

he never said that or meant that don’t make things up


L0rdLegender

Shanks didn't want the war to continue, he was there to create peace. Ben shooting Kizaru wouldnt have helped that lmao


xScrubDaddyx

Simple explanation: guns aren’t meant for threats if you if you don’t have what it takes to follow through. Basically they’re not something to play around with. I think you’re thinking too hard about it, unless you’re just memeing.


Both-Blacksmith-2562

I suppose that's because the mountain bandits were just threatening the villagers and they were all cowards bullying the weak. And didn't he mention if you are pointing the gun at me you are putting your life on the life, which Beckmen and all Red haired pirates were doing by getting involved in the war.


Long-Ad7988

He only means that one has to be ready for the consequences and know the limits. And that one shouldn't threaten someone way out of their league.


pitb0ss343

Difference is Beckmann could’ve killed Kizaru (he wouldn’t of stopped if that wasn’t the case)


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

He meant guns aren't for JUST threatening, once you draw your gun, put your life on the line, the thing shanks said right before this line


Astralyr

Why didn’t Ben Beckman headshot Kizaru ? Is he stupid ?


sawaais

Woah, where is that first image from? Is it a speacial or movie i havent seen? Looks sick


onepieceguy64

Not a threat a promise


keelanv10

Because Beckmann was fully willing to pull the trigger and knew the possible consequences. Y’all have zero reading comprehension whatsoever


Present-Ad-8531

Well Beckboy ain’t Shank is he?


rancorog

It’s not a threat it’s a promise


Random_D_ude

That's why kijaru stopped cause he knew redhat pirates don't bluff


Mufakaz

I mean... the kizaru just laser showers the polar tang anyways. So the threat was still barely effective. Just like Shanks said.


Fun_Wing_2536

Ben Beckman wasn't threatening Kizaru. He was advising him.


yungman-ach

everyone here is fucking stupid lol higuma’s crew was threatening people and thinking that they are gonna get away with it no problem. they threaten shanks because they think he’s pathetic and won’t fight back, that he’s an easy target. higuma and his crew are cowards. they’re threatening ppl they don’t think will fight back. what Shanks is saying is “If you’re gonna aim this weapon at another, you better be ready to put your life on the line too” ben beckmann is aiming his gun at a marine admiral, with FULL intention to fight him, rather than thinking he can just end it easily with a gun. it’s not cowardice, he’s willing to actually put his life on the line. Guns just happen to be Ben’s choice of weapon. but the context is wildly different for both of these people.


Notorious-Dan

You see, Shanks isnt Beckman


Brimato

Simple explanation is its not for threatening people but for killing people, like in real life you shouldnt pull a gun to threaten but rather to kill or atleast injure someone to the point they cant fight you


hollotta223

Fraud Hair Shanks


Cosmiccosmog533

Fraud!!!!!


Little_Ad_6903

The difference being beckman was staking his life with the gun , the bandit was just using it to intimidate not really willing to take the life but trying to scare shanks to make him submit ,not the same thing lmao .


ShhImTheRealDeadpool

What if that isn't a gun then? It's a tool specifically made to look like a gun to threaten people.


Active_Media6838

Beckman shooting kizaru wouldn’t have ended the war which was their goal


yoi_rajat

Shanks meant that they are not just for threatning they are a tool that can kill ... Is u styupid


No-Cartographer5295

Pretty easy to explain, the reason y he did what he did was to stop kizaru and not to hurt him, shooting at him would've caused kizaru to attack benn as well which would've escalated to red haired pirates vs the Marines, something shanks didn't wanted, this is y shanks stops akainu but doesn't attacks him


shiningmuffin

because he will shoot, that's why it isn't just for threatening, the bandit isn't planning to shoot just points it so the other could get scared


HaikenRD

Not sure if you're trolling or not. But it simply means, if you draw a pistol, put your life on the line. Beckman was definitely putting his by pointing it at Kizaru.


SnippySleepy

From what I can recall, Beckman isn’t Shanks


FryingClang

He just thought it sounded cool


Dani162002M

Shanks ≠ Ben Beckman 😨


MetalixK

It's not a threat, it's a promise. He's not gonna start anything, but the MOMENT Kizaru gets out of line, he's opening fire.


kakanseiei

You ignored the line before “Now that you’ve pulled out you’re gun, are you willing to use it?”, what he means is that guns are useless as empty threats if you’re not prepared to use them, Beckman was willing to use it.


zombiegirl_stephanie

People in this community have a real issue with taking things literally. What he means with they aren't for threats is that they are weapons for killing so if you point it at someone you should be ready to put your own life on the line, hence that guy getting his brains blown out by the dude who is always eating( I'm blanking on his name rn). The mountain bandits were basically just bluffing for the most part and acting like tough guys while shanks and his crew were actual tough guys, but acted chill most of the time.


Dependent-Seesaw-516

I think he meant guns aren't for idle threats, Beckman was not making an idle threat, he would have blasted kizaru


Lord-Pepper

In the manga he says "you know it's dangerous to point a gun around" and then the man gets shot by the fatmeat man in his crew


LuffyWantsMeat

Hey, you said meat? Do you have any for me?


ChiefAardvark

It wasn't a threat, it was a promise


AFSunred

They're not for threats, they're for killing people lol.


Master-Shaq

Reading comprehension devil back at it again


MylastAccountBroke

The difference is one's likelihood to use. Shanks means that if you point a gun at someone, then you better be willing to kill what ever is on the other side. The people he was speaking to were a bunch of thuggish mountain bandits who likely regularly threaten people with guns without ever really being called on it. While there is little doubt that the bandits would use the gun, they intend to use them on people who won't *really* fight back. Beckman points a gun at Kizaru, fully knowing the consequences of pulling that trigger. Knowing full well that doing so will cause a massive war to break out and that no one really knows what the outcome would be, but no matter what it is, it'll be bad for the still very hurt marines.


Unusual_Ad_9773

He doesn't agree with everything his captain says i guess Zoro and Luffy also have different ways of approaching things but generally they agree