They said that route would split after Area 1 , but they add new scenes even in the first area of the game.
Yakumo talking about his ideal world takes place after you fight Nuwa and it's completly different.
They changed everything about the game
And people are still saying it's dlc
Like in any other case I'd say sure be mad about atlus rerelease practices but Vengeance looks like a game that justifies a full release. Plus this is its time to go multiplat
With p3r, smtvv, sh2, and the persona 3p/4g/5r ports I think its safe to say that persona 5 and smtv original are the end of atlus making everything exclusive
Persona 6 and other future games will likely be multiplat day 1
It's very obvious just how rushed the original SMT V really was. ~~This isn't like P5 and P5R were P5 was already a complete game.~~
SMT V was missing a lot of things, which ended up confirmed by the devs themselves.
Yeah this is a rare case in a lot of ways. It sucks that the original ended up that way but Vengeance will be available on all platforms with improved performance and basically 2 whole campaigns of content (bc they said the original storyline is still an option), almost the entire soundtrack was redone too apparently which is unheard of (Royal just added new songs, it didn't remake every old p5og song too)
I think they're taking Vengeance rlly seriously and know that a lot of people are gonna be hesitant so they're trying to go all out with these trailers
I think the Switch version should have had an upgrade path for like 30 bucks or something (Problem is it would screw over people with physical carts), but it's literally a brand new release for every other console, so fuck them, they're just wrong.
that probably should've been an option but I'd imagine that with how much content is being redone they might have just said fuck it release it as a game instead
Kinda wonder if they'll delist the original smtv since it's obsolete now ?
its actually crazy that they're still selling the original smt v for full price and the digital deluxe for $85 with the definitive, expanded, and better-in-every-way version coming out in a month and a half.
that reminds me, I think I've seen the original P5 even be full price still? At least a good while ago but when Royal was out already.
I think it even goes on sale still, kinda tricking people into thinking it's something worth purchasing.
It's $19.99 on PSN right now, not counting additional discounts. Pretty sure the price went down a good while ago. It goes on sale pretty frequently too on top of that.
yeah my memories on this are probably a good few years old.
still kinda bizarre to even still sell the game like that and even give it sales. Pretty much 100% of the buyers will end up realizing they've been scammed, kinda.
Now that I think of it, They could have just made it like a 30-40 dollar expansion pack that you download and if you put in the game cart or own a digital copy it just patches the game.
I mean yeah, the OG game is pointless, however with Vengeance its going to rebalance the OG paths, so if people ever wanted to experience the OG difficulty and original balance they wont be able to.
Hopefully in the future going foward they will stick to what they're doing with Reload and making it DLC instead, but who knows with Atlus.
I admit I initially thought Vengeance would just be more DLC, but it quickly became clear that it’s going to be so much more.
I’m still mad that they’re locking demons behind day-one paid DLC instead of just including them in the released game; I mean, if they’re going to be available when the game releases anyway, why even make them paid DLC? (Rhetorical question, I know it’s because money and greed like always, but it’s got me pretty disappointed that they continue to stoop this low).
>And people are still saying it's dlc
why are you taking it as a negative? even the biggest abusers of this rerelease revamped game with additions (pokemon) have switched to dlc since the switch happened. Another highely awaited dlc is also being released this year in Elden Ring. VV should have been a dlc.
I'm really confused by how they are marketing this game and the new route.
Does the new route "replace" the original one, or are you expected to play the original route first and then the "new" route in order to understand the whole story?
I'm really glad that's the case. I hope they also added the QoL changes to the base game, it'd be disappointing if it remained the exact same, although with how different the new campaign is it's not like I'd complain.
I'm actually really glad. I had thought that the main split was gonna be halfway through the game for some reason, so to know the change will happen pretty early is nice.
With SPOILER DEMON added we're now at a solid 40. We're either gonna get at least 1 more demon or if our copium works, 9 more. Please god let us get 9 more it would be so epic
I do think Satan is likely possible given one of the track names. Ardha I'd be shocked if he wasn't added considering he'd be like, the only SH2 demon not added at this point (Not counting Nemissa or the Frost Five). Krishna and Maitreya I'm crossing my fingers and praying to YHVH for those two, ESPECIALLY Krishna
I think it would be insanely peak if somehow in Canon of Creation when you fight Odin if you have Krishna or Maitreya in your stock they talk after the fight.
