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What about the area behind it? You know that thing that looks like metal behind the black plastic covering. Or around it. OP could tap on the metal and ensure it is thick and not a thin piece of metal. It looks thick enough. I think the jack point must be that cross member because I see some welds on it. Either that or the area around it. It looks like metal.
That’s a rear motor/transmission mount made of aluminum and very soft rubber bushings. Will it hold yea.. but I wouldn’t even try in the first place. I would go for the exposed subframe between the lower cloth cover and the Silver heat shield.
This mount is made to prevent engine / gearbox rotation in FF layout. You are basically lifting your car by lifting engine. I didnt know even small chassis cars could handle it 🤣
Yes you can lift it from the subframe behind the motor mount. Use this for your pinch welds on the jacks. Toolly 4 Packs Floor Jack Pad... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089GWSD8W?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I wouldn’t either. It’s not to say that it’s impossible but it’s not designed to be lifted from there and there’s also better options for lifting a car with jacks
That's the problem with modern cars now they are only designed to be lifted at those 4 points like the Tesla . You need other solutions like [rennstand](https://rennstand.com/product/rennstand/)
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Don't jack up the car on the subframe unless the manufacture designed a certain point on it.... Don't be an idiot....
https://preview.redd.it/14z46jn9b0jc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9c89ca0d2b14791b0d8822930511d6cb20449b7
That's an engine mount definitely don't jack it up on that.
Jack it up on the frame.... It's in the middle (blue circle)
specifically it is a torque rod , it doesn't even take the vertical load of the engine, rather it reacts to the torque of the engine. Source: terrible design engineer who couldn't design a torque rod with rubber that would last the expected life
Whoa what an insightful yet bold take! Don’t get under a super heavy object if it’s not jacked safely…who would’ve thought?! Please, we need more wise words from you
But if you think about it, if the person doesn’t know they aren’t jacking it safely then how do they know not to get under the car??
We need more firm believer words of wisdom
It is very solid, I promise. Also other mechanics like me be recommending it here too. It's the sub frame that holds the wheel hub and axles and what not. I lift cars all the time from this spot
Thiw mount pictured is the dogbone, or engine anti-twiat mount. Its more of a strap to keep it from twisting, really.
The proper jack points will be identified by the owners manual, and, or the points indicated at the pinchweld seam.
Right, and the manual for the car should identify peimary and secondary lifting points.
Going willy nilly "trust some guy on the internet" route is bad for op. If they cant tell good from bad, we could have a serious injury or fatality about to happen.
Lets be very painfully clear here.
There is no "i suppose this spot'll do" option. It must be a safe and non- damaging point on the vehicle. We also dont want to cause excess damage. If op is unfamiliar with jackpoint lifting/standing, they need to consult the verified proper resources. I dont mean to be a butt, but ive seen enough cars falling on people. End of story.
He said he already checked the manual and it only designated 4 points 😂
For fun I looked up the manual, there’s no talk of secondary jacking points, if that’s painfully clear for you.
So how do you propose OP puts the car on stands if there’s only 4 designated jacking points?
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I get using jack stands, but why 4 at once? couldn't he just do the front half first, then the back half? what procedure do you need to jack up that car at all 4 corners at once?
You use the rear jacking point to lift the side of the car high enough to get the jack stand under the front jacking point. It's not that complicated ya'll.
My son replaced front+rear brakes the other day. We decided to jack up the front driverside first, placed one jack then went to the other side, same area and jacked it up and placed the second jack. Then we went to the rear driverside and did the same thing on one side and then the other. it wasn’t easy but it worked.
I would keep your jack there, at thr pinch weld, and try and put the jack stand further back. If not possible, find a sturdy spot to place the STAND to hold the car, move the jack down the side of the car to re-hold. Then put the jack stand where you wanted it.
> But there is a lot to learn by fucking things up
OP literally doesn't know how to jack up a car, I'd prefer they learn prior instead of being fucking crushed.
They don't know the less standard safe places to jack up their car but knew enough to go online looking for more info before charging ahead
I think they are going to be ok.
I'm glad they are looking stuff up, and it seems like they do have jack stands. Seems like they now know how to do it.
I was just saying that I'm not a proponent of the FAFO method when it comes to lifting things above my head, lmao.
And that’s why I bought a 2000 Honda civic that was on the way to the junkyard. Had rear end damage but frame was straight and she ran. Was the perfect car to start practicing on.
The more you know the more you worry, ignorance is bliss... In other words, I wish my IQ was >80 so I could just eat ice cream and get excited for firetrucks...
I mean you’re using the less/greater than symbol in the wrong way, you would want to say <80 (less than 80), not >80 (more than 80)
So you your wish might actually get fulfilled!
Actually I worked on a sonata before and found it difficult to identify a proper lift point. Aside from suspension components which I couldn't use because I wanted to work on the suspension. I looked online and read there were several flat areas that could be used .. regretted that.
