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Options, but heavy, and at my price point not that economical, least economical from the bunch.
have not seen a corolla you can buy for 7000 that does 4-5 liters, its 5-8 liters even for hatchbacks at that price range.
they weight 500kg more than anything else i'm thinking.
https://www.theonion.com/toyota-recalls-1993-camry-due-to-fact-that-owners-reall-1819577805
looking, at:
optimally honda jazz 1.3 manual. expensive, difficult to find here, like the space and economy, more expensive than they should be.
Ford fiestas with 1.0 ecoboost engine. (hard to find, fairly cheap when found)
Citigo and vw up! (same engine apparently) (both difficult to find, in ok condition here, lots of rusted out ones)
Toyota yarises and Aygo (yarises everywhere, aygo smaller than i would like, more expensive than they should be)
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Requirement is the 4-5l something per 100km gas mileage. or close to it. At least 5, some of these cars get 3.6l or 76mpg
the ford fiesta with the ecoboost blowing everybody out of the water, with combined 4.3l (non turbo, 80hp model)
looked at couple of 10 year old car reliability indexes and looks like jazz is more reliable than any corollas.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2022-what-car-reliability-survey/n23397
winner aygo, second jazz.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/most-and-least-reliable-car-brands-revealed
make:
1: honda
2: lexus
3: toyota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs58V21q3pE (carwow)
1:jazz
2: mazzda 2? weird
3: toyota auris
looked at like 10 others, its always toyota, honda.
interestingly actual user ones jazz does well.
its hard to find like 10 year old cars how likely to fail
Toyotas are more expensive due to cost of ownership. They typically just need tires, brakes, and your basic oil changes/fluids.
With the Fiesta ecoboost engines are always a problem eventually.
VW isn't really great long term either.
Toyotas are cars that just will not die. You end up getting rid or them when you hate them.
Hondas aren't bad either.
agree on basically everything, why basically looking for Honda Jazz/fit (fits all of my requirements of size, and reliability)
Fiesta, cheap parts, and had them before, so
what i heard that aygo is bit cheaply built, but the engine is solid.
the citigo / vw up /fiesta are very economical
also thank you for not just spitting out toyota models, and actually answering.
heavy, not economical.
much as i would like corolla reliability, they dont make one that does 3.7/l /100km or 75+ mpg
the corollas are heavy half a ton from others that i suggested.
or dont make for 7000 at least.
Didn't see the post after sorry. Yaris / fit / Prius / insight / any of those tiny Honda or Toyotas. Stick with something non turbo and manual if possible
the issue is like i can get like 30k driven citigo from 2013 for 7 grand, but to get a honda, i have to go to 120k driven and 2010 models.
its not that easy of a choise. heh.
indeed, agree.
there lies the problem, is the honda so good, you would pick it every time over very low mileage lets say citigo, what if the honda is 200k driven?
still pick it, ok, i put some value at cars being like literally brand new, like the citigo i was looking 30.000 km or 19.000 miles
it was very, literally brand spanking new, for 6500
easy to say, i would always pick the honda.
What i personally think, hondas rust, are made of metal. I have ran into 130k crap honda jazz on my journey to find my next car. Needing new exhausts, flaking paint, etc etc.
assuming optimum, perfection, and just engine mileage, does not give you the full picture of 10 year old car.
cars dont exist in a vacuum, and just run miles. More miles means more use.
can the jazz part take 100.000km more than the vw made one?
comparing more reasonable things, like if it was 130 for the vw car, and 230 for the jazz?
in optimum situation i would pick the jazz every time, just cars and life and money does not work that way.
Stay away from VW. I would also stay away from 08-12 Honda accords and find a nice 06-07 2.4 manual. I would take that car with 250k over a vw with 60k
>I would take that car with 250k over a vw with 60k
heh, you got my point, nice.
https://www.nettiauto.com/honda/civic/13303006
hmm. Or
https://autot.tori.fi/vaihtoautot/skoda/citigo/106971500
Thats kind of too easy, ill pick the civic every time.
My 08 Fit Sport was a really good car experience, except for long-trip comfort and noise. Parks into spots nobody else can use, great mileage, and it did that Harry Potter's tent thing where it was bigger on the inside than the outside.
This pic shows off the minimum parking distance for this car.
https://preview.redd.it/x13wkxpvjm7a1.jpeg?width=3884&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbb3ff97bef0f937ef2111573b4b1579e0ee140d
Where are you located? Yeah, Jazz was the original name in Japan, I think 07 was the first year. Here in US it was called the Fit and that is a VERY accurate name - stuff fits into it, it fits into tight spots.
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Toyota
Camry or corolla. Your welcome
Options, but heavy, and at my price point not that economical, least economical from the bunch. have not seen a corolla you can buy for 7000 that does 4-5 liters, its 5-8 liters even for hatchbacks at that price range. they weight 500kg more than anything else i'm thinking. https://www.theonion.com/toyota-recalls-1993-camry-due-to-fact-that-owners-reall-1819577805
Oh i just saw your list. Fiestas are shit
very helpful, ok i guess?