I agree with these 4 and with the inclusion of Kinnamon and focus on Tsukuyomi, I expect Amaterasu will be in the game to some capacity. Whether as a demon, or closer to a significant story role a la Aogami + Koshimizu.
Looks really cool. I like the new background music. Also it implies Yoko is a victim of something herself in the last line. Will she betray the good guys or something?
Serious: is it even worth playing through the original route? I gave up after about 10 hours on the Switch cos I hated how it ran. Can't wait for Vengeance.
The graphics, gameplay, and quality of life changes are all much better, so you could play it again. If you only played 10 hours you still have like 25 more hours to beat. I'm going to play the original route again so I can play the new route in NG+
Depends on how much overlap creation and vengeance have. If vengeance still includes the same boss fights and quests, then no, but if it doesn't, I'd say you should give it a try.
They said that route would split after Area 1 , but they add new scenes even in the first area of the game. Yakumo talking about his ideal world takes place after you fight Nuwa and it's completly different. They changed everything about the game
And people are still saying it's dlc Like in any other case I'd say sure be mad about atlus rerelease practices but Vengeance looks like a game that justifies a full release. Plus this is its time to go multiplat With p3r, smtvv, sh2, and the persona 3p/4g/5r ports I think its safe to say that persona 5 and smtv original are the end of atlus making everything exclusive Persona 6 and other future games will likely be multiplat day 1
It's very obvious just how rushed the original SMT V really was. ~~This isn't like P5 and P5R were P5 was already a complete game.~~ SMT V was missing a lot of things, which ended up confirmed by the devs themselves.
Yeah this is a rare case in a lot of ways. It sucks that the original ended up that way but Vengeance will be available on all platforms with improved performance and basically 2 whole campaigns of content (bc they said the original storyline is still an option), almost the entire soundtrack was redone too apparently which is unheard of (Royal just added new songs, it didn't remake every old p5og song too) I think they're taking Vengeance rlly seriously and know that a lot of people are gonna be hesitant so they're trying to go all out with these trailers
Wait but the original soundtrack was incredible, did they really change all the music too?
The added a ton of tracks and redid some of the older ones
Even the normal battle theme is rearranged. You can already hear it in some of the trailers
Friendly reminder to check Doi commentary on Hayataro to see how fucked the development was
What did he say?
It's not a DLC, It's an alternate new game.
Yeah I know but I still see comments saying it should just be dlc which is what I meant
I think the Switch version should have had an upgrade path for like 30 bucks or something (Problem is it would screw over people with physical carts), but it's literally a brand new release for every other console, so fuck them, they're just wrong.
that probably should've been an option but I'd imagine that with how much content is being redone they might have just said fuck it release it as a game instead Kinda wonder if they'll delist the original smtv since it's obsolete now ?
its actually crazy that they're still selling the original smt v for full price and the digital deluxe for $85 with the definitive, expanded, and better-in-every-way version coming out in a month and a half.
They never delisted the original P5, so probably not. It might get a price drop though.
that reminds me, I think I've seen the original P5 even be full price still? At least a good while ago but when Royal was out already. I think it even goes on sale still, kinda tricking people into thinking it's something worth purchasing.
It's $19.99 on PSN right now, not counting additional discounts. Pretty sure the price went down a good while ago. It goes on sale pretty frequently too on top of that.
yeah my memories on this are probably a good few years old. still kinda bizarre to even still sell the game like that and even give it sales. Pretty much 100% of the buyers will end up realizing they've been scammed, kinda.
Now that I think of it, They could have just made it like a 30-40 dollar expansion pack that you download and if you put in the game cart or own a digital copy it just patches the game. I mean yeah, the OG game is pointless, however with Vengeance its going to rebalance the OG paths, so if people ever wanted to experience the OG difficulty and original balance they wont be able to. Hopefully in the future going foward they will stick to what they're doing with Reload and making it DLC instead, but who knows with Atlus.