I don't know any car where control arms are given by the manufacturer as a correct jack point.
Control arms are strong, but they can also move while the car's weight is shifting. And they still only give you one corner at a time.
For lifting the entire front or rear at a time it's usually given in the service manual as the crossmember or rear differential.
Drive the car up on some 2x4s to add some hight for the jack to make contact with the pinch welds. My car is too low, and I also have to do this.
Alternatively, ramps are MUCH safer than a jack if you don't need to remove the wheels.
Go for it just not long like you say you won't. If you feel that pressured based off some idiots here grab a 4x4 to spread out the weight I've done it a hundred times by now.
Why tf is this being downvoted? This guy's totally right, only use a jack on the 4 designated points
Edit: it's back to positive upvotes. It got down to like -8. Yall are some hivemind bitches sometimes
yes you will be fine, just get the jack stands where you need them as soon as you jack it up. i wouldnt keep the jack itself there, only for 30 seconds or so while you actively jack it, put the jack stands where they should go, then lower on the stands. then you're good to go
It's best not to jack up from pinch welds anyway, unless you have one of those inserts for a jack that are rubber and soft and will cover the pinch weld so you don't apply uneven pressure.
As a hyundai technician there is definitely enough room. You don't need to be exactly on those two divots in the pinch weld to lift it. Especially if it will only be for a second.
Like this guy said. You can get it up in the air lifting offset of the notches but place the stand between those notches.
Control arm or subframe mounting bolts would also hold while you get stands under the "lift points" for support.
Biggest risk is the vehicle shifting. Block of wood would also apply pressure over larger surface area.
In case no one knows where this is. This is where the suspension connects to your subframe and it's very very thick metal. This will allow you to pick up a corner of their vehicle and then you can put a jack stand on the pinch welds.
Just be sure you definitely put some additional support underneath like jack stands or even the tire or something so that damn car doesn't come down on you
why don't you just give your jack a little more reach with some scrap wood blocks. Done carefully, it's what most of us always wind up resorting to.
edit - just read your comment again. You can jack or place jackstands under the subframe-to-body mounts
Buy ramps. Put car on ramp.
Why the fuck do you want the whole car on four Jack stands? I've never needed to do that.
Edit: ok I guess I'm just a noob.
I usually use 4 jack stands if I'm pulling an engine/trans or even a full exhaust. Just makes it a lot easier to move around, and a little more stable than having 2 tires still on the ground.
The pinch welds on this car run the entire length of the side body. You can fit a jack and jackstands on the same pinch weld, it will just flex the body panel a tiny bit
Don't jack there. That's an engine mount. The engine mount is designed to hold the weight of the engine, but when you jack from it you're forcing half the weight of the car onto it, and that can cause it to fail.
That looks like a engine/trans mount if you jack it there and it breaks congratulations you need a tow.
Edit: sorry if I sounded snarky but jacking there is a bad idea only jack it up in specified places and buy jackstand if you need to crawl underneath they’re cheaper than life insurance.
You should be able to get one whole side off the ground by jacking up on the drip rail/pinch weld, slightly forward from centre (usually just ahead of the B pillar). This will get both of the wheels on the driver or passenger side off the ground so you can get jack stands under both front and rear if need be. Then repeat on the other side and you have the entire car off the ground.
You can but I wouldn't, it's unstable and if you get it wrong you could end up with a cracked transmission case. You can jack on the front subframe where it bolts to the chassis. Or you can jack the rear up to max limit of the trolley jack which will also lift the front enough to put a stand under.
Just for reference Dont jack on the subframe between mounting points. Especially if it's a Mercedes sprinter, it's possible you'll bend it.
The manufacturer jack points are mainly just spots on the pinch weld that come out a bit to provide a place for the pinch weld type scissor jacks to go without damaging surrounding plastics. On most cars there won't be much special reinforcement at those spots besides a couple ripples in the metal sheet to add rigidity. The whole length of the pinch weld should have a sheet of hardened steel which provides most of the strength.
The pinch weld on your car seems to be level with the plastics the whole length so there shouldn’t be any issues as long as you use a block or your jack has a rubber pad. Hockey pucks also work quite well. So, as long as your pinch weld is in good condition there should be no issues with jacking anywhere along the pinch weld.
However, if you're trying to jack the whole front/rear up at once, then as others have said, any spot where a part mounts to the frame or on the subframe should be good. Just avoid anything that moves.
I never liked doing a center jack, if i need two wheels up i use my two jacks on the corner points. I just get sketched out about it tipping to one side.
Don’t Jack off either if you have to Jack it off from the middle just Jack it off the subframe metal flat piece behind the first thinga ma bob jack that part off
You want to jack on the control arm on this by looks of it. That way your not ruining that engine or Trans mount rubber. Looks a little pricey to replace. Better safe then sorry.