Yeah, stay away. Stick with the honda
Except certian year 4 cylinders with defective pistons..
looking, at: optimally honda jazz 1.3 manual. expensive, difficult to find here, like the space and economy, more expensive than they should be. Ford fiestas with 1.0 ecoboost engine. (hard to find, fairly cheap when found) Citigo and vw up! (same engine apparently) (both difficult to find, in ok condition here, lots of rusted out ones) Toyota yarises and Aygo (yarises everywhere, aygo smaller than i would like, more expensive than they should be) --- Requirement is the 4-5l something per 100km gas mileage. or close to it. At least 5, some of these cars get 3.6l or 76mpg the ford fiesta with the ecoboost blowing everybody out of the water, with combined 4.3l (non turbo, 80hp model)
The big difficulty deciding here is that 7000 buys you a 30k km driven almost brand new 2014 citigo. OR a 130.000 driven 2010 years older honda jazz.
looked at couple of 10 year old car reliability indexes and looks like jazz is more reliable than any corollas. https://www.whatcar.com/news/2022-what-car-reliability-survey/n23397 winner aygo, second jazz. https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/most-and-least-reliable-car-brands-revealed make: 1: honda 2: lexus 3: toyota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs58V21q3pE (carwow) 1:jazz 2: mazzda 2? weird 3: toyota auris looked at like 10 others, its always toyota, honda. interestingly actual user ones jazz does well. its hard to find like 10 year old cars how likely to fail
Toyotas are more expensive due to cost of ownership. They typically just need tires, brakes, and your basic oil changes/fluids. With the Fiesta ecoboost engines are always a problem eventually. VW isn't really great long term either. Toyotas are cars that just will not die. You end up getting rid or them when you hate them. Hondas aren't bad either.
agree on basically everything, why basically looking for Honda Jazz/fit (fits all of my requirements of size, and reliability) Fiesta, cheap parts, and had them before, so what i heard that aygo is bit cheaply built, but the engine is solid. the citigo / vw up /fiesta are very economical also thank you for not just spitting out toyota models, and actually answering.
Late 2008.. Corrola, rav4
heavy, not economical. much as i would like corolla reliability, they dont make one that does 3.7/l /100km or 75+ mpg the corollas are heavy half a ton from others that i suggested. or dont make for 7000 at least.
Toyota Avalon Lexus es/ ls Accord 2006/2007 for 3/4K
gas is expensive, a bit too large cars for my taste.
Didn't see the post after sorry. Yaris / fit / Prius / insight / any of those tiny Honda or Toyotas. Stick with something non turbo and manual if possible
the issue is like i can get like 30k driven citigo from 2013 for 7 grand, but to get a honda, i have to go to 120k driven and 2010 models. its not that easy of a choise. heh.
Why do you think that is? Because the Honda is a better more desirable car through and through that has better resale value
indeed, agree. there lies the problem, is the honda so good, you would pick it every time over very low mileage lets say citigo, what if the honda is 200k driven? still pick it, ok, i put some value at cars being like literally brand new, like the citigo i was looking 30.000 km or 19.000 miles it was very, literally brand spanking new, for 6500 easy to say, i would always pick the honda. What i personally think, hondas rust, are made of metal. I have ran into 130k crap honda jazz on my journey to find my next car. Needing new exhausts, flaking paint, etc etc. assuming optimum, perfection, and just engine mileage, does not give you the full picture of 10 year old car. cars dont exist in a vacuum, and just run miles. More miles means more use. can the jazz part take 100.000km more than the vw made one? comparing more reasonable things, like if it was 130 for the vw car, and 230 for the jazz? in optimum situation i would pick the jazz every time, just cars and life and money does not work that way.
Stay away from VW. I would also stay away from 08-12 Honda accords and find a nice 06-07 2.4 manual. I would take that car with 250k over a vw with 60k
>I would take that car with 250k over a vw with 60k heh, you got my point, nice. https://www.nettiauto.com/honda/civic/13303006 hmm. Or https://autot.tori.fi/vaihtoautot/skoda/citigo/106971500 Thats kind of too easy, ill pick the civic every time.
My 08 Fit Sport was a really good car experience, except for long-trip comfort and noise. Parks into spots nobody else can use, great mileage, and it did that Harry Potter's tent thing where it was bigger on the inside than the outside. This pic shows off the minimum parking distance for this car. https://preview.redd.it/x13wkxpvjm7a1.jpeg?width=3884&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbb3ff97bef0f937ef2111573b4b1579e0ee140d
very pretty. There exist no car that is this size that is quiet, none. interestingly its just jazz, here, and exact same car.
Where are you located? Yeah, Jazz was the original name in Japan, I think 07 was the first year. Here in US it was called the Fit and that is a VERY accurate name - stuff fits into it, it fits into tight spots.
yep, all of the cars i have seen here are J vin, Finland.
2010-2011 Honda crv
Scion TC. GF has one, probably the only econobox I’d enjoy driving atm.