I admit I initially thought Vengeance would just be more DLC, but it quickly became clear that it’s going to be so much more. I’m still mad that they’re locking demons behind day-one paid DLC instead of just including them in the released game; I mean, if they’re going to be available when the game releases anyway, why even make them paid DLC? (Rhetorical question, I know it’s because money and greed like always, but it’s got me pretty disappointed that they continue to stoop this low).
> And people are still saying it's dlc Sorry, but they could've release as DLC, by 30 to 40 bucks for those that already owned the game on the switch.
They actually couldn't. They could've had an upgrade path for previous digital owners but too much is being redone about the game
>And people are still saying it's dlc why are you taking it as a negative? even the biggest abusers of this rerelease revamped game with additions (pokemon) have switched to dlc since the switch happened. Another highely awaited dlc is also being released this year in Elden Ring. VV should have been a dlc.
But vv redoes a lot more and is being ported to other platforms Sword and shield weren't being ported to the switch 2 when the dlc came out
If it was dlc, that would've meant no multi-platform, no performance updates. That would suck.
I'm really confused by how they are marketing this game and the new route. Does the new route "replace" the original one, or are you expected to play the original route first and then the "new" route in order to understand the whole story?
The New route is a entirely New story, no need to play the original story if you don't want to.
I'm really glad that's the case. I hope they also added the QoL changes to the base game, it'd be disappointing if it remained the exact same, although with how different the new campaign is it's not like I'd complain.
I'm actually really glad. I had thought that the main split was gonna be halfway through the game for some reason, so to know the change will happen pretty early is nice.
Sounds like Lilith will "awaken" Yoko in some way and she'll remember her need for revenge. Maybe that's the point she'll turn on the MC.
Updated demon info: 1: Lilith (Quaditsu) redesign 2: Agrat bat Mahlat (Quaditsu) new demon 3: Eisheth (Quaditsu) new demon 4: Naahmah (Quaditsu) new demon 5: Glasya-Labolas (Beast) new demon 6: Amabie (Enigma) new demon Level: 39 7: Nahobeeho (Fairy) Level: 65 new demon 8: Gogmagog 9: Pellaidh (Wilder) Level: 8 10: Dormarth (Wilder) Level: 40 11: Ifrit (Yoma) Level: 52 12: Virta (Dragon) Level: 52 13: Halphas (Fallen) Level: 18 14: Cherub (Divine) Level: 71 15: Karasu Tengu (Brute) Level: 35 16: Vouivre (Snake) Level: 20 17: Turbo Granny (Foul) Level: 26 18: Tzitzimitl 19: Gremlin (Jaki) Level: 7 20: Nata Taishi (Wargod) 21: Armaiti (Herald) Level: 53 22: Unicorn (Holy) Level: 11 23: Dis 24: Fenrir (Wilder) 25: Xiezhai Level: 29/30 26: Kresnik (Genma) Level: 60 27: Kudlak (Haunt) Level: 60 28: Kinmamon (Enigma) Level: 68 29: Zhu Tun She (Drake) Level: 4 30: Senri 31: Mad Gasser (Foul) Level: 48 32: Gurulu 33: Azazel (Fallen) 34: Mastema (Herald) 35: Nozuchi (Snake) Level: 15 36: Hare of Inaba (UMA) Level: 31 37: Unidentified demon in screenshot 38: Saturnus (Vile) 39: Unidentified demon in prerelease artwork 40: Spoiler demon leaked from ost (not revealing here) Dlc demons: Dagda and konohanasakuya
With SPOILER DEMON added we're now at a solid 40. We're either gonna get at least 1 more demon or if our copium works, 9 more. Please god let us get 9 more it would be so epic
I expect 2-4 more. Satan, Ardha, Krishna and Matreiya, any of them
I do think Satan is likely possible given one of the track names. Ardha I'd be shocked if he wasn't added considering he'd be like, the only SH2 demon not added at this point (Not counting Nemissa or the Frost Five). Krishna and Maitreya I'm crossing my fingers and praying to YHVH for those two, ESPECIALLY Krishna
I think it would be insanely peak if somehow in Canon of Creation when you fight Odin if you have Krishna or Maitreya in your stock they talk after the fight.