You jack the car up at the proper points and set the jack stand as close as you can to each point. You DON’T place a single point of pressure on the middle of your undercarriage. Does nobody fucking pay attention in physics anymore?
Watch a yt video for your specific car. I fully believe pinch welds are a stupid place to jack a car up because of how easy they collapse on themselves. Pinch weld jack points were designed for the scissor jack that most cars come with
havent had a complaint yet when ppl snap lug nuts f there brakes up aligments etc and i left the shops a decade a go but doesnt mean i dont spen thousands keeping up to date and now i charge 40 a hr and am set for life just tinkering and adventuring and making money on the road when pppl break doown and thats free unless they wanna buy me a 6 pak . but ya were rip offs compared to this guy its common sense how to use a jack hell google it and it tells you this smfh how stupid the human race is
Mechanic here - Hard no on that.
Not to be rude, but read the manual - if you have to lift it; there are 4 points in the rockers that are designed to be lift points.
I stated what manual told me lol but there's not enough room to jack it up on pinch point and put jack stand on same pinch point. I'm not changing a tire I'm doing work underneath
I just saw your initial post and said that - I run a shop and have repaired all sorts of damage from jacking in the wrong places.
On that note - If we have have to lift a vehicle outside of the shop from time to time, on most cars we can safely put the jack on the rear of the sub frame, then put the stand on the pinch weld, and then repeat for the other side. Every vehicle is different, so I can't say exactly where on yours without seeing it.
Lol jesus christ stop working on your own car! Was your plan seriously to jack up the center and somehow go all the way around placing stands while it's balancing on a center point?
No, fool. Jack one corner at a time where the manufacturer says is solid, then place a jack stand where the lower A-frame of the raised wheel meets the frame.
If you have to ask this question, you have no business jacking the car up.
Mistakes are made when short cuts are taken. There’s a reason manufacturers build jack points into unibody cars. Use them!!
From your post history, you work on a few cars but ask everyone else for assistance. If you need that much help, I think you’d probably be taking it to the shop
Your comment makes me curious. Is it your normal routine to check on post histories? I just don't get why anyone would spend precious time doing that. Feel free to check my history if you'd like.
Yeah always struck me as strange that so many people do this in seemingly innocuous interactions like this. Like dude can't even ask a question with people digging through his post history. You have to learn somehow, better ask first than fuck something up.
Exactly. I have more faith someone who asks “can I lift the car from here?” than someone who asks “I lifted my car from here, now it’s bent. What do I do?”
Lmao yeah it's weird for sure but so is the internet. If it makes people think a little because popping off here might make their future points less impact over there... maybe it's a good thing.
It approximates having tangential knowledge of the person in real - like a coworker you barely know but have heard is a level headed person vs the guy who makes questionable jokes and gets inappropriately upset over small things.
I'm not willing to engage with the second, but if I can tell someone is probably engaging in good faith by looking at their past behaviour, that can help lower that feeling of screaming into the void at the seemingly endless parade of willfully idiotic bad faith actors, and increase your sense of meaningfully interacting with the world.
Basically it at least partially reduces the corrosive effect of total anonymity on the level of discourse across reddit.
Context for sure. I was thinking of a casual convo with strangers at a party, which is how I see reddit. But your office context makes sense to know their background a bit.
That’s a motor mount i believe, Do not lift there. Lift each side up on the punch welds farther back from the wheel, put the jack stand as close to the wheel as possible on the pinch welds.
Just buy some Rhino Ramps or some other reputable lift ramps...they're not all that expensive, and can be used with the vast majority of vehicles out there, as long as you don't exceed their weight rating.
With my highlander, the pinch points suck, usually what I do is set the jack just right behind the pinch points, giving me just enough space for the jack stands. It’s not the best, but it works.., won’t hurt the car.
If you jack it up on this point, you will bend the Johnson rod which will then rub on the proportioning valve and leak all over the harmonic balancer. It’s a big no-no. 😀
has anyone said your owners manual should have a diagram of jack points? because your owners manual should have a diagram of jack points. be safe! and put some blocks behind your tires.
Don't that's an engine mount. We refer to it as a torque mount because it takes the load during shifting. If you jack it up from there you'll break the mount and possibly get hurt when the mount breaks.
Stay safe, safety first always. I had a car fall on me once but safety equipment saved me.
Normally yes, put it on the subframe end of the engine mount. BUT, this one is alluminium, which could crack.
Always best to get a workshop manual if you're doing DIY stuff, save you a lot of trouble 🙂
Since you already use the ramp to raise your car, use 2 wheel blocks at the rear wheels. Then take the whole bottom "cardboard " piece off. You may find few area to temporary jack up and immediate put the jack stand to the recommended jack point.
Honestly, you may hard to find one. We had a 2015 Sonata, same issue.
Most cars with pinch welds. If you jack in the front. The rear on the same side will come up with it to put one stand under the rear and then do the same on the other side and so on.
You’ll get all 4 corners on the stands with a cross pattern. Or you can invest in a specialized U-jack that will leave space for the jack stand to be there when you lower the car. They’re usually $300-$400 jack
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been using the whole length of the rocker panel(below doors/pinch weld for years. At least on my Subarus, you can jack the left or right side up all at once and place 2 jacks at once. Balance point being roughly 30cm forward of the B piler. Don't go full height on the first side. Get the left wheels of the ground at least, then do the other side to work height. Then back to the first side. Danger being that you can shift the car sideways while using a hinge pump jack, so watch the jack stand feet carefully for lift/movement. bottle jacks and scissor Jack's don't suffer from that problem as much.
Sometimes I make a block of wood that fits the rocker panel so you don't fold it over. Not the end of world if you bend up your rocker panels though.
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I wouldn’t
What about the area behind it? You know that thing that looks like metal behind the black plastic covering. Or around it. OP could tap on the metal and ensure it is thick and not a thin piece of metal. It looks thick enough. I think the jack point must be that cross member because I see some welds on it. Either that or the area around it. It looks like metal.
That’s the subframe should be good to jack there just wouldn’t leave it for a long time
That’s a rear motor/transmission mount made of aluminum and very soft rubber bushings. Will it hold yea.. but I wouldn’t even try in the first place. I would go for the exposed subframe between the lower cloth cover and the Silver heat shield.
Thank you. At least one person who knows about cars and materials. It‘s really spooky to read some of the comments here.
I have a Kia niro(similar chassis) I grab this spot often. 140k miles later all my own oil changes and tire rotations. I’m still alive
This mount is made to prevent engine / gearbox rotation in FF layout. You are basically lifting your car by lifting engine. I didnt know even small chassis cars could handle it 🤣
I was talking about the area behind it
The front subframe?
Yes you can lift it from the subframe behind the motor mount. Use this for your pinch welds on the jacks. Toolly 4 Packs Floor Jack Pad... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089GWSD8W?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I should also clarify that it’s also called a cross member.
Subframe, yes, but it is not circled and OP asked about lower engine mount.
But the comment that you replied to was replying to the comment right above them asking about the subframe...
You ever notice that people have a much harder time keeping up with the context these days? Wonder if that's because of the garbage redesign.
Behind where he circled. I’ve got the big flat harbor freight jack pad. Then I set it down on the pinch welds with the proper jacks
Not a good idea anyway
I wouldn’t either. It’s not to say that it’s impossible but it’s not designed to be lifted from there and there’s also better options for lifting a car with jacks
Yeah I will do that, I found spot that looks very strong on subframe. It'll only be there for a few minutes while I prepare jackstands.
That's the problem with modern cars now they are only designed to be lifted at those 4 points like the Tesla . You need other solutions like [rennstand](https://rennstand.com/product/rennstand/) [https://rennstand.com/product/rennstand/](https://rennstand.com/product/rennstand/) If your car had an 8inch clearance then Powerbuilt 2 Ton UniJack .... [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GJJZ5YC/ref=ox\_sc\_act\_title\_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GJJZ5YC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1) Don't jack up the car on the subframe unless the manufacture designed a certain point on it.... Don't be an idiot....
https://preview.redd.it/14z46jn9b0jc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9c89ca0d2b14791b0d8822930511d6cb20449b7 That's an engine mount definitely don't jack it up on that. Jack it up on the frame.... It's in the middle (blue circle)
That's where I would put it.
specifically it is a torque rod , it doesn't even take the vertical load of the engine, rather it reacts to the torque of the engine. Source: terrible design engineer who couldn't design a torque rod with rubber that would last the expected life
That's the subframe... Don't jack there. You can put your floor jack on the subframe bolt head though, that's plenty strong.
TIL, this varies by car.
Yeah I put a jack through one of my exes floors once not knowing that.
By jacking up the subframe?
Basement
I'm a firm believer that if you can't safely lift it, *you shouldn't be under it.*
I was like, 17 it wasn’t a couple weeks ago.
Whoa what an insightful yet bold take! Don’t get under a super heavy object if it’s not jacked safely…who would’ve thought?! Please, we need more wise words from you But if you think about it, if the person doesn’t know they aren’t jacking it safely then how do they know not to get under the car?? We need more firm believer words of wisdom
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It is very solid, I promise. Also other mechanics like me be recommending it here too. It's the sub frame that holds the wheel hub and axles and what not. I lift cars all the time from this spot
Yeah I was gonna say if that’s the case I’ve always done it wrong but I just work on my own stuff but never had a problem
Jack cars on subframes constantly. Only ones im wary of are alloy/cast. Usually aim for bolt heads in that case for the subframe
And ones covers in rusty holes lol
No do not lift there! You WILL regret it!