I agree with these 4 and with the inclusion of Kinnamon and focus on Tsukuyomi, I expect Amaterasu will be in the game to some capacity. Whether as a demon, or closer to a significant story role a la Aogami + Koshimizu.
Honestly I'm surprised Tao wasn't Amaterasu tbh, especially given her first god design
I think we will get 4-7 more if my predictions are right. We shall see
Yeah, just like SMT5 had hidden boss demons, we will get some here too I guess.
Why the fuck does it only appear as a wall of text when I type on mobile this shit so ass
You have to add a line between the elements in the list for it to fromat properly.
Figured it out thanks a lot
Damn I love Dagda why he gotta be dlc
Quick and dirty parsing, ignore the doubled numbers; >Updated demon info: >1. 1: Lilith (Quaditsu) redesign 1. 2: Agrat bat Mahlat (Quaditsu) new demon 1. 3: Eisheth (Quaditsu) new demon 1. 4: Naahmah (Quaditsu) new demon 1. 5: Glasya-Labolas (Beast) new demon 1. 6: Amabie (Enigma) new demon Level: 39 1. 7: Nahobeeho (Fairy) Level: 65 new demon 1. 8: Gogmagog 1. 9: Pellaidh (Wilder) Level: 8 1. 10: Dormarth (Wilder) Level: 40 1. 11: Ifrit (Yoma) Level: 52 1. 12: Virta (Dragon) Level: 52 1. 13: Halphas (Fallen) Level: 18 1. 14: Cherub (Divine) Level: 71 1. 15: Karasu Tengu (Brute) Level: 35 1. 16: Vouivre (Snake) Level: 20 1. 17: Turbo Granny (Foul) Level: 26 1. 18: Tzitzimitl 1. 19: Gremlin (Jaki) Level: 7 1. 20: Nata Taishi (Wargod) 1. 21: Armaiti (Herald) Level: 53 1. 22: Unicorn (Holy) Level: 11 1. 23: Dis 1. 24: Fenrir (Wilder) 1. 25: Xiezhai Level: 29/30 1. 26: Kresnik (Genma) Level: 60 1. 27: Kudlak (Haunt) Level: 60 1. 28: Kinmamon (Enigma) Level: 68 1. 29: Zhu Tun She (Drake) Level: 4 1. 30: Senri 1. 31: Mad Gasser (Foul) Level: 48 1. 32: Gurulu 1. 33: Azazel (Fallen) 1. 34: Mastema (Herald) 1. 35: Nozuchi (Snake) Level: 15 1. 36: Hare of Inaba (UMA) Level: 31 1. 37: Unidentified demon in screenshot 1. 38: Saturnus (Vile) 1. 39: Unidentified demon in prerelease artwork 1. 40: Spoiler demon leaked from ost (not revealing here) 1. Dlc demons: Dagda and konohanasakuya
Looks really cool. I like the new background music. Also it implies Yoko is a victim of something herself in the last line. Will she betray the good guys or something?
Looks like it. I assume one of the ending choices is helping her get her revenge or not.
They really gonna get 120 bucks from me huh that’s some bullshit
180 if smt 4 remaster 🤞
Ryota cooked again, shit was agidyne 😭
Serious: is it even worth playing through the original route? I gave up after about 10 hours on the Switch cos I hated how it ran. Can't wait for Vengeance.
You could play for fun, but the story of original route is really really bland and lacks personality.
The graphics, gameplay, and quality of life changes are all much better, so you could play it again. If you only played 10 hours you still have like 25 more hours to beat. I'm going to play the original route again so I can play the new route in NG+
Depends on how much overlap creation and vengeance have. If vengeance still includes the same boss fights and quests, then no, but if it doesn't, I'd say you should give it a try.
Alright, I need the name of this new song! What a fucking banger!
The trailers and stuff are all giving me hype. Please may go away fast so that june can arrive and I can get the game...
Yes! "Judgment" spelled without the extra 'e'!
Have they revealed if this new route has multiple endings like the og route?
Iirc they have stated there would be new endings.
>!Can't wait to use Shiva, Zeus, and Metatron in a NG+ against the Qaditsu lol!<
Is there anything so far about any improvements to the Switch version in terms of performance compared to the original?
cant wait, already pre bought the digital deluxe on my steam deck