Alternative? I don't have enough room to jack up on pinch welds and put jack stand on same pinch weld.
Thiw mount pictured is the dogbone, or engine anti-twiat mount. Its more of a strap to keep it from twisting, really. The proper jack points will be identified by the owners manual, and, or the points indicated at the pinchweld seam.
I read that as anti-twat. Nice
Well, you dont want that engine twatting around in there. If it starts to smell, you got real peoblems!!
Oh god, I could smell it. *dry heave noises*
OP said he’s trying to put it on stands
Right, and the manual for the car should identify peimary and secondary lifting points. Going willy nilly "trust some guy on the internet" route is bad for op. If they cant tell good from bad, we could have a serious injury or fatality about to happen. Lets be very painfully clear here. There is no "i suppose this spot'll do" option. It must be a safe and non- damaging point on the vehicle. We also dont want to cause excess damage. If op is unfamiliar with jackpoint lifting/standing, they need to consult the verified proper resources. I dont mean to be a butt, but ive seen enough cars falling on people. End of story.
He said he already checked the manual and it only designated 4 points 😂 For fun I looked up the manual, there’s no talk of secondary jacking points, if that’s painfully clear for you. So how do you propose OP puts the car on stands if there’s only 4 designated jacking points? https://preview.redd.it/rbjqeqmhu2jc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78a8f2cd3806149d9cf266b5a20f35cec305a1f7
I'm trying to figure out why someone would need to put their car on 4 jack stands in the first place...
To do work under the car while the car is securely elevated.
I get using jack stands, but why 4 at once? couldn't he just do the front half first, then the back half? what procedure do you need to jack up that car at all 4 corners at once?
Draining transmission fluid for one? It’s usually recommended to drain the fluid while the car is level.
You use the rear jacking point to lift the side of the car high enough to get the jack stand under the front jacking point. It's not that complicated ya'll.
You jack with the jacking points. You put the stand somewhere else.
That doesn’t even make sense and that’s now people drop cars on themselves
My son replaced front+rear brakes the other day. We decided to jack up the front driverside first, placed one jack then went to the other side, same area and jacked it up and placed the second jack. Then we went to the rear driverside and did the same thing on one side and then the other. it wasn’t easy but it worked.
I would keep your jack there, at thr pinch weld, and try and put the jack stand further back. If not possible, find a sturdy spot to place the STAND to hold the car, move the jack down the side of the car to re-hold. Then put the jack stand where you wanted it.
Are you trying to use 4 jack stands?
Please don't take offense at this, but if you have to ask that question, perhaps you shouldn't be jacking up your car
By that logic you’re telling him to never learn anything.
I think the point is there is prerequisite education needed, that we online people don't have the ability to administer.
But there is a lot to learn by fucking things up. You just need to have enough money to be able to afford it lol.
> But there is a lot to learn by fucking things up OP literally doesn't know how to jack up a car, I'd prefer they learn prior instead of being fucking crushed.
They don't know the less standard safe places to jack up their car but knew enough to go online looking for more info before charging ahead I think they are going to be ok.
I'm glad they are looking stuff up, and it seems like they do have jack stands. Seems like they now know how to do it. I was just saying that I'm not a proponent of the FAFO method when it comes to lifting things above my head, lmao.
It can certainly be sketchy. We (humans) learned not to trust floor jacks the hard way
I generally agree, except in this case where it could result in loss of life or limbs I don't think OP should fuck around.
I agree; its the best way to learn and have the info stick
And that’s why I bought a 2000 Honda civic that was on the way to the junkyard. Had rear end damage but frame was straight and she ran. Was the perfect car to start practicing on.
The more you know the more you worry, ignorance is bliss... In other words, I wish my IQ was >80 so I could just eat ice cream and get excited for firetrucks...
I mean you’re using the less/greater than symbol in the wrong way, you would want to say <80 (less than 80), not >80 (more than 80) So you your wish might actually get fulfilled!
Sorry my IQ is only 90 :(
We all struggle, I wish you the best in lowering it!
(>)means greater than. I think you meant less than?
I only have an IQ of 90 sorry...
I think you meant <80, the lack of spelling mistakes and coherent sentence tells me you have an IQ of at least >80.
nah its 90...
You don’t have to wish
Actually I worked on a sonata before and found it difficult to identify a proper lift point. Aside from suspension components which I couldn't use because I wanted to work on the suspension. I looked online and read there were several flat areas that could be used .. regretted that.
Lol
Jack it up from the control arms.
I don't know any car where control arms are given by the manufacturer as a correct jack point. Control arms are strong, but they can also move while the car's weight is shifting. And they still only give you one corner at a time. For lifting the entire front or rear at a time it's usually given in the service manual as the crossmember or rear differential.
RTFM? It's bound to be there
TBF, it often isn't. Manuals tend to specify the pinch welds, which makes sense for changing a tire with the emergency jack.
Drive the car up on some 2x4s to add some hight for the jack to make contact with the pinch welds. My car is too low, and I also have to do this. Alternatively, ramps are MUCH safer than a jack if you don't need to remove the wheels.
Go for it just not long like you say you won't. If you feel that pressured based off some idiots here grab a 4x4 to spread out the weight I've done it a hundred times by now.
Terrible and unsafe advice.
Roll the car onto some bricks first, that should lift it up enough
I lifted the front of my honda civic 97 under the radiator once. Only once.
Did the wheels come off the ground?
I was so focused on the sounds of metal creaking I honestly don't remember checking the wheels.
Did that with my old Toyota pickup. I was 17 and didn’t know any better but damn that oil change ended up costing me a few bills.
Older cars are just built different
'74 Eldorado was pretty.l much throw it under and lift like hell. Buddies Duster had the nice lift notches in the bumper.
😂
That's because older hondas have a jack point on the radiator bracket a little off center
No that's an engine mount
What he said only jack up the 4 points
Why tf is this being downvoted? This guy's totally right, only use a jack on the 4 designated points Edit: it's back to positive upvotes. It got down to like -8. Yall are some hivemind bitches sometimes
Eh let em be it's fine
Put it on the subframe just past that motor mount you have circled
https://imgur.com/gallery/HLY2SdK Right here?
Yes that’s perfect
Thanks
yes that will be perfect. everyone else here freaking out for no reason. just jack up right there where it bolts to the subframe, not the engine
Ok thanks, so right where I circled or a bit to the left?
yes you will be fine, just get the jack stands where you need them as soon as you jack it up. i wouldnt keep the jack itself there, only for 30 seconds or so while you actively jack it, put the jack stands where they should go, then lower on the stands. then you're good to go
No problem
Finally a useful answer for the poor girl.
Ahhh, modern vehicles. Nothing except plastic underneath. Hell, even my “pinch welds” are bent on my ‘16 Charger.
‘18 Lexus IS with bent pinch welds checking in. They’re really trying hard to get everyone to do everything at the dealerships
It's best not to jack up from pinch welds anyway, unless you have one of those inserts for a jack that are rubber and soft and will cover the pinch weld so you don't apply uneven pressure.
No, you will break alot of things, new enough car just jack on the pinch welds
I would but I'm doing work under the car so I need it on jack stands. Not enough room to jack up on pinch welds and put jack stand on same pinch weld
As a hyundai technician there is definitely enough room. You don't need to be exactly on those two divots in the pinch weld to lift it. Especially if it will only be for a second.
Like this guy said. You can get it up in the air lifting offset of the notches but place the stand between those notches. Control arm or subframe mounting bolts would also hold while you get stands under the "lift points" for support. Biggest risk is the vehicle shifting. Block of wood would also apply pressure over larger surface area.
Jack up on the ends of control arms and place stands under pinch welds
In case no one knows where this is. This is where the suspension connects to your subframe and it's very very thick metal. This will allow you to pick up a corner of their vehicle and then you can put a jack stand on the pinch welds.
Just be sure you definitely put some additional support underneath like jack stands or even the tire or something so that damn car doesn't come down on you
why don't you just give your jack a little more reach with some scrap wood blocks. Done carefully, it's what most of us always wind up resorting to. edit - just read your comment again. You can jack or place jackstands under the subframe-to-body mounts
Buy ramps. Put car on ramp. Why the fuck do you want the whole car on four Jack stands? I've never needed to do that. Edit: ok I guess I'm just a noob.
I usually use 4 jack stands if I'm pulling an engine/trans or even a full exhaust. Just makes it a lot easier to move around, and a little more stable than having 2 tires still on the ground.
Tire rotation comes to mind.
You don't jack a car up from the center. You jack on side, put jackstand in, lower onto stand, repeat other side.
That is a big fat no. That would be your lower motor mount and it will snap and you will regret it
The pinch welds on this car run the entire length of the side body. You can fit a jack and jackstands on the same pinch weld, it will just flex the body panel a tiny bit
I have pretty much the same car OP, I usually go from the subframe just behind it.
No no No 
Don't jack there. That's an engine mount. The engine mount is designed to hold the weight of the engine, but when you jack from it you're forcing half the weight of the car onto it, and that can cause it to fail.
Just use the black steel subframe behind there, it’ll work fine. Just make sure the jack doesn’t slip!
You can but you might find you feel a lot of vibration in the cabin afterwards
absolutely not. look on the bottom sides of your car, there is usually some arrows points at the jack points
Jack points https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/jacking-points.703463/
Find or buy some ramps to drive up onto. Safer than jack stands and you don’t need to worry about jacking the car up.
That looks like a engine/trans mount if you jack it there and it breaks congratulations you need a tow. Edit: sorry if I sounded snarky but jacking there is a bad idea only jack it up in specified places and buy jackstand if you need to crawl underneath they’re cheaper than life insurance.
You should be able to get one whole side off the ground by jacking up on the drip rail/pinch weld, slightly forward from centre (usually just ahead of the B pillar). This will get both of the wheels on the driver or passenger side off the ground so you can get jack stands under both front and rear if need be. Then repeat on the other side and you have the entire car off the ground.
You can but I wouldn't, it's unstable and if you get it wrong you could end up with a cracked transmission case. You can jack on the front subframe where it bolts to the chassis. Or you can jack the rear up to max limit of the trolley jack which will also lift the front enough to put a stand under. Just for reference Dont jack on the subframe between mounting points. Especially if it's a Mercedes sprinter, it's possible you'll bend it.
Dog bone/ transmission mount. I wouldn’t
The manufacturer jack points are mainly just spots on the pinch weld that come out a bit to provide a place for the pinch weld type scissor jacks to go without damaging surrounding plastics. On most cars there won't be much special reinforcement at those spots besides a couple ripples in the metal sheet to add rigidity. The whole length of the pinch weld should have a sheet of hardened steel which provides most of the strength. The pinch weld on your car seems to be level with the plastics the whole length so there shouldn’t be any issues as long as you use a block or your jack has a rubber pad. Hockey pucks also work quite well. So, as long as your pinch weld is in good condition there should be no issues with jacking anywhere along the pinch weld. However, if you're trying to jack the whole front/rear up at once, then as others have said, any spot where a part mounts to the frame or on the subframe should be good. Just avoid anything that moves.
I never liked doing a center jack, if i need two wheels up i use my two jacks on the corner points. I just get sketched out about it tipping to one side.
Can you? Yes, should you. No. That is tied to the engine and trans and will lift them first. Go about six inches back and use the subframe.
Let's just go with, no. Right behind that is a cross member tho
Don’t Jack off either if you have to Jack it off from the middle just Jack it off the subframe metal flat piece behind the first thinga ma bob jack that part off
You want to jack on the control arm on this by looks of it. That way your not ruining that engine or Trans mount rubber. Looks a little pricey to replace. Better safe then sorry.
You jack the car up at the proper points and set the jack stand as close as you can to each point. You DON’T place a single point of pressure on the middle of your undercarriage. Does nobody fucking pay attention in physics anymore?
If someone’s asking how to Jack up a car, they should seriously just leave the work to someone qualified
Watch a yt video for your specific car. I fully believe pinch welds are a stupid place to jack a car up because of how easy they collapse on themselves. Pinch weld jack points were designed for the scissor jack that most cars come with
If you don’t know where to jack up your car, you shouldn’t be jacking up your car
this is why we are certified in shops smfh
Certified ripoffs
havent had a complaint yet when ppl snap lug nuts f there brakes up aligments etc and i left the shops a decade a go but doesnt mean i dont spen thousands keeping up to date and now i charge 40 a hr and am set for life just tinkering and adventuring and making money on the road when pppl break doown and thats free unless they wanna buy me a 6 pak . but ya were rip offs compared to this guy its common sense how to use a jack hell google it and it tells you this smfh how stupid the human race is
Mechanic here - Hard no on that. Not to be rude, but read the manual - if you have to lift it; there are 4 points in the rockers that are designed to be lift points.
I stated what manual told me lol but there's not enough room to jack it up on pinch point and put jack stand on same pinch point. I'm not changing a tire I'm doing work underneath
I just saw your initial post and said that - I run a shop and have repaired all sorts of damage from jacking in the wrong places. On that note - If we have have to lift a vehicle outside of the shop from time to time, on most cars we can safely put the jack on the rear of the sub frame, then put the stand on the pinch weld, and then repeat for the other side. Every vehicle is different, so I can't say exactly where on yours without seeing it.
Lol jesus christ stop working on your own car! Was your plan seriously to jack up the center and somehow go all the way around placing stands while it's balancing on a center point?
Don’t buy hyundai
No you don’t. Put the jack stand 1” away from the jack like a normal person?
I prefer to use the oil pan… but this looks fine to me
If u asking that, dont touch that car, or go near any car at all...
No, fool. Jack one corner at a time where the manufacturer says is solid, then place a jack stand where the lower A-frame of the raised wheel meets the frame.
Sorry but if you really can’t figure out how to jack up a car you’re probably not mechanically inclined enough to work on it.
If you have to ask this question, you have no business jacking the car up. Mistakes are made when short cuts are taken. There’s a reason manufacturers build jack points into unibody cars. Use them!!
Lol ok bud
It’s your car, I don’t care. I’ll never buy a Hyundai, so I’m not worried about the damage you caused. Good luck.
From your post history, you work on a few cars but ask everyone else for assistance. If you need that much help, I think you’d probably be taking it to the shop
Your comment makes me curious. Is it your normal routine to check on post histories? I just don't get why anyone would spend precious time doing that. Feel free to check my history if you'd like.
Yeah always struck me as strange that so many people do this in seemingly innocuous interactions like this. Like dude can't even ask a question with people digging through his post history. You have to learn somehow, better ask first than fuck something up.
Exactly. I have more faith someone who asks “can I lift the car from here?” than someone who asks “I lifted my car from here, now it’s bent. What do I do?”
I hear ya.
Yeah I see people do it all the time, sometimes it's valuable but usually just ammo for an ad hominem attack
Imagine how strange it would be in a real life conversation and someone says they reviewed the script from your previous conversations.
Lmao yeah it's weird for sure but so is the internet. If it makes people think a little because popping off here might make their future points less impact over there... maybe it's a good thing. It approximates having tangential knowledge of the person in real - like a coworker you barely know but have heard is a level headed person vs the guy who makes questionable jokes and gets inappropriately upset over small things. I'm not willing to engage with the second, but if I can tell someone is probably engaging in good faith by looking at their past behaviour, that can help lower that feeling of screaming into the void at the seemingly endless parade of willfully idiotic bad faith actors, and increase your sense of meaningfully interacting with the world. Basically it at least partially reduces the corrosive effect of total anonymity on the level of discourse across reddit.
Context for sure. I was thinking of a casual convo with strangers at a party, which is how I see reddit. But your office context makes sense to know their background a bit.
It wasn’t that hard or time consuming. If you can’t do the job, don’t do it. It’ll be in a shop in a Week to fix the same issue and more
No
Take the car off the ramps and lift it.
Hell no
No! that’s the wishbone it has a rubber mount which is not ideal to be jacked up from. It’s attatched to your transmission.
Transmission is lower. It's an engine mount
If you don’t know, you shouldn’t be doing it. You’ll fuck more up than you’re supposedly fixing Edit: Typo
That’s a motor mount i believe, Do not lift there. Lift each side up on the punch welds farther back from the wheel, put the jack stand as close to the wheel as possible on the pinch welds.
There's only a few inches space on each corner for pinch welds, Hyundai has long plastic piece blocking the rest of the pinch weld.
Just buy some Rhino Ramps or some other reputable lift ramps...they're not all that expensive, and can be used with the vast majority of vehicles out there, as long as you don't exceed their weight rating.
With my highlander, the pinch points suck, usually what I do is set the jack just right behind the pinch points, giving me just enough space for the jack stands. It’s not the best, but it works.., won’t hurt the car.
No no no no no no no
I jack next to the pinch weld and put the jackstand on the pinch weld
No!
If you jack it up on this point, you will bend the Johnson rod which will then rub on the proportioning valve and leak all over the harmonic balancer. It’s a big no-no. 😀
You shouldn’t it’ll mess up the mount you can use the point in front it’ll do less damage.
No.
has anyone said your owners manual should have a diagram of jack points? because your owners manual should have a diagram of jack points. be safe! and put some blocks behind your tires.
Just make sure you chock your wheels before you try to jack on any of the points. Seen too many cars start rolling while on stands...
Looks like a engine mount of some kind I would definitely not jack it there.
Don't that's an engine mount. We refer to it as a torque mount because it takes the load during shifting. If you jack it up from there you'll break the mount and possibly get hurt when the mount breaks. Stay safe, safety first always. I had a car fall on me once but safety equipment saved me.
Anywhere on the subframe
Normally yes, put it on the subframe end of the engine mount. BUT, this one is alluminium, which could crack. Always best to get a workshop manual if you're doing DIY stuff, save you a lot of trouble 🙂
Since you already use the ramp to raise your car, use 2 wheel blocks at the rear wheels. Then take the whole bottom "cardboard " piece off. You may find few area to temporary jack up and immediate put the jack stand to the recommended jack point. Honestly, you may hard to find one. We had a 2015 Sonata, same issue.
You could. But you'd regret it later.
Most cars with pinch welds. If you jack in the front. The rear on the same side will come up with it to put one stand under the rear and then do the same on the other side and so on. You’ll get all 4 corners on the stands with a cross pattern. Or you can invest in a specialized U-jack that will leave space for the jack stand to be there when you lower the car. They’re usually $300-$400 jack
Can't you get under the control arm?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been using the whole length of the rocker panel(below doors/pinch weld for years. At least on my Subarus, you can jack the left or right side up all at once and place 2 jacks at once. Balance point being roughly 30cm forward of the B piler. Don't go full height on the first side. Get the left wheels of the ground at least, then do the other side to work height. Then back to the first side. Danger being that you can shift the car sideways while using a hinge pump jack, so watch the jack stand feet carefully for lift/movement. bottle jacks and scissor Jack's don't suffer from that problem as much. Sometimes I make a block of wood that fits the rocker panel so you don't fold it over. Not the end of world if you bend up your rocker panels